Episode 26: Luke 24:1-12

Translation: Common English Bible (CEB)

3 Questions:

What word, phrase or image strikes you in this text?

Toward what is God calling you in this text?

What do you find difficult to believe?

Additional texts:

Acts 10:34-43

Isaiah 65:17-25

Psalm 118:1-2, 14-24

1 Corinthians 15:19-26

John 20:1-18

Transcript

00:00:01.25
Kevin Shock
Well, we are back. um

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Nathan Pile
Back, back, back.

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Kevin Shock
that's ah That's a paraphrase of what Jesus said when he was raised from the tomb.

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Kevin Shock
No, I don't.

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Nathan Pile
Hallelujah.

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Kevin Shock
Yeah, you're a little early there, Nathan, but yes, indeed. Indeed. Y'all praise God.

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Nathan Pile
um pretty sure I'm pretty sure God's not going to hold that against me.

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Kevin Shock
ah No, I don't think so either. um But this episode deals with a gospel reading for Easter Sunday, the festival of the resurrection, the primary festival of the Christian faith.

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Kevin Shock
And so um Nathan and I are excited to talk about a reading from Luke today. We're looking at Wow, I, I did not expect that.

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Nathan Pile
Boom. Kicking it up.

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Kevin Shock
um

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Kevin Shock
ah Luke chapter 24 verses 1 through 12 is Luke's account of the ah women coming and finding the tomb empty. um We don't actually hear about Jesus raised at this point, but he is indeed.

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Kevin Shock
ah We're reading from the Common English Bible and our three questions for today. What word, phrase, or image strikes you in this text? Toward what is God calling you in this text?

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Kevin Shock
And what do you find difficult to believe?

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Nathan Pile
Some information about your hosts. We are men married to women in financially stable households, white, firmly in middle age, college and seminary educated.

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Nathan Pile
We work in the Lutheran Church and were born and raised in Western Pennsylvania. All of this affects how we read scripture and discuss it. But none of this makes us better able to read and discuss scripture than anyone else.

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Nathan Pile
ah Kevin and Nathan believe that the wisdom of Scripture is the whole community's compiled interpretation for life with God and one another. So we want to know what you hear and think from your life experience.

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Nathan Pile
Luke, the 24th chapter.

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Nathan Pile
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, the women went to the tomb bringing the fragrant spices they had prepared. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they went in, they didn't find the body of the Lord Jesus.

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Nathan Pile
They didn't know what to make of this. Suddenly two men were standing beside them in gleaming bright clothing. The women were frightened and bowed their faces toward the ground.

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Nathan Pile
But the men said to them, Why do you look for the living among the dead? He isn't here, but has been raised. remember What he told you while you were still while he was still in Galilee, that the human one must be handed over to sinners, be crucified, and on the third day rise again.

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Nathan Pile
Then they remembered his words. When they returned from the tomb, they reported all these things to the eleven and all the others. It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them who told these things to the apostles.

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Nathan Pile
Their words struck the apostles as nonsense, and they didn't believe the women. But Peter ran to the tomb. When he bent over to look inside, he saw only the linen cloth.

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Nathan Pile
Then he returned home, wondering what had happened.

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Nathan Pile
If you're meeting with a group, you can pause the podcast now and engage the questions on your own. Kevin? What word, phrase, or image strikes you in this text?

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Kevin Shock
ah There are lots of things. um One being that ah the women remember the words of Jesus that he said he, well, I don't know exactly, well, that he would be handed over to sinners, be crucified, and on the third day rise again. I assume that those are the words that they remember.

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Kevin Shock
ah Because there was there was lots of issue in many of the Gospels, but certainly in the Gospel according to Mark, of the men not believing his words when he said those things.

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Nathan Pile
Yeah.

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Kevin Shock
um So yeah, that's something that sticks out at me. I guess I'll just stick with that. That's something that sticks out at me, that the women the women are the ones that remember his words.

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Nathan Pile
Hmm.

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Kevin Shock
um And in fact, even the the women remember his words and go and tell the men what they have witnessed, I the men still do not remember his words or at least do not still do not believe the words that he spoke.

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Nathan Pile
Yeah.

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Kevin Shock
Yeah.

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Nathan Pile
Yeah. So continuing a ah problem that happens throughout those,

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Kevin Shock
Yeah.

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Nathan Pile
those gospel readings.

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Kevin Shock
Mm hmm.

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Nathan Pile
Yeah. Yeah. Um, ah for me, I'll be honest. This is the first time I've read Luke's account in the common English Bible.

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Nathan Pile
Um,

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Kevin Shock
That's part of the reason why I wanted us to read it.

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Nathan Pile
which Which was refreshing to me.

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Kevin Shock
Hmm.

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Nathan Pile
um But also, again, um it's pretty in your face that the apostles don't get it

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Kevin Shock
Hmm.

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Nathan Pile
ah At least the 12 or the 11 here and the women do. But I think the place that, that caught me was the very end again.

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Nathan Pile
and dear old Peter, um not believing the women um running to the tomb, bending over, looking inside, finding only the linen cloth, returning home.

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Nathan Pile
But that phrase that's, that caught me was wondering what had happened. Yeah.

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Nathan Pile
And the and to me, this is the Easter miracle, um not just that Jesus is raised. Absolutely, it's that. But that um the next part of the story, like we can we as human beings can understand situations where we question, what did I just experience? What did I see? What's what's going on?

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Nathan Pile
But it's obvious here um so it's it's obvious here that that Peter is is is you and me. you know Having the questions of of what does this mystery of Jesus' empty tomb mean and have meaning.

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Nathan Pile
um Again, the we, the reader, have the context of having read over and over again Jesus telling us what's going to happen, and we can remember it.

