A FaceTime that wouldn’t connect, a birthday ice cream run, and a red box hidden under a saucer—then four words that change everything: will you marry me? We’re celebrating a surprise engagement that’s decades in the making and unpacking what it means to choose love, with clarity, later in life.

We retrace the moment—how he kept a three-month secret, returned the first ring, and enlisted his sister to find the one that felt right. From there, we go deeper: how our definition of love has shifted from a word to a practice, how small gestures keep closeness alive, and why time, at 63, sharpens decisions. We talk openly about the past marriage, the therapy that helps us own our part, and the language tweaks that prevent a casual “I don’t care” from stepping on someone else’s joy. The wedding conversation gets real: he wants one, she could elope, and we’re designing a plan that respects both preferences without defaulting to old scripts about gender or tradition.

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Chapter Markers

• 0:00
  Welcome & Big News Tease
• 0:30
  The Proposal Reveal
• 4:30
  How He Planned the Ring
• 8:30
  Love Revisited After 40 Years
• 12:30
  Choosing Love as a Verb
• 17:30
  On Aging, Time, and Clarity
• 21:00
  Healing From Past Marriage
• 25:00
  Long Engagement, Logistics, Home Reno
• 29:00
  Gender Roles, Weddings, and Language
• 35:30
  Owning Feelings Without Dimming Joy

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Two best friends trade wildcard questions about possibility, mortality, love, and “enough,” mixing belly laughs with clear-eyed truth. We unpack being overlooked, parenting triggers, belonging in medicine, and building a good life rooted in self-agency and joy.

Thank you for listening. We really appreciate you. And we appreciate our Patreon subscribers too. You can join our Patreon Besties Squad Squad for a five or ten dollar monthly pledge. It helps us, and we can bring new content new content to you.

Chapter Markers

• 0:00
   Reunion, Exhaustion, and Warm-Up Banter
• 2:54
   Who We Are and Why We’re Here
• 3:45
   The Wildcard Framework Explained
• 5:05
   Possibility vs. Limits: “Nothing’s Unreachable”
• 7:35
   Mortality and Radical Preparedness
• 10:45
   Being Overlooked and Proving Yourself
• 13:07
   Motherhood, Boundaries, and Defensiveness
• 16:00
   Age, Love, and the Art of Letting In
• 19:04
   Belonging in Medicine and Family
• 21:30
   Working With Difference Without Friction
• 24:20
   Defining a Good Life and “Enough”
• 35:40
   Gratitude and Patreon Sign-Off

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Besties Angella and Leslie, two 60-something year old Black women, reveal their concerns over artificial intelligence and explore how AI can enhance rather than threaten their lives.

They reference an episode of John Hope Bryant’s Money and Wealth podcast entitled “How Black America Can Win with AI” where Bryant and his guests Van Jones and Sheldon Gilbert illustrate how AI can serve as a “survival guide, a playbook and a warning label”

How Black America Can Win with AI | John Hope Bryant, Van Jones & Sheldon Gilbert

The Besties advise not to be afraid to start engaging with AI tools like ChatGPT—find the voices you trust who are talking about AI and find your entry point, because the opportunity window is easily accessible.

Chapter Markers

0:00 Meet the Black Boomer Besties

1:00 AI is Already Everywhere

5:33 Black Voices in the AI Revolution

10:22 Angella's Chat GPT Experiment

19:00 The Human Side of AI Interaction

27:30 Finding Your AI Entry Point

37:00 Practical Applications in Education and Healthcare

43:20 Creating Opportunity with AI Agents

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The Besties explore their fears about moving to Panama while choosing to let joy shine through instead of letting fear take control. This candid conversation reveals their concerns about relocating abroad and how they're working through them to embrace this life-changing adventure.

