Angella and Leslie wrestle with how to set boundaries with loved ones without guilt, why the concept of “no contact” is gaining language online, and what healing looks like on both sides of estrangement. 

As usual, humor lightens the load and remains an invaluable tool to support resilience and repair as The Besties trade stories, therapy wins, and lessons from recent podcasts from Stephanie Perry and Oprah.

Oprah Explores the Rising Trend of Going No Contact with Your Family

Stephanie Perry Going NO CONTACT with narcissistic mothers | Black women & estrangement at the holidays

Reparenting Coach Dani Ellison

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The holidays can feel like two different seasons at once: sentimental and sparkly on the surface, heavy and hectic underneath. Besties Angella and Leslie speak honestly about both and offer a way forward that doesn’t require a shopping cart—just attention, time, and a little creativity.

If you’re ready to trade obligation for intention and make celebration feel like care, this conversation will meet you where you are. Press play, build one small ritual, and let joy be the loudest thing in the room. If this resonates, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs a gentler holiday, and leave a review to help others find us.

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Ever notice how after the prayers and the crescendo of miracles, the next wave of worry comes to snatch it away? Our family just lived through a medical crisis and a hard-won turn for the better, and we’re honest about the whiplash that followed—insurance calls, care decisions, a home being modified, and the ache of meeting a new reality for a once independent son. Gratitude is real. Grief is real. Both want space. In this episode Besties Angella and Leslie ponder ways to make that space.

Whether you’re navigating recovery, supporting a loved one, or just trying to hold onto good news longer than a weekend, this conversation offers language, practices, and companionship for the middle—where the miracle and the paperwork often meet.

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The Besties return this week after taking a much needed “peace pause”. They return to unpack a viral video of a salon arrest and the deeper tensions it exposes between Black Americans and African immigrants. Angella and Leslie weigh boycott power, clear asks, and practical ways to raise standards without giving up on each other.

Owner of African Braiding Salon and Two Employees ARRESTED!!

TabithaSpeaksPolitics

https://youtu.be/xZFKSc6akDY?si=3Hn9lXxQ-HTmMQb0

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The Besties reflect on a morning of quiet prayer that turned into a cascade of miracles: a son spoke, moved, answered questions, and became eligible for a transfer to acute rehab.  

Leslie describes the emotional whiplash of being both a physician and a mom when a loved one is ill.   While Besties Angella and Leslie share their relief, they pivot to sharing practical wisdom on the conversations and structures families can have in place when crises arise.  

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The Besties trace Angella’s pivots from a 30 plus year corporate career in IT to becoming an entrepreneur who works in theater, showing how one bold choice can open a chain of unexpected doors. Craft, culture and courage meet in scenes from The Color Purple, Motown design, and a 40+ wig design for Legally Blonde The Musical.

The heart of the episode explores how many of us, especially Boomers, are wired for “surety”—the prescribed path through degrees, titles, and predictable outcomes but that training often punishes creative risk and keeps us from starting at all. 

The episode closes with a call to those who might be feeling a rumble of discontent. Not everyone must rock the boat but if you are restless it might be worth investigate it.

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The Besties share a candid and honest account of navigating a son’s sudden critical illness while balancing the roles of mother, physician and partner. Joy and grief sit side by side as they lean on community, faith and psychotherapy to move from fear toward steadier ground. 

0:00 Welcome And Framing The Conversation

1:31 A Mother And Physician In Crisis

3:00 Transplant Realities And Infection Risk

3:56 Hospitalization And Unspeakable Fear

6:26 Five Lessons Begin: Lean On Community

8:12 Accepting Help When You Resist It

10:36 Partner Support And Shared Joy

11:35 Joy And Grief Coexisting

13:05 Feeling The Feels Versus Avoidance

16:00 Doing The Inner Work For Lasting Joy

17:19 Naming Fear And Choosing Faith

20:12 Staying Emotionally Ready With Therapy

22:11 Old Trauma Resurfacing In ICU

25:00 Pride, Gratitude, And His Character

27:48 Finding Meaning As Health Improves

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 Changes in menopause are more than just mood and temperature swings; it is a rewiring of bone biology. The Besties sit down again with Dr. Toni Otway, a New Jersey Board Certified OB-GYN physician, to unpack how falling estrogen levels accelerate bone loss, why height can shrink over time, and what it truly takes to prevent fractures that derail independence. Instead of chasing a perfect bone density number, they focus on a smarter target: fracture prevention through timely hormone therapy, evidence-based medications, and daily habits that strengthen bones and reduce falls.
Dr. Otway breaks down the science of menopause-associated bone health in plain language—how bones remodel, why vertebrae compress into microfractures, and the real stakes of a hip fracture.

