Episode 44: Isaiah 58:9b-14

Translation: NRSVue

3 Questions:

What word, phrase or image strikes you in this text?

Toward what is God calling you in this text?

How might you honor Sabbath?

Additional texts:

Psalm 103:1-8

Hebrews 12:18-29

Luke 13:10-17

Jeremiah 1:4-10

Psalm 71:1-6

Transcript

00:02.39
Kevin Shock
Yes, yes. It's time for some prophecy, Nathan. but but But it won't be coming from me today. It's coming from Isaiah. um yeah You know, the the world is, ah I don't know, the world is a crazy place.

00:20.53
Kevin Shock
So ah we're going to see what Isaiah has to say about it.

00:23.88
Nathan Pile
Why not turn to a prophet and see what they have to say?

00:25.76
Kevin Shock
Why not turn to a prophet? That's right. The prophets don't tell us what we want to hear, but they often tell us what we need to hear. So ah we'll see what Isaiah has to say today to our modern context in chapter 58 verses 9b, the second half of the chapter, or second half of the verse to verse 14.

00:32.27
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

00:47.94
Kevin Shock
So Isaiah 58, 9b to 14, ah We are looking at the New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition that is on BibleGateway.com for your free perusal.

01:01.79
Kevin Shock
Also, the Bible Gateway app. Our three questions that we'll be asking each other today. What word, phrase, or image strikes you in this text? Toward what is God calling you in this text?

01:13.13
Kevin Shock
And how might you honor Sabbath?

01:16.85
Nathan Pile
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01:29.51
Nathan Pile
All of this affects how we read scripture and discuss it, but none of this makes us better able to read and discuss scripture than anyone else. We believe that the wisdom of scripture is the whole community's compiled interpretation for life with God and one another.

01:44.97
Nathan Pile
So we want to know what you hear and think from your life experience.

01:52.65
Nathan Pile
Isaiah 58.

01:57.52
Nathan Pile
If you remove the yoke from among you, the pointing of the finger, the speaking of evil, if you offer your food to the hungry and satisfy the needs of the afflicted, then your light shall rise in the darkness and your gloom will be like the noonday.

02:16.36
Nathan Pile
The Lord will guide you continually and satisfy your needs in parched places and make your bones strong. And you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water whose waters never fail.

02:31.17
Nathan Pile
Your ancient ruins shall be rebuilt. You shall raise up the foundations of many generations. You shall be called the repairer of the breach, the restorer of streets to live in.

02:44.17
Nathan Pile
If you refrain from trampling the sabbath Sabbath, from pursuing your own interests on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the holy day of the Lord honorable, if you honor it, not going your own ways, serving your own interests or pursuing your own affairs, then you shall take delight in the Lord.

03:05.43
Nathan Pile
And I will make you ride upon the heights of the earth. I will feed you with the heritage of your ancestor, Jacob, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

03:20.67
Nathan Pile
If you're meeting with a group, you can pause the podcast now and engage the questions on your own. Kevin, what word, phrase, or image strikes you in this passage?

03:32.90
Kevin Shock
You. Hmm.

03:37.32
Nathan Pile
Wow. Which, which one? um

03:40.33
Kevin Shock
Well, right at the beginning, it, yeah, it really, it got me right at the beginning.

03:40.45
Nathan Pile
Was there a specific one?

03:44.40
Kevin Shock
ah And it um and I guess I was just struck by, I know we've talked about this before, I'm sure, um you know, in English, we don't have ah We don't necessarily have a way to differentiate between the singular you and the plural you.

04:01.09
Kevin Shock
ah this is This is most certainly the plural you. um it, I mean, we could easily read it in our individualistic society as if you do good things, things that the Lord would want you to do, then your you your light, what is it?

04:15.99
Nathan Pile
mmmm

04:19.56
Kevin Shock
Your light shall rise in the darkness, your gloom be like the noonday.

04:24.24
Nathan Pile
yeah mmmm

04:24.41
Kevin Shock
um But this is talking to a nation of people. And um this is like, this is more like if if you if you work together to get your act together and and quit quarreling with each other and quit blaming each other and quit ah um misrepresenting each other Uh, if you, um, feed your hungry, if you, uh, take care of the people who are sick among you, then your light, your collective light shall rise in the darkness.

05:00.18
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

05:00.35
Kevin Shock
Um, and so this is a, this is a call to action for not a person, but a group of people, a whole nation.

05:09.34
Nathan Pile
Hmm. A whole nation.

05:10.85
Kevin Shock
And, um, yeah, and that just, it, it, it struck me in a particular way. hearing it again this time.

05:20.07
Nathan Pile
Well, that would really be, again, when we hear that word you, are our individualized culture would make it make us feel like, oh, this is about me.

05:31.79
Nathan Pile
But um your reflection helps us to kind of see this is about, again, lots of people. this is This is not intended for Nathan alone, but this is for the the people of God to tear to take this mantle upon themselves.

05:49.70
Nathan Pile
And so really, it to me in my head, your reflection kind of takes me back to last week's podcast in some ways about how do we, you know we didn't talk about this specifically, but the thought of like It's about living as a community. Doing these things together as a nation, as a people means that it's... And last week we were talking about how do we do how do we how do we find ah common way? How do we interpret things and live in together? How do we live in some unity moving forward?

06:24.63
Nathan Pile
um and And we really found that to be very difficult.

06:24.83
Kevin Shock
Right.

06:27.71
Nathan Pile
Here, this idea of you all, like... our way forward is by being in God's community, by being ah part of the community of faith and that we do this together, not just some of us, ah you all do this.

06:46.67
Nathan Pile
You all offer food for the hungry.

06:47.38
Kevin Shock
right

06:48.72
Nathan Pile
You all satisfy the needs of the afflicted, um which is, I think, a powerful message um going forward.

06:58.86
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

06:58.97
Nathan Pile
So,

06:59.60
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm. What about you, Nathan? What word, phrase, or image strikes you in this text?

07:04.03
Nathan Pile
I got struck with the imagery in 12. um Raise up foundations for generations. Rebuild ruins. Repairer of the breach. And the actually the phrase that caught my most attention was restorer of the streets.

07:21.90
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

07:22.21
Nathan Pile
in the season of road construction that is summer in Western Pennsylvania, ah it's hard to go anywhere and not run into construction, but this idea of repair of streets.

07:27.44
Kevin Shock
Oh my gosh, yeah.

07:35.24
Nathan Pile
So I just envisioned the that that we, the community, take care of our street. And and and of course, at camp, our dirt road always needs a little bit of maintenance.

