{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":39.83,"endTime":44.33,"body":"Welcome to Intentional Teaching, a"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":39.83,"endTime":44.33,"body":"podcast aimed at educators to help them develop"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":44.33,"endTime":50.66,"body":"foundational teaching skills and explore new ideas"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":44.33,"endTime":50.66,"body":"and teaching. I'm your host, Derek Bruff. I hope"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":50.66,"endTime":55.58,"body":"this podcast helps you be more intentional in how"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":50.66,"endTime":55.58,"body":"you teach and in how you develop as a teacher over"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":55.58,"endTime":62.66,"body":"time. Last fall, I was invited to lead a webinar on"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":55.58,"endTime":62.66,"body":"authentic assignments in the age of AI by a company"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":62.66,"endTime":67.69999999999999,"body":"called Go React. Go React is an educational"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":62.66,"endTime":67.69999999999999,"body":"technology company that provides a tool that they"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":67.69999999999999,"endTime":72.97999999999999,"body":"call a, quote, skill, mastery and assessment"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":67.69999999999999,"endTime":72.97999999999999,"body":"platform. I would describe GoReact as a video"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":72.97999999999999,"endTime":78.14,"body":"annotation tool and a typical use case is having a"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":72.97999999999999,"endTime":78.14,"body":"student upload a video of themselves doing some"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":78.14,"endTime":83.33,"body":"performance task like giving a presentation and then"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":78.14,"endTime":83.33,"body":"using the annotation tools on the platform to"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":83.33,"endTime":90.08,"body":"provide time coded feedback to the student. Back in"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":83.33,"endTime":90.08,"body":"2020, I knew of Go react from some colleagues in"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":90.08,"endTime":95.6,"body":"education who used it regularly to provide feedback"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":90.08,"endTime":95.6,"body":"to student teachers who filmed themselves in their"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":95.6,"endTime":100.39999999999999,"body":"practice contexts. When my provost asked me to"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":95.6,"endTime":100.39999999999999,"body":"recommend some educational technologies the"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":100.39999999999999,"endTime":106.78999999999999,"body":"university should adopt to help with teaching during"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":100.39999999999999,"endTime":106.78999999999999,"body":"the pandemic. Go React was on my short list. Flash"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":106.78999999999999,"endTime":113.53999999999999,"body":"forward to 2023 and the advent of easy to use"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":106.78999999999999,"endTime":113.53999999999999,"body":"generative AI like ChatGPT and Microsoft Copilot and"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":113.53999999999999,"endTime":118.49,"body":"lots of faculty start looking into alternatives to"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":113.53999999999999,"endTime":118.49,"body":"traditional written essays, which are often easy to"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":118.49,"endTime":124.34,"body":"write with AI assistance. My webinar on authentic"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":118.49,"endTime":124.34,"body":"assignments for Go React was part of that shift in"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":124.34,"endTime":129.29,"body":"higher ed, and I was reminded that Go React is a"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":124.34,"endTime":129.29,"body":"really useful tool for certain authentic assignments,"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":129.70999999999998,"endTime":134.51,"body":"particularly ones that are performance based. I"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":129.70999999999998,"endTime":134.51,"body":"asked Go react if they could connect me with a"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":134.51,"endTime":139.73000000000002,"body":"couple of faculty who they knew to be using their"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":134.51,"endTime":139.73000000000002,"body":"platform intentionally and they were happy to oblige."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":140.51,"endTime":146.48000000000002,"body":"On today's podcast, I talk with Jeff Brzybylo, Chair"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":140.51,"endTime":146.48000000000002,"body":"of Communication Arts and head coach of the Speech"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":146.48000000000002,"endTime":151.94,"body":"and Debate team at Harper College in Illinois, and"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":146.48000000000002,"endTime":151.94,"body":"Thomas Fisher, clinical associate Professor of"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":151.94,"endTime":157.16,"body":"education and university supervisor for student"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":151.94,"endTime":157.16,"body":"teachers at the University of North Carolina at"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":157.16,"endTime":161.63,"body":"Charlotte. Both of these faculty have incorporated"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":157.16,"endTime":161.63,"body":"GoReact into their teaching in really thoughtful"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":161.63,"endTime":166.45999999999998,"body":"ways, and I think you'll get some ideas for using"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":161.63,"endTime":166.45999999999998,"body":"more video in your teaching. Whether or not you"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":166.45999999999998,"endTime":171.11,"body":"teach in a performance field like Jeff and Tom,"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":166.45999999999998,"endTime":171.11,"body":"before we jump into the interview, I wanted to share"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":171.11,"endTime":176.63,"body":"a new feature here on the podcast. Thanks to my"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":171.11,"endTime":176.63,"body":"podcast hosted BuzzSprout. You can now easily send"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":176.63,"endTime":182.75,"body":"me a text message with a question or comment or"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":176.63,"endTime":182.75,"body":"reaction to the show at the top of the shownotes or"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":182.75,"endTime":187.39999999999998,"body":"episode description. Depending on how your podcast"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":182.75,"endTime":187.39999999999998,"body":"player labels it, you'll find a link to use this new"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":187.39999999999998,"endTime":193.33999999999997,"body":"feature. Tapping that link on your phone will bring"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":187.39999999999998,"endTime":193.33999999999997,"body":"up a new text message with my show's ID number"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":193.33999999999997,"endTime":198.07999999999998,"body":"Prefilled. Don't delete that number. Just start"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":193.33999999999997,"endTime":198.07999999999998,"body":"typing your message to me. And don't forget to"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":198.07999999999998,"endTime":202.33999999999997,"body":"include your name since all I will get from the"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":198.07999999999998,"endTime":202.33999999999997,"body":"system is the last four digits of your phone number."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":203.24,"endTime":208.33999999999997,"body":"I can't text back. It's a one way system, but I will"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":203.24,"endTime":208.33999999999997,"body":"read your message and potentially respond in a"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":208.33999999999997,"endTime":213.23000000000002,"body":"future episode. Now on to the interview with Jeff"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":208.33999999999997,"endTime":213.23000000000002,"body":"Przybylo and Thomas Fisher."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":215.93,"endTime":219.5,"body":"Jeff and Tom, I'm glad to have you on the podcast."