The Besties trace Angella’s pivots from a 30 plus year corporate career in IT to becoming an entrepreneur who works in theater, showing how one bold choice can open a chain of unexpected doors. Craft, culture and courage meet in scenes from The Color Purple, Motown design, and a 40+ wig design for Legally Blonde The Musical.
The heart of the episode explores how many of us, especially Boomers, are wired for “surety”—the prescribed path through degrees, titles, and predictable outcomes but that training often punishes creative risk and keeps us from starting at all.
The episode closes with a call to those who might be feeling a rumble of discontent. Not everyone must rock the boat but if you are restless it might be worth investigate it.
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The Besties share a candid and honest account of navigating a son’s sudden critical illness while balancing the roles of mother, physician and partner. Joy and grief sit side by side as they lean on community, faith and psychotherapy to move from fear toward steadier ground.
0:00 Welcome And Framing The Conversation
1:31 A Mother And Physician In Crisis
3:00 Transplant Realities And Infection Risk
3:56 Hospitalization And Unspeakable Fear
6:26 Five Lessons Begin: Lean On Community
8:12 Accepting Help When You Resist It
10:36 Partner Support And Shared Joy
11:35 Joy And Grief Coexisting
13:05 Feeling The Feels Versus Avoidance
16:00 Doing The Inner Work For Lasting Joy
17:19 Naming Fear And Choosing Faith
20:12 Staying Emotionally Ready With Therapy
22:11 Old Trauma Resurfacing In ICU
25:00 Pride, Gratitude, And His Character
27:48 Finding Meaning As Health Improves
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Changes in menopause are more than just mood and temperature swings; it is a rewiring of bone biology. The Besties sit down again with Dr. Toni Otway, a New Jersey Board Certified OB-GYN physician, to unpack how falling estrogen levels accelerate bone loss, why height can shrink over time, and what it truly takes to prevent fractures that derail independence. Instead of chasing a perfect bone density number, they focus on a smarter target: fracture prevention through timely hormone therapy, evidence-based medications, and daily habits that strengthen bones and reduce falls.
Dr. Otway breaks down the science of menopause-associated bone health in plain language—how bones remodel, why vertebrae compress into microfractures, and the real stakes of a hip fracture.
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A thirty-year-old sweater sparks a surprising truth: when your clothes outlive trends, milestones and possibly lifespan, maybe the smartest style move is to stop buying and start noticing. The Besties celebrate their three-year mark by replaying a fan-favorite conversation that ages well- filled with stories about closets, boundaries, and the everyday choices that quietly define who they are.
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0:00 Anniversary Replay Setup
2:20 Show Intro And Warmup
4:10 Closet Clutter And No-New-Shopping Pledge
9:15 Two Different Boots At Work
13:30 Donating And Letting Go
13:55 Introducing The Card Game
16:20 Who’s Tripping In Stores
19:05 Tipping On Takeout
20:30 Prime Sharing And Privacy
22:15 Line-Cutting Etiquette Showdown
25:30 Designer Bag Swap And Honesty
28:00 Leftovers From A Friend’s Plate
31:00 Wrap-Up And Tease For Next Time
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The moment someone says you’re “too much,” you face a fork in the road: get smaller or get clearer. We chose clarity. To mark three years of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn, the Besties rebroadcast a past episode where a relationship that ended: not because love was absent, but because the container couldn’t hold who Angie was becoming. What followed was a surprising kind of closure, the kind your body recognizes before your brain does.
If you’re navigating midlife love, boundaries, and reinvention, this conversation offers a grounded roadmap for choosing commitments that don’t ask you to choose yourself last.
Listen, share with a friend who needs this reframe, and if the show resonates, follow, rate, and leave a review so more listeners can find us.
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A FaceTime that wouldn’t connect, a birthday ice cream run, and a red box hidden under a saucer—then four words that change everything: will you marry me? We’re celebrating a surprise engagement that’s decades in the making and unpacking what it means to choose love, with clarity, later in life.
We retrace the moment—how he kept a three-month secret, returned the first ring, and enlisted his sister to find the one that felt right. From there, we go deeper: how our definition of love has shifted from a word to a practice, how small gestures keep closeness alive, and why time, at 63, sharpens decisions. We talk openly about the past marriage, the therapy that helps us own our part, and the language tweaks that prevent a casual “I don’t care” from stepping on someone else’s joy. The wedding conversation gets real: he wants one, she could elope, and we’re designing a plan that respects both preferences without defaulting to old scripts about gender or tradition.
