Kara 0:00

Hey everybody, this is Kara.

SPEAKER_03 0:01

I'm Deja.

Ed 0:03

And this is Ed and your day's dumpster fire. Yeah, that's right.

Kara 0:36

Sure nailed that intro.

Ed 0:38

Uh it's beautiful.

Kara 0:40

I agree. I think it was pretty solid.

Ed 0:42

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if anybody in the audience uh has missed their medications, they're they'll they'll quickly discover that there are two female voices on here, or Kara has multiple personality disorder.

Kara 1:00

The world we never know. I'm kidding.

Ed 1:04

I'm kidding. Or Deja can just introduce yourself. Yeah, let's do that instead.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

Hi, I'm Deja. And um here I am.

Ed 1:14

Yep.

Kara 1:16

There we've got it. It's me. So, world, you now have three teachers talking at you instead of just two.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

Yeah, I am.

Ed 1:26

Oh, go ahead. You're good. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

I am a fourth or sixth grade teacher. I'm not middle school. I'm I've got a little bit of hope left. Yeah.

Kara 1:34

You're not as crazy as we are.

Ed 1:35

Well, and I well, I mean, I I want to say crazy. She just hasn't seen the amount of failure that a middle school teacher goes through on a minute-by-minute basis.

Kara 1:49

On our part, mind.

Ed 1:51

Yeah, it's the stuff that we screw up on.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

Actually, me. It's I'm the problem here. Exactly. Exactly. I just want to clarify this. Because a lot of our students do listen to us. Hey guys. How's it going? Miss ya.

Ed 2:07

Yeah. Hey class. Yeah, actually, I found out, Kara, that we actually I we have a couple of kids in our class, our our middle school class that listen to us. Yeah. So I it's literally like half our audience are students.

Kara 2:21

I take that as a parents. And yeah, you're right. And their parents. Hey guys, we appreciate you.

Ed 2:26

Well, I had I had one parent come up to me. This was like the first week of school. A parent came up to me and they're like, Yeah, my my my my daughter tells me that you you you have a podcast. Sure do Day's Dempster Fire. And she's like, Oh my god, I've I've never met a podcaster before. I she she thought that I was like Joe Rogan. Like she thought that I, you know, I I I I was a celebrity. I'm like, no, no, we we you know we have about a half a dozen listeners and it's great.

SPEAKER_03 3:02

I think that's look, that's more than me. So I'm just throwing that out there.

Ed 3:06

Well, no, you're you're part of this mess, so you get to partake in the the glam and glory and the the fashion of being a podcaster.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Oh, the gatsby of it all. It's it is interesting. I'm learning a lot.

Ed 3:22

Especially about talking into a mic.

Kara 3:25

Yeah, oh yeah, here. Yeah, guys, okay. Just so you were aware, Deja and Ed spent like a solid 15 to 20 minutes just talking about how to position the microphone while I'm waiting.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

Okay, look, and in our defense, it's really important when you are talking. That is live. It's a very fair point. We don't need judgment today, Kara. Sorry.

Ed 3:53

Well, I don't know. It's not so much a fair point, as much as that I am such an audio Karen.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

I'm an audio Karen. That's what I am. Like you should have heard the gasp. The gasp when you heard my voice so clearly.

Ed 4:10

Oh, yeah, when you got that, when you got your your voice box right up to the mic, and I'm like, wow, that I've tried so hard. This is the reason why I've spent hundreds of dollars on this microphone, is to try to get that effect, and then all you have to do is be like up to the mic. Hey guys.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

Thanks, stepdad. You're doing it again.

Ed 4:33

Yes. All right. So what kind of wait? Well, we we we we we now that we have Deja on here, and Deja, well, the three of us could sit down and write a book about trash can fires. I feel like if there's three human beings on the face of this planet that has seen well-laid plans of mice and men just go up in smoke, it's us. And Deja is a triumvirant here that can really really take it to the next level. So I'm curious, Deja, what what what do you have as a our honorary uh co-host here, Tri-Host? What yeah, Tri-Host. Yeah, there we go. What do you what do you have for a trash can fire?

SPEAKER_03 5:22

Well, just like the smallest pot fire. I was freaking out today because Kara gave me 24 hours to figure out what I was gonna say from my trash can fire. So that's a small little pot that I had to put out. Um was enough time. No, not when you're typing. Um so let's a little bit of background on me. I have a lot of brothers and I have a lot of boy cousins, and with brothers came sports. I was 12 years old at the time, and my oldest brother's five years older than me, so 17. And I wanted to be one of the boys so badly. I just wanted to play football so bad. And for the longest time, I was like, I was like, Trey, please, please, please, please, like, let me play. He's like, no, I'm gonna hurt you. I'm gonna hurt you. You cannot play tackle football. Well, I begged a lot more, and finally he's like, All right, here, put some pads on and uh go that way. So I went that way, and then he went straight full force, no hold back, right into me. Um, a I'm already small, very small. So imagine me at 12 years old, same size. Um, that was not a good I had no soul left, I had nothing left in me. Um, so I just really put myself in such a bad position, knowing full well I will not be alive after this. I'm alive. Here we are.

Ed 6:55

Like I'm wheelchair bound and paralyzed from the forehead down, but other than that, I'm doing great.

SPEAKER_03 7:01

I got a collapsed long, but we're breathing. We're breathing.

Ed 7:06

Hey, you only need one long.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

That's right. What's that song? Um still that, but I'm barely breathing. Oh yeah. There you go. See?

Kara 7:15

Theme psyched. I like it.

Ed 7:17

What a what a perfect, perfect segue into our episode.

Kara 7:21

Actually, yeah, that was great.

Ed 7:23

Yeah.

Kara 7:24

Hey, thanks.

Ed 7:26

So, Carol, what what is our our little show about? Because it's very different than our last episode, which was about inhaling lead fumes. This one I feel like is a completely different um we are in uncharted territory, I guess you could say.

Kara 7:41

Yeah, so uh for this one it's a little bit more lighthearted than some of the ones that we've done in the past. Um we decided to do two or three failures, not uh failures or funny things in the music industry. Um, so the three of us went down some rabbit holes to first of all figure out what kind of failure we wanted to talk about, and second of all, how funny can the failure be? And I think the three of us landed on some pretty good ones. So um it's it's not like a full-fledged episode of a single topic, it's more like a little vignette of three topics that are smaller.

Ed 8:22

I I I I I I sorry, uh didn't mean to for it.

SPEAKER_03 8:26

No, you're okay.

Ed 8:27

Um I think it's one of those things where if you are a musician, you are part of part of your salary or job description is to take things to another level. You've got to like okay, you look at Lady Gaga, incredible voice, incredible talent. Um, but it's just not the same if you don't show up to a Grammys wearing a meat dress. That oh I like Yeah, it it it's or or you could take somebody like okay, Marilyn Manson, got a fair amount of talent, but it's just not Marilyn Manson unless you're showing up as Marilyn Manson. Like, absolutely and I feel like it when when it comes to being a music performer, especially a concert performer, you you've got to come up with something that sets yourself apart. Let's just say you run a really, really high risk of not only filling that dumpster full of trash and dumping 50 gallons of fuel on it, but you're also going to be the guy that will throw the match into it while you are still standing in it, and up it goes.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

Yeah. Absolutely. You're not wrong.

Ed 9:41

So there I feel like there this could be a recurring episode.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

There's so yeah, there's so there's so many out there that oh, full episode on one person's failures.

Kara 9:53

Oh, easy, easy. I found one on Elvis that I almost did, and I was like, I'll save that in the back pocket.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

That one's a that I'm I want that.

Kara 10:03

Yeah, next time.

Ed 10:04

Yeah, I'm kind of curious about that. I I don't I haven't followed too much Elvis in my time.

Kara 10:10

Yeah, that next time. I wanted to save that one for a good day.

Ed 10:14

Um, yeah, we'll wait till the sacking of Rome and then we'll do Elvis.

Kara 10:18

Exactly. We have to wait until we hit Byzantine Empire or Middle Ages in Europe. That's how it goes. That's how it's been all school year, just so everybody knows. I am literally at the moment that I have been waiting for all school year. It's so funny. I've got children to know how excited I am.

Ed 10:38

Well, it it's just so funny because I'm a huge Roman Republic, Roman Empire fanatic, and my mindset is like, okay, we will start Rome in January, and then we will finish up at the end of April, and then Carrie, you've got middle ages after that. Yeah, you got two and a half weeks figured out, and meanwhile, Kara's like, no, no, no, we're starting Middle Ages in January, and you've got the last week of May to cover Rome.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

You thought, buddy.

Ed 11:15

Yeah, it's it's been a bit of a slug fest in our little middle school room.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

Yeah. Sorry. It's great. I you know, I I go in there for some happiness. So you guys are doing great. You guys make me smile.

Ed 11:30

Yeah, it's uh you just never know what you're walking into.

Kara 11:33

True that.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

At all.

Kara 11:35

Time lapses are generally being made during these conversations as well, just so you guys are aware. Time lapses of us are made, and then they all watch it when we're moving very, very fast on the recording.

SPEAKER_03 11:46

Apparently, it's the funniest thing in the world. I I think so. I can't wait to see when I asked them to show me. Yes, ask them and they will show you.

Ed 11:54

I I think the most famous one is when Kara and I were cause were we were discussing like the causes of the American Civil War. They like we I didn't know that they were doing a time-lapse of us the entire time, but you know, the class was pretty quiet. They were just listening to us discuss it, and then when they like replay it, it looks like Kara and myself were like Doctor Strange, like opening up portals, and we got our arms flying everywhere. Yeah, it was like Doctor Strange versus Doctor Strange, all for 20 seconds of a 35-minute conversation.

Kara 12:31

Yeah, it's great.

Ed 12:33

It's important.

Kara 12:33

Um, anyway, so here's how this is gonna go. I'm gonna talk about this song/slash science social experiment. And then Deja, what are you gonna talk about?

SPEAKER_03 12:44

I'm gonna talk about For Galicious.

Kara 12:47

Excellent. And Ed, what are you gonna talk about?

Ed 12:49

Well, I am very ill-prepared, but if we have time left, I will try to quickly go over uh D. Snyder from Twisted Sister, who wrote We Ain't Gonna Take It. And like it seemed like all these parent groups, including Al Gore and his wife and everybody, went after the famous uh filthy 15. These were uh bands and music producers that they deemed were like the worst of society and wanted to censor them. But then a dude comes in wearing makeup jeans, a tank top, and wild hair delivers one of the most amazing speeches in music history and just absolutely destroys the politicians.

Kara 13:42

Sick.

Ed 13:43

So I if there's time left, I'm gonna cover it. If not, we can make it its own episode. But I I honestly don't know anything about Fergie, and I know very little about this most unwanted song. So I'm all ears.