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Nathan Pile
But the disciples who are living it out in the moment haven't yet been able to piece it together. And so this moment of still this great mystery of, boy, the confusion, the chaos in their lives, all of that kind of living on the very edge here for Peter, now wondering what has happened here? And another Sunday we'll hear Peter um

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Nathan Pile
and and you know another Sunday will here we'll hear the next piece of this uh and so but for a week we're left with you know the questions that these disciples are are um are asking and and peter has run to the tomb to get some kind of clarity and and still doesn't have any clarity um seeking that desire of tell us what's going on god um

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Nathan Pile
that we have as human beings, those questions that we ask God, um, in, in the mumbles, um, in, in our grief and in our sadness, um,

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Nathan Pile
those questions are are still present here for Peter, and trying to assess it, even though there are some who remember the words, um, the women who remember the words, um,

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Nathan Pile
but we're not were not not listening to them. And so instead we're going to live with these questions for another week. um and and then And then Jesus is going to start appearing here. And so that appearance is going to change the disciples from being um questioning and lost. And it's going to,

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Nathan Pile
inspire their discipleship so much so that it changes the face of our planet um in big ways so um but that's that's not yet this week this yeah week we're still living in the tension of what the heck's going on um so

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Kevin Shock
Right, right, yeah, and that just makes me think, Nathan, in the and the narrative itself, like you said, we we have all the words leading up to it, and frankly, we're

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Kevin Shock
Even even with all the gospel leading up to it We have probably before we read a gospel been told by someone else that Jesus died and was raised um So this is just something that we have come to know as part of the story.

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Nathan Pile
Yeah. Sure.

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Kevin Shock
We're not astonished by it um We don't

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Nathan Pile
No. and and And to be truly honest, there are probably times, even as disciples of Christ, we say to ourselves, could the resurrection really happen?

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Kevin Shock
Well

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Nathan Pile
Like, even having read the God, like, not to just say these these disciples were complete, like, losers.

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Kevin Shock
No, no, no.

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Nathan Pile
Because we as as Christians today can still that self-doubt, that self-questioning, we could even say today, and and some of us, I know I have, and you know is this really a possibility? you know get Can the creator of the world have done this thing?

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Nathan Pile
um you know so we can ask questions of a story that we've been told and then read the passage of. So it's not too far of a stretch to to imagine even the people who lived with Jesus, who Jesus told a couple of times over and over that they too would have those questions.

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Kevin Shock
yeah yeah well what what you say and yeah what what I what I wanted to get to is that they are still very much in this story we read this story and we know what has happened for them in the moment they were still somewhere between the death and the resurrection they were still grieving they had not seen him yet um

00:11:49.79
Kevin Shock
they had been, you know, the women had been told by these strange, holy men. um but, um, yeah, but well, and frankly, the women did believe, or I mean, they believed something they, they believed enough to go and tell, tell the others, uh, that something was going on.

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Nathan Pile
Right.

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Kevin Shock
Um, I mean, the other thing, the other nuances that we don't, that they didn't get that we do get because we've read the story is, um I mean, something that jumps out at me here is that the men in the tomb were standing beside them in gleaming bright clothing.

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Kevin Shock
ah To me, that sounds like the transfiguration.

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Kevin Shock
and um when Jesus is on the mountaintop with when appears on the mountaintop with Moses and Elijah but none of the women were up there Peter James and John were up there so i wonder if it would have been any different if Peter James and John had been in the tomb um and had seen that gleaming bright clothing that they would have recognized oh something something big is happening here um But, yeah, but that doesn't, I mean, to speculate that doesn't really help because it wasn't the men who were at the tomb.

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Kevin Shock
It was the women who went to the tomb.

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Nathan Pile
Right. um This is a big question, Kevin.

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Kevin Shock
So there I think there are connections all around, but there are connections that were still those connections were still being made in real time as this story was unfolding.

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Kevin Shock
Yeah.

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Nathan Pile
Why?

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Kevin Shock
I don't know.

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Nathan Pile
Why as a As a culture and as people, have we discounted others' witness

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Nathan Pile
that we have to see it for ourselves?

00:14:04.35
Kevin Shock
Hmm. No, I don't know.

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Nathan Pile
and and And specifically here, obviously, it's the women. So it's not just like one woman has shown up. Our passage tells us there's a lot of them. They're all there.

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Nathan Pile
They've all gone to to complete the the um burial ceremony.

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Kevin Shock
Right.

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Nathan Pile
And by culture, men didn't do this kind of thing.

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Kevin Shock
Mm

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Nathan Pile
um At least in Luke's communities, men didn't do this kind of thing.

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Kevin Shock
hmm.

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Nathan Pile
John, I think we get a little bit of... um

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Nathan Pile
What's his face? Simeon. Is it Simeon? Who's, um, who's the guy that helps pull him down and put them in the tomb.

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Kevin Shock
Oh, who? Joseph of Arimathea.

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Nathan Pile
Joseph. There it is. I'm Arimathea. I knew it wasn't Simeon.

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Kevin Shock
Yeah.

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Nathan Pile
Um, the, anyway, so in Luke's community, only the, this is, this is, um, ladies work, which again is very, uh,

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Nathan Pile
Like, I wish I could say we've outgrown this, but that's not true. um

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Kevin Shock
Mm-mm.

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Nathan Pile
I heard a conversation of somebody saying at our young adult retreat, that's pink work and that's blue work. And I was like, what does that mean?

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Kevin Shock
Oh.

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Nathan Pile
and And it was, that's ladies work and men's work. And I was like, boy, we still haven't gotten away from, guess it's, it's, they're not saying

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Kevin Shock
Were they saying it ironically? Hmm.

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Nathan Pile
No, no, they were saying it, that that they were telling a story about one of their siblings and, um, and the sibling was saying that that's pink work and that's blue work, um, of things that were, was happening in, in, um, the sibling's household kind of thing.

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Nathan Pile
Anyway, like we're, we, we still have these, um, society structures that are, um, um,

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Kevin Shock
Hmm.

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Nathan Pile
old and and not not inclusive not not um realistic in in what the duties are um so so that's in and of itself um a piece here uh but there is a like I'm

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Nathan Pile
this passage that, that these women have come back and told a story, told the, told the, what they've seen and heard what they've witnessed.

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Nathan Pile
um And the thing that we're told is that the disciples didn't listen to them, didn't believe them. um And Peter then had to go run to the tomb himself.

