Leaving The Fold, Finding Ourselves

What happens when the story that once held your whole life together starts to crack? We open up about growing up Mormon, the rush of certainty that came with believing we had the “full truth,” and the quiet costs that trailed behind it—guilt, perfection chasing, and a subtle sense of superiority we didn’t know we carried. Then we trace the messy, human process of walking away: the grief, the questions that wouldn’t sit still, and the surprising ways love, purpose, and identity rebuilt themselves once the script was gone.

We talk candidly about rules and worthiness culture—no coffee, strict dating standards, and the constant self-audit that shaped our teens and early marriage. We also share moments that once felt undeniably miraculous: priesthood blessings, sudden healings, and the power of collective faith. As we compared those stories with what we saw in other traditions, we found patterns that look a lot like expectation, community energy, and the inner capacity to change. Rather than dismiss the sacred, we widen it: if transformation shows up in temples, cathedrals, and living rooms, maybe the heart of it lives in people more than institutions.

Leaving didn’t just shift our beliefs; it forced us to refall in love. We married young with a clear script—marry, serve, have children—and later discovered that real partnership means meeting each other again and again as new people. Around our ten-year mark, we had to decide whether to stay out of habit or choose each other with honesty. We chose the work: better conversations, fewer scorecards, and intimacy without fear. As parents, we now trade inherited answers for shared tools—curiosity, consent, accountability, and compassion—so our kids can build a self that fits from the inside.

If you’ve ever outgrown a belief, questioned a miracle, or wondered who you are without the script, this conversation is a warm hand on your shoulder. Join us as we make space for evolving truths, carry forward what’s beautiful, and let the rest go. If this resonates, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review—then tell us: what belief did you outgrow, and what did it make room for?

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Hi, welcome to another episode of Life Changers. And this is Mike.

SPEAKER_03 0:05

And this is Krista.

Growing Up Mormon

SPEAKER_01 0:07

So welcome back to episode two. I don't even know what season it is. When I start posting these on, then I'll know the season. But yeah, so the first episode was just a little bit more of introducing what we were bringing to the table for the season as a couple and as telling our story and our truth. So let's get to it. So, like, the way we saw the world, like back when we were younger and in the religion, like, you know, and as you know, we might talk and tell stories of our youth or young adults, but we were in it pretty much, born into the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Let's just say Mormons from now on. Okay. It's easier and quicker.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Yeah. Okay, the Mormons. Utah. Anyways. Um, the Mormons, we were born into that religion. And then how old were we when we left? How many years has it been now? It goes so fast.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

I think like nine-ish years.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

No, more than that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

Around that. Around nine.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Was our last kid born?

SPEAKER_02 1:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

So yeah, nine, ten years since we left. So, like, maybe people would be interested, but it's funny to see how we think now. Like, I say we're, I call it, like, I don't know if it's the right term, saying we're free thinkers. I don't know. We think for ourselves.

SPEAKER_03 1:19

We I think we're just open.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

We are open. We accept everybody and anything, and everybody's reality and everybody's truth. Just nobody's forcing anybody's truth on people. I don't know. Because like growing up in the religion, it was like, for me, anyway, so you can tell me if I'm right or wrong for you, but for me, it was we have the full truth, right? That the Mormons believe like they have the full gospel. So the way like I was explained when I was younger was like somebody broke a mirror, and then all these people took the glass pieces of the glass, bits of truth. So the mirror's truth. Everybody took so all the religion out there has truth in it. But the Mormons have the full truth and the full gospel, and it's ordained by like God Himself for this church, and like they have the truth and the knowledge. So I felt like superior. I was like, oh so when I meet people in other religions, they're like, hey, you know, hi Mike Hothercoin.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

I'll be like, hey, what's your name? Oh, David, hey.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

And he's like, Yeah, I'm from you know, I'm I'm religion, he's letting you know, and I'm like, me too. And he's a Baptist. I'm like, cool, you know, what do you believe? And we talk about what we believe, right? And I'm I'd always feel like I'm better than you, because I have the full truth. I'm sorry.