Kara 13:58

Alright, cool. Okay, so I'll start. We're gonna talk about a song called The People's Choice, the Most Unwanted Song. It was created in 1997 by two guys, two artists named Vitali Komar and Alexander Malamade. Malamade? I'm so sorry, dude. I'm trying. Anyway, the project started from a similar one done before, probably around '94, called The People's Choice, The Most Wanted Painting and the Most Unwanted Painting. So it started as a painting project. And what they did was they organized a public survey, and on their survey were different aspects of painting and art that people liked and didn't like, right? It's like a basic survey that you would take. And out of that, they released a book called Comar and Melamid's Scientific Guide to Art in 1997. So basically what they're doing is they're they're taking all the general aspects of this public survey that the public likes and dislikes, and they make paintings out of it. And they made it a book and then they released it. Their goal of all of this was to show that the general public could hold a respectable opinion of art, and people don't have to be art snobs to appreciate or separate the good art from the bad art. So it was kind of like trying to prove that the general public can understand art the same way an art critic can understand art. You don't need to be a genius to figure it out. So after they did this and they sold some copies or whatever, they met with a composer and neuroscientist named David Soldier. And he's actually a pretty interesting dude. He's still doing stuff. The three of them decided to do the same exact experiment, but using music instead of painting. And you can find the survey from 1995 on David Soldier's website. If you want to check it out, I downloaded it and I read through it just kind of out of curiosity. And it's a general survey, almost like something that you would get on a college campus. You know, professors are handing out surveys or students are handing out surveys and that kind of thing. It's something very similar to that. And it's asking questions like what's your favorite instrument? How long do you prefer a song to be? Do you have a preference in how loud the music is or versus how quiet the music is, how fast it goes, all that kind of stuff, right? So it's it's it's actually rather detailed. It doesn't just ask you what your favorite genre is and who's your favorite band. Like, no, it's it's actually pretty, pretty darn detailed. Um, so the results for the most wanted song came out to be a compilation of three to ten musical instrument combos. In the survey, what they did is they had like a list of 20 different instruments, and then you would circle your top five, and then they would take the average of these all of these people, like hundreds of people, and have different pairings for things. Really interesting the way they did it. And the instrument combos primarily, almost always, included electric guitar, cello, piano, saxophone, bass guitar, drums, violin, and human voices singing well with like a lower pitch or a lower range, which was interesting. Like is I guess. Remember, this is 95. Are you really saying that's well?

Ed 17:04

Yeah. This is like this is like the height of Yanni and John Tesh.

Kara 17:08

Yes. What? That's singing well. Singing well. Well, got it.

Ed 17:14

Singing well, like nice voices, not singing goodly, yeah, but well.

Kara 17:20

Right.

Ed 17:23

How many instruments did they like cap it off at? Like you know, if they're interview or if they're if they're surveying all these people and they're trying to figure out, okay, what are the top instruments? Well, did they pick like the top 50? Did they just say like, nope, this is the we're gonna pick five, and that's all we're gonna go with? Like, do you know how they structured what they're gonna take from it?

Kara 17:46

I'm opening the survey. Pause.

Ed 17:48

Got it.

Kara 17:49

Because it's like the first question on the survey. Here we go. It says, please circle your three favorite musical instruments, and there's a solid like 15 instruments on here. I can list them if you want me to list them. Uh violin, cello, flute, clarinet, oboe, bassoon, tuba, guitar, bass, piano, saxophone, harp, mandolin, harpsichord, drums, synthesizer, bagpipe, trombone, piccolo, french horn, xylophone, bongos, organ, trumpet, banjo, harmonica, accordion, and oh god help me. Balaika. Oh. And some weird one. Plus, there's an option for other.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Say that one more time. Balaika.

Kara 18:30

I don't know that instrument.

Ed 18:31

How do you spell it?

Kara 18:32

How do you spell it? B-A-L-A-L-A-I-K-A.

Ed 18:36

Balaika.

Kara 18:38

Thank you. Yep. Like that.

Ed 18:40

Yeah, it's like a it's like a guitar. Uh and the only reason why I know this is because I have extensive knowledge of Wikipedia. And it is a a balaika is a Russian-stringed musical instrument with the characteristic triangular wooden hollow body, fretted, and three strings.

Kara 18:58

Yeah, cool.

Ed 19:00

Yep, because the communists took the other other one, so it could only have three.

Kara 19:04

Good deal. Um, at the end of that question, question two, it says, My most favorite of all musical instruments is blank. My least favorite musical instrument is blank, and I also hate the blank and the blank.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

That's really interesting. Yeah.

Kara 19:22

And then it goes on and it says, My favorite duration for a musical composition is up to three minutes, three to ten minutes, or over ten minutes. I prefer listening to a music at a volume most people consider quiet, moderate, or loud. I prefer music that is fast, slow, or medium speed, like the tempo. My favorite music tends to be performed by one or two performers, three to ten performers, or over ten performers. So they're they're almost like saying, Do you like individual singers, a band, or like an orchestra?

Ed 19:55

Wow. So it's almost like he wrote the survey as a narrative. Yeah, almost like an ad lib. All you gotta do is just kind of like fill in the blanks rather than asking somebody, hey, what's your favorite song?

Kara 20:10

Which Yeah, it's more it's pretty detailed.

Ed 20:14

Yeah, that's that's an interesting way of writing a survey. I like that.

Kara 20:18

I'll share it with you. Yeah, I do too. That's interesting. This one's my favorite. My favorite song subject is about a holidays or Christmas music. Love dancing, politics, religion, a story, or cowboys. Same.

Ed 20:38

All of that in one. I do love me my holiday country political music.

Kara 20:43

Oh yeah.

unknown 20:44

Love it.

Kara 20:45

And then it asks about where you like to listen to music. I prefer listening to music that has singing or no singing. High woman voices, low woman voices, children. I yeah. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Um, and then the end is like, thank you for allowing us to profile you. But that's a survey in a nutshell. And it is cool. You can go to David Solz's website and find it. All right. So the results for the wanted song, we went over the instruments, the lyrics for the wanted song created off of the survey were were. Can you guess what they were about? Walmart? That's the unwanted song. Oh, yeah.

Ed 21:21

I would I I would say love.

Kara 21:24

Yes, it's love.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

Oh yeah, that one. Yeah. Love, Walmart, it's the same thing.

Kara 21:30

Yeah. Um, I listened to the wanted song, and it does sound like a generic song from the late 80s, early 90s. It's it's fine. It's fine.

Ed 21:40

Just this let me know, Kara, when you want me to cue it. I can um I can try to play a sample of both songs.

Kara 21:48

I don't know if we're allowed.

Ed 21:50

I think if it's below a certain amount of seconds, it's okay. I'll I'll I'll dig into it. Double check maybe. Yeah. I mean it's It's not like it's not like the Recording Industry Association of America is listening to our podcast. So we could probably play everything and be fine until we get sued.

Kara 22:12

Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. Anyway, okay. So the unwanted song. This is the fun one. I had Deja listen to it this morning. All right. Yeah. Deja, what was your opinion on the unwanted song? All right.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Let's unpack 20 minutes real quick. All right. So it's 20 minutes. Uh-huh. Perfect amount of time for one. Perfect amount of time. It is pretty solid. A whole experiment went by and I had so much fun listening to it that I couldn't even. I okay. So my feelings towards this song are confused, uncomfortable, overstimulated, uh-huh. And confused.

Kara 22:51

Perfect. That's it. All right. Good deal. Ed, you listened to like 15 minutes of it.

Ed 22:57

Yeah. The way Enough said. He's like, oh. Like the the the way that it was composed, it reminded me of you find five five-year-olds scattered across the whole world. And like you have one in in like Africa, you have one in Europe, another one in China, another one in America, another one in Antarctica. Like, and you take these. Yeah, yeah. You've got you you you've got a rep, which is sad because more than likely, if that actually existed, where we had those five five-year-olds get together, they'd probably make a lot more sense than what's going on today globally. But let's say you get those five kids, you put them in a room, and you give them this gigantic symphony of instruments, and then you tell those five kids, okay, go make your favorite song.

SPEAKER_03 24:02

Kara, you know, remember when we um went on that field trip to the mem?

Kara 24:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

Remember where that that entire room was filled with instruments of all sorts? And all the children knew this area.

Kara 24:17

Yeah, and all the children played so well. That's kind of like yeah, they knew what was coming. Exactly. Yeah, I guess that's perfect.

Ed 24:28

That that's the only way I could describe that song. It was it was a classic symphony of a whole bunch of people who have no idea what they're doing, but they're all producing an individual sound that they think is the most incredible in the world.

Kara 24:44

Got it. Alright, here are the deets of that song. So the unwilling song does feature Walmart. It also features numerous instruments, such as an accordion, bagpipes, a harp, the banjo, the flute, a tuba, the organ, I'm pretty sure I heard a donkey in there, and a synthesizer. That is the one instrument which I found interesting. The synthesizer was the one instrument that appears on both songs. It had enough overlap in the public opinion to be on both songs. Remember, early 90s. 90s. Sounds like an 80s song.

Ed 25:25

The 90s of it all.

Kara 25:27

Yep. There is also an opera singer who happens to sing and rap. Well, at least she tries to rap. I don't know if I would call it. I think that's what it is. It's it's an attempt. Opera rap. Opera rap. It's great.

Ed 25:43

Which I think by itself would be like if you just had the one singer by itself, it would be a funny parody. Like a weirdo Yankee. Yeah.

Kara 25:54

I could see, I could see that. Anything else, no.

Ed 25:57

Yeah, like like an Amish Paradise kind of a thing. Like I I could see that working, but when I listen to it with like the bagpipes in the background, and then it had a country beat that that dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun.

Kara 26:13

Yeah, the song starts with doo doo doo doo doo, and then you have an accordion happening at the same time. Oh, and now in the very beginning, hold on, we'll get there. In the very beginning, it starts with a harp and it sounds like a fantasy movie, you know, like Labyrinth or something. And then it goes into the cowboy thing, right? Then we get the opera singer who's rapping, and then we and then we get children singing very badly about random holidays. Holidays.

SPEAKER_04 26:43

Yeah.

Kara 26:44

One holiday. It starts with Christmas, and then they talk about how great Yom Kippur is. And then they also just really needed to include Labor Day. That was very important. Labor Day. Oh, they have Veterans Day. Oh, they did have Veterans Day as well. I think they had Ramaka, they had Ramadan, they had uh Kwanzaa in there as well. Um, they were all very inclusive, which I appreciate.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

But yeah, very progressive of them.

Kara 27:12

Yeah. Children singing badly about how great these holidays are. This is an absolute.

Ed 27:17

This is like a a human version of going on to an AI website and typing in all these instruments and all these voices and all these themes. This is exactly what I'm saying. I may do that. I I I may go in and take the results of this survey and put that into an AI and say, make a 22-minute long song about this.

