He Saw Their Future In A Dream And Said “I’m Going To Marry You”

A radio-voice joke turns into a confession: years before we met, a dream drew a map—a bridge, a girl, a phrase—and then real life walked straight into it. We trace the unlikely path from a blackout dinner where anything could happen to a wooden bridge where everything did. The tone swings between playful and raw as we unpack how faith, intuition, and stubborn chemistry overruled polite timelines and louder opinions.

We open the vault on the spiritual high that shaped our early choices, the exact moment a deja vu knocked the air out of a first date, and the sprint from “hi” to “yes.” Family concerns show up with force, rumors blur into reality, and trust has to be built in the space between what we believe and what we can prove. There’s a closed restaurant, a lobster dinner, a ring tucked into nerves, and the kind of proposal that feels more sincere than slick. Then comes the real curriculum: a temple sealing, a first year defined by tiny negotiations, and the work of turning a bold promise into a durable partnership.

If you’ve ever wondered whether destiny is a plan or a story we tell to keep going, this chapter sits right on that edge. We question divine intervention without dismissing it, laugh at our missteps, and admit how close friction can feel to failure. And yes, we leave a cliffhanger: the moment leadership asked us a question that changed the arc of our marriage and our faith. Hit play for a candid, funny, and unfiltered look at love under pressure, Mormon marriage culture, and the strange ways a dream can become a decision. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves a good origin story, and leave a review with your take: destiny or decisions?

Transcript

Banter And A “Radio Voice” Story

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Hi, welcome to another episode of Life Changers. And this is Mike.

SPEAKER_02 0:04

And this is Krista. You say it so quickly, like I don't even know if they can hear what you're saying. Oh, yeah. This is another episode of Life Changers.

SPEAKER_00 0:11

It's professional. I have a radio voice. Did you not know? Because I'm ugly.

unknown 0:16

You're not.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Okay, just a fun fact before we get into it, this podcast. I was taught I w I was in Canadian tire and I was trying to pick up we were buying a trailer. I was trying to pick up like the proper um attachment, like for the ball. Like I needed a two-inch ball for the trailer. Okay. Anyways, I'm in Toronto picking up a trailer. Anyways, and and I I don't know, some guy heard me talking to somebody and he goes, Hey, just letting you know, you know, I work in radio and you have a radio voice. Then I'm like, So does that mean I'm ugly? He's like, Yep. And he walks away. I'm like, give me your car. Like maybe I could be on the radio or something. Like you said, I have an amazing voice. Fuck you. Saying I'm ugly.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

I agree though. I do love your voice. Like I could just listen to it and fall asleep.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

You got that? She agrees. She loves my voice. I fall asleep. She agrees with it. That's what she said. I just said this guy says I'm ugly as fuck. And then she agrees with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

Obviously, I don't think you're ugly as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

She's just settling, folks. She's just settling. It's been 20 years of her fucking life.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Yeah, just settling after 20 years. It's a long settled.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Anyway, that's the preamble. So let's get into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

So stop hitting the table. I'm sorry. I'm excited. No, they don't. They're gonna think we're doing things.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Maybe we are.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Oh, we should. Oh no, we shouldn't. No, no. Take that out.

Dining In The Dark At Noir

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Okay, you know what? What we're gonna have to say one more little quick story. We went to a restaurant called Noir, right? Black, right? Night. And it was in Toronto the one we went to. There's one in Montreal, one in Toronto. So like literally, like it's legit. Look it up. So N-O-I-R? Noir. E-R. No I R N-O-I-R, I believe. Noir.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Anyways, look it up. It's in one in Toronto, one in Montreal. It's literally where they turn off all the lights, you can't see anything. Can't see nothing. Like even like my hand in front of my face. Nothing. And apparently everybody that works there is blind, so they know how to navigate. And they did pretty well. Except the one guy hit you in the head or something.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

No, somebody knocked a water over.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