07:45.83
Nathan Pile
And this week actually is the week that we're going to do a little bit of maintenance on our own camp road. put fill in our little potholes um ah because of the traffic from our summer our summer season.

07:52.23
Kevin Shock
Hmm.

07:57.88
Nathan Pile
And so we're not we're, we're not done. We have about four four more weeks left of of summer season. And so we need to repair things. so um But that idea of of essentially you know a restorer of the street, a restorer of our roads, like it's how...

08:17.66
Nathan Pile
It's how we get around. It's how we, um you know, having a good infrastructure of roads allows us to to have good you know, good commerce, good, um you know, ah typically along with our roads goes power and um phone lines and internet.

08:37.14
Nathan Pile
And so we have all of those things um as, and so being able to kind of repair all of that. So this idea of finding the brokenness of our, of our communities, our, our neighborhoods so that we can rebuild our ruins, our ancient ruins are rebuilt.

08:56.88
Nathan Pile
We build up foundations for many generations that will be coming. We're going to repair where we have a hole in the breach. um So the, so something in, you know, the, the fort wall, the thing that keeps us safe and secure, we have to repair that breach.

09:11.03
Nathan Pile
um The weak point. um And, and then the, the restorer of streets. So all of these pieces were called um to be a part of as community.

09:24.85
Nathan Pile
um And so it's an, again, I'm, I'm drawn to this pieces of last week. I, I guess I felt I left with so many questions and, And this week, um some of those answers may have been in this week's scripture, ah just another week away, ah that that that God intends to use us, the the nation, God's people, the kingdom of God, um to be the ones who help bring about um the shortcomings of the world that in which that we're which we're in.

09:58.53
Nathan Pile
So, um, so yeah, that was, I was just, was struck by all of those, the rest restorer of the streets was the one that kind of caught my attention, but all of those, um, had kind of that, that idea of rebuilding and, um, and making preparations for, um, things to be better for, again, not about the singular you, but the plural you, all of us doing that together, not, not Nathan or,

10:25.71
Nathan Pile
um Nathan and Nathan's friends, but for us as the people of God to be seeking to do that.

10:34.33
Kevin Shock
Yeah, I, um, yeah the image that comes to my head when I think of that restorer of streets to live in I think of, um,

10:45.90
Kevin Shock
I, and I don't know why it, I don't know why it comes to me this way, but It brings to mind for me a a a bustling city street on and ah in a place where

10:56.35
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

11:01.92
Kevin Shock
um maybe the the traffic isn't the biggest thing, but the people are the biggest thing. And to think about how in cities, they're you know there's we we come from West Central Pennsylvania, and there's a lot of ah I think there's a lot of sentiment in our pretty rural area that streets are, yeah, cities are dangerous places.

11:25.35
Nathan Pile
yeah

11:25.46
Kevin Shock
um and And certainly if you were to, if you were to have the same population density where we live that cities do, you'd probably have the same kind of violence and danger and things like that as well.

11:41.24
Kevin Shock
um But we just have fewer people.

11:42.44
Nathan Pile
Sure.

11:43.82
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

11:44.94
Nathan Pile
Well, but our cities are also kind of older cities.

11:45.26
Kevin Shock
the

11:49.69
Kevin Shock
Yeah, our city and our cities are not nearly as large and dense as cities, like major major metropolitan cities.

11:53.74
Nathan Pile
As they used to be.

11:56.98
Nathan Pile
Sure, sure.

12:00.00
Kevin Shock
yeah So what it brings to mind for me is that cities can be dangerous, violent places, but they're also full of life. and um and And the idea of a city street being free from violence and danger the removal of all of the things that are bad that come with being a densely populated people i and leaving behind all the things that are good about being a densely populated people.

12:29.48
Kevin Shock
And that is ah culture, um neighbors looking out for one another. um it brings to mind for the the the underlying word for me in this restorer of streets to live in image is justice.

12:47.99
Kevin Shock
and And I again, I don't know exactly why that is, but that's that's what it brings to mind for me. This is this is about and not and not criminal justice, but justice where people are being cared for. People are being fed. Kids are able to run around without worrying about anything.

13:04.88
Kevin Shock
ah Families are interacting with each other. ah Old and young live side by side and and watch out for each other. um That kind of justice, that kind of human Yeah, I... I can't think of a better word than justice, that that that life is full and as it is intended to be for all of the people in that densely populated area.

13:32.07
Kevin Shock
That's the image that comes forward for me.

13:32.16
Nathan Pile
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your, your reflection kind of makes me think about that idea of, of that. Um, everybody has a life of dignity. That's what life on the street, um, uh, you know, that, that they're living towards together there.

13:42.94
Kevin Shock
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

13:49.26
Nathan Pile
It's a place where they have a little, uh, end of the week celebration together, you know, a little festival of, Hey, yeah, we're all here together and things are going well.

13:49.63
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

13:57.55
Nathan Pile
So.

13:58.56
Kevin Shock
yeah Yeah. Um, well that's, that's funny you, the phrase that you used life on the street, uh, that, um, the name of it, I really like watching. Um, I don't actually don't know why, but I like watching police procedurals, like, you know, like crime movies and and TV.

14:18.39
Kevin Shock
And ah one of the shows, I haven't gotten the whole way through it yet, but one of the shows that I watch on and off ah in the summertime too, for some reason, it appeals to me. I don't know. I always like, I have this real nostalgic feeling for like the ah the Law & Order theme song on a hot summer's night. I have no idea why. It's just, I don't know. It's like, for me, that's like that's like high point relaxation for me.

14:42.34
Kevin Shock
Just that.

14:46.22
Kevin Shock
um just that that song and that feeling. Um, but yeah, so, so a different show is, uh, is called homicide life on the street.

14:58.94
Kevin Shock
And, um, it's interesting to me because that you use that phrase life on the street. Um, and this is certainly a show that's about the the worst of life on the street.

15:09.47
Kevin Shock
In fact, it's about death in the streets, uh, homicide.

15:12.85
Kevin Shock
So, um, but, but what we're talking about is we're talking about the, uh,

15:13.53
Nathan Pile
Right.

15:18.50
Kevin Shock
the the other end of that, the the other end of the spectrum, like all of the all of the things that are on the other side of the things that are lifted up in that television show.

15:23.24
Nathan Pile
Right.

15:29.56
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

15:29.74
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

15:30.66
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

15:31.33
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

15:38.74
Kevin Shock
Okay.

15:39.54
Nathan Pile
All right, now we're moving on.

15:39.89
Kevin Shock
right Should we look at it a second time?