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Nathan Pile
um And so like,

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Nathan Pile
we think of ourselves as in 2025 as having evolved and changed from the,

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Nathan Pile
the times of the stone age, but there's still stone age wiring in our human bodies, I guess, or programming, maybe not so much wiring.

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Nathan Pile
there's There's still stone age, um ideas or programming in our systems that we haven't been able to break ourselves from and and judgments about one another. And so as I read this, I was just kind of like, ah guess in some ways, yes, it was a fresh reading at the same times. It was kind of like, oh boy, we still have this problem, right?

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Nathan Pile
That we don't believe um that men have a problem believing women.

00:17:53.80
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

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Nathan Pile
and and and that And that can do that can go, it's it's it's men typically that have the problem, but it can also be people of other genders that we also, um like, so that this becomes ah more than just one gender that we have a problem listening to.

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Kevin Shock
Yeah, well.

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Kevin Shock
Mm hmm.

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Kevin Shock
Mm hmm.

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Nathan Pile
But I don't know if I've read a scripture passage that has put it so blatantly boom in front of us.

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Kevin Shock
Yeah, no, this one certainly does. Yeah, there's a, this, this addresses both the difficulty and trusting and the, and how that plays out in a, um, in gender differences.

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Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:18:44.99
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

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Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:18:49.76
Kevin Shock
Okay. Well, should we look at it a second time?

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Nathan Pile
We shall.

00:18:54.28
Kevin Shock
I'm glad I didn't have to answer your why question because you kind of unpacked it yourself.

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Nathan Pile
We shall.

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Kevin Shock
Right.

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Nathan Pile
Yeah, yeah no I yeah was it was more of a, like it was just it's it's there, it's in this passage.

00:19:01.04
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

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Nathan Pile
I don't think we can, as as two men, we have to recognize the

00:19:04.83
Kevin Shock
right

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Nathan Pile
the flaws of our system and the um and the prejudice that you and I have benefited from.

00:19:25.66
Kevin Shock
sure Well,.... yeah, yes I I would argue

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Nathan Pile
you him and What are you hemming and hawing about? Oh,

00:19:37.65
Kevin Shock
I would argue that we have not benefited from it in the sense that everyone has not benefited from it.

00:19:44.46
Nathan Pile
oh I was specifically saying that you and I benefit from it.

00:19:48.37
Kevin Shock
Yeah, but what I'm saying is, I think... I think I think our our lives, your and my life, would be better if this flaw in the system did not exist.

00:20:04.13
Kevin Shock
That's what I'm saying.

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Nathan Pile
Oh, sure.

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Kevin Shock
that that

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Nathan Pile
Sure.

00:20:07.23
Kevin Shock
That we we have not benefited from it. but

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Nathan Pile
Well, but but in but in many ways, I guess where I say that I see the benefit is when you and I say something, we've had the benefit that most people believe and listen to us as white and male as white men.

00:20:12.08
Kevin Shock
um Or maybe in the short term.

00:20:21.43
Kevin Shock
oh yeah Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I I I do agree with that. I do agree with that. um Yes, ah I agree with that.

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Nathan Pile
That's what I meant by prejudice, that that that we've benefited from prejudice.

00:20:32.86
Kevin Shock
No.

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Nathan Pile
our own, but like as white men, when you and I have said something, people typically believe us. And so it's hard for me to recognize that other people don't have that same experience, that when they speak, their words are not taken and trusted.

00:20:46.05
Kevin Shock
Yeah, yeah.

00:20:51.32
Kevin Shock
Right, right. Yes, yes. No, I, yes, I acknowledge that. I acknowledge that and I, and yes, and that is absolutely true.

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Nathan Pile
So, no, I appreciate your piece piece that if we would get past it, it would be a better world.

00:21:01.42
Kevin Shock
I'm, yeah, I'm simply arguing for like in the structure in which you and i move the church.

00:21:13.98
Kevin Shock
I think we would be in a better position now if we had learned to pay attention to women and other marginalized people a long, long time ago.

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Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:21:24.94
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

00:21:24.98
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:21:25.79
Kevin Shock
Yeah. um

00:21:30.28
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Okay. Well, I, part of that too, I just quickly, I, last week I just finished reading um the updated edition of How to Be an Anti-racist by Ibram X. Kendi.

00:21:44.74
Kevin Shock
And um man, one thing I love about that book is, the updated edition is that he goes back and critiques his own writing and talks about the ways in which his thinking has grown since he first wrote the book, which is only like, you know, five years ago, um, or, you know, be between the two, but the first and the updated edition.

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Nathan Pile
Right

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Nathan Pile
First publication in the updated edition.

00:22:14.41
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:15.38
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:22:15.77
Kevin Shock
Um, But I think the thing that's still ringing in my head is that um every everyone, every human being benefits from anti-racist work because anti-racist work inherently moves us all toward justice.

00:22:30.12
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

00:22:35.59
Kevin Shock
So it's, that I think that there's an idea that anti-racist work um will

00:22:45.22
Kevin Shock
ah hurt people who are in privileged positions. But his his hypothesis is that it will ultimately help everybody.

00:22:57.23
Kevin Shock
and I And I think that he had a very good argument, and I think that that's very true. Yeah. So I think that's what's ringing in my head when you use that word benefit.

00:23:08.75
Kevin Shock
um Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, yes, I, yes, you're right.

00:23:11.16
Nathan Pile
Okay. All

00:23:12.98
Kevin Shock
We have a privilege and, ah and perhaps having a privilege we did not deserve to have but did not help us in the long run.

00:23:21.40
Nathan Pile
right. All right.

00:23:22.87
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Okay. All right. Second time through. From Luke 24. very early in the morning on the first day of the week the women went to the tomb bringing the fragrant spices they had prepared they found the stone rolled away from the tomb but when they went in they didn't find the body of the lord Jesus they didn't know what to make of this suddenly two men were standing beside them in gleaming bright clothing the women were frightened and bowed their faces bowed their faces toward the ground but the men said to them

00:23:53.61
Kevin Shock
why do you look for the living among the dead key and here but he has been raised. Remember what he told you while he was still in Galilee, that the human one must be handed over to sinners, be crucified, and on the third day rise again.

