Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn
This is what the world needs now: two free-thinking “seasoned” Black women speaking their truth and inspiring others to do the same. Shaped by 45 years of friendship that began at the prestigious Brooklyn Technical High School through the Ivy League, medical school, marriages, divorces, triumphs, parenting queer children, life-threatening illness and many many amazing adventures. Each week, besties Leslie Osei-Tutu and Angella Fraser will push against boundaries in love, culture, careers, faith, politics and out-dated assumptions about women of a certain age. Remember, you’re never too old to change your mind…or your hair! (but more on that later :-)All views are our own and do not reflect the views of our institution/company. Information provided is not intended to serve as medical advice.
Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn
Season 2 is in the Building
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Besties Angella and Leslie are thrilled to be back on the airwaves with season 2 of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn. Join them in the quest for Older Bolder living as they describe the upcoming season’s guests and chat about what they’ve been up to during their hiatus.
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Hey Les. Hey Ant. How are you? I'm doing well. I can't believe we're doing this. I cannot believe this is our life. This is our life.
SPEAKER_00Not only are we doing this, but here we are with a video to match our audio.
SPEAKER_01Listen. Listen, we had to go big for season two. That's true. Because we are officially podcasters. That's true.
SPEAKER_00And we have to give the people what they want.
SPEAKER_01We have to give the people what the power to the people. We have to give the people what they want. And they clearly, they clearly have been enamored. So um, yeah, I still can't believe it. Okay.
SPEAKER_00So let me just say a couple things. A little preamble. First of all, only 30 minutes ago did you tell me that we would be recording this evening. So I had to scramble and get ready. So one of the things that I did, I said, okay, I don't uh I'm not doing any makeup or anything like that, but I grabbed some lipstick. And I just have a question for you. What? This lipstick tastes a little funny, and I'm thinking back, and it's probably about 10 years old. Do you think it's too old to wear? Do you think I need to get rid of this now? It went on a little thick. Oh my gosh, Leslie threw it away. That's the bacteria. But the bacteria is holding the pigment.
SPEAKER_01That's the bacteria holding it together. Please discard it.
SPEAKER_00I think this is the last book because I feel like my lips are turning to clay. The second thing I want to be uh wide open and reveal to our listeners. So, as you all know, we record in our closets. Well, I recorded my closet, but this might as well be a closet that I've been at small. I had on my sweater. And I said, I'm not sure if I feel comfortable wearing this outfit. And you just told me, yeah, you need to put on something with color because I'm blending in with the shoes.
SPEAKER_01I should have brought Tisha because I knew you were gonna make my eyes.
SPEAKER_00How the hell does one blend in with shoes? What do I look like? I heel. Oh my god. Leslie, please. So I had to put this color on top of my gray sweater. So that's how I'm just gonna start. We didn't even do our opening. We didn't even do our opening. We just left. And who are these people talking? Okay, let's let's welcome to another episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn. Brooklyn! All right, we're gonna be able to do that. Welcome to season two.
SPEAKER_01As you can see, not much has changed. Not much has changed. Well, some big things have changed. Obviously, we are now on video as well as audio. So we really wanted to come um with more in season two than we had in season one. Um, we know you guys loved us. We listen, we missed doing this so much, even though we continued to to um talk to each other at least three or four times a day.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But I think we even upped it. We upped it from like two or three to maybe three or four. And some of those conversations we joined each other on our commutes, you know, back and forth. It's like, okay, I'm at work now, gotta go.
SPEAKER_01I'm in the OR. Okay, gotta go. Anything quick? Um, no, but we really um missed the um our podcast. That means we missed you guys because the only thing that's different is not having you. And so we did take a longer break than we expected. A lot of stuff happened, but um, you know, we um we got through it. We got through it, and um, I have to say that some of the excitement that kind of turned our frowns upside down was knowing that we were coming back with season two. Um, we've got some great.
SPEAKER_00It kind of put a little more pep in our step.
SPEAKER_01It put a little more pep in our step for real, for real. Um, so yeah, we've got um guests this season. We did end last season with our wonderful um friend and guest Kim Coles. Um, so we're gonna continue with that. We have some great um topics, and um we really want to focus on giving you a lot of good information, a lot of good inspiration. And so we have um topics like what um what do we have lined up, Les? We've got um someone who decided to take a sabbatical from in the middle of this kick-ass career.