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":215.93,"endTime":219.5,"body":"Thanks for being here today. I'm excited to talk to"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":219.5,"endTime":219.64999999999998,"body":"you."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":220.64,"endTime":222.62,"body":"You're welcome. Yeah, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":223.51999999999998,"endTime":228.98000000000002,"body":"I'm going to start with my usual"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":223.51999999999998,"endTime":228.98000000000002,"body":"opening question. And Tom, maybe I'll ask you to go"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":228.98000000000002,"endTime":233.26999999999998,"body":"first. Can you tell us about a time when you"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":228.98000000000002,"endTime":233.26999999999998,"body":"realized you wanted to be an educator?"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":236.64,"endTime":242.69,"body":"That's a tough one because I've been"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":236.64,"endTime":242.69,"body":"doing this for 25 years this year, so it's tough to"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":242.69,"endTime":248.83999999999997,"body":"go back to that, although since we're on Zoom, I see."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":242.69,"endTime":248.83999999999997,"body":"I seem to think Jeff's probably got me by a couple"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":248.83999999999997,"endTime":251.45,"body":"of years in the education realm, but"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":252.62,"endTime":257.9,"body":"probably just looking back and saying that my"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":259.64,"endTime":268.16,"body":"high school education was just terrifying type of"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":259.64,"endTime":268.16,"body":"thing and that I wanted to be that high school"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":268.16,"endTime":276.26,"body":"teacher that didn't terrify kids and that you did"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":268.16,"endTime":276.26,"body":"want to actually learn. So that, you know, I had"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":276.26,"endTime":280.88,"body":"some of those, you know, instructors when I was in"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":276.26,"endTime":280.88,"body":"college and I was like, oh, you know, I was a"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":280.88,"endTime":286.25,"body":"history major. And then I was like, well, maybe I'll"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":280.88,"endTime":286.25,"body":"be a history teacher and not be a teacher. That"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":286.25,"endTime":287.24,"body":"terrifies kids."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":289.58,"endTime":291.02,"body":"Do you think you've met that goal in"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":289.58,"endTime":291.02,"body":"your life?"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":292.49,"endTime":297.05,"body":"I think I do. I think I do. I think"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":292.49,"endTime":297.05,"body":"one of the things that I try to do with the students"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":297.34999999999997,"endTime":304.88,"body":"when building those relationships is I create sort"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":297.34999999999997,"endTime":304.88,"body":"of that low risk environment early and I try to make"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":304.90999999999997,"endTime":313.72999999999996,"body":"sure that I am it's a safe space and that I am"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":304.90999999999997,"endTime":313.72999999999996,"body":"making sure they're good. And I have intentional"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":313.72999999999996,"endTime":321.16999999999996,"body":"sense. The name of the podcast. I use intentionality"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":313.72999999999996,"endTime":321.16999999999996,"body":"when I circulate and monitor, whether it's digitally"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":321.46999999999997,"endTime":328.66999999999996,"body":"or physically. I know who I want to talk to and I"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":321.46999999999997,"endTime":328.66999999999996,"body":"know who's not ready to talk, and I'll wait to bring"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":328.66999999999996,"endTime":335.21,"body":"them into the conversation. And I don't believe"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":328.66999999999996,"endTime":335.21,"body":"that's how everybody was taught and I don't think"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":335.21,"endTime":337.01,"body":"that's the way everybody's being taught today."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":337.4,"endTime":342.19,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Maybe some more on"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":337.4,"endTime":342.19,"body":"that in a minute. But, Jeff, what about you? What's"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":342.19,"endTime":344.39,"body":"the time when you realized you wanted to be an"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":342.19,"endTime":344.39,"body":"educator?"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":345.2,"endTime":350.53999999999996,"body":"You know, I grew up in a divorced"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":345.2,"endTime":350.53999999999996,"body":"family. My mom had two kids and was divorced by 19"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":350.53999999999996,"endTime":354.74,"body":"years old. So we moved around a lot. We went to a"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":350.53999999999996,"endTime":354.74,"body":"lot of different schools. I didn't have a lot of"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":354.74,"endTime":362.09,"body":"friends, and we moved to a school my freshman year"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":354.74,"endTime":362.09,"body":"in Mount Prospect Illinois, and we had to take oral"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":362.09,"endTime":369.44,"body":"communication. And my teacher's name, ironically,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":362.09,"endTime":369.44,"body":"was Mr. Good. And we had to we had to read a stories."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":369.44,"endTime":374.53999999999996,"body":"And my favorite story was Tales of a fourth Grade,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":369.44,"endTime":374.53999999999996,"body":"Nothing by a Judy Blume. 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I met my"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":391.52,"endTime":396.85999999999996,"body":"college debate coach, Judy Santa Catarina at NIU,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":397.4,"endTime":403.03999999999996,"body":"and it was in the middle of that when I started to"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":397.4,"endTime":403.03999999999996,"body":"see my life going and really positive directions"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":403.03999999999996,"endTime":409.21,"body":"that I said, You know what? I want to do that for"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":403.03999999999996,"endTime":409.21,"body":"other people. So I looked at one of my main jobs is"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":409.31,"endTime":413.57,"body":"to write, see me on people's critiques and see see"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":409.31,"endTime":413.57,"body":"if I could change their lives also."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":414.34999999999997,"endTime":418.94,"body":"I love it. I love it. So so perhaps"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":414.34999999999997,"endTime":418.94,"body":"some a negative example that motivated certain"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":418.94,"endTime":422.33,"body":"choices and a positive example that motivated"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":418.94,"endTime":422.33,"body":"similar choices."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":424.09999999999997,"endTime":430.01,"body":"Well, so I want to talk about go react and the ways"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":424.09999999999997,"endTime":430.01,"body":"that each of you use that in your courses and what"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":430.01,"endTime":432.53,"body":"kind of start with that and kind of see where the"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":430.01,"endTime":432.53,"body":"conversation goes."