Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn
This is what the world needs now: two free-thinking “seasoned” Black women speaking their truth and inspiring others to do the same. Shaped by 45 years of friendship that began at the prestigious Brooklyn Technical High School through the Ivy League, medical school, marriages, divorces, triumphs, parenting queer children, life-threatening illness and many many amazing adventures. Each week, besties Leslie Osei-Tutu and Angella Fraser will push against boundaries in love, culture, careers, faith, politics and out-dated assumptions about women of a certain age. Remember, you’re never too old to change your mind…or your hair! (but more on that later :-)All views are our own and do not reflect the views of our institution/company. Information provided is not intended to serve as medical advice.
Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn
Busy Besties Catch-up
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In this week's episode, we're catching up with the besties, learning about all the amazing things happening in their lives + how imposter syndrome creeps in even when you know what you know.
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Hey Ange. Hey Les. How are you? I'm doing well. You look good. You look good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I changed the angle of my uh video a little bit. Maybe I should go back to the shoes, or do you like this like this?
SPEAKER_01Well, let's let's see. Well, let's see. And let's see if um anyone says anything.
SPEAKER_03I I would like that. I would like to see if uh any of our millions of fans notice that I'm now sitting on the edge of the table in my dressing room versus. But I also am going to put back my regular filter because that's who I am. Okay, you can have that. As long as I get to keep Brooklyn. Okay, okay. Then here we are. All right. So hi everybody, welcome to another episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn. Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_01We are here. We know we've had um guests, quite a few guests this season, but we also want to make sure that we keep some of these episodes with just Leslie and I talking about stuff and um sharing that stuff that we're talking about with you. So here we are, just the two of us. We get why am I always singing and I cannot listen. You are I just want you to know I am clear that I do not have a singing voice, right? But that has okay, that has nothing to do with whether I sing or not. And I think people should sing if they want to sing. Sing out, sing out loud. I have a large song repertoire from Jamaica and coming up here in the 70s, and what is it, Casey Kasem, and all of these people, and of course, all the RB. So listen, it's gonna come out. Plus, I'm a Dolly Parton fan. Look, you're gonna hear it. You're gonna hear it.
SPEAKER_03And and and don't forget, like, the singing that comes up in Bible study.
SPEAKER_01Yes, that too. Yeah, what is it? Um, sing a joyful noise. Is that what the Bible says? There we go. I hope it's joyful anyway. Hold on, no one is cringing. You know you love it. Okay, so we are back in the building, and so much that um we want to share. So much has been going on. Oh my goodness, so much. Even this morning. Even this morning, right, Les? I go. So what happened? What happened?
SPEAKER_03So I had an exciting morning, both Omari and I had excit an exciting morning because a television film crew and reporter came to my home to interview us. Wow. Now, what do we got to say? Who cares about us? Well, remember, folks, this is uh April is organ donation month. Yes, and I guess um he and I are uh poster children for um organ donation.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's so awesome. I love it. I want I wanted to get as much mileage as possible because um, you know, we don't often get to see people who look like you and Omari in this space. And I think the more that people see that, the more they'll be willing to do some of what you've been talking about to consider um a living donation.
SPEAKER_03So and it's so funny that you said that because at one point the reporter asked me, what would you say about people in black communities? Um, are there anything specific to say about um organ donation and their weight for kidneys and things like that? And I said, Oh, sis, funny you should ask. You know, so we did talk a bit about the disparities in communities of people of uh people of color. Um and I'm not going into that right now, but I will go into it because in addition to being on NJ Spotlight News tomorrow at 6, that's Tuesday, 6 Eastern time. What? April 18th.
SPEAKER_01April 18th at 6 p.m. Tomorrow is the April.
SPEAKER_03It's gonna be on the PBS um station. Oh man. So Omari and I will be on TV. But in addition to doing that, I am also gonna be a panelist um discussion this very thing uh next week.
SPEAKER_01Okay, what else? Because you just told me today, and I can't believe you just told me. So listen, I started talking to you, and I'm like, you know what?