15:42.67
Nathan Pile
Yep, let's look at it a second time.

15:44.31
Kevin Shock
Okay.

15:45.32
Nathan Pile
So.

15:46.32
Kevin Shock
From Isaiah 58. If you remove the yoke from among you, the pointing of the finger, the speaking of evil, if you offer your food to the hungry and satisfy the needs of the afflicted, then your light shall rise in the darkness and your gloom be like the noonday.

16:02.83
Kevin Shock
The Lord will guide you continually and satisfy your needs in parched places and make your bones strong. And you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water whose waters never fail.

16:14.54
Kevin Shock
Your ancient ruins shall be rebuilt. you shall raise up the foundations of many generations. You shall be called the repairer of the breach, the restorer of streets to live in. If you refrain from trampling the Sabbath, from pursuing your own interests on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight in the holy day of the Lord honorable, if you honor it not going your own ways, serving your own interests, or pursuing your own affairs, then you shall take delight in the Lord, and I will make you ride upon the heights of the earth,

16:45.86
Kevin Shock
I will feed you with the heritage of your ancestor Jacob, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken. Nathan, toward what is God calling you in this text?

16:57.94
Nathan Pile
Um, well, I hear it in a couple of different places. Um, but there's, there is.

17:08.58
Nathan Pile
So holding on to ha-, Sabbath might be the easiest way to say it. Um, but there's a, the part at the beginning, there's a, there's a sense of knowing what to put down and knowing what to pick up, um, in the midst of this. And so,

17:26.95
Nathan Pile
um feeding our neighbor, or feeding the hungry is something that we pick up, in the, in the midst of, of, um, of Sabbath yet at the same time, there are, there are things that, that we put down. So the, the pointing of fingers, the calling of names, the, um, the, even putting down work, um,

17:55.82
Nathan Pile
Um, you know, that when I hear that first phrase about removing our yoke to me, that feels like that's our work. That's the thing that we're, that we, when when we think about animals of, of that day, we put a yoke on them and, and they pull the yoke to, to plow the field.

18:14.85
Nathan Pile
Um, that's the work that we, we all kind of have. And so being able to say, it's time to put down the work, of our world. and And I know we talk about this from time to time um of of how busy our world is, um but how work has, I think, in many ways, found a way to be in the midst of even when family time existed. And and I don't know, and don't think it's only...

18:45.39
Nathan Pile
cell phones in our digital world that has caused that to to become um ah major part of our life. but But it has absolutely made it easier also.

18:57.13
Nathan Pile
um

19:00.03
Nathan Pile
But how do we, you know, if if work pays us a salary, we we want the salary. And so we push to make sure that work happens yet in this passage, it feels like we have to remember, we need to put that yoke down, um, together, not just Nathan has to put the yoke down, but we together as a community must find a way to stop pressing,

19:30.26
Nathan Pile
um

19:32.80
Nathan Pile
uh, the work of, ah of, of, of our time. Um, and again, that, that gets included with the pointing of fingers and the speaking of evil, um, uh, about one another and and calling each other names and all of those things.

19:46.52
Nathan Pile
But ah the, the, those things need to be set aside. And yet there's also still a picking up that needs to to happen. And, and the picking up has to do making, has to do with making life easier for, for others.

19:59.75
Nathan Pile
Um,

20:02.82
Nathan Pile
And so how do we explore Sabbath? um How do we ah try to make it our own um

20:16.71
Nathan Pile
so that it's a part so it's genuinely yeah a part of who we are? um be Because we have these things of be that our communities need restorer of streets.

20:30.53
Nathan Pile
But to be able to do that means that um If we're working for justice in our neighborhood, it might mean that we have to stop working long enough to a learn who our neighbors are and learn to care about them so that then we want to make time to to help seek justice for them in this space and place. And and we're not going to get paid for that.

20:58.74
Nathan Pile
Like that's not work. problem Most likely that's not our work. And so we have to make time

21:07.71
Nathan Pile
four for that to happen, um to build, to be a restorer of streets in our community, to be restorer of justice in our communities where all have a life of dignity.

21:20.29
Nathan Pile
means taking the time to get to know one another and, and putting that work, um, putting, putting, don't want to call it work cause it's not the same as what work is when we go to work and get paid a salary.

21:33.72
Nathan Pile
we We need to take the time though, to be intentional about, making the time to listen to our neighbors so that we get to know them, um, and that relationships form. And again,

21:47.36
Nathan Pile
I've said this before, relationships build trust and, and, um and change only comes about at the speed of trust. And so we have to have that trust first um to be able to work together in our own communities to be able to bring about that change. So, so in, so again, that's my long way of kind of saying we we have to, we have to hold on. I even forget how I said it at the beginning of this. Now um we need to be able to,

22:16.42
Nathan Pile
um hold on though, get, get a grasp of what God means by Sabbath. And it's not about our ways. It's about, ah it's about God's ways. It's about seeking justice for others and putting down our own, um, desires and wants for the world.

22:36.68
Kevin Shock
Mmmm

22:39.24
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Which, um, I think is, uh, is easier to do if you're, if we're just focusing on ourselves,

22:50.38
Nathan Pile
As opposed to the whole community.

22:50.57
Kevin Shock
like as opposed to the whole community.

22:51.74
Nathan Pile
Yeah. The you they're going back to your you.

22:53.36
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

22:53.58
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

22:54.16
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

22:54.24
Nathan Pile
Yep.

22:55.05
Kevin Shock
Yeah. And, and, uh, cause I think, I mean, I even it's so like that, that individualism is so ingrained in us. it, it, it takes over so easily.

23:06.95
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

23:07.42
Kevin Shock
And, um, I, cause I find even as we keep reading this, I'm thinking, oh yeah, I, you know, I can, I can not pursue my own interests. I can, I can keep the holy day of the Lord honorable. I can not go my own ways or serve my own interests or pursue my own affairs.

23:24.65
Kevin Shock
ah but that's not what this is about. This is about the community looking to do this together. And, um,

23:35.93
Kevin Shock
And I think that we are at a point where it's, I don't know if we'll ever get back to a place where we agree on one day of Sabbath a week for the whole nation.

23:45.99
Nathan Pile
Hmm. Yeah.

23:48.34
Kevin Shock
Um, I would love for that to be the case, but I, I just don't have a lot of faith that that's going to happen because I do think that, um, I think it's and as ah as important it is for individuals to take a Sabbath day every week.

24:05.38
Kevin Shock
and where you really work on rest and caring for your family and not um not making money, not, you know, and I realize this is a privileged thing.