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":434.35999999999996,"endTime":439.72999999999996,"body":"Jeff, maybe I'll start with you. What tell us a"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":434.35999999999996,"endTime":439.72999999999996,"body":"little bit about the kind of course context in which"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":439.72999999999996,"endTime":445.90999999999997,"body":"you use go react so that we can kind of get a sense"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":439.72999999999996,"endTime":445.90999999999997,"body":"of of why that tool might be useful for, for that"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":445.90999999999997,"endTime":446.53999999999996,"body":"kind of course."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":447.28999999999996,"endTime":451.34,"body":"Yeah. I teach in the communication"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":447.28999999999996,"endTime":451.34,"body":"arts department so I teach public speaking,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":451.34,"endTime":456.05,"body":"interpersonal communication, small group"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":451.34,"endTime":456.05,"body":"communication, intercultural communication. And I"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":456.05,"endTime":463.52,"body":"also coached the speech and debate team and I use it"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":456.05,"endTime":463.52,"body":"in all of those contexts. I would if you asked what"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":463.88,"endTime":471.28999999999996,"body":"the main use would be, it's in the basic speech"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":463.88,"endTime":471.28999999999996,"body":"course. Ever since COVID students have wanted to be"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":471.28999999999996,"endTime":477.91999999999996,"body":"online. So we do teach public speaking online, and I"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":471.28999999999996,"endTime":477.91999999999996,"body":"don't know how we would do it without the tools that"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":477.91999999999996,"endTime":484.01,"body":"we get in go react. That's really made it doable."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":477.91999999999996,"endTime":484.01,"body":"But we also use it for some different kinds of"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":484.01,"endTime":488.45,"body":"assignments, not just uploading speeches in some of"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":484.01,"endTime":488.45,"body":"my other courses, which maybe we can get to a little"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":488.45,"endTime":493.82,"body":"later. But we've also been coaching our debate team"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":488.45,"endTime":493.82,"body":"with it. The students have been uploading debates"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":493.82,"endTime":500.06,"body":"and performances and then all our coaching staff can"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":493.82,"endTime":500.06,"body":"give comments from the comfort of their own home."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":500.45,"endTime":505.78999999999996,"body":"And the great thing is, is that those comments just"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":500.45,"endTime":505.78999999999996,"body":"don't go in one ear and out the other. If we're"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":505.82,"endTime":511.55,"body":"coaching face to face, they might hear things, but"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":505.82,"endTime":511.55,"body":"they forget them. With GoReact, it's there. We could"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":511.55,"endTime":517.19,"body":"type it, we can record stuff. So it's been really"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":511.55,"endTime":517.19,"body":"great and all, all parts of my job at Harper."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":518.15,"endTime":524.3000000000001,"body":"Wow. Well, I would say absolutely."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":518.15,"endTime":524.3000000000001,"body":"The he mentioned the pandemic. 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But we"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":546.54,"endTime":554.9000000000001,"body":"are using like WebEx or sometimes we were having to"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":546.54,"endTime":554.9000000000001,"body":"use like face time with student teachers that were,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":554.9000000000001,"endTime":560.72,"body":"you know, several hours away from campus. And we"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":554.9000000000001,"endTime":560.72,"body":"were trying to capture live footage of that. Or"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":560.72,"endTime":566.6600000000001,"body":"sometimes they would capture video for that of us"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":560.72,"endTime":566.6600000000001,"body":"and put it on YouTube. But then, of course, those"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":567.0200000000001,"endTime":569.1500000000001,"body":"those candidates needed to be"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":569.7800000000001,"endTime":578.12,"body":"technologically, you know, adapt to do those things."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":569.7800000000001,"endTime":578.12,"body":"And that isn't always the case in our program,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":578.36,"endTime":583.82,"body":"especially with our distance ed in our"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":578.36,"endTime":583.82,"body":"nontraditional candidates having real struggles."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":583.82,"endTime":589.82,"body":"Whereas, you know, the Go React platform is pretty"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":583.82,"endTime":589.82,"body":"simple and it does have those other features where"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":589.82,"endTime":597.7700000000001,"body":"you could actually upload if you wanted to capture,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":589.82,"endTime":597.7700000000001,"body":"you could do a live go react, and the the instructor"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":597.7700000000001,"endTime":602.7800000000001,"body":"like myself could just come into that one way portal."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":597.7700000000001,"endTime":602.7800000000001,"body":"Or of course you could just put your laptop up just"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":602.7800000000001,"endTime":609.98,"body":"like the three of us do right now and capture the go"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":602.7800000000001,"endTime":609.98,"body":"react live right through your camera into the app."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":610.2800000000001,"endTime":615.7700000000001,"body":"So it did make it a lot easier. 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Right."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":632.72,"endTime":637.5500000000001,"body":"And there are so many dates you could"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":632.72,"endTime":637.5500000000001,"body":"name. And I would not be able to tell you what I was"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":637.5500000000001,"endTime":641.9300000000001,"body":"doing that day. But March 13th, 2020, I know exactly"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":637.5500000000001,"endTime":641.9300000000001,"body":"what that day was like."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":641.96,"endTime":649.34,"body":"You know, I remember it well. And I"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":641.96,"endTime":649.34,"body":"remember that within a week my phone was ringing off"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":649.34,"endTime":654.98,"body":"the hook. 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So as you're watching, you're"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1097.87,"endTime":1102.22,"body":"just clicking right. It's a really efficient way to"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1102.22,"endTime":1105.61,"body":"give them fast, like gobs of feedback."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1105.61,"endTime":1110.86,"body":"It's almost like a preset tag, you can"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1105.61,"endTime":1110.86,"body":"you can add that has a whole description with it."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1111.01,"endTime":1116.83,"body":"Yeah time stamped. But I know that's"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1111.01,"endTime":1116.83,"body":"the obvious way to use it. The less obvious way, you"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1116.83,"endTime":1121.3,"body":"know, we teach citing your sources, right? They've"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1116.83,"endTime":1121.3,"body":"got a site, so many sources in the speech. 