Chapter Markers:

0:00 Reconnecting and Introduction

2:39 Fears About Language Barriers

15:20 Missing Family and Leaving Children

20:05 Career Identity and Financial Concerns

29:14 Death Planning and Residency Status

35:14 Living Together in Close Quarters

46:25 Privilege of Options and Final Thoughts

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Dr. Dianah Lake shares her journey from personal crisis to fitness transformation, creating a holistic wellness program specifically designed for high-achieving women who prioritize everyone else's needs above their own. Her approach addresses not just physical fitness but mental health, hormonal balance, and the unique challenges women face during perimenopause and menopause.

Dr Di Fitness Facebook Page

0:00
Meet Dr. Dianah Lake

6:09
Finding Fitness Through Personal Crisis

13:41
Self-Agency and Commitment to Wellness

21:49
The Program: More Than Weight Loss

31:37
Inflammation, Menopause, and Nutrition

38:24
Building Community and Finding Resources

44:07
Final Thoughts and Upcoming Retreat

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Angella and Leslie explore how choosing joy over fear transformed their lives, particularly in relationships. They share personal stories about leaving marriages that weren't serving them, despite the comfort of familiarity and fear of the unknown.

Chapter Markers:

0:00 Welcome to Black Boomer Besties

5:02 Choosing Joy Over Fear

13:17 Angella's Marriage Journey

22:00 Leslie's Decades-Long Marriage

33:10 The Beautiful Home That Wasn't Happy

41:20 Fear of Leaving vs. Finding Joy

47:00 Finding Love and Joy Again

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Michelle Malawer is a money coach for women.  She joins The Besties to explore how unresolved financial issues may create barriers to joy and fulfillment in our lives.

She explains that money struggles affect people at all income levels. Her coaching focuses on understanding the stories and mindsets behind money behaviors, not just numerical solutions.  Michelle recognizes that financial shame often prevents us from seeking help or having honest conversations about money so she provides a safe space to delve deeper into her clients ideas about money and financial management.

Michelle offers various coaching options including three and six-month packages, money deep dives, and a free money book club for women

Connect with Michelle Malawer on LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michellemalawer/

Chapter Markers:

0:00

Meet the Black Boomer Besties

1:29

Introducing Money Coach Michelle Malawer

5:15

Angela's Financial Journey Begins

11:14

The Money Mindset Beyond Math

19:25

Breaking Through Money Shame

28:04

From Debt to Freedom

38:17

Transforming Your Relationship with Money

40:17

Connect with Michelle and resources

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Black Girls Go Global is changing the world through their one-week STEAM educational program where young Black women travel internationally to learn about sustainable development. Board members Rolanda Goodwin and Lisa Randolph share how this organization is creating pathways for Black girls in STEAM fields where only 2% of the workforce is African American women.

Visit blackgirlsgoglobal.org (IG: https://www.instagram.com/black_girls_go_global to learn more about supporting this organization through volunteering on their committees or becoming a monthly donor. With Black women making up only 2% of the STEM workforce, your support helps create essential pathways for the next generation.

Chapter Markers:

• 0:00
  Introducing Black Girls Go Global
• 9:24
  The Genesis of a Movement
• 17:18
  STEAM vs STEM: Adding Art to the Equation
• 22:20
  Breaking Barriers in Representation
• 29:10
  Costa Rica Experience: Hands-On Learning
• 33:07
  Legacy Work and Board Commitment
• 38:02
  How to Support: Resources and Funding
• 42:13
  The Numbers: Why This Matters

References mentioned:

The Hidden Women of STEM | Alexis Scott | TEDxMountainViewCollege

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When Emory University professor and scholar Dr. Karida L. Brown began researching America's segregated education system, she didn't expect to uncover a radical history of resistance, innovation, and profound courage. Yet after eight years of meticulous archival work across America and South Africa, that's exactly what she found.

Dr Brown’s latest book, "The Battle for the Black Mind" reveals extraordinary stories of Black women educators who created schools with nothing but vision and determination. Mary Smith Peake risked everything to teach enslaved people to read two decades before Emancipation, establishing a freedom school under an oak tree that still stands on Hampton University's campus today. Lucy Craft Laney built the Haines Normal and Industrial Institute from a church basement into a sprawling educational center spanning two city blocks in Jim Crow Georgia, including the state's first Black nursing school.

