Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn
Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn
The Currency of Friendship: How Two Black Boomer Besties View Money
Angella and Leslie explore how our relationship with money evolves over time and how true wealth extends beyond financial success to include joy, freedom, and meaningful connections.
• Money as just one form of currency in our lives
• How entrepreneurship offers freedom beyond financial gain
• The shift in perspective that comes when basic financial needs are met
• Cultural expectations around money, especially for Black women
• Redefining generosity and learning to receive as well as give
• The tension between consumerism and finding contentment with less
• Finding value in emotional support, time, and care that money can't buy
We hope this conversation will cause you to think a little more deeply about what you're giving preeminence in your life, what you're expecting from others, and how to recognize the many forms of wealth that exist beyond one's bank account.
References mentioned in this episode:
Dr Kimani Norrington-Sands’ Job Liberation Summit
https://2025jobliberationsummit.heysummit.com/?ac=KmQBDvM5
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Hey Ant, hey Les, How's it?
Speaker 2:going Going well Good. What was the weather like up there?
Speaker 1:Oh still Wow, High 30s, low 40s in the mornings and evenings.
Speaker 2:I don't like that for you. It snowed last week.
Speaker 1:I showed you the six inches of snow we had in. Massachusetts last weekend. I could not believe it.
Speaker 2:I could not believe it.
Speaker 1:Crazy Lloyd.
Speaker 2:It's balmy 70-something here in North Kakalaki had a beautiful day. It's so cool, I'm not listening, don't have to Anyway welcome the people.
Speaker 1:Hey, welcome to another episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn.
Speaker 2:Brooklyn. I'm Angella and that's Leslie, my best friend of almost 50 years. We are two free thinking, free thinking power to the people Black Boomers and we are here to talk about the stuff that comes up during our days that we give deep, deep, deep thinking to. It may be joyful things, it may be things that are pet peeves, it may be things that are just kind of we're curious about, but it's always entertaining and always something that you can learn from. So we're going to be talking about money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money. We're going to be talking about money and different views on money that we have now, that we used used to have, that we currently have, and how that kind of shows up in our lives because it has come up. It actually came up today.
Speaker 2:Today I was interviewed for a new podcast that a friend of mine actually, he is now a friend. He's a friend to her, he's a friend and a mentor. He was someone, gerard Staten, who was one of my early entrepreneurial mentors, a fantastic guy and he has a new podcast called Staten. The Obvious, isn't that?
Speaker 1:good, oh, that's cute, that's clever, I know.
Speaker 2:So he asked if I could be a guest and I went and we recorded today and one of the things that I talked about that I had already warned him that I would talk about is kind of a new the perspective that I have about entrepreneurship. That is really, I think, uncommon, because people talk about money a lot. When they're talking about entrepreneurship, you know making money, hitting it big, doing all the things, and that's an important aspect of it, aspect of it. But I should say, and one of the things that entrepreneurship has really meant to me is freedom, is liberation, it's joy, it's deciding who to be in community with, deciding who to serve, and all that.
Speaker 2:But, it really got me thinking about this idea of money and how money has changed, how my relationship with money has changed in some ways, in pretty significant ways over time, to where I am now. And just Leslie and I have kind of some different perspectives about money, about consumerism, about this is not like a one is good, one is bad. It's nothing like that at all.
Speaker 1:It's way more nuanced than that.
Speaker 2:Look at you with the nuanced.
Speaker 1:Okay, I see that's what we do, and I raise you no, but it is more nuanced than that.
Speaker 2:And you know, I was with another friend this past week and we're doing shopping and you know shopping is not something that I enjoy, but my friend and this friend here, leslie, they love shopping, they love shopping, they love shopping.
Speaker 1:I love shopping. I'd say I enjoy it. It's up there on my list.
Speaker 2:Okay, top five things. Would it be up there?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But also laundry and grocery shopping would be on that list too. Grocery shopping, yeah yeah yeah, I enjoy enjoy it I don't like it.