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But in an online"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1165.22,"endTime":1170.9499999999998,"body":"class, how do you make them pay attention? And there"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1165.22,"endTime":1170.9499999999998,"body":"is so much you can do with go react to hold their"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1170.9499999999998,"endTime":1176.26,"body":"feet to the fire on some of this stuff that in early"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1170.9499999999998,"endTime":1176.26,"body":"online classes they were just, you know, they just"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1176.26,"endTime":1181.36,"body":"want to skip past things and just do the work, so to"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1176.26,"endTime":1181.36,"body":"speak, and not do the learning. Go react kind of"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1181.36,"endTime":1183.01,"body":"forces them to do some of that learning."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1183.9399999999998,"endTime":1189.6699999999998,"body":"Yeah, yeah, I agree. The one I'm"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1183.9399999999998,"endTime":1189.6699999999998,"body":"sorry, Derek, I had to jump in on that because when"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1189.6699999999998,"endTime":1195.82,"body":"he said that when Jeff said that, I just thought of"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1189.6699999999998,"endTime":1195.82,"body":"the jump in the number of views because obviously we"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1195.9099999999999,"endTime":1205.6299999999999,"body":"can we can see the views on, on the videos and the"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1195.9099999999999,"endTime":1205.6299999999999,"body":"videos that I have of students that came before the"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1205.6299999999999,"endTime":1212.83,"body":"particular students I have now that are in canvas"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1205.6299999999999,"endTime":1212.83,"body":"the week that the assignments due. Oh my gosh, watch"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1212.83,"endTime":1219.31,"body":"the views go way up of previous candidates because"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1212.83,"endTime":1219.31,"body":"they're watching it and they're like, Oh, what am I"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1219.31,"endTime":1224.1999999999998,"body":"supposed to? But in the end they still have to do it."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1219.31,"endTime":1224.1999999999998,"body":"So to me, I always say to them, I don't care how"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1224.1999999999998,"endTime":1228.9099999999999,"body":"many times you watch the video. I don't care if you"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1224.1999999999998,"endTime":1228.9099999999999,"body":"do the same thing that's in one of their videos,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1229.36,"endTime":1234.82,"body":"because at the end of the day, you're the one that"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1229.36,"endTime":1234.82,"body":"has to carry it out as that individual on camera."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1235.51,"endTime":1239.9499999999998,"body":"Yeah, Yeah. Well, and there's also"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1235.51,"endTime":1239.9499999999998,"body":"sometimes I find that students get a little"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1239.9499999999998,"endTime":1243.6699999999998,"body":"overwhelmed when you give them something to watch or"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1239.9499999999998,"endTime":1243.6699999999998,"body":"something to read. Right. They're not quite sure."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1243.6699999999998,"endTime":1248.9499999999998,"body":"What should I be looking for? What should I be"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1243.6699999999998,"endTime":1248.9499999999998,"body":"attending to? There's a lot here, right? And so if"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1248.9499999999998,"endTime":1255.1599999999999,"body":"you give them a defined task, watch this sample. But"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1248.9499999999998,"endTime":1255.1599999999999,"body":"here's a one thing I want you to do. I want you to"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1255.1599999999999,"endTime":1259.78,"body":"find the citations and click the markers at those"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1255.1599999999999,"endTime":1259.78,"body":"moments. Right. And it's a much more focused"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1259.78,"endTime":1264.46,"body":"activity. And I think you end up with students who"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1259.78,"endTime":1264.46,"body":"are more capable of complying with that activity and"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1264.46,"endTime":1265.33,"body":"getting something out of it."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1265.99,"endTime":1266.9499999999998,"body":"The trick is grading."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1268.54,"endTime":1272.86,"body":"Yeah, I was wondering about that. I'm"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1268.54,"endTime":1272.86,"body":"not familiar with GoReact's tools, but I assume it"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1272.86,"endTime":1277.1799999999998,"body":"has ways to kind of quantify everything that the"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1272.86,"endTime":1277.1799999999998,"body":"students are doing so that you can come up with some"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1277.1799999999998,"endTime":1277.72,"body":"sort of grade."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1278.4099999999999,"endTime":1283.1499999999999,"body":"There's a like a dashboard that'll"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1278.4099999999999,"endTime":1283.1499999999999,"body":"give you a I'd like the dashboard to be a little"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1283.1499999999999,"endTime":1289.0,"body":"more complex, but you could see how many they"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1283.1499999999999,"endTime":1289.0,"body":"clicked. And then I usually just pick three or four"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1289.0,"endTime":1293.8899999999999,"body":"that I'm particularly looking for, and I could scan"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1289.0,"endTime":1293.8899999999999,"body":"my eyes down the video and make sure they hit the"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1293.8899999999999,"endTime":1294.49,"body":"big ones."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1296.59,"endTime":1301.36,"body":"Yeah. And of course, for my classes I"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1296.59,"endTime":1301.36,"body":"create the markers. And so I expect you heard me say"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1301.36,"endTime":1306.1899999999998,"body":"those six markers that I gave for that one"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1301.36,"endTime":1306.1899999999998,"body":"particular assignment. They've got to use all six of"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1306.1899999999998,"endTime":1311.8899999999999,"body":"those, right? They have to use all six. They don't"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1306.1899999999998,"endTime":1311.8899999999999,"body":"have to use them multiple times, but they are going"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1311.8899999999999,"endTime":1317.9199999999998,"body":"to refer to those markers when they do them. And"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1311.8899999999999,"endTime":1317.9199999999998,"body":"then, of course, the you know, really the teacher"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1317.9199999999998,"endTime":1325.0,"body":"voice or economy of language are more summative at"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1317.9199999999998,"endTime":1325.0,"body":"the end of their rehearsal video. But for instance,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1325.0,"endTime":1330.31,"body":"I have you can also build rubrics into this as well."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1325.0,"endTime":1330.31,"body":"Derek So it's not just markers, but there's a rubric"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1330.31,"endTime":1331.24,"body":"that you can put in there."