SPEAKER_03We're gonna be recording later. I'm not gonna tell you anymore. I'm not gonna tell you anymore. But tomorrow at our city council meeting, my township is going to give, and I don't even know how this works, if me present me and Omari with a proclamation of donation or something like this. It's like, what? Me, little oh me, little oh you. But um, I'm really excited about it, and I just told Omari, wear a dress shirt.
SPEAKER_02You might you might end up in the local here. I'm telling this grown-ass man how to dress, but you know, he may come in chat. Always a mother, whatever. Always a mother, exactly. You know, the people will see me like cuffing them up in the corner, like, you won that go home and change you. They're like, What am I five years old?
SPEAKER_00Oh my goodness. But you wonder. But you know, Omari's so cool.
SPEAKER_03Omari said, uh, should I wear a white shirt? You think I should wear? And I'm like, no, just business casual would be fine. So yeah, I'm excited about all of the things and the education, uh, the opportunities to tell my story and to educate people about organ donation and what they can do to help and things to look out for and all of those things. It's really special to me. And it all started with us talking last season on the podcast about the uh kidney swap episode.
SPEAKER_00I did.
SPEAKER_03That's how my employer heard about it, and some press people and the news heard about it. So yeah. I think I'm hot stuff.
SPEAKER_02You never I it just me and my one kidney.
SPEAKER_01It didn't just you and your one dagger kidney. Yeah, okay, yeah. I love it. I love how much um the word is getting out. I love that folks are hearing about it through Black Blue Rabesties from Brooklyn. And um, yeah, it's a beautiful thing.
SPEAKER_03So another thing that I started speaking to you about earlier today, and we cut the conversation short. Um, as you and I were planning our uh content for the next few episodes, I think it's important to bring up that topic of I'm gonna call it imposter syndrome, but now it makes me a little nervous to say it because when I mentioned it a few episodes previously, you kind of shut me down and said, like, wait a minute, Les, it's not an imposter syndrome if other people around you are making you feel as though you are not worthy to be in that space.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Um that's not a shutdown, that's a telling you to be clear because you don't want to hold yourself responsible for changing things that are outside of your control. But there is imposter syndrome, and we and we'll talk about that. I was just making the point that when people don't invite you in the room, or if they make you feel weird when you're in the room, that's not imposter syndrome. That's something that they are doing to you. It's not just this internal thing that you struggle with, even though we do. It's just not that. Yeah, it's just not that. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Well, I think then that I had it. I had a touch of the syndrome. No, let me just put it this way. I think I'm coming down with a syndrome. The syndrome got you. Um, as I was speaking to the reporter, and I was telling my story, so clearly I know what I'm talking about, you know, and she was asking me um my feelings about the experience. And as you can imagine, I walk a fine line between two worlds. I walk a line between being a physician and a healer, and then I also walk a line about um being the family member or loved one of a person who was ill and being a mom of a person who was ill.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, and at certain points as I was speaking, I was um I wouldn't say second guessing myself, but I kept asking myself, like, are you making sense? Are you sure this is right? And I just started like having some doubts about things. It's it was just an odd feeling. And you heard that voice. I heard it. I I didn't hick up, but um, but I did, it was almost like a um I was having a different conversation in my head as I was speaking. I was making sure to verify what I was saying. Right. So it was like a veracity check as I was speaking. I don't encounter that very often because in my work I'm usually a lot more definitive and sure. Yeah. Such that that second guess and doesn't come up. I'm not sure where that came from, though.
SPEAKER_01Let's investigate. But do we have to investigate in public? We do not, we do not, but what I what I do um appreciate is um that we're willing to be vulnerable with this side of ourselves because I think that um we don't want in any way for people to think that we have it all together. We sometimes do and we sometimes don't. And you know, we have fears and we have um uh you know doubts about who we are and how we're showing up and whether we're, you know, um, I know for me one of the things is um uh, you know, are you are you being too much? You know, that kind of thing. Because you know, I'm a deep thinker, um, and I like to ask questions because I want to understand. And sometimes people take my questions as questioning them about what they're doing versus questioning just to understand, maybe even that I could appreciate what they're doing even more.
