Project Sustainability Collective Podcast
Project Sustainability Collective Podcast
Hosted by Lili-Ann Kriegler and Bronwyn Cron
Welcome to the Project Sustainability Collective Podcast, where early childhood pedagogy and sustainability education come together, positioning ECEC educators as the critical leverage point for planetary change.
Hosts Lili-Ann, author and expert in early childhood pedagogy, play, and project-based learning, thinking skills, and leadership, and Bronwyn Cron, author and expert in STEM and sustainability education, bring together decades of combined expertise. They work together to explore how educators simultaneously shape child development and environmental futures, and regularly host sustainability and education thought leaders to enrich our listeners' podcast experience.
Our Approach:
Grounded in research with 200+ Australian ECEC services, we explore sustainability holistically across five interconnected domains: environmental, social, economic, cultural, and leadership/governance. Through our Sustainability Impact Accelerator framework, we help you recognise your significance, deepen your thinking, and expand your influence, accelerating change that ripples from your service outward to children, families, communities, and ultimately transforms policy and culture.
What We Explore:
Thought-provoking, evidence-based insights connecting brain development to environmental consciousness, practical frameworks like our Sustainability Discovery Framework, and approaches to embedding the EYLF 2.0 Sustainability Principle into everyday practice. We examine play-based learning, place-connected pedagogies, project development, team engagement, courageous planning, and how to integrate sustainability into your quality improvement plans.
Who This Is For:
Early childhood educators, educational leaders, directors, pedagogical leaders, sustainability coordinators, policy makers, and anyone who recognises that supporting optimal child development during the grounding years IS the most powerful sustainability education possible.
Our Promise:
We combine intellectual rigour with practical application, honouring your professionalism whilst providing frameworks and language that validate what you already know works. We help you see that you're not doing two separate jobs—child development and sustainability are the same work viewed from different angles.
You are architects of possibility, working at the intersection where human development and planetary futures meet.
Join us as we accelerate education for sustainability, positioning ECEC educators where you belong—at the centre of the conversation about planetary futures.
Acknowledgement of Country:
We respect the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the land of the Kulin Nation groups, the Boonwurrung and Bunurong people, where I live, learn, and work.
We also respect the people and cultures from across the globe who live and work for the optimistic future of this unique island continent, Australia. May we all walk gently into the future.
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The Grounding Years - Why the First 2,000 Days Matter for Child Development (Ep 1)
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Episode 1: The Grounding Years - Why the First 2,000 Days Matter for Child Development
Series: The First 2,000 Days: Building Brain Architecture and Sustainable Futures
Welcome to the first full episode of our new series exploring the profound connection between early childhood development and sustainability consciousness.
In our introduction, we presented the fundamental premise: child development and sustainability are the same story viewed from different angles. Today we begin with the first of three interconnected questions: Why do the early years matter for child development?
In this episode:
We explore the extraordinary science behind why this particular window matters so profoundly—from the construction happening at lightning speed in developing brains to the critical processes that determine which capacities strengthen and which fade away. Using the metaphor of a river red gum seedling establishing its root system, we examine what "grounding years" really means and why timing matters more than you might think.
We address the age-old question of nature versus nurture with encouraging research that reveals the extent of educators' influence. Through compelling evidence from landmark studies, we discover what happens when children's environments change during this critical window—and why the quality of early childhood education isn't neutral.
Finally, we explore holistic development and what it means to support the whole child. Through practical examples from everyday early childhood settings, we reveal how children's different developmental areas work together, with profound implications for both immediate learning and lifelong capacities.
Why This Matters:
The warm responses, thoughtful environments, and rich experiences you provide aren't just supporting development—they're building the neural architecture that will support human flourishing and environmental consciousness for decades to come.
The Overarching Message:
You are not just early childhood educators. You are architects of the future, working during the most powerful developmental window.
Next Episode: The Extinction of Experience - Why Nature Connection Matters for Sustainable Futures
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Lili-Ann Kriegler (B. A Hons, H. Dip. Ed, M.Ed.) is an award-winning author and Melbourne-based education consultant. Her books are 'The Power of Play' for educators and 'Roots and Wings' for parents. Lili-Ann’ is a leader in early childhood education (birth to years), leadership and optimising human thinking and cognition. She runs her consultancy, Kriegler-Education. She is passionate about the early childhood sector and believes in the transformational power of education.