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1331.48,"endTime":1335.9499999999998,"body":"Just one practical note I think you"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1331.48,"endTime":1335.9499999999998,"body":"both refer to this, but there in terms of capturing"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1335.9499999999998,"endTime":1343.03,"body":"the video footage, especially if I'm not at my"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1335.9499999999998,"endTime":1343.03,"body":"laptop, right. Is it just a matter of kind of"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1343.06,"endTime":1346.6,"body":"propping your phone up somewhere useful and turning"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1343.06,"endTime":1346.6,"body":"on the app?"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1347.8899999999999,"endTime":1352.87,"body":"Yeah, you could. It has multiple ways"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1347.8899999999999,"endTime":1352.87,"body":"of getting the video. You can record, you can a live"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1352.87,"endTime":1358.48,"body":"recording and there's some utility in that for"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1352.87,"endTime":1358.48,"body":"public speaking, but you can upload, you could put"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1358.48,"endTime":1364.57,"body":"it on YouTube and then YouTube because the setting"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1358.48,"endTime":1364.57,"body":"where it grabs it, you can do a zoom. But most of my"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1364.57,"endTime":1369.8799999999999,"body":"students just recorded on their phone and then they"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1364.57,"endTime":1369.8799999999999,"body":"open the website on their phone and upload it and."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1369.8799999999999,"endTime":1375.6999999999998,"body":"Well, you can use a Swivl robot. I"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1369.8799999999999,"endTime":1375.6999999999998,"body":"have I have my own Swivl and I loan it out to"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1375.6999999999998,"endTime":1376.1,"body":"students."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1376.6899999999998,"endTime":1378.36,"body":"I had forgotten about Swivls."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1379.0,"endTime":1385.8999999999999,"body":"Well, I love I love the wireless mic,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1379.0,"endTime":1385.8999999999999,"body":"so I'll I'll give it to them and you can as long as"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1385.8999999999999,"endTime":1392.53,"body":"it's recording too, to Jeff's point to a phone or"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1385.8999999999999,"endTime":1392.53,"body":"iPad or something like that, that you can then"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1392.9499999999998,"endTime":1399.34,"body":"upload it to the app, which works through whatever"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1392.9499999999998,"endTime":1399.34,"body":"LMS you use the learning management system and."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1399.34,"endTime":1405.76,"body":"Just using their swivel. My"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1399.34,"endTime":1405.76,"body":"understanding is there's a wireless mic and I can"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1405.76,"endTime":1411.46,"body":"it's like a tripod looking thing, but it'll actually"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1405.76,"endTime":1411.46,"body":"kind of turn the phone around and track the speaker."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1411.46,"endTime":1412.0,"body":"Is that right?"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1412.0,"endTime":1415.87,"body":"Right. Because it's following the mic,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1412.0,"endTime":1415.87,"body":"right? So it's following the mic. The mic is"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1415.87,"endTime":1421.6299999999999,"body":"connected to the swivel and therefore it will track"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1415.87,"endTime":1421.6299999999999,"body":"you wherever you go within reason, right? You don't"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1421.6299999999999,"endTime":1426.4299999999998,"body":"want to, you know, go behind it because it can't,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1421.6299999999999,"endTime":1426.4299999999998,"body":"you know, it'll get all turned around or whatever."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1426.4299999999998,"endTime":1432.49,"body":"You don't want to move too fast for the swivel, but"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1426.4299999999998,"endTime":1432.49,"body":"it captures normal movement around the classroom."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1432.49,"endTime":1437.8,"body":"But like I said, the beauty of it is picking up the"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1432.49,"endTime":1437.8,"body":"the sound, right? That that's probably I don't know"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1437.8,"endTime":1442.48,"body":"about you, Jeff, but that's usually my biggest thing"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1437.8,"endTime":1442.48,"body":"with students is making sure they test whatever"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1442.48,"endTime":1451.12,"body":"they're using because I really see, especially as a"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1442.48,"endTime":1451.12,"body":"EDTPA scorer, I want to hear more than I want to see,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1451.33,"endTime":1455.74,"body":"right? I'm never going to judge somebody on the"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1451.33,"endTime":1455.74,"body":"quality of their video because I don't know what"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1455.74,"endTime":1461.59,"body":"their using. You know, I don't know what device they"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1455.74,"endTime":1461.59,"body":"have access to. But I will judge sound right if I"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1461.59,"endTime":1463.3899999999999,"body":"can't hear it, how can I score it?"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1463.6599999999999,"endTime":1467.98,"body":"Yeah, I usually do a couple of low"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1463.6599999999999,"endTime":1467.98,"body":"stakes assignments where they if they screw that up,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1467.98,"endTime":1472.09,"body":"it doesn't matter. And then by time they get to the"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1467.98,"endTime":1472.09,"body":"big ones, they've they've experimented with the"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1472.09,"endTime":1472.78,"body":"technology."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1473.6499999999999,"endTime":1478.72,"body":"I want to circle back to something you"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1473.6499999999999,"endTime":1478.72,"body":"said earlier. How if if a student were to do a"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1478.72,"endTime":1484.1799999999998,"body":"speech and then you were to sit down with them for 5"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1478.72,"endTime":1484.1799999999998,"body":"minutes and give them some verbal feedback, they"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1484.1799999999998,"endTime":1489.01,"body":"might not actually retain all that feedback. It's"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1484.1799999999998,"endTime":1489.01,"body":"what I heard. Yeah. Whereas do you feel like"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1489.01,"endTime":1496.03,"body":"something happens a little differently when you're"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1489.01,"endTime":1496.03,"body":"giving that that your written feedback, anchored in"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1496.03,"endTime":1500.29,"body":"the time codes of the speech? Do the students kind"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1496.03,"endTime":1500.29,"body":"of receive that kind of feedback differently?"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1501.22,"endTime":1507.31,"body":"I think so. I think more than that,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1501.22,"endTime":1507.31,"body":"it's the combination of the types of feedback. So on"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1507.31,"endTime":1512.1799999999998,"body":"a seven minute speech, they're getting a very"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1507.31,"endTime":1512.1799999999998,"body":"detailed rubric. Speaking of rubrics, Tom, mine's"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1512.1799999999998,"endTime":1518.05,"body":"mine's a killer, it's got everything on there."