Kara 0:00

Hey everybody, this is Kara. Hey, it's Tasia.

Ed 0:02

And this is it.

Kara 0:03

And this is your day's dumpster fire. I gotta get myself a video cam.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

I know, I want to see your face, Cara.

Kara 0:39

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

We'll work it out.

Ed 0:40

Yeah, we'll get there. I I promise you, Kara, that I had a um I I promised that I had like a a uh camera that I could give you, and it turns out that I don't. That's alright. We'll figure it out. Yeah, I don't know what happened to it. It's somewhere in my fart room where I'm recording, but I I can't seem to find it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

So Yeah, it's it's fine. I might have well my I mean my stepdad has like every gadget you could think of, so he probably has another camera that he does not use. So I'll let you know.

unknown 1:14

Okay.

Ed 1:15

Yeah, keep in mind these cameras are like $15 from Amazon.

Kara 1:19

I know. It's just it's literally me putting it off.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

I need you to text me your address so I can send you a gift for your birthday si six months later. Okay. You'll be really surprised.

unknown 1:34

Perfect.

Kara 1:35

Oh yeah, it is literally six months away. Look at that. Halfway there.

Ed 1:40

Yeah, yeah, you're halfway there.

Kara 1:42

Yeah. All right. How's everybody doing? Solid? Um great. Okay.

Ed 1:50

We're just trying to figure out the semester. Like, we all are in charge of the future of America. Just trying to figure out how we're gonna get them there.

Kara 2:05

We'll get there. And it's terrifying. Oh, don't say that. No, we're fine, we're fine. Don't think about that. Don't think about that. We're just doing our best. We're winging it. We're doing our best.

Ed 2:16

Well, that's all a teacher can do. All all an educator can do is just be like, I have no idea what I'm doing, but I have brought on some wisdom in my years, and I'm just trying to impart it onto these kids in a way that they can understand it.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

Yeah. But you know, what's what I love a lot about Montessori is um the fact that we can ask the children their interests, and we can make it a part of our curriculum. That's like a huge part with at least um upper elementary, is they have all these interests and whatnot. And so they're kind of this is the age where they're wondering all the whys, how hows, trying to figure out the right answer, etc. And it's really cool because I can take the things that they're interested in. Now I have all boys, and so middle ages is kind of perfect for them. And so, you know, I can just kind of build off of their interests as well. It's really neat.

Kara 3:15

Yeah, in fact, uh, my episode today is inspired by one of our students. So thank you, sir. Appreciate you.

Ed 3:22

Thank you, sir, man. Yeah, sir.

Kara 3:24

Thank you, kid, child, thank you, child. No, he he brought the topic up to me and he's like, you should do an episode on that. And I was like, You're absolutely right. So here we are.

Ed 3:34

Oh, oh, you're you're thinking of uh Nathaniel, who was this like who like single-handedly figured out that this guy strapped a bunch of rockets onto his backside to launch him into heaven.

Kara 3:49

Yeah, that's that's the one.

Ed 3:51

Only only to find out that he actually got himself into heaven via the most unorthodox means by blowing himself up into millions of little bits.

Kara 4:03

Legend has it, yes. Here we are. That is the episode today, along with some other failed ways that we can try to make ourselves fly.

Ed 4:14

Well, and it and it kind of ties into the um to our trash can fire.

Kara 4:19

Yeah, let's hear it.

Ed 4:20

Yeah, because so like Kara, Deja, you will bring our kids into our classroom, and then our classroom with middle schoolers will like complain that oh my god, we're babysitting little kids, even though they're like a year younger.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

Even though some of them should be in my classroom.

Ed 4:42

Um technically I go to sixth grade, so I I would say out of our 12 kids, all 12 of them could probably be in your classroom.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Well, besides two, two, two for sure. Yeah.

Ed 5:00

But in the meantime, those two that you singled out could do our jobs.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

Oh, but they could do better than us. They probably would do so much better than us. We're doing fine, but we can't let them know that.

Kara 5:15

Yeah, yeah. Now they know, but it's fine.

Ed 5:18

Oh well. Yeah, since they listen to the podcast, they're now gonna be paid more than us while we are in like some soup line.

Kara 5:29

We're we're fine. It's fine. We're not in the 1930s yet. So what's your trash can fire?