But when it came to food, he like bumped you. No, he bumped me. Hit me in the arm. I'm like, oh, that's my arm. Give me my food. Anyways, it's really fun. And you get you could either do mystery, it says it's one of these three meals, or you could pick your meal.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

Yeah. We chose mystery.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

We chose mystery, one of the three.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Because then you have to like try to guess what you're eating, and it's so much harder than you can imagine.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

I know. I thought I had like pork or something, and it was chicken. I don't remember. I don't remember what it was. We were way off.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

But we were way off what we thought we were eating.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it was humid. Maybe they could. They could, we didn't know. But it was a really cool experience. So we did that for like a date, just so we saw it. This is when Groupon was a thing. I guess it was like buy one, get one free or something. I guess Groupon's not a thing anymore.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

I loved Groupons.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

And yeah, like that's where it came up because like they're like people were knocking things over. We were hearing things on the tables next to us.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

We're like things happening.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

They're probably doing it, you know. And other people were like, you know, we were like, hey man, are you guys doing it? No, I swear we're not. Just relax. So everybody's just having fun with it. And like, yeah, anybody could have been doing anything and we wouldn't have noticed.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Like it's pitch black, like there's no light at all.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

They must have a light.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Your eyes can't even adjust. Like you just it's so weird.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

It is weird. And like the the wait, the waiter, the waitress will come and be like, hey, I'm here to your right. I'm like, oh yeah, somebody's here. We'll be talking then they're like, hi guys, what the fuck? He's like, here's your food, and I'm trying to find it, and you know, and like they either hit you with it sometimes, or you hit them trying to find the plate and you put it in front of you.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

But I mean that was the end of the story. Nothing happened in that place.

unknown 4:00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

Lots of things happen.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

Use your imagination. No. After we left, we were kind of reading the newspaper article about it. Remember? Like the news article that they had outside. Uh we were reading it and they're like, oh yeah, like they mentioned, like, you know, who knows what people are doing. Oh, wing wing. We kind of were disappointed that we didn't do nothing.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Were we? I don't remember being disappointed.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

I guess I was.

unknown 4:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Anyways, that's just a side note. Check out that restaurant. If you guys want to sponsor me, that'd be great. It's a good restaurant to go have fun. The floors were quite sticky though. I was joining.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

It was very clean. I mean, we couldn't tell actually.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Well, at one point they turned on the lights, remember? When we're leaving, and they told us to close our eyes.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

I don't think so. No. They never turned the lights on.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

No, we walked out into that other room and then they opened the other door. I don't think they we ever saw inside of that building.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Uh vaguely remember seeing inside of it.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

In your dreams, maybe. Maybe. Yeah.

Pivot To How We Met

Spiritual High And Vivid Dream

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Hard to keep up with the realities I live in. Okay, so that was that side note. Back to our story of how we met. So we're on our first real date. But you gotta understand, two years before this, I know she's rolling her eyes right now. Oh, here we go. Storytime. I have a lot of episodes where I'm like, story time. It was good. Anyways, so a few years before this, before I even met Krista, I was like, you know, having like I guess a spiritual high or spiritual awakening, I guess you would call it in the Mormon world.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

He wasn't just high. It was a spiritual high. It's different.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