Speaker 2:I don't think I ever did I. There were times when I was okay with shopping, but whenever I'm doing kind of big, big shopping, I go and spend time with leslie and do shopping with her, because it's just not something. Yeah, I don't like you know kind of so anyway, we're going to be talking about money and what it means, and a little bit about consumerism and how you guys feel about that and some decisions that we've made about where to spend our money, where not to spend our money and those types of things.
Speaker 2:So it's kind of a broad money topic but I think uncommon in the way that we approach it.
Speaker 1:Now what I thought when you said it came up today. I knew you did the podcast and I kind of forgot about the content, but you and I had probably a good 45-minute telephone conversation and it was intense. And it was intense to the point where here my bestie texted me after and said I hope I wasn't too harsh with you, I said yes, you were, but I forgive you because you know everybody can. What did I tell you? But, I don't know.
Speaker 2:All I read is you forgive me and I moved on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that too, and you can decide, I'm not going to. I didn't want to kind of bring that up because I, you know, I know you didn't want me to get angry with you. I didn't want to put you in a position that made you uncomfortable, because I already felt like I made you uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:I see.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to do that, but I'm open to talking about it and. I've kind of lowered my angst around it.
Speaker 1:So go ahead. So the bottom line about that was that one of the things that you all know about our relationship is that Ange pushes me to think beyond a certain up here. So if my thinking about an issue is here, she often will elevate it and say consider this, it's almost like what I am to other people also, some people may call it a contrarian or whatever, but I like exploring other.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So when we were speaking about a particular money issue, involving another person, actually, and I gave my own ideas about it, she said well, have you considered this? And I don't think that you should look at it this way, and this and et cetera, and one of the things you might do, Les. You see, now I'm getting into it. I don't know if this is what actually happened, but this is what it felt like. You always do such and such and I'm tired of you doing this and you need to. No, that's not. I didn't feel that way.
Speaker 2:No, no, it was more listen and this this is. You know you guys have really, if you've been with us for any length of time, you understand just how incredible our friendship is, and we've never had any real like any kind of lasting conflict in our friendship because we trust each other and we're willing to talk to each other about things.
Speaker 1:And so what I said, and we give each other grace.
Speaker 2:We do a lot of grace, leslie, is that you know, kind of her way of seeing the situation was understandable, but she's better than that. And I want her to be better than that I want her. To be more broad in looking at the different ways, the different things that could be behind, and so not you see someone in a situation why you know it's like it could be like a zillion reasons why. And so anyway, I'm gonna let you decide, now or later, whether you want to talk about it.
Speaker 1:How she led it was that she pointed to me that my stance was not only being judgmental, but I was likely missing the whole picture and then zooming in on a particular aspect. So she expanded it and I considered it. I understood what she meant.
Speaker 2:And I think the part of it too and why this ties to money. You know, money was the core of kind of the triggering part of the conversation, but it was actually kind of bigger than that. It was like what do we value, and what do we value more than money, or what do we value less than money?
Speaker 1:That's how it came.
Speaker 2:It's that kind of thing, yes yes, like you're saying these things about this person that are so high ticket, so high value, but they have these money issues and it's like, and that I'm like wait a minute, do those?
Speaker 1:things. So why are you giving more weight to their lack of money or the reasons? Behind their mismanagement, and I'm not saying they do or managing Right came up and it's like you know what there are no accidents in this conversation, you know there's a reason why we're talking about it in this way. So yeah. So tell me about your views on your entrepreneurial journey, because at the time when you left corporate, you obviously, when you left corporate, you obviously, you know, took a substantial pay cut.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you seem to be okay with that.
Speaker 2:I was a little, but yeah, Well, you know it's that you have to invest in anything that you're building. There's an investment time. It's like, you know, whatever you invest in R&D and then you hope to recoup the money right, real estate or whatever you invest you fix up and then you hope that after a year there's a break even and then, beyond that, it's money in the bank. And so there's that. There's, there's that um, but one of the things that I talked about on um the podcast, and I don't know what is going to be left in. I won't talk too much about it, um, I don't know what's going to be edited out or whatever, but I talked about how, um, at the end of every year, I would kind of assess okay, this is where you are right now. Are you going to stay in this? Are you going to look at the money, look at all the things you need to look at, look at the goals that you had in terms of aligning your work with your values you know, being a role model to my children, that they have other options and at the end of every year, I would kind of look at that and decide whether I was going to go back to getting a paycheck from someone else or stay in this entrepreneurial thing and one of the reasons that made me stay beyond being stubborn and not just I have never learned how to fail.