SPEAKER_00In the middle of a kick-ass career, a whole team of people following her and crying that she was leaving, crying. She just made a decision for herself that this was something that uh her heart was leading her to do, and she stepped out boldly to do that. So that's gonna be a nice conversation. Um Definitely. What else are we gonna be talking about?
SPEAKER_01We're gonna be talking about retiring and retiring a little early, and you know, that you don't have to have everything lined up. Now, don't be stupid, but you don't have to have every dot, um, every I dotted and every T crossed to go in order to retire successfully and have coming on to talk about that.
SPEAKER_00But there's another person speaking about retirement differently, also. Who's that?
SPEAKER_01Who's that?
SPEAKER_00What about retiring to another country?
SPEAKER_01Right. Oh, I forgot about it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So not necessarily staying in the States, but retiring abroad and to a new place and what that adventure would might lead to, and all of those things. That's really bold. That's that's like a boldness that I'm not sure of. That's good. I'd be really juicy.
SPEAKER_01I think I think she also has jumped out of airplanes like twice. So it's a it's uh that's like next level bold. Um, that guess is next level bold. Um, we're we want to talk about um nutrition and health and um uh what is it? Remember the um dermatologist that we have coming on?
SPEAKER_00Talk about well, she's gonna talk about a couple of things, but one of the things that's really big is hair loss, um, and women's emotional struggles with with that. And um right, right. I think that's that's you all are gonna like that one. Yeah, all of them. So But here's the other thing that I'm that that I think that is gonna be really cool this season that you that is a lot different from last season, is as we've been saying, now we're going to be um linking up and we're doing video as well. But you all are going to see how Ange, every time you see her, she looks different. Um so how are you gonna look today with your different glasses? Well, that's gonna be a part that's gonna be a bee wearing.
SPEAKER_01That's gonna be a part of the the um big surprise, right? You all um I think we talked about this last season that I have a wig line. I'm a wig designer for theater, and I love curly wigs of all flavors. Um I think that hair is one of the ways that black women um can have um self-agency, and we decide how we show up because we happen to look good in just about anything, just about any color. And so um I do plan to, I do plan to how's my burgundy showing up? It's it's looking good, it's looking good. I know you just had it um it done, so it's not as bright, but it's uh it's a nice, deep, rich color. It looks rich, it looks rich. So um, yeah, you're gonna see me looking all different ways, and um, you know, it's just it's just what I do. You're gonna be seeing me with my natural hair too. It's just however I feel. That's what I'm gonna do, however I feel. Is that okay with you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So so what's been going on with you? What have you been into the last month or two? I mean, you know, I know a lot.
SPEAKER_01I um, you know, my work in the theater was never something that I planned, it just kind of evolved. A friend connected me, I was just kind of covering for someone, and then I started getting asked to assist and then supervise and then design. And um, and then it just kind of picked up different theaters um calling and asking if I'm available. And um, and I I it resisted sometimes. I don't know why. I gotta check on that why, but now I'm just fully, fully, fully in it. Um, hopefully I'll be doing some teaching at some universities in the area, um, really talking about um black hair, uh, black hair culture. And so that's something that's really, really um special and unique about us um from the from the continent and the diaspora. And so I love talking about the um aspects of our culture where hair is central, and I love teaching people about that.
SPEAKER_00I like that you're developing an ability or a practice now of linking the cultural background to the actual doing and the wearing of the hair.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00You know, it's not just a matter of putting on a hair, uh, a wig or a hair piece or presenting yourself in that way, but some of the history behind it and the whys and things like that. So um taking it to a university setting, I think, is gonna be cool because it will just be another educational aspect.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, absolutely, and I I made the point to let them know that if they just want someone to teach them how to do um our natural hair, uh they're better off with someone else. I mean, I am a licensed natural hair care specialist, but my secret sauce is just my um my deep interest in the cultural aspects of our hair. And so I'm hoping that I will be um educating uh a group of young people to be, you know, to be more mindful of um these things when they go out into the world of the arts and so on. So yeah, what about you?
SPEAKER_00What's it and it's and it and it and it's young people of different cultures and backgrounds, um, and even people from our culture, we don't always know that's true the history behind things like locks or afro's or short hair or cornrows or different different things like that.