It would have made it better if I was high. So like I don't know. Like I was finding like my religion, I guess, back then. Like because I was always like a rebel, right? According to Krista Hick. I got the hiccups. I'm not pausing for dramatic. And it was amazing. Just I'm hiccuping right now. Anyways, and I'm like feeling like I'm gonna have a connection with something beyond this world. And tomorrow as a Mormon, I was like, you know, I'm connecting through the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, to like Heavenly Father. So I felt like I was having a good connection with angels and stuff, you know. Like Yeah, probably was high. No, we never did that stuff as a Mormon. Anyways. Oh did I no, huh? I smoked weed when I was 14. Continue. Anyways, long story short. So I'm like, you know, 18, 19, having this thing. I was doing like security jobs, working night shifts and stuff. And like I'd be walking through the woods, like you have to walk the fence line of this place I used to work at. And uh just talking, you know, feeling like I'm having a conversation, asking questions like, what's the meaning of this? What's what's this? What's that? What's the truth about fluoride? You know, stuff like that. But I feel like I'm getting answers back. So maybe I'm going crazy, but I felt like I was connected through the Holy Ghost to G to Jesus and to Heavenly Father. So I was talking to God, right? And that was my reality then. It was like I just felt like I was such a good person. And feeling like I have a good connection with like the other side or whatever it is. Um back then it was like God. And yeah, so I was having like all these awakenings and understandings, and I was always like, everything happens amazingly for me. And my brother would always say, if you listen to my early podcasts, he used to always tell me, like, you know, it's who we are, everything works out for us. Like, be positive, like we might get kicked in the nuts, but like we get back up and everything works out perfectly for us.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Who needs nuts anyway?

The Bridge Moment And “The Phrase”

SPEAKER_00 7:34

Yeah, and yeah, so like that's what I live by. Like, whatever, the world's my oyster, and God protects me because he loves me, and everything's gonna be perfect for me. So, whatever. Whatevs. And I was just like living this thing. So, anyway, so I'd have a lot of like vivid dreams, I guess you would call them, right? Vivid, vivid dreams, and I was like, wow, there's some meaning there, right? And I always try to find this hidden meaning that God was trying to show me and stuff like that. But I had this one dream in particular, and I was walking. Well, first I was in a dark area, then I could hear a voice talking to me saying, Hey, you know, Michelle, um, you need to hear a story. And I was like, Oh, okay. And it was this, you know, a girl's voice, like a woman's voice. I'm like, okay, you know, what's going on? What's going on, you know? It was a very vivid dream. It was as if I was really there. And it was like, well, here this is what's gonna happen. And I could see me like walking with this girl on a bridge. I didn't see her face, I could see what she was wearing, and like the back and her hair and everything. And then she was like, you know, this girl here, and this is you. And um, there's gonna be a phrase. This is the phrase, and she said the phrase, I don't remember it at this point. And I was like, okay, you know, like this was a cool dream, like pretty much showing me like this is the girl you're gonna marry. And as I woke up from that, I was like, Wow, that's cool, thank you, God, you know, for showing me this and all that, and never thought of it and didn't care about it after that. Like, life goes on, I had more things to do in life, and I forgot about that dream. Now, a few years later, I'm hanging out with Krista, and we're having ice cream, then we're walking on a wooden bridge, and then she stops, she turns around and says something and looks at me, and as if I transported from there back to the dream, and just like as if I like came into the into this reality, hit me like a ton of bricks, like everything. Like, I was I saw this before. She said the phrase, then I was just like, like I saw it all, experienced it. I'm like, I'm gonna marry you. So imagine being what 18 and a bit years old, hearing somebody's like, I'm gonna marry you.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

I think he like said like you said the phrase, or like it's you or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Right?

SPEAKER_02 9:45

Like I was tripping, and I was like, Wow, this guy is special.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Right? Yeah, it's like you said the phrase, like it's you, blah, blah, blah. Like just tripping out, freaking out. And uh, I guess I was coming off pretty creepy.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Not creepy, just out there a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

But in the Mormon world, you always hear stories like that. When I first saw my wife, I looked out and said, I'm gonna marry you because God told me to, right? So you kind of like, oh yeah, but this is the Mormon way. This is the way. Oh, I accepted it. She did, she accepted my crazy. But yeah, from like and if you read my journal If you can, if you can't, even I can't. But if you could read my journal, like it talks about like, oh, this girl held my hand. I love her, right? She kissed me before me. Before Krista. So then when I would write about Krista, I'd be like, oh well, I don't want to rush things. I don't wanna you know be like, I love her, like I do with everybody else. If you can't go on a mission, get married. So I gotta get married. Because if you're like what 25 and not married, you consider like garbage?