The Comfort Of Having All Answers

SPEAKER_03 2:27

That's what you're taught though, like in the Mormon church. I think in most churches they teach that, that you have that full truth and no one else has that. So that's why there is that superiority complex, I guess, in a sense. But like like I also genuinely believed that I had the full truth, that like I knew things that other people didn't know. And that's why I was I was okay being different because I had that full truth, and that's what mattered most, right? Yeah, it didn't matter that I missed out on other things or yeah, having that truth was it felt amazing, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Right? It was a new high, no religious high. But yeah, like feeling like you knew everything, like I knew where we came from, I know where we're gonna go, right? So in the Mormon church, it's like, you know, you're born down here from heavenly parents. Yeah, yeah, like we're spirits and up there, we want bodies, so we have to come down here, and then we're coming to learn and experience life and get a body, and then you know, stuff like that. So, yeah, like feeling like I knew everything and I knew where was gonna happen after death, right? When people are like, Do you know the meaning of life? Like we did. Yeah, we did. I remember I was in Montreal on the Metro, which is like everybody calls it a subway system, but like in Quebec, it's called the Metro, Underground Subway. And I would talk to people, I'd remember, like, I'd be like 18 years old, and even if like younger than that sometimes, hang out with friends, and then like I see somebody all sad and depressed, and I'm like, what's going on? And some people would be like, like adults, grown adults, like 40, 50-year-old adults will look at me and be like, Oh, you will never I'm like, Are you okay? Like, you know, and I guess I have this energy about me, and they're just like, Okay, you know, you Scott, you seem cool. Like, you're not like thug kids, right? You guys seem like cool if we're well dressed, we're going to like a church activity or something. And it's like, what's going on? And this person's like, Well, my wife just died, and you know, is there life after death? And I'll be like, Well, there is because this is what I was taught, this is what I believe, and then that was my reality, that was my truth, right? And everybody's truth changes. It's either you're gonna keep the same or you're gonna grow. And I guess we grew, but back then it was like, This is my truth. Yeah, there's life after death. Like, you know, in the end of time, you know, when we all die, we're gonna get back with our wife and our kids, and we'll, you know, just like we live down here, we live in the spirit world. And you know, hopefully you're good enough to make it to heaven. If not, you know, you can make it just a little, you know, not true heaven, but it's still heaven. Because we believe in different glories of heaven, right? In the Mormon Church. There's three different glories, and then in there apparently there's many more, but whatever. In a nutshell, and then it's like, yeah, and then like you guys can visit each other, hang out with each other. It's just you can't go up, but if you're up, you can go down and visit everybody, and it's just like living life down here, but in the spirit.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

It felt pretty great having all of life's answers.

Guilt, Rules, And Worthiness

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Right. And you know, I remember talking to people and be like, oh, you know, like people have blinders on most religions, blinders, but our religion is we see the world. But when we left, we're like, wow, that wasn't a reality. There's a lot more to the world.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

It was quite devastating when we left. At least for me, I was definitely devastated.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

It was hard. It was hard. But like feeling like you knew everything, you knew where you're gonna go, you had purpose.

SPEAKER_03 5:40

I think it's a good way to live, honestly. Like it felt like it like it was a good childhood having all the answers to life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Yeah. There's a lot of stress too because you break rules, commandments and whatnot. But in in a nutshell, I guess, you know, yeah, it was good, like feeling that good, that uplifting, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:00

But there was also, yeah, there was also a lot of pressure, a lot of guilt. And okay, just to clarify, I was a really good kid, okay? But the amount of guilt I was under was insane for the smallest little things, like, oh, I didn't read my scriptures that day. The amount of guilt I felt, because well, now I'm not going to heaven, obviously. So there was there was a lot of good and then also a lot of negative.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Yeah, I guess the negative would be you're trying your best to be perfect, so you go to heaven, and then every time you screw up, you're like, Oh, I'm gonna go to hell.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Right? And the Mormon religion, I I say it's pretty strict, right? In a sense. Lots of rules and like no coffee, no alcohol.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

What's it called? The word of wisdom.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Yeah, the word of wisdom. They have something called the word of wisdom. You guys can Google it, get all the info.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

