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Tommy Fish | Class of 2027 | Kent Island High School | Stevensville, MD
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Tommy Fish is a 6'10" Center that protects the rim well and has a soft touch around the basket. He hit a growth spurt later on in his career, which had him playing acquired for a few years. He now has his feet up under him and has gotten accustomed to his body. He will be a great college prospect in the future.
And this is another episode, another episode of Discover Talk. I am Coach Miller, and we also have my guest who is also Coach Miller. At this time, we have another great prospect that we have decided to interview. But instead of me introducing him, I'm going to allow him to introduce himself. Tommy, you have the floor.
SPEAKER_01Hello, everybody. My name's Tommy Fish. I am a 610 center based in Kent Island, Maryland. I play for Kent Island High School and I also play for Coach BJ Miller's AU team.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so so Tommy, tell us a little bit about yourself. Who are you?
SPEAKER_01Um I am a very smart kid, if I do say so myself. I like to challenge myself with a lot of academic, uh rigorous classes. I take a lot of um AP classes, I take a lot of honors classes, but I take that rigor from in school and I also use it on the basketball court. I always work hard. I um I'm always the first one at practice. I'm always the last person to leave practice. If anybody needs help at practice, I'm always there to lend a helping hand. I pretty much do whatever I can to become a better version of myself.
SPEAKER_02Okay, okay. So how long have you been playing basketball?
SPEAKER_01Um, well, I've been playing basketball since I want to say third grade, middle, like mid-elementary school, but I really started taking basketball seriously. Um, I want to say after COVID. So uh towards mid-mid-middle school, I um really thought I could do something with it, and I really started applying myself.
SPEAKER_03Okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_04Tommy, what was um the moment when you realized that you know you could be pretty good at basketball?
SPEAKER_01Well, I always figured I was gonna be good at basketball. Um because every every time I grew, everybody else would grow a little less than me. And then every time I would grow more, I noticed everybody else would just stop growing. And basketball became much easier and easier to the point where I mean it'd be ashamed if I couldn't do anything with it.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So what what was what was your best performance that you feel like you've ever had so far in your career?
SPEAKER_01Um It was pretty recently actually. It was during a summer league match for my high school, and um I didn't necessarily score the most points, but I did, I it was a triple double. I think I had 16 points, 13 rebounds, and um 11 assists. But I also sent me that. And I had like I think I had four or five blocks. Okay, it it it was a really rewarding game because the season prior, I was dealing with a little bit of injuries, and um I bounced back in that game and played better than I ever could before. And so not only did the stats mean a lot to me, it was my best performing game that made me realize who I was as a basketball player.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Okay, okay. Now, the other question I would have is what was that game? Um, what was the one game that you feel like you learned the most from?
SPEAKER_01That game would probably be one of the earlier games in my basketball career. As I said before, when I originally started taking basketball seriously in like middle school, I um just started to play AUU and my one of my first couple tournaments, I realized that there's levels to it. Okay, it's not a local rec game at a YMCA, it's traveling and playing talent from different states. And I'm not gonna sit here and say I was the best ever. I I played terribly, um, and it was a reality check because I was always taller, stronger, faster. But when you go and you play other people from different regions, it's different. And it will it was really a learning experience, and it allowed me to overcome many things.
SPEAKER_03Okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_04So, what would you say? Um, who do you say so far has been like uh the best defender you've had to go against?
SPEAKER_01The best defender, um it'd probably be Josiah Sherwood, um, from my AU team. He what he is a very strong defender, which was has always been a problem of mine. He defenders with very long reaches, um uh they're just hard to get around. And they were very hard defensively, but they also taught me the most. They taught me to throw fakes and use other things other than just my physical size and strengths.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, because Josai, he even though he was shorter than you, he's 6'8, he has 7'1 wings fan, so yeah.
SPEAKER_02So how how old were you when you got your first dunk?
SPEAKER_01I want to say eighth grade.
SPEAKER_02Okay. What and what type of dunk was it? Was it on a fast break? Did you dunk on somebody?