SPEAKER_02 10:53

No, you're just old.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

In the Mormon church, you're old, but then I have to go to Russia. That was plan B if I wasn't married by then. And yeah, so like um, well, just lost my train of thought. Yeah, so like I would write my journal, like, you know, you know, I'm just I'm trusting the process, trusting God and all that. And sure enough, we started dating. I asked you to be my girlfriend that weekend.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Was it that weekend? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

And then I think we even had our first kiss.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Yeah, it was funny. Our first kiss, I was I was like, Do I go in to kiss her? I don't want her to smack me.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Is that what you're worried about?

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Yeah. And then she's like, This is where you kiss me. I was like, oh, okay. But then like ten minutes later, you're trying to break up with me. She's like, Maybe we rushed, didn't you think? You gotta understand you're just horny, like young adults.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

I wasn't.

Early Dating, Kisses, And Doubts

SPEAKER_00 11:50

No, just in general, as Mormons, you're just come on. No one you can't release yourself. It's against the rules of the Mormon church. You can't sleep around because you gotta get married.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

So what does this have to do with what we were talking about, though?

SPEAKER_00 12:06

I don't know. Maybe you realize, like, oh no, it's just my hormones talking. Maybe we shouldn't date. I feel bad. You kissed me passionately. I got to repent.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

I think we were kissing passionately at the very beginning.

SPEAKER_00 12:17

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

But then I'm like, why would you want to break up with me? We just got together.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

So I convinced you to stay. That was my thing, eh?

SPEAKER_02 12:25

Well, it's more because like I was the perfect Mormon. Oh, yeah. And you were below me, remember?

SPEAKER_00 12:30

That is true. I don't know if we talked, yeah, we talked about that a little bit. So yeah, she was all pure and heavenly, and I was like little Mormon. I was like the devil's child trying to seduce her. Come with me.

SPEAKER_02 12:44

Kind of were.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

At least I was hot. Well, as I say was. Your mom was telling you not to date me, you know?

SPEAKER_02 12:59

Oh, yeah, definitely. I was 18. I was a baby. But I was like a young 18 too. I had like no life experience. I was very young.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

I think not a good age to get married yet. In the Mormon world, yeah.

unknown 13:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

So yeah, my mom didn't approve at first.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Yeah, even after we got married.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

She thought you were just a player.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

Even after we got married. I remember when we were dating. This is how creepy it was. In the Mormon world, man, you can get in contact with anybody. Her mom found out somehow where my mom was, talked to bishops and steak press, and finally got my mom's number. Oh, and this is when my parents moved to Alberta, they're all the way across the damn country.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

She was doing her research, okay?

SPEAKER_00 13:40

And she's talking to my mom. I love my mom to death. But like, we don't talk that often that much. And last she knew I was dating a girl from Germany. And I was 18 when I was dating this girl. Now I'm like 21.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

So it was a few years ago.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

It was a few years ago. And there's a point when I was engaged at later at 19, I guess, I was engaged to somebody in Ottawa, and then we broke up. So like my mom, like I love her.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Kind of got the stories mixed up a little.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

Yeah, her stories were all mixed up and all that. Like, yeah. And her English isn't the best. Like when I when I when I tell the story, like you a lot like it even Krista was like, why like that's not like that's not how your mom sounds, though she's my mom? She's like, You did it pretty good. When I make jokes with my mom. Anyways, so like, yeah, so her mom's talking to my mom. We're adults. Her mom's talking to my mom.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

It's not like we're like this barely an adult, though.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

I guess, yes. And pretty much my mom's like, like your mom was like, oh, you know, how's your how's you know, how's your boy? What kind of person he is? I guess. I don't know exactly, but pretty much the conversation came up, like, oh yeah, he's engaged to a girl, you know, in Germany. I was like, but my mom, like I would like, she would call me and I'd be on dates. Like, even I did it with you.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

And I'd be like, hey mom, how's it going? You know, we speak French a little bit, and then I'll start speaking English so Krista can hear what I'm saying. And then my mom would be like, Oh, what are you guys up to? I'm like, Oh, you know, we're making passionate love right now, you know, and just like all this stupid stuff I'll say, right? Like, oh, you know, whatever. We're naked, we're gonna do this and that. And then she's like, Oh, that's nice with her French accent. She doesn't understand.