See what the word of wisdom is.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

But yeah, we lived by it where like no alcohol, no smoking, no nothing addictive. So if I was addicted to like Coca-Cola, then oh no, I shouldn't drink it because it we don't believe in being addicted to anything. But we were addicted to religion. That's alright. But like, yeah, and like we had the word of wisdom, uh, where like we I guess try not to swear.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Oh, yeah, no swearing either, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Yeah, I remember one time, just a side note here. She's laughing, just a side note. When we were dating, I said, damn it, or damn, something like that. And then she got offended. So on a level of one to ten, Krista was like ten, maybe eleven in the church. Like that's how perfect she was. Hard four. She was hardcore. I was more like a three, a four, like, you know, you rebel, you do bad things. So he liked to swear. So I swore a lot as a kid, even as an adult, I guess. But uh yeah, and also like no um when you're younger, you don't have no long-term relationships, right? You can't date till you're 14. 16. 16, yeah. Sixteen. You can't date till you're sixteen.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

And then definitely no sex.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Yeah, no sex, no nothing.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

Nothing, nothing just holding hands, that's all you're allowed to do.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Yeah, hold hands, kiss, like no French kissing or soul kissing, as some people call it. Nothing like that. Like no being alone with each other, like in a room or anything, like because that's temptation, you know, right?

Dating, Purity Norms, And Pressure

SPEAKER_03 8:11

You had to avoid the appearance of evil as well. So like not going off alone with a guy because the appearance of that doesn't look too good, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:20

So it could be very stressful.

SPEAKER_03 8:23

But also like I had a lot of guilt because of you dating you.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

So I was a bad boy.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

Not to the world standards, but to the Mormon standards.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

I guess yes, to the Mormon standards. I was a bad boy. To the world standards are like, what?

SPEAKER_03 8:39

Vanilla.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Is that the term vanilla?

SPEAKER_03 8:43

No, not the vanilla. No, we're not vanilla. No, we are, we are.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

We're gone totally the opposite. We worship the devil now. No, I'm joking, I'm joking. Sorry, you gotta have jokes. But yeah, so it felt cool. Like, I would say the benefit is I guess I as somebody put it to me once, like, I was very cocky in the sense of like I knew the truth, I knew everything, and I felt like I had a connection with God, right? That like me and him are buddies. Me and Jesus, you know, we're hanging out, we're good.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

Hanging out, healing people, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

You know, I perform miracles, I guess you would say, I guess they're called miracles, right? Like healing the sick and stuff like that. But like all religion have miracles being performed and stuff like that. Because, like you hear me talk about in previous episodes, what you believe is real is real. There's nothing else to it. So your reality is your reality. So our reality back then was good trying to be trying to hold ourselves to a high standard to be perfect to go to heaven.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

And that we knew everything and everything.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

And you held the priesthood, which is like literally God's power in your hands.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

So yeah, we gotta mention now that you mention that. So yeah, in the the Mormon church, they have something called the priesthood. Um, and when you're younger, it's like I guess you start off as wow.

SPEAKER_03 10:06

Melchizedek?

SPEAKER_01 10:07

No.

SPEAKER_03 10:08

No? Eronic?

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Eronic? I don't remember anymore. It's been a while ago. Sorry, everybody. You start off with the priesthood and like it's service. When you're 12 years old, you serve. So you help hand out like the sacrament, which is like the water and the bread. And in some religions it's wine and wafer crackers.

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Not in the Mormon religion.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

You get bread.

SPEAKER_03 10:26

It's just water.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

And water. Sometimes it's homemade bread. It's really good.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

Oh, that was good bread.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Especially on fast Sundays.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

When you're like so hungry, that little piece of bread means so much to it.