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Episode 1 The Grounding Years Final Podcast Recording.mp3 Transcript
LIL: Welcome back to the Sustainability Collective Podcast. I'm Lil.
BRON: And I'm Bron. And this is the first episode in our series, The First 2,000 Days, Building Brain Architecture and Sustainable Futures.
LIL: In our introduction, we presented the idea of how child development and consciousness of sustainability are the same story viewed from different angles. Today we're exploring the first fundamental question we presented in the introduction. Why do the early years matter for child development?
BRON: So this episode is called The Grounding Years: Why the First 2000 Days Matter for Child Development. And we're going to explore the extraordinary neuroscience behind why this particular window matters so profoundly.
LIL: Today we are starting with what might be the most important question of all. Bron, what is it about the early years that makes this work so critical?
BRON: Well, the research is really clear on the answer to that question. But before we look closer at the science, let's think about a tiny river red gum seedling in its first few seasons. Those river redgum seedlings can grow 45 metres tall and live for 500 years. But what determines whether any particular seedling reaches that potential? It's what happens in those first few seasons, the grounding years, that makes all the difference.
LIL: That tiny seedling is building the underground system that will support everything that follows. Deep grounding means the tree can grow tall, can weather droughts and storms, can thrive for centuries. Shallow grounding? The tree survives, but it never reaches its potential.
BRON: And this is precisely what's happening with the children in our early childhood settings.
LIL: The first 2,000 days from conception to age five are the grounding years for human development. This is where brain architecture is being built that will support or limit children's capacities for the rest of their lives.
BRON: So let's talk about what's actually happening in those developing brains, because the numbers are quite extraordinary.
LIL: They really are. During this early years, over 1 million neural connections form every second, every second. That's from the Australian Department of Social Services Evidence Summary from 2024.
BRON: One million connections per second. When I first heard that, I had to stop and really think about what that means for educators. If you're working with children during this incredible period of construction.
LIL: Yeah, that's amazing. And here's another number that always stops me. The brain at birth weighs about 400 grams, but by the first birthday, it's more than doubled in size.
BRON: More than doubled in one year.
LIL: Yeah. This isn't just growth, Bron. It's construction. It's wiring. It's specialisation, happening at a pace that will never occur again in a human lifespan.
BRON: So what is it that drives all this construction? What's the actual processes?
LIL: There are three main processes working together. The first one is synaptogenesis. This is the creation of connections between the brain cells. So by age three, children have about 1,000 trillion synapses. And that's actually twice as many as adults have.
BRON: Twice as many. So What happens to all those extra connections?
LIL: Well, that brings us to the second process. It's called synaptic pruning. The brain initially overproduces connections, and then it sculpts itself through experience. It keeps the pathways that are being used, and it eliminates the ones that aren't.
BRON: So it's a matter of use it or lose it.
LIL: Right, and this is where educators work. Your work, and we're so delighted you're here, your work becomes very critical. The experiences that you provide, the interactions you facilitate, the environment you create are directly determining which neural pathways are strengthened and which ones are pruned away.
BRON: So when we talk about intentional teaching, for example, this is what we mean at the neurological level.
LIL: Exactly. And the third process after synaptogenesis and synaptic pruning is myelination. This is my favourite one, Bron. The brain wraps the pathways between the neurones. There's a piece called an axon. And that piece is covered in a white fatty substance called myelin that makes the signals travel faster and more efficiently. So think about if you're travelling along a dirt road and that gets converted to a sealed road. That's what happens when these neurones have been myelinated. Everything is more efficient.
BRON: And this process starts in the early years, but it continues through adolescence and beyond for those kind of higher order thinking functions, right?
LIL: Yeah, and I'm pleased you speak about higher order thinking functions because higher order thinking functions come later. This tells us something important about development. It is hierarchical.
BRON: So what do you mean by hierarchical exactly?
LIL: Well, as I've just intimated, the research shows that higher level functions depend on lower level functions being well established first. You can't build things like complex problem solving skills until basic sensory processing is really solid. You can't develop sophisticated emotional regulation, without foundational attachment and a sense of security and belonging.
BRON: So building that tree from the ground up, you can't grow the canopy until the trunk is stable.
LIL: Yeah, the metaphor really fits that. And this is why timing matters so much. The foundational neural circuits being formed during those first 2,000 days, they become the foundation for everything that comes later.
BRON: Okay, so we've talked about the speed and the processes, but I know the question educators often have is about nature versus nurture. So how much is predetermined by genetics and how much can we actually influence?