Family Pushback And Misinformation

SPEAKER_02 15:29

I think if you like speak fast enough, she doesn't quite understand it all.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Especially in like she understands English, but if you speak really fast English, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Then it's like then she doesn't like catch on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Like, whatever. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

I mean that was back then. Maybe she's she's way better now.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Maybe, yeah, because she's been in Alberta for a while.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

But anyway, so yeah, like Krista'd be like, what's wrong with you? Don't worry, she doesn't know. She doesn't understand. She's like, it's not meeting your mom. I'm like, no, it's funny, it's funny, trust me. She likes it. She likes it.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

So anyway, back to the story where we were.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

So yeah, so get it like so then Krista's mom, I guess, goes to you.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

She confronted me, of course. She's like, Well, I just heard out that he's got a heard that he's got a a wife or I mean, you know, set to be married in Germany, you know. But like the story is that that's the story that I heard. And then she's like, you know, he's got a double life, right? That's what my mom's telling me. So I'm like, okay, I gotta confront him, I guess. I confront you with it, and you're like, well, I mean, some of it was true. Like, there's there's parts of it. And I was like, who do I trust? His mother or him, right?

SPEAKER_00 16:32

I I'm glad you talked to me about it because you could have just been like, screw this. Like, this is amazing. Like, like you have to like by hearing all these stories on we actually link it all together of how we like actually stayed together and got together and everything is like a miracle in itself.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

Sounds pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

It does sound crazy. So she's like asking me all this, like telling me, like, well, you're apparently married to this person in Germany, and I'm like, what the hell? I haven't dated her since I was 18.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

But like, I don't even know you that well. Like, why would your mom lie? That doesn't make sense. I get it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

It's true, it's true. But like I see it as like my mom's crazy. It's not that she's crazy, she just remembers things differently, and we don't talk that much.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

You just hadn't talked to her.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

I didn't talk to her. Well, you know, she moved all the way across the damn country. So I'm doing whatever I want on the East Coast. So I'm glad you talked to me about it.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

And I was like, But from that moment, my mom did not trust him or trust that he didn't have a double life.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Apparently, she didn't even trust me or like me to begin with.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

So not at all.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

So yeah, like I dealt with that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:30

They were telling me I was too young to, you know, be dating seriously. You know?

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Yeah, and you came up in the summer to Montreal and then you kind of like stayed with me. And I I was rooming with another person, so there's like a couple of like, and then she had a roommate too. But she knows never there. So yeah, you came up to visit, and I was working at like delivering Chinese food, I guess. Yeah, and you worked at the Chinese restaurant, and even the even they said we shouldn't see. Even the Chinese laders, like, you know, why are you with her? You do better. And they would tell me right in front of her, and like it was hilarious. Because she was learning to speak French. She's like, Your French was alright. You knew the whole menu in front. Like, this is how good she was. Like, she could study something, practice everything perfectly in whatever language you tell her to practice and studying in, and she'll figure that crap out. And then she did it. She'd be like, add from the phone, she'd be like, you know, Bonjour, Mejor Michelle, comment ça va, you know, like with a English accent, I kinda knew. And people would be like, I w uh trois. Oh, you want the combo number trois? Right? And she would do it right. And even the Chinese lady's like, Oh, you give me the phone, your French so bad. And the people on the other line are like, Well, no, I want to speak to the other girl. Her French was better than yours. For some reason they hated you. They hated you, they loved me.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

But we loved working there because we are saving up to buy our rings.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Yes, we yeah, we saved up to buy our engagement rings there.