Ed 5:34

So the trash can fire revolves around a simple experiment. You take a crap ton of sugar and you mix it with a crap ton of sulfuric acid. And if you ever see this reaction, it's really cool because like I'm doing hand gestures, like everybody can see what we're doing.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

I feel like you mentioned this in every episode.

Kara 6:02

You I also do like big hand gestures while I'm talking, and it's really sad that nobody can see me.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

I just I just can't take what's happening on screen right now. Trying so it's really hard to be serious right now. I'm so good at podcasting. Um I'm really glad this isn't like YouTube or something.

Ed 6:27

Sorry about it. It'll it it will be, and then we'll be demonetized because just yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

Because our hand gestures.

Ed 6:38

But but yeah, no, the the idea was is I had deja, I had your students, your boys, because y'all have boys in in your room, which is just to me, that is chaos. That having 10 to 12-year-old boys in a classroom in that's it, that that that's a nightmare that I can't traverse upon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we we had your kids in in my classroom, and then I had well then and Kara and I, we had our middle schoolers into our classroom, and the idea was that I was gonna do something epic cool. I was gonna take a clear liquid, clear liquid, as you can see in my hands, it's clear. I was gonna take a clear liquid sulfuric acid and pour it into a pile of sugar. It was super cool. Like your kids were excited, our students were excited, everybody was excited, and I poured it in.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Then what happened?

Ed 7:47

Um, nothing happened.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Listen, I was listening to the most unwanted song while you were doing this experiment.

Kara 7:56

She was, she was, and we had an observer in the classroom too.

Ed 8:01

Oh, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, we had somebody from higher up just like, hey, do we want to send, do we want to advertise people to come into this classroom? And yes, we do.

Kara 8:14

Nothing happened. It's all about recovery.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

We'll be fine.

Ed 8:21

Yeah, no, and and it and it took um it took some time because I tried to like heat the solution up. Let's concentrate the acid, let's try to make something happen here. It turns out that the acid, the sulfuric acid that we have is like one or no, it's 0.1N in concentration. I have no idea what that means, but I found out later on that if your unit is N, in order for this reaction to work right, you need to have like 12 or 13N. And I was using 0.1N concentration, so the only thing I could do was just make this reaction kind of just like turn slutly brown, and I had to scramble so fast to try to like save this because I could tell that not only were Deja's students like this guy's uh uh bogus, and then like our actual middle schooler students were like, this guy's bogus.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

They're like, What the heck, Mr. Ed? Are you okay?

Ed 9:39

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like cool, you mixed a weird liquid into another solid, and nothing happened. I'm like, great, guys.

SPEAKER_02 9:50

But that's that's science though, isn't it? Yes, so get over it.

Ed 9:57

Yeah, no, the idea is that like science where you get no results is equally important as to getting a result, but that's something you learn in college, not in middle school and upper elementary. When you're at that level, you want to see things blow up, you want to see things catch fire, you want to see things turn some weird color, and we did overcome that. We we did like the following week where we did the iodine time clock thing and then turning copper pennies into gold, like we got around it, but boy, that was not a great way to start off this whole idea. Hey, Ed, try to teach upper elementary chemistry and then fail at the very, very first thing.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

You're doing fine. I thought it was great every every moment that I fully was engaged in.

Kara 10:59

You know what we should have done? We should have played the most unwanted song as you were doing the experiment. Oh my god, a missed opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

Yes, yes, that I would have had to suffer by myself with headphones in my ears. Yeah. What an experience.

Kara 11:17

It was a good time.

Ed 11:19

Yeah, and top of that, Kara, what do you have in store for us? Because I think I have like an ultra heavy, oily, sticky episode in mind. Yep. And Deja has um an ultra satanic, weird, cultish.

SPEAKER_02 11:37

I wouldn't call it any of that besides the last part.

Ed 11:42

It sounds like a hot mess.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

It is a hot, hot, fiery forest fire that took over all of the continents.

Ed 11:52

Got it. All of them.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

I'm just here with a palette cleanser.

Ed 11:56

Yeah, yeah. No, Kara's gonna start us off with this episode being somewhat lighthearted, and then Deja and I are just gonna railroad it into the ground.

