Rising From The Ashes; Love, Knives, And Courage

What if the loudest part of your healing is the quiet choice to keep going? We start with playful chaos—forgotten rolls, pajama days, and TV heroes—then step straight into the fire: how survivors bank strength in secret, how evidence dismantles gaslighting, and how family love can turn scars into story. Along the way, we celebrate the unexpected: a message from a Chicago PD favorite, a new book rolling out, and the steady belief that protection and loyalty aren’t just TV tropes—they’re skills we can learn and live.

We dig into the craft of telling hard truths. Chapters written at midnight become anchors when critics hide behind masks. Receipts matter, so we talk about photos, texts, and emails that hold the line against revisionist spin. We also make space for the body’s narrative: a stairway-of-keys tattoo honoring grandparents who taught grit and grace, and a daughter’s phoenix with wounded wings that still rise. These aren’t decorations; they’re declarations. And the candid talk continues into body dysphoria, triggers that fade with patience, and why self-protection is both mindset and method.

There’s a sobering detour through a serial killer exhibit—forty rooms of artifacts and evidence—reminding us what violence looks like when charm fades. Then we come home to old-school love: saved letters, opened doors, and the kind of everyday devotion that screens can’t replace. We end with a challenge that’s equal parts bold and careful: an open invitation for an abuser to speak on record, calmly, without theatrics. Not to platform harm, but to confront it with boundaries and truth. If you’ve ever tucked an earbud behind your hair just to feel less alone, this conversation is for you.

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Transcript

Banter, Dinner Mishap, And TV Obsessions

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Brings in.

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Howdy, y'all. Welcome back to another episode of a Catajia Smiles Unstoppable with the lovely sexy Victoria over yonder. Yonder. Her redheaded self. And Michael.

SPEAKER_05 0:14

The red Nick.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

So y'all forgive me. I might be a little sleepy here.

SPEAKER_05 0:16

I just When are you not? You're always sleepy.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

We just ate dinner. And man, let me tell you, I cook some good middle. He defrosted a frozen dinner.

SPEAKER_05 0:27

And the one thing I've been wanting so bad. I was like, oh, I want my Texas Roadhouse rolls that they sell at the grocery store. And I'm like, oh, I'm so excited. I'm up here writing another book. Go figure. And I go down there and I'm all excited. And I'm like, baby, where's the rolls? And he's like, oh shit. I knew I forgot something. So, yes. Yes. Fresh off of dinner. Okay, ladies, I know. And I know you have too. Really?

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Really? You're gonna start out with this.

Celebrity Shoutouts And Book Promotion

SPEAKER_05 1:00

Yes. Okay. Back in the day, we've all had those eye candy crushes. Back in the day. We've had eye candy crushes, right? Okay. Well, when Faith was younger, I would stay up at night to make sure, you know, her stats were great and whatever. And I would just have the TV on to make sure I would stay awake. And I would watch shows like The Blacklist, who we all know is one of my all-time favorite shows ever created, which we all know Raymond Reddington is like the primo disposition, demeanor, perfect person when it comes to protecting those he cares for. Chicago PD, I worship and loved. I still watch it. And then other shows like Rosolia and Isles and all these other shows, Love, Law and Order, SBU. And now it's kind of like coming to a reality because we have a Rom or real name Amir, who is gonna come on the show, who has been giving us videos at Love for a couple of years now. We've been friends with him. And then, oh my god, today I get in contact and have a discussion with ha ha Antonio Dawson from Chicago PD. And he sends me a video about the book Shielded that's about to come out, and for me to like have him help promote it. And God bless it, because he said the shield and it's shielded, but hey, you know, I'll take it all day long. So I go in there to Faith, her room, and I'm like, hey, do you remember back in the day before you entered into the community? Who you used to think was like all that in a bag of chips, and you used to say I'd sop him up with a biscuit without hesitation. Oh, Antonio Dawson, Chicago PD, right? She was like, Oh, so I turned the phone around and I'm like, check it out. She was like, Oh my god. So, yes, very excited. He he wants to come on the podcast. He was checking me out, us out, sorry, babe, us out, the academy.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Yeah, let's let's clarify that.

SPEAKER_05 3:13

The academy, all that we do. He talked about how that's a lot, right? But he was talking about how close to his heart that this is, and I mean, yeah, so that was that little tidbit of happiness that yeah, for him to go on the website and check out the academy. That that's that's he didn't just go to that website, he went to like we have a plethora of websites. We have victoriacurie.com, we have the academy, we have the a contagious smile.com, we have like the everywhere. It's like Visa, everywhere you want to be or not be. But anyway, so yeah, want to thank John. Thank you so much for the video. It made my day. Not my husband's, but you know, he'll be all right. So he forgot my role, so karma's a bitch.

unknown 3:58

Ha!

SPEAKER_00 4:00

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 4:02

Let's talk about your day and what you've done today.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Let's not take off all of 10 seconds.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

I know.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

My husband is still in the same attire that he went to bed in last night.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

It's a PJ day, y'all. It's rained all day. It's gloomy out there, and it's a Sunday, and I little did I remember it was Sunday. I was gonna go check the mail, and it's it's just one of the days you just say your PJs, you know.