Dr Brown, who currently serves on the board of The Obama Presidency Oral History Project, calls these nearly forgotten powerhouses and others like them “Freedom Dreamers”.  She says that, "Freedom dreaming is the most radical form of political imagination."

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• 0:00
  Meeting Dr. Karida Brown
• 8:18
  The Battle for the Black Mind
• 20:16
  Mary Smith Peake's Freedom School
• 31:02
  Black Americans Birthed Public Education
• 39:06
  Lucy Craft Laney's Educational Legacy
• 47:31
  Battle for Education: Competing Interests
• 50:17
  Freedom Dreams for Today's Challenges

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This week Besties Angella and Leslie explore how to invest now to create a future that their older selves will thank them for. They were inspired by an 82-year-old patient who's maintained friendships since high school and lives vibrantly in her ninth decade.

0:00
Welcome to Black Boomer Besties

2:05
An 82-Year-Old Inspiration

6:20
Future Self Letters and Financial Preparedness

15:40
Health 2.0: Physical Fitness for Aging

22:57
Lymphatic Health and Body Maintenance

27:17
Messages from Present to Past Self

34:02
Gratitude for Emotional Resilience

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Dr. Hervé Damas shares his transformative journey from NFL player to cannabis wellness pioneer, sparked by his mother's cancer recurrence and her powerful challenge to him to find his true purpose. His path through medical school, personal health struggles, and ultimately walking away from a lucrative radiology career demonstrates the power of betting on yourself when facing life's greatest challenges.
References:Dr. Damas CBD
https://www.instagram.com/doctordamas/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/drdamascbd/?hl=en

Dr. Herve Damas On Benefits Of CBDhttps://youtu.be/rT5iQOopTv0?si=YcwA-G3l3MFOehEV
#FlowertothePeople: How CBD May Be Able to Help With PMS With Dr. Damashttps://youtu.be/JKgqIT9TjPo?si=MT4bEpAEEtPW4Ewi
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Dr. Hervé Damas, founder of Dr. Damas CBD, shares his riveting journey from a student at NYC’s prestigious Brooklyn Technical High School (The Bestie’s alma mater) to becoming a successful cannabis pioneer and entrepreneur.  

With a few amazing milestones achieved along the way- All American scholar-athlete, NFL linebacker, college professor, and physician, Dr Damas is truly a modern day Renaissance Man.

Besties Angella and Leslie allow his nail-biting story to unfold over two episodes, determined to go beyond the highlights to the parts that inspire you to zig when life zags. 

Be sure to tune in next week for Part 2 where his mother’s keen observation set Damas up to becoming the health and wellness leader he is today.

References:

Dr. Herve Damas On Benefits Of CBD

https://youtu.be/rT5iQOopTv0?si=YcwA-G3l3MFOehEV

#FlowertothePeople: How CBD May Be Able to Help With PMS With Dr. Damas

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When Leslie confesses she approached Angie for career coaching because "I'm not good at too many things”, the statement stops Angie in her tracks, considering Leslie is an accomplished anesthesiologist who returned to medical school at 36 as a single parent.

This moment of disconnect between achievement and self-perception becomes the catalyst for exploring why we struggle to recognize our own worth.

Their honest exchange demonstrates how trusted relationships can help us challenge our limiting beliefs and see ourselves more clearly.

Ready to examine your own self-imposed limitations? Join us for this eye-opening conversation that might just change how you view your own journey. And if you're looking for more guidance on living joyfully, check out Angela's book "We're Too Old For This"—because at a certain point, we've lived more days than we have left, and we're simply too old to delay joy.

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The Besties talk about joy A LOT! And want to make sure that people are getting its true meaning, and what it’s not, to stay clear of all the toxic positivity out there.

Toxic positivity occurs when people don't allow themselves or others to experience hard emotions, quickly trying to move them to a "positive" place.

Joy requires going through difficulty and sometimes involves setting boundaries or doing hard things for long-term fulfillment, and boy is it worth it!