Priesthood And Healing Stories

Faith, Law Of Attraction, And Miracles

SPEAKER_01 10:37

You always look for the biggest chunk. It's not breaking fast. I'm a good Mormon. But like, yeah, you hold have something called the priesthood, which is literally when you turn 18, then you could like it's uh Melchizedek priesthood back when you're fi 18, I believe. Um you can Google it if I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But like then you have the power to heal. Like it's to serve people, not for me. I don't have the power to heal myself, right? So if somebody was sick or somebody got hurt or whatever, somebody just needed some, you know, a pick-me-up or whatever, or depression or something, they can call upon the priesthood, and then two guys, 18 or older, that have them because their priesthood would come over and we'll give them a blessing and healing or whatever they need at that time. And it's cool. I've witnessed, and you were there, I believe. You were upstairs once with a bunch of teenagers when we me and uh somebody else went and healed. This lady was really, really sick, like her stomach hurt. I don't know, she was like really sick, crunched over pain and stuff. And then, like, yeah, we just put our hands on her head, we gave her a blessing and a healing, and like you could feel like the energy just like shift into like and then like even upstairs, they were all like blah blah blah, rowdy, and it's just quiet, and then like that was it, she was healed. Like it's amazing, and yeah, then she all everybody was crying, and it was cool and a good experience. And then people right now you're thinking, Well, then why did you leave? Well, I see a lot. This is my personal opinion. I see a lot of a law of attraction because I always thought, even as a young teenager, even as a young adult, like if our church is like the church I grew up in so perfect and so like God's chosen people, right? Then why is other religions healing people? Why do other religions have like the power, the same power that we we have if we're special? Right? And that's and it's just from my experience now, is yeah, there's a law of attraction because everything comes down to healing yourself. You have the power to do that in this amazing world we live in. Some people need a priesthood, like in the Mormon church, to come give them blessings, and even the wording, some of the wording is like, you know, we will heal you according to your faith, right? And according to your you know, desire and your faith in Jesus and like the Holy Ghost and God Almighty. So it's up to you. We put it on you, in a sense. And like I see that in a lot of different religions, like the Catholic Church in Montreal and Quebec is very prominent. There's like a big cathedral church, like huge, it's amazing. People were walking in there with crutches and wheelchairs, people were blind, people with casts couldn't, you know, walk or couldn't see or whatever, healed themselves and they were walked right out of there. They could see for the first time. And it's all according to their faith. And even growing up, that's what we heard, right, in the Book of Mormon, right? It's like, oh, you by your faith and your faith alone, you're gonna be healed. So yeah, it's to me, it sounds like the law of attraction because I believe that I need back then to the priesthood or priesthood holders to come give me a blessing, and then God's gonna heal me. So therefore, it's I'm gonna be healed. That's how easy it is, right? I know some people think I'm crazy, but that's just my observation and my experience. I'm not trashing anybody if they still believe whatever they believe. It's their journey, it's their truth, their reality. Because all we can do is talk about our truth and our journeys and our realities. Everybody wants to be heard. So listen to me. I guess we ruined that moment. But yeah, like it was an amazing experience, as Krista said, like knowing everything back then and feeling so. I guess I was a cocky person where I was like, I'm better than everybody.

SPEAKER_03 14:25

We didn't think it wasn't like that though, like in that sense, like being better than everyone else. It was just that we had the truth, and like when you're raised knowing the truth, you don't question that, you just assume that that's true.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Yeah, right? Like, as a parent now, and like when you we raise our kids, when I my parents raised me, like I might have mentioned this in other episodes, but like in a sense, like you program or brainwash or whatever you want to call it, your kids. Your kids will believe what you believe, right? You tell them this is the religion, this is the truth, you're a kid, you're gonna believe it, and then you go through the journey, and then either when you get older, you're just gonna continue or you're gonna find out for yourself.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

No, you have no reason to question it.