24:17.97
Kevin Shock
So I'm saying, you know, it's, I'm not saying that this is what people should be doing.

24:22.39
Kevin Shock
I'm saying, I think it's important. That's an an important thing for people to have. I think it's even more important if we all have the same day. because then people are free to build community and they're free to, ah look out for one another.

24:32.11
Nathan Pile
Yeah

24:38.79
Kevin Shock
And, it extends beyond our own, the household in which we live to the neighborhood in which we live or, or ah particular group of people among whom we live.

24:51.94
Kevin Shock
Um, and then that growth comes there and not just for us and our families. Um,

24:58.07
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

24:59.89
Kevin Shock
So ah that's all to say, I don't, I don't think that we'll ever agree on one Sabbath on the same Sabbath day again. Uh, but I do think that we can as a whole community, encourage one another to adopt Sabbath values throughout the whole of the week and, and doing things like not pursuing our own interests.

25:25.29
Kevin Shock
Um, um, honoring the, honoring the things that the Lord has given us. Um,

25:36.08
Kevin Shock
really, really focusing on, on justice for the people around us and not just what we want. I mean, I think that that's what, I think that's what Sabbath is about.

25:49.11
Kevin Shock
I think that Sabbath at its core, Sabbath is about yielding to God and God's ways. and not not doing our own thing.

26:02.24
Kevin Shock
So I guess my positive spin on that, I'm I'm not really answering the question necessarily. I'm still just commenting on what you were saying. um I think the positive spin on that is that we, the people of God, can encourage one another to live that way throughout the whole week.

26:22.44
Kevin Shock
Even if it's just something that we do amongst our own faith community or something like that, something that helps helps us to practice pursuing justice and pursuing the way of the Lord for the people around us.

26:37.75
Nathan Pile
Yeah, I was just having a ah conversation similar to to all of your reflection there of um with ah some of our guests that are here um this week at camp. And um and we were talking about.

26:49.10
Kevin Shock
Which is interesting, which is interesting because they're not our tradition.

26:50.25
Nathan Pile
Huh? which Which is, which is, they're not our tradition. No, this is our, um, one of our weeks of partnership with, uh, uh, traditions beyond our own.

26:55.50
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

26:59.07
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

27:00.55
Nathan Pile
And so this week we're with, we're working with the Muslim youth of North America. Um, and so I was talking to some of their leaders and we were talking about the need for Sabbath. We didn't use that word, but, but that's what we're absolutely, we're talking around.

27:15.21
Nathan Pile
Um, and the, the need that we need to see, that we see for, for kids, for the campers that we see, um you know, and for for, that being a part of life in general for families, how do we seek, you know, again, as camps, oftentimes we're welcoming kids who are not with their parents when they come to camp, but how do we, how do we help that family unit, the other 51 weeks of the year, embrace something that's so counter-cultural as Sabbath, um,

27:38.03
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

27:49.14
Nathan Pile
um so that they might have that time together. And so, uh, yeah, it's an interesting, it's an interesting piece and, and feeling like it's a, it's so counter-cultural that we can get no one else to be on board with us can really be, um overwhelming. And so what part of what we were talking about was, is there a way that, that we find people who are like-minded within our communities and, and hopefully you'd find some of those people in your community of faith.

28:21.31
Nathan Pile
And specifically, like I was obviously I was talking from the Lutheran Christian perspective in the community faith that I function in.

28:21.65
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

28:28.17
Nathan Pile
But they felt the, the the the lead-, these leaders I was talking with felt the same way in their Muslim faith tradition. Like how do we how do we live in our are Neighborhoods are physical neighborhoods with people of lots of different faith traditions and yet still really be seeking this other thing. And, and, you know, do we pull ourselves away from everybody else in this community then because we're pulling, you know, we're separating ourselves by having the Sabbath and the rest of them don't,

29:00.92
Nathan Pile
don't seem to know how to do it or, or maybe they don't even have a desire to do it. Um, but like, that's the, you, you, you still want to be a part of that neighborhood.

29:12.04
Nathan Pile
And so how do we do it together? How do we, how does, how does the, you all, um, of this passage happen? So, yeah.

29:23.28
Kevin Shock
Hmm. Yeah.

29:25.61
Nathan Pile
that's that's I think that's a challenge. How do we do it together? How do we do it in in the in as community together?

29:28.35
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Yeah. yeah And, and maybe, and maybe the start is getting better doing it as individuals ourselves.

29:37.34
Nathan Pile
Yeah, the families. yeah

29:38.21
Kevin Shock
So the, so that the, it, it spreads like a contagion.

29:42.98
Nathan Pile
Well, and it has to be that that as we practice it, we're also seeking others that are practicing it because we're going to need to support each other. Because otherwise you just feel like you're doing it.

29:52.00
Kevin Shock
Right.

29:53.36
Nathan Pile
ah You're the only one doing it.

29:54.53
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

29:55.35
Nathan Pile
and And eventually there's so much pressure from the outside. Put on your kids, put on on you as the parent, whatever it is to kind of give up whatever it is that you feel like is, is am I the only one that values this anymore?

30:04.21
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

30:11.98
Nathan Pile
Maybe I'm wrong. And so we just cave to what everything else is that's around us.

30:14.22
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

30:16.08
Nathan Pile
But how do we, how do we find that support within each other as we, as we do try to attempt practicing it? Yeah.

30:23.23
Kevin Shock
Yeah, I'm glad you lift that up. That that is the importance of finding. Yeah, co...

30:29.88
Kevin Shock
ah and

30:30.75
Nathan Pile
Co-conspirators.

30:32.43
Kevin Shock
Well, yeah, that's right. I was was looking for a more common word, but that's the one that kept coming into my...

30:38.30
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

30:39.02
Kevin Shock
Yeah, right, right. um Yeah.

30:43.11
Nathan Pile
I think it the in some ways I think that we have to be, I don't want say that we have to be subversive, but but if we're going to be countercultural, it is.

30:48.99
Kevin Shock
Well...

30:52.16
Kevin Shock
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:52.47
Nathan Pile
It's saying that the kingdom of God is something different. Whether you're Christian or Muslim, the kingdom of God, the kingdom of of Allah is different than what our consumeristic, individualistic society right now, at least in the United States, it is is pushing down as the agenda.

31:13.99
Kevin Shock
Yeah, yep. Yeah, no, I think you're right. I think we we do have to be subversive because it's Yeah, the the the dominant culture will just, what's the word I'm looking for?