Kara 27:40

I bet you this song will be better than the 22-minute AI song.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

The song, the song reminds me of um being in uh a preschool room for of too much of my life. And if I were to take every holiday that we have a song for and put it all in one, along with every single child I've ever taught, that's the song. Plus Walmart.

Kara 28:06

And then I was yes, after the holiday songs, every single holiday advertisement jingle, they say shop at Walmart, every single one. Every time, every time. I don't know why, but it's wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

I don't like Walmart, but I think that is the best.

Kara 28:24

But it's a great little addition. And then I don't know if you guys caught it, but they also have elevator music in there somewhere for good measure. Oh, a little bit of Durand Duran. Is that what you're talking about? I don't think it's that good. It's worse. I like Durandoran. I'm not gonna hate on Durand Duran. But elevator music along with that, and then the tempo is, I think, what's anxiety-inducing because it starts slow and it goes really fast and then it goes slow, and then it gets quiet, and then it goes fast, and then it goes slow. And the volume, the way they produced it, it gets quiet and then it gets really loud, and then it gets quiet, and then it gets really loud. What's the name of this song again? It's called The Most Unwanted Song. Right. Makes sense. Yes.

Ed 29:12

I'm looking at the sheet music of it.

unknown 29:15

Oh god.

Ed 29:16

And there's all these different segments of it. Amazing. Like, yeah, I'm I'm, you know, just nerding out in the sheet music here. Yep. Uh section number four is called the bagpipe slam.

Kara 29:30

Oh, yes. And that's exactly what it is. It's how it feels in your brain.

Ed 29:35

But it's the description that kills me. So the description is it's a bagpipe solo, but everyone plays and kid screams.

Kara 29:45

I knew I heard screaming in there somewhere. I knew it.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

Oh dear. That's I mean, if I heard a description that was on point, that's the one.

Kara 29:59

So all of this, just remember. There it goes. Oh my god. That's the one. There it is. There it is. Remember, this was all done on purpose. It is purposefully done bad. Um, if you go on to David Soldier's website and you read through like his results and his conclusions and stuff, at the end of the unwanted song, he writes, quote, fewer than 200 people of the world's total population would enjoy this piece. Unquote.

Ed 30:40

There's the dumpster fire.

Kara 30:42

There it is. There it is. So when they made this in the 90s, the goal was to make a song that nobody would like. Well, I don't think they were prepared for internet culture because if you look at this song on Reddit or any social media that has it floating around somewhere, everybody loves it and they love it a lot more than the most wanted song. I'll tell you that. Like I encourage everybody to look for it, find a Reddit thread, and everybody's like, I like this more than the wanted song. This is actually kind of fun. Um, one one commenter compared it to The Room, that movie, The Room. I don't know if anybody has seen that movie, but it is so aggressively, grossly bad that it's a cult classic. It's kind of what this song is doing. If if nobody's seen The Room, please go watch it.

Ed 31:37

Oh, it it is so bad, it's amazing.

Kara 31:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

I don't know. Is this movie um is it a scary movie? No, it's just cringy.

Kara 31:47

Yeah. I've never heard of this movie then. It it's epic cringe. And in fact, when I was working side side side story, when I was working in uh West Hollywood at the deli, um the guy who made that movie was a regular. He would come in once a week and he would get sliced turkey, sliced on a one, I think, or maybe a little bit thinner, and then he'd leave and then he'd come back. And he has the same accent that he has in his movies. That is not fake, ladies and gentlemen. That is a real thing he does. But super nice guy. I mean, super nice guy. I I have nothing bad to say about that guy.

Ed 32:22

The issue is that he has like the wrong inflection to everything. It's like it's like watching original Star Trek with Captain Kirk, where and Captain Kirk isn't anywhere nearly as bad as this guy, but you know how Captain Kirk likes to pause in between individual words.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

That was fun.

Ed 32:47

Yeah. Yeah. You're welcome. That lives rent-free in your head for the rest of your life. Forever. That that's kind of how uh that movie, the room, was like. It is just like it there's no cadence, there's no flow. Yeah, there's like in every movie, there's a degree of flow. Flow. This is no flow. It's like if you will. Yeah, it's like vomiting. Where you just don't know what's gonna come up next.

Kara 33:20

Oh, hi Mark. Um, all right. So just to top it off, to prove my point, in class today, I decided to do a social experiment with my students, and I didn't tell them what I was going to play. I just wrote on the board, well, first and most importantly, I wrote the hamster's name because they needed to vote on the hamster name. But then after that, most important was song number one and song number two. And I was like, I'm gonna show you two songs, and I want to know which one you liked more. Okay. I played the first song, and they're like, uh, it's fine, I guess. Like, I think I've heard it before, type of thing, you know, that kind of response. The second song was the unwanted song, and that one, I got some chuckles when it first started with the harp. And then the opera started, and their eyes got really big and they started to laugh. And then the bagpipes started. And that's when I had students running across the room to the music. I had some students dancing to it. Um needless to say, our middle school students quite enjoyed the unwanted song that was supposed to be ugly and hated forever, much more than the most wanted song. So there it is in your in your dumpster fire. Internet culture has ruined David Soldier's conclusion. Sorry, David.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

I need to play this for my class. I need to play both of them. I didn't I didn't end up playing it for them, but I want to see their reaction because playing the best day ever by Spongebob while Ed is walking into the classroom, they love that. Nice.

Ed 35:00

I was uh I I I was looking up some of the uh sales records of the unwanted song. I I cannot find a source that confirms it or corroborates it, but apparently that song in all its glory has gone platinum.

SPEAKER_03 35:18

Yes! That does not surprise me. The amount of views it probably has on YouTube just solely because people need to figure out what's happening.

Kara 35:28

Yeah, let's check out how many views it has. Like four of them are mine, but let's three of them are mine now.

Ed 35:36

Uh yeah, I mean I'm placing an order for from Amazon for the CD.

Kara 35:40

Oh, please do.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

I'm getting the vinyl.

Kara 35:43

Oh, that's taking it back. Yeah. Okay.

Ed 35:46

I thought I was taking it back with the CD.

Kara 35:48

On YouTube, this song has it's been up for 11 years, and it has 1.7 million views. All right. All right. Digest. Just digest that a little bit.

Ed 36:02

So I on that note, I uh I have a uh true story here, real quick. Um, I'm not gonna name the artist, but um, let's just say he's very popular, and I'm I'm in the middle of writing a book, and I don't know if the book is any good, I don't know if it's gonna sell, I I don't know any of that stuff. I don't even know what's gonna get published. But this is the only song that I ever bought from this artist where it is like five minutes of a beat, and it has like a barber's quartet in the background kind of singing to this hip-hop beat, and then all of a sudden it stops, and then it goes, it's just this artist saying scoopity-woop poopity-poop.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Amazing. Oh, that sounds like one of my students.

Ed 36:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:47

Going across the classroom.

Ed 36:49

That this this record has gone like double, if not triple platinum.

Kara 36:54

I feel like I know who this is. I'm gonna look it up. I won't, I won't rat them out, but I'm curious.

Ed 36:59

Yeah. So I will I I bought that track. I I bought I I paid the $2 from Google. I bought that so that I could play it out loud whenever I want.

SPEAKER_04 37:11

Beautiful.

Ed 37:11

Because when I'm sitting across the desk from a publisher who looks at my book and says, This isn't published, this isn't published grade stuff. I'm gonna play that song where all the lyrics is, is a scoopity-woop poopity-poop.

SPEAKER_03 37:26

Oh, I see who it is. I got it. Okay. Yeah. I mean it tracks. That tracks.

Ed 37:32

Yeah, sure. Yeah, he's he's a little he's he's he's eccentric.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

He's there. He's he's he's out there, he's there, he's unique.

Ed 37:41

Yeah, it's so like special. If that action gets published, but my book doesn't, I'm gonna play that song. And I'm probably gonna play this song. I'm gonna make that editor sit and listen to the most unwanted song for 22 minutes. Like I would love that. If you have an opera singer singing about country music while kids are singing about their favorite holiday of Labor Day with bagpipes and a horn in the background.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

Yeah. All right. I think I th okay, so hear me out. I think I can get this done. So I can I can try to do the opera. Okay. It will not execute the way that it should sound, but I can definitely attempt.

Kara 38:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Um, the little one can be the screaming child because that's natural, and he just does it. I can just record him.

Kara 38:36

True. You do have a toddler at home.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

Yep, and he screams a lot. Yeah. Um, not like Ramadan. He's not saying like that, but he's he's definitely saying mean things that make me frustrated. But I don't know how to play the bagpipes, but I have YouTube. I think everyone learns from there now. But I I got this. See you Monday.

Kara 39:01

Let's just say it it doesn't have to be played well. We can try our we'll do our best.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

No one said I was gonna do it well.

Ed 39:09

See, we can yeah, anybody can ride a horse, just to what degree?

Kara 39:14

Right. How many times that we fall off? That doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

Save a horse, ride a cowboy. That song, you know.

Ed 39:23

Unless you're unless you're a Christopher Reeves, then you only ride a horse one time. Oh and then after that it's a wheelchair.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

Or my dad.

Ed 39:34

I'm I'm actually gonna hop on AI this weekend and see if I can recreate this song.

Kara 39:38

Please do. Let me know how it goes. I would love that. I'm actually genuinely curious to see what human ingenuity comes up with back in the 90s versus a computer.

Ed 39:50

I mean, don't forget Drip City. Drip City is the very, very first techno song ever recorded.

Kara 39:56

Yes.

Ed 39:57

And it was it was I think it was back in the 50s or early 60s, where this guy took a pie tin and he just dropped water onto the pie tin with a microphone underneath it. And all he did is record water dripping on a pie tin for like five minutes, and then he took that magnetic film that everything was recorded on, and from there he manipulated that drip sound into a in the an entire song that is it's got a rhythm, it's got beat, it's got a chorus, it's got everything, and it's called Dripsity, and it's it's it is considered the first techno song ever.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

I really think it's so interesting. What I really like when artists do it, they like take just objects around them and they make music from it. There is this band that I have listened to, and I won't say the name because some of their songs aren't very appropriate, but um in one of their videos they use, you know, those little old um those little farm clock things. You'd put the thing down and it goes up and it's like a cuckoo clock. That that's the thing of the toy. Wow, they use that in in the song, but it doesn't sound like that, you know? It's really cool. I'll have to show you guys, but it's super neat. I think that's I always think that's really cool.

Kara 41:25

Yeah, sounds cool. I think it sounds cool.

Ed 41:27

I I just find it funny how somebody actively tried to go out and be like, okay, guys, this is what the worst sound or worst song in the world sounds like, and then it it it turns into a hit.

Kara 41:37

Yeah. I think it's a really cool social experiment. Like I was gonna say that too, yeah. Like psychology-wise and scientifically speaking, I think it's a really cool social experiment to see how many people listen to mainstream music of the time period versus how many people hate something.