Programming, Family Dynamics, And Doubt

SPEAKER_01 15:08

Yeah, and like I remember questioning it when I was a teenager because I was a rebel, remember? Yeah, not as perfect as you. I'm sorry, I'm not an 11 on 10. That was a two or three. But I questioned it and stuff, and then there's this amazing family that moved into town, and I remember because like it's not that my house was broken or whatever, it's just it's just like you know, we were raised, and my parents did their best with the information they had of raising kids and stuff, and yes, we got into trouble a lot. We, you know, are crazy people. But I guess in a sense, like we're just uh living our reality. But you know, we were good Mormons, but we weren't perfect Mormons, like, and a lot of my older brothers and sisters left the church right before me and stuff like that. But this family moved that I remember watching them, and like I went home with them for the first time. Sounds creepy. I was 14 years old, and a random guy took me to his house to meet his family. But like in the Mormon world, like everybody's family, right? So, anyway, so we hung out like I said, my my my buddy was hanging out with me and all that, and uh, we went hung out and then yeah, we went to his house with his parents. And I remember like seeing like his older sister run out, Daddy's home, I love you, Daddy, and give him a big hug and stuff. I'm like, what the hell's going on here? Like I thought it was a show for me. Like, no, this is a show. And they came from the US, and uh, I guess like really more prominent, I guess, Mormon world for me in Quebec, like you could I could have snuck out, went to a bar or went to a strip joint or do be a bad person, and no one will know. It's not like I'm gonna bump into other Mormons, you know. But like if you live in Utah or parts of Alberta or like bigger cities where there's a lot of Mormons, yeah, you walk down the street, somebody, you know, could see you walk into a bar or walk, you know, whatever, right? Avoid the parents of evil, right? Can't hold a coffee cup and stuff like that, and people will rat you out. Bunch of narcs. They want you to be good, they want you to be a good person. Gotta repent. Anyways, I'm digressing. And yeah, I was watching this like, what are they putting on a show? Like, no one's this happy, nobody cares. Like, because my when my dad comes home, not everybody's running. It's like, oh dad's home, everybody stop what we're not supposed to be doing. Stop being bad. Stop being bad. Turn off the TV, we're supposed to be in bad. My older brother stops beating me up because oh dad's home.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

Sorry, okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Right? And like that's the way it was. But then the scene is perfect Mormon family, it's like, hmm, this is different. But they had a different, I guess, feeling to them. Like they've oh, they're happy. I was like, oh, I want happiness. And I don't know. I I know I'm probably ranting right now. But yeah. It was an interesting world we lived in because we thought we knew everything. And lo and behold, we don't.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

Oh, we didn't. Oh, we still don't.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Still don't. Nobody knows everything. I don't care what there's times where I'm like, I think I figured it out, Krista. She's like, oh yeah. And I'm like, yeah. Then later on, I'm like, nope. It's just we're all living life, we're all doing our best. So we're all oh yeah, I remember what I was talking about. Hey, people like it because this is real. That's good. But yeah, teaching our kids, we teach our kids, I guess, to believe like we tell them what we believe, but we tell them to figure think for themselves, you know, and research and figure out what if you want to believe what we believe, but we just believe in being good people in general. I don't care what religion you're in. Like even when I was younger, I'd be like, oh yeah, I would hang out with you, even though you're in a different religion, but I know I got the truth. And I'm gonna help you to convert you. There's always like, I guess that underlines we're trying to convert people.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Yeah, we'll bring it back to where we're supposed to be, so this is it. So yeah, so always like trying to convert people. It's kind of like being uh, what do you call those things? Multi-level marketing.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

Very similar. Right?

SPEAKER_01 19:05

That's what it felt like. Oh, that's my alarm going off. But yeah. So that's where our mindset was back then, is like we knew everything.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

But of course you wanted to convert people because you had the truth and like the knowledge of how to go to heaven and perf like be perfect, essentially, in the end, be a god, right? So why wouldn't you want to share that with people? So it makes sense that we did want that for other people as well. Because that was how you showed your love.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Yeah, it's true. Because like every time I figure something else, or you you know, you figure something and then like you just want to share it with everybody, it doesn't go well all the time. People are like, I don't want to hear that.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

Like the kefir.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Yes.