Speaker 2:Okay, what do I mean by that? I know how to pivot. I know how to fail. Okay, what do I mean by that? I know how to pivot. I know how to make life Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I know. If there's an obstacle in front of me, I find ways to get around it. And we're not going to go into the whole failure thing. That's another conversation because it is a deep and revealing topic. But I had reached a point where I just I trusted myself so much and trusted where God was taking me so much. I couldn't not trust myself. I didn't know how to do that.
Speaker 2:I didn't know how to say okay, this is working and this will never work.
Speaker 1:You know, this isn't working.
Speaker 2:This will never work.
Speaker 1:You mentioned faith, but also that's your character and your personality, and I think both of us have that type of mindset where we don't look at it as failure or wasted time or something like that. I mean we are able to extract education and learning from all of our experiences from entrepreneurship from work life, from professionalism, from relationships, all of those things.
Speaker 1:So, you also have that ability to pivot from one, so you don't look at it as failure. Oh, I wasted my time, or whatever. If it requires some type of change or altering or what have you, you don't angst about that.
Speaker 2:Or I don't angst to the point of, you know, throwing my hands up and going under a rock and yeah, yeah, you don't get under a cover with your thumb in your mouth.
Speaker 2:But here's where it ties to money, right, and where I see money. Now I see and let's just talk about money, not kind of the value of money and what money brings you, just kind of really basic money and joy being not tied to money, money and then joy, and then family, whatever, right, let's talk about money started to realize is that there was so much more that I was gaining from staying in the entrepreneur lane than the money that I was earning. There was so much more about choice, about you guys know, we talk about joy all the time, about joy and how I was being led so much towards joy.
Speaker 2:That those things started to have a higher rank for me than what my P&L said, because of all the ways that I was growing as a person by being an entrepreneur and trying new things and thinking about who I wanted to serve and how I wanted to serve them and what were my commitments and how was I finding or being in community, and all of those things just started to edge up over whatever that financial bottom line was and so I started to kind of, and there was a lot of worry about the money part.
Speaker 2:I figured yeah, yeah, I mean, that was real. What I'm saying is that I started to shift and stop thinking that if you didn't make this much, then you failed, because there was so much I was gaining.
Speaker 1:I get it, I get it Right. And so much of that difficulty comes and it's countercultural. I get it, I get it Right, you know so, and so much of that difficulty comes in it's it's countercultural. Yeah, absolutely. It's certainly countercultural, being from the Caribbean.
Speaker 2:Right, which is one thing, but also it's, it's like you mean you only you don't have five jobs.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, but it's also anti-American thought in a way. You know it's like you know, so you get it from both ends. You know, we have a friend who you know, if, if she, if, if she, if they know that you're doing a particular thing, it's like okay, but how much is that? How much are you going to get from that Are?
Speaker 2:they paying you? Is it this or whatever you know?
Speaker 1:discounting the non-monetary or non-financial gains that may come in that respect you know, so we look at, well, what do you do?
Speaker 1:And then what does it produce? And very often I had the occasion where someone asked me recently, you know what do you do? And what I could have said is you know, I bring ease to people at a time of great anxiety. Go ahead, liz. You know, go ahead. Okay, I'm really an anesthesiologist and she would. You know, I bring ease. It's like what are you some kind of guru? I remove people's pain, whatever. You know, what are you? Sprinkle some fairy? No, I just push the propofol In the right place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but again. So, in addition to dealing with the entrepreneurship, you also have to deal with some of the external inputs that come your way when you know you're mucking up against. Am I enough? Am I is?
Speaker 2:this. Oh, all of that stuff, all of that stuff and one of the really I can't say the word enough. One of the joyful things about my life now is where. Oh you want to talk about me right now not yet not yet, okay, okay she can't help herself.