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A thirty-year-old sweater sparks a surprising truth: when your clothes outlive trends, milestones and possibly lifespan, maybe the smartest style move is to stop buying and start noticing. The Besties celebrate their three-year mark by replaying a fan-favorite conversation that ages well-  filled with stories about closets, boundaries, and the everyday choices that quietly define who they are.

Chapter Markers

0:00 Anniversary Replay Setup

2:20 Show Intro And Warmup

4:10 Closet Clutter And No-New-Shopping Pledge

9:15 Two Different Boots At Work

13:30 Donating And Letting Go

13:55 Introducing The Card Game

16:20 Who’s Tripping In Stores

19:05 Tipping On Takeout

20:30 Prime Sharing And Privacy

22:15 Line-Cutting Etiquette Showdown

25:30 Designer Bag Swap And Honesty

28:00 Leftovers From A Friend’s Plate

31:00 Wrap-Up And Tease For Next Time

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The moment someone says you’re “too much,” you face a fork in the road: get smaller or get clearer. We chose clarity. To mark three years of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn, the Besties rebroadcast a past episode where a relationship that ended: not because love was absent, but because the container couldn’t hold who Angie was becoming. What followed was a surprising kind of closure, the kind your body recognizes before your brain does.

If you’re navigating midlife love, boundaries, and reinvention, this conversation offers a grounded roadmap for choosing commitments that don’t ask you to choose yourself last.

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A FaceTime that wouldn’t connect, a birthday ice cream run, and a red box hidden under a saucer—then four words that change everything: will you marry me? We’re celebrating a surprise engagement that’s decades in the making and unpacking what it means to choose love, with clarity, later in life.

We retrace the moment—how he kept a three-month secret, returned the first ring, and enlisted his sister to find the one that felt right. From there, we go deeper: how our definition of love has shifted from a word to a practice, how small gestures keep closeness alive, and why time, at 63, sharpens decisions. We talk openly about the past marriage, the therapy that helps us own our part, and the language tweaks that prevent a casual “I don’t care” from stepping on someone else’s joy. The wedding conversation gets real: he wants one, she could elope, and we’re designing a plan that respects both preferences without defaulting to old scripts about gender or tradition.

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Chapter Markers

• 0:00
  Welcome & Big News Tease
• 0:30
  The Proposal Reveal
• 4:30
  How He Planned the Ring
• 8:30
  Love Revisited After 40 Years
• 12:30
  Choosing Love as a Verb
• 17:30
  On Aging, Time, and Clarity
• 21:00
  Healing From Past Marriage
• 25:00
  Long Engagement, Logistics, Home Reno
• 29:00
  Gender Roles, Weddings, and Language
• 35:30
  Owning Feelings Without Dimming Joy

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Two best friends trade wildcard questions about possibility, mortality, love, and “enough,” mixing belly laughs with clear-eyed truth. We unpack being overlooked, parenting triggers, belonging in medicine, and building a good life rooted in self-agency and joy.

Thank you for listening. We really appreciate you. And we appreciate our Patreon subscribers too. You can join our Patreon Besties Squad Squad for a five or ten dollar monthly pledge. It helps us, and we can bring new content new content to you.

Chapter Markers

• 0:00
   Reunion, Exhaustion, and Warm-Up Banter
• 2:54
   Who We Are and Why We’re Here
• 3:45
   The Wildcard Framework Explained
• 5:05
   Possibility vs. Limits: “Nothing’s Unreachable”
• 7:35
   Mortality and Radical Preparedness
• 10:45
   Being Overlooked and Proving Yourself
• 13:07
   Motherhood, Boundaries, and Defensiveness
• 16:00
   Age, Love, and the Art of Letting In
• 19:04
   Belonging in Medicine and Family
• 21:30
   Working With Difference Without Friction
• 24:20
   Defining a Good Life and “Enough”
• 35:40
   Gratitude and Patreon Sign-Off

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Besties Angella and Leslie, two 60-something year old Black women, reveal their concerns over artificial intelligence and explore how AI can enhance rather than threaten their lives.

They reference an episode of John Hope Bryant’s Money and Wealth podcast entitled “How Black America Can Win with AI” where Bryant and his guests Van Jones and Sheldon Gilbert illustrate how AI can serve as a “survival guide, a playbook and a warning label”

How Black America Can Win with AI | John Hope Bryant, Van Jones & Sheldon Gilbert

The Besties advise not to be afraid to start engaging with AI tools like ChatGPT—find the voices you trust who are talking about AI and find your entry point, because the opportunity window is easily accessible.