00:24:08.58
Kevin Shock
Then they remembered his words. When they had returned from the tomb, they reported all these things to the eleven and all the others. It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them who told these things to the apostles.

00:24:23.81
Kevin Shock
Their words struck the apostles as nonsense. Nathan, toward what is you in this text? when he bent over to look inside he only saw the linen cloth then he returned home wondering what had happened

00:24:38.81
Kevin Shock
Nathan toward what is god calling you in this text

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Nathan Pile
As you read it through, the thing that popped off the page to me was a, the reminder of what a um what a mess the last couple of days would have been for these disciples and the women who were with them.

00:25:04.86
Kevin Shock
Mm.

00:25:06.52
Nathan Pile
They had had the Passover thought they were moving in good directions. Jesus, you know, ah just a few days before that had had this triumphal entry into Jerusalem where they could only think good things were were happening.

00:25:23.94
Nathan Pile
Um, uh, because they were human and only focused on human things and were and constantly forgetting that Jesus said bad things were coming. Um, but they were only thinking about the good things. They have this great entrance into Jerusalem.

00:25:39.54
Nathan Pile
They have this Passover meal where they feel, um, closer to one another and closer to, to their rabbi, to their teacher. Um, And then um everything falls apart very, very quickly.

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Nathan Pile
um Jesus is arrested. Jesus is tried. Jesus is killed. um And so the disciples and the the women would have been hiding in fear.

00:26:05.24
Nathan Pile
And so that's all of the pre thing. And so the thing that sticks out to me um or what I feel called to is that these women still show up.

00:26:17.94
Nathan Pile
Like, out of tradition, out of a love for their teacher, even if it means that they might get some ridicule at the tomb by the by the Roman soldiers who are there, though they're not mentioned in this text, they're mentioned in other places,

00:26:38.45
Kevin Shock
Mm

00:26:38.61
Nathan Pile
um

00:26:38.67
Kevin Shock
hmm.

00:26:42.37
Nathan Pile
there they they could be ridiculed. They still show up.

00:26:49.43
Nathan Pile
And so how do we, how do I show up? How do I, as a follower of Christ, show up? Whether it be out of tradition, ah faithfulness to the tradition,

00:27:05.17
Nathan Pile
or um or faithfulness to hope. Because they don't, they're they're not really hoping until after this in time with ah these people.

00:27:18.91
Nathan Pile
these gleaming white um messengers kind of thing. but But how do I show up? How do I um

00:27:33.55
Nathan Pile
in the midst of what could seem like ah just be better to stay at home. I'm not going to have to deal with um like the teacher's dead and I can, I can have my grief and I can be grieving, but do I really need to show up and, and make the body smell good?

00:27:52.98
Nathan Pile
Yes. From, from Hebrew tradition, that's, that's part of the, the, of the tradition. But there's still a some sense of obligation, maybe as the teacher as well.

00:28:03.83
Nathan Pile
I can only hope that, the other things would drive me to show up.

00:28:12.59
Nathan Pile
So that idea of showing up kind of struck me as you were, as you were reading it that second time through of, of their willingness to be there, to, to have done the work,

00:28:23.26
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:28:23.66
Nathan Pile
to to have prepared the the spices and and the fragrance to kind of do that, but then to package it up, gather it up, and head out in that early morning to to do the work of burial in spite of um any dishonor that might go with it.

00:28:52.62
Nathan Pile
because the person that they're going to um make the burial um parts for was disgraced and killed on a cross ah in a very public way.

00:29:09.39
Nathan Pile
So like the intention was to humiliate Jesus and Jesus' followers.

00:29:19.39
Nathan Pile
so but again their their the strength their strength to show up is is powerful and so how how might I as a disciple in 2025 continue to show up

00:29:20.73
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

00:29:37.35
Kevin Shock
Yeah, it's, um, they're faithful in the in a way that the men are not.

00:29:43.41
Nathan Pile
yeah how about you my friend

00:29:45.44
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm. Hmm.

00:29:48.70
Nathan Pile
toward what is God calling you in this passage?

00:29:49.26
Kevin Shock
Um, I, yeah, I, I think that it has,

00:29:59.10
Kevin Shock
I think that it has something to do with believing what people say, um taking people at their word.

00:30:04.92
Nathan Pile
Hmm. Hmm.

00:30:06.90
Kevin Shock
Uh, well, maybe that's, maybe that's it. Maybe it's just taking people at their word. I, um, I find myself...

00:30:20.66
Kevin Shock
Well, no, I shouldn't ah shouldn't say taking people at their word in general. um

00:30:32.68
Kevin Shock
ah be- Because, oh my goodness, this is, there's a lot unpacking in my head right now. ah This is something that I I have been thinking a lot lately because I I tend not to believe, not to take people at their word all the time. ah not Not nearly as much as I used to because I feel like there have been more and more examples of both in broader culture and in my own kind of either interactions with people or experiences that I've seen with other people ah where I don't I don't think you can always take people with their word. I think that I've become a little more suspicious because I've seen the way that people and especially people in power

00:31:25.65
Kevin Shock
manipulate a message in order to get what they want. Um, and so I think, I think it does have something to do with being called to take people at their word, um, to let that be the default, but to be very aware if it's something that will result in their own benefit.

00:31:52.63
Kevin Shock
Um, if they're trying to spin a story or share information that doesn't seem doesn't seem quite right, but doesn't seem quite right, and also ah will will work in their favor, then I'm concerned about that.

00:32:12.46
Kevin Shock
The women, I guess what I'm trying to say here is the women don't have anything to gain by going and telling the men this story.

00:32:17.63
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:32:20.58
Kevin Shock
I mean, if it if it weren't a true story. They, yeah, they wouldn't, they wouldn't have anything to gain by doing that.

00:32:25.22
Nathan Pile
Right.

00:32:29.93
Kevin Shock
I mean, in fact, they take great risk at telling the story, I think, because the men see them as being nonsensical. Um, there's, there's a judgment that goes along with them actually bearing witness to what they've seen, uh, and heard.

