WEBVTT 00:00:03.666 --> 00:00:07.793 Welcome to the Meet Hope podcast, where we have conversations about faith and hope. 00:00:07.793 --> 00:00:14.512 Hope is one church made of people living out their faith through two expressions in person and online. 00:00:14.512 --> 00:00:21.545 We believe a hybrid faith experience can lead to a growing influence in our community and our world for the sake of others. 00:00:21.545 --> 00:00:30.236 Welcome to Hope our world for the sake of others. 00:00:30.416 --> 00:00:30.996 Welcome to Hope. 00:00:30.996 --> 00:00:36.162 Hello listeners, we are so glad to be in your ears today. 00:00:36.162 --> 00:00:41.353 Today's episode is the last of a four-part series we've been doing about Hope's capital campaign for 2025, called Hope in Motion. 00:00:41.353 --> 00:00:44.244 If you haven't listened to all of them, please go back and do so. 00:00:44.244 --> 00:01:05.932 Each one is informative in terms of what each part of the campaign entails, but also gives you an opportunity to hear from our incredible team of leaders here at Hope who do their very best each day to make church welcoming, accessible, fun, inspirational and meaningful to every person who comes in the front door or finds us online. 00:01:05.932 --> 00:01:15.887 Today, we are excited to share with you that, because of your generosity, we are halfway towards our goal of $125,000. 00:01:15.887 --> 00:01:19.674 And the campaign has only been live for a little over a month. 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:28.135 We're encouraged and inspired by this community's desire to see hope in motion for generations to come, locally and globally. 00:01:28.135 --> 00:01:33.753 If you have not already done so, now would be the perfect time to give to Hope in Motion. 00:01:33.753 --> 00:01:41.013 Pastor Jeff has specifically asked the Hope community to consider giving 10% more than your regular giving this year. 00:01:41.013 --> 00:01:50.591 We also know that that is not possible for every individual or family, but please know that every gift matters and that no amount is too small To give. 00:01:50.591 --> 00:01:54.186 Go to meethopeorg slash motion and click the give button. 00:01:54.186 --> 00:02:04.444 You can also send your donation to HOPE at 700 Cooper Road, Voorhees, New Jersey, 08043, or, if you are in our lobby, drop your gift in one of our giving stations. 00:02:04.444 --> 00:02:10.967 Please be sure to include a note or memo that says Hope in Motion when you do so, so we know to include your gift in the campaign totals. 00:02:11.379 --> 00:02:21.111 As we listen to today's episode, know that even your decision to listen right now, to spend 20 minutes of your time connecting on this podcast, means something to this community. 00:02:21.111 --> 00:02:22.701 We are grateful for you. 00:02:22.701 --> 00:02:27.069 As a listener, as a community member, as a volunteer or any other way. 00:02:27.069 --> 00:02:28.032 You are a part of HOPE. 00:02:28.032 --> 00:02:34.532 Thanks for listening and now we hope you enjoy this conversation between Bruce Main of Urban Promise and Pastor Jeff. 00:02:36.580 --> 00:02:39.423 Hey friends, welcome to the Meet HOPE podcast. 00:02:39.423 --> 00:02:51.015 I'm Jeff Bills and I'll be hosting today and I am really excited to be here with our good friend, bruce Main from Urban Promise. 00:02:51.015 --> 00:02:51.997 Bruce, how are you? 00:02:51.997 --> 00:02:53.984 I'm great, jeff. 00:02:53.984 --> 00:02:54.907 How are you? 00:02:54.907 --> 00:02:59.183 Doing good? 00:02:59.183 --> 00:03:03.087 Doing good, if you've been around Hope for any time at all. 00:03:04.830 --> 00:03:14.879 We have a great relationship, have had a 35-year relationship with the good folks at Urban Promise in Camden. 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:19.632 We have seen volunteers work there. 00:03:19.632 --> 00:03:20.919 We've been contributors financially to the work. 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.580 They've been contributors financially to the work. 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:39.768 We've watched it and celebrated its growth from a ministry in the city of Camden alone to cities around the US and now international there's a UP international. 00:03:39.768 --> 00:03:42.329 So what a great story. 00:03:42.329 --> 00:03:51.211 And we're always excited, bruce, when you come and bring folks from your organization to Hope in January. 00:03:51.211 --> 00:03:55.954 But today we're talking about something very specific. 