Working, Saving, And Getting Engaged

SPEAKER_02 18:57

That's why like$1,000. It was such a big thing for us then.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

I know, right? Big spenders. So yeah, everybody's telling me, like, even girls that were jealous. I mean, how come you're not dating me? He said no to me to be with her. Did that happen a lot? I can't I promise you, there's a few girls in the YSA. And even when I was like 18, 19, there's this one girl, like I was hanging out with her a lot, and I liking her vibe and all that, but she had a 12-year-old kid. Like, I didn't realize how old she was, but like she was hot, experienced.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Age is just a number, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:27

That's right. She might have taught me a few things. Instead of me trying to figure things out by watching more movies. Okay, okay. Uh yes, Mormons don't, I guess for us and our reality of in the church, you don't get good uh sex education. My parents were like, you know, sex is made to have kids. That's how I grew up with. They didn't even use contracepts.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Off topic here. Let's say that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

I'm way off topic, but they should have. But then I wouldn't have been born because I'm number seven.

unknown 19:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Anyway, so yeah, a lot of people were telling me you weren't good enough for me. But you in your reality, I wasn't good enough for you. So maybe in your reality, it was like God's way of telling you, like, don't marry this guy, because like he's beneath you, you're better. Right? Maybe that's how you saw it. You just don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Oh no, that's how I saw it.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

No. So why did you stay with me? Because you like being with a bad boy?

SPEAKER_02 20:21

Oh, there was something special about you, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

And like I honestly did feel something special about you, but like you saw the potential, not the immediate. I I felt like I knew where life was gonna end up, but like, yeah. Because like she's a late bloomer. She looked young. Even now she looks young.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

It's true, it's true.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

You gotta understand, okay? Like what's that?

SPEAKER_02 20:55

That's me.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Oh, with the heater. Still straddling it. Oh, yes, keeping you warm. But like, that was it. Like, everybody's telling us that we shouldn't be together. And we decided to stay together. Maybe that's why we stayed together. We're like, screw everybody, we always do opposite. Human nature, fun fact. If somebody tells you no, you're not allowed to do that, you're gonna want to do it.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

Maybe that's why we stayed together. We're like, we're gonna do this.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Right? And like I guess we talked a little bit about how we when we got married and stuff. Like, so we dated for what? Uh three months, then we got engaged. This is normal in the Mormon world, you gotta understand that. And we knew each other for a year.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

We had only known each other like fully for a year when we got married. So we dated for a few months there.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Like six, seven?

SPEAKER_02 21:44

We weren't dating at like from the time that we first met to got married was a year.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Oh, so we must have been married like two or three months.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

It was really quick.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

But it sounds like we were horny, motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Okay, my parents might listen to this. Stop. No, then never mind.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Well, and if they do it doesn't matter. Your mom will be like, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

I don't do that stuff, mom.

Proposal Night And Why It Felt Right

SPEAKER_00 22:07

She's a good girl. And like, yeah, like we got engaged, we bought the rings, we got I proposed to you. The proposal was nice, right? So, like, okay, I'm gonna make it sound as nice as it did to me back then, but like in reality, it's like I don't know. So I I know a lot of people in the business world, right? Because I like I had my own business then. I hung out with a lot of business people and learned a lot of stuff. And this one guy in particular I was hanging out with him, and uh his name's Mario. Mario, if you're listening, it really is Mario, he's an Italian guy, Montreal. Anyways, and he owned uh a couple few franchises, and one of them happened to be a hotel with a nice restaurant and stuff. And I ran like a comedy network there, so I brought a whole comedy show there and stuff. It was cool. We did a lot of things there, and so I took it there for a date. The restaurant was closed, so I talked to the owner, like, yeah, do what you want. So like I ordered food, and she really liked lobster. So I got lobster, got the Chinese restaurant to make it all for me with the lobster and everything, and then I brought it all warmed up, put it inside, told her we're gonna go on on a date. So I was in the oven in the restaurant, and then we go there, I turn on music, played a nice playlist. It's a really nice, fancy restaurant. We had the whole place to ourself. Like, how's the waiter? See, in hindsight, it would have been better if I hired somebody to be a waiter.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