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1512.1799999999998,"endTime":1518.05,"body":"They're getting markers, they'r getting written, cut"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1518.05,"endTime":1523.87,"body":"feedback, timestamped, and then they're getting that"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1518.05,"endTime":1523.87,"body":"video of me afterwards. And depending on the type of"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1523.87,"endTime":1528.9099999999999,"body":"learner the student is, I think some respond better"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1523.87,"endTime":1528.9099999999999,"body":"to the video, some respond better than written, some"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1528.9099999999999,"endTime":1532.62,"body":"are you know, they're just taking the class to get"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1528.9099999999999,"endTime":1532.62,"body":"it over with. They maybe look at the markers. It"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1532.6299999999999,"endTime":1536.56,"body":"gives you a little chart, too, of where all your"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1532.6299999999999,"endTime":1536.56,"body":"feedback was. And don't forget, you're also getting"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1536.56,"endTime":1544.3899999999999,"body":"feedback from the members of your team and yourself."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1536.56,"endTime":1544.3899999999999,"body":"So just that's, I don't know, another way to give"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1544.3899999999999,"endTime":1549.25,"body":"them feedback then and all of that. So something"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1544.3899999999999,"endTime":1549.25,"body":"will land with everyone. I think."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1550.81,"endTime":1556.6599999999999,"body":"Jeff I'm curious because you mentioned"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1550.81,"endTime":1556.6599999999999,"body":"having the the listeners right, the students peers"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1556.8999999999999,"endTime":1558.22,"body":"provide feedback as well."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1560.4399999999998,"endTime":1566.6499999999999,"body":"What do you do to try to encourage students to give"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1560.4399999999998,"endTime":1566.6499999999999,"body":"useful feedback on their peers speeches? I feel like"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1567.1299999999999,"endTime":1568.8999999999999,"body":"that that doesn't happen by default."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1569.9499999999998,"endTime":1575.4399999999998,"body":"Yeah, I guess the simple answer is"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1569.9499999999998,"endTime":1575.4399999999998,"body":"model it after after a couple of assignments,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1575.4399999999998,"endTime":1580.3899999999999,"body":"they're seeing the kinds of things I'm writing and"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1575.4399999999998,"endTime":1580.3899999999999,"body":"they eventually start writing the same types of"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1580.3899999999999,"endTime":1587.3799999999999,"body":"things. You remember this is freshman level, basic"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1580.3899999999999,"endTime":1587.3799999999999,"body":"public speaking class. I do talk to them in my"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1587.3799999999999,"endTime":1594.22,"body":"instructional videos about going a little bit beyond"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1587.3799999999999,"endTime":1594.22,"body":"Good job, right? Most of my directions will say that"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1594.22,"endTime":1600.82,"body":"your comments need to be ten words long that usually"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1594.22,"endTime":1600.82,"body":"do it and by go react is it'll tell you the average"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1600.82,"endTime":1608.1399999999999,"body":"length of their comments that they made in in the"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1600.82,"endTime":1608.1399999999999,"body":"dashboard. So okay, that works there. And I also do"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1608.4399999999998,"endTime":1612.73,"body":"I put them into teams of seven or eight students."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1608.4399999999998,"endTime":1612.73,"body":"You get your team and that's you're it's a"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1612.73,"endTime":1616.87,"body":"longitudinal team. So it goes from the beginning of"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1612.73,"endTime":1616.87,"body":"the class to the end. So they're getting to know"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1616.87,"endTime":1620.62,"body":"each other by the end, they're getting more"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1616.87,"endTime":1620.62,"body":"comfortable with each other. And I make it a"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1620.62,"endTime":1626.71,"body":"competition of sorts. So they're they're, they're"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1620.62,"endTime":1626.71,"body":"average. The team's average is compared to the other"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1626.71,"endTime":1631.87,"body":"teams averages. And I give extra credit points. So"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1626.71,"endTime":1631.87,"body":"they're actually starting to coach each other. And,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1632.11,"endTime":1637.59,"body":"you know, sometimes I feel like I'm not doing"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1632.11,"endTime":1637.59,"body":"anything. It's just a set it, forget it and let it"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1637.61,"endTime":1644.98,"body":"let them come to each other with this stuff. So I"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1637.61,"endTime":1644.98,"body":"really like the peer stuff is great and I allow them"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1644.98,"endTime":1650.53,"body":"to do the videos and stuff and at first they won't"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1644.98,"endTime":1650.53,"body":"do it, but then they'll start seeing mine. And I"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1650.53,"endTime":1655.27,"body":"tell them, You can either make ten comments of ten"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1650.53,"endTime":1655.27,"body":"words each or you can make a video at the end. By"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1655.27,"endTime":1657.4299999999998,"body":"the last couple of assignments, they're doing videos."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1657.85,"endTime":1663.61,"body":"Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and you say"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1657.85,"endTime":1663.61,"body":"you're not doing anything, but, you know, I feel"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1663.61,"endTime":1669.8799999999999,"body":"like if if the students are doing some good"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1663.61,"endTime":1669.8799999999999,"body":"self-assessment, if they're getting good feedback"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1669.8799999999999,"endTime":1673.84,"body":"from their peers. Right. A lot of the learning is"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1669.8799999999999,"endTime":1673.84,"body":"happening there. And then you kind of come in with"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1673.84,"endTime":1681.07,"body":"the hard stuff, right? The stuff that the peers"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1673.84,"endTime":1681.07,"body":"can't help with. I'm curious if you think about kind"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1681.07,"endTime":1687.4299999999998,"body":"of how you use your time as an instructor. Would you"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1681.07,"endTime":1687.4299999999998,"body":"consider these strategies time saving or do they"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1687.4299999999998,"endTime":1691.6599999999999,"body":"take more time or is it is it kind of neutral? Are"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1687.4299999999998,"endTime":1691.6599999999999,"body":"you just are you spending your time differently?"