Links to references:

The Messy Middle | Pastor Desiree Elder | FCBCNYC

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What makes friendships last?  The Besties have not only been blessed with their long-standing relationship, but have many others that are intact since elementary school.

They change, yes, but there are some key components that make them last.  This week’s episode explores the boundaries, curations, and grace that are behind their friendship successes. 

Some topics covered:

• Zero tolerance for gossip and strict confidentiality are core values in their friendship culture

• Learning when to offer validation versus objective perspective takes time in any relationship

• The "urgency of now" reminds us to prioritize meaningful connections in our later years

• A practical friendship filter: would you allow your children to spend time with this person?

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Besties Angella and Leslie bring you another episode in The Year of the Menopause series with the return of Dr Toni Otway, a Board Certified OB/GYN physician. She discusses that cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in women, yet the connection between menopause and heart health remains dangerously under-discussed. Dr. Otway explains how dropping estrogen levels during menopause dramatically increase women's heart disease risk.

• Estrogen protects cardiovascular health by keeping blood vessels flexible, reducing inflammation, and helping manage cholesterol

• Women's heart attack symptoms often differ from men's classic chest pain, presenting instead as fatigue, shortness of breath, or indigestion

• CDC reports 6% of women over 20 already show signs of cardiovascular disease

• Pregnancy complications like gestational diabetes and preeclampsia are significant risk factors for future heart disease

• Hormone replacement therapy offers cardiovascular benefits when started early in menopause transition

• Women must advocate for themselves against medical gaslighting and ensure doctors follow appropriate screening guidelines

• Prevention through lifestyle changes remains essential alongside appropriate medication when necessary

Don't forget to schedule your regular health screenings and pay attention to changes in your body – your heart health depends on it.

Resources referenced:

https://www.njbwpa.com/

https://njnma.org/

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The Besties share their most surprising discoveries from their recent first trip to Panama. They reveal unexpected aspects of Panamanian life that weren't evident from their research before visiting, some are:

• Panama's modern, clean subway 

• Spanish language proficiency is more essential than expected, especially outside tourist areas

• The extent of Panama City's skyline 

• The Albrook Mall is massive and bustling, unlike many declining American shopping centers

• Strong Caribbean cultural influence evident in food, accents, and customs

• Diverse population with Spanish, indigenous, and Afro-Caribbean representation

• Extensive road and transportation infrastructure development underway

• Safe tap water in Panama City, unlike many other Latin American destinations

Stay tuned: they’re definitely going back to Panama soon to continue their exploration. 

References in this episode:

Afro-Antillean Museum of Panama (Museo Afro-Antillano de Panama)

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Inspired by Rachel Martin's "Wild Card" podcast, this week, The Besties tackle questions they've never publicly addressed before, creating moments of both profound insight and lighthearted humor.

The episode unfolds with vulnerability as they explore, out loud, deeply personal remembrances like when they first realized their parents weren't infallible beings, when they first felt deep pride in themselves, and  what beliefs they no longer hold. 

What makes this exchange special is how they navigate these vulnerable territories—pushing each other toward growth while honoring boundaries, demonstrating the beautiful complexity of deep friendship between two sixty-something Black women who've witnessed each other's evolution through decades of life's challenges. 

Their willingness to question long-held beliefs and share these journeys invites listeners to examine their own life perspectives and the relationships that have shaped them

References mentioned:

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510379/wild-card-with-rachel-martin

Here’s a wonderful conversation with Wanda Sykes:

Wanda Sykes on why fear isn't a big deal, coming out when she was ready and her new stand-up special

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Two longtime friends, Lenora Norman & Tiffany Knotts share how they built an unexpected sisterhood through motorcycle riding and the creation of Smok’n Jewl’z Motorcycle Club. Their journey reveals how finding your passion can lead to deep connections, freedom, and joy at any age.

The Besties encourage you to find your thing, find your people, and live your joy. Life's too short not to embrace adventures that speak to your soul.