00:32:40.89
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:32:48.50
Kevin Shock
Um,

00:32:51.46
Kevin Shock
Yeah, but I think that there are, I think that people that are marginalized, people who do not hold great privilege or power in this world, when they tell me something, I need to believe it.

00:33:04.05
Kevin Shock
I need to trust that it's true. Especially if it has to do with their own experience, their own life, things like that. Yeah.

00:33:15.53
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:33:18.62
Nathan Pile
Well, and and how do we...

00:33:25.98
Nathan Pile
how we how do we get there? Because I think it's a it's a huge valid point in our world today that we're we're not very good about...

00:33:37.28
Nathan Pile
listening to the other's experience again we want to generalize we want to put people in groups we want to make judgments um how do we how do we hear someone sharing their experience um and be able to to say um boy that's unlike anything I've ever experienced but

00:33:42.81
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:33:45.22
Kevin Shock
hey

00:34:03.92
Nathan Pile
What in a, you know, it's obviously formed who you are. um

00:34:10.32
Nathan Pile
Now, can we, can we really hear that from the other person? Reminds me a little bit of um

00:34:21.17
Nathan Pile
Mr. Rogers and the quote that something along lines, when you hear somebody's story, if you listen long enough, it's hard not to love them, you know, kind of a thing.

00:34:32.23
Nathan Pile
And so how quickly we can become that we just make a judgment about someone and we don't we're not listening to their story anymore.

00:34:42.47
Kevin Shock
Right, right.

00:34:43.33
Nathan Pile
And so, you know, here the disciples, no one would steal Jesus. you know what What? Your story is ludicrous. They just, they won't even hear um the words that these women share.

00:35:00.69
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:35:01.94
Nathan Pile
So, and that we do the same thing still today to each other, um whether we're in the church or not in the church, like we still do this to each other.

00:35:08.19
Kevin Shock
ye

00:35:12.82
Nathan Pile
We're not listening to the whole, their whole experience or their whole story. Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:23.17
Kevin Shock
Yeah, I think it's important that um people's voices are lifted up, especially the ones that don't have a platform.

00:35:35.21
Kevin Shock
I think that sometimes I think that the ones that have a platform, their, uh, their voices need to be hindered a little bit more. But yeah.

00:35:43.46
Nathan Pile
Right.

00:35:48.16
Kevin Shock
Well, I mean, in this this conversation just quickly reminds me of our conversation around the Good Friday text, too, that um but part of what

00:35:48.88
Nathan Pile
All right.

00:35:56.61
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

00:36:00.67
Kevin Shock
Jesus did coming into the world was make people see the things that they had not seen and ponder the things that they had not heard before. Yeah.

00:36:12.03
Nathan Pile
Yeah. Yeah.

00:36:14.49
Kevin Shock
That to me is directly related to lifting up the voice of people whose voices are not heard. Yeah.

00:36:21.86
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:36:23.96
Kevin Shock
Okay. A third time.

00:36:26.35
Nathan Pile
Third time through.

00:36:27.96
Kevin Shock
Yep.

00:36:34.04
Nathan Pile
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, the women went to the tomb, bringing the fragrant spices they had prepared.

00:36:41.91
Nathan Pile
They found the stone rolled away from the tomb. And when they went in, they didn't find the body of the Lord Jesus. They didn't know what to make of this. Suddenly two men were standing beside them in gleaming bright clothing.

00:36:55.76
Nathan Pile
The women were frightened and bowed their faces toward the ground. But the men said to them, Why do you look for the living among the dead? He isn't here, but has been raised.

00:37:09.61
Nathan Pile
Remember what he told you while he was still in Galilee, that the human one must be handed over to sinners, be crucified, on and on the third day rise again.

00:37:21.56
Nathan Pile
Then they remembered his words. When they returned to the tomb from the tomb, they reported all these things to the eleven and all the others. was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with whom...

00:37:39.16
Nathan Pile
with them who told these things to the apostles. Their words struck the apostles as nonsense, and they didn't believe the women. But Peter ran to the tomb.

00:37:50.69
Nathan Pile
When he had bent over to look inside, he saw only the linen cloth. Then he returned home, wondering what had happened.

00:38:01.28
Nathan Pile
Kevin, what do you find difficult to believe?

00:38:09.60
Kevin Shock
I I can pretty definitively say not the resurrection I I I think it's because I'm not sure I don't know exactly why but I don't I don't have an issue believing the resurrection and And I think it's because I've experienced miracles on some level And have had the gift of trust given to me that God can do whatever God wants to do and needs to do.

00:38:47.40
Kevin Shock
um So I think the thing that I have trouble believing is when people do not um

00:38:56.28
Kevin Shock
do not believe as easily. ah And i'm not I'm not just talking about the resurrection. I'm talking about when maybe, and maybe this is to... just ah an indictment of me in my last answer to when people are inherently suspicious.

00:39:15.49
Kevin Shock
ah I understand why the apostles

00:39:25.20
Kevin Shock
did not like would would have would have found it hard to believe that what the women was saying was true the thing that I think that is unnecessary or that troubles me is that they

00:39:30.77
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

00:39:41.42
Kevin Shock
they don't question them they don't wonder about it they just immediately dismiss the word of their words as nonsense and that's it that's the end of it

00:39:48.83
Nathan Pile
Hmm. Hmm.

00:39:54.24
Kevin Shock
Peter, for some reason, has some kinds of questions, and so goes to the tomb to see sea for himself. But um I I think when

00:40:09.13
Kevin Shock
when people are suspicious of things, when they're suspicious of people, I I find that hard to... like I just find myself wondering why.

00:40:21.32
Kevin Shock
You know? you know Who, like what, what experience have you had that is making you so suspicious of this stuff?

00:40:35.93
Kevin Shock
That's something that I wonder.

00:40:41.92
Kevin Shock
And so, yeah, I mean, maybe that's, maybe that's a, a, I'm not really answering the question, but I, I I'm I'm flabbergasted sometimes whenever people

00:40:57.79
Kevin Shock
just dismiss other people.