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1693.1899999999998,"endTime":1699.46,"body":"I am giving the most comprehensive"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1693.1899999999998,"endTime":1699.46,"body":"feedback of my career. It is. It is when we were"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1699.46,"endTime":1706.33,"body":"doing this with pen and paper in the back of the"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1699.46,"endTime":1706.33,"body":"classroom, you got from me what I could write on"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1706.33,"endTime":1711.79,"body":"that piece of paper. And then then the students were"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1706.33,"endTime":1711.79,"body":"writing and I'd go to my office and I'm on the floor"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1711.79,"endTime":1717.8799999999999,"body":"sorting them out and stapling them and handing them"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1711.79,"endTime":1717.8799999999999,"body":"back. This is this is made things not just more"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1717.8799999999999,"endTime":1724.78,"body":"efficient, but but much more comprehensive. I'm"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1717.8799999999999,"endTime":1724.78,"body":"telling them things that my hand cramps wouldn't"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1724.78,"endTime":1730.3899999999999,"body":"allow me to tell them in the past. Now you know"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1724.78,"endTime":1730.3899999999999,"body":"you're getting it. I think it's just a shift in time"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1730.3899999999999,"endTime":1731.08,"body":"overall, I think."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1732.79,"endTime":1740.11,"body":"Yeah, I haven't used go react, but I"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1732.79,"endTime":1740.11,"body":"have used perusal which is an annotation tool and"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1740.11,"endTime":1747.07,"body":"you can have students and yourself annotate text or"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1740.11,"endTime":1747.07,"body":"or video or audio. And I had the same kind of"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1747.07,"endTime":1753.1299999999999,"body":"experience where every time I went back to it, I"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1747.07,"endTime":1753.1299999999999,"body":"would find something a new way to use it, right? A"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1753.1299999999999,"endTime":1758.59,"body":"different, a different small change in my approach"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1753.1299999999999,"endTime":1758.59,"body":"that because it's it's kind of it's this kind of"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1758.59,"endTime":1762.85,"body":"complex landscape of interaction and kind of"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1758.59,"endTime":1762.85,"body":"figuring out what are your tools, what are your"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1762.85,"endTime":1766.8999999999999,"body":"options, what's going to be most effective as a"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1762.85,"endTime":1766.8999999999999,"body":"students? I think a little trial and error is"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1766.8999999999999,"endTime":1773.26,"body":"entirely appropriate. Jeff, you had mentioned using"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1766.8999999999999,"endTime":1773.26,"body":"GoReact in some of your other courses as well. Do"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1773.26,"endTime":1776.3799999999999,"body":"those what are those assignments or active"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":1773.26,"endTime":1776.3799999999999,"body":"activities?"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1776.6799999999998,"endTime":1779.35,"body":"You mentioned earlier this authentic"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1780.9099999999999,"endTime":1786.22,"body":"nature of things. And in the light of AI and"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1780.9099999999999,"endTime":1786.22,"body":"everything which we're seeing a lot of all of a"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1786.22,"endTime":1792.58,"body":"sudden student writing has gotten really good. You"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1786.22,"endTime":1792.58,"body":"know, I'm still I'm jury's still out with me. I"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1792.58,"endTime":1794.9199999999998,"body":"don't know what to do about it. I usually just kind"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1792.58,"endTime":1794.9199999999998,"body":"of"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1796.81,"endTime":1803.23,"body":"I'll always be overly confident or overly compliment"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1796.81,"endTime":1803.23,"body":"them hoping that they see that I know what they're"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1803.23,"endTime":1810.58,"body":"doing. But to to combat that, I've been doing"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1803.23,"endTime":1810.58,"body":"something. My my colleague Margaret Bilos invented"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1810.58,"endTime":1816.79,"body":"something called a go reaction, she calls them. Okay."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1810.58,"endTime":1816.79,"body":"So where you might give them a prompt and have them"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1816.79,"endTime":1821.35,"body":"write an essay, which now they take that prompt and"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1816.79,"endTime":1821.35,"body":"they put it somewhere else and that gives them the"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1821.35,"endTime":1827.4099999999999,"body":"essay. They have to just kind of jot down some notes."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1821.35,"endTime":1827.4099999999999,"body":"No reading, jot down some notes, and then they turn"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1827.4099999999999,"endTime":1832.57,"body":"their camera on and they do an oral essay where"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1827.4099999999999,"endTime":1832.57,"body":"they're, you know, just kind of going through it. 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It does take more"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1870.73,"endTime":1876.79,"body":"time to to watch a student's three or four minute"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1870.73,"endTime":1876.79,"body":"video than it does to read their paragraph essays."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1876.79,"endTime":1883.3899999999999,"body":"So the little bit of a trade off. But I can I can"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1876.79,"endTime":1883.3899999999999,"body":"sit here for 20 minutes and give you all kinds of"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1883.3899999999999,"endTime":1887.8,"body":"assignments we've done. I mean, that's such a"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1883.3899999999999,"endTime":1887.8,"body":"creative tool and it's you just start thinking"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1887.8,"endTime":1891.1599999999999,"body":"outside of the box and you'll come up with all kinds"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":1887.8,"endTime":1891.1599999999999,"body":"of stuff."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1893.32,"endTime":1902.6799999999998,"body":"I think. I mean, it's been more time"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1893.32,"endTime":1902.6799999999998,"body":"consuming for them, but I've increased the weight of"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1902.6799999999998,"endTime":1908.1399999999999,"body":"those assignments because they will. And I always"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1902.6799999999998,"endTime":1908.1399999999999,"body":"say this to them. So I may I do sort of like a go"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1908.1399999999999,"endTime":1914.62,"body":"reaction type of assignment that Jeff referred to"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1908.1399999999999,"endTime":1914.62,"body":"where I make a video that they have to watch. And in"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1914.62,"endTime":1920.98,"body":"the video I'm describing what I want them to get out"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1914.62,"endTime":1920.98,"body":"of, Get Better Faster, a book that we use. And they"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1920.98,"endTime":1928.48,"body":"have to watch the video. And then from the chapter,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1920.98,"endTime":1928.48,"body":"they have to tell me some strategies that resonated"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1928.48,"endTime":1934.09,"body":"with them and why. And they have to do it in 90"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1928.48,"endTime":1934.09,"body":"seconds or less. Because, again, I'm I they don't"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1934.09,"endTime":1940.1799999999998,"body":"know this, but I'm teaching them economy of language."