31:31.31
Kevin Shock
Will just wipe us out if we're not being subversive in some way. I mean, it's so easy to get downtrodden in doing that doing that kind of work or or rest, I guess, depending on how.

31:34.81
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

31:38.11
Nathan Pile
Right.

31:45.64
Nathan Pile
Sure.

31:46.25
Kevin Shock
It's subversive to rest. It really is. Yeah.

31:48.96
Nathan Pile
It is subversive to rest.

31:50.97
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Yeah. Or at least counter-cultural, but yes. Yeah.

31:56.46
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

31:57.17
Kevin Shock
Okay. Well, um, I, I didn't technically answer the question, but I feel like I, I feel like I did, I guess. Um, I guess for all of my commentary, the thing that I would pull out is that, um, I, I think it's important to, um, practice this way of life that God is talking about here publicly.

32:19.80
Kevin Shock
Um,

32:20.13
Nathan Pile
Mm-hmm.

32:20.79
Kevin Shock
Not, not, not boastfully, but don't, I think, I think it's good. I, um, uh, just thinking of some experiences I've had lately, I think it's a good to

32:37.72
Kevin Shock
be, be openly attentive to people and, and, and be, um, intentional about the ways that you care for them.

32:50.90
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

32:51.18
Kevin Shock
so that they know they're being cared for. It's also, I think, important ah to so latch on a little bit to what you said there, um that if someone cares for you in a specific way and um maybe doesn't even know it, that that you tell them about it.

33:11.76
Kevin Shock
And you let them, I, I had an experience last week where somebody, um

33:20.70
Kevin Shock
somebody, uh, an employee at the animal shelter. I was, I was just having it's having a rough day and I was just, I was frankly just there, uh, waiting in the lobby for at Lisa to get done with work so we could go do something.

33:35.57
Kevin Shock
And, um, and this employee saw me and, and she popped her head into the lobby and said, Oh, what are you doing here? And I said, Oh, I'm just waiting for Lisa. And she said, well, it's good to see you again today.

33:48.36
Kevin Shock
And like, It was enough that when she walked away, I kind of teared up. Like, I mean, that, that was the kind of, yeah, that was the kind of day I was having.

33:56.12
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

33:59.04
Kevin Shock
And, uh, and so when I saw her the following week, I, I let her know that, you know, I was, I was in a kind of a deep place in a not great way.

34:12.54
Kevin Shock
Whenever I, whenever you saw me last week and, uh, And, and just, just those words that you were, you were glad to see me made me feel a ton better.

34:23.01
Nathan Pile
yeah

34:23.33
Kevin Shock
And, uh, and she was like, oh, you know, like, like she didn't expect that, but, um, but it was like, um, oh, that, you know, like that's, that's great to hear.

34:26.87
Nathan Pile
Right. Sure.

34:32.22
Kevin Shock
Thanks. Thanks a lot for telling me. And this is somebody that, you know, this is someone who's ah much younger than I am.

34:34.41
Nathan Pile
Sure.

34:39.01
Kevin Shock
And, uh, and someone that I feel like some, not obligation, but I feel like I, I, I could live into a little bit more of um being somewhat of a role model for this person.

34:52.97
Kevin Shock
ah

34:53.17
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

34:53.65
Kevin Shock
not Not that they necessarily need one, but you know like I'm like I'm ah for for some people there who are young, I'm a bit of a father figure, for lack of a better term.

34:57.67
Nathan Pile
Sure.

35:04.89
Nathan Pile
Sure.

35:05.83
Kevin Shock
And so I think it's important that um it's important that I help them, but it's also really important for me that when they help me, I let them know that they're helping me. And that I appreciate it.

35:15.02
Nathan Pile
Hmm. Yeah.

35:16.83
Kevin Shock
So, yeah, I feel like that kind of relationship just then encourages that kind of that, that mutual, but a term we use a lot in the church, mutual care and consolation, um that it helps that to continue.

35:17.92
Nathan Pile
Oh,

35:35.37
Kevin Shock
It gives that way of life momentum. Yeah.

35:39.11
Nathan Pile
Yeah. Yeah.

35:44.74
Nathan Pile
Tell me about your shirt, and dude.

35:48.45
Kevin Shock
But why?

35:49.23
Nathan Pile
What's your shirt say?

35:49.82
Kevin Shock
What?

35:50.13
Nathan Pile
go It says Goetta Life.

35:50.89
Kevin Shock
No, it says get a life.

35:52.22
Nathan Pile
I can't see. ah goetta. So, like your did you put it on today knowing we were going to read this?

35:57.87
Kevin Shock
No, no, this is just one of my slumming around the house.

36:00.79
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

36:01.95
Kevin Shock
Comfortable. Yeah, no, it right.

36:06.13
Nathan Pile
just I just saw it.

36:06.60
Kevin Shock
Get a.

36:07.65
Nathan Pile
You leaned back enough that I could see. And I'm like, dude, his shirt is is like on on par today. Like, nice job, buddy.

36:14.52
Kevin Shock
that way nothing No, it has nothing to do with anything. Geta, which, right.

36:21.38
Nathan Pile
So everyone, it's spelled G-O-E-T-T-A, life.

36:25.66
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Yeah.

36:27.17
Nathan Pile
And so it's like Goetta.

36:27.78
Kevin Shock
Yeah. It's pronounced, it's right, but it's pronounced Geta.

36:28.60
Nathan Pile
Goetta.

36:31.68
Kevin Shock
it's a um It's a Cincinnati.

36:36.70
Kevin Shock
It's like the Cincinnati version of Scrapple.

36:40.13
Nathan Pile
What?

36:40.62
Kevin Shock
but Yeah.

36:41.05
Nathan Pile
Scrapple. Oh, this is a food product?

36:42.10
Kevin Shock
Yeah. This is a food product. Yes, but it's a play on words because it's pronounced getta and yeah.

36:47.49
Nathan Pile
I got it. Okay. Because they say getta there. All right.

36:51.33
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

36:52.80
Nathan Pile
Because I was definitely confused by what it actually meant, but and now the food piece of it.

36:52.90
Kevin Shock
Yeah. It's the, yeah, no, it, no, it, know for people who are outside Cincinnati, Cincinnati, because I read one time, like the, uh, like 98% of the gutta that's produced in the United States is consumed in the Metro Cincinnati area.

37:11.45
Kevin Shock
It's like, it's very particular. Um, yeah, it's like,

37:15.16
Nathan Pile
I just saw the goetta life and I thought, boy, the you're really you're starting to match your wardrobe with the theme of our but Bible study or you know that text study.

