The Tenth Man Podcast with Kevin Travis

S5 E07 - Would You Want Christians or Iranian Muslims to Rescue You

Kevin Travis Season 5 Episode 7

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Church Songs, Christian Culture, and the Downed F-15 Over Iran

The episode opens with an American F-15 shot down over Iran and contrasts why a downed airman would fear capture by Iranians, then shifts into a critique of repetitive “progressive” church music and the idea that simplifying worship will bring people back. It notes how Easter TV programming features abundant Christian stories and experts while arguing narratives rarely continue into Islamic history, then frames the Iran conflict as fundamentally religious and contrasts Christian nations’ stability and humanitarian aid with what it describes as repression and violence in Muslim-led states. The host rejects warnings about “Christian nationalists,” argues Christianity underpins Western moral standards and constitutions, and returns to the stranded weapons officer’s dilemma: being found by rescuers versus being found to be used, concluding with the choice between landing near a church or a mosque.

00:00 Ejection Over Iran
00:22 Easter Song Rant
02:24 Bible Shows And Missing History
04:04 Christianity Versus Islam
05:37 Christian Morality Standard
07:57 Nordic Example
10:16 Muslims In Christian Nations
11:07 Iran Theocracy Contrast
12:54 Religious War And Politics
15:42 Aid And Leadership Hypocrisy
17:52 Airman Hunted On Ground
19:33 Church Or Mosque Choice