Speaker 2:Um, is that I am so content with what I have I'm, I'm so like, and it has nothing to do with ambition. It has nothing to do with feeling. You know like. You know what you don't want more you don't. This is not enough. I am in such a place of like I don't want to. I'm very judicious about what I buy, because I'm thinking about if I buy this thing, I have to know where I'm going to store it and I'm planning to move. Do I need?
Speaker 2:another box for this new stuff that I'm trying to get rid of, stuff. I'm not trying to buy stuff Like we were talking the other day about, because you know we have a high school reunion coming up, right. And so Leslie, miss Planner is weeks ago, she's starting to plan her outfit. I have to, you know, right. And so she's like, ok, I'm going to buy these things.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, another thing about Les it doesn't matter whether it's online or whatever. You're giving away all our secrets, hold on All my secrets?
Speaker 2:What if it was private? This is not private. Ok, she is someone that she will. She doesn't really like to try things on. I never try things on in the dressing room, right? She'll buy all the things and then try it on at home and, you know, put it on with stuff that she has. It makes total sense.
Speaker 1:Yes, I buy two sizes Plus she loves to shop.
Speaker 2:Whatever, did I mention that part? She loves to shop and so she's planning these outfits and you know she's kind of really enjoying the process and me, on the other hand, she Ange what are you wearing?
Speaker 1:What are you wearing? And then the music stopped.
Speaker 2:So I took a little trip and she's like well, maybe when you're there you can do some shopping.
Speaker 1:Well, the reason I pushed you one, because it's not a natural thing that you run toward.
Speaker 2:And I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1:Who is going to pay, with the angst that you come with when you can't find anything to wear, or you know when, oh, I don't like the way I look. And then you know the school. It's like I know how this. I've seen this movie before, so I'm just saying plan early.
Speaker 2:You don't know me, leslie, you don't know me.
Speaker 1:You know, start early, you know.
Speaker 2:But all I'm thinking about is do I need this? It's something else that I'm bringing home.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean and I don't know. It's this whole thing about spending and buying. And then you kind of superimpose that with some of the decisions that you and I and many other people have made around where to spend our money, um, where we're not gonna spend our money, and all that stuff. It's just kind of um, I don't know. Money is such a. What did you say to me the other the other day? You said um, you said ang, the only people who, the only people who worry about money are the people who don't have it okay, let me explain okay, I mean, that's almost like captain obvious, but go ahead but, because there's a corollary to that too, okay, you say it.
Speaker 1:What's a corollary to that too? Okay, you say it.
Speaker 2:What's the corollary to that?
Speaker 1:What I've always said is that and you know I come from modest means for sure you know and I've only, you know, been financially comfortable.
Speaker 1:You know, in my recent adult years I would say. But, you know, growing up and in my early years you know, 20 something or whatever, early adult years I'd say I always thought that I should have more money, that I need more money in order to do this. And obviously it makes sense, you need to eat and pay your rent. But it was only until I made enough money that I realized that money ain't everything. In fact, money's not a lot of things. Right, right, you know, but who can you tell that to?
Speaker 1:You can only have that conversation with someone who has enough money. And then it is that we realize that you know what Connection.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Love. Right, you know I mean people know that I've recently divorced. It's like the money didn't save us you know. So once you have money, it's like okay, now the work begins. You know that it breaks up relationships. That's not what broke up my relationship, but it can come in between relationships and stuff, but it's only when you get past the point of lack, do you start thinking that, wow, okay, what else is there now? You know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I was thinking about the situation that I was in when you said that, and I'm like you know, leslie, you are so right. What happened was I was invited to take a trip with a new friend and they were going to pay for the trip and I hesitated. You know, I don't know if I should do this because my money is kind of geared towards my moving abroad and this it would have been a significant amount of money and this person offered and you know it's like you're, you're, you're taught to that money is the thing to hold most, most precious, do you know?
Speaker 2:me like somebody could give you their time. Yes, they could give you their love. They could give you their good down home footing at cooking, yeah.
Speaker 1:But when they give you their money, yeah, that's a big deal if they give you their money. It becomes so much bigger yeah.