00:41:01.42
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Especially when people are talking about their own experience, their own witness, the things that they have themselves have witnessed.

00:41:09.40
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:41:09.71
Kevin Shock
And someone someone who has no exposure to any of it says, nah, that's not true.

00:41:15.83
Nathan Pile
Right. Right.

00:41:18.40
Kevin Shock
ah like How do you know? Someone just told you it was true. So that's kind of where I am. What about you, Nathan? What do you find difficult to believe?

00:41:30.78
Nathan Pile
Um, mine's similar. Uh, I would have a little bit of a, um, ah So my part of this is like, am one that like, I'm very human.

00:41:46.07
Nathan Pile
I want my own experience of what you're saying, what you've experienced.

00:41:50.13
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:41:50.60
Nathan Pile
And you said, I also would like to have my own. If that makes, you know, if that makes sense, not that I'm discounting your part of your part of it

00:42:03.84
Nathan Pile
I I'm a human being that values my my own experiences, right? And so, you know, i've I have sat with people and they have told me um their experiences of of the holy that I have a rough time referencing.

00:42:25.71
Nathan Pile
because I've not had something similar.

00:42:26.61
Kevin Shock
Mm.

00:42:27.99
Nathan Pile
Do I believe that they fully experienced something? Absolutely. By the way that they tell the story, by the way that they share it with passion and and the detail of which they're telling, like, absolutely it's there.

00:42:42.47
Nathan Pile
um The thing

00:42:47.06
Nathan Pile
um the thing that I find difficult is, where you know, where's mine, God?

00:42:54.63
Kevin Shock
Mm. Mm.

00:42:56.84
Nathan Pile
Um, uh, like how there, there, I would like to have my gleaming white messenger moment, please.

00:42:57.36
Kevin Shock
Mm hmm. There

00:43:08.88
Nathan Pile
Um, you know, you know, that, that would like just help re like, um,

00:43:09.30
Kevin Shock
ah ah there we go.

00:43:16.73
Nathan Pile
you know, like it's obvious for these women that this experience has changed them and they come back. And, and for all of the reasons that you articulated earlier, like there's no reason for them to tell this unless this is what, what they've experienced.

00:43:31.91
Nathan Pile
um

00:43:32.66
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:43:32.81
Nathan Pile
Cause they're, cause the guys, unfortunately are going to treat them terribly because the guys haven't had the experience. And so um and they haven't seen the, there the, the,

00:43:43.25
Nathan Pile
the

00:43:46.42
Nathan Pile
they're being told the story, but they want to see the story. And so the thing for me, again, of what I find difficult to believe is where's my part of the story.

00:43:51.52
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:43:58.50
Nathan Pile
Let me see what is being witnessed here. Um, and let me have that experience for myself. And so the,

00:44:11.94
Nathan Pile
Because ah in my mind, there again, there's no doubt that this resurrection happens. But for me, the way that that it makes the most sense is because of the actions of the women and the disciples in these days after, something has changed in them.

00:44:27.76
Nathan Pile
So radically different that it can only be but that Jesus, Jesus is raised.

00:44:37.97
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:44:38.27
Nathan Pile
And now not only do they have they heard the message, but they have come to believe it so wholeheartedly that nothing will get in the way of them proclaiming the message moving forward.

00:44:51.39
Nathan Pile
um Not persecution, not fear, like nothing gets in their way.

00:44:58.06
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:44:59.17
Nathan Pile
um And so

00:45:04.79
Nathan Pile
the pay the place where this is difficult, for me is that idea of like, I just want mine.

00:45:13.78
Kevin Shock
Mmm. Mmm.

00:45:14.70
Nathan Pile
I just want, I just want, I want my experience of gleaming, gleaming white messengers.

00:45:16.84
Kevin Shock
Okay.

00:45:22.19
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:45:22.25
Nathan Pile
um You know, there's, I don't know how long I've talked about in in my own life of, know, it'd be great if God just dropped a big flashing arrow, then I would know which way to go. um You know, and and so again, that that's all, that's all wrapped up in that, this for me.

00:45:39.05
Nathan Pile
um

00:45:42.33
Nathan Pile
And so, again, I don't have any questions ah about the resurrection. um

00:45:54.82
Nathan Pile
But the difficult- the difficulty for me is is suppressing my own desire to have it have my own my own experience.

00:46:06.29
Nathan Pile
Because in our culture, experience...

00:46:06.90
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

00:46:12.39
Nathan Pile
with like experience wins out right now. When we talk, when you talk to other human beings, it's, it's about what I've experienced. And so, um,

00:46:25.85
Nathan Pile
it's, it's the thing that helps us make our decisions right now, our, our gut instincts or whatever.

00:46:29.17
Kevin Shock
yeah

00:46:31.58
Nathan Pile
Um, and so like, I want to be able to say, God bless you. Um,

00:46:38.72
Kevin Shock
Oh, thanks. I thought I muted for that, but I accidentally muted.

00:46:44.12
Nathan Pile
um

00:46:47.07
Nathan Pile
I want to be able to say that I trust without those pieces. But, you know, again, as I sat with family members who have told shared stories of encounters with the Holy, like in the back of my head, there's still that nagging piece of what an amazing ah story, what an amazing experience they're sharing with me where, you know, why don't I get one of those?

00:47:17.25
Nathan Pile
Um, and it's not that I, it's not that I question God, like God where's mine?

00:47:17.79
Kevin Shock
Mm.

00:47:26.07
Nathan Pile
It's, it's, there's just something, um, there's something for me here in, in the,

00:47:36.33
Nathan Pile
in the relationship with God that I, that I too wish to be a part of. Um, uh, so, and, and, and I think,

00:47:53.94
Nathan Pile
well, I, I just would say I'm very human in in all of those ways. Like that, that feels like a very human answer to me. And is that we would say, Oh, we we want our own, we want our own experience of this.