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Two best friends trade wildcard questions about possibility, mortality, love, and “enough,” mixing belly laughs with clear-eyed truth. We unpack being overlooked, parenting triggers, belonging in medicine, and building a good life rooted in self-agency and joy.
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Besties Angella and Leslie, two 60-something year old Black women, reveal their concerns over artificial intelligence and explore how AI can enhance rather than threaten their lives.
They reference an episode of John Hope Bryant’s Money and Wealth podcast entitled “How Black America Can Win with AI” where Bryant and his guests Van Jones and Sheldon Gilbert illustrate how AI can serve as a “survival guide, a playbook and a warning label”
How Black America Can Win with AI | John Hope Bryant, Van Jones & Sheldon Gilbert
The Besties advise not to be afraid to start engaging with AI tools like ChatGPT—find the voices you trust who are talking about AI and find your entry point, because the opportunity window is easily accessible.
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0:00 Meet the Black Boomer Besties
1:00 AI is Already Everywhere
5:33 Black Voices in the AI Revolution
10:22 Angella's Chat GPT Experiment
19:00 The Human Side of AI Interaction
27:30 Finding Your AI Entry Point
37:00 Practical Applications in Education and Healthcare
43:20 Creating Opportunity with AI Agents
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The Besties explore their fears about moving to Panama while choosing to let joy shine through instead of letting fear take control. This candid conversation reveals their concerns about relocating abroad and how they're working through them to embrace this life-changing adventure.
Chapter Markers:
0:00 Reconnecting and Introduction
2:39 Fears About Language Barriers
15:20 Missing Family and Leaving Children
20:05 Career Identity and Financial Concerns
29:14 Death Planning and Residency Status
35:14 Living Together in Close Quarters
46:25 Privilege of Options and Final Thoughts
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Dr. Dianah Lake shares her journey from personal crisis to fitness transformation, creating a holistic wellness program specifically designed for high-achieving women who prioritize everyone else's needs above their own. Her approach addresses not just physical fitness but mental health, hormonal balance, and the unique challenges women face during perimenopause and menopause.
0:00
Meet Dr. Dianah Lake
6:09
Finding Fitness Through Personal Crisis
13:41
Self-Agency and Commitment to Wellness
21:49
The Program: More Than Weight Loss
31:37
Inflammation, Menopause, and Nutrition
38:24
Building Community and Finding Resources
44:07
Final Thoughts and Upcoming Retreat
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Angella and Leslie explore how choosing joy over fear transformed their lives, particularly in relationships. They share personal stories about leaving marriages that weren't serving them, despite the comfort of familiarity and fear of the unknown.
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0:00 Welcome to Black Boomer Besties
5:02 Choosing Joy Over Fear
13:17 Angella's Marriage Journey
22:00 Leslie's Decades-Long Marriage
33:10 The Beautiful Home That Wasn't Happy
41:20 Fear of Leaving vs. Finding Joy
47:00 Finding Love and Joy Again
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Michelle Malawer is a money coach for women. She joins The Besties to explore how unresolved financial issues may create barriers to joy and fulfillment in our lives.
She explains that money struggles affect people at all income levels. Her coaching focuses on understanding the stories and mindsets behind money behaviors, not just numerical solutions. Michelle recognizes that financial shame often prevents us from seeking help or having honest conversations about money so she provides a safe space to delve deeper into her clients ideas about money and financial management.
Michelle offers various coaching options including three and six-month packages, money deep dives, and a free money book club for women
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/michellemalawer/
Chapter Markers:
0:00
Meet the Black Boomer Besties
1:29
Introducing Money Coach Michelle Malawer
5:15
Angela's Financial Journey Begins
11:14
The Money Mindset Beyond Math
19:25
Breaking Through Money Shame
28:04
From Debt to Freedom
38:17
Transforming Your Relationship with Money
40:17
Connect with Michelle and resources
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Black Girls Go Global is changing the world through their one-week STEAM educational program where young Black women travel internationally to learn about sustainable development. Board members Rolanda Goodwin and Lisa Randolph share how this organization is creating pathways for Black girls in STEAM fields where only 2% of the workforce is African American women.
Visit blackgirlsgoglobal.org (IG: https://www.instagram.com/black_girls_go_global to learn more about supporting this organization through volunteering on their committees or becoming a monthly donor. With Black women making up only 2% of the STEM workforce, your support helps create essential pathways for the next generation.
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The Hidden Women of STEM | Alexis Scott | TEDxMountainViewCollege
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When Emory University professor and scholar Dr. Karida L. Brown began researching America's segregated education system, she didn't expect to uncover a radical history of resistance, innovation, and profound courage. Yet after eight years of meticulous archival work across America and South Africa, that's exactly what she found.