Ed 41:54

Well, it and and to me it brings me back to my uh my when I took sociology in college, there's a sociological idea of like what is a deviant person? And we had to take the survey, like, and it it was like the exact opposite of this. It asked you, do you find do you think you're a deviant person? And most people were like, of course not. And so like everybody said that no, I'm not deviant, but then the next survey was asking about like guilty pleasures. Like, do you are you okay with passing gas in public? Do you pick your nose in front of other people? Do you burp in public? Have you ever laughed at a racist joke? Have you like, you know, it it it asks a lot of these other questions where people are like, yeah, actually I have done this and I've done that, and blah blah blah blah blah. And the basic conclusion is that no individual human being believes that they're a deviant, but as a whole, every single human being is deviant. And I think that partially explains why the most unwanted song is so popular.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

It's like that unattractive attractiveness. Yeah. You know, like a model. Sometimes you get models who are kind of like, you're like, oh, okay. Oh yeah, okay. She is cute. Yeah, she's pretty, you know. There's but High Fashion really likes models who are kind of interesting looking or like different looking or like have an extreme feature, like a very narrow jaw or like massive lips or big ears, you know. They actually kind of like that for some appealing reason.

Ed 43:32

Um that is the logic that my wife had before marrying me. Uh-huh. There's there's something about this guy. Uh he just doesn't look right, but I'm willing to give it a try.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

Let's let's try this. Let's try this thing out. Something else.

Kara 43:52

You guys see that Hey Arnold episode where Helga becomes uh a model? I sure have. That's funny. Her Helga's a model and she has a bad attitude, but everybody loves her. It's it's like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

It's the unibrow. I swear.

Kara 44:10

I think it's her attitude. It's all charisma.

Ed 44:14

Well, there's that there is that supermod up there where she has that skin condition where like she's very dark complexion, but she also has white patches on her.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

And it's like a big thing now. People are like embracing it so much, which is pretty cool.

Ed 44:30

Yeah, it it is. And and and I think that this most unwanted song it is playing up on everybody's humanity's ability to be like, okay, this is a train wreck, but I appreciate the train wreck. In a way, like it's it's not bad. Now I think it would go the other way around, where let's say Soldier was trying to make this be the greatest song ever, and he poured his heart and soul into this thing, and he had marketed it as like, yeah, guys, this song is this is it. This is the song to end all songs. Then I feel like this would just blow up in his face and ruin his career and and all that. So I guess it it all depends on how you market it.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

Yeah.

Kara 45:19

I can see that.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

Yeah, yeah. There's a science behind like frequencies too, what attracts people to like certain pitch frequent frequencies and whatnot. So it's very interesting to look at that from like a science point of view, too.

Ed 45:33

Yeah. No, that's uh that's one for the books. I I never I I would have never heard of this before until now, especially when this took place in 1995.

SPEAKER_03 45:45

Where I was being born.

Ed 45:47

Yeah, yeah. You were you were being born. Kara, you were what, four? Three.

SPEAKER_04 45:53

Yeah.

Ed 45:54

Meanwhile, I'm staying up at 10 o'clock at night with my mom trying to fix the rabbit ears on our television so we could watch PBS. And they would always do those stupid fundraising things. But I remember we finally got the rabbit ears to work, and there was a very, very famous composer at the time, uh, Yanni, and he had announced that he was doing a a concert at the Acropolis. I think it's his most sold album to date, but it's Yanni live at the Acropolis. And I remember watching this because it does. It has a full-on orchestra, it has a full-on uh brass section, it has its own percussion, it has uh it has electric guitar, it has a harp, it has the full range of musical instruments, and my mom and I were just looking at each other like, holy cow, this is absolutely like it had an electronic component. Like, there's no way uh we had ever heard of anything like that before in our lives. And I find it interesting that this, the most unwanted song, came out right around the same time as when like Yanni and John Tesh and all of them were at their height, which used a lot of different modes and styles and themes and instruments. And I wonder, I would I would love to actually interview or talk to Soldier. I may just send him an email and see what happens. He's still alive, right?

Kara 47:25

Who?

Ed 47:25

That soldier guy? Oh, the yeah, the composer.

Kara 47:29

Sorry. Um, I think so. I believe he is, yes.

Ed 47:32

Okay, I'm just gonna shoot him an email.

Kara 47:34

Yeah, shoot him an email and ask him because he's uh he's currently a I'm gonna double check my information here. He's a professor at a university. Okay, uh David Soja.

Ed 47:47

Yeah, I love how Carol's listening to me the entire time talking about this guy, and she's like, who? Who?

SPEAKER_03 47:52

I'm so sorry. Even though it's the topic of her choice.

Kara 47:55

I got you're not wrong. I got distracted because I was reading Deja's notes. Um, he's a professor at Columbia.

Ed 48:03

Interesting.

Kara 48:04

So yeah, he's he's still alive and kicking.

Ed 48:08

It'll be epic if we could get him on the episode or on the show.

Kara 48:11

Sick. We should uh email him. That would be cool.

Ed 48:14

Alright, I'm emailing him. I'm I'm gonna get on that.

Kara 48:17

What's up, David? I would love to talk to that guy. Okay, let's move on to the next one.

SPEAKER_03 48:22

All right, who wants to talk about Fergie?

Kara 48:25

Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Stacy and Stacy Ann Ferguson, aka Fergie. She was married to the love of my life, aka Josh Duhamel, um, for 10 years, so good for her. But they're divorced now, so he's available. Um, I think. Um she's an Aries, if anyone cares. I know there's I don't know. I'm an Aries, so I put that there.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 48:50

Um, all right, so Fergie is a lot of words that I could choose from, but she is very interesting. Definitely one of the most cringy rabbit holes I've ever gone down.

unknown 49:04

Sick.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

I I was a Fergie fan when I was once upon a time, long time ago, when I was like uh uh 10, maybe. Yeah. Um I actually saw this goes for saying her career, but um, I saw her for free at one of our rundown malls here in Arizona.

Kara 49:26

Yay!

SPEAKER_03 49:28

For free. It was a ticket, it was a cricket concert. So there goes that. Uh the worst experience of my life. I'm just gonna be honest. I've never I've I've been to many concerts and I've not been so pained in my life. Not only was it in the middle of June in Arizona outside, but it was just weird, okay? So I think a lot of people have probably seen this video um of Fergie showing off her extreme gymnast skills while singing. That's dripping sarcasm. No, it's not. It's great. I personally okay. Look, in in her defense, I would not be able to do that. I can't even do a cartwheel. So she's already got one up on me. Okay. Doing cartwheels while while singing Barracuda is probably not something I can do. Fergie did that on the Today show. Um, at so early in the morning, it's aggressive. It's like eight o'clock in the morning, and she's over here doing a whole gym set and singing Barracuda and just like and I don't know how the rest of the song goes because that's all I can hear anymore.

Ed 50:51

But like that's all the lyrics. That's that's that's it.

SPEAKER_03 50:54

All she did was cartwheels and that thing. I'm gonna look that video up now.

Ed 51:03

We're still getting sued.

SPEAKER_03 51:05

I I think Fergie's great. Look, milf money all the way. But uh, or no, it's milk money, sorry. Milk money. Yes.

Ed 51:20

Milk like the cow. Not the milk not with an F, but M-I-L-K. Um brings on the voice of the yard.

SPEAKER_03 51:37

No, that's Gwen. We need to pause. Okay. Take a moment to backtrack and correct yourself.

Ed 51:44

That's Gwen edit that out. We'll apparently I triggered something.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

That's on you, buddy. Um so that's all cool. Like she that that was great. Um, great content, lives rent-free for I think so many people. She's got it going on, right? All right, so then we did that. Have you guys heard of Fergie peeing on stage?

Kara 52:13

What? That's new to me. I'm I'm listening, but that's new to me.

Ed 52:17

I I I'm worried because I just googled what is Fergie known for. And let's just say the gifts are disturbing.

SPEAKER_03 52:28

Yeah. I and you'll you'll hear so many great facts about those gifts. I'm so happy for you. Because there's stories behind quiet small picture things. Um gosh. So Fergie pee on stage. All right, and as a mother of two children, I have absolutely no bladder whatsoever. I have to pee all the time. It's just how it goes once you have children. I would I I would do this too. This would ha I would end up peeing on stage too if this were me. So apparently, the backstory behind the pee on stage, Fergie had they were running super late for this show, and I think it was like in London or something, and running super late, chugging water because you gotta stay hydrated when you're doing Cartwheel's singing Barracuda, right? Goes on stage, green, like army green pants, white top, very, very dark pea stain.

Ed 53:42

Oh, that's yep, that's the first thing that came up.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

Yep, and um, flattering as it may be, I don't think Fergie really wanted to pee on stage, but I'm just gonna say this here. As a grown woman, I think I can say, hold off for two minutes. I'm gonna use the Bonio. Yeah, um, just give me a moment and that'll just start without me. Just play the music and I'll come out. Fresh as can be.

Kara 54:10

Fair.

SPEAKER_03 54:10

Yeah, that's logical and reasonable. And then you're you know, it's Fergie. She's doing a whole like Olympic gymnast set on stage. So of course, jumping up and down is gonna make said bladder just not work.

SPEAKER_04 54:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

And and just let go. Um, so that was cool of Fergie.

Ed 54:31

I mean, I I just sent I just sent our little group chat a picture that kind of graphically describes what was going on.

SPEAKER_03 54:43

That is exactly what happened. Oh, yeah. And that's that's that kind of looks like it's a real picture, too. That's interesting. It's really uncomfortable. It's very I don't like it. I'm gonna stop looking at it now. Yeah, I'm gonna stop it. Um so that was cool. Okay, Fergie Pete on stage, great. That I think that was in 2005. Okay, the Cartwheels on stage Barracuda the 28, 2008, not 28, 2008. Okay. Let's go to let's go to her Billboard performance in 2005. This is a very famous video of Fergie running out of breath, out of tune, and I don't know if she was actually singing the words or not. Um Fur for Fergalicious is the song, and there is a part where she sings. No, she raps. I'm sorry, she raps, and she's like, every time I come around, but it's gonna run. That's what she sounded like too. Um is this another one we can YouTube? I think, oh gosh. Um, all of these you can YouTube. Yes. Everyone, every single thing you can uh the ping one. I don't know if we can watch that on YouTube, but there's pictures if anyone's really curious. I don't encourage it. A little scarring. Um the one in the group chat's the actual picture.

Ed 56:10

That one is artist rendition that is very accurate.

SPEAKER_03 56:18

Fergie, okay, look, Fergie has many talents. Right? One of them is jumping and and moving a lot on stage while performing vocally is not right particularly something that she does my like my favorite thing she does, okay? So again, I encourage everyone to watch this. They're in the middle of this performance and she she's like, draw my little ma. I don't want to knock on the other boys when I eat it. Wow.