LIL: This is truly, and I know that everyone listening understands, this is the age-old question. But this is also where the research is very encouraging. Our genes do play a role. But development does not lie only in genes. It is also in the experiences we have and the opportunities offered in a child's environment. That's directly from ACECQA, the Quality Authority in Australia for Early Childhood. That's directly from their summary of research.
BRON: So genes aren't destiny.
LIL: Not at all. Genes determine the basic brain structure that forms before birth, but after birth, the brain is still actively gaining neurones and synapses, and there are endless possibilities for how this will form and what the brain will strengthen and what it will retain.
BRON: And what determines which possibilities become reality?
LIL: This is the environment. And I know we're speaking to educators and everyone involved in early education, but this is equally important for anyone who's a parent. The environment is what has an impact. The environment is what the child must adapt to and will adapt to. This means educators aren't just supervising children who are following predetermined paths. you're actively shaping the neural architecture that will support their thinking, their feeling, their relating, and their learning for life.
BRON: That's a pretty profound responsibility right there.
LIL: It is. It sounds quite scary, but it's also a profound and magnificent opportunity. And we have really compelling evidence for this from what's called the Bucharest Early Intervention Project.
BRON: So tell us a bit more about that study, Lil.
LIL: It's a landmark longitudinal study that compared children raised in institutional settings with very minimal stimulation to children placed in high quality foster care. Some children placed in institutions like orphanages, for instance, might just have languished in a cot, but what they found The children who remained in institutions showed dramatically different brain activity patterns compared to children who had never been institutionalised.
BRON: So different brain activity, not just different behaviours, but actually different brain function.
LIL: Exactly. And the critical finding was about timing. So children who came out of institutions and were placed in high-quality care before the age of two, showed brain activity patterns very similar to children who had never been institutionalised. But if they moved from the institutions into high-quality care after the age of two, the changes were harder to achieve.
BRON: So what you do during those grounding years literally changes brain development.
LIL: The research says it clearly. Intervening in adverse circumstances is most successful if it occurs before the brain processes become entrenched and harder to rewire. That's from the Tierney and Nelson's research published in 0 to 3. But what I want to say, This isn't doom and gloom. Of course, changes can occur after this period, but they're just harder to achieve. This area is the one that makes it most possible and the easiest to do.
BRON: So that's why early intervention works so much better. So I guess that kind of brings us to a practical question. And what does it mean for educators' daily work?
LIL: Well, it brings the realisation that everything you do matters. For example, if you respond warmly to a child babbling, in the toddlers and the baby section, you strengthen the neural pathways for both attachment, but also for language development. And when you create a predictable, responsive environment, you help to wire the circuits for later emotional regulation.
BRON: Is this what the research calls the serve and return interaction?
LIL: Yes. and they are fundamental to building brain architecture. Serve and return is like back and forth exchanges between children and adults. So... What helps is if you follow your child's gaze, if you put your focus and your attention on what they're attending to, rather than trying to make them attend to what you'd like them to. If you follow the children and you're responsive, you're starting to create nurturing relationships. And these aren't nice extras or nice to have. These serve and return with a lot of eye contact, I have to say, they are the mechanism through which healthy brain development happens.
BRON: And it's not just about interactions, is it? The physical environment matters as well, right?
LIL: Yeah, exactly. So think back to institutions, if a child is languishing in a cot with no stimulation, versus the richness of a learning environment, either at home or in the early learning centre, The opportunities for exploration, the variety of sensory experience, all of this becomes embedded in brain structure through synaptic strengthening and pruning, as we described earlier.
BRON: And there's research showing that home environments with cognitive stimulation predict academic success in adolescence and adult educational attainment as well, right?
LIL: Yeah, exactly. That same principle that applies to early childhood environments, it applies at home. Whoever, whichever significant adults are in the child's ambit, they are the ones that are helping the brain to develop in the optimal way. So the thoughtfulness educators bring to setting up their rooms, selecting materials, designing experiences, it's all directly influencing which neural pathways are being reinforced.
BRON: So when educators are spending time carefully choosing resources and arranging spaces and thinking about what experiences to offer.
LIL: Yeah, they're not just making things look nice, they're creating the context for neural development.
BRON: And then this brings us to the critical question of quality.