Dr Brown’s latest book, "The Battle for the Black Mind" reveals extraordinary stories of Black women educators who created schools with nothing but vision and determination. Mary Smith Peake risked everything to teach enslaved people to read two decades before Emancipation, establishing a freedom school under an oak tree that still stands on Hampton University's campus today. Lucy Craft Laney built the Haines Normal and Industrial Institute from a church basement into a sprawling educational center spanning two city blocks in Jim Crow Georgia, including the state's first Black nursing school.
Dr Brown, who currently serves on the board of The Obama Presidency Oral History Project, calls these nearly forgotten powerhouses and others like them “Freedom Dreamers”. She says that, "Freedom dreaming is the most radical form of political imagination."
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This week Besties Angella and Leslie explore how to invest now to create a future that their older selves will thank them for. They were inspired by an 82-year-old patient who's maintained friendships since high school and lives vibrantly in her ninth decade.
0:00
Welcome to Black Boomer Besties
2:05
An 82-Year-Old Inspiration
6:20
Future Self Letters and Financial Preparedness
15:40
Health 2.0: Physical Fitness for Aging
22:57
Lymphatic Health and Body Maintenance
27:17
Messages from Present to Past Self
34:02
Gratitude for Emotional Resilience
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Dr. Hervé Damas shares his transformative journey from NFL player to cannabis wellness pioneer, sparked by his mother's cancer recurrence and her powerful challenge to him to find his true purpose. His path through medical school, personal health struggles, and ultimately walking away from a lucrative radiology career demonstrates the power of betting on yourself when facing life's greatest challenges.
References:Dr. Damas CBD
https://www.instagram.com/doctordamas/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/drdamascbd/?hl=en
Dr. Herve Damas On Benefits Of CBDhttps://youtu.be/rT5iQOopTv0?si=YcwA-G3l3MFOehEV
#FlowertothePeople: How CBD May Be Able to Help With PMS With Dr. Damashttps://youtu.be/JKgqIT9TjPo?si=MT4bEpAEEtPW4Ewi
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Dr. Hervé Damas, founder of Dr. Damas CBD, shares his riveting journey from a student at NYC’s prestigious Brooklyn Technical High School (The Bestie’s alma mater) to becoming a successful cannabis pioneer and entrepreneur.
With a few amazing milestones achieved along the way- All American scholar-athlete, NFL linebacker, college professor, and physician, Dr Damas is truly a modern day Renaissance Man.
Besties Angella and Leslie allow his nail-biting story to unfold over two episodes, determined to go beyond the highlights to the parts that inspire you to zig when life zags.
Be sure to tune in next week for Part 2 where his mother’s keen observation set Damas up to becoming the health and wellness leader he is today.
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When Leslie confesses she approached Angie for career coaching because "I'm not good at too many things”, the statement stops Angie in her tracks, considering Leslie is an accomplished anesthesiologist who returned to medical school at 36 as a single parent.
This moment of disconnect between achievement and self-perception becomes the catalyst for exploring why we struggle to recognize our own worth.
Their honest exchange demonstrates how trusted relationships can help us challenge our limiting beliefs and see ourselves more clearly.
Ready to examine your own self-imposed limitations? Join us for this eye-opening conversation that might just change how you view your own journey. And if you're looking for more guidance on living joyfully, check out Angela's book "We're Too Old For This"—because at a certain point, we've lived more days than we have left, and we're simply too old to delay joy.
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The Besties talk about joy A LOT! And want to make sure that people are getting its true meaning, and what it’s not, to stay clear of all the toxic positivity out there.
Toxic positivity occurs when people don't allow themselves or others to experience hard emotions, quickly trying to move them to a "positive" place.
Joy requires going through difficulty and sometimes involves setting boundaries or doing hard things for long-term fulfillment, and boy is it worth it!
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The Messy Middle | Pastor Desiree Elder | FCBCNYC
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What makes friendships last? The Besties have not only been blessed with their long-standing relationship, but have many others that are intact since elementary school.
They change, yes, but there are some key components that make them last. This week’s episode explores the boundaries, curations, and grace that are behind their friendship successes.
Some topics covered:
• Zero tolerance for gossip and strict confidentiality are core values in their friendship culture
• Learning when to offer validation versus objective perspective takes time in any relationship
• The "urgency of now" reminds us to prioritize meaningful connections in our later years
• A practical friendship filter: would you allow your children to spend time with this person?