37:21.07
Kevin Shock
yeah yeah, no, I, no, I think, I think I need to, I think I need to get like a t-shirt that says peace be with you or something like that.

37:25.67
Nathan Pile
That's really nice.

37:31.89
Kevin Shock
And just walk around with that on. I think that that's, that's my, that's my public witness. Uh, that would be my public, one of my public witness.

37:38.40
Nathan Pile
The public witness is peace be with you, not not get a life.

37:40.80
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

37:41.82
Nathan Pile
All right.

37:42.69
Kevin Shock
No, not get a life, but it's different kind of public witness.

37:44.57
Nathan Pile
All right. Well, claiming Sabbath would be getting a life, I think. All

37:49.04
Kevin Shock
Yes, you're right. You're right. It would be. All right.

37:54.09
Nathan Pile
all right. We ready to do this? have a third time.

37:55.75
Kevin Shock
Yeah, let's do it.

37:56.62
Nathan Pile
It feels very, I'm, I'm not even sure where I'm at anymore.

37:57.20
Kevin Shock
yeah

38:00.61
Nathan Pile
um

38:00.65
Kevin Shock
Yeah, we're in a good place. Yeah, let's do it a third time, though.

38:02.28
Nathan Pile
Okay. Third time. And that means I'm reading. Okay. Here we go. If you remove the yoke from among you, the pointing of the finger, the speaking of evil, if you offer your food to the hungry and satisfy the needs of the afflicted, then your light shall rise in the darkness and your gloom be like the noonday.

38:24.82
Nathan Pile
The Lord will guide you continually and satisfy your needs in parched places and make your bones strong. And you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water whose waters never fail.

38:41.96
Nathan Pile
Your ancient ruins shall be rebuilt. You shall raise up the foundations of many generations. You shall be called the repairer of the breach, the restorer of streets to live in.

38:53.11
Nathan Pile
If you refrain from trampling the Sabbath, from pursuing your own interests on my holy day, If you call the Sabbath a delight and the holy day of the Lord honorable, if you honor it, not going your own ways, serving your own interests or pursuing your own affairs, then you shall take delight in the Lord. And I will make you ride upon the heights of the earth.

39:18.44
Nathan Pile
I will feed you with the heritage of your ancestor, Jacob, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

39:30.85
Nathan Pile
Kevin, how might you honor Sabbath?

39:35.78
Kevin Shock
Hmm. Yeah. I, I, how is this question different from the second one? Now I'm now wondering as, as we've had all of this conversation, I think that, um, I do think that living Sabbath publicly is an important thing.

39:44.66
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

39:51.02
Kevin Shock
Um, I, ah man, I'll tell you, well, yeah, I'll tell you that I, um, one thing I really struggle with is Okay. So two things, living Sabbath publicly, and that, that is, I think, yielding to, to the God's way and not my own way all throughout the week is an important way to honor Sabbath.

40:16.29
Kevin Shock
Um, but if we're thinking of Sabbath as like a period of time, a day of rest, um, of course you and I know Nathan, um, it's little different for you. now your The rhythm of your life is a little different now than it was when you were in the parish, your work life at least.

40:30.53
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

40:31.30
Kevin Shock
Um, but, But for a lot of pastors, uh, Sunday is not the Sabbath because you're, we're working. Um, and so, ah that, that can actually be true for a lot of people too, because commerce continues to happen on Sundays.

40:39.35
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

40:49.50
Kevin Shock
So there might be other people who work those days.

40:49.83
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

40:52.42
Kevin Shock
Um, but I think what it does mean for pastors, I can only speak from our perspective, really. is that it's important to find another day of the week where you are really not engaging in the work that you're called to do.

41:09.42
Kevin Shock
and

41:09.66
Nathan Pile
Yeah. Putting your yoke down.

41:11.32
Kevin Shock
The work that you're doing you're, you're putting your yoke down.

41:12.21
Nathan Pile
Putting your yoke down somehow.

41:14.08
Kevin Shock
That's right. That's right. And I think it continues to be a struggle for me to, and this is probably true for a lot of other pastors too, to let people know when my Sabbath is because I don't want to appear to be inaccessible.

41:31.02
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

41:31.67
Kevin Shock
um

41:31.91
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

41:32.76
Kevin Shock
But the reality is on the day, ah I set aside Fridays because that's the day for a long time, that's been the day that I go and volunteer at the animal shelter. and um And I, that's a day that it's just gotten easier for me as time has gone on. I don't like I don't check my email.

41:52.86
Kevin Shock
I just ah just don't.

41:53.97
Nathan Pile
Yeah, sure.

41:55.00
Kevin Shock
and And if someone calls me that I recognize it's a number, it's going to be a work related conversation. I let it go to voicemail and, uh, I will, I will respond to emergencies, but in the position I'm in right now, a true emergency is not as common as maybe it would have been in a parish.

42:17.09
Kevin Shock
Um, people are not calling me when they're in a,

42:17.15
Nathan Pile
Sure, sure.

42:22.11
Kevin Shock
an accident or if somebody's dying necessarily, it may be the case, but it's, but it's less common. Um, and yet I still like even, even Bishop Collins said to me one time, you know, just cause on her, on her email, when she replies to an email, her, her signature says, you know, that she's, she's working part time.

42:46.76
Kevin Shock
so These are the times when you can expect that she will be in the office and be responding to email.

42:52.04
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

42:53.85
Kevin Shock
And if it's outside of those times, it might, you might not get a as quick a response as you would normally expect. And, uh, and she told me one time, you should put something like that on your email signature, just so people know, just, you know, like just to make it them aware of it. And, and I don't know why I've still resisted doing that.

43:14.07
Nathan Pile
Hmm.

43:14.31
Kevin Shock
but I really don't because it's, Because I don't personally, I don't, I don't feel bad about taking a day off.

43:21.97
Nathan Pile
Sure.

43:22.27
Kevin Shock
Um, but I, but there's a, there's... yeah.

43:25.03
Nathan Pile
But communicating it feels like it would go too far.

43:28.92
Kevin Shock
And that doesn't really make a lot of sense. The more that talk about it, it makes even less sense actually. so um,

43:35.47
Nathan Pile
So maybe next week you can change your email.

43:37.92
Kevin Shock
yeah, maybe, maybe I can.

43:40.42
Nathan Pile
All right. we can We can all send, we can, everybody's listening.

43:42.63
Kevin Shock
oh

43:45.43
Nathan Pile
Let's all send ah emails next week to see

43:47.93
Kevin Shock
No, don't send emails next week. No.

43:50.08
Nathan Pile
We want to see if your response tells us that you're you've changed your ways.