SPEAKER_03Um and so does that mean that you're fearing um that they might be judging you?
SPEAKER_01Well, I fear that because I hear that that um uh I know that sometimes the way that I come across is off-putting. Right. And so I remember the first time someone told me that I was um what was the word they use? Uh that I was uh I don't know if it was confrontational or condescending, something like that. And I'm like, what? What? I I those words I never confrontational maybe because I do have well I do well you know that I have that side of me because I have um I have my opinions and I I I don't um I I I when I see something that either needs clarification or it's going wrong and I can do something to correct it, I feel like it's my responsibility to to to do it. Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_03That's that's true. I guess like when you called me out and when I said um what I just said about the doubts and what have you, right?
SPEAKER_01Right, right. That's not impossible syndrome, yeah. And even even like that, right? You calling it calling calling me out, um it it can have different uh meanings. And um the the fact is that it's just like if there was spinach on your teeth or the toilet paper in your thing, as we talked about, you know, season one. If I see something that I can um, you know, shine up for you or um just help you to understand a little better. Um I I say it.
SPEAKER_03But you know, that's like that plaque that I have. I'm not bossy, I'm just helpful. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And you know, it it depends on who it's directed it to. Right, right, and how and how it's presented. Timing is really important.
SPEAKER_03I was just gonna say when you uh present that or offer that, because there are times when you might quote unquote confront me and I feel intimidated. Really? Oh yeah, yeah. But then there may be other times when it's like, oh, okay, I get it, I get it. So you're right, timing is really important, right? Right. Yeah, and um, yeah, so anyway. So is it ever not is there ever not a good time to tell someone that they have spinach on their teeth?
SPEAKER_01Um, is there never not a good time?
SPEAKER_03Is there ever not a good time? In other words, does timing apply to everything? I mean, obviously, if they're walking onto railroad tracks, you know.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think I think um, yeah, I think if you were on stage as a speaker, I wouldn't like stand up in the crowd and say, hey, you got Spanish on your day.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, but uh yeah. So anyway, um it's interesting, isn't it? So you know what I've been doing, right? I just finished an email. Tried to it's just I thought you let that go. Well, I did let it go. I'm mentioning it here because um this podcast, as we have said a lot, just uh puts me in a really good mood. And it helped me to kind of pull myself. You know, one of those emails, guys, where you just have to kind of lay some things out and just be really clear, not rude or anything, but just be clear, bullets, um, just kind of shut down any miscommunication that may be going on. Um I pride myself on writing um communication that is really clear, especially written communication. I'm working on the spoken communication, but especially written. And so um You're my letter writer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so anyway, but despite that, um, when we're talking and the one hour delay that it caused us getting. Because I want to do it right, because I want to do it right, you know. And I and I had to kind of put aside the um some of the you know the rancor that I was feeling. Yeah. Put it in its place and do it properly. But when we're talking about imposter syndrome, it came up for me. Um, it has come up for me when I a few years ago when I was in theater, when I was doing it, when I felt really green. And even when I had some experience, I was like, oh my gosh, how am I how am I gonna do this? They they really think I can do this, and ultimately I did, but you do have to quiet those voices. You know, I always say mine is Judge Judy. I always have to turn Judge Judy down and um just do what is required, you know, just do what is required.
SPEAKER_03So I wonder where that comes from though where the imposter syndrome comes from?
SPEAKER_04Well, no, yeah, I guess so, because I'm saying that in my case, if a whole news uh reporter and cameraman and the producer who sent them to me and who I had pre uh prior discussion with, there's that damn that not only did it, excuse me, let's see.
SPEAKER_00I cannot, I cannot. All right, are you okay?
SPEAKER_03I'll tell you why I'm laughing because I swallowed it, it went in my mouth. And in our prior podcast, as I mentioned to you afterwards, the gnat went up my nose.