Kara 12:07

Correct. Correct. Here we go. Uh, today we are going to talk about multiple attempts of humans trying to take flight, and then we're going to talk about my favorite attempt. The guy who not only wanted to try and fly into the air while on Earth he wanted to get to space using Chinese rockets. So we're going to talk a little bit about gunpowder and fireworks and rockets, and then we're going to talk about that guy. Alright. I'm going to start with the earliest attempts of any human that we know of. It's it's more of a legend. We don't really have a lot of archaeological evidence to support anything, but we like the story. So here we go. Um, is this guy named King Bledude around 850 BCE in Britain? So he's a native Britain person. This is before the barbaric tribes came into Britain. This is before Romans were in Britain. Like this is a native OG guy. Story goes, he ruled for about 20 years, and it's rumored to be that he found the cure for leprosy before he died. Probably not true considering people were dying of leprosy left and right during the Middle Ages, but it's fine. Yeah, Ed, what's up?

Ed 13:22

Sorry. Did you say his name was LaDude?

Kara 13:26

La Dude. No, it's I was blah, like B-L-A-D-U-D. Blah dud. Sure. Okay, bitted.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Got it. Me too. I had I couldn't stop thinking about that until it said something. I was like, wait, hold on, can we backtrack for real?

Kara 13:43

Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Okay. That's a good way to go, Ed. Raise your hand. Yeah, no, I literally soft. I will go on and I will go on and I will go on.

Ed 13:53

No, I I I was just like, I I was super excited for the fact that we're talking about a guy by the name of LaDude.

Kara 14:02

I wish it was La Dude. If you take the B away, it would work.

Ed 14:05

So it's LaBood?

Kara 14:07

Blah.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

It's Blah Dud. Yep. Blah dude. Blooded. Blooded. Blooded.

Ed 14:14

So it's La Dude. Got it.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Yeah, man. Yeah, man.

Kara 14:21

Blah dud.

Ed 14:23

They're all dead, so they can't sue us. So that's right. But alright. Continue.

Kara 14:28

So story goes, he had a cure for leprosy. Probably not, but it's fine. He died by creating wings out of like feathers and wood or branches or something. Created wings, he strapped himself to them, and then he jumped off the temple of Apollo. After he jumped off, he hit a wall and he broke his neck. Yep.

Ed 14:48

That that sounds like natural selection.

Kara 14:51

Yep, so we got that guy. He he tried, he failed. In the third century BCE, uh, we have a Chinese philosopher named Han Fei Shi. He wrote about another guy and his teacher that used a wooden kite to fly themselves in the air. Okay. Now, wooden kites and kites in general go back in Chinese history a long time. They're used for warfare, they're used for spiritual practices and stuff like that. These guys made kites made out of wood because it was heavier, I guess, and they wanted to see if they could fly. Story goes that the inventor flew for three days before crashing. Um I don't think that's exactly accurate. More likely, he probably glided her around short distances and then tried for a long one and then he crashed.

Ed 15:35

I feel like that's what it's like to be a teacher.

Kara 15:37

Yes.

Ed 15:38

You spend three days as a teacher trying to do something and then you just crash and burn.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

You're just tired. That's fair. It's accurate.

Kara 15:46

Like, I can't do it anymore. Fun Friday. I can't do it. Fun Friday. Rise Friday, everybody. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

Oh my gosh, we need to start. These boys need some energy to burn.

Kara 15:59

Yeah, next time we go, maybe you can come with. No. Okay. Um in ancient Greece. The first one that we have from Ancient Greece is the story of Icarus. Uh, the first written-down idea of a human taking flight in that part of the world. As we know, he flew too close to the sun, the wax melted, he crash-lighted, and he died. In Arabia, we've got the scholar and aviator named Al Juwari. I practiced that like four times. I hope it came out okay. Sometime in between the years of 1002 and 1010, depending on the resource you look at, what this guy did is he tied two wooden boards to him's arms, and then he climbed a mosque, and then he had a crowd following him around, right? And he stood on top of the mosque and he had this big, huge speech, and he's like, I'm going to be the first man to fly in the skies of the earth and blah blah blah. Super inspirational, he's super pumped about it, right? Um, and then he jumps and fell straight down to his death. So yeah, that's a good one.

Ed 16:57

Well, and and you'll notice that he tried he climbed up on a mosque, and because the idea was that hey, if I climb up on a mosque, that God is looking over, then God will protect me.

Kara 17:15

I could see that.

Ed 17:16

And um, yeah, no, God is just looking down at humans and be like, you humans are weird people.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

You're silly. Yeah, we're silly, yeah.