Chapter Markers

0:00 Meet the Black Boomer Besties

1:00 AI is Already Everywhere

5:33 Black Voices in the AI Revolution

10:22 Angella's Chat GPT Experiment

19:00 The Human Side of AI Interaction

27:30 Finding Your AI Entry Point

37:00 Practical Applications in Education and Healthcare

43:20 Creating Opportunity with AI Agents

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The Besties explore their fears about moving to Panama while choosing to let joy shine through instead of letting fear take control. This candid conversation reveals their concerns about relocating abroad and how they're working through them to embrace this life-changing adventure.

Chapter Markers:

0:00 Reconnecting and Introduction

2:39 Fears About Language Barriers

15:20 Missing Family and Leaving Children

20:05 Career Identity and Financial Concerns

29:14 Death Planning and Residency Status

35:14 Living Together in Close Quarters

46:25 Privilege of Options and Final Thoughts

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Dr. Dianah Lake shares her journey from personal crisis to fitness transformation, creating a holistic wellness program specifically designed for high-achieving women who prioritize everyone else's needs above their own. Her approach addresses not just physical fitness but mental health, hormonal balance, and the unique challenges women face during perimenopause and menopause.

Dr Di Fitness Facebook Page

0:00
Meet Dr. Dianah Lake

6:09
Finding Fitness Through Personal Crisis

13:41
Self-Agency and Commitment to Wellness

21:49
The Program: More Than Weight Loss

31:37
Inflammation, Menopause, and Nutrition

38:24
Building Community and Finding Resources

44:07
Final Thoughts and Upcoming Retreat

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Angella and Leslie explore how choosing joy over fear transformed their lives, particularly in relationships. They share personal stories about leaving marriages that weren't serving them, despite the comfort of familiarity and fear of the unknown.

Chapter Markers:

0:00 Welcome to Black Boomer Besties

5:02 Choosing Joy Over Fear

13:17 Angella's Marriage Journey

22:00 Leslie's Decades-Long Marriage

33:10 The Beautiful Home That Wasn't Happy

41:20 Fear of Leaving vs. Finding Joy

47:00 Finding Love and Joy Again

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Michelle Malawer is a money coach for women.  She joins The Besties to explore how unresolved financial issues may create barriers to joy and fulfillment in our lives.

She explains that money struggles affect people at all income levels. Her coaching focuses on understanding the stories and mindsets behind money behaviors, not just numerical solutions.  Michelle recognizes that financial shame often prevents us from seeking help or having honest conversations about money so she provides a safe space to delve deeper into her clients ideas about money and financial management.

Michelle offers various coaching options including three and six-month packages, money deep dives, and a free money book club for women

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/michellemalawer/

Chapter Markers:

0:00

Meet the Black Boomer Besties

1:29

Introducing Money Coach Michelle Malawer

5:15

Angela's Financial Journey Begins

11:14

The Money Mindset Beyond Math

19:25

Breaking Through Money Shame

28:04

From Debt to Freedom

38:17

Transforming Your Relationship with Money

40:17

Connect with Michelle and resources

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Black Girls Go Global is changing the world through their one-week STEAM educational program where young Black women travel internationally to learn about sustainable development. Board members Rolanda Goodwin and Lisa Randolph share how this organization is creating pathways for Black girls in STEAM fields where only 2% of the workforce is African American women.

Visit blackgirlsgoglobal.org (IG: https://www.instagram.com/black_girls_go_global to learn more about supporting this organization through volunteering on their committees or becoming a monthly donor. With Black women making up only 2% of the STEM workforce, your support helps create essential pathways for the next generation.

Chapter Markers:

• 0:00
  Introducing Black Girls Go Global
• 9:24
  The Genesis of a Movement
• 17:18
  STEAM vs STEM: Adding Art to the Equation
• 22:20
  Breaking Barriers in Representation
• 29:10
  Costa Rica Experience: Hands-On Learning
• 33:07
  Legacy Work and Board Commitment
• 38:02
  How to Support: Resources and Funding
• 42:13
  The Numbers: Why This Matters

References mentioned:

The Hidden Women of STEM | Alexis Scott | TEDxMountainViewCollege

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When Emory University professor and scholar Dr. Karida L. Brown began researching America's segregated education system, she didn't expect to uncover a radical history of resistance, innovation, and profound courage. Yet after eight years of meticulous archival work across America and South Africa, that's exactly what she found.

Dr Brown’s latest book, "The Battle for the Black Mind" reveals extraordinary stories of Black women educators who created schools with nothing but vision and determination. Mary Smith Peake risked everything to teach enslaved people to read two decades before Emancipation, establishing a freedom school under an oak tree that still stands on Hampton University's campus today. Lucy Craft Laney built the Haines Normal and Industrial Institute from a church basement into a sprawling educational center spanning two city blocks in Jim Crow Georgia, including the state's first Black nursing school.