Ed 56:57

That's sounds like me getting out of the shower.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

That sounds like that's me trying to get out of bed at this point. Oh no. Oh no. Yeah. And I have asthma, so that's not that's not good, okay?

Ed 57:21

Let me let me turn up my amp here so we can get the full effect.

SPEAKER_03 57:29

Just like that, everyone. Oh thank you so much for that. I hope this isn't like blaring anymore. But so that was cool. Rapping, fergie, jumping, singing, no. I think even Will I am made like a slight shoulder look, like, what the hell is she doing? What's going on over there?

Ed 57:49

Homegirl needs an asthma, or like she needs a a um, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:56

Um, not a respirator. What a yeah, and oh, I have an inhaler. Yeah, see, she needs one of these. Yeah. Um, yeah, I use it and it works. Maybe I can I'm gonna try what she did and then I'll tell her how I feel and say you I recommend this.

Kara 58:11

Right. If she's still on stage, that's anyway.

SPEAKER_03 58:15

Well, that goes into our next thanks for the subway, subway. Gotcha. Thanks for the subway.

Ed 58:21

I do like their turkey and ham and bacon.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

Their chocolate chip cookies are pretty good. Um not the sandwiches. Um, anyhow, do you guys remember in 2018 when we had that awesome NBA All-Star game? How Fergie was asked. How can one forget? Yeah, okay, good. Um, I'm not the only one. Trauma bond. Oh, yeah.

Ed 58:48

Um, I'm Googling NBA and what that stands for.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

Not bacon association.

Ed 58:58

Yeah, the National Billiards Association.

SPEAKER_03 59:01

Perfect. You got it.

Ed 59:02

That's what came up.

SPEAKER_03 59:03

We love Pool.

Ed 59:05

There we go. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 59:06

Kara, that's actually come up a couple times today, Pool.

Kara 59:09

Yeah, that's that's like the third time today.

SPEAKER_03 59:11

That's pretty funny. It is. Um also it's from France. Um yeah, not it's not American. It's not American.

SPEAKER_04 59:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:21

We'll have to tell you that story later, Ed. Um anyhow. Okay. So pa the rah pa. It's it's I can't, I can't even try. The best part. I personally, the best part is let's play some basketball.

Ed 59:57

Like people don't even know when the song ended. They're like, home of the home of the brave.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

What study, no, study, please, study that video. Study the video, the footage. Look at every single person other than Fergie. Lips are tight, nostrils are shaking.

Kara 1:00:24

I'm just I just want to say that you saying exactly the way that Ed spoke when he was trying to be Captain Kirk. Like exactly the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

Actually, Fergie is Captain Kirk. Oh, we we cracked it. We did it. Yep. Um, facts. Look it up. Anyway.

Ed 1:00:42

I'm actually watching the video right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:44

I encourage it.

Ed 1:00:46

And you can see the National Guard behind her. They're like, they're kind of like glancing at each other, like, what?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:53

We cannot know. Yeah, and then you see, I don't know any anything about basketball, but you see this guy. He's at the very end, he's just like, I can't do it anymore. Looks down, laughs, can't do it.

Ed 1:01:05

And then Steph Curry. Yeah, yeah. He's looking at the uh the giant screen and he's like rocking back and forth with the most confused look on his face.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

Um, same every time. And and you know, as I was doing this rabbit hole, and you know, we discussed this um this episode, and you guys asked me, and then Kara was like, When you think of celebrity or like music fails, what do you think? I think Fergie was the first one, and the second, and the third, probably. Um nice.

Ed 1:01:43

Oh, is I'm watching the white people in the video, and they just look disgusted.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:49

Yeah, I the pain. It I feel so bad for so okay. She's saying that. Now, I'm just gonna throw this in there. The national anthem is not easy to sing, it is not an easy ballad at all. I can understand that. I have tried, I failed miserably at an assembly, and I will never sing the national anthem even whispering again. Um, I'll think about it. That words are hard. It's very hard. Okay. So her take on this, the reason why she did did it the way that she did is because, and I quote, I've always been honored and proud to perform the national anthem. And last night I wanted to try something special for the NBA. I'm a risk taker artistically, but clearly this rendition didn't strike the intended tone. I love this country, and honestly, I tried my best. I that makes me sad, okay? And I'm a huge empath. I I that makes me uncomfortable. Um, although, as a musician, I think I know as a not professional musician at that. My limits.

Ed 1:03:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:07

I I hope my friends would tell me when I don't sound good, and I don't think Fergie has the right friends.

Ed 1:03:17

I that's fair. As you can look at the group chat, you can see like this poor guy. He's just I just took a screenshot of it. He's like, What is going on?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:29

Yeah.

Ed 1:03:31

That look says it all.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

Yeah. That is that was my whole rabbit hole face. And and and it it was I love research. This was something that I had a really hard time and a really fun time with. It was very, very fun. My favorite part of it was actually looking at all of the national anthem fails. And let's just bring up like Chaka Gunn, Michael Bolton, Clint Bowers. Woof. All right. Some rough ones in there. It's just not easy. It's not easy, and I can understand. It's just if it's not an easy song for you to sing and it's not gonna, you're you know, you're gonna hurt yourself trying to sing it, don't chop it up. Just make it a different tone, like make it softer, but not like rah, it's me, it was both soft and aggressive and like sexy. And you don't, I don't want the I don't think of the national anthem and I think sexy personally.

Ed 1:04:45

Yeah, it's like no one no one dances to that on their wedding night.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:50

No, I well, maybe you never know. Um no judgment. You never know. I'm not sure.

Ed 1:04:55

I mean, maybe two history teachers got married, they'll they'll they'll have that going on, but maybe.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:02

Um, maybe. I maybe, yeah. Um now for everyone, including Ed and Kara, please do just a moment of can you look up this video and just look up Uncle Bobby from The Proud Family, please? I singing singing the national anthem.

Ed 1:05:23

I already know.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:24

Was it Uncle Uncle Bobby, the Proud Family National Anthem?

Ed 1:05:28

Bobby, the Proud Family song.

Kara 1:05:32

That's a great cartoon, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

Oh, it's so great. Don't watch the new one. It's kind of scary.

Kara 1:05:37

No, that's so much. It'll ruin it. Founds always do. Oh, Uncle Bobby, there he is.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:43

Uncle Bobby, there he is. Uh-huh.

Kara 1:05:45

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I hope, listeners, you are also looking up Uncle Bobby. Nashville. Taking his time together. Yeah. It's sad.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

That's actually pretty on point. It was the best comparison out there.

Kara 1:06:07

Yes. Listeners at home, please.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

Three hours later.

Kara 1:06:11

And watch that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:14

Uncle Bobby, Proud Family, national anthem. You're watching.

Kara 1:06:18

Go watch that and then go watch Fergie's performance and compare and then come back to us. I would like to know your opinion. And then watch the Uganda war videos for science.

Ed 1:06:27

Oh yeah, who killed Captain Alex? Mondra killing us, man. Shout out. Shout out.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:35

Shout out my goodness. Um Fergie. Alright. So, so okay, national anthem happened. That was in that was in uh 2018? Yeah, 2018. She did have to say, you know, that that quote was her, and she that was her apology, actually. It was so like embarrassing as the country collectively that she just she had to she had to say sorry. Everybody took a collective sigh.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:08

Yeah.

Ed 1:07:11

Yeah. That I think uh the the sounds that we just made were exactly what went down after that performance.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:18

That's there was a moment of silence, but it was like gathering thoughts, yeah. Like uncomfortable processing silence. Yeah, like thunder.

Ed 1:07:28

And then of course you got the guy in the background, like like 15 rows above you. All you can hear is Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:36

No, you got that one fan, that one down fan who's like, yeah, one guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

You're a legend.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:48

Yeah, literally. Queen. Okay. Now I'm I decided, and I kind of told Kara this, I was not gonna add this last bit about Fergal Fergalicious, aka Stacy, and Ferguson, aka Fergie, aka Ferg. Um perfect.

Kara 1:08:10

Nailed it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

I didn't put this part in because I uh you'll find out, okay? Kara said I can't play the audio, which okay, fair enough. So she said reenact it. So here you go, lazy ladies and gentlemen's. Ladies and gentlemen. Yes, yes. I I was 90 pounds at one point. Okay, well, um, all right. What was so what was your rock bottom? My rock bottom my brain had been playing a lot of tricks on me. I thought the FBI was after me. You're kind of like living in this alternate reality. It's very strange. Oh, okay. And this is where Oprah cuts her off. Were you doing it every day? Yes. Okay. Yes. And I started to really get paranoid. So I went to this church and I couldn't, I couldn't get that out because it really sounds like she's about to push push a little poop out.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:08

But bowering down.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:11

Yeah, she's like, and I I I I thought I th I thought F you know, the FBI and the SWAT team were out outside of the church, and that this is what the drugs were telling you. This is what the drugs were telling me. Yeah. Oh. There's a lot more that goes. There's a whole, there's a whole lot more. There's a whole dancing ninja on my balcony, places. I we my mind was just going everywhere. So I said, I had a conversation with God. I'm very close with my higher power of a You're doing good. Keep going.

Ed 1:09:50

Yeah, you're you're nailing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:52

All right. My eyes are tearing up. Okay. I just I'm so deep into this. I feel her. I feel her so deeply. Um so I I said I I I had a conversation with God. My I have a very strong connection with my higher power. I said, all right, if I go out there and the FBI and the SWAT teams are not out there, then it's the drugs. And I'm stopping.

Ed 1:10:24

The logic is so indicated of being on drugs.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:34

But if they're out there, then obviously I was right the entire time. And it's all a big conspiracy. So obviously, obviously I went outside the church. They actually kicked me out.

Ed 1:10:50

You know you've gone done messed up when you get actively kicked out of a church, like John Wick style.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:57

Like the church said, no, no, no.

Ed 1:11:02

Sorry. No, no, no. We God can't help you. He's not as perfect as we thought.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:08

Can't do it. When you're thrown out by the clergy, there's a problem. Abort mission. So, anyways, all right. So, if they're out there, then obviously I was right the entire time. It's a big conspiracy. They actually kicked or sorry, so obviously I went outside the church. They actually kicked me out, and there was no SWAT team, there was no FBI, just me and God. Did did you keep your promise? I kept my promises. That day? That day. And that was it? That was it. How long were you on drugs for? I'm so sorry. I'm I swear I can teach drama, I swear. Um how long were you on drugs? How how long were you in this this spiraling down? I it was very quick for me, actually. I was very lucky I went crazy because that made me stop. It was a year. Almost a year's time. It was so quick. End quote.