Ed 17:29

You try, you really I like I give you an A for effort, but it was a good speech. Oh well, yes, and you you've got the epic speech, the monologue, yeah, and God's like, hey, look, I give you an A for your monologue, your speech, I give you a B for smarts, but in terms of uh landing and walking away from it, solid D to F plus.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

There's no grade for that. Sorry, you win.

Ed 17:59

That's fine. I can edit that out. I well, I can edit that in and not make it super awkward.

unknown 18:06

It's okay. Thank you.

Kara 18:08

In 1564, you had an Italian mathematician, his name was Giovanni Battista Danti. He created wings made of feathers and wax, and he jumped off a tower in Florence. And well, you know.

Ed 18:24

Yeah, we we know how he ended up.

Kara 18:28

We got another Italian Renaissance guy. His name was Paolo Lord forgive me, Guidotti? Guidotti? Something like that. Anyway.

Ed 18:38

Did he die?

Kara 18:40

Uh so he tried making wings out of whalebone and feathers. He flew surprisingly, like 400 yards before he crashed into a roof in a building.

Ed 18:50

Oh okay, so if he's dead.

Kara 18:53

This guy lived. No, this guy lives.

Ed 18:54

Oh crap. Well, well, is he alive today?

Kara 18:58

Um no, this happened in 1564.

Ed 19:01

Okay, so he can't sue us. That's fine.

Kara 19:04

Yeah, yeah, no, we're good.

Ed 19:05

So you can pronounce his name whatever way you want. Great. We're just gonna call him Paolo. And we're okay.

Kara 19:13

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna stick with Paolo. No, this is when I'm gonna mention him, so it's he lived, but he got hurt. And then over in the UK, we have Archbishop of York, John Williams. Um, he's a fairly famous homie. He tried flying using a giant coat like a jacket, hoping it would act like a sail. But it didn't work, but he didn't die. Uh, so that's a plus. He lived for a long while after that, and he actually became very successful in his royal circles, and he was in partnership with the king and all that fun stuff. So uh good for him. Coat didn't work. Let's try something else. Uh, you have Da Vinci's famous flying machines that often didn't work, but he tried really hard. Go Da Vinci, we like him. Uh, in 1678, we have the famous locksmith named Bessnair. He's from France, he's a French guy. Uh, he attempted to make a flying machine with foldable wings that would flap like a bird.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Okay.

Kara 20:13

And I think it was like wood and some canvas or something.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

I think I've heard of this guy.

Kara 20:16

Yeah, yeah. He's he's pretty famous. Uh he was smart enough not to try and fly from long distances. Uh he just chose short distances and eventually gained the ability to glide and float around from rooftop to rooftop. He didn't die, he was successful because he chose not to fly long distances. Well, he tried and then he failed and he didn't die.

Ed 20:36

So go that guy. So he was like the first Batman.

Kara 20:41

Yeah. Yeah. Like a parasailing Batman.

Ed 20:44

Yeah.

Kara 20:45

Yeah.

Ed 20:46

Like in the Dark Knight series, like Batman never like glided over the whole city. It was more like he jumped from the top of a building and then control descented into another window.

Kara 21:03

Mm-hmm. That sounds right.

Ed 21:05

Cool. So Christian Bale is the first guy to fly.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Uh George Clooney.

Ed 21:15

That's right, George Clooney. All because of the bat nipples.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

I was just about to say them nipples. Yeah, gotta give them credit.

Ed 21:24

Yep, the bat nipples.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

Like that'll do it.

Ed 21:27

I've tried to develop mine to like George Clooney's, and it's cost me a lot of jobs, but those bat nipples from George Clooney are just Guaranteed it's the suit.

Kara 21:41

Guaranteed it's the man. Mm.

Ed 21:43

Man and the suit.

Kara 21:45

I guess we'll find out.

Ed 21:46

So apparently I'm not the man and I don't have the suit. And if I tried it otherwise, I would be registered in like 15 different states. So me as a person and my Will be out of the question.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Don't you guys have like a Batman kayaking on water or something like that up in the classroom?

Kara 22:09

Yes, that is a story that we will save for another episode because it is a grand story that I would love to share.

Ed 22:18

The water was cold, okay? The water was cold.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

Oh no. I'm excited for that story.