LIL: It does. Because not all early childhood education has the same impact. The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare has been very clear that quality matters more than quantity. So if we think about that for a minute, in early childhood centres where children are there a lot of the time, but they don't have that lovely serve and return relationship with educators, they won't do as well. as children who are there less time, but they do have that really great positive interaction.
BRON: So what does the research about that show?
LIL: Well, it says high quality childcare produces measurable benefits. Better vocabulary, greater social competence, reduced impulsivity. And children from backgrounds where they don't have all of these advantages show the greatest gains when in early childhood they get those opportunities.
BRON: But there's a bit of a warning that comes with that research too, right?
LIL: Well, yes, unfortunately, that's true. So whilst quality childcare helps to optimise development, poor quality childcare can actually produce deficits in language and cognitive function. The quality of early childhood education isn't neutral. Children's brains respond to whatever is in the environment. The brain doesn't have a choice. It actively shapes developmental trajectories for better or for worse.
BRON: So what defines quality then?
LIL: Okay, that's a good question. The research points to three interconnected elements: responsiveness, nurturing relationships between educators and children, thoughtfully designed, stimulating environments that invite exploration, and pedagogically informed practice, based on an understanding of child development.
BRON: So all three of those require professional expertise.
LIL: Precisely. And this is why across the globe, investment in educators is so critical. Every dollar invested in preschool education can return $2 over a child's lifetime. It's a bit economic, that, but it's one of the things that make policy change. That's from the Department of Social Services evidence summary. But that return depends entirely on quality.
BRON: And quality depends on well-trained, well-supported, well-resourced educators.
LIL: Yeah. and educators to understand what's happening in children's developing brains. This is why you and me, Bron, we're doing this series, because educators will really benefit from access to all of this research. The language and the evidence will help you to explain why your work is so important and why it matters so profoundly.
BRON: Because if you're an experienced early childhood educator, you've probably seen all of this in action. You've watched children's capacities unfold through responsive relationships and rich experiences.
LIL: Yes, you already know how responsiveness and great environments work. This research merely validates your professional knowledge with scientific evidence.
BRON: I think we also need to talk about how important it is to focus on the whole child and what holistic development actually means for early childhood education and sustainability.
LIL: You're right, Bron, because whilst we've spoken about the brain as building architecture, children don't learn one thing at a time. They don't separate cognitive development, from language development, from physical development, from social and emotional development, they are all developing at the same time. And as one area moves forward, it impacts the others.
BRON: So we're not talking about separate processes.
LIL: No. As children's language advances and they're able to name their emotions, that impacts on their social and their emotional skills, which advance. Development in different areas is interdependent. So over time, their levels of frustration will be reduced because they're more capable of understanding situations and solving problems. Whereas a young child may become frustrated because their fort keeps falling down, as they integrate their capabilities, They can notice their feelings, collaborate with others, and think through situations. So they are building emotional literacy that supports social competence, empathy, and ultimately, cognitive flexibility and perspective taking. As an educator, if you are aware that these areas of development progress at different rates, you will be more able to support the children in individual areas and across all areas. The brain doesn't organise itself with separate filing systems for motor skills, cognitive skills, and social skills. Instead, it builds integrated networks that support the whole child. Understanding this helps you observe each child more accurately. When you watch a child at play, You can notice where they are in each area of development. So how physically coordinated are they? How good are their problem solving abilities? How constant or labile is their emotional regulation? Does it go up and down? And how competent is their social interaction? We talk about observations of children. but we can't observe one or the other area. The awareness of how they're integrated allows you to set appropriate expectations, neither too high nor too low. The child might have very advanced language skills, but still be developing emotional regulation. Another might excel physically, but need support with collaboration. When you recognise these variations, you can better support each child's development across all areas.
BRON: So let's think about a practical example of what this integrated development might look like in an early childhood setting. In dramatic play, particularly when children are engaged in rich pretend play scenarios outdoors or with natural materials, They might be creating a restaurant using mud pies and leaves as plates and sticks as utensils. At that single play experience, they're simultaneously developing language and narrative skills as they create stories and dialogue. They're practising social negotiation and cooperation as they assign roles and coordinate the play. They're regulating emotions and managing conflicts as inevitable disagreements arise about who does what. They're using symbolic representation and abstract thinking as they transform objects and spaces. The mud becomes food, the log becomes a table, this area becomes our kitchen. They're coordinating physical movements as they act out scenarios, carry materials and arrange spaces, and they're building executive function through planning and sequencing complex play narratives. And they're developing empathy through taking on different roles and different perspectives. It's not scattered or unfocused learning. It's happening in a very meticulous way.