SPEAKER_01So and how tied our hair is to um politics and power and joy and a lot of resistance and resistance, um uh disappointment, all all all these things, um, how we connect with um elders, so many things um that are a part of the culture of our hair, it's not just this thing, it's not just vanity, it's so much more than that, and I love kind of scratching at that.
SPEAKER_00And when the dermatologist, when you all get to meet her and hear her, um, she's such an elegant lady. Um, when she gets to describe part of her practice and the customers, or I should say patients that come to her complaining of um pathology with their hair or hair loss or things like that, just the emotionalism um that that accompanies that, you know? Um yeah, yeah. Wow, wow. I'm I'm really looking forward to presenting that to you all.
SPEAKER_01Yes, for sure. All right, what have you been up to? I know you've been busy. We've both been busy, but your busy is like life-saving kind of busy. So it always kind of is up there for me. So what you gonna do?
SPEAKER_00I'll say potentially life-saving. However, that's like um Ern often says, like, did you save any lives today, honey? I'm like, no, not today. But here's the thing: it's just like being an air airplane pilot. You don't want any drama in the OR. You want a boring routine day. So busy for me. If I don't mind busy, but I don't want any drama. You know, I want smooth, eventful. I want the monitors to go beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. None of this beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Can you imagine? That would be like an I love Lucy skit. Like, oh my god, what are we gonna do?
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. Now people are gonna see how you crack me up. They've been hearing it now. But that's okay. I love to laugh. Clearly, I love to laugh. That's why I keep you around. You know, you keep me laughing.
SPEAKER_00You keep me laughing. I'll I'll give you something um that I just got some feedback from. And I don't think that I ever mentioned this to you. About five or six years ago, um I became part of a I joined a very large research effort. One of the centers um under the study is Columbia University, but there are several um centers countrywide, it could be worldwide involved. So research is called All of Us. Okay. Um and I'll put the link in the podcast to it. What it is actually, it's an investigation of individuals' genetics and how genetics are involved in different disease processes and susceptibility to disease, and we kind of know that. But also they're trying to develop a database and looking at how genetics influences pharmacology and how medications are affected by um one's genetics. And obviously, the larger the pool of information that they have, the more that they can look at trends um for better medication management and targeting to different genetic populations.
SPEAKER_01So I got is it true that um sorry, I wanted to ask, um, I'd heard that most of the medicine that is prescribed is dosage is based on white males, that they don't make um uh in general, there are not um uh changes or accommodations um that they make for groups outside of that. Is that true or is that still true, or what do you know about that?
SPEAKER_00I gotta say I'm not exactly sure about that. However, I do know that people of color are underrepresented in things like clinical trials, where when drugs are are are made and manufacturers and some of the research that goes behind it. And I think that's why this effort with this research, all of us, this project is so important to look at um the variability that genetics plays in terms of medicine medic medication efficacy and how well it works, or things like that. It's already known that there are certain medications that work better in certain populations. For example, ACE inhibitors. Um Ernest explains this to me sometimes, and I don't always remember the difference um with the medications, but they work differently um with African Americans versus um Caucasian people, or dosages may need to be increased or decreased according to um your ethnic or um genetic background, I'll say. So um I've been over the years getting different pieces of information from this research. So I was never really comfortable um using those um popular uh products like Ancestry DNA or um 23andMe, where as I understand it, they actually own the samples that you like in the small print, you give them the right to own the samples that they obtain from you. Okay, and for the low, low price of $99, they will then give you the results while still owning and having having the ability to do whatever they want with the sample. Um I thought that sounded kind of creepy. Yeah, yeah. Sounded a little creepy to me. Um so I felt a little more comfortable participating in this university-based medicine science-based um project. Um all of us research.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00Um, and now five, six years later or so, I'm slowly starting to get uh information back.
SPEAKER_01So today I was just gonna say tell me, tell me.
SPEAKER_00Today I just found out what my genetic origins are likely to be.
SPEAKER_01Okay. I haven't heard this.
SPEAKER_00I'm so excited. I know. In fact, I might need to just pull it up a little bit, but no, I I kind of remember. So 78% of me. Yes, as one can imagine, it's sub-Saharan African.
SPEAKER_01Okay. That's as that's as detailed, that's as detailed as they get. No. Okay.