Speaker 2:So much more. And so when Leslie said, you know, and money is just an issue with people, don't have it. One of the first things I thought of is that I had done the same thing many years ago. Same thing. I was flowing in the dough and I'm like listen, I want you to be where I am, don't worry about it, just carve out the time, here's how to get here, type of thing. And I've done that and I felt the same thing. It's like why there's no obstacle here?
Speaker 1:Money is not in the way of us getting what we want.
Speaker 2:So why are we making it get in the way Right?
Speaker 1:And you and I have had these talks over the years too. It's like if I want to go on vacation, of course, over the years too, you know, it's like if I want to go on vacation of course I want to go with my bestie, so here's the tickets.
Speaker 2:Let's go. I know.
Speaker 1:You know, let's go. And we go, amazing times, I remember that one time you said you know I need to talk to you about something. Do you remember that I? Do we were in a hotel in New York.
Speaker 2:I believe, yeah, it was a ooh, it was a ooh, it was ooh. But anyway, because that's what we do.
Speaker 1:Didn't we have a great weekend then?
Speaker 2:But anyway, oh my gosh. It was beautiful.
Speaker 1:Fly out the museum.
Speaker 2:Afrofuturism.
Speaker 1:It was just an amazing weekend yeah, we had a great weekend.
Speaker 2:We went to a dance performance. It was an amazing weekend. Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Sorry, it was amazing, but you said, you know like I feel a little funny about the money that you spend and this, and I'm, like you know, at this stage in my life I thank God that money doesn't have the same meaning for me that it does for many people and the experiences and the way that I use money as a tool for joy, togetherness, happiness and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:That's why, in my opinion, I'm very generous and I give freely. For a few reasons. One, because it makes me so happy to see people I love and adore enjoy some of the things that I enjoy regularly. But not only that I am the first to tell folks that I stand on the shoulders of giants and the reason that I am able to have the things that I have and I absolutely did not do this by myself. This lady right here has been so supportive of my journey into medicine and into whatever you know. My family has been so supportive and I could not have done it without those people who I tried to take care of now. So we've all. This journey is for everybody you know, this journey.
Speaker 1:So how dare you say you know I shouldn't spend you know money. You know I'm not going to be eating cat food. You know if we go away for the weekend. So you know what I mean. I'm just I'm being flippant about it, yeah, but I really just look at money a little bit differently than some people do Right and it's a blessing.
Speaker 2:It is. It is a blessing and I'll tell you from my side, some of the shifts that I have to, I have forced myself to make and it's becoming easier and easier is to see how my generosity, in whatever form it comes in, also has huge value. It's currency, right.
Speaker 1:It's currency, it's currency, and so it's kind of so. It's not a one-sided thing, right? It's currency, it's currency, and so it's kind of so it's not a one-sided thing that. Leslie is doing all or whatever. No, we all bring currency to relationships.
Speaker 2:Right, right, and so it's kind of it's breaking the idea of this thing has more value than this thing, right? If someone gives you money, it has more value than you giving someone your time. You giving someone, your counsel, you giving someone, your, whatever your cooking or whichever way that you show love to someone else. So I literally have to break this. Yes, and it's a part of my training to say yes to things, but Ange, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:The culture that we've, the waters that we've been swimming in, that we've been swimming in. I was raised that you know your partner is supposed to make more money than you are, is supposed to take care of you financially. And it wasn't really drummed into me that providing love, companionship, social and emotional support was as important as what can they do for you financially, so whether it was a forward-thinking thought or not, it was in there somewhere that I married a physician Before you became one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and you know, because it was like that was the vision or the view of the things that were important. So we acquired the white picket fence and the house on the corner and the multiple cars and the this and that and whatever. And then when you have those things, when now you can pay all your bills on time. Do you start about?
Speaker 2:it's like well what does my heart feel like?
Speaker 1:You know, does this person really know, or feed my soul, or you know?
Speaker 2:I would just go, are my feet?
Speaker 1:getting rubbed and then, after decades of that, that's when it turned and I realized that, wait a minute, you know the bank accounts or the material things. It's still not filling that hole. That's there, right? Yeah, you know. And yeah, this money thing man. It's crazy, it's crazy because just think of it this way. Now I'm going to bring in another thing my current love. He does not make as much money as I do, as I do, but he brings so much more currency to the relationship.