It was sweet.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

But like we'll play it's just us in this whole place. And uh in the restaurant. So, like, you know, bring the food, and I'm a big eater. And I'm like nervous and like jittery and stuff, and then as you know, when it comes to dessert, I finally pull it out of my pocket and propose to you, and it was sweet. It was good proposal. It's very sweet. But like it sounds pretty cool, you know. Nice, I don't know, four-star restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Two-star.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

It was it was a nice proposal. It was a nice proposal. I knew something was up because he didn't eat all of his meal.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

I barely touched it. Nervous. And then, like, yeah, like I don't know, it just felt special. Everything felt right. Like, was it because we're just horny? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

No, I think we knew we had potential.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

I I just felt that you were special. That's what it was. There's something special there. Because, like, from my reality at that point was like, why would God show me everything He showed me about us and confirm like a lot of times that I need to be with you throughout our whole marriage? So, like, it means you're special. So I was like, I gotta see this through, see why, why and like you know, proposed and we got married, right? And and this we get married in the in the Mormon world, we get married in the temple.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

And just to clarify, we were good Mormons, we didn't do anything that you weren't supposed to do before marriage.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

That is true. I can either confirm or deny these sex. No, no, we were good Mormons. We didn't have sex before marriage.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

We didn't think you were putting it out bluntly.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Yeah, it's gotta put it out bluntly. Yes. We're good Mormon people. Like, yeah, we kissed them. Had to go repent once in a while. But we knew we were gonna get married anyways.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

We weren't anyway.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

But no, we didn't have sex or nothing like that.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Awkward side. Why are you making it awkward? We didn't, like for real.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

No, no, we didn't. And we got we were we were good Mormons, actually. Like, because you have to go through a whole process to go get married in the Mormon temple. And it's not just for time, like for the till death do you part, it's for time and all eternity in the Mormon world. So like even the next life, the next life, we're still gonna marry you, I guess. Big commitment to make at such a young age.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

I would say our first year of marriage was quite difficult though.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Yeah, like there's like you know, the honeymoon stage, like it was fun, all that. Then you're like, why? What's it?

SPEAKER_02 25:46

It's a lot, a lot of learning, learning to live with someone because like you barely know.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Pretty much. And you're not allowed to live with like the opposite sex. Like, I kind of live with you uh until we got married.

Temple Marriage And First-Year Struggles

SPEAKER_02 25:58

We had stayed together for a few months there, but then for the last three months, we didn't stay together.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

Yeah, she went back to Toronto. I stayed in Montreal. Then we last time the next time I saw her was for the wedding. And like at this point, her mom was still like, he's still gonna even the day of, I think he's still.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Oh, she wasn't happy still.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

You can walk away, no one will care. People will actually be happy if we did. So we got married. And even after we got married, okay. So we got married, and we were living in Quebec, Montreal area, because that's where our my business was and everything. And you would get phone calls from your mom, and she'll still say, like I think every single week she'd call me. Do you want to come home yet?

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Are you are you happy? Do you want to come home?

SPEAKER_00 26:39

Does he hurt you? Blink twice if you're in if you want to get out.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

She was just checking. I married very young. I was 18 when I got married, still.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Yeah, she was 18, but like two weeks later she turned 19.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

But still very young and naive and yeah, she was very naive, actually.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

I couldn't believe anything.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Luckily, I married a very good guy.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Wow, is that so good? But yeah, and we were living, we moved to Montreal, Quebec, and yeah, she'd get these calls. Like her mama says, I'll come get you right now if you want out. Why? Hey, if you're listening, how come you didn't like me? I didn't feel loved at all.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

She thought I mean she thought you still had a fiance in Germany.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Maybe I did. Maybe I still do. Maybe. No, it'd be in Japan, if anything.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

Okay then. But inside joke. Just to clarify, my mom loves him now. So hey, we're not there yet in the story. Just have to like, you know, put that out there.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

There's no hate left there.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Whole family loves me.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

She doesn't call me anymore.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Yeah, I try to return her, but her parents won't take her back.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

You start calling her, so hey, is that offer still open?