00:03:55.954 --> 00:04:05.837 So, as our listeners know, we are in a time right now where we're raising funds in a campaign. 00:04:05.837 --> 00:04:22.208 We're calling Hope in Motion and we have three priorities and one of the priorities is to help support Urban Promise International in the development of Longezu University in Malawi. 00:04:22.208 --> 00:04:30.380 And Bruce, you've told us that Langezu is a native word in Malawi for promise. 00:04:30.841 --> 00:04:43.288 So we'll call that Promise University, and so I just wanted our folks to get inside your thinking and the vision for this. 00:04:43.288 --> 00:04:55.874 So let me just begin by asking the obvious question how does a ministry in Camden end up involved in Malawi? 00:04:57.761 --> 00:04:59.843 Well, great, great question. 00:04:59.843 --> 00:05:06.175 You know, and I've shared this story before, but I'll I'll share it again Cause I think it's relevant. 00:05:06.175 --> 00:05:10.975 Uh, you know, we were pretty content with what we were doing here in the U? 00:05:10.975 --> 00:05:19.283 S and especially in Camden, you know, just trying to keep a, a local grassroots nonprofit, alive and growing here locally. 00:05:19.283 --> 00:05:23.192 Uh, was was, you know, plenty to handle? 00:05:23.601 --> 00:05:29.764 And uh, again, I was sitting in my office about 20 years ago, 19 years ago, and, you know, knock on a door. 00:05:29.764 --> 00:05:31.468 I look up, there's a young man. 00:05:31.468 --> 00:05:33.012 You know who are you? 00:05:33.012 --> 00:05:35.120 My name's william neasulu. 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.884 Okay, where are you from? 00:05:37.884 --> 00:05:38.766 Malawi? 00:05:38.766 --> 00:05:40.228 Uh, where's that? 00:05:41.468 --> 00:05:50.983 And uh, you know, he described that it was, you know, sort of the southeastern Sahara portion of the continent. 00:05:50.983 --> 00:05:54.591 And you know, and I was like, well, why are you here? 00:05:54.591 --> 00:05:56.862 And he said, well, I'm here to do my internship. 00:05:56.862 --> 00:05:59.646 And I'm like, well, did you apply? 00:05:59.646 --> 00:06:06.187 And he's no, I said, well, you know, I'm just curious, how did you end up in my office? 00:06:06.187 --> 00:06:13.244 And he, you know, he said I bumped into a friend of yours in South Africa at a Bible conference and he said go to New Jersey and meet Bruce. 00:06:14.586 --> 00:06:25.913 So anyway, long story short, you know, he starts an internship with us and a couple of months later comes into my office and says you know, we, we need this in malawi. 00:06:25.913 --> 00:06:33.961 Uh, and I, I said we'll put together a little proposal and, and you know, tell me what you want to do, how much it's going to cost. 00:06:33.961 --> 00:06:36.408 And so he comes back with this proposal. 00:06:36.408 --> 00:06:48.523 He wants to start a summer camp, after-school program and a little orphanage for boys, and know it's going to cost about $12,000 for the year and I'm like you can't do that for 12,000. 00:06:48.523 --> 00:06:58.889 And so we raise a little money and he goes back and he starts an organization called Youth Care Malawi. 00:07:00.052 --> 00:07:05.086 And about a year later I go over and I'm amazed at what this young man's done. 00:07:05.086 --> 00:07:10.333 You know he's got a summer camp of 350 kids and he's rented a house. 00:07:10.333 --> 00:07:17.771 He's got 12 boys that were living on the streets of the Capitol and now they're back in school and they're getting two meals a day. 00:07:17.771 --> 00:07:20.028 And you know they've got a safe place to sleep. 00:07:20.028 --> 00:07:24.310 And you know, and again he's doing all this on, you know, a couple hundred bucks a month. 00:07:24.310 --> 00:07:28.220 And you know, and again he's doing all this on, you know, a couple hundred bucks a month. 00:07:42.379 --> 00:07:46.653 So you know that Jeff just really kind of opened my eyes and said you know, why are we sending Westerners to Africa, to, you know, cost hundreds of thousands of dollars? 00:07:46.673 --> 00:08:00.127 send a family Missionaries that you're talking about, missionaries, yeah, and you know it's like, wow, we've got leaders in this country who, with a little training and a few resources, can, you know, really do something significant. 00:08:00.127 --> 00:08:09.649 So that opened the doors for this program we call the fellowship, where we bring young leaders from, started primarily with young leaders in Malawi and then it's expanded to other African countries. 