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An American airman ejects from his F 15 crippled over Iran. Why anyone floating to earth in a parachute would rather land in the church courtyard than in a mosque. Today on the 10th, man, well, Easter is over and one point of relief for those of us who attend church might be that we won't have to hear the song. Were you there again? This is one of the very repetitive new songs that some of us call seven 11 songs. That's where you get seven words repeated 11 times, eh, it's actually eight words in this case. Were you there when they crucified? My Lord. Then it goes, were they the, were you there when they nailed him to the tree? Oh, that was two whole verses. Uh, it's, were you there when they crucified? My Lord, you've repeated it four times. Say, oh, then repeat it one more time. Then you change one word and well, you get the point. It's kind of like when you were in grade school and you'd sang, you'd sing when the wheels on the bus go round and round. Well, it's not when the wheels, but you know what I'm saying. Some of the people in charge of church think that, uh, they have to be woke and progressive and sing. Simple children's songs to bring people back to church. And that's not gonna work. This song, I, and I don't wanna be overly critical of it, but, uh, the reason it's so repetitive, it's, it's, it's children a children's song to sing around the campfire and it's easy to, to learn. But we have other songs, um, the old Rugged Cross that you could sing and people are. Smart enough, sophisticated enough to learn those words and understand them, and it's a misconception to think that you can dummy down religion and bring people back. And I'm not against singing that song ever. Don't misunderstand. I'm just against singing a song that's very repetitive all the time, singing it every, at every single service in the month of March, leading up to Easter. But one of the good things that Easter brings is there's dozens of programs on television, Christian movies and specials and documentaries that both entertain and educate about the life of Christ. And other people in the Bible. Did you ever think how fascinating it is that there are so many programs? I mean, not everybody's a Christian, but all these shows on tv. It is also fascinating how many different experts there are that you can that that can talk about Jesus and the Bible and our religious heritage. There are so many experts and some of them are clergymen and some of them them are scholars, and some of them are just historians and many of them are not even believers. In a world where we're told to be fearful of Christians and of Christian nationalism, we have hundreds of stories and thousands of experts to talk about the stories and isn't it interesting how the stories stop at the death of Christ? They don't continue into the history of Mohammed. Now, you know, Islam started 600 years after the death of Christ, but it's considered to be, um, Islam that is one of the, a Abrahamic religions as they're called. And yet, while we saw stories about Jesus and about his mother and other historical characters of the time, and fictional characters like Ben Hur and stories about people in the past, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and the 10 Commandments. We have 2000 years before Jesus, but nothing after. Well, how would that look? Would they show Mohammed conquering Medina? Would they show the skulls piled up in front of the cities where people resisted the sword of Muhammad? Because just as in the stories we watched this weekend and in the history, since then, all of the violence has been against the Christians. The Muslims took Jerusalem in order to keep Christians and Jews away from their places of worship, and they didn't get it back until 1967. And since then, everyone has been free to come and go. The violence only seems to take place whenever the Muslims are in charge. All those programs played on television against the backdrop of the Iran War where that F 15 has just been shot down. The pilot was recovered almost immediately, but the weapons officer was on the ground for two days. When the United States sank the Iranian ship Dena, last month, we were criticized for not rescuing any of the crewmen. Now clearly the Iranians were looking for our endowed airmen very vigorously. But this Air Force weapons officer was doing his best not to be quote, rescued unquote by the Iranians. Anybody who is lost when at war, when with the United States has as his concern, not will I be found, but who will find me? And no one wants to be found by the Iranians. You wanna be found by the Americans, and that's because the United States is a Christian nation, a nation with a culture, a system, a heritage of humanity based on Christianity. Because Christianity is a universal moral standard whether you accept it or not. Now just look at how Christians are criticized by the atheists. You see, the atheists will take our Bible and point out how we don't follow it very well and call us hypocrites. But isn't it a funny thing? It's our Bible that they're using as their standard of morality. And of course we would agree with them when they point out our hypocrisy and we'll just say, yes, we need to try to do better. The point being, the Bible is still the standard. It's the standard everywhere. Now you might think it's the Constitution. Well, the US Constitution is based on the Bible and every other nation's constitution is based on the US Constitution. Not only that, the Constitution could be changed, and you see that in many African nations where they just change the cons Constitution. Every time it says the Ugandan president has been in office too long. He just amends the Constitution, but nobody's amending the Bible. And you show me a government that is not following the Bible, and I'll show you a government that is repressive. We're saying all this because of the common claim nowadays in the United States, that we have to fear Christian nationalists. Well, Christians never hurt anybody. In fact, and this is the core claim, wherever Christianity spreads, there's stability and prosperity. Do they have to be Christians or just Christian principles? That's debatable. You can argue that you can have Christian principles without Christianity. We probably have more and more of that in this world. People who follow Christian values without being Christians. And we have to be careful because that can't last and, and that's all the preaching I'll do. But just for an example of this, look at the Nordic nations, Sweden, Denmark, Norway. Those are nice places to live, and it's not because they're white, but a thousand years ago, the Nordic countries were the home of the Vikings and those were the radical Muslims of their day because their religion told 'em it was just fine to go and abuse others. Other peoples could be raped, they could be murdered, they could be plundered, and it was all okay 'cause they were different people. And that's just like the radical Muslims do today. So back then they were violent and now they're both peaceful and prosperous. And what's the only difference between then and now? Christianity. Yes, those are Christian nations. In fact, all the Scandinavian countries, each one of them has a, an actual state religion. And just look at any other civilization, those that are dominated by other religions, whether it's Hindu or Buddhist, Sikh. Shinto Janist, even the Muslims, the happiest and most productive people in any of those religions are the ones living in a Christian nation. Now, how am I measuring that? By some statistic actually, uh, just by the popular vote, the only vote that really counts the popular vote, known as voting with your feet. 