SPEAKER_05 4:31

I've been up and dressed working, his PJs. He but he l but he goes out and does things, and that man works. He works.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

I could write anything he writes.

SPEAKER_05 4:43

His songs are freaking hysterical. Like you can't help but laugh, but they're not children appropriate.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

You're the one where he incorporates faith, yeah.

Secret Listening And Messages To Survivors

SPEAKER_05 4:51

Where saying take your bottom lip over your head and swallow. I think that's so appropriate for so many people. So I actually got a text last night while I was working on another book that said, Oh my god, I just got a notice that you have a new podcast episode out. And I said, Oh, hey, how are you? I'm so glad to hear from you. Hope you're doing well. And I said, This is probably not for the tenderest of ears. And I was thanked in advance for that. Like we said in the beginning of the show, you know, you need to like realize that this isn't like the cupids and teddy bears and rainbows episode. And I love how people just, you know, thank you. Thank you for who you are, what you do for us, you know. That I have so many women that say my abuser is sitting on the couch playing his video game, he's watching a movie, he has to have me right in front of him. So I put in my my ear pod, my hair's covering it on one side, and I and I listen to your podcast. I listen to it for Wow, that's amazing. For you know, energy. I listen to it for you know, the strength to remind me that just because it's my today, it's not my forever. And that's huge. I mean, that really is huge because talking as someone who went through it, sitting there, you think your today is your forever. Right. And when you hear us talking, we remind you that your today is not your forever. So that is so impactful to know that you know, if we help one person, then it's absolutely a thousand percent worth it.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Yeah. I don't know how much help I am.

SPEAKER_05 6:25

Well, everybody loves our chemistry between us, everybody loves our character, you know, ways that we are, how funny we are. People have told me how they love how it gives them hope that because I went through this horrific, and every domestic violence is horrific. It's never a competition, ever. But I've had so many people say that they now believe that they can have unconditional forever love because they know I've been through it, they know you went through it with your previous, and we have each other now, and it gives people hope that they see the love we share for each other and the annoyances, and you know, you're like yawning right now because you've been up for four minutes and the comical side between us, and it gives people hope that they can have that, and you know, that's important because I'm telling you, I didn't think I had a chance at nothing. And so one of the I'm doing, I know I'm gonna hear it. I'm doing five book collaborations, and I had to nine magazines, and I had to complete my chapter for one, and I wrote it last night, and I brought it down, and I sat down with Faith and I said, Can I read this to you? And it's called Out of the Ashes, You Took My Hand. And she kind of just looked at me, and it's not a big, you know, chapter, but it's going in a collaboration with some incredibly powerful women that I am so honored to be a part of. And I read it to her. How I'm not gonna give the whole thing away. I it just starts out that if you want to know how I became who I am, you have to go to the wreckage first, and you have to see where we came from. And who I am today is because sh she made me this way, and it the whole piece is dedicated to faith and how she has given me the greatest honor of my life in being her mom. And this little thing who does not show emotion like my husband, my husband has pollen in his eyes all the time, had tears in her eyes when I read this to her last night, and it was so meaningful, it was such a moment that she was just like, Mom, if there was a million moms out there, I'd still always pick you. You are the greatest love in my life, mom. And I was like, How many young adults would say that to a parent these days? Not many. And it was such a moment. She said, Can I keep this? And I said, Well, yeah, I was gonna give it to you when it was published. And she's like, I want that too. But this is the raw edit did, you know, real original. So I gave that to her last night and she just loved it.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

It was I read it today, and it was beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 9:11

Thank you. You actually read a chapter of something I've written, and yay me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd clap for you, but I'm a hand short.

Writing For Healing And A Daughter’s Tribute

SPEAKER_00 9:18

It really reminded me of of uh and and I'm telling my aides and going back, and I don't know if you're gonna be similarity. Rocky. What? Yes, Adrian! How exactly. He had to go back old school with Apollo Creed and get back that Eye of the Tiger. He had to go back and train old school.

SPEAKER_04 9:42

Isn't that like Rocky III or four or five or eight, I don't know, like Rocky 84, I don't know. There's a lot of Rockies.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

But to understand how he came out on top, he had to go back. And you had to go back to how you became this, I don't know, this pillar, so to speak. I know you I know you're not gonna put yourself in the limelight, you're not gonna pick yourself up, you're not gonna put yourself first. You always point the finger at other people and praise them and lift them up. We know how you are, Victoria. Okay, but whenever somebody types in your name, you are everywhere. And it's because you put others first. Crickets.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

So you got a big fat heart, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

And a big fat ass, so it all works.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

No, your ass is perfect.

SPEAKER_04 10:37

No, it's I have it on my own zip code by there.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 10:40

I do.

SPEAKER_05 10:43

I do. Speaking of you have your ass having your own zip code.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

I mean how can you say this and put out a book about body dysphoria?