SPEAKER_02And I tried not to react. I didn't want to, I knew I was on camera, so but it just flew in my mouth. Leslie, you swallowed it just because I didn't want to hawk it up, and you know, it's like, all right, just let the damn thing go down.
SPEAKER_03Oh my goodness, that was something. Okay, I can't breathe.
SPEAKER_01I can we're not gonna edit this out because it's funny as heck.
SPEAKER_02But I'll tell you, this is the last time I'm gonna speak about it. My reaction was to start like what I just said, Leslie.
SPEAKER_03Cop. Calm down.
SPEAKER_02You know, I just had to do some self-talk this now.
SPEAKER_01But anyway, Leslie, you kill me. You really do. You kill me. Hey, listen, y'all see my lashes? So I usually don't have these on, right? But this um, when was it last week? I think it was, I went to the mall to get new makeup. I'd been just kind of piecing together what I had, and I was like, look, I need to get a whole new just a post-pandemic look. A coordinated, a coordinated um set of purposefully purchased, not oh, you like that color and getting stuff from Les or whomever. Um and so I went to the Mac counter. Actually, Mac and Bobby Brown were right next to each other, and so I sat and there were people waiting at the Mac counter, and I had to get back. So I had like, I don't know, an hour and a half or so. And so um I was like, well, how about Bobby Brown? And um so they were available, and I asked her which is better, you know, Mac, should I just wait? And she's like, no, Bobby Brown, because they're better for older skin. And um, so I said, okay, but anyway, her name is um Shania, and she was wonderful, and she gave me whole um makeup. So I'm learning how to put on this new set of makeup properly. So I thought I would throw on some uh lashes.
SPEAKER_03They look good, they look good, especially being that this season we're on camera.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, so if you see it like working its way down to my like a spider, yeah, I'll I'll I'll give you the high side. Please let me know. That's probably more more um more uh more much of a more of a possibility than having spinach on teeth. We should probably say that our lashes that our lashes.
SPEAKER_03Well, just about the whole makeup thing. It's funny that because I don't wear a lot of makeup very often, especially with the you know pandemic and I wear a mask at work all the time and whatever.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03Um we we schedule our podcasts now around whether or not we have makeup on for the day. So I have on eyelashes because I was on camera early. So I'm like, we need to film. We need to get it in.
SPEAKER_01Anyway. Yeah. So um, so there, there what I've been doing, as you know, is spending a lot of time working on different plays. And last month, yeah, the month of May, no, um, March, I worked on four different plays, three of them simultaneously. Um, doing different things, designing for some, and um uh yeah, actually just designing. And then the one that I'm working on now is the color purple. And what I'm doing for that one is called Wig Coordinator. They kind of they rent a wig package, but I have to do all the fittings and the styling and and things like that. And so I've been in the theater a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. I would say that I overextended myself, but um just when I was feeling like okay, enough is enough, it dwindled down to just one. So I am um happy about that because I get time to do what? Okay, here's where I was having I was having a lot of, I am pushing through a lot of um imposter syndrome. Okay, and that is around a um giving myself permission to see myself as a coach to um acknowledge well when I was in California on my long sabbatical, I I I've told you that I um you know doing the podcast was one of the things that came to me that I really wanted to do as I thought about what are the things that bring me joy and how how could I have more what I like to call joyful money making, right? Choosing to um do the things that um bring me joy and um making an income from those things instead of separating the two, okay, my work is not so much fun, and then I I have fun after, and so joyful money making. So the other thing that came to me while I was out there is um is that I've been mentoring, coaching just for so long. It's one of those consistent threads of my life, and I I put coaching on my on my board on the kind of um the way that I was kind of capturing the this download that I got of what I should do next. And it's been really hard for me to let it fully in that it's like oh you want to be a coach. What what what is that? So I'm getting a lot of a lot of that um that's coming down. But what I know for sure is that um I have been really good at it. It's a big part of what I did when I was in corporate with my teams, with people who I was the manager, who folks who reported to other managers would come to because of the way that I um just helped them to understand and help them to kind of cope with things that were going on and put things into a perspective that um allowed them to um just see things a little differently. And so I am developing a coaching program, and um I'm really excited about it because the more that I do it, the more that I see that it just flows out of me, um, that I have a lot of experience that I can draw on, and that it all comes from how I want people to feel that that's like at the core, and um so I'm developing this program and you know that, but I told you before that something is stopping me from saying it on this podcast, yeah. And you you challenge me on it. That's how you challenged me. It's like, why? Why would you not want to say that? And we're gonna talk about that because that's imposter syndrome, and yeah, you've you've mentioned it. We've been talking about this a long comment. I know, I know.