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Besties Angella and Leslie bring you another episode in The Year of the Menopause series with the return of Dr Toni Otway, a Board Certified OB/GYN physician. She discusses that cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in women, yet the connection between menopause and heart health remains dangerously under-discussed. Dr. Otway explains how dropping estrogen levels during menopause dramatically increase women's heart disease risk.
• Estrogen protects cardiovascular health by keeping blood vessels flexible, reducing inflammation, and helping manage cholesterol
• Women's heart attack symptoms often differ from men's classic chest pain, presenting instead as fatigue, shortness of breath, or indigestion
• CDC reports 6% of women over 20 already show signs of cardiovascular disease
• Pregnancy complications like gestational diabetes and preeclampsia are significant risk factors for future heart disease
• Hormone replacement therapy offers cardiovascular benefits when started early in menopause transition
• Women must advocate for themselves against medical gaslighting and ensure doctors follow appropriate screening guidelines
• Prevention through lifestyle changes remains essential alongside appropriate medication when necessary
Don't forget to schedule your regular health screenings and pay attention to changes in your body – your heart health depends on it.
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The Besties share their most surprising discoveries from their recent first trip to Panama. They reveal unexpected aspects of Panamanian life that weren't evident from their research before visiting, some are:
• Panama's modern, clean subway
• Spanish language proficiency is more essential than expected, especially outside tourist areas
• The extent of Panama City's skyline
• The Albrook Mall is massive and bustling, unlike many declining American shopping centers
• Strong Caribbean cultural influence evident in food, accents, and customs
• Diverse population with Spanish, indigenous, and Afro-Caribbean representation
• Extensive road and transportation infrastructure development underway
• Safe tap water in Panama City, unlike many other Latin American destinations
Stay tuned: they’re definitely going back to Panama soon to continue their exploration.
References in this episode:
Afro-Antillean Museum of Panama (Museo Afro-Antillano de Panama)
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Inspired by Rachel Martin's "Wild Card" podcast, this week, The Besties tackle questions they've never publicly addressed before, creating moments of both profound insight and lighthearted humor.
The episode unfolds with vulnerability as they explore, out loud, deeply personal remembrances like when they first realized their parents weren't infallible beings, when they first felt deep pride in themselves, and what beliefs they no longer hold.
What makes this exchange special is how they navigate these vulnerable territories—pushing each other toward growth while honoring boundaries, demonstrating the beautiful complexity of deep friendship between two sixty-something Black women who've witnessed each other's evolution through decades of life's challenges.
Their willingness to question long-held beliefs and share these journeys invites listeners to examine their own life perspectives and the relationships that have shaped them
References mentioned:
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510379/wild-card-with-rachel-martin
Here’s a wonderful conversation with Wanda Sykes:
Wanda Sykes on why fear isn't a big deal, coming out when she was ready and her new stand-up special
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Two longtime friends, Lenora Norman & Tiffany Knotts share how they built an unexpected sisterhood through motorcycle riding and the creation of Smok’n Jewl’z Motorcycle Club. Their journey reveals how finding your passion can lead to deep connections, freedom, and joy at any age.
The Besties encourage you to find your thing, find your people, and live your joy. Life's too short not to embrace adventures that speak to your soul.
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Angella and Leslie explore how negative influences from their past unexpectedly became catalysts for success and personal growth. They reflect on how criticism and doubt from authority figures and partners shaped their determination rather than diminishing their spirit.
References mentioned in this episode:
Someone’s Thunder Podcast
Angela Pierce and Stephanie Klapper
Get Angie’s eBook:
We’re Too Old for This Shit! The Inquisitive Older Woman’s Guide to Joy http://joystrategy.co/ebook
FOLLOW BLACK BOOMER BESTIES FROM BROOKLYN
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Ep152 Bones, Estrogen, And Aging Strong
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Ep151 Am I trippin? Facing the truth about over shopping
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Ep150 Navigating midlife love: Get smaller or get clearer
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Ep149 She said yes at 63: A second proposal 40 yrs later
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Ep148 Wildcard Questions : Do we really know each other after 50 years?
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Ep147 Boomers Doing AI
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Ep146 Joy Over Fear: What Scares Us Most About Leaving
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Ep145 Joy Over Fear: Your Body Deserves More Than You're Giving It
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Ep144 Joy Over Fear: Why we left the trappings of our marriages
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Ep143 Joy Over Fear: Conquering Money Shame
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Ep142 Legacy Work: Guiding girls into STEM/STEAM with global travel experiences
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Ep140: A fabulous future starts today
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Ep139: Your money or your weed? How I got both! With Dr. Hermé Damas
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How Rushing Past Pain Sabotages True Joy
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What’s Behind Friendships That Last?
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