SPEAKER_05 10:51

Because I I actually know for a scientific fact that I have body dysphoria. Like I know this and I'm working on it. I am working on it. But when I start to try to work on myself and somebody comes up and needs me, I automatically stop to help them and I just stop my own healing. Like, I look at where I was compared to where I am, and I am leaps and bounds from where I used to be. Like huge, huge difference. For instance, you're the only one who could touch my neck, but all my other triggers, I would say, are are pretty gone. They're pretty much gone. There's only maybe a couple, and knives. Knives don't bother me right at all. And I had so much spec, you know, like I had so many people give me such crap about it. Like, why are you carrying knives? I carry the one of the knives that stabbed me. It wasn't the knife's fault. It's like people say, you know, guns kill people. It's not guns that kill people, people kill people. Like that gun can't self-fire. You have to pull the trigger. Yeah, I mean, some guns don't have safeties. The safety is your your finger, right? So knives don't kill people, people kill people. And people think that's ludicrous, but how can a gun self-fire? They don't. I mean, it just doesn't happen that way. So knives do not I've always, I mean, in the martial arts and stuff that I've done, I I did throwing stars and throwing knives and stuff like that. So I've always I've always been a knife collector to say the least. I mean, I would say we probably have over 400 knives, but the what are you shaking your head for?

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Still going up.

SPEAKER_05 12:27

Yeah. Because I mean, I don't want, like, I'm like, I don't want diamonds, I'm not a jewelry person, I want a knife, you know. That's that's how you get to this heart over here. But I mean, it's just, and you have to be able to protect yourself. You have to be able to protect the ones that you love.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

So speaking of the ones you love, my wife had a recent addition to her body canvas in honor of those that she loves.

SPEAKER_05 12:56

Thank you, Jeff. Okay, talk about it.

Body Dysphoria, Triggers, And Self-Protection

SPEAKER_00 13:00

She has the most amazing grandparents that I've ever heard from anyone. Okay. Mine were okay, but hers were talked about like I talk about my wife. I just put her up there on a pedestal. Right? And I tell her I tell everyone about my wife and my daughter. That's how my wife is with her gr with her grandparents. So to honor them, especially her grandmother, who taught her how to play the piano.

SPEAKER_05 13:31

Which I no longer remember, or can't really do now one-handed, but yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

She has a tattoo of piano keys, which is in reference to stairway to heaven, and in the form of stair uh stairs going into the pearly gates, and it is simply beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 13:50

Well, I didn't realize it at the time, and I want to thank Jeff, my artist, because he is phenomenal. When we did it and where we did it. First, he wanted to do my entire leg. And I was like, no, but we did do most of it, and it is on the leg that has the wording that goes from like the base of my foot, not the base, but like where your ankle is up a little bit. And it has three of my favorite lines from When Beneath My Wings on it, and then it has the wings. I have wings on my foot, on the top of my foot. And the thing is, growing up, the Bette Midler song When Beneath My Wings was like my grandparents in my song, and they would always teach me, you know, to fly, to reach for the stars, and that's where you're gonna go to. And I always would hold my hand up like I'm grabbing the stars. And so there are doves around the back of my ankle and the side of my leg. And somehow Jeff got this perfectly where the doves are incorporated from when beneath my wing into the the gates. And the staircases are not like flat, they are angled and going up at an angle. So you look at them and and it's like it's not easy to get to heaven, but it's worth it when you get there. The gates are stunning, they're beautifully done. The etiquette in there, the the detail in there, it's just absolutely beautiful. And I got that done for them because both of their passings are within 45 days of each other during this time period. And so it it really meant a lot to me because all of my tattoos, they're meaningful. They're not just like, oh, I'm gonna go put a snake on me, or you know, whatever. They're all the journey that we've gone through. And I've had, I have some for my grandfather, some for my grandmother. I actually have both of their portraits on my back. And now I wanted to do this one for her. But after that was done, Little Miss Addicted to Tattooing now, child of ours, who is over the age, so no hate mail on that. She is well over the age of consent for tattooing, decided that she was getting this stunning, this phoenix, right? And Jeff, again, huge shout out to him, created this phoenix, and Faith wanted the wings of both us both wings with scars in it that showed no matter how hard they tried to keep her down, she still rose from the ashes. And this tattoo needs to be in a magazine, it needs to be front cover of a magazine. It's the most gorgeous, like deep cobalt blue and burgundy, and there's a tad of burgundy, you have to look for it, and purples, and just I mean, it is how do you describe that?

SPEAKER_00 16:42

It's simply amazing. It's it's like you said, stunning.

SPEAKER_05 16:45

It is stunning.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Hell literal, hell, yeah. It's it's just it really represents her.

Tattoos As Memory, Meaning, And Resilience

SPEAKER_05 16:54

Oh my god, it's it is stunning. And then I look over and I'm like, thanks, Jeff. Like, you just put mine to shame, you know. And he was just like, I was practicing on you. And when it was done, she's like, That's it. Can you dry needle me? I mean, are you done? Like this kid is like, that's it. And hers probably mine was about three hours, and hers was probably an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Well, remember the the last one she got done.

SPEAKER_05 17:14

That was my dedication piece that she did for me without telling me.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

God, the red in there was just yeah, gorgeous. Yeah, so this one has outdone that one, I think.