Ed 1:12:16

So quick? So she was on drugs for a year. So quick.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:20

And then she got off of it, or so yeah, so she was long, long story of Fergie's weird ninja balcony having church going story, uh, meth also. Um she said it also took a year for me to stop seeing random. I'm sorry. All right, I got this. Yeah, I have no, I have, I have no, I have no, I can't do it. Okay, all right. It took a year for me to stop seeing random bunnies and beautiful. It's hot in here now. I can't don't do drugs, kids. No, the long story short, if you okay, so she said she's seeing random bunnies and and bees, okay. Long story short, don't do drugs because you will end up like Fergie, see ninjas on your balcony, go to God, get kicked out of church. God says, okay, you're on drugs, and it this is not you're you need to stop. So after a year, you'll stop doing meth. And then after another year, you'll stop seeing you'll stop seeing random bunnies and bees. It's not a good time. It's not a good time. No. So there's there is Fergie and all of her cringe glory. Wow. Um that's a lot to you do you now understand why I put under the notes for Fergie versus Meth and Oprah Winfrey Special 2012. Yeah. I just put L O L. Yeah.

Ed 1:14:01

So that makes sense now.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:03

Yes. Yeah. So that was worth it. I now this is not me bashing Fergie. You can look up all these different fails. There's so many of them because being a human is hard, for one. So Stacy Ann Ferguson, thank you.

Ed 1:14:26

It's it's an example of how we may not be millions of dollars rich and have this celebrity status, but the last time I got attacked by invisible dancing ninjas and bunnies and bees has been a long time. It's not something I have to worry about.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:47

I've actually never experienced that personally. Um I just I don't do meth for one. I don't think I'll ever experience that.

Kara 1:15:01

No. I think the last time the last time I experienced anything like that was when I accidentally hit a chicken with my sword in that town as a little green boy being chased by chickens. That's the last time I experienced anything like that trying to get to the ranch. You know it. I'm just saying, those chickens. All these are.

Ed 1:15:26

They're not chickens, dude. They're called uh what, cuckoos?

Kara 1:15:29

Yeah, cuckoos.

Ed 1:15:31

Yep.

Kara 1:15:31

They're chickens.

Ed 1:15:32

And if you hit them too many times, all the cuckoos in the game will fly at you and try to kill you.

Kara 1:15:38

Correct. What what what what game is this? Ocarina of Time.

unknown 1:15:42

Yep.

Ed 1:15:43

Ocarina of Time, yeah. If you go into Kokiroko Village and there's a there is a couple of chickens there, if you spend like 15 minutes like just hitting them with your sword, then they'll pull like this little jingle, and then all the chickens in Hyrule will come out of nowhere and start attacking you, and it will kill you.

Kara 1:16:04

Oh yeah, it kills you instantly, and it's just like a tornado of chickens that's after youth great.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:10

That's kind of scary. Chickens are a little bit terrifying, yeah. Trust me.

Kara 1:16:14

That's the only thing I can relate to as far as the bunnies go.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:18

I don't like crabs, that's all I got. I've never been in such an experience that nope. I don't like crabs though. All right.

Ed 1:16:28

I got chased by a pug one time. And I and I decided to walk away from it.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:34

Oh, I've been chased by many things. Have you ever been chased by a cockroach?

Ed 1:16:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:39

It's it's it's scary, isn't it?

Ed 1:16:42

Uh I was staying in in a house that was of uh dubious cleanliness, and I woke up one morning and I looked at the ceiling and there was a cockroach on there. On the ceiling, right above my face, and the thing fell and landed right on my face.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:03

See, I I dis I I do not like that.

Ed 1:17:09

I didn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:12

I don't like that for you. Being in property management, I have this like really gr I just I can't do roaches, but I can do any other bug. But walking into an apartment where it looks like the floor is an ocean of cockroaches, ew. Absolutely not. Opening a door and the cockroach crawls from the other side of the door onto your hand, vomit everywhere.

Ed 1:17:36

I would just burn the place down.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:39

Oh well. I wish I could. I don't know how they got rid of that because I couldn't do anything to help.

Ed 1:17:46

Yeah. No, when that happened to me, I I immediately called my wife and like we're moving out.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:52

Yeah, no. Mm-mm. Yeah.

Ed 1:17:53

And by the end of the week, we were out. I was not gonna deal with that again. But here's a grown man, though. In my daughter's room behind me, there's a mouse living in there that is terrorizing her.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:06

You're throwing your pit bull in there.

Ed 1:18:08

Yeah, so I'm like okay, Pookie, go take care of it. You got this. You got this. As I'm picking up her dog poops in the backyard, and you see this little mouse face sticking out, then I know she's got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:20

No, no, I don't like it. I don't like that. Speaking of mouses, can I can I just add in one more small dumpster fire? No, this is like a trash can, yeah. It's kind of a trash can. It's just, I don't know. I thought it was so funny, and I was like, oh, let me just tell them. So Demi Libido, I mean Lovato, okay. Um so she did this um interview at a 2015 premiere, okay? And the interviewer asked Demi Lovato, Lovato, what her favorite dish was. I don't know if you guys have seen this, but she says a mug. Okay.

Ed 1:18:58

A mug.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:59

Yep. A mug is her favorite dish. Like a coffee mug? Like a coffee mug. Okay.

Kara 1:19:05

Making sure we're all the same page. We well, we are. There's a fire.

Ed 1:19:11

Not like a steak, an egg, no. No, your favorite dish is a a ceramic mug.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:17

Country fried steak, nothing. No. Okay, mug, got it. Okay. So her reason now, her reason for the mug being her favorite dish, because it has a handle and she likes coffee.

Kara 1:19:30

Right. Okay. It's going to be like my favorite dish is coffee and a pastry. Yes, see? You know.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:40

Nope. No.

Kara 1:19:43

Why are we not famous?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:45

I just, you know what? There are so many questions I have for this world.

Ed 1:19:51

It's like, what is if that's all it takes to become like stupid successful, then what are we doing wrong? Or do we just need to collectively reduce our IQ by 30 points each so that combined the three of us equals one and a half normal human beings in IQ points?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:11

We could try it. I don't even have 30 IQ points. But I'm still not famous, so I'm just here.

Kara 1:20:18

We're here. We're doing fine. We're doing great. We're doing fine. We're molding young minds during the day. We are crafting. Yeah.

Ed 1:20:27

Beautiful content.

Kara 1:20:28

We're not doing that at night, but but you know what?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:35

Demi Lovato's favorite dish is a mug. Really good to know. It's important. It is.

Ed 1:20:40

That's gonna go on our our on our Monday morning meeting, like for the useless fact.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:45

Yes.

Ed 1:20:46

Segment is demi lavato's. I'm gonna say demi devito.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:50

I wanna say demilido. I almost I I you might have to edit out. I almost said demi libido, and I had to look at it and say lavato. And it's not like I didn't know who she was. I just wanted, yeah.

Ed 1:21:06

Just libido. Well, yeah, your brain says one thing, but then your mouth says another thing. Says what it wants.

Kara 1:21:14

It happens.

Ed 1:21:16

Yes. Everybody has a separate brain in their mouth. That's the reason why we say stupid stuff. At least I do. I'm notorious for it.

Kara 1:21:25

Um all right. Ed, do you think we have enough time to talk about this last half?

Ed 1:21:30

Uh yeah. I I I think if I I make it quick and I avoid going off on tangents.

Kara 1:21:38

Okay. Good luck.

Ed 1:21:40

Yeah, I no promises. So my my contribution to the show is for those of you who know me, I dabble in politics, but I don't take a side. Like I don't I shoot right down the middle, but I love it when politicians are sitting on something that they think is the moral high ground, and they go after somebody with a vengeance, and they get absolutely wrecked in the process. I I don't remember when this song came out, because this was in 1984, I was two years old, but I do remember in the 90s hearing the fallout from this, and I also remember the performer of this said song voting for the politician that wanted to ruin his career. And so it's kind of a wild ride. The song in question was We're Not Gonna Take It by D Snyder, right? The band was Twisted Sister, and we're talking the height of big hair, latex everything, you know, like yeah, latex everything, makeup, galore. Like each one of these these performers in these bands at this time would have a very long and lucrative career on on RuPaul's drag race. And that was the thing. It was literally this time, 19 early, or actually, I would say late 1970s, 1980s, come to the 1990s. It was literally sex, drugs, and rock and roll was the theme of everything. And so D. Snyder wrote, We're not gonna take it. And it was kind of a like a one-hit wonder. And it apparently it struck a chord with a young senator, Al Gore, uh, who would later become the vice president of the United States under the Clinton administration. And it more importantly struck a chord with his wife, Tipper Gore, who I would say was one of the founders of what teachers affectionately call today Mothers Against Everything. And at the time, it was the Parents Music Resource Center, and all they did was they just tried to find music that they thought would be harmful to children, and they tried to ban it. It's it's like the same group of people that will look at, say, Huckleberry Finn and say that the book is racist. When in reality, if they've ever actually read the book, they would know that it is making fun of racists. So a lot of these people in the PMRC were very, very ignorant. And in this music video that was eventually released, oh by the way, it FYI, if when you listen to We're Not Gonna Take It, it was actually based on the music or the rhythm of Oh Come All Ye Faithful. The whole song is actually based off of a Christmas carol in terms of its name. Uh I'm gonna go over the the main lyrics here because it is so offensive and so atrocious that no child should ever hear this. Thankfully, we don't have any children that listen to the podcast. Uh, we don't have any parents that listen to the podcast. Uh hopefully, hopefully, I don't get us into too much trouble. But the basic lyrics is we've got the right to choose, and there ain't no way we'll lose it. This is our life, this is our song. We'll fight the powers to be, just don't pick on our destiny because you don't know us, you don't belong, we're not gonna take it.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:46

Wait, but aren't you gonna sing it?

Ed 1:25:48

I can't sing it. I don't have the hair for it. I I I need the long blonde curly hair.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:56

I you got a little a little height, a little something. It goes up a little bit. I just gotta hair the card. I can't believe you didn't sing it. I'm gonna tell the whole time I'm sitting here just like singing it. I'm like, just sing it, just sing it, Ed.

Ed 1:26:14

Yeah, I'm you you all have the hair for it. I don't.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:20

It's alright, it's not that big though.

Ed 1:26:23

Uh but yeah, it basically, no, we ain't gonna take it. Uh we're not gonna take it anymore. Oh, you're so condescending. Your call is never ending. We don't want nothing, not a thing from you. Uh, your life is trite and jaded, boring and confiscated. If that's your best, we that your best won't do.

Kara 1:26:44

I love that song.

Ed 1:26:46

It is absolutely appalling. Uh everything about that is is offensive, it goes against core American values.

Kara 1:26:55

Right.

Ed 1:26:56

This isn't what America fought for in the Revolutionary War. Uh, there's this is absolutely nothing that you would ever want anybody to ever read because it's too violent. And literally, this is the PMRC. They said that this is way, way too violent.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:14

Well, I mean, do you not hear the violence and all those words that you wouldn't sing? Aggressive.