Kara 22:27

All right, in 742. In 1742, another Frenchman by the name of the Marquis de French Bacchavelli. Bacqueville. He tried his hand at flying as well. He wanted to go from his mansion to the other side of the river that he lived on. So kind of a long distance, but not to a point where he was going to die. What he did was he created giant paddles and strapped them to his arms and his legs. And then he jumped from his balcony, he fell, he broke his leg, and he never tried again. So at least he learned his lesson. Yeah, yeah, he learned. It's fine. All right. So a lot of these early attempts at flight, they have a few things in common aside from the two French guys. Uh they all failed. And they all focused on flying around on Earth. And they were all like, oh, and there's another guy that I didn't add, I forgot. Uh another guy from Spain at the time where um it was Islam. This guy.

Ed 23:33

I like how it's just from Islam.

Kara 23:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ed 23:35

Not not a time period, not leave me alone.

Kara 23:39

He they were in Spain. It was in Spain, alright? Leave me alone. Anyway, uh it was like the 12-1300s.

Ed 23:45

Okay, so he made the age of Islam.

Kara 23:47

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. It didn't come out right. He tried to make wings out of vulture feathers and wax. He also failed. Anyway.

Ed 23:55

Got it.

Kara 23:56

So all these guys, they tried, but they didn't have vision. They didn't have gunpowder. They didn't have fireworks. My guy, Juan Hu, over in East Asia, he wanted to go to space. And he thought it would be a good idea, and he's not far off. He thought it'd be a good idea to strap a whole bunch of ancient Chinese rockets to a bamboo chair, and he was going to shoot off into space. This one's my favorite. I could have gone into like the 1800s of it all with boats and ships and airships and balloons, but I'd rather not. I want to I just want to talk about this guy.

Ed 24:37

Wait, so so did this guy like have an idea of what space was?

Kara 24:44

Probably not. It was more likely like the stars. But from the sources I read, it was it was always like he wanted to go to space.

Ed 24:53

Okay, so he wanted a strap, strap on a bunch of stuff to go into something outside of Earth and then land on like another star, or no idea. Like he he thought that once he left Earth he would land on something else.

Kara 25:14

No clue. I have no idea. Like right away, like Earth Moon.

Ed 25:19

Yeah, yeah. There we go.

Kara 25:22

That's how it works.

Ed 25:24

I uh I I literally had an ant, and this ant, and I love her so much because she's like the most brilliant quiltist I have ever come across. But apparently when Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin and all of them landed on the moon, she like legitimately asked when this was going down, she's like, wait, how did how did the astronauts get to the moon and not hit any stars? And that's when I realized I'm from a special family.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

I'm gonna ask my aunts when you when do you think you'll touch a a star when you go into space? Please do. I'm gonna do a survey. I've got seven of them. Do it.

Ed 26:15

I assure you, they all have much more intelligent responses than what my family came up with.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

We'll leave it at that.

Ed 26:28

Keep in mind, I am from the branch of my family who came over from England in the 1860s, who shot themselves in the foot trying to clean their gun in the Battle of Fredericksburg, and they all died.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

I'm really proud of them. They're doing good.

Ed 26:47

Yeah, no, they tried.

Kara 26:49

They tried. You're still here.

Ed 26:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They lived long enough to have my my my lineage. Mine. But god, I'm from a really stupid group of people.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

My grandfather's side. I don't know if they're stupid. I really don't know them. But what I do know is way back when um the Mike sell potato chips were one of the first potato chips sold in Germany. That's cool. It's really cool. Oh, yeah. That's right.

Kara 27:20

That's neat.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

It's actually meet the soul.

Ed 27:23

But okay, I I I I figured it out. You are 100% German. Blonde-haired, blue-eyed, fair skinned. You are the most German person ever.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

It goes so strong on both of my sides, actually. Both of my my dad, oh my gosh. Perfect description of a German.

Ed 27:46

Oh, yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Perfect. You noticed me right off the street.

Kara 27:51

I'm wondering if any listener can catch the sarcasm or not. That's what I really want to know.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

Only students and parents.

Ed 27:58

Students and parents not realizing that Deja is everything but that, and understanding that me, Ed, is everything but cool. Like genetically cool. We don't have any of that.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

See, like the the English side is more of a Bermudan English. Okay. It's like my grandmother's mom was from Bermuda, and then her dad's dad is from Germany. Dad's dad or dad's dad's dad. One of them.