SPEAKER_05 17:24

Oh, yes. And I asked her, oh, uh. Are you Jewish? Someone know. You know, I didn't know until growing up that in order for you to be Jewish, your mother has to be Jewish at the time of your delivery, unless, unless you change to Judaism and you become actually Jewish. You have to like actually become Jewish. So it looks like our neighbor's pregnant. Sorry, I know that's way out in the field. I just saw her on the camera.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Oh, you're right. She is. It looks like it. She is, she is waddling. Oh, did I say that on air you did? Oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 18:03

She's young, too. She's not even 18. Or she just turned 18 or something like that. Anyway, so I asked her, I said, What made you get it there on your on your arm? And my beautiful child says, and I don't know if she told you this there, babe, but I said, Why there? Like it, you know, she wants full sleeves.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Right.

SPEAKER_05 18:21

And she's like, I've already gotten five full tattoos. They're huge. I mean, even her first was not little. And she she says, Well, mom, let me tell you why. I put it on the arm where my Karmia, that's her name for me, tattoo is because without you, I wouldn't have risen through the ashes. And that arm is closest to my heart. And so, therefore, this whole arm is you, is dedicated to you. And I was like, and she goes, and when she was getting it, she told Jeff it had to be bigger than the one she did dedicating for you. She said it has to be bigger. So I was like, That's my girl. She's just so my girl.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

I'm gonna have a talk with her.

SPEAKER_05 19:01

Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah. She got him to take her to the serial killer exhibit.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Oh my god, y'all. If y'all have not been down to Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta, and went to that serial killer serial, like that you eat for breakfast.

SPEAKER_05 19:20

Yes. He did sound like he said it's serial, right? It's cereal. That's what I said. Serial. Oh, good lord in heaven. Good.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

All right. Down to that serial killer exhibit. I I encourage you to go at least once, okay? It's a lot of reading. There's a lot of information there. There's a lot of artifacts and exhibits to look at. They have Jeffrey Dahmer's like actual glasses in here. That's so much stuff. And uh lifelike corpses that have been mutilated, you know, according to the crime scene, and the photos are right there.

SPEAKER_05 19:57

Yeah, the actual the actual photos.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Oh my gosh, it was so real, some of them.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

They are the actual photos from the crime. Like it starts this exhibit was in London, then it went to Italy, and the first stop in the U.S. is here in Atlanta.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

And so it was 40-something rooms. And bless my thump and gizzard little daughter in there, she likes to read every word, every single word. So it's supposed to be 120 minutes. Okay. You better pay for two, uh be three-hour parking if you go there, because it took us no less than three hours to go through that 40-room scenario and read everything. And let me tell you, she was just up on her the balls of her feet. She was just giddy the whole way. She was like, Oh, dad, you're the best, Dad. Thank you, Dad, for taking me here, Dad.

The Phoenix Piece And Mother–Daughter Bond

SPEAKER_05 20:42

And then she wrote me a thank you card and said, Well, I was just appeasing him, but I know you got the ticket. So I even put it back on you. I'm like, No, it was dad's idea. And she was like, Really, mom? And I was like, No, it was all dad. And she's like, Yeah, really, Mom. So I try to give you know you the credit, but But it it is worth seeing at least one time. So would you go with me?

SPEAKER_00 21:04

With you? Yes, I'd go there with you.

SPEAKER_05 21:07

You know she wants to go again.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

And I'd be asleep in the truck.

SPEAKER_05 21:11

But you said you'd go with me.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

I'd go there with you. But you wouldn't go back in? Oh my gosh. What? That's a lot.

SPEAKER_05 21:18

So?

SPEAKER_00 21:19

I've already seen it all.

SPEAKER_05 21:20

Okay, I've seen all of you, but I see it again and again.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

Easy, girl. This is keeping it PG. Since when? Since now. Yeah, right. Yeah, so that's that's our week. We got another week coming up. We'll throw out two more podcasts. Seems like that's all I've been doing here lately.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

Oh my god. Really? You know, I really want Faith to come in and do one because she's like, because my husband's like, Oh, I've had such a busy week. I did I'm doing two podcasts this week. She's like, Yeah, let's reflect on what mom's done this week. Let's see. She released one book, she wrote another, and I was like, No, not one. I've written And completed two books this week. I've done five chapter collaborations. And yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

You honestly could not do nothing.

SPEAKER_05 22:10

I know. Even if I sit in bed, I'm working. Like I sit in the bed.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

I saw you last time when I came in there. Yeah. You had a notepad in bed to write down shit.

SPEAKER_05 22:18

Yeah. For the series that we're gonna start books for for the kids, like ideas and stuff or the age groups and you know, fears and things that they need reflection and help with. And I was breaking it down per subject and age and you know, things like that. So yeah, even in bed. And poor Stucco is like looking at me like, Mom, I need to put my head in your lap. Mom, mom. He just needs his mom.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Pretty soon it'd be another edition. Yes, it's less than a month. And we're still battling about the name.

SPEAKER_05 22:54

No, you've named her. I just can't keep her. I I can't believe with my memory I keep calling her Simba because I don't know why. I'm just reflecting the Lion King, but it's Samba, even though I wanted Mambo.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

I just think the feminine version of Mambo is Samba. I just it just sounds correct for a female.