SPEAKER_01It wasn't on it was it was a fast break. It was in a pickup game at my high school.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01I was it was an open gym. So I was in eighth grade. My brother was a senior at the time, and he brought me to an open gym. Okay, and it was just on a fast break. It was a rim grazer. But I've also growing up, I mean, I've been so tall, but I've also been consistently the youngest. So everybody's expecting me to been dunking since I was 10. When I tell people I've only I only started dunking like consistently in like freshman year, they've always been surprised. But now I can dunk pretty, yeah, pretty well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So when when when basketball's over one day, what do you see yourself doing in the future?
SPEAKER_01Well, a passion of mine has always been chemistry. Um, that's what I want to major in when I go to college. Um, I want to get my master, maybe my doctorate in chemistry. I've always loved um helping people, so I plan on using that love for chemistry to make medicine and pharmaceutic would be in the pharmaceutical space um to help people in need.
SPEAKER_02Okay, okay, okay. So my question would be: do you all have a lot of athletes in your family? Do you have a lot of athletes?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so both of my parents played collegiate basketball. My mom played at Cornell and my dad played at um R.I.T.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So who's the best shooter in your family?
SPEAKER_01If you got all of us in our prime, um But the answer is right.
SPEAKER_02Oh you might get kicked out the house.
SPEAKER_01He is in the other room, so I'll have to say my dad is the best shooter.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01But if if we lined up on a three-point line right now, I don't I don't think it would be close.
SPEAKER_02Okay, okay. Okay, okay, okay. I liked it. I liked it. I liked it.
SPEAKER_04So uh who do you who would you say that you would model your game after?
SPEAKER_01Um originally it was uh Jokic. Um but ri uh recently my dad and I have been having discussions on who I should model my game off of, and I really like Christian Leitner's game.
SPEAKER_03Oh, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_01Um he he was very calm, he was very stable. Maybe he didn't act stable, but his game was stable. And I really I really liked his game. I was really inspired by his game.
SPEAKER_02So let's talk about that for a second. When we talk about um acting stable, I think that people like Christian Leitner sometimes their competitiveness gets mistaken as unstable because of his authenticity and how outwardly competitive he is. Now, I'm gonna give you an example. Is what's the difference between how he acted versus how Michael Jordan acted? Both of them are ultra competitive, right? But the way Michael Jordan acts, it's like, oh man, he's competitive, he's passionate, he's this, he's that. But then the way Christian Leitner acts, oh he's crazy. You see what I'm saying? Like, so the thing is, like, I actually, and I've had to tell coaches this before, but I've actually told coaches, like, does he really have an attitude, or is he really just unapologetically competitive?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02And I think that Christian Leitner was more of unapologetically competitive, more so than he would he was crazy, you know. Yeah. It's only crazy if you're not competitive, is I'll say it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I mean, there definitely is a difference between passionate and like being crazy rude. I don't think any basketball players, I don't think there's a such thing as being crazy rude on a court. At the end of the day, it's basketball. And if you can't deal with a little bit of trash talk, you're not supposed to be there. So I mean, it there's a certain point to the trash talk, but a part of basketball is dealing with people. It's it's a learning basketball is a tool to learn other things other than just putting a ball on the hoop. There's a mental gain to it, there's teamwork, there's a lot of different aspects, and trash talking plays a big part of that.
SPEAKER_02So do you try do you trash talk at all?
SPEAKER_01Who doesn't?
SPEAKER_02Okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I don't I don't initiate the trash talk. But that's true. He's telling the truth. Okay, okay. But if I'm getting matched up against somebody and they keep on making remarks every time something happens, like it's not even like if they block me, they just start talking. I'm not gonna let them do that. Okay, because I start playing bad, then it brings down the team morale, so I have to be a competitive spirit to if I want to win. You nobody wins if they're not competitive.