43:55.82
Kevin Shock
Oh, well, actually, if you send me an email next week, I will. Well, no, you you're right. You'll be hearing in this at a different time than when we're recording it. was going say next week I'll be out of town for churchwide assembly, but that's, that will be, that will already be over by the time people, people hear this podcast.

44:09.57
Nathan Pile
That'll also be in the past. That'll also be the past.

44:12.50
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

44:13.01
Nathan Pile
ah

44:13.02
Kevin Shock
So anywho. Yeah.

44:16.87
Nathan Pile
All right. So don't send Kevin an email.

44:17.29
Kevin Shock
um So, so I think, I mean, you can send me an email about other things, but don't send me an email just to, just to put it in my inbox. ah ah Just to see what my response is going to be like. Oh my goodness.

44:33.65
Kevin Shock
um Anyway, so honoring Sabbath. Yeah. I, I think we already, I already kind of tackled that with the last question, but I, Um, living it publicly is one thing, but maybe being public about our rest is something else too.

44:48.84
Nathan Pile
Yeah. Well, we again, is it a part of our world that makes honoring rest like we shouldn't do that?

44:58.63
Kevin Shock
Hmm. Yeah. I, yes, I, yes, I absolutely think that that's the case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There, there, yeah, we have,

45:05.93
Nathan Pile
If the badge is being busy, telling people I'm taking rest is the opposite of what it should be.

45:13.53
Kevin Shock
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

45:18.33
Kevin Shock
Yep.

45:20.98
Kevin Shock
Yeah. and And I think, and I think it may be for some, for some people, myself even included, it it may be just internalized. Like, like I, I shouldn't tell, I shouldn't tell people I'm taking a day off.

45:33.38
Kevin Shock
Like, you know, I don't want to rub it in their faces or make it seem like I'm lazy or something like that. I, you know, even, uh, it's interesting now that I'm talking about this more, um, you know, there are particular days, especially when she has a long week that Lisa says to me, like, I'm not doing anything today.

45:56.48
Kevin Shock
And, and it's almost, it almost takes like an explanatory tone for me.

45:56.99
Nathan Pile
Right.

46:01.24
Kevin Shock
And I often say ah that that's fine. Like, please don't, you know, like, don't do anything on my account.

46:06.31
Nathan Pile
right

46:08.11
Kevin Shock
But I think, I think, I think she and I both have some internalized, like, well, you know, if, if there's, if there's open time and there's stuff that needs to be done, that we better work on it.

46:21.29
Kevin Shock
Um, yeah. Uh, so I, I, I, again, think last, last week we talked about that, you know, the, with, when it came to individualism, like that becomes so internalized that even when we know that this is not about the individual, it really,

46:39.87
Kevin Shock
um Wait, was that last week or is that this week earlier we were talking about it? I don't know. I get confused sometimes. Anyway, it, but like, it just is, it, it's so like, it becomes such a such a part of who we are that, um, even when we know it's okay to rest, when we know that it's good to take time away, those feelings of like feeling bad about it or feeling like you're lazy or something when you're doing it easily creep in. And so that's,

47:11.42
Kevin Shock
I think I think the more we can give one another permission to do it, the better it will be.

47:16.69
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

47:17.48
Kevin Shock
But what about you, Nathan? How might you honor Sabbath? Okay.

47:20.25
Nathan Pile
Well, I'll answer that in a minute. But I do think there's something about permission that you just said. There's something about permission that we need to give each other about Sabbath. Sabbath.

47:32.53
Nathan Pile
And, and, and to think about what does that look like again in our community and our communities of faith? um

47:44.26
Nathan Pile
Like when we ask each other, when we check in with each other, we're like, we're content with the answer. Well, things have been busy.

47:55.90
Nathan Pile
Like when I say to Kevin, Oh, Kevin, how are you? Oh, well, I've been really busy.

48:02.45
Nathan Pile
you know Is there a way that we as communities of faith can say, oh, well, that's terrible. how, how could, How could I help you get some some Sabbath?

48:19.24
Nathan Pile
like how How could we make that the the end goal as a community in faith instead of just rubber stamping our our um culture's piece of busy?

48:33.22
Nathan Pile
So you theres like you say about giving, you know, yeah you that phrase of permission, how do we give each other permission to rest and renew, not to feel guilty about that, not to feel like they're being judged because they're resting.

48:52.26
Nathan Pile
And can we, as God's people, create a community around that feeling? I think that's that to me is a powerful question for us to wrestle with moving forward as God's people.

49:06.90
Nathan Pile
um That we might challenge one another to not be busy. That when somebody says they're busy, what would be a better response?

49:20.34
Nathan Pile
Like most of us hear busy and we just, ah and oftentimes it kind of ends the conversation. Or the question is, what are you busy with?

49:29.28
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

49:29.72
Nathan Pile
And then it's just like them going through their calendar kind of a thing, right?

49:29.86
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

49:32.40
Nathan Pile
And we're all kind of like, I don't really need to hear about your calendar. My calendar is bad enough, right? But what could be a response?

49:37.60
Kevin Shock
right Right. Right.

49:40.67
Nathan Pile
What can be a response to I'm busy? That's terrible. I hear that.

49:50.42
Nathan Pile
You know, is there a way that we could take some time together away from busy?

49:55.54
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

49:56.15
Nathan Pile
You know, what, you know, what does, so I don't know. I like, I'm just wondering how do we, again, it goes back to that idea of being in community and how we help each other grab onto maybe more health, more healthy patterns

50:16.58
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

50:17.23
Nathan Pile
um for ourselves. And what does that look like then in a community that's going to be the restorer of life in the street?

50:29.38
Nathan Pile
And what does that look like for each other? How do we how do we go about doing that for each other? So that that's was my two cents on your piece of permission a piece there. Because I do think, I think, because we we all, I know I feel bad about it when I don't,

50:47.37
Nathan Pile
But at the same time, and like and then when I when I'm going to take some time and I know things are busy, but like how do we how do we take the time?

50:58.67
Nathan Pile
how do we how do we How do we give ourselves give ourselves permission? How do we give each other permission? um You know, I as ah as a supervisor in ah in ah in a camp setting, when staff approach me about trying to take time off, I try to make sure it happens, right?

51:14.23
Nathan Pile
Like that's how I work towards it. but then You know, that doesn't mean that they don't feel guilty about taking the time. But like, how do I, how do I try to remove as many um barriers that, you know, I can't, I can't erase everything. Obviously I can't erase everything that they're feeling other than to keep saying, Hey, enjoy your vacation. I know it's coming up. Have a great time, you know, relax, rest, renew.