LIL: Yeah, it's the opposite of unfocused. It's integrated development, which is how the brain is designed to build capacity. And research from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare confirms this. High-quality childcare produces benefits across multiple areas. Better vocabulary, greater social competence, reduced impulsivity. We've said this before. These aren't separate achievements. They're interconnected outcomes of integrated development.
BRON: So what we've described is children's normal, integrated development. But you know that Lil and I are very interested in sustainability. And education for sustainability is most successful when it harnesses all of these areas of children's development as well. In our next podcast, we'll expand on this in some detail. Children develop this capacity not through lessons about sustainability, but through experiences that engage them as whole beings with complex, interconnected challenges and opportunities. So the dramatic play in the mud kitchen we discussed earlier works so powerfully for sustainability because it can also engage children physically, socially, emotionally, intellectually, and culturally all at once.
LIL: You, as early childhood professionals, leaders, and educators provide the foundation that makes all this learning possible. And this connects directly to education for sustainability because caring about the planet, making changes to protect environmental systems, working collaboratively to address complex challenges requires every development area.
BRON: When you design environments that invite exploration, provide varied sensory experiences, allow for movement and manipulation, support social interaction, and include elements of beauty and natural complexity, you're supporting holistic development. You're also modelling a way of relating to space and your place that's fundamental to sustainability consciousness. For example, a thoughtfully designed block area with natural materials supports both normal development and sustainability thinking. So the environment itself becomes a teacher integrating your focus on normal development and sustainability awareness. And this brings us back to you as a catalyst for quality education and your influence in creating sustainable futures.
LIL: It does. Your relationships and environments shape neural architecture across multiple systems simultaneously you recognise the extraordinary leverage you have. You're not just teaching skills or managing behaviour or providing care like a lot of people say you are. You're building human beings who will carry the capacities you helped to develop for the rest of their lives. And during the grounding years, these capacities include both the ability to thrive as human beings and the motivation to care for the planet that sustains children's lives but sustains all life.
BRON: So as we bring this all together, the neuroscience of the grounding years, the formation of nature connection and the role of educators as catalysts, the importance of holistic development, what's the overarching message for early childhood educators, Lil?
LIL: I think The overarching message is this. You are not just early childhood educators. You are architect of the future, working during the most powerful development window that exists. Every interaction you have during these grounding years is simultaneously shaping human development and environmental consciousness. These aren't separate responsibilities, they're the same work. The warm response you give to a distressed two-year-old is building neural pathways for emotional regulation that will support that child's capacity to handle complexity and stress for decades. The delight you show when children discover worms in the garden or something else, bugs, is shaping their relationship with living systems in ways that may influence environmental choices they make as adults. The thoughtful environment you create is providing integrated experiences that build capacities for thinking, feeling, relating, and caring that determines what becomes possible across entire lifetimes.
BRON: Like those first seasons when a river red gum establishes the root system that will sustain it for centuries, your work during the grounding years establishes foundations. neural, relational, emotional, environmental, that determine what becomes possible for both human flourishing and planetary sustainability. It's not metaphorical, it's measurable. Research from conception through to age 26 confirms that what you do during these first 2000 days matters more profoundly than any other intervention in human development. And when we add the environmental dimension, the fact that early childhood experiences with nature are amongst the strongest predictors of adult sustainability attitudes and behaviours, the significance becomes even more extraordinary.
LIL: Your work at the intersection where both human potential and planetary stewardship take place. You enable transformation that ripples through generations. You are catalyst for change, during the most critical window when change is most possible. This understanding should fundamentally transform how we value, support, and resource early childhood education. It's not custodial care while parents work. This isn't just preparing children for school. This is the time of the most fundamental biological development with maximum impact.
BRON: It requires knowledge, relational skills, ongoing support, and professional development.
LIL: And it deserves recognition and resources. When we understand that early childhood educators are shaping both human development and sustainability futures, we see this as one of the most important investments a society can make.
BRON: And for all the educators listening, understand that you are the catalyst and that is very empowering. Thank you for joining us for this exploration of why the first 2000 days matter.
LIL: We'd love to hear your thoughts. We'd love to know how you see brain architecture being built in your practice.
BRON: You can connect with us through the Project Sustainability Collective website or share your reflections in the Early Years Sustainability Facebook group. We'll catch you next time on the Project Sustainability Collective podcast.