Ed 1:27:24

My problem is if I did sing it, it would incite violence.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:29

Okay, I can understand. The words are just fighting words.

Ed 1:27:34

Yeah, this is our song. This is our song. We'll fight the powers that be. That's your best. Your best won't do. Yeah. George Washington would never allow this in his rank and file against the British.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:49

Or maybe, maybe he was actually singing it.

Ed 1:27:53

As he was I now envisioning George Washington wearing late. With long hair.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:01

Yep, same. Yes.

Ed 1:28:02

Like his wooden teeth are flying out of his head.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:05

His wooden teeth are just like hanging out.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:10

It looked like something you see from Hatter. No.

Ed 1:28:19

The big issue was that this they they released a music video. I think it was in 1984, 85. They released a music video where it was this very structured family, right? It is very uh paternal. The man is, you know, like they're sitting down to dinner, and there's like four kids and the wife, and you know, the the the father is just very rigid and firm and demanding and commanding, and you know, it all revolves around him. It ultimately cuts to the scene where he hears the father hears this rock music upstairs, and he just bursts into this bedroom, which I don't recommend any parent doing if you have teenage children. Knock first, don't just burst in because you you will see. And then eventually the boy snaps and he hits the guitar, and then the dad flies out the window, like total wily coyote style, like just over the top, flies out, lands on his back out in the front yard, and then it starts this whole thing where all the children turn into the band members of Twisted Sister, and the whole thing, the whole house is turns into chaos.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:49

That spin was a lot. When they like do the spin, it's like whoo shh.

Ed 1:29:54

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:54

That's a lot. Yeah, right.

Ed 1:29:56

That was a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:57

That was my karaoke song.

Ed 1:30:01

That's my favorite is when the dad is like going trying to get into the dining room area, and each band member is opening the door and they're just slamming the dad into the wall.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:14

I like the veins that come out of his neck when he's like, What are you gonna do with your life?

Ed 1:30:22

Yeah, just like that.

Kara 1:30:24

That's when music videos were actually good.

Ed 1:30:27

Yeah, well, yeah, when you actually had uh when you actually had like acting. A story. Well, and that the actor that played the name of the movie, but it was one of those like dystopian types of movies about like progressive thinking and how it's bad and everything like that. So it's ironic that they chose that actor to play the hardcore demanding father figure in in this music video.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:53

Are you talking about Animal House?

Ed 1:30:55

Uh yes. I think it was Animal House.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:59

There's the heavenly, yeah. Well, yeah, that's from the 70s. Sorry, I'm looking it up.

Ed 1:31:04

Yeah. I wasn't around at that time. So either. Yeah. So you were still 23 chromosomes at that time. I was so so was I. I I was swimming in a whole different realm at that time. So basically put, this music video released, and this was like the tipping point for like El Gore and the PMRC or the future Moms Against Everything. And they basically held this congressional hearing because what Congress wanted to do was was basically ban this music. They wanted to censor it, they wanted to make sure that nobody had access to it, which is beyond unconstitutional. It is yeah, it it's a riot to think about what it is they wanted to do. So they uh they put together a list. The PMRC put together a list that was known as the Filthy 15, which some of this included like Prince's uh Darling Nikki, uh Madonna's Dress You Up, and Venom's Possessed, among other titles. And the idea was to like basically get these people off the air. It was, yeah, it would it was a mess. And so they had the the music artists had people show up. They kind of voted on having people come in and speak to Congress. One of them, what was it? It was yeah, they had yeah, what was it, Frank Zappa, and then they had John Denver, and then most importantly, they voted to have D Snyder from Twisted Sister all speak to Congress. And it's so funny because Frank Zappa and and John Denver, they wore they came in wearing like nice suits, ties, and and all that stuff. They looked presentable. Not D Snyder.

Kara 1:32:56

He's such a legend for this.

Ed 1:32:57

Yeah, he he shows up, he's got his big hair, and he even says in a documentary, he's like, Yeah, I dressed up a little, but I didn't want to go over the top. He's like got his big old blonde fro hair going on. He said, I wore a little mascara and a little bit of blush to to this, but not not too much. Big old huge sunglasses, he's wearing uh sleeves, a sleeveless denim jacket with a white tank top, and he's rocking just like tight-fitting blue jeans and cowboy boots. He shows up to this hearing. Everybody that preceded him, they had like a folder, right? They had their their presentations or their speeches brought up, typed up neatly, and all that stuff in front of them. No, not not D Snyder. He reaches into his back pocket, he plunks down on the chair before he plops down on the chair before the senators do. Because in etiquette, with the senators are standing, you stand, then they'll say the senators be seated, then they seat, and then you seat. No, he just plopped into a chair, pulled out his back pocket. This speech. This speech is amazing. They actually have it on YouTube. It it like you don't expect this out of a guy like this. You don't expect a speech like this from anybody wearing just a little mascara, and you know, like just just yeah, you you don't expect it. And the faces on the people, including like Al Gore, were absolutely blown away. And uh I'll read an excerpt here. Uh I'm not gonna sing it, right? Because it's not a singing part, folks. Bummer. This letter was a formal response to the PMRC's petition to the RIAA. The only part of this document that I do not support is Mr. What is it, Gordokov's unnecessary, unfortunate decision to agree, yeah, to agree to a so-called generic label on some selected records. In my opinion, this should be retracted. Since I seem to be the only person addressing this committee today who has been a direct target of accusations from the presumably responsible PMRC, I would like to use this occasion to speak on a more personal note and show just how unfair the whole concept of lyrical interpretation and judgment can be, and how many times this can amount to little more than character assassination. Such a legend. That is not something that you would expect out of a guy like this. And like if you watched a video, the whole crowd is silent. The reporters are silent, the senators are silent. They were not expecting this to go down, so they showed up that day fully prepared to be like, okay, yeah, we're gonna take down this punk rocker, we're gonna destroy his reputation, and we're gonna ruin all of this.

Kara 1:35:56

Yeah, they thought it was going to be a circus.

Ed 1:35:59

Yeah, yeah, they thought this would be a quick kill. Like, this guy is gonna sink his own boat. And one of the questions was that El Gore he brought up a um a song, I think it's called Under the Knife. El Gore is like, he kind of read off some of the lyrics, and do you think it's possible that somebody could interpret these lyrics as sodomastichism, bondage, or rape or anything of that nature? And D Snyder, he's like, he's very calm. He's like, nope, I I understand. He goes in to explain that the theme behind Under the Knife it was about one of his band members needing to get throat surgery. And it was like the process of like s like retaining him and then drugging him so he can't move and and knocking him out so that you know he's asleep while they're operating on him. And then he makes a statement that I think just wrecks Al Gore and Tipper Gore. He's at the very end of it, he's like, Okay, when we look at the song, all music is what you are looking for, right? You can look at music any way you want. If you're looking for something in music, you will find it. And so Miss Gore was looking for cinemasticism and looking for bondage and looking for rape, and she found it because that was what was on her mind the entire time. And it's like, oh, and it's so funny because you you can like you see the camera pan over to El Gore, and Al Gore is just sitting there and he's like, uh-huh, moving on. Because he did like because this punk rocker just totally trashed his wife, this prim proper politician's wife, and she just got called out for being interested in all this crazy deviant behavior. And then, yeah, it goes on for like 30 some odd minutes. Like he lays out, like, you're right, I don't want my kids listening to certain types of song. And if a kid is listening to certain types of music that parents disagree with, then that is the parents' fault, not not the band's fault. Yeah, they brought up stuff like they try to go after him for the t-shirts uh that Al Gore was was bringing up, and Snyder was like, as for the t-shirts, none of those in our lineup. We've never made a shirt like that. And you can tell that that shirt that you're holding up has been clearly altered for the purposes of this hearing, and he just roasts Al Gore one after another. And I and I guess uh I'm I'm looking through here. Yeah, Senator Rockefeller and the vehemence with which you attacked Senator Gore's wife, I defected a defensiveness somehow on your part, a lack of assuredness on where you stand on this. Why did you feel it necessary to attribute some qualities of her that you did? Why was the uh why was that important into your testimony? Yeah, because he goes after Rockefeller in this, and it's so funny because he like Snyder then turns around and kind of like defends Tipper Gore in a way. So I I at the end of the day, this was not something that Congress was expecting, and it completely blew up in Al Gore's face. It wasn't enough to keep him from political office, but it was interesting to see the outcome of this because eventually, now you go buy an album and it has that parental advisory thing on there. And uh Kara and I were talking earlier today that it's it's hilarious because shortly after this whole incident, then artists like rappers and rock stars and all that stuff, they were actively trying to write lyrics to get that parental uh warning badge as like a badge of honor.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:54

That makes sense. Yep, I can see that.

Ed 1:39:56

Yeah, it completely was completely did a 110 or 180 degree reversal on what they were originally intending to do. They thought that by putting this parental advisory thing on, like these rock stars and hip-hop artists and you know everybody else would kind of like know their place and tone it down and go back to the old days of you know, listening to country music from the 50s, which was insanely racist, and but you know, or I don't want to open up that whole can of worms. But yeah, it was uh i if you fast forward to when Al Gore was running for president. So what was this? Was um this was what 2000 is when Bush and Al Gore were running.

Kara 1:40:39

Yeah, I think it was 2000.

Ed 1:40:41

Yeah, yeah, because Bush was from 2000 to 2008, and that that was the whole hanging and chad issue, yeah, where the Supreme Court eventually had to decide who was gonna be president. Um, D Snyder got up and he spoke again in an interview. He's like, I'm gonna vote for Al Gore. We need to support this guy. And and the reporter's like, what are you talking about? He tried to ruin your career not too long ago. And D Snyder is like, yes, but right now the environmental crisis is getting worse and it's only getting worse, and this guy's platform is in making Earth a environmentally sounder place. And as much as I disagree with this guy on everything, right now, if we don't try to save the planet, there's absolutely no point in having any other discussion. And so he he supported Al Gore through his election. That's pretty cool. Yeah, again, this is something that you don't expect from a guy with long hair and you know, eyeshadow and mascara, and and you know, all that kind of stuff. And it's a level of sophistication that when I look at our politics today, I see really lacking because there's nothing more exciting in the world than watching C-SPAN. It's it's thrilling stuff, but when you when you listen to these logical arguments that these politicians, and it doesn't matter what side of the aisle is coming from, it's just like, what are we what are we doing? Can we have somebody make sense again? So I could have gone into a lot more detail on it. This could have been its own podcast, especially if I tried to sing it.

Kara 1:42:26

That which you should. I mean, I support that.

Ed 1:42:29

Ladies, we're trying to get listeners.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:33

But okay, remember at the top of the show, we talked about the most unwanted song, and it was the most wanted song, actually. You say it's trash, I call it treasure.