00:08:09.649 --> 00:08:13.204 But they come, they spent two years with us in the US. 00:08:13.204 --> 00:08:26.754 We helped them get a master's degree in nonprofit leadership and during that two years they incubate and kind of, you know envision what they want to do when they go back, and it's been wildly successful. 00:08:26.754 --> 00:08:33.135 We've trained probably 150 now these fellows over the last, you know, 19 years. 00:08:33.135 --> 00:08:34.600 In Malawi alone. 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:58.591 They've gone back to start 13 independent ministries, and these are schools and women's empowerment programs, farms, medical clinics, orphanages all started by, you know, indigenous leaders, and so that's that's how a little ministry in Camden ends up in, you know, malawi. 00:08:58.899 --> 00:09:00.105 Sounds like a God thing right. 00:09:01.282 --> 00:09:02.547 It can't be anything else. 00:09:02.547 --> 00:09:05.990 I, you know like how, how does yeah I. 00:09:05.990 --> 00:09:19.465 I, you know like how, how does yeah, I mean you think about, I mean you've been a part of urban promise in Camden since the beginning and you think this, this little nonprofit, uh, now is reaching, you know, all across the globe. 00:09:19.745 --> 00:09:19.846 It's. 00:09:19.846 --> 00:09:32.386 It's such an amazing story and and such a God story and say enough about it, which is why we bring you every year to say more about it. 00:09:32.386 --> 00:09:37.279 So fast forward. 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:52.450 You now have these ministries in Malawi that are doing great things for young people and, as you've told the story, you have students graduating high school. 00:09:52.450 --> 00:10:17.471 You have students graduating high school, but there's no opportunity beyond that in Malawi because of the limited space in colleges and universities, and country from college or high schools that you, your fellows, have created, have no place to go. 00:10:17.471 --> 00:10:18.211 Is that right? 00:10:19.174 --> 00:10:21.182 Yeah, that's, you're spot on. 00:10:21.182 --> 00:10:26.297 We have seven high schools now in Malawi, I think. 00:10:26.297 --> 00:10:32.089 Collectively between them we're probably educating about 3,500 kids a day. 00:10:32.089 --> 00:10:37.501 We're about to add two new high schools, probably in the next year. 00:10:37.501 --> 00:10:39.970 I know one for sure is opening this September. 00:10:40.230 --> 00:11:08.969 So you know that number is going to increase and these are really good high schools, like they're graduating kids, and I think I heard recently from one of our leaders there there were 3,000 seats available for university across the country this year and the population of high school graduates in the country is somewhere north of 50,000. 00:11:08.969 --> 00:11:21.227 So you know the seats are limited and so we're graduating 700, 800 kids between our high schools each year and you know only a fraction of those will go on. 00:11:21.227 --> 00:11:29.316 So really felt like okay, you know, hey, it's great to get these kids to 12th grade, but then what? 00:11:29.316 --> 00:11:39.419 And a lot of these kids were going back to, you know, their villages, subsistence, farming, lives of real struggle and real poverty. 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:51.225 So it just seems natural and appropriate that the next step would be to create another opportunity for these young people. 00:11:53.386 --> 00:11:58.029 So let me ask just a practical question. 00:11:58.029 --> 00:12:05.472 It's a question that I know folks have, whether they voice it or not. 00:12:05.472 --> 00:12:29.589 I've heard from some folks as we've been raising this vision Aren't you concerned that the money that we're raising to build this university in Malawi is going to be taking funds from other ministries, whether it's in Malawi itself or in the US? 00:12:29.589 --> 00:12:34.187 So it's the question of are we overextending? 00:12:34.995 --> 00:12:39.988 Well, that's a great question and nobody feels that more than me, I'll bet. 00:12:39.988 --> 00:12:43.019 But let me give you an example. 00:12:43.019 --> 00:12:56.534 Okay, so when we started Urban Promise International, we actually incorporated it as an entity in 2009. 00:12:56.534 --> 00:13:09.210 Our first budget for UPI, the international portion, was $250,000 annually and about that time the budget of Camden Urban Promise was about $3.2 million. 00:13:09.210 --> 00:13:12.239 Okay, so that's in 2009. 00:13:12.239 --> 00:13:13.841 $3.2 million Okay, so that's in 2009. 