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Angella and Leslie explore how negative influences from their past unexpectedly became catalysts for success and personal growth. They reflect on how criticism and doubt from authority figures and partners shaped their determination rather than diminishing their spirit.

References mentioned in this episode:

Someone’s Thunder Podcast

Angela Pierce and Stephanie Klapper

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/angella-fraser-leslie-osei-tutu-of-black-boomer/id1551193017?i=1000614949405

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The Besties are still on their vacay so here’s another blast from the past.  Originally aired in October 2023, our guest

Dr. Maria Sophocles, a Board-Certified OB-GYN and Medical Director of Women's Healthcare of Princeton, unveils shocking truths about female sexual health and pleasure that have been systematically ignored by medical education for centuries. 

Angie was aghast by the fact that there is so much her generation was never taught about this unique part of our bodies:

• full anatomy of the clitoris wasn't correctly included in medical textbooks until 2005, reflecting how patriarchal values have influenced medical science
• It’s not a “tip” but an eight-centimeter organ with 15,000 nerve endings
• It is an organ solely designed by The Creator for pleasure

Tune in for even more “who knew!” revelations with Ang & Les, your favorite Besties!

More from Maria:

TED: What Happens to Sex in Midlife? A Look at the “Bedroom Gap” | Maria Sophocles | TED

https://youtu.be/alYBnyxMuPk?si=LxqY1IuXm71BSNbk

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Did you know that the Besties have another Bestie?  It’s actor, comedian, author and coach Kim Coles. As the dear friend she is, she came onto Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn podcast when we were wee podcasters. So in celebration of her new  podcast with her Living Single costar Erika Alexander, we thought we would replay our conversation with her when she closed out our first season.

Then enjoy Kim's new podacst:

Judging by the Pilot | S1 E1 | ReLiving Single Podcasthttps://youtu.be/QLJYkF3b7QY?si=S4utV8iYcmkvN9rc

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Licensed Clinical Psychologist Dr. Kimani Norrington-Sands returns with co-host Social Worker Marissa Price to discuss their annual Job Liberation Summit, a virtual event designed to help Black women escape toxic workplaces on their own timeline with support and resources.

• Toxic jobs trigger our brain's fear response, preventing access to the areas of the brain needed for planning

• Chronic workplace stress causes physiologic harm which can lead to  accelerated aging of organs

• Black women often stay in harmful jobs due to financial concerns or fear starting over

• The Job Liberation Summit provides comprehensive resources including financial exit planning, health insurance considerations, and retirement options

• Community support from other Black women provides validation and healing from workplace trauma

• Skills learned at the summit can be applied to other toxic situations beyond the workplace

Register for the Job Liberation Summit happening May 16-18, 2023, with bonus sessions through May 21st. Register here:

https://2025jobliberationsummit.heysummit.com/?ac=KmQBDvM5

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Leslie and Angella take you through their emotional journey at the Brooklyn Technical High School 45th reunion. This isn't just any school gathering – it's a celebration of one of America's premier STEM education institutions and the diverse bonds that have endured nearly half a century.

The most remarkable aspect? Watching a room filled with people from different racial, cultural, and political backgrounds leave their differences at the door and simply celebrate their shared history. 

 This heartwarming episode reminds us all that while time marches forward and our numbers gradually diminish, the connections formed in our youth can provide lifelong strength, joy, and perspective. 

Join us for this celebration of friendship, diversity, and the enduring spirit of the Brooklyn Technites!

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We're together in person for this impromptu episode during our busy "Gala Week." Despite exhaustion, we're sharing updates as we prepare for our upcoming 45th Reunion from Brooklyn Technical High School.

• Brooklyn Tech is the largest high school in the United States
• Brooklyn Tech has produced six Nobel laureates and numerous distinguished graduates
• Our high school friendships have endured for nearly five decades
• We’re grateful for listener support that keeps us motivated to show up weekly

Stay tuned for next week's episode where we'll bring you the joy and memories from our Class of 1980 reunion celebrations!

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