SPEAKER_03So you came out of the closet.
SPEAKER_01So I can't I did, I'm fully out. Thank you. It feels good. Stay tuned for more. Um, it is geared around, you know, people of this age and really ways that I've learned to get people unstuck or to think about what their next best is and and go after it instead of just um, you know, whatever you're bringing to a corporate arena or whether you're in academia or any other professional setting, those skills travel with you. You don't leave them when you leave the job, whether it's for retirement or any other reason. They are part of who you are, and you could move that into something else. And um, so it's it's a program around that. And um, so anyway, we'll talk more about it. But that's what was giving me a lot of that.
SPEAKER_03And it's so in line with our brand, what we do here for uh Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03That's how we actually started the podcast or our intention, yeah. Uh, you know, to show people that there's another way to perhaps get people unstuck, yeah. Um, in a humorous way, kind of um start them thinking about the next level or the next thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. It is. Yeah. And it's not, it's not by coincidence because when I this all came to me at at one time, it was um a very clear, I had spent weeks just kind of um allowing myself to just be and not put pressure on myself about what I was gonna do and so on. So it was a time in my life when my um headspace was completely clear and I was able to hear my download from the Lord on um what what was next. And like I told you, I just kind of sketched all these things on a whatever, a napkin or whatever, and then just like I would, PowerPoint, you know, putting it on a quadrant coding and color coded, um, just so I could kind of make sense of it and to see how all of these things fit together. And um, so anyway, you left out the uh brain dump. Oh yeah, always have to do a brain dump. And like you guys know, I I I write three pages every day that that brings a lot of clarity, and um so that's one of the things that I do to get out of my head. You know, I'm in my head because I'm but I'm getting it out, it's not just staying in there, it's getting out and going on paper, and um, then it's not just kind of you know, just rambling around taking up space that um that it shouldn't be. But anyway, um I thank you for calling me on that because that um, you know, um it it really kind of gave me permission to pursue this and not just listen to the judge in my head telling me that um this is not really who you are, when in fact it is really who I am. I'm just kind of putting putting my my sign up, right? To declare that this is who I have been and I'm open for business. So that's good.
SPEAKER_03Well, I look forward to us hearing a little bit more about it and you developing it. Yes. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And thanks for all the support, Les.
SPEAKER_01Of course, as usual. As usual.
SPEAKER_03So I'm wondering where did all of my self-doubt, and I'm not gonna say all of it, but where does it come from? Why do I go in and out of this? Is that a is that maybe that's just a normal thing? You know, I'm watching people listen to me earnestly, and I'm wondering, like, do they know who I am?
SPEAKER_01I know. Sometimes too, when you're when you're in the um, when you're doing your doctoring, yeah, and then you take a little break and you call me and you do something silly. I'm like, do they know when you go back in the OR, do they really know?
SPEAKER_02Did I know? You just said that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. And it's it's it's an interesting uh it's it's it's an interesting thing.
SPEAKER_01I think there are a lot of um, you know, experiences that we have, and some of them stick, you know, and it doesn't have to be a big thing, it could be a little thing. Somebody could have said something to you at a at that kind of really vulnerable time and it and it just stuck, and you believed it. And so, you know, as you grow up, you're still you're still believing all of it or some of it. I think that's a part of it. Well, it's like something like that.