SPEAKER_02Nah, I understand, and and I I agree with you. I agree with you. Hey, listen, comp compet competition has to be an obsession. That's uh that's how I see it as a player development coach. So, Tom, before we end this um interview, is there anything else that you would like to tell um the audience or future college coaches or anybody that's watching this interview?
SPEAKER_01Uh yes. I am a very young 2027. Uh before well, before I went to started standardized school, my parents discussed whether or not I should be a 2028 or 2027.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01I I've been always so tall growing up. And up until recently, I haven't been able to grow into my body. So I was always, and not say always, but in my earlier life, I was unlike unorganized, not unorganized, um unathletic and just slow, didn't know how to use my body. I was frankly lost. I was like Bambi. And if you give me a chance to prove myself now, if you wrote me off in the past for being a tall kid that didn't be doing, um I can prove you wrong today, tomorrow, any day.
unknownI like that.
SPEAKER_04I can vouch for that. I can vouch for that. I had the pleasure seeing since like sixth grade, fifth grade.
SPEAKER_01Miller's been there before I even played basketball and we were doing conditioning practices inside of my house. Yeah. We would do one conditioning practice. I would go inside and I would sit in there in the cool air conditioning, try to I wasn't gonna bring that up. Well, I mean, it's the truth. Oh man. It's it's a grow it's grow I grow I grew from it. Because now I realize I can't do that. If I want to be great, which I do want to be, there's no shortcuts, there's no hiding, there's no getting around it. The confronting it face-on is the only way you're gonna achieve what you want to achieve and do what you want to do in life, basketball or not.
SPEAKER_02Okay, okay, okay. Well, Tommy, we want to take this time and say that we thank you for um being on Discover Talk and being allowing us to interview you. Uh, once again, this is a six-time prospect that is ready to make an impact at the next level. He is a 2027 and coaches. If you're watching this interview, don't be afraid to reach out to this guy because it's only up from here. Listen, Tommy, we just want to say, man, that we see you and we know that you have an opportunity to play at the next level. Thank you for your time and good luck on the rest of your high school career.
SPEAKER_01Thank you, Coach Miller, and thank you, Coach Miller.
SPEAKER_02So next up. Coach BJ, you still there?
SPEAKER_04I can't hear you.
SPEAKER_02Oh, you can hear me?
SPEAKER_04I'm a logo, log back in.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I can hear you.
SPEAKER_04I can't I don't know what's going on. I can't hear you. When when I first got on, I I was able to hear you. No. Like every time I get back on, I can hear you. I hear you, Tiger.
SPEAKER_02Can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Bet. Now, next part is we're talking about player development. And for this segment, what I want to ask you, Coach BJ, the first question I want to ask you is how do you break down a kid's game? And what I mean by that is when you go and see a kid play, right, from a player development standpoint, um, how do you break their game down? What is the first three things that you tell them or you look for as far as when it comes to improvement?
SPEAKER_04Uh the first well, I I go into it looking like I'm a scout, right? So I'm not falling in love with you. It's like, how can I exploit your weaknesses? So in in that situation, I'm I'm on different lens. Um and I'm looking athletically, how do they land? How do they take uh a hit on the ground or in the air? Um also um trying to see do they have a considerable tendency that they always go left? If they go left, they're always going to pass if they go right. Um that type of stuff. Um and then after that, you know, shooting percentage. Um, do they know it's a good shot for them? You know, um you got some kids who who can shoot, but they're just shooting the wrong shot, you know, and so like, hey man, look, you you went six for eight in the mid range, you went oh for nine at a three. Stop shooting a bit of three right now. And I'll go to the couple games, so it's like oh cruz up is one game. So it takes that BS up out of there. But some kids don't know what's a good shot for them right now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Then they wonder why they sit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. The first three things that I look for, if there's a potential client that I have, or somebody I've already worked out, is first and foremost, how do they fit in the offense? Because there's no need for me to be training a kid that is training him for combination moves and dribbling, and there's a lot of movement without the basketball. The second thing that I do when I'm uh going and looking at a a kid that I want to potentially train or that I'm already training is is where are you going to it's kind of what you said, but where are you gonna get your shots from? There's no need for us to be shooting corner threes if majority of your shots are gonna come from the wing.