Speaker 1:So he doesn't bring the dollars to the relationship, but he brings so much more than I do, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean From the nurturing, from the cooking to the supportive or whatever.
Speaker 1:I was on call last night and after getting home at 1.15 in the morning, my phone rings again in a half hour and I had to go back into the hospital after 2 am and we were speaking on the phone. And we were speaking on the phone and he says you know, if I were there I would drive you there and just wait for you with my iPad in the waiting room.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:You know while. I'm in the OR working. Yeah, you know, just to make sure that I'm driving safely and not tired or whatever it's like. Who can put a price on? Something like that.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, or whatever it's like.
Speaker 1:Who can put a price on something like that? Absolutely yeah, but as a young, you know Black woman growing up, these are not the things that I was taught were the most important things you know. Coming from a mom who was a single parent and often had, you know, financial difficulties at some points, you know obviously she wants her children to be financially stable and well cared for.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And we look at that through the dollar sign lens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a whole retraining.
Speaker 2:that it really is.
Speaker 1:It really is we have to do yeah.
Speaker 1:And then what subliminal messages are we leaving to our children and offspring? And things like that. You know you got to do this. This is the path, and I know I fall, I'm guilty of that too. This is the path that you go. So you go to school, you go straight no deviations in this and then you get this. Then you get the good job, and then you stay at the good job until you know. Leave early, retire early, go into personal entrepreneurship. Who does that? You know, leave your good job. And whatever I sound like, our friend Dr Kamani, you know your good job.
Speaker 2:By the way.
Speaker 1:the Job Liberation Summit is coming up. The Job Liberation Summit, so you?
Speaker 2:guys, make sure we'll put a link. What are the dates? Do you have them, les? I think it's the 16th, may 16th to May 18th. Yeah, so it's the 16th May 16th to May 18th.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's a virtual summit and she is an expert in toxic jobs and showing people that there is a way out of that situation. Obviously, it's like how am I going to support myself? What am I going to do? But I got a pension, I got a 401k, I got kids and this it's like calm down, we got you we have some good information for you, so yeah, yeah that's dr kimani's dr kimani yeah, um.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's um, it's been, it's been a journey um. I'm so grateful that you know I've had that big house on the hill. Yeah, I've recognized that. I don't want that anymore.
Speaker 1:That's not, you know.
Speaker 2:It's like no, no, been there, done that there are other things. You know what I mean, and I guess this is what happens when you get to a certain age at night, that you've had all these experiences and you can kind of tease out what you want to keep from them and what you want to set aside, I mean because, if nothing else, you start remembering.
Speaker 1:Well, when was it when my heart felt the most content and when did I feel the most joy? Was it?
Speaker 1:sitting in my beautiful backyard looking at the koi pond and this and that it was beautiful. But no, yeah, you know, but no, I'm living smaller and I'm welcoming that. But yeah, I really think that this stage of our lives, if this is the last stage of our lives or however direction we're going in, I love the fact that we are really starting to weed out the mess and the things that is passing the passing the is it important?
Speaker 1:test correct you know, is it true just like you called me on it when I, when I said you know complaining about it, she's like, well, les, is it really true? Think about this, or whatever. Yeah, woe to those folks that don't check themselves, not the woe to Leslie.
Speaker 1:But you know it's like yeah you know, you know you need that. Who was it that said something about an unexamined life? Yes, yeah, yeah, it's true. I mean, for goodness sake, I know many elders and elderly people that are living in the same way, that they've lived, with the same mindsets that they've lived in their 20s and 30s, and the problem with that is that they're encountering the same difficulties that they've had all their lives They've not been able to emancipate themselves from that Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery.
Speaker 2:None but ourselves can free our minds. Okay, that's all the Bob you will hear from me tonight. I think, I have a soundtrack playing in my head all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we hope this conversation will cause you to think a little more deeply, to just examine these things.
Speaker 1:You know, what are you kind of giving preeminence in?
Speaker 2:your life, of giving preeminence in your life, what are you kind of expecting from others, and things like that.
Speaker 1:Touching on some of the things that we talked about here. That's why we come to you every week, so this has been another episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn. I'll drink to that.