SPEAKER_03It's something that I experience professionally on a regular basis, and and I'm not gonna say often, but I was explaining to my uh mom the other day that only five percent of physicians in the US are black. Five percent. Wow. So when people say that they don't know any physicians that are black, I can understand that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03If people in the hallway, you know, see me and naturally assume that, you know, I'm not a physician, I may be one of the ancillary staff members. Mom, you know, thought that that was offensive, but I said that um I I under I absolutely understand that. Because if you think about it, if you see 10 people, 0.5 of them would be a physician uh a black physician. Right. And the other nine and a half black people would not be. Right. So it's normal then, you'd be right most of the time to assume that a black person in a hospital is not a physician.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know, so you're so forgiving. You're so forgiving. But but I think it's more it's a practical thing. And I don't mind showing people that we exist, that we are, or black people, black physicians look like this, right? Or can be silly, or you know, I wear um, you know, my jeans with the cutouts and holes in them, which both mom and earnest hate. But uh mom is like, look at you, you're a physician. What do you mean? No, you don't wear those to work. You don't wear those to work. Okay, okay. Let's just make I know that, but let's just make it clear. Yeah. In general, but um to Walmart, I'll wear it, okay?
SPEAKER_02So I can blend in.
SPEAKER_03I'm kidding. Um, but no, but but she says, like, oh, that's inappropriate, and you're and I'm like, mom, you know, I'm a person, and I'm not trying to look young. I'm proud of the age that I am, but this is something you know what I mean. So it's it's it's weird. Okay, yeah, it's it's just a little odd.
SPEAKER_01It's okay. It's all right. We are who we are, we are who we are. That's the way it's going to be. If you don't know. Yes, that's my little bit of um Bob Marley, which will be coming out more and more. I've been listening to um Bob Marley Radio. But what is it? I think it's um on Sirius. I forget what station it is, but I've been listening to that more and more on my long drives home from the theater.
SPEAKER_03I'm not um I'm not familiar with that. You gotta let me know what number that is.
SPEAKER_01I think it's Bob Marley Radio.
SPEAKER_03I think that's it, but I don't know what way what which number it is, you know, where to find it. I stick to like one or two three or three stations total, and that's where I stick with, you know, I'm free like that.
SPEAKER_01Right. Uh yeah. I once I program it, I don't I don't remember. Like your phone number. Well, I know your phone number, but a lot of people's phone number, I don't know because it's just in my phone. It's not like, you know, um yours, I know because I knew that number prior to being so fair.
SPEAKER_03What did I say that out loud? No. Prior to the onset of dementia. So only the short-term memory is gone, the long-term memory gone.
SPEAKER_01See what I have to deal with. And listen, we're not laying my mother died of dementia, and she was a beloved mom to Leslie. So we're not making fun of it per se. So why? So why is that funny, Leslie? Why is that funny? Just my so just my memory loss. Yeah, you won't be laughing when it's when you don't remember me. And then when you leave the room, I'm like when you leave the room, I'm like, I can't stand her. I know who she is.
SPEAKER_00I just don't want her to come back. I'm 40-something years, 50-something, 60-something years, I'm done. I've had a video. I've had enough.
SPEAKER_03So, Ange, in the few minutes that we have left in this episode, and I know it's been a hodgepodge, but I want to talk about the things that are coming up in um some of our future uh episodes. Okay. Um for sure, we're gonna start exploring the whole AI phenomenon, artificial intelligence. And I know you have strong feelings about that, but um there are so many implications and uses and things like that. In fact, we're going to invite one of our another bestie um who is an expert in that regard.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01So um we know a lot of really amazing people. Our village is so eclectic and and wonderful.
SPEAKER_03So, yeah, someone else we're going to speak to her, and oh, she's just such a brilliant lady. So I know that she'll be able to give us some insight and maybe allay some of our fears. But there are reasons to be fearful. I I I give you that. I give you that. I overheard um one of the actually, I think he might have been the CEO of Google on 60 Minutes the other day. I'm not sure if that's what I'm referring to, but they did talk about in addition to building up the technologic um capabilities of AI, they need to really start thinking about um ethical considerations.