SPEAKER_04Exactly.
SPEAKER_02There's no need to there's no need to be practicing mid-range if your coach believes in threes and layups. There's no need for um me to be your a six-seven guy, and I got you out on a perimeter, and although that might work for you and at the college level, at the high school level, they got you in the post. So we need to work on post moves.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_02That's the second thing. And then the um the last thing is I look at uh I'm I'm like you as well. I also look at weaknesses and from year to year, like where you can improve it. And So when I'm looking at that, I'm looking at the biggest problem, the three biggest problems that high school kids have is one, the physicality of the game. They're not used to somebody being physical with them. The second thing that they have is as far as over-dribbling. So my concept is you only get three dribbles. When we're playing one-on-one, we play the three-two-one drill drill. You get three dribbles to try to score, go to five, you get two dribbles, try to score, go to five, you get one dribble, try to score. Because nine times out of ten, the further you get away from three dribbles, the less chance it is you're gonna have an opportunity to score. So that's that's for for me, those are the the things that you know I personally look at.
SPEAKER_04And I I've been blessed to have very smart clients because when we're training in season, and I've actually had to coach against some of them. So what I tell them is like, look, don't tell me the name of the play. I'll have to tell you a story. Um but uh also don't tell me the name of the play, but I need to know how it's broken down so I can create drills to get you the shots in those situations. So we'll we'll rewind um Tommy's teammate Trevor. We moved so we will win two weekends in a row on corner threes out of the out of bounds play. They set up the out of bounds play. I'm yelling, we're skirmishing on the same Peter Paul. I'm yelling, what y'all for Trevor going to the corner? He goes to the corner, catches it off one foot, lace at me, not but then turns looks at me. I'm like, hey man, I was pissed off at the same time. It was too in a rough. I was like he shot I mean he he shot it. I'm not over exaggerating before it went in, he was already turning it around because he knew we we did so many reps, yeah. And he gave me a little smile. He didn't say nothing, he just gave me a little smile. Yeah, man. So I I hate going against guys of training, it's not fun.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I understand that. I understand that. I think I think when it comes to player development too, I think the biggest mistake the kids make is not going full speed when they're working out by themselves.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they're still not understanding what that means.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And so and so what what I do to try to get kids to understand what full speed is, is first thing I do is I have them run run the length of the court as fast as you can. Right? And then once I do that, then I tell them that's how fast you need to be going in the drills with the basketball. And and a lot of times, probably like 95% of the time, it translates pretty well because now the kids are going super hard and um the intensity is matching the game, and I've noticed that there's a whole bunch of improvement that takes place when I have clients and I can get them to understand what game speed really is. I tell I tell my clients this all the time. It wasn't until my like sophomore year in college where I really understood the importance of going game speed in the drills, and that's when I really took off because in high school, high school I was good, I was doing my thing, but everything was kind of half speed, and so a lot of it didn't always transfer translate to the game like it was supposed to.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, it's it's very important because we you don't get to come off the branch bench normally fresh and get to shoot free throws or something like that. You know, that's the beautiful thing about basketball is if we're going against each other, you score me, I got the opportunity to score on you. So your your heart rate's going, you know, you gotta you gotta get all that to simulate as much as possible the stressful situations that happen in basketball.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What what's some what's some other things that you think uh specifically high school basketball players could improve in? And the reason why I'm specifically focused on high school basketball players is because they're the ones that's kind of getting slighted right now when it comes to um when it comes to um recruitment, just because of everything that's going on.
SPEAKER_04Stop being afraid of the damn weight room for one.
unknownAmen.
SPEAKER_04And it's not about them being big. It's just, you know, somebody taps you on the ground. You're either soft or you're weak. It's either one of those. I don't know which one it is, but you know. You're either soft or you're weak. You you let me know. But you know we'll fix that the weight room. The weight room will fix that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, no, I think I think and I think to be honest with you, sometimes, sometimes to be honest with you, it can be both. Yeah, it can it can be.