SPEAKER_00You see, you jumped in, you see, you're interested. You're interested. So that's 78%, and of that 78%, fifty-six of it is West African, okay, Senegal, Ghana, or Nigeria.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00And twenty-two percent is East African, Kenya.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00Um, but then I'm twenty-two percent Western Europe. We knew Margaret. You had no idea, did ya? That I um United Kingdom, Ireland, Sweden, I think. So that's the the DNA, um, the genetic background part of it.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00We gotta we gotta scratch it. That that's an episode right there.
SPEAKER_02It might be, it might be.
SPEAKER_00So the other thing I found out, these are so obscure, but it's very interesting. I don't remember the name of the gene offhand, but I may be more sensitive to bitter tastes because of my genetic background. Okay.
SPEAKER_01So I'm the one who has an aversion to cilantro cilantro.
SPEAKER_00Like I too should have an aversion to cilantro based on these results. That was a whole other category.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But I love cilantro.
SPEAKER_01Uh we found up, we fight about cilantro. Cilantro is like an affront to my senses. You didn't know. If I taste one little piece, it ruins the entire meal for me.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's like me with olives. I can't even walk down the olive aisle in a in the supermarket because it's that yeah, it's nauseating.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. Well, that's olives aren't bitter though, are they?
SPEAKER_00No, it's not I don't know. We're just talking of food aversions. Yeah. You know, yeah. Okay. The other thing, was there what anything else I learned? Oh, you know what else? There is a gene that controls the consistency of earwax. Say what now? Say what now and my earwax is wet versus the dry genetic background.
SPEAKER_01I just want to ask something. I don't have the dry gene. I want to ask something. Can you give me just one possible use for that information? Just one. Um just one. Q tip um uh maybe q tip sales. Well, not q-tip sales, but q-tip design. Is there a difference? Should they be coded? Like what? Give me one reason.
SPEAKER_00I'm thinking it might be protective if a foreign body or a bug gets in your ear. Maybe with a wet wax, it gets caught better, you know, tangled in the hairs in the jungle. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I'm just wondering because every um there there are decisions being made about what is to be looked at, right?
SPEAKER_00Um, I don't know if it's decisions per se, but I I think it more go points to what the genes have been identified, what gene function has been identified. I see. Okay. So for example, gene function may have been for uh a pointy nose versus a round nose. That may not have any functionality other than holding your glasses up.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00But that was discovered, you know what I mean? So they're giving me as much information as they have.
SPEAKER_01So is this it's gotta be related to the human genome, just that that whole mapping. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Wow. One of our guests was involved.
SPEAKER_00They're looking at the functional part of the genome. So we know uh several years back the genome was identified fully, and now they're looking at individual genes and extrapolating it to how best can we perhaps tailor medications, treatment options, and things like that for um to help populations. Let me give you something interesting. I don't have the results yet for this. However, one thing that comes with all of the correspondence I get from all of us research is that they go on and on about counseling whether or not we want certain information. And I have to tick so many boxes after they give me more and more information. For example, forthcoming to me will be genetic predispositions to certain illnesses.
SPEAKER_01Do you want that?
SPEAKER_00And genetic predispositions to certain traits and familial traits. Okay. And before I got to the final yes, no, or I I'm not sure, there were probably six pages of things I had to read and click through.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00What are some of the ramifications? What are some of the downsides? What if how this information can be helpful? How it will not be helpful, what it will not mean things like this, where to get more information. What do you think I've answered? How do you think I've answered? All right, let there were two different decisions I had to make. Um I know how you answer what illnesses or diseases I might be um more susceptible or predisposed to in the future. How might I have answered that?
SPEAKER_01Uh you want to know everything.
SPEAKER_00Hell yeah, baby! Minecraft. Are you kidding me?
SPEAKER_01Release the hounds. Let me tell you, yeah, yeah. I I I I not so much, not so much. Leslie, I I did not intend to talk about this, but this is what I've been thinking about as you described this information, because it's gonna be it's stored somewhere. This whole AI thing. And I don't know if I want to go there, but every time I think about big data, all of this information being collected, the um the and how it all kind of links to artificial intelligence, it scares the bejesus out of me.
SPEAKER_00Me too. But you're right in the middle of it. What do you mean it scares you? What it was so how am I in the middle of it with this um genetic information? What do you mean? Well, I show me, give me the link.