Ed 28:38

Got it. So. Yeah, in terms of being racially pure, we're all just whatever we are. Yeah. This is a show hosted by Mutts.

Kara 28:50

Correct. We're worldly. Yeah.

Ed 28:54

Yes. But, anyways, how do you launch a Chinese man into space?

Kara 28:58

Yeah, let's let's get back to that.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

How does that happen? I don't get it.

Kara 29:03

Uh, first, we gotta talk about gunpowder a little bit. Just a little bit. Uh gunpowder was invented by Chinese monks in the 9th century. Story goes that they were actually looking for the elixir to life when they made said gunpowder. Um, it was made from saltpeter, which is potassium nitrate, sulfur, and charcoal. Okay. Uh salt saltpeter.

unknown 29:26

Ugh.

Kara 29:26

Saltpeter was a substance that they used for much longer than the 9th century, so it's been around for a long time. Uh scholars believe they began using it for medical purposes before they found out that they could blow it up. They realized that the mixture was explosive and fiery, and they were looking, like I said, for the elixir of life, and they actually found the opposite. They found something to end lives. So cool. Gunpowder.

Ed 29:51

Uh just I just want to slap it right there. I'm sorry. But one of the reasons why uh gunpowder was so valued as a uh a medical benefit is that the idea was that let's say you, you know, you got stabbed in your arm or you took an arrow somewhere and it wasn't um immediately like detrimental to your existence. The idea was that okay, you got a cut on your arm, we'll pack it full of this black powder, we will light it, and it burns like at two to three thousand degrees, and it will just burn everything in the wound and cauterize it. So, like the original from what I understand, the original understanding of of black powder or gunpowder was that you could pack it into a wound, go like full-on Rambo, light that action on fire, and it would burn everything in the wound so that you couldn't get an infection.

Kara 31:00

Yeah, they used it for that, which is actually really cool. And then potassium nitrate, so that one specific ingredient was used for hundreds of years before gunpowder even existed.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

Yep.

Kara 31:15

So it has like a twofold, I guess, in the medicine world. Despite that, though, it was eventually made into a weapon like everything else. Uh the Mongols got a hold of it in the 13th century, which is always really exciting when the Mongols get a hold of a very dangerous and explosive chemical uh in their hands. It spread to the Middle East. Uh, crusaders probably came into contact with it, traders along the Silk Road probably came in contact with it. What the Mongols did is they weaponized it using arrows and things of that nature, and then on top of that, they probably used it for medicinal purposes. And because the Mongols were so widespread throughout the entire region going into Western Europe, and then you have the crusaders coming the opposite direction, that that stuff just it was spread out throughout the entire continent, other continents. So it was a good time. But now how many how many continents were there? Lots of continents. There's like 14 of them, right?

Ed 32:15

Up uh I sure?

SPEAKER_02 32:19

I'm kidding. I thought you I I thought you were good at this, Kara.

Ed 32:27

I know. We mean alone. I thought the continents consisted of like people like taking over Asia and then they took over Asia, they took over Western Europe, they went into North Africa.

Kara 32:40

Eventually the gunpowder did spread to America during the exploration age. It wasn't the Mongols doing, but it still went there.

Ed 32:51

Oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah. No, I I see what you mean. What you're saying is that like the concept of gunpowder, once it was centrally located and fully understood in the community, then from there it could spread out to like ships and well, yeah, but not even that.

Kara 33:11

It was like the Mongols took it from the Chinese, right? Because the Mongols took over the Chinese.

Ed 33:16

Okay.

Kara 33:16

And because the Mongols were so widespread throughout Europe and throughout China and throughout Japan and throughout the Middle East, so did gunpowder spread. Whether the cultures that came into contact with it understood it or not was different, but they still had it.

Ed 33:32

Got it. Okay. All right, yeah, yeah. No, that that that makes sense. I I was for some odd reason I had this vision in my mind of like South America, which had nothing to do with anybody for the longest time, was just like poof, gunpowder.

Kara 33:49

Yeah, let's go. South America probably didn't get it until they came into contact with the conquistadors, but I get it.

Ed 33:57

Yeah, yeah, they were probably better off without it.

Kara 34:00

Yeah, yeah. I think everybody's sorry if that was confusing. It's probably the way I wrote it too.

Ed 34:07

It's fine.