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1934.09,"endTime":1940.1799999999998,"body":"And so they have to do these videos. And I will say"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1940.1799999999998,"endTime":1948.07,"body":"to them the first night of class that they come back"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1940.1799999999998,"endTime":1948.07,"body":"and I've given everybody feedback and I'll say, how"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1948.07,"endTime":1955.33,"body":"many people did it in one take and not a single hand"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":1948.07,"endTime":1955.33,"body":"goes up. 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Now it"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2023.31,"endTime":2030.6899999999998,"body":"becomes their routine because I'm expecting them to"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2023.31,"endTime":2030.6899999999998,"body":"perform not in front of a camera anymore anymore,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2030.87,"endTime":2036.4499999999998,"body":"but in front of that live studio audience, as it"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2030.87,"endTime":2036.4499999999998,"body":"were. Their their students, you know."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":2036.4499999999998,"endTime":2039.6299999999999,"body":"And the more we do with video, it's"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":2036.4499999999998,"endTime":2039.6299999999999,"body":"it's meeting them where they are."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2040.98,"endTime":2042.6999999999998,"body":"It's their lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":2042.84,"endTime":2047.6399999999999,"body":"It kills my heart that people don't"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":2042.84,"endTime":2047.6399999999999,"body":"want to write anymore, but at least they're thinking,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":2047.6399999999999,"endTime":2051.75,"body":"you know, we're getting them there. They love video"},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":2047.6399999999999,"endTime":2051.75,"body":"in 90 seconds. They love the short video."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2052.11,"endTime":2057.87,"body":"Yeah. And to that point about the AI,"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2052.11,"endTime":2057.87,"body":"I don't care, Derek. I don't care where they if they"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2057.87,"endTime":2064.53,"body":"get lesson plans that are completely AI, I don't"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2057.87,"endTime":2064.53,"body":"care because one of those activities one of those"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2064.53,"endTime":2073.23,"body":"pedagogical activities they personally have to"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2064.53,"endTime":2073.23,"body":"perform it for me on video. Nobody's doing that for"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2073.23,"endTime":2078.81,"body":"them. So they may have gotten the lesson plans from"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2073.23,"endTime":2078.81,"body":"somewhere, but they better understand and the"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2078.81,"endTime":2085.59,"body":"content of the lesson, the purpose of the lesson."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2078.81,"endTime":2085.59,"body":"Right. What is the assessment that they're giving?"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2085.86,"endTime":2090.9,"body":"Because they're going to have to perform it on"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2085.86,"endTime":2090.9,"body":"camera for me and you can't fake that."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2091.77,"endTime":2096.2999999999997,"body":"Well. And I think also, you know,"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2091.77,"endTime":2096.2999999999997,"body":"there's authentic can mean lots of different things."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2096.2999999999997,"endTime":2102.12,"body":"But I do feel like what I'm also hearing from you is"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2096.2999999999997,"endTime":2102.12,"body":"it's the process that the students are going through,"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2102.2999999999997,"endTime":2105.5699999999997,"body":"whether it's creating something, performing"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2102.2999999999997,"endTime":2105.5699999999997,"body":"something, producing something, giving feedback,"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2105.5699999999997,"endTime":2108.09,"body":"receiving feedback. Right. It's not"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2110.85,"endTime":2117.45,"body":"it's not sterile. It's it's it's lively. It's"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2110.85,"endTime":2117.45,"body":"engaged, right? It's with the people in your course"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2117.45,"endTime":2122.34,"body":"community. I think there's a form of authenticity"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2117.45,"endTime":2122.34,"body":"there with the students. It takes it away from busy"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2122.34,"endTime":2128.4,"body":"work. And once you know you're doing it with people"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2122.34,"endTime":2128.4,"body":"that you know matter to some degree, then it's less"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2128.4,"endTime":2132.15,"body":"busy work and more authentic. Thank you both. It's"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2128.4,"endTime":2132.15,"body":"been delightful. I appreciate having you on the"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2132.15,"endTime":2138.45,"body":"podcast and getting to explore this tool and this"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2132.15,"endTime":2138.45,"body":"space a little bit. I know some of our listeners are"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2138.45,"endTime":2142.2999999999997,"body":"in more performance oriented films, but I know some"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2138.45,"endTime":2142.2999999999997,"body":"are not, and I hope they got some good ideas from"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2142.2999999999997,"endTime":2145.62,"body":"this team. So thanks for sharing. Appreciate it. And"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2142.2999999999997,"endTime":2145.62,"body":"you're very, very welcome."},{"speaker":"Jeff Przybylo","startTime":2145.62,"endTime":2146.13,"body":"It's been fun."},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2146.91,"endTime":2148.98,"body":"Yeah, it's great to be here. Thanks"},{"speaker":"Thomas Fisher","startTime":2146.91,"endTime":2148.98,"body":"for having me."},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2152.1,"endTime":2156.24,"body":"That was Jeff Przybylo, chair of"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2152.1,"endTime":2156.24,"body":"communication arts and head coach of the speech and"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2156.24,"endTime":2162.24,"body":"debate team at Harper College and Thomas Fisher,"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2156.24,"endTime":2162.24,"body":"clinical associate professor of education and"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2162.24,"endTime":2167.34,"body":"university supervisor for student teachers at the"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2162.24,"endTime":2167.34,"body":"University of North Carolina at Charlotte. Thanks to"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2167.34,"endTime":2171.81,"body":"both of them for coming on the show and sharing"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2167.34,"endTime":2171.81,"body":"their experiences with Go React. Hope you got some"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2171.81,"endTime":2176.58,"body":"ideas for using go react, or similar tools in your"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2171.81,"endTime":2176.58,"body":"teaching. I know this episode sounded a bit like an"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2176.58,"endTime":2181.77,"body":"advertisement for GoReact, but (A), they didn't"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2176.58,"endTime":2181.77,"body":"sponsor this episode or any other of the podcast and"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2181.77,"endTime":2187.65,"body":"B, I'd love to hear about other tools out there for"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2181.77,"endTime":2187.65,"body":"video feedback. 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If"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2220.14,"endTime":2225.12,"body":"you found this or any episode of intentional"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2225.12,"endTime":2229.68,"body":"teaching useful, would you consider sharing it with"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2225.12,"endTime":2229.68,"body":"a colleague? That would mean a lot. As always,"},{"speaker":"Derek Bruff","startTime":2229.68,"endTime":2230.4,"body":"thanks for listening."}]}