00:48:08.71
Nathan Pile
Give us, give us that experience. And then we'll, we'll believe you, God. And so there's, to me, this is a very,

00:48:19.87
Nathan Pile
a very human response to being able to like, help me believe God, help me have this experience so that I might be able to come to believe. Um,

00:48:31.69
Nathan Pile
and you know, Jesus tells us in scripture that, you know, blessed are those who have been able to come to believe that have not seen. Um, and so, you know, I've come to be able to believe without having seen, um,

00:48:42.29
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

00:48:52.35
Nathan Pile
But it doesn't mean that I don't wrestle with that. Boy, I would like to be able to see and believe.

00:48:59.49
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Hmm.

00:49:02.71
Nathan Pile
ah

00:49:05.72
Nathan Pile
so

00:49:09.50
Kevin Shock
Interesting yeah, I mean that I one thing I found myself wondering

00:49:17.10
Kevin Shock
When you were talking about um you know people telling you their experiences with the holy and wondering why can't I have my own um I wonder in what regard that is That that it that does become your experience so So you're not the first hand witness, but you're the second hand witness.

00:49:39.69
Nathan Pile
Sure. oh Oh, yeah.

00:49:45.07
Nathan Pile
Yeah, sure.

00:49:46.36
Kevin Shock
and And really, the whole body of Christ, the whole um the whole of the people of the Christian faith, aside from a very small number, are second hand witnesses and beyond.

00:50:06.43
Nathan Pile
yeah Yeah, that's a beautiful way of of articulating that.

00:50:07.93
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

00:50:11.98
Nathan Pile
There's a richness to that of the being able to hear the story as a second or third or fourth hand experience.

00:50:17.13
Kevin Shock
yeah yeah

00:50:21.55
Nathan Pile
That that is that is still an experience of the holy, even though it's not mine.

00:50:31.27
Kevin Shock
yeah it brings to mind for me um one time I I was um but when I was pastoring in a congregation ah there was a person in that congregation who had ah just chronic health issues.

00:50:47.74
Kevin Shock
I mean, and chronic in the sense that like they, you know, it seemed like they would get one thing resolved and then something else would pop up.

00:50:53.88
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

00:50:54.54
Kevin Shock
Um, and, and like, there were just lots of, lots of things that doctors couldn't really give her an answer for. it Well, and in fact, I think that, I think that probably there were some doctors who had trouble believing her story.

00:51:10.55
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

00:51:11.46
Kevin Shock
story um

00:51:13.05
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

00:51:14.58
Kevin Shock
that you know she would she would complain of a pain or of something that was going on and they would do all these diagnostic tests and say, well, we're we're not finding anything. Well, okay, you're not finding anything, but I'm still in pain.

00:51:29.26
Nathan Pile
Right.

00:51:30.22
Kevin Shock
um

00:51:31.52
Nathan Pile
Doesn't take away from my experience.

00:51:33.23
Kevin Shock
Right, yeah, yeah.

00:51:34.22
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:51:34.80
Kevin Shock
but But one time that she was you know in the hospital for another battery of tests, they they had they had done a diagnosis that they were feeling pretty certain about, things like that.

00:51:48.81
Kevin Shock
um I went in to visit her and and did the a did a rite for the laying on of hands and anointing.

00:52:02.09
Kevin Shock
And um

00:52:05.68
Kevin Shock
she came to church the next week and said,

00:52:10.52
Kevin Shock
They did more tests and they couldn't find that thing that they found before.

00:52:22.06
Kevin Shock
And in her mind, she had been healed. God had healed her. And...

00:52:33.97
Kevin Shock
I'll you know I'll be honest, in in that moment, I think that was ah and think that was a learning for me. um

00:52:44.24
Kevin Shock
I I just believed it too, because she believed it so strongly.

00:52:51.34
Nathan Pile
Yeah. Yeah.

00:52:53.32
Kevin Shock
like you know I could have I think I think Kevin at one point would have said, Well, maybe they made a mistake the first time. yeah ah

00:53:01.56
Nathan Pile
Right. Sure.

00:53:03.28
Kevin Shock
You know, well, doctors, doctors don't always get it right. Well, I'm you know, I'm glad that they didn't find it again. You know, I mean, there could have been all kinds of ways I could have responded. But when she told me that she believed she had been healed and she believed in the power of prayer and the power of anointing.

00:53:23.85
Kevin Shock
Like that's that's my. that's my That's my profession. So for me to say anything that would lend to, well, I don't know if I believe it, would not have made sense in the moment.

00:53:38.78
Nathan Pile
Sure.

00:53:38.97
Kevin Shock
if I If I didn't believe it, why would I have even gone to do it?

00:53:39.77
Nathan Pile
Sure.

00:53:44.86
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:53:46.81
Kevin Shock
Now, that's not to say that I believe that anytime I go into a hospital room and lay my hands on for prayer and anoint someone, that I believe that there's going to be a miraculous healing. i don't know No, no.

00:53:59.13
Kevin Shock
But I believe enough that it's worth giving it a shot.

00:54:04.98
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

00:54:06.51
Kevin Shock
And I think that that's...

00:54:09.84
Kevin Shock
maybe I don't know, maybe there's something in that too for what what trust, what belief actually, I what what what trust is, I think for me. Because I think that that's what I think that's what that word believe in this reading actually means.

00:54:24.76
Kevin Shock
I think it means trust.

00:54:26.67
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

00:54:28.32
Kevin Shock
you know they the The apostles didn't trust what the women were saying.

00:54:35.67
Kevin Shock
Yeah. So I, and and I think, I think trust is more, more along the lines of less along the lines of, yep, that absolutely happened.

00:54:36.84
Nathan Pile
Yeah. Yeah.

00:54:46.96
Kevin Shock
And more along the lines of who am I to say that it didn't,

00:54:54.53
Nathan Pile
yeah

00:54:56.40
Kevin Shock
which is, is pretty close to, yes, it absolutely happened, but, but not quite there. Yeah.

00:55:02.40
Nathan Pile
yeah

00:55:03.56
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

00:55:08.00
Kevin Shock
I think, yeah, I mean, related to that, and and then then we can move on. But related to that, I I think of, I went through a time, certainly in seminary and and early on in my ministry, where I was fascinated by the movement to explain miracles.