51:40.68
Nathan Pile
um But you know, people can still feel like, Oh, I shouldn't, I shouldn't go away. It's real. It's a really busy time right now. Yeah, it is. But when is it not?

51:48.97
Kevin Shock
Right, right. Yep, that's right.

51:52.22
Nathan Pile
And so how do we help each other step into that? Because we, we all know that when we get away, when we get that time and, and maybe it's a day, so maybe Sabbath is a day, but if we get, if we have that time, it makes us better.

52:09.96
Nathan Pile
You know, there's something about it that helps, helps us to be more, more faithful to God's ways, more, more loving, more caring, um,

52:10.40
Kevin Shock
Yeah.

52:21.48
Nathan Pile
more creative. Um, and so how do we, how do we turn turn, the, this piece of permission in such a way that it gives each other that we give each other, um, an opportunity to do this and not feel bad about it.

52:40.46
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

52:42.03
Nathan Pile
So it's a challenge. So.

52:47.64
Nathan Pile
um But I do think after saying all of that, I do think as I, as you had answer, asked me, I think honoring Sabbath um and you've, you've identified it a couple of times.

53:00.20
Nathan Pile
We have to do that. We have to seek to honor what Sabbath looks like. um And kind of go from there. And so,

53:13.34
Nathan Pile
um

53:19.58
Nathan Pile
So, yeah.

53:24.69
Nathan Pile
I have- No, I, Nathan, and am I if you've listened to the podcast any amount of time, you know that so there's times I'm not very good about taking Sabbath. The summer is is where I am the worst.

53:37.56
Nathan Pile
ah And understandably so.

53:40.31
Kevin Shock
Yeah, understandably so, but yeah.

53:43.37
Nathan Pile
It's you know it's a busy time of year. But then how do we how do I go back and recapture it And that word honor, I think, challenges me to be better at it.

53:55.73
Kevin Shock
Hmm.

53:56.62
Nathan Pile
To be better at it.

53:56.93
Kevin Shock
Hmm.

53:59.27
Nathan Pile
um Because it is ah it is something God gives to us as a gift.

54:07.51
Nathan Pile
And so whatever guilt, whatever other feelings I have about it, I need to put those aside and recognize this is a gift that God gives.

54:18.81
Nathan Pile
calls us to accept

54:21.07
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

54:21.14
Nathan Pile
um

54:23.80
Nathan Pile
and and appreciate it for what it is, give thanks for what it is, and then live into it. ah So I like that. I like your question here, and I know you've taken it from Scripture, as you always do.

54:36.30
Nathan Pile
um But that word of honor is a reminder that it is a gift given to us. not a gift Not a gift that I give myself, but rather a gift that God gives to me.

54:44.62
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

54:50.07
Nathan Pile
and And that distinction, I don't know why today, that feels important. That might help me to hold on to it maybe a little bit but better.

54:55.36
Kevin Shock
yeah even,

54:59.59
Kevin Shock
Yeah, even even when... ah Yeah, even just what you said there, that thinking of... um That that word helps you to think of Sabbath as a gift, not an obligation, is ah is a huge thing.

55:13.10
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

55:14.69
Kevin Shock
there's There's God giving us permission to but put everything that um ails us and troubles us and occupies our time aside.

55:25.87
Kevin Shock
and just be, yeah.

55:28.19
Nathan Pile
so

55:34.83
Kevin Shock
Um, and anything else I, I kind of got lost in the, in the delineation between your commenting on my answer and your answer to the question. I think, I think that, yeah, no, I thought that you got it in there, but ah and just wanted to make sure.

55:43.67
Nathan Pile
it's all It's all there together. It's all there together. I'm feeling all right about it. yeah I'm feeling all right about it. I think my key piece that was my answer is that word honor.

55:51.76
Kevin Shock
and Okay. Okay.

55:55.19
Kevin Shock
Honor.

55:55.27
Nathan Pile
And how do I

55:55.51
Kevin Shock
Yeah. Yep.

55:57.73
Nathan Pile
recognizing again that it's a gift and it's not a gift given to me by my supervisors, um, at my job. It's not, um, something I give myself.

56:10.20
Nathan Pile
It is something that God has given us. Um, and it, and it gets, and it's definitely not a gift that only Nathan is given.

56:13.69
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm.

56:18.23
Nathan Pile
It's not a you, singular. It is a you, you all.

56:20.95
Kevin Shock
Right.

56:23.45
Kevin Shock
Mm-hmm. Yeah, good, good. All right, well, some additional text then that you can look at if ah if reading the section of ah Isaiah 58 doesn't give you enough to think and talk about.

56:37.72
Kevin Shock
um I don't know how that would be the case, but anyway, some ah yeah some additional text that you could look at.

56:42.84
Nathan Pile
We've easily filled an hour.

56:47.63
Kevin Shock
Psalm 103 verses 1 through 8. The Lord crowns you with mercy and steadfast love. Uh, from Hebrews 12 verses 18 through 29, you have come to the city of the living God and to Jesus.

57:01.82
Kevin Shock
Uh, Luke 13 verses 10 through 17, Jesus heals a crippled woman on the Sabbath and is condemned. Uh, there's a good, there's a good partner, ah text to the one we just looked at that, uh, right, right.

57:15.75
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

57:16.97
Kevin Shock
You can't, yeah, don't, don't do things that are, uh,

57:17.23
Nathan Pile
Huh.

57:20.99
Kevin Shock
Don't do work on the Sabbath. Well, what if what if work liberates someone? That definitely fits into the Sabbath category.

57:25.38
Nathan Pile
Right. Right.

57:29.98
Kevin Shock
And then our um semi-continuous text, the text that look at Hebrew scripture throughout the summer, ah Jeremiah chapter 1 verses 4 through 10 is Jeremiah's call to be a prophet.

57:30.06
Nathan Pile
Yeah.

57:41.40
Kevin Shock
And Psalm 71 verses 1 through 6, from my mother's womb, you have been my strength. ah We hope that you have time to reflect. maybe ah Maybe you listen to this podcast on your Sabbath or as an active Sabbath. And so if this is something that helps you to honor ah the gifts that God gives you in life and and reflect on those things, then we're we're grateful that that's the case.

58:06.41
Kevin Shock
And um as Nathan and I reflect with one another, we always look forward to ah being together and having these discussions. And we hope to tend our faith with you all, plural you again soon.

58:22.46
Kevin Shock
Grace to you.

58:24.07
Nathan Pile
And peace.