Dr Brown, who currently serves on the board of The Obama Presidency Oral History Project, calls these nearly forgotten powerhouses and others like them “Freedom Dreamers”.  She says that, "Freedom dreaming is the most radical form of political imagination."

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• 0:00
  Meeting Dr. Karida Brown
• 8:18
  The Battle for the Black Mind
• 20:16
  Mary Smith Peake's Freedom School
• 31:02
  Black Americans Birthed Public Education
• 39:06
  Lucy Craft Laney's Educational Legacy
• 47:31
  Battle for Education: Competing Interests
• 50:17
  Freedom Dreams for Today's Challenges

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This week Besties Angella and Leslie explore how to invest now to create a future that their older selves will thank them for. They were inspired by an 82-year-old patient who's maintained friendships since high school and lives vibrantly in her ninth decade.

0:00
Welcome to Black Boomer Besties

2:05
An 82-Year-Old Inspiration

6:20
Future Self Letters and Financial Preparedness

15:40
Health 2.0: Physical Fitness for Aging

22:57
Lymphatic Health and Body Maintenance

27:17
Messages from Present to Past Self

34:02
Gratitude for Emotional Resilience

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Dr. Hervé Damas shares his transformative journey from NFL player to cannabis wellness pioneer, sparked by his mother's cancer recurrence and her powerful challenge to him to find his true purpose. His path through medical school, personal health struggles, and ultimately walking away from a lucrative radiology career demonstrates the power of betting on yourself when facing life's greatest challenges.
References:Dr. Damas CBD
https://www.instagram.com/doctordamas/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/drdamascbd/?hl=en

Dr. Herve Damas On Benefits Of CBDhttps://youtu.be/rT5iQOopTv0?si=YcwA-G3l3MFOehEV
#FlowertothePeople: How CBD May Be Able to Help With PMS With Dr. Damashttps://youtu.be/JKgqIT9TjPo?si=MT4bEpAEEtPW4Ewi
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Dr. Hervé Damas, founder of Dr. Damas CBD, shares his riveting journey from a student at NYC’s prestigious Brooklyn Technical High School (The Bestie’s alma mater) to becoming a successful cannabis pioneer and entrepreneur.  

With a few amazing milestones achieved along the way- All American scholar-athlete, NFL linebacker, college professor, and physician, Dr Damas is truly a modern day Renaissance Man.

Besties Angella and Leslie allow his nail-biting story to unfold over two episodes, determined to go beyond the highlights to the parts that inspire you to zig when life zags. 

Be sure to tune in next week for Part 2 where his mother’s keen observation set Damas up to becoming the health and wellness leader he is today.

References:

Dr. Herve Damas On Benefits Of CBD

https://youtu.be/rT5iQOopTv0?si=YcwA-G3l3MFOehEV

#FlowertothePeople: How CBD May Be Able to Help With PMS With Dr. Damas

https://youtu.be/JKgqIT9TjPo?si=MT4bEpAEEtPW4Ewi

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When Leslie confesses she approached Angie for career coaching because "I'm not good at too many things”, the statement stops Angie in her tracks, considering Leslie is an accomplished anesthesiologist who returned to medical school at 36 as a single parent.

This moment of disconnect between achievement and self-perception becomes the catalyst for exploring why we struggle to recognize our own worth.

Their honest exchange demonstrates how trusted relationships can help us challenge our limiting beliefs and see ourselves more clearly.

Ready to examine your own self-imposed limitations? Join us for this eye-opening conversation that might just change how you view your own journey. And if you're looking for more guidance on living joyfully, check out Angela's book "We're Too Old For This"—because at a certain point, we've lived more days than we have left, and we're simply too old to delay joy.

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The Besties talk about joy A LOT! And want to make sure that people are getting its true meaning, and what it’s not, to stay clear of all the toxic positivity out there.

Toxic positivity occurs when people don't allow themselves or others to experience hard emotions, quickly trying to move them to a "positive" place.

Joy requires going through difficulty and sometimes involves setting boundaries or doing hard things for long-term fulfillment, and boy is it worth it!

Links to references:

The Messy Middle | Pastor Desiree Elder | FCBCNYC

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What makes friendships last?  The Besties have not only been blessed with their long-standing relationship, but have many others that are intact since elementary school.

They change, yes, but there are some key components that make them last.  This week’s episode explores the boundaries, curations, and grace that are behind their friendship successes. 

Some topics covered:

• Zero tolerance for gossip and strict confidentiality are core values in their friendship culture

• Learning when to offer validation versus objective perspective takes time in any relationship

• The "urgency of now" reminds us to prioritize meaningful connections in our later years

• A practical friendship filter: would you allow your children to spend time with this person?

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