SPEAKER_05 23:15

Well, my dog was Mambo and it was a girl.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

So one of my wife's best songs is by Bet Midler called The Rose. We got married to it once. And I often reference that on a lot of things that I engrave here for her.

SPEAKER_05 23:29

And also my favorite actress Betty White, who played Rose on the Golden Girls. Love her.

Serial Killer Exhibit Takeaways

SPEAKER_00 23:34

And so I decided to call the new edition our family White Golden Retriever, a cream-colored golden retriever that we'll get here soon. Her name will be Samba Rose. And I like it. So she will be my dog. Yeah, right. Right. That's hilarious. I'll take care of her. I'll so funny. That is so funny. I laugh. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_05 24:03

She'll sleep on my side of the bed. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. We all know that's not how this works.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

No. You think your jealous stucco is gonna let you?

SPEAKER_05 24:14

Oh, absolutely. Because he'll be like, let me get all sweet on her. Really? So when she gets a little older, we can produce a little offspring.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Okay, folks, listen to this. After dinner, no, before dinner, it was uh, I don't know, sometime in the afternoon. After you woke up. After we woke up. My wife comes to sit down beside me in the couch. I'm sitting in the couch. I sat in the couch. I'm sitting in the recliner. I if I'm in the recliner, you gotta be in the couch. Oh, good lord. Jealousy boy over here.

SPEAKER_05 24:45

No, both of them.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Rusty's doing it too. Stucco, her service dog, comes up and gets, tries to get in her lap and starts nudging up under her arm for her to pet him. She will not, I mean, he will not allow me to have five minutes with my wife.

SPEAKER_05 25:03

No.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

He's got to be right there in between us. And if I put my hand anywhere in my wife, oh no.

SPEAKER_05 25:09

He'll move my husband's hands.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 25:11

He will. He'll even take his paw and push him. And then Rusty's now coming up behind him and doing the same thing. Those are my boys. Like one of them walks up the stairs in front of me, and the other walks behind me every time.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Does anyone else have a jealous dog out there? Let me hear you. Contact us. Go to our website, contagious smile.com.

SPEAKER_05 25:32

When's the last time you checked your email for a contagious smile? And don't do it right now.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Worst luck.

SPEAKER_05 25:38

No, no, no, no, no. We could have so many people reaching out to you and you don't ever check your email. Now, I have people tell me that they are dumbfounded at how fast my response time to them are. And I get like 60,000 emails.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

No, you get around 12,000 a day.

SPEAKER_05 25:53

Right. I'm talking about during the week. Yeah. It's like 60,000 emails a week.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

I don't know how you go through them.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

Carefully.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

No. No. I'd be like Jim Carrey in Liar Liar. Deleted! No, where he portrayed his God and he just hit yes to answer all the prayers. That's how I'd be I'd just delete. What movie are you talking about? Bruce Almighty. What? You didn't see it? No. How dare you?

SPEAKER_05 26:20

I don't have time to sit and watch movies like you. I work 20 hours a day.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

What was that uh fella's name that's coming on the show? John Cena. And what show was he on? Chicago PD.

SPEAKER_05 26:31

This is what I used to watch when she was little and you weren't even in the picture. And I was laying in bed at 2-3 o'clock. You don't watch Chicago Fire now? That's not Chicago Fire. He was Chicago PD and he's no longer on it.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

You watch the rookie?

SPEAKER_05 26:43

I do. Because Eric Winter.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

You watch Law and Order?

SPEAKER_05 26:46

Because Mark Marishka Harkite likes us and loves us in the book. But in fairness, because No, no, no, no, no. Wait, hold on. Truth answer. Yes or no. When I have them on, it's late at night in bed. And I have always been in there working while it's on in the background. Yes or no? Always? 95% of the time.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Okay. I'll accept that.

SPEAKER_05 27:09

And it's always at night, not during the day. And it's normally while y'all are doing your movies downstairs.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

We gotta finish our movie tonight.

SPEAKER_05 27:17

So that's when I do it, but I'm up there working. But look, Marishka Hargate loved Who Kicked First.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

Yeah, that was awesome.

SPEAKER_05 27:25

So that's this. Eric Winter from The Rookie, let's name drop. Okay. He's helping our daughter prank you. So, and that show is phenomenal. And you're just mad at Eric because he's married to that gorgeous woman that you've had the lots for forever. You know what? When I have John on, you you don't even have to co-host. You can find yourself innate. You don't have to be here.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

That gorgeous woman. She's beautiful.

Workload, Creativity, And Family Life

SPEAKER_05 27:49

You didn't say your name. No, I don't have to. So then we have, you know, so I am I am loyal beyond a fault where I support who support us. And how can I not? So there you have it. You and like if somebody from sci-fi world, I wouldn't even know who they are if they like reached out to us and wanted to come on, I'd have no idea who they were. Because I don't think I've ever set through or made it through any of your movies. Because and Faith says the same thing. Because it knocks you out. You just want to go right to sleep. Like you just can't stay awake through them. No matter how wide awake I am, if you put on one of your movies, I'm done. Like I'm going to bed. I'm sleeping.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

It's yeah. Yeah. All right then. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Do we have a subject we're talking about tonight? We're bringing anything up. We talked a little bit last night about narcissism.