SPEAKER_04But that can be fixed.
SPEAKER_02Yes, agreed, agree.
SPEAKER_04Because and then also they don't know how to play low, right? So, um, which also can be how you know the the weight room if you have a trainer that knows what he's doing, but it you you can learn how to play so you can take the contact, right? Play through the contact without you know offensive files and stuff like that, and then you can become the bully, like you know, Jalen Brunson, right? Not the biggest guy. He initiates the contact religiously because he can take the hit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04He doesn't look all huge, you don't have to look all huge, you have to be strong, both here and physically. And and once you put put the you know the time in and in the weight room in the gym, um, the better off you are. You're not guessing, you're playing so carefree because you know you put time in. Right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04There's no guesswork.
unknownNah.
SPEAKER_02No, I understand that. No, I understand that. I I I definitely I definitely think that high school athletes specifically don't understand the difference between being looking strong and being physically strong. I think I I definitely think there's a there is a a big difference.
SPEAKER_04And then also how to use that strength. Because there's strong kids out there who don't know how to use it. You know, how to get low, use body position, stuff like that, so then you can really dominate.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, nah, nah, I agree, I agree with that. I agree with that. I know, I know for myself when we got to when I got to college, man, is when I really started to understand um both how to get strong and how to use my strength. Boy, I love going to the hole, getting in once. I loved it, boy. I put that shoulder in your chest, and when I heard, like, yep, got it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, and especially too, it just the defense, right? It just does something to the defense. Like, damn, I foul when he still scored. Like, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yes, yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Now I'm now I'm talking my shit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, hey, that's that mental that we talked about last week.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Now I'm talking, yeah. Mr. Rick, you ain't had to call it, I was gonna make it anyway.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, hey, but but you want me to tell you the beautiful thing is is when you ain't talking your stuff, you just give me that look, like yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like you know you're getting your head bit. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I used to do. I I didn't do a lot of talking. I just I get that air one, I just look like.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, sometimes you just too tired.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You play the full court defense. Yeah, I'm about to. You go, you know what happened. I'm tired. I won't talk tired, but I'm tired.
SPEAKER_03I'm tired.
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna give you a look. I'm gonna give you a look. Like, you know what's happening.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so so, but no, no, definitely, definitely strength, man. Definitely strength for sure. So at this time, we are going to transition. We had our prospect on. We also talked about player development. Now we're gonna transition it into fitness. First question I have when it comes to fitness, and I'm uh I'm going to go on the limb and not just talk about athletes, but talk about the person in general. What's the one thing a person, whether athlete or non-athlete, can do in order to stay in shape?
SPEAKER_04Be consistent.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_04Be consistent. To stay in shape, you need consistency. Um and and uh it just it's it's not super complicated, you know. Am I consistently making the right food choices? Am I consistently hydrating my body? Am I consistently resting, getting enough hours of sleep? Am I consistently doing a workout program that is good for my body, right? What's good for you ain't gonna be good for me. It might not be, right? Might not be good for a client of ours because there's different fitness levels and stuff like that. So you got to be open and honest about where you are in life and find the consistency. Very few people can't get it done if they really want to.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I I I think in knowing your body, you also gotta know your body type. You know, the the metamorph, the mesomorph, the ectomorph. You have to know like how your particular body can lose weight. Because it's different. You know, I'm a mesomorph. I'm I am if I get to get to really lifting weights, I just I bulk up. But if I'm not lifting weights, I don't necessarily get fat. I end up getting skinny. You know, so I I know that about myself. I remember when I was in college, man. Um, I really just ate the weights one summer and I come back looking like a tailback. And when I told when I told people that I play basketball, they was like, what? I thought you was a running back. You overdid it, my brother. You overdid it. Hey, hey, I did, but it paid off though. It paid off because I was killing it. I I hey, I remember I told you in the past, my my boy, my idol, who I modeled my game after was freaking Baron Davis. So I was in every facet at the NAI level, boy. Yeah, yeah. I'm talking about going to the hole and cats really bouncing off playing defense, like getting out of my way because they didn't want to make contact with me.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that that's a lot of basketball players. When they see that and they they feel it one time, they don't want no more.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04The real hitters are in football.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04The real hitters, you know what I'm saying? That's where all of them they really want to try that nigga in football.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so so no, so I I think that I think that for the general population is knowing your knowing your body and like going the extra mile, there's different tests and things that you can get done to um nowadays to see like what's the best avenue for you to lift weight, weights, and I think more than anything is what are you putting in your body? I think that's more important than anything. Because you can do all everything you need to do, but if you ain't putting it in your body what you need to put in your body, you are not gonna lose weight, you are not gonna gain muscle, whatever it is you're trying to do, it ain't happening.