Ed 1:42:51

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:53

One man's toxic sludge is another man's pulpourry.

Ed 1:42:58

Or third arm, or that too. However, you want to look at it. Yeah, or it it it it to me, this was always fascinating because it's a classic case of where a greater, stronger force thought that they had this locked away. We've got this, it's not a big deal. We're gonna take care of this, put these guys away. And it's almost like um uh the last episode or that previous episode we did on the Persians versus the Spartans.

Kara 1:43:36

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

unknown 1:43:37

Right?

Ed 1:43:38

This giant army shows up and they're like, really? It says 300 dudes with spray on abs. We got this. This isn't a big deal. And then it lasts for like what two weeks, and thousands and thousands and thousands of people died.

Kara 1:43:52

And I mean, yeah. Essentially. Yes. But I will say that the this is to me, this is one of the more interesting stories, especially if we decide to go into more detail because this is in the middle of the satanic panic. Yeah. I was just about in the 80s too. Um, another big thing that was always talked about was The Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin. If you play it backwards, it's it's like the devil's music or whatever. Yeah.

Ed 1:44:23

Um did you ever hear of the inspiration for that song and where it came about?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:27

I have, and I don't I you're gonna have to remind me because I have heard it. I don't remember though.

Ed 1:44:31

The whole band was in England, and they were staying at what was I can't remember the name of the castle, but it was a notoriously haunted castle, and the whole band literally did a seance to Satan, and they were like, Whatever you need from us, we'll do it, but make us the next greatest band, give us the inspiration. Like they were actively praying to demonic to demonic entities, and that is where this song came from, Stairway to Heaven. So, yeah, good old D Snyder. Just just speaking his mind in front of Congress. It's uh it was it was really funny because Congress did eventually pass that uh what is it that uh for mere mature audiences only, that whole uh uh parental warning.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:25

Parental advice, yeah.

Ed 1:45:26

Yeah, yeah, they released that, and what I find so funny is that after that, after this whole incident with D. Snyder and all them, I find it really funny then like every musician afterwards did everything in their power to earn that parental advisory moniker, which I thought was kind of funny. It's like yet again, here's an example of a bunch of politicians trying to regulate something that they have absolutely zero business being in, and then wondering why it's backfiring. That's D Snyder in a nutshell.

Kara 1:46:05

Yeah, kind of a mess. Yay.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:09

Deep, deep, deep inhale, deep side.

Kara 1:46:13

Well, well, friends, there you have it. There are three different epic fails of I don't know, different kinds of music in different ways. We got a legal one, we have we we have a a wonderful piece of music that you should all go listen to.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:31

The best song ever.

Kara 1:46:32

The best song ever. And we have some grand info on a celebrity musician. And again, please go look at all of those wonderful images that we mentioned.

Ed 1:46:45

Yeah, there's so many memes on Fergie. Oh many.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:49

The queen. Queen doing queen things.

Ed 1:46:53

But it didn't really tank her career, did it?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:56

I mean, it seems like she's doing okay. She's sober, that's a good thing. So that's that's good. Um, but she I she's still around. I don't think the national anthem really wrecked her. I just don't think she's probably gonna sing the national anthem very much anymore. I know the all-star game, I think it was like maybe this weekend. I don't think she was.

Kara 1:47:17

No, I don't think she sang.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:19

I don't think she sang the national anthem.

Ed 1:47:21

Because it would still be going on in the line.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:23

Yeah, I mean, it would be very, very, very long. And she'd probably make it worse.

Ed 1:47:30

She's only on the third line. Just on a long, long note. Just going on like Whitney Houston. Lord of mercy.

Kara 1:47:49

Beautiful. On that note, literally on that note.

Ed 1:47:54

Um I did play that unwanted song. Uh for my wife, yeah.

Kara 1:48:00

How'd how'd she take it?

Ed 1:48:01

Um she said it like it it caused PTSD. Wow. Yeah. Because she was like in she was always into concert orchestra and all that kind of stuff. And she said that that whole thing reminded her of a bunch of teenagers just walking into the orchestra room and they're all playing different songs on their instruments, and it's just the cacophony of noise.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:29

It's like I get that. I put when I yeah, mm-hmm. Nope, that's not wrong. I think they did that and like overlapped all of those noises on top of each other as well. Like just with a loop of noise. But yeah, walking into like band when I was in sixth grade playing the clarinet with seven other people clearing playing a clarinet, and then I can I can hear the PTSD now, thank you. I yeah, you know, yeah, I like I feel like I feel like your wife's definitely not the only one who has that like feeling. Oh, oh yeah, not like that.

Kara 1:49:02

Yeah, so all of you need to go to go listen to the to the most unwanted song so everybody else can have PTSD. We all need PTSD. We can all be trauma bonded there. Yeah. Trauma bonded. Perfect. Love it. Uh um, Ed, do you have anything in the pipeline coming up next?

Ed 1:49:20

I I'm I'm working on a project. Uh we were discussing this not too not too long ago. Um, there was, I think it's uh it was a uh oil tanker. It's like the Tory Pines or something like that, where this gigantic oil tanker tried to cut corners by going through like between two islands outside of the you know British Isles. They were running behind, and so they tried to cut a corner, literally, and like all these fishermen were out there watching this giant oil tanker, like. Don't do it. You don't you don't want to do it. You're going to run ashore. And um yeah, there was like a whole chain of command that fell apart that like literally the back end of the ship didn't know what the front end of the ship was doing. And it turned into one of the largest naval civilian naval disasters in I think in all of British history. Because it leaked all that oil out everywhere. And yeah, it was uh the the uh the captain, he was an Italian guy, he uh like he had to be institutionalized. He was so beat up over this, like yeah, uh yeah, this is a uh a big one. So I've gotta polish up in my naval terms and start sounding like Lord Horatio Nelson and you know beat the quarters on the poop deck and you're gonna confuse me real quick then. Me too.

unknown 1:50:57

Yeah.

Ed 1:50:58

Aft starboard. We've already lost me. I was watching a uh documentary on um I think it was the HMS Majesty that was like the ship of the line of the British fleet, like the flagship. And they had names for every rope, every every level, every mast, like it all had very, very specific names. And after 44 minutes, I couldn't even tell if I knew English anymore. It was so confusing. No wonder why it took decades to be a captain or to get to the rank of captain on one of these ships. Like they would bring orphans on when they're like eight, nine years old, and then they'll be a captain when they're 30. Like, how the heck do you supposed to know all this crap?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:43

You become a captain on your deathbed.

Ed 1:51:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You become captain and then you die two days later. So yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm I'm I'm working on. Did you have anything?

Kara 1:51:55

Nice. Um, I have a couple things in mind. Um, I'm trying to figure out how to frame one as an epic fail just because it's just a weird piece of history that I like, not really a failure of something. But yeah, the I mean I mean that that one is about the the dancing plague of 1518.

Ed 1:52:17

Oh. Yeah, that's the one where like everybody uh they like had Russ's leg syndrome or something like that, and they like they couldn't sleep and they would actually like dance themselves to death or something like that.

Kara 1:52:29

Um, kind of. Yeah, they they like dance themselves to death due to we don't historians don't really know all that much, but they think it's probably mass hysteria just because of the time period. Okay everybody's like dancing and falling to their deaths, and it's a fun time. I'm just trying to figure out how to frame it.

Ed 1:52:50

I think it I think it'll work out in that take a look at the medical practices of the time period. How they thought like putting leeches on people, bleeding them, uh drinking mercury, like I I think that would be the heart of the dumpster fire is trying to dive into how they treated people with science. You know, like the idea that they uh a woman's uterus is like an octopus and it would move all about the body.

Kara 1:53:20

Right, right.

Ed 1:53:21

And that explained why they had mood swings and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:26

That's not true.

Ed 1:53:27

Um the last I uh last I've seen a uterus, they're pretty locked into place.

Kara 1:53:34

Good to know. As a woman, that's good to know.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:39

Have no idea.

Kara 1:53:40

Yeah, that's uh that's what I got. Um thank you, Deja, for for joining us.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:44

Thanks, guys, for having me. This was a lot of fun. Um I uh enjoyed it. Thanks. It's interesting experiment, experiment, experience, both.

Ed 1:53:54

Yes, and experiment. Experiment. So yeah, well uh well we'll definitely have to have you on again. This is too much fun. Like a one hour or two hour recording turned into a multi-day adventure with probably about six hours of off-air antics.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:14

Oh, yeah, I'll be gone for like three hours. It's not gonna take long. We just need like, I don't know, an hour and ten minutes of talking. We did it six hours late though.

Kara 1:54:24

Yep, that's usually how it goes.

Ed 1:54:26

It's fine. Yeah, yeah, it's a great way to warm up to a podcast. So uh do us all a favor. Uh tell your friends, uh, tell your family, tell them to stop what they're doing right now. Uh even if you're driving, tell them to pull over. And be sure to subscribe to this little podcast. Um, it was interesting. We uh we were discussing earlier that like almost I think it's every single listener has been female, which that is interesting. I think I think the demographic is calculated by whoever's paying the phone bill. But um, but yeah, we got a lot of women out there. We still got our we got our British guy out there. Um oh, and I found out that we are in the Dominican Republic, we are uh on the top 289th uh tier of history podcasts in the Dominican Republic or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:17

Go ahead. I am proud of you. Yeah.

Ed 1:55:22

Air is getting pretty thin up here.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:24

Uh you know what? Flying high, you know, keep going. Right. So do it doing doing great.

Ed 1:55:31

Yeah, make sure you tell everybody about it. Uh it I found too that helps a lot of people is people know about podcasting, but they don't know how to actually access it. So I will actually take somebody's phone and I will I will go to like iTunes or I'll go to Spotify, find it. And I guess I could be extra evil and take their iPhone and basically find the podcast on Amazon, hit subscribe, find it in Spotify, subscribe.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:00

Like just in case it doesn't work on this one.

Ed 1:56:04

Yeah, yeah, you're gonna get like 18 notifications that there's a new episode.

Kara 1:56:10

Perfect.

Ed 1:56:11

But yeah, don't be afraid to actually take somebody's cell phone and do that. It's um yeah, you'd be shocked at like, yeah, you tell somebody about a cool podcast you're listening to, but that's usually never enough. You like have to physically show them on their phone where it's at. And um right here. Yep, straight here. We come up everywhere. So and um we're I'm still working on getting uh the whole Patreon thing set up. Uh you know, try to beg and plead for money because there is no shame in groveling for money. So yeah, it's fine. Yeah, we'll let you all know when that when that comes on. So but uh yeah. Good time, great solid week of trying to fix this thing, and we did it. We did it. We made a thing. Now it's time to edit.

Kara 1:57:04

I will talk to you guys next time.

Ed 1:57:08

All right, y'all. You keep it a hot mess.

Kara 1:57:10

Bye, bye.