Marriage Young, Changing Love, And Leaving

SPEAKER_03 19:48

If you don't know what kefir is, it's these uh oh how do you even explain what it is? It's like this symbiotic um yeast and bacteria that you put into milk and it turns it into something called kefir. And it's this really healthy probiotic drink. And I thought it was the best thing in the world when I discovered it. And so I wanted to share it with my entire family, so I got all like five members that lived at home at the time, or like nearby me. I got them each like a little set, like a bunch of like a little bottle of kefir of their own, a little strainer and a little like another little container to hold it in. I was so excited for them to share this kefir, like to share the kefir with them. And they didn't think it was so cool.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

They're like, oh boy, here we go, Chris Bat.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Like all the crazy hippie Chris just gave us some weird shit.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

It was hilarious. I hear some Dutch people calling it kefir.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

I heard that, you know, kefir, and now it's popular.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

I see it in the it's always been popular grocery stores. You don't just share it to your whole family because they don't care.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

That's true. All right, and that brings me back to like you could show uh like I've talked about it many times. I could show people or talk to people about how you can start a company or how you can do this or do that or do this or do that. But not everybody's willing to listen and change.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

Or ready for it, or ready for the truth. Everyone's on a different path, and yeah, that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

And that's why we decided to do this podcast. It's just we're just gonna tell our story and people can either vibe with us or listen and make fun of us. I don't care. If we get listens, we got listens. And like as we flow and as we go, you'll hear it's gonna get you know more in depth, more about our current, you know, truths and all that. But it's funny to just be able, like I I I look at my wife, we've been married for 19 years, this last October that just passed. We're in November something now. And to believe, like, I think we fell in love what? Like three, four times?

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Lots of times.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Lots of times. And you think you're like, I know what love is, right? When we first got married, I know what love is. Me and you.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

We have no clue.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

We had no clue. And then like there's different stages. Like that's gonna be part of our story is talking about how hard it was to be where we are, to you know, because you have choices when you get married young, especially in the Mormon world, is to get married to have kids, right? To have sex. And then everybody always has kids because they weren't taught how to use contraceptives. We didn't we waited three years. Contraceptives. Contraceptives.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

It's a big word. It's okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Yes, it is. But um, yeah. Anyways, we usually get married, have kids, right? But we waited three years to have it because like I was 18.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

I'm gonna wait a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Yeah, so when we had our first daughter, you were 21, turning 22, yeah.

unknown 22:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Yeah, because she's only 18 for like a week or so after gay people. And we're I'm only like three and a half years older than you. So, anyways, I digress. But yeah. And it could be hard, right? Because you don't know somebody when you you're that young, you get married, and then you have kids. So when your kids are old and start like being independent, you look at each other like, hey roommate, who are you? And like I remember sometimes having some tough times, like and then I was talking to a buddies like, yeah, after ten years, you know, you you have to refall in love, or that's why you know people just get divorced, right? It's it's so easy just to give up on things, and for us not choosing to give up so easily throughout all our ten year mark where we left the church, like we had been married for about ten years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

And I think if we stayed, like we'll get more in depth to it, but I think if we stayed, we would be divorced right now.

SPEAKER_03 23:43

Oh, yeah, definitely. I know we'd probably still be together just because divorce is frowned upon. But we wouldn't be where we are right now.

Openness, Evolving Beliefs, And What’s Next

SPEAKER_01 23:51

True, we'd still think we knew what love was. But yeah, so like follow us on our journey, and I encourage you to share the podcast with everybody. Let's make this podcast go viral, and just follow the journey and see. And you'll we'll give you tips and tricks about business, we'll talk about relationships, we're gonna talk about all sorts of things and mainly about our journey, but that will help you in your life and your journey. And you sometimes might have questions of like, Who am I? And like that's a who are you? I have that question many times, even before we started recording with record, all right, recording one of the first episodes. I'm like, okay, we're gonna talk about who we are. She's like, Who am I? Tell me who I am.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

Don't do well under pressure, guys.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

But like, yeah, who are you? What do you believe? What do you believe now? Does that need to be your belief for your whole life? No, I don't believe so. You gotta just flow and go. And beliefs change. Sometimes it's hard, sometimes it's easy. It's harder for other people, it's easier for other people. But we're gonna talk about how our whole world came crashing down, and like pretty much your whole life, your truth, everything you believed in just gets ripped out from under you. Now, what do you do? And then you get to follow us through our whole journey of finding out who we are and where how we got to where we got. So, thank you very much for listening. And once again, this is Life Changers, and I'm Mike.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

And this is Krista.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

So, thank you very much. We love you, and stay tuned for the next episode. Later.