SPEAKER_01The link is um, and I'm not downing it. I'm just saying that I don't my my fear or my um um uh what is that word? Remember that word? The fear of the unknown agnostiphobia. Remember there was a whole club at tech, agnostiphobia? I tell you, we were such geeks. My brother was a part of that. Anyway um, fear of the unknown might have stopped me from becoming involved in that project. Um, I would leave it up to people like you because I think that I think the information is not a good thing.
SPEAKER_00I love that you're doing it. But here's the thing your involvement, remember, you can disclose whether or not you want the information. I guess they will use your information in order to, again, their mission is as I've described.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00But if you're not comfortable or unwilling to get that feedback, you don't need to. Is your concern that you don't want it out there? You just don't want your information out there.
SPEAKER_01I okay, so the other day I had lunch with the executive director of an organization that I'm on the board. Um, and so he was talking about AI, and um I'm like, look, I'm from the um 2000, what is it, 2001 Space Odyssey when Hal um started to take over. I'm like, I'm from that generation, and that scarred me for life. It just scarred me for life. And so um, but he was telling me about, I don't know if this is true, but I think it was true. He was telling me about these robots who started, who created their own language. Like the two robots created a language where they could communicate with each other, but not with the developers, the scientists, and so on. And so the scientists tried to figure out what they were saying at some point when they couldn't, they just pulled the plug their way. They were like, nope, shut this down. I got the axe. They just shut it down.
SPEAKER_00But yeah.
SPEAKER_01So for me, it's more, it's not me getting the information, it's more what are they doing with the information? How is it being used? But but I know that with any any of these types of things, there's the ethical ramifications of it, right? Um because it can be used for good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but there are unscrupulous, unethical entities out there that um, you know, we all know the story of Henrietta Lax.
SPEAKER_01I know, I was thinking about her, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And her genetic information and how sad that went. Look at, I mean, mistrust of the medical system with Tuskegee experiments, with syphilis. Yeah, you know, so we can all point to unethical uses. But on the other hand, as a scientist, as a physician, as a humanitarian, I also think of the good that can be done. And it's for me, it's worth the risk.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I see that.
SPEAKER_00How though is that related to my wanting to know my disease potential? That's just you. That's just me. Yeah, that's just me. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You used to, you used to run, you still do run towards. I was I would be the one to I'm not sure, Les. You're like, come on, let's go check it out. Uh it's okay. I don't because I guess because I'm such a deep thinker, um I think those things, that type of information can um just take me so deep in my head. Um, I don't know if I have enough things that I think about all the time. I don't know if I need to to add any more. But but anyway, so let me ask you this.
SPEAKER_00That just reminds me, you know, how um there are certain diseases, um Huntington's disease and um Lu Garrick's disease was the um I'll say Lugarrick's disease. I'm blocking on the name of the um the official name of the disease.
SPEAKER_01That's not ALS, is it? No.
SPEAKER_00ALS, yes. Where it's um autosomal dominant or a genetic predisposition, and there's a hundred percent likelihood of um getting that disease in the future if you know your genetic makeup, or if your um parent two parents have a disease or whatever. So my question to you is you're 25 years old. You know that either you're carrying the gene for um 90% likelihood of breast cancer in your future or Lou Garrick's disease or whatever the case may be. My question is, would you want to know?
SPEAKER_01Um I probably wouldn't want to know. Um, I think I kind of put it in the same realm of thinking as why I wouldn't want to know. Like when um I was pregnant with um my middle child, right? And because I was over 35, um that was already a trigger for okay, um, the baby may have some abnormalities. So they wanted to do amniosynthesis, and I was going to do it, and on the actual table that I was laying on, I decided not to, because it did not matter to me what the test results would have been. Nothing would have changed, except me maybe preparing eggs, but nothing would have changed. Yeah, but I I just think whatever you're ready for, you're ready for. You're just gonna, you know what I mean? You're yeah, you're gonna do and and whatever you because we're believers, you know.
SPEAKER_00The Lord gives us, he makes us ready for whatever it is.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I just I don't know. I don't know. It's kind of interesting, isn't it? That's why I'm not doing the test, okay?