00:13:13.841 --> 00:13:32.682 So, fast forward to today, you know 2024, the UPI budget, the international budget, we were about 3.2 million and Camden's budget is now like 5.1 million. 00:13:32.682 --> 00:13:36.187 So you know, again, like those are the numbers. 00:13:36.508 --> 00:13:39.672 That same question was being asked to me in 2009. 00:13:39.672 --> 00:13:44.123 Why are we starting an international branch? 00:13:44.123 --> 00:13:47.788 Isn't this going to cannibalize funding for Camden? 00:13:47.788 --> 00:13:50.658 It's done the exact opposite. 00:13:50.658 --> 00:13:51.701 You know it's. 00:13:51.701 --> 00:14:15.100 Both organizations have grown tremendously and I think there's a deeper kind of like there's resources out there, Jeff, yes, you know, like America is a wealthy country and there's a lot of, you know, wealth and there's a lot of good people that are looking for good things to give to, that are really making a difference, and so and people give to vision. 00:14:15.100 --> 00:14:27.437 You know people, and and not just vision, but also when they see results and they see organizations that are really fulfilling the mission that they're articulating. 00:14:27.437 --> 00:14:42.676 Um, people give and you know I I mean I I run into people that have a lot of money and they say you know, the hardest thing is to give it away because, like, like, I just don't know what to give it to. 00:14:43.037 --> 00:14:46.023 And so I want to give you my email address after this is over. 00:14:47.807 --> 00:14:51.282 So we're, you know we're, but you know, I mean, does that? 00:14:51.282 --> 00:14:53.126 Yeah, absolutely. 00:14:53.794 --> 00:15:00.729 It's you and I have talked about this over the years the abundance versus scarcity mindset. 00:15:00.729 --> 00:15:17.131 And so when people are convinced that there's a limited number of resources, and you know there's only so much to go around than you, hold on to what you have. 00:15:17.131 --> 00:15:39.105 But we know from Scripture and from a lot of experience that, to your point, when God is involved and people catch the vision, there are resources that we had no idea were available and were out there, and I'm absolutely convinced that's going to be true here as well. 00:15:40.315 --> 00:16:00.157 Yeah, you know one other thing too, jeff I find that a lot of people, you know, they want to give domestically and they want to help you know things that are happening in their own backyard, but they also they're also concerned about the world. 00:16:00.157 --> 00:16:11.942 And you know, uh, we have poverty in the U S, granted, but we also have poverty, and you know, in other countries, and and severe poverty, and so I think, you know, I I see this with churches, I see it with individuals. 00:16:11.942 --> 00:16:18.764 It's like, yeah, I want to do both, and it's not one or the other, and I think that's something that sometimes people miss. 00:16:19.216 --> 00:16:22.365 Let's talk about Langezou University. 00:16:22.365 --> 00:16:29.208 Can you describe for us the vision for Langezou when it's fully functioning? 00:16:29.208 --> 00:16:31.900 It's you know it's. 00:16:31.900 --> 00:16:34.528 The buildings are up and students are coming. 00:16:34.528 --> 00:16:37.943 What do you envision Longezu looking like? 00:16:38.765 --> 00:16:42.875 Yeah, well, a couple of things, you know. 00:16:42.875 --> 00:16:50.789 One is we want to create, you know, a top school, like a good school and a beautiful school. 00:16:50.789 --> 00:16:52.280 We want a beautiful campus. 00:16:52.280 --> 00:16:56.219 We've purchased 60 acres of land. 00:16:56.219 --> 00:16:58.784 We've already dug a couple of wells on that land. 00:16:58.784 --> 00:16:59.927 We're farming that land. 00:16:59.927 --> 00:17:03.059 Right now it sits just outside of the city. 00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:10.440 It looks at this beautiful mountain and so you know all the architecture is going to be sort of facing the mountain. 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:16.287 So it's, it's going to be beautiful and we want, you know, these kids, jeff, I mean they're coming from. 00:17:16.287 --> 00:17:26.590 I mean a lot of them live in, uh, you know, mud huts with no running water, no electricity. 00:17:26.590 --> 00:17:33.009 Uh, you know they're, they're coming out of real, you know real, impoverished. 00:17:33.009 --> 00:17:34.674 You know situations. 