SPEAKER_04No, no. Um, and that's so true. And and before everyone runs to get a shot, you know what I'm saying? Put some work in first, yeah, right. You know, everybody like getting these shots, but uh calm down, put in some work first.
SPEAKER_02You might not need it, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, and by the way, we're not judging nobody that takes the shot.
SPEAKER_04No, not at all. Because some people need it, yes, yes. We just saying before you go that route, put in some work, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And here's here's what I would say. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say this lady's name, but she was a former client of mine, and I helped her lose over 300 pounds, right? Now, here's the thing, Coach Miller, is when we first started, that consistency that you're talking about, the first month, all I did, and matter of fact, no, not the first month, the first two weeks. To get her body in gear, all we did was I had her meet me at the gym at five in the morning, right? Her meet me at the gym at five in the morning. I simply said, I want you to stand here for three minutes and imagine yourself walking on this trail. We did that for the first two weeks. Okay, didn't touch her weight, didn't do anything. Just the whole goal was to get her used to getting her body in gear. Yes. Getting her used to getting her body in gear. And then after that, the next the next two weeks, right? The next two weeks is when we started walking on the trail. Yeah, is when we started walking on the trail. Give me give me one second. We wanted some airtime. So but but like I was saying, so the first the next two weeks, what we did was um she got on the treadmill and she just walked for 10 minutes. And then we built we pretty much built it from there. And so guess what? Now she is actually a personal trainer, and she couldn't have done it without me.
SPEAKER_04That's that's dope. Yeah, and and and she has so much that she can give.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that was one of my proud moments is being gay, but it took a it took us about for her to lose the 300 pounds, it took us about three or four years, you know, of her giving up, coming back, consistently giving up, coming back, giving up, coming back. It's frustrating, it's frustrating. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. She would she would call and and you know, give me some not so nice words. And I was like, okay, well, I'll see you tomorrow.
SPEAKER_04I've been there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so so you know, I mean, it it it it is what it is, but yes, I do agree with consistency, and I also agree with outside of consistency is not letting um it is if you're going to change your habits, you also need to change the humans around you. Because if you don't change, if you want to change your habits, but you still have the same humans around you, you're not gonna change your habits. It just is what it is.
SPEAKER_04Um having a tribe that got your back can help you sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so so I think I think um those particular things for all my people out there who want to have a better fitness journey and want to get in shape. Once again, this particular section isn't just for our athletes, it's just for the general population. Our goal is to give you tips uh from our expertise as both personal trainers and player development coaches, because one thing that people don't realize is even being a player development coach, there's still an element of fitness and motivation that you have to have even with athletes.
SPEAKER_04Um it's it's very important. It can be the difference between you getting to the next level.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04It really is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. So hey, Coach BJ, man. I want to say thank you, man. We this is season two, episode.
SPEAKER_04Man, hey, I love you, man. It's my birthday, and I'm on this thing.
SPEAKER_02Hey, happy birthday, brother!
SPEAKER_04Yeah, my birthday.
SPEAKER_02Happy birthday to you, yeah. All right, all right, yeah. So, hey, so we're gonna go ahead and end this, man. Episode two, season two. It's on and popping. Listen, Discover Talk, hashtag we see you.