00:55:33.13
Kevin Shock
like to have some kind of modern explanation for them. And I remember specifically the ah when it comes to feeding the multitude, I heard a theologian one time give a compelling reason for, and he wasn't saying that this was how definitively happened, but it could have been, that um that that people in the feeding of the multitude were actually carrying, they were all carrying food with them.

00:55:55.66
Kevin Shock
And the miracle was more along the lines of, The presence of Jesus taught them what abundance is and showed them how to share in their abundance.

00:56:06.03
Nathan Pile
Yeah. Yeah.

00:56:06.78
Kevin Shock
Which is, I think, is a miraculous thing.

00:56:07.33
Nathan Pile
Right.

00:56:09.78
Kevin Shock
um But then I got to a point where I was just like, ah I think the point of a miracle is that I don't have to understand how it happened.

00:56:21.24
Kevin Shock
It just that it did happen. And um yeah, so I've seen how my own kind of, I don't know if you want to call it a level of trust or the way that I believe in so in certain holy things.

00:56:35.93
Kevin Shock
I see how that shifted over time.

00:56:41.16
Nathan Pile
Well, and I would say mine mine is similar.

00:56:41.18
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

00:56:43.28
Nathan Pile
um Though I have this desire, this deep desire to experience things.

00:56:53.28
Nathan Pile
Just as a human being. um

00:56:57.59
Nathan Pile
Recognizing

00:57:02.14
Nathan Pile
that that a part faith ah part of faith and in all, and in a divine being, the, the divine being, the, the infinite singularity that created the, unit the universe, um, means it can do things that I can't rationally put, grab my put my head around.

00:57:16.11
Kevin Shock
Sure.

00:57:22.27
Kevin Shock
sure

00:57:24.12
Nathan Pile
And, you know, I'm a, I'm a scientist. Well, my first, my first part of, of, uh, college was, in conservation biology. So, like everything was about science and coming up with a hypothesis and and going out and testing it and and getting empirical data from whatever it is that you're i looking at, how you phrased your hypothesis to going and then getting the the actual data, going and finding.

00:57:51.60
Nathan Pile
the proof to either prove or disprove your hypothesis, right? So there's there's still that part of me.

00:57:57.25
Kevin Shock
hmm.

00:57:59.14
Nathan Pile
and And I love nature. I love being out in the natural world and seeing the wonder of the natural world. And the natural world helps me to see that that I that I am limited in my full understanding of the connectedness of God in the world.

00:58:17.06
Nathan Pile
um Even though a part of of that of my history is that I use nature to prove hypotheses. There's still a part for me of nature that that helps me to recognize that there's there's the unknown connections that I just I can't fully understand. I can't comprehend.

00:58:39.52
Nathan Pile
um And because of that, has helped me to come to more trustingly believe that look at the God has a connectedness to not just creation, but to humankind and does amazing, miraculous things. and And so again, these stories that we hear, people sharing their experience with us, um,

00:59:05.88
Nathan Pile
does, does, does hit me in a way that, yeah, yeah, I'd like to have that, that experience, but at the same time, it hits me in the same way of so of being able to see, to see it happening in their, in their life um has an impact on me.

00:59:21.88
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:59:24.19
Nathan Pile
And and you said it kind of ah earlier in in that, in that beautiful way that they're, that they're telling me of the story.

00:59:24.76
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:59:32.99
Nathan Pile
gives me a second and third or fourth person connection to the story. But but again, it goes back to your point earlier of ah from Good Friday of how do we how do we hear each other and

00:59:38.12
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

00:59:52.17
Nathan Pile
and and you know how do we trust what they're sharing with us? How do we trust that as a part of this message of of of resurrection, of of Easter?

01:00:07.17
Nathan Pile
You know, that there that there is a piece

01:00:08.10
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

01:00:10.88
Nathan Pile
um

01:00:13.91
Nathan Pile
of trust that gets played out here. um and the And the women experience it, and the and the male disciples have yet to be able to grasp it.

01:00:27.11
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Right.

01:00:35.85
Kevin Shock
Okay. Well, I have lots of additional texts because it's the chief festival of the of the Christian faith.

01:00:37.18
Nathan Pile
You got some additional text for us here on this Easter celebration?

01:00:45.35
Kevin Shock
um So some of these are alternates depending on ah if if you go to a congregation on Easter Day, you may hear any number of these texts, but I'll go ahead and Actually, I see one that's already repeated because it can be used in two different places.

01:01:02.62
Kevin Shock
So, um yeah, on on Easter morning, specifically, these are the additional texts.

01:01:03.22
Nathan Pile
Mm-hmm.

01:01:12.42
Kevin Shock
Acts 10, 34 through 43, God raised Jesus on the third day. Isaiah 65, 17-25, new heavens and a new earth. Psalm and glad it.

01:01:29.29
Kevin Shock
this is the day that the lord has made let us rejoice and be glad in it 1 Corinthians 15, 19 through 26. Christ is raised from the dead, the first fruits.

01:01:41.81
Kevin Shock
ah Oh yeah, just the first fruits. I can't remember what else is said in that Corinthians text, but that's... the first fruits of creation. Isn't that right, Nathan?

01:01:52.55
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

01:01:52.80
Nathan Pile
Correct, yes.

01:01:52.99
Kevin Shock
Okay.

01:01:53.32
Nathan Pile
yes

01:01:53.99
Kevin Shock
Yeah. ah John chapter 20 verses 1 through 18 is the, is John's version of the, of Easter morning, seeing the risen Christ.

01:02:05.71
Kevin Shock
ah So friends, we pray that ah your Easter celebrations, your resurrection celebrations are life giving and good and holy. And that, um,

01:02:18.99
Kevin Shock
resurrection becomes something that you witness in your life on a regular basis. ah We always welcome your reflections via email or social media, and we hope to tend our faith with you again soon.

01:02:31.02
Kevin Shock
Grace to you.

01:02:32.53
Nathan Pile
And peace.