00:17:34.674 --> 00:17:52.628 So you know we want a place where young people can come and, you know, sleep well and eat well and have access to resources that kids with money have access to, kids with money have access to. 00:17:52.628 --> 00:17:56.991 So it's a Christian university, so that we want it to be. 00:18:02.454 --> 00:18:04.076 People have said, well, why don't you just everything's going online? 00:18:04.076 --> 00:18:06.118 Why don't you just make it an online school? 00:18:06.118 --> 00:18:12.446 And part of it, jeff, is again when kids are living in the conditions that they're living in. 00:18:12.446 --> 00:19:08.046 You know there's no light at night to study with, you know there's no reliable electricity or Internet, and so part of this is like bringing young people to a campus that not only develops them intellectually but also develops them spiritually and provides, you know, true formation of the whole person, and I think that that's growing middle class, which I think in impoverished developing countries, that's really critical, and so those kinds of things are the sorts of things that we hope to see at this school. 00:19:08.788 --> 00:19:12.281 That's pretty exciting and you've given me a sense of where we are now. 00:19:12.281 --> 00:19:20.454 So right now you've got land, you're beginning to develop some things on the land, some farming and wells and so forth. 00:19:20.454 --> 00:19:27.765 Do you have an idea of when you anticipate the first class to get started? 00:19:28.965 --> 00:19:30.347 Yeah, well, it depends who you talk to. 00:19:32.289 --> 00:19:32.990 Best case scenario. 00:19:33.714 --> 00:19:34.237 Yeah. 00:19:34.237 --> 00:19:36.424 So right now, two things. 00:19:36.424 --> 00:19:38.623 One is we look to break ground. 00:19:38.623 --> 00:19:43.186 We're hoping to break ground on the first buildings in April, this April, okay. 00:19:43.186 --> 00:19:55.090 So you know we've got enough money raised so far to build some classrooms and build a dorm and some other support facilities. 00:19:55.090 --> 00:20:14.589 So we need more money because we, you know, we want to build a dining commons and a student center and but our first sort of buildings are going to be, you know, again, classrooms, dormitory, laboratory and some other facilities. 00:20:15.490 --> 00:20:27.180 So the best case scenario is that if those get built, starting in April, that maybe we bring a freshman class on in September. 00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:29.645 That would be pretty ambitious. 00:20:29.645 --> 00:20:41.681 So we do have right now 135 graduates of our high schools in a program called the Longeso Scholars Program. 00:20:41.681 --> 00:20:45.297 So these are real kids that have graduated from our high school. 00:20:45.297 --> 00:20:48.446 They would just be sitting around for the year. 00:20:49.128 --> 00:21:00.970 So what we've done is we've created a program where each week they get about 10 hours of supplemental education and then they also do about 10 hours of supplemental education and then they also do about 10 hours of community service. 00:21:00.970 --> 00:21:07.441 So these kids have been engaged since last June of 2024. 00:21:07.441 --> 00:21:40.540 And so the hope would be is that they would be our freshman class, and so we've got the kids ready to go and they've been doing again some sort of pre-college kinds of, you know, academic enhancement things and so, and we've been building kind of a culture within this group of kids so that they would be coming onto campus, you know, I think a few steps ahead of most of the high school graduates in the country. 00:21:41.405 --> 00:21:42.790 Such a smart program. 00:21:42.790 --> 00:21:43.773 That's awesome. 00:21:43.773 --> 00:21:49.404 Hey, we're tight on time, but I did want to ask another question. 00:21:49.404 --> 00:21:58.599 We've got, as part of our Hope in Motion campaign, we're sending a team of Hope folks to Malawi. 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:12.759 So I think we have a team of 14 being led by Pastor Rick Court and Pastor Dave Falcone, and so they're meeting now and I know they've met with you and some members of your team. 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:22.596 But for our listeners who won't have the opportunity to go, could you give us a sneak peek into what is our team going to see? 00:22:22.596 --> 00:22:27.115 What are they going to experience during their week or 10 days in country? 00:22:27.977 --> 00:22:30.792 Yeah, well, here are my hopes for the trip. 00:22:30.792 --> 00:22:37.637 One is for them to see what Urban Promise International is doing in Malawi. 