SPEAKER_05 28:53

Yes, we've talked about narcissism. That they get their own day, which is just crazy. Crazy ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

That they actually get their own day. That doesn't make sense to my little feeble brain.

SPEAKER_05 29:10

I mean, they just I I just can't. I I can't put my head in that mind space and understand how.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

So speaking of putting your head in the mind space of a narcissist, y'all check out her prequel book to Who Kicked First. It's called Nart Narc Who's There. It is so full of evidence. That might give you an idea. All right. And then and then you're gonna realize, hey, I've got this asshole in my family.

SPEAKER_05 29:38

Well, please don't let the reviews turn you away from this book. The reviews The reason is is if you go and look at the other books, they're all five-star reviews, right? And then you look at Nartnark who's there, and it's comical because they're they're not authenticated purchases that right. And after some research and discussion, coming to find out, yeah, that they are from the narcissistic people themselves, and they're actual characters, the real life people in the book, but of course they're hiding behind a name that's not theirs, right? It's another mask, absolutely. So yeah, that's an interesting spin on it. And it kind of when I read the reviews, I was almost wanting to send a little thank you basket or a thank you note or something because it really shows, you know, I mean, for them to say she has no idea what a narcissist is or what a narcissist goes through or who they are or anything like that. I mean, you know, really that's kind of funny because your your shit got called out and it's not, he said, she said, there's so much proof in these books, and this one well in all of them, but in narc specifically, there are photos, there are text messages, there are emails, there is, I mean, so much in there. Can you imagine the reaction when it was read initially by these individuals? Holy crap.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Holy crap. They couldn't put it down. So just to FYI, those folks listening out there, okay. Amazon is not the only place that these books are sold.

SPEAKER_05 31:18

Oh, good. So we have more places to go be derogatory.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

We just want to let you know, like my wife said, she almost heard a thank you because book sales increased. So there you go.

Old-School Love, Grandparents, And Values

SPEAKER_05 31:31

But it's just kind of, you know, and the thing is is that these individuals attempted to come after us in multiple ways. And when it got down to it, the bottom line of it was, well, if you are saying that you identify as this particular character in the book, then you have to prove that that is not you to in order to hold any leverage. And if that is the case, then it becomes public. And then I get to show my side and I get to redact the whole book, which I already have the book.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

You get to remove your redaction. I get to redact the redaction. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:17

And I already have the book redacted, like it's already done. And so all I have to do is do a new release on Amazon and put it out there, which I was more than nice in regards to the fact that I made sure their identity was covered. I made sure there was no way that Joe Blow and Sally Q or whoever wouldn't know who they were, right? But the thing is, is that I made sure faces and names and all that were not anywhere to be found. But people tried to say that they identified as those individuals. And if that's the case, then they would have had to prove that that was them. And how do you argue with pictures? How do you argue with text messages? How do you argue with emails that came from your email server, right? So, you know, thank you. I mean, whatever. I made sure you were protected. Why? Because that's what I did.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

So the books can be found on Victoria Cure's website, victoriacuree.com. Victoria and then cure C U O R E dot com.

SPEAKER_05 33:23

For the longest time you could never spell my name. I don't know why. Pure. Kind of like puree.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Well, do you hear the O?

SPEAKER_05 33:30

No, but it's Italian.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

Do you hear the E?

SPEAKER_05 33:33

It's Italian.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Well, I'm not Italian.

SPEAKER_05 33:36

I know you're redneck.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

I say pillar.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

Hey, we could write a book about your side of the family. That ought to be funny.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

All three pages.

SPEAKER_05 33:46

They wouldn't be blank. No, but seriously, think about it. A rabbit. A rabbit.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Oh, we know what we have for dinner anymore.

SPEAKER_05 33:54

Not uh. I don't think so. We could, we could write a a book.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

That would be we call it like the wheels on the bus go around.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

That's not funny. Why is that funny? Why? Because why? What kind of bus is it?

SPEAKER_05 34:30

Yeah, because I mean there's some stuff. You can't have Faith in here talking heads for doggones, or y'all y'all need to do your own podcast. You and Faith need to talk. Your side of the family has taught my child some nasty raunchy stuff.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Just a few words.

SPEAKER_05 34:52

Uh-uh. No. No. I don't think so. Let's not even bring her in here and ask her what your egg donor taught her. Or your sperm donor taught her. Holy crap. There should be like, you know, it's just like grandparents are not grandparents like they used to be in my time anymore. I mean, they're just not those people. They don't have the same mentality and whatever from when we were little. What are you thinking about? You know, you're over there deep in thought again.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

Well, I mean think about your grandparents. Yes. And then think about my brother.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Yes. Who's now a grandfather. Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Yeah. I mean, we are technically no, not we. I would come over. I would come over to my grandparents' house and my grandfather would slip me like a five-dollar bill when I was real young, you know, eight, nine years old, and say, it's only money. It's only good for spinach. So don't don't tell your grandma. And then grandma, mama, would slip me like a five or ten. Right? Don't tell your grandpa. And they did this all the time to us. Right? We were we were too young to have a job or chores at that age. I mean, eight, nine. We're not gonna do anything but play Atari, you know. It sounds like now. Go outside and swing on a vine or something.