SPEAKER_01Um after the fact, right?
SPEAKER_03Societal, um, medical, legal, and he advocated that we work on these different arenas in tandem.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03So that the technology has not been so uh advanced, far advanced before the other issues have yet to be considered.
SPEAKER_01Right, right.
SPEAKER_03And that's a common sense approach. It's it's it's not let's stop the train, the AI train, um, but let's also start thinking about the other implications and things that need to be uh to accompany it. And I I like that idea.
SPEAKER_01So is he is a tech guy speaking? Right, but is this tech guy saying that um this is what we're doing, this you guys do that other stuff? Or I mean, is he gonna play a role in those things? Or is it just like y'all better keep up?
SPEAKER_03I don't know if he was uh suggesting a collaboration, but he did stress um that he identified the need for a multidisciplinary approach to um the AI advances, you know, and I like that. Okay. I I like that. Yeah. Yeah. So we're gonna talk about that because I know we have a lot of strong feelings about that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Maybe by then I I do want to try it a little bit just to um just to know some of it through personal experience and not just kind of um um having heard about it.
SPEAKER_03But are you talking about chat GPT specifically?
SPEAKER_01I guess so. I don't even know the names of there's a few out, yeah. Well, what I thought I would try it for is um writing some blogs because I have so much that I can say, but a a part of the difficulty in keeping up with the blogging is taking the time, you know. I'm a wordsmith and pouring it over and over and over, and I want to kind of see if I put that information out into this tool.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01How would it use it and do that? Yeah, and do that kind of um polishing that takes me so much time to do. So I'm gonna try it. I'm not gonna like, yeah, be so appropriate.
SPEAKER_03And in the educational arena, you know, the professors and teachers are grappling with it, and a lot of them are embracing it and saying that there are uses for it, but it, you know, I guess they need to design curricula around it and things like that.
SPEAKER_01Right. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a bit much.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, so um we also are gonna talk about our retreat. Oh yes, but we're we're we're I know we're developing it and we need to come back and we we need to uh come back in a way where we're all zen calm and chill and and back to exercising fully. I've yeah, and get get uh we're gonna eliminate a lot of these blocks and barriers that um are coming up for the two of us individually and collectively, I bet, you know, because we do things in tandem very often.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So we're looking forward to sharing that experience with you all too.
SPEAKER_03Right. And remember, I said it's gonna be like a um technology-free I did not agree to that. I think that's clean eating, tech clean eating body-centered now.
SPEAKER_02I'm making stuff up as we go.
SPEAKER_01Tech tech-free is something that you have put out there. I'm not on board with that just yet. I mean, just for certain times in the day, not to be connected all the time, but um just to we could give ourselves like an hour window. Exactly. An hour that would be talking, yes, 2020. Right. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Okay, okay. You're good with that?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'll be the first one picking up the phone and like looking at I'm not a TV watcher, but I do uh look at my phone anyway. And you you watch your Judge Judy.
SPEAKER_01Um, um, first of all, um Judge Judy and Jeopardy. Hey, all these things.
SPEAKER_03Those are the two things, right?
SPEAKER_01I I would watch that as much for those, which is you know Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's a little, it's a little but then I come back to you at 7:30 and finish the sentence.
SPEAKER_01Wait, I gotta go. Okay, you got two minutes. I'm like, you know, you know what time it is. Your little guilty pleasure. That's fine.
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SPEAKER_01All right. Let's wrap it up. I think we need to. Yes.
SPEAKER_03It's nice seeing you, dear. You you put your head up. You've had your head down going back and forth to the theater. I know. And I have been in the OR so often the last man, four days I've been working. I feel like 36 hours straight.
SPEAKER_01I feel I feel for you so badly because I I know that wears you out, but um you're committed. Yeah, I know. I know, weirdo. Anyway, all right, guys. Thank you for listening to another episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_05Brooklyn!