00:22:37.637 --> 00:22:47.140 And I think you know, until you really get on the ground and you see what these leaders many of those leaders have been in your church, yes, you know, over the years. 00:22:47.140 --> 00:22:53.258 You know when we come in January and they've shared about what they were going to do when they get back to their country. 00:22:53.258 --> 00:23:02.819 And now to have a group of hopesters come to Malawi and actually see what these leaders have done, I think will be super inspiring. 00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:05.227 And so I'm looking forward to that. 00:23:05.326 --> 00:23:15.076 Just introducing them, reintroducing them to the leaders and having them sort of, you know, walk the campuses, meet the kids, so that will happen. 00:23:15.076 --> 00:23:22.112 And then also campuses, meet the kids, so that will happen. 00:23:22.112 --> 00:23:25.505 And then also, you know, I hope to have them do some manual work on the new campus, absolutely Put them to work. 00:23:25.505 --> 00:23:39.207 My hope is that the classrooms will be built and that you know your group would come and maybe do some of the final touches, maybe painting and some of the landscaping, those kinds of things. 00:23:39.207 --> 00:23:40.932 So it'll be a mix of things. 00:23:40.932 --> 00:24:01.151 And then I think, just also, you know, when you take groups on these cross-cultural sort of experiences, just the time together and processing and debriefing you know what you see, what you hear I think it just has such a deep and lasting effect on people. 00:24:01.151 --> 00:24:16.442 So I think people are going to come back really excited about what they've experienced and I think it'll be a real blessing to the congregation as a whole blessing to the congregation as a whole. 00:24:21.944 --> 00:24:53.838 Amen, and I you know, just like we did with Haiti and Cuba, we'd love this to become a ongoing relationship and that other teams of folks in years to come will also have the opportunity to go and visit Malawi and be on the campus of Langezu, and we'll see this thing literally from the ground up and the amazing things that I know God is going to do through this, what is now a vision, what will soon become a fully functioning Christian university in Malawi. 00:24:53.838 --> 00:25:04.489 So, Bruce, blessings on you, man, You've done great things for the kingdom of God and obviously the Lord's not done with you yet. 00:25:05.951 --> 00:25:11.880 Well not yet, we'll see. 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.071 Hasn't put yet to pastor yet. 00:25:14.565 --> 00:25:18.896 No, but you know it's been just such a gift, jeff, to work with you. 00:25:18.896 --> 00:25:43.193 And you know, I mean I remember when that corner, where your church is now, you know it's just a piece of dirt and you know to see what it's become and it's not just the building but it's what happens inside of it and this is an outpouring of your leadership and your investment into the lives of your people over the years. 00:25:43.193 --> 00:25:55.549 And to be part of that, like you said, I mean I remember the first time I preached at your church we were in a little junior high and I think you had me setting up chairs before I got up to speak. 00:25:58.491 --> 00:26:15.002 Anyway, but to see what it becomes and again just to be part of those kinds of things in Malawi and other countries where you just remember walking the dirt and now it's a vibrant campus with hundreds of kids learning and growing. 00:26:15.002 --> 00:26:19.388 It's really, really special to be part of that and very life-giving. 00:26:19.769 --> 00:26:20.171 Indeed. 00:26:20.171 --> 00:26:22.096 All right, brother. 00:26:22.096 --> 00:26:25.092 Okay, you have a good day. 00:26:25.092 --> 00:26:28.748 And to our listeners, thanks for tuning in to the Meet Hope podcast. 00:26:28.748 --> 00:26:45.713 If you want more information, you can go to our website, meethopeorg, and we have a Hope in Motion page and there'll be more information there about Langezu University for you to check out. 00:26:45.713 --> 00:26:49.086 So have a great day and we'll see you next week. 00:26:52.531 --> 00:26:57.140 Thanks for being a part of the Hope Community as we continue our conversations about faith and hope. 00:26:57.140 --> 00:27:01.554 If you don't already, please join us for worship on Sundays or on demand. 00:27:01.554 --> 00:27:07.515 You can learn more at meethopeorg or find us on socials at meethopechurch.