SPEAKER_05 36:29

That kind of sounds like you now.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:34

Only if we could play like Breakout of Frogger. I might actually, but I don't know. I hate video games too much. But that's not a video game to me in comparison to games today. They're not the same.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

You could actually play Atari.

SPEAKER_05 36:46

You're an asshole. Because it's a controller with one hand.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

It's a stick and one button.

SPEAKER_05 36:52

You better be careful you won't talk about a hand and a stick. That's all I'm gonna say to you right now. Because it might be a while before I play with that again.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

I didn't mean to push your button.

SPEAKER_05 37:02

I'm just saying. But like, you know, I used to work at my grandparents' boutique and then I'd save up money.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

And if I like it, that's not the norm for most people.

Narcissism, The Book, And Backlash

SPEAKER_05 37:10

But I wanted a VCR and I saved up for it, and they took me to get it. And little than I know, they put that money back in a savings account for me. You know, but when I wanted something, I worked for it, but I lived for them. I wanted to make them happy. I wanted to see the smile on their face. Everything was for them. I mean, they taught me everything, no matter how bad one of them was hurting, because they were always going through something medical. Like my grandfather opened every door for my grandmother. And my biological father said they argued. I never once heard him argue in all of my life. I never heard them argue. If they did it, it was behind closed doors. Never heard him raise a voice to her. And, you know, he'd open all the doors for her. He'd he would order her Sankha, right? Remember back in the day, Sankha? He'd order her food. He would call her his bride. You know, when she was passing away, she had every card he ever wrote her in over 50 years. And she gave them to me. Like every anniversary, every birthday, every Christmas card. She had them in a box, and they were in mint condition, you know. I mean, that's the kind of love that people dream of finding that, you know, you search your whole life for. And just the two of them together were just so like the perfect match. And you would see everything you wanted in a partner and a parent and a grandparent and a who you are as a person. And then today, everybody's like, oh, here's an electronic, get lost. You know, go play a video game, go do whatever. It wasn't go play outside until the street lights come on, or you know, phones that are hooked to a wall with an eight-foot cord on it, or you know, anything like that. People eating in their own respected bedroom and not together as a family, you know. It's it's just, you know, the person on the other end of that phone or the AI bot or whatever it is isn't gonna be there when you need someone in five years or you know, and it just I just don't understand it. Everybody is so dependent on electronics. And I I don't get it. I just don't get it. I'm just old school. I'm very old school.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

You say you're old.

SPEAKER_05 39:14

No, you're old.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

You got a birthday coming up.

SPEAKER_05 39:17

Okay, so yours is before mine.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

Um I know I'm old.

SPEAKER_05 39:21

Yeah, but you could you're like a grandpa age old. You could have great, you might, you don't even know it. What you could have grandkids out there, you could have kids out there no one knows about, and they could have kids. So you technically could be a grandpa, and you just don't know it.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

As far as I know, I have three children.

SPEAKER_05 39:36

But you spread enough seed that you might have another one out there you don't know of.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

That might be true.

SPEAKER_05 39:42

And they could have kids, so you could be a grandpa or even a great grandpa by now.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Thanks a lot. You're welcome. No wonder I'm getting more gray. You couldn't. I couldn't get more gray? No. You say I'm already gray enough?

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

That's it. I'm coloring it.

SPEAKER_05 40:01

You're not gonna color your hair.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Color my hair.

SPEAKER_05 40:04

Really? You're gonna go color your hair. I colored my go tea one time. What? Blonde? Brown?

SPEAKER_00 40:13

Serious? When was this? A few years back before I came into your life. Again. Again.

SPEAKER_05 40:22

Hey, I'll send you to Britney. You wanna go cut your hair or you wanna dye your hair?

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Which Britney?

SPEAKER_05 40:28

My Britney.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

No.

SPEAKER_05 40:29

Why?

SPEAKER_00 40:30

Because she wants to wax me. She does. No.

SPEAKER_05 40:33

Everybody there does.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

No, Brittany. I know you're listening.

SPEAKER_05 40:38

She would, you know. She might actually do like rainbow if Faith asked her to. She would.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Have I had rainbow on my fingernails? No.

SPEAKER_05 40:46

Yes, your daughter did that. Our daughter did that. But no, she would do like the LGBTQIA plus colors in your hair for you.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

No, spank you.

SPEAKER_05 40:56

Why?

SPEAKER_01 40:57

Why are you so about it? Crickets. No. Why?

SPEAKER_05 41:09

Anyway. How about a waxing?

SPEAKER_00 41:12

Did you that's why I don't want to go anywhere near her or and her gaggle gals over there. Okay? They can buy engraving from me, but I'm not going anywhere near them. Well, that's hypocritical. No, it's not. Yeah. They want to torture me. Okay? Beauty is painful. Beauty is painful. I don't care about beauty. I'm not beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 41:35

This is why we're beauty and the beast. And I'm the beast.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Seriously?

SPEAKER_05 41:39

I drive the beast.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

You drive me crazy.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

I drive you crazy?