SPEAKER_00But but there are there are there are people that learn of their predisposition to breast cancers and they prophylactically get their uh bilateral mastectomies.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, um that's one action that you could do right to try to prevent, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I know. I mean, it's I'm not saying that my thinking about it is is rational at all. Um I I just um yeah, I don't know. That's why there are people like you in the world. So you're gonna take care of stuff for me, and then I don't have to worry about that. And I'm sure there are certain things that I take care of for you. I can't think of what they are right now, but I'm sure design choices.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01Design choices. Okay, yeah, sure. The trivial things. Okay, fine. Um, but I I I applaud you for for doing it. I know that it comes from a place of um being helpful and um, you know, just being a leader and and stepping out and doing things for your community, for um humankind. Uh, so that's a beautiful thing. That's a beautiful thing. So um, yeah. So anyway, that was a nice um discussion.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and excited. I'll let you know when the rest of the what do you want to know? When the rest of the results come in.
SPEAKER_01Uh maybe that's a whole that's a whole episode we can do. Maybe that's a whole episode. And I was mentioning that one of our guests actually was a part of the, I think it was prior or when they they were reaching the point where they were gonna map the human genome. They were um brought together, ethicist and medical anthropologist, um, that she's one of those, and to look at the ethical ramifications of what you know was was gonna unfold from this, you know what I mean? And so um maybe we can poke at that a little bit when when we interview her.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, when they air when we air that.
SPEAKER_01So Les.
SPEAKER_00I'll just mention what's coming up for us. Yeah, go. We're trying to plan our getaway. Our uh yes, yeah. We're really that doesn't mean that we're gonna take another hiatus from the podcast. No, we can podcast from any closet anywhere. You might not have a hundred pair of shoes behind you, most of which are my husband's, by the way. You notice I did not mention the TV.
SPEAKER_01I did not mention the TV. Yeah, I'm on TV.
SPEAKER_00Okay, yeah, but there it is. There's the TV. So we're planning our um wellness getaway. Yeah, not our luxury four season um luxurious day. We're looking for like we do it all the time, not this time, not this week. No, we're actually looking for a wellness getaway where we can um we may not be able to podcast that week because um we're going to be off the grid. I well, I don't we need to talk about that.
SPEAKER_01I'm not sure if I want to be off the grid. Off the grid grid.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna be off the grid, but we'll talk about it.
SPEAKER_01Because I want to podcast.
SPEAKER_00I wanna, I wanna, you know, we we we'll see if if if the mood hits us.
SPEAKER_01Okay, you know, all right, and of course we're looking for a black-owned um place and we want to do yoga, we wanna eat yoga for a little bit, healthy eating, um, mind working, yes, body work, mind, mind and body work, yeah. And maybe coming back and just fully going into healthy eating, healthy lifestyle, right? Right, Les?
SPEAKER_02Right, right?
SPEAKER_01Okay, okay. That's the start, that's the gearing up for it.
SPEAKER_00I didn't tell you that part. Well, that's the older, bolder, healthier lifestyle we're looking for. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01Maybe we'll do a challenge or something with our listeners and and kind of get that going. That would be cool. That would be cool. And guess what? A few episodes ago, Leslie talked about not needing um assistive devices for walking, and I think she jinxed me because I have been in a boot because I have tendinitis in my left ankle, and I've been in a boot. And every time I go down the stairs, I think about what she said. I'm like, that damn Leslie, she jinxed me. Why does she even have to say that? So I do not walk with an assistive device, but um, hopefully just for another few weeks and I'll be back to good shape and be able to walk again, like walk around and do my daily walks. So, anyway, all right, Les. Yeah, should we call this a wrap?
SPEAKER_00I think we're we're wrapping, but um yeah, I'm happy to be back. And next week you're gonna hear a dynamic speaker. Yeah, she's gonna excite you, and she's a pleasure to listen to and such a sweet lady. Absolutely. We'll talk about that later.
SPEAKER_01We'll talk about that later. We have some um uh we hope that you will um appreciate the um the some of the the changes, the upgrades, I'll call them, yeah, to our podcast. Yeah, we're really um fortunate to have um brought some some good folks on to help us to expand. Um, we will be starting our YouTube channel since we have the video now and all those things. And so we are glad that you are with us. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00And I promise to get rid of this lip cross. It's time.
SPEAKER_01Could you do it? Yeah, please, Leslie. It works.
SPEAKER_00Please worked for a while, but my lips are sticking together right now.
SPEAKER_01Now you're gonna have to wear Vaseline on your lips to soften them up. Take it off.
SPEAKER_00Well, thank you guys for listening to another episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn.