'cause the. The progressive Democrats in the United States, you don't see any of them moving to India. None of none of them are moving to Asia or to the Middle East. Now, a fair number have threatened to leave the United States and go to Europe or Canada. A couple even did it, but only a few. And yet there are plenty of members of the Eastern religions who wanna move to the US or any other Christian country. And they have no fear of being persecuted. Once they get here, they have more chance of being persecuted by their own people in their own countries than they have of being persecuted in any Christian country. And we mentioned the Muslims. This applies to the Muslims of the Christian nations as well. Now these Muslims are mostly a different breed compared to the Muslims of the of the Middle East. For the most part, Muslims who've been coming to the us, they've been coming and being assimilated. They've been a thriving and adopting Christian American values, values rooted in Christian interpretation of the Bible. Believe me, I know. I live in southeast Michigan and Well, yeah. Many of 'em are still idiots. They, after all, they voted for Rashida Tlaib And of course we've got the Somalian thieves in Minneapolis, and a fair number of people from both groups have become radicalized and joined up with the terrorists in the Middle East, but they're not the majority. But just look at any Muslim nation on the other hand, and even the best Muslim nations like Saudi Arabia or Qatar or Indonesia. They may be stable on the outside, but they're harsh and repressive on the inside at best and the worst Muslim nations of course, are those like Iran, a terrorist state sponsoring terror worldwide, and people need to be reminded that their head of state, their supreme ruler is an actual clergyman. The Ayatollah is a mullah. He's like a priest, a minister, a preacher. Can you imagine going to this man for guidance, for teaching, for counsel to have him bless your babies? Well, that's what you'd have to compare it to. If you want to say that you fear Christianity. Now compare that to Christian Scholars. Are there any Christian clergymen who are running a country? Pope Leo is the only one I know of because the Vatican is technically a country, but he's not calling for war far from it. Now the Democrats tell us that we should be in fear of Christian nationalists. You know, I think of myself as a practicing Christian, but I can't say I know of any Christian nationalists. Everyone since the founding of our country has taught and believed that we are a nation under God and that everyone should be free to worship God in the manner in which he chooses. That's not really going all that far, and it's about as far as we do go. And the thing about the war in Iran is. It is a religious war. Just like in the seven hundreds when the Muslims were attacking Christians in the Middle East. They're attacking Jews right now. It might not be all Muslims attacking the Jews, but if there were no Muslims, there would be no war Christians. Christians like peace Christians don't call for violence. There are Christians fighting, but they're attacking and reacting to the violence, and yet Democrats are saying that because of Trump's actions in Iran, we should all be afraid of Christian nationalists and be afraid of Christians. Well, they are right about one thing. They should be afraid of the Christians, but not for what the Christians will do, but for what they won't do. We started by making fun of the progressive church songs and by extension the progressive Christians because when the Democrats go around attacking Christians, both verbally and actually invading our places of worship, what they're forgetting is that there are just as many progressives in the church as there are in society, or they wouldn't be there for me to make fun of. And when the Democrats attack Christians. You're gonna start seeing those Christians just walk away. They're not going to attack you. They're just going to leave you because Christians know where the violence originates. There aren't any Christians who are calling for eradication and genocide. People like to scream genocide all the time, but it's not the Christians who have this slogan from the river to the sea. Which are code words for Jewish genocide. We're not producing altered maps with entire countries missing like they do for Israel and Christians only go to war as a last resort. Yeah. I know America attacks other countries all the time. Yes, but in order to keep going to war repeatedly, you have to have at first stopped going to war. The thing that is never ending is the Muslim conflicts. Has the US intervened repeatedly in the Middle East? Yes, because the fighting in the Middle East is endless. And the other thing that is endless is the aid that we send, and we do send military aid to people to help them defend themselves, but that too is period, periodic and reactionary. What is endless is the humanitarian aid. Humanitarian aid is truly endless and it's one directional. It flows from the Christian nations to the non-Christian nations. The unending aid from the Muslim nations is arms. Muslim terrorist countries like Iran will send guns to anyone who will commit terror on their behalf. Another big difference is the reaction of Christian leadership. The leaders of Muslim nations remain silent about Iran's attacks. And unless and until Iran actually attacks them, they won't say a word, but the Western nations on the other hand, they give Iran every break while criticizing the countries on their own side. The criticism of Trump has been endless. Since the war started And we mentioned the Pope. The Pope only speaks out when the West Acts. Pope Leo has been very vocal about the Iran war ever since President Trump started acting. He worries about the spiral of violence. He condemns airstrikes. Now that the US is using them. He frets about attacks on civilians, but that school was bombed by accident in the airstrikes. Iran and the Houthis and Hezbollah have been launching missiles and drones and ballistic missiles at civilians for years, and nothing is said. And there are ongoing wars in Somalia, Yemen, Sudan, Nigeria, and now a new war between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Muslim leadership is silent about all those conflicts and so is the pope. It's good that all these leaders are concerned about people dying in the conflict in Iran. Wouldn't it be nice if they were as concerned about the people dying at the hands of Muslims elsewhere in the world, but we can all be happy that we're safe living in a Christian country. So getting him back to that air crewman, he's on the ground alone. He's moving, hiding, and listening. And his question is not, am I going to be found and rescued, but who is going to find me? Because remember, the Iranian government told its citizens at first to kill him if you see him. And later they changed that to try and take him alive. You think that's because they're being humane? No, it's because he would just be more useful that way. The newspaper said they wanted him to use his leverage, and you know what that looks like? Remember 11 years ago a young pilot Moth Al Kabe, he was burned alive in a cage on camera by isis. I'm not sure Iran would do that, but you don't have to imagine the possibilities. They've done public executions of. Protestors in the public square, and then there's what they did back in 2016 when we weren't even at war. Iran detained 10 US sailors whose engine had quit and they drifted into Iranian waters. Rescued them. No, they captured them and they paraded them in front of cameras and mocked them. Later they did a reenactment in front of the cameras during the celebration of the Iranian revolution. So when you ask what happens to that man on the ground, you're not guessing, but choosing between patterns of two systems and two different cultures because one side wants to find him to rescue him and bring him home. And the other side, they just wanna find him to use him. And that brings you all the way back. You're drifting down, parachute open, two courtyards, a church and a mosque. If you could choose one, which would you pick deep down. Everyone already knows the answer. Thank you for listening.