SPEAKER_00 41:46

You are. You know what? You are a sexy beast.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

I drive the beast. I have I call my vehicle a beast. Because it is. It is a beast.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Really?

SPEAKER_05 41:57

Yeah, you're just mad because everybody calls yours a little. Yours. No, no, yours is not the beast.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

Contemplating.

SPEAKER_05 42:05

Uh-huh. Contemplating what?

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Getting rid of it.

SPEAKER_05 42:10

It's not even two months old.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:12

Now it's used. Because it's two months old. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

All right. We're kind of off in Lipfield. That's what we do best. Thanks for listening, y'all. Be sure to check out victoria.com.

SPEAKER_05 42:28

It's not victoria.com.com. Oh my lord in heaven. Will you give me a second? You said.com, which means you finished the URL. It is victoriacuret.com.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

There you go. And a contagious smile.com.

Evidence, Redactions, And Integrity

SPEAKER_05 42:42

Yes. And a contagious smile.m is in Mary and is in Nancy.co is the university. And I think we're going to start doing some giveaways. Maybe we'll start that next week. Of books and workbooks and maybe coming on the air and you know, things like that. If you have somebody who has a birthday coming up or an anniversary, or you want to send a message out to somebody, and you maybe want to send a message out to your ex. I won't say their name or yours, or we'll keep it confidential to the degree you wish. You know, send us a message on victoria at a contagious smile.com and uh maybe we'll do a shout out for you. You know, that's always an incentive as well.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

Or maybe you've you've read one of her many books and you want to share a personal story. Maybe it helped, maybe it didn't, maybe you found yourself in a similar situation. We've had writers come out and say the very same thing.

SPEAKER_05 43:44

You know what? I would like to have someone who come can come on the show and say, I am an abuser. I am someone who has been abusive to my partner. I would love to have a conversation with them into the mindset as to why. Hey, we asked for a pedophile and we got one.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

We did. We didn't know that he was gonna map his way. Yeah.

Names, Sites, And Giveaways

SPEAKER_05 44:11

But I would love to have somebody who is, you know, if you think you are strong enough as a man to come on and have a conversation with me. I did an international show with Ronan a couple years ago with an abuser who tried to take me on and it was live over in Ireland. And everybody was like, who is this United States woman? You know, because everybody obviously had the Irish accent. And I was taking on an abuser who tried to at first come at me as a woman, and it got seriously heated very quickly. And he was yelling and, you know, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, oh, look who the big one is on the other side of the screen, you know, across the ocean, never raising my voice, never cursing, staying at my level. And he couldn't stand it. He tried everything he could to, you know, escalate me and he failed. And he couldn't stand it. And so, like, people were just going crazy in the comments for him when we did this. And this guy, I thought he was gonna have an aneurysm. I mean, he was so red in the face, you could see the veins in his neck. And it was like, hey, you know, if you think you're Billy Bad Butt, come on, let's have this conversation, right? And he thought he was. And, you know, he even tried to get Ronan to get me to back off. And it was like, I'm not yelling at you. I'm not raising my voice to you. I'm not disrespecting you with four-letter words because that's the length of my vocabulary. I'm trying to have a conversation with you. You're the one being disrespectful. You know, I heard, and this is kind of a the thing I want to end on, which I heard about there's an older lady who I saw a video of, and it was so powerful. It was like for these jackasses who talk so horrible to their spouse, right? When they're being abusive and they say something just unforgivable, tell them to write it down, right? Take that napkin with their handwriting on it, take it to their mother and say, Would your son say this to you? And see what is said, or give that napkin back and say, How would you feel if your daughter had a boyfriend who said this to them and see what they say? Like this was so powerful when I watched this is like an older, older lady, very classy, well put together, who came across and said, Yeah, write it, have him write it down, take it to his mom, see what she says. And that was like, wow, that's that's strong. Or give it back and say, What would you do if your daughter's boyfriend said this to her? Or what if you had said this to your daughter and just ruined a five-minute conversation can ruin your relationship for life with your child, and that really makes you take a step back and think about it. Are those words worth the destruction? Because you're mad. Walk away. You want to be the definition of a man? Turn around and walk away. That's a man.

SPEAKER_00 47:08

So the challenge is out there. If you think you got the gajones, why has it got to be a Hispanic? To stand up and say, Come on, Victoria, I'll talk to you. I'm an abuser.

SPEAKER_05 47:19

I'll have Michael here for your protection.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

I I know I don't like it. You'll you'll hear it. You know, some things may trigger you, but I have faith in my wife. I know how she is.

SPEAKER_05 47:34

But if you think you can come on a show and give your two cents of why in your complex mind that you think it's okay to be abusive, then come on.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

Contact us through our website or email me. What's your email?

SPEAKER_05 47:56

Victoria at a contagious smile.com. There's two S's for contagious and then smile.com. And we aren't gonna yell at you. We're not gonna raise our voice to you. You know, we wanna have a conversation with you. Let's see if you can keep yourself in check. They can't. Abusers cannot keep themselves in check. But I I want to put that option out there to see if somebody will step up and and have this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 48:21

We shall see. Thank you all for listening. Do a contagious smile unstoppable. Until next week, which is tomorrow.

unknown 48:32

Bye.