SPEAKER_00 28:00

You gonna come get her? Oh, it's so true. Oh man. Yeah, we had an interesting thing. And like I had my company then, but it wasn't that successful. It was like up and down, up and down.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

We're all doing okay-ish, but we tried lots of different businesses together when we were first married. That's gonna be another story. That's like 12 stories.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

12 and one. But like, yeah. And I don't know to this day, like, I still think it's a miracle how we met and how we stay together. So, like at this point, you gotta understand, like, something intervened to have that dream. As I still thought at that up to this point, like it was God, you know. And there's times where she's like, Why am I doing here? Like, we should break up. You know, I'm sure I thought of it many times, like, well, let's just get divorced called a day. Like, it was a lot of hard times because you're going from doing what you want when you want to now there's two of us, and we have to like Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

I think we didn't know each other well enough. Like, yeah, we we talked a lot. Like we would stay up late, like talking every night when we were dating, but you don't really know a person until you're living with them.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

And then you're like, oh shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

So it's just a lot we we had a lot of getting to know new time.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Right? Yeah, well, many years.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

It was it was rough at first.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

Probably it was. And like we're still we were doing the Mormon life thing. And yeah, like in the Mormon world, after I got married, this is the cliffhanger. We met up to stake present and he asked a question to us. Dun dun dun dun.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

I don't remember the question either.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Yes, you do.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

We literally got married. We were just married for like not even uh six months before they asked us this question.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Oh, okay. Gotcha.

Miracles, Intervention, And Staying Together

SPEAKER_00 29:52

Cliffhanger. Well, hope you enjoyed that story. Like, yeah, you have to stick around, listen to these, and then we can give you the whole timeline of how it's a miracle that we're together and how here's another just an int thing, how like still to this day, even though like I might not believe everything I believed when I was a Mormon, it still helped me to understand everything and certain things now. That there's still divine intervention that made sure we got together. Just the question is what was it? I'll tell you what my theory is. Quite the cliffhanger. I'm I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

That was the wrong sound. Well, dum dum dum.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

I got a good voice on here though, eh? It does sound nice.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Sexy.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Okay, let's do a little uh MSR. What is it called?

SPEAKER_02 30:41

Uh ASMR.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

ASMR. Okay. You guys don't come for that crap. Well, thanks for listening. And you're gonna get we're getting our stories are getting better. Like you're getting into the thick of it, and then I guess next time we'll talk will be about how we started having doubts in the church. And then how our our marriage was getting rocky. There's divorce almost. I don't know how close. Maybe we were closer than we think. We're pretty close to getting divorced.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

But not in the first year.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

No, not within the first year. This is like ten years later or so. Because like we're not gonna sit here going, okay, year two. We did this, year three. No, like we're just giving you like the the meat, and then we can give you the big picture of no the fat's the best part. Yeah, that's why she married me. She likes them big, she likes them chunky.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

I like them red, I like them lumpy.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

Is that what it said? I think so. I don't remember that. Madagascar reference for anybody when the hippo came out.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

I'm not that fat. It was our song.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

I'm not even that fat, okay, guys.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

I wonder what they're imagining.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Just some morbidly obese guy who could have to stand up. Oh yeah. So hard. No, I'm not that fat, but yeah. I used to be really nice and fit and everything and being shallow, so it's karma's a bitch. So I gained some weight. I'm not even that big, just a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 32:11

Okay, let's get on with it.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Dad bod.

unknown 32:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Dad bods are in, yo. Well, anyways, thanks for putting up with us. And I hope you enjoyed this episode. Um, you know, tell all your friends how awesome we are and get everybody else to listen to us. But once again, this is Life Changers, and I'm Mike.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

And this is Krista.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

Thanks for listening and know that you are loved and appreciated. We'll talk soon. Peace.