Kara 34:08

All right. Um, so it wasn't just the ingredients that make it's not just the ingredients that make gunpowder so explosive, it's actually the formula. So how much of each ingredient is used, the way it's mixed, and all of that fun stuff. That's that's what makes it explosive.

Ed 34:25

Can I divulge that ratio? Do well, I have the ratio in front of me too from the Middle East in the 13th century, but if you have the modern one Okay, so is it 75% charcoal, and then what is it, 15% saltpeter, and then 10% sulfur?

Kara 34:46

I think that's the modern one. Okay, yeah, or the European one. That might be the one that Rod Roger Bacon came up with.

Ed 34:53

Well, anybody with the name of Bacon is correct.

Kara 34:56

I mean, I agree. The middle schoolers think so too. Man, you guys should have heard the middle schoolers when I brought up Roger Bacon. Oh my god.

unknown 35:07

Yep.

Kara 35:07

They were like, whoa, is these bacon? I was like, yeah, he's kind of boring, but yeah. But we have Kevin Bacon, that is true.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Footlets. We like Kevin Bacon.

Ed 35:18

I mean, that's one of the greatest contributions of the 20th century is Kevin Bacon. I mean, there's nothing that guy can do wrong.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

I disagree.

Ed 35:30

Oh it's an opinion.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

I have no deep feeling about it. I just don't like him.

Ed 35:37

He he does have a hateable face.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

That's the problem. I think it's his face.

Ed 35:42

But that's really mean. Yeah, no, I know, because he's such a good actor. Like, when we look at him in like Apollo 13 or my favorite movie ever, Tremors. Um That's a classic. Yeah, that's a classic. Yeah, Apollo 13. There's that other movie with that other guy in the place that they were at. Oh, oh yeah, and that message they were trying to deliver in the movie, the the thing with the stuff, and have anything to do with gunpowder? None of it has anything to do with gunpowder other than the fact that Kevin Bacon's last name is just bacon, so it's relevant, yes. Bacon. Oh god, I got it. Okay, he has the most friable name ever.

Kara 36:28

Yeah, 100%. But yeah, I think your your solution is Roger Bacon, Robert Bacon, whatever, from England. And then in the Middle East, they came up with uh one part sulfur, three parts charcoal, and nine parts saltpeter. Oh primarily what they used.

Ed 36:46

Oh wow, so okay. So I was right in the charcoal. Yeah, but uh I I flip-flopped the sulfur and saltpeter.

Kara 36:54

Okay, that makes sense.

Ed 36:56

Okay, after we'd done recording this, I'm gonna try this at my house.

Kara 37:01

Uh-huh.

Ed 37:01

If it now becomes the Deja and Kara show, we will know what happened.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Hey guys, it's Deja. Hey guys, it's Kara. And the sister, it's Dunture by Ajax with Ed.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Perfect. Long live Edward.

Ed 37:22

R.I.P. He departed. He he he he's everywhere now. He's over there, and he's in the neighbor's yard, and he's just everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

He has particles in the sky.

Ed 37:34

Yes, he's vaporized.

Kara 37:36

Just like our friend Won Hu.

Ed 37:39

Oh, oh, Wan Hu.

Kara 37:41

Good old one. All right. Um, so gunpowder. Gunpowder. All right. Uh, one thing that the Chinese did use gunpowder for that wasn't murderous was uh creating fireworks. So what they did in the earliest known fireworks that we have on record, in and they're super basic, like they're not the fireworks we think of today where they go shoot in the air and we have colorful lights and all of that. It wasn't like it wasn't like that at all. What they did was they put gunpowder in tubes of either paper or bamboo. And then what they would do is they would throw it in a fire, and it would it would act almost like the little um you know, you know, the little firecrackers you have, you throw it on the ground, it'd go kind of like that. So you would throw it in like a fireplace and it would go So it's like natural glycerin? Uh sure.

Ed 38:39

Because I we I I I know what you're talking about, those little poppers, like paper popper things.

Kara 38:45

Yeah, the little paper poppers, they were kind of like that, but bigger. Fun.

Ed 38:48

I was dumb one time where I took like a jar and then like five boxes of those things, and I tried to pour, like unravel the the the little paper, and I tried to like pour each one of those things into this giant pickle jar that that that didn't end well. It um I I'm surprised I'm still alive because that jar exploded like a stick of dynamite, it broke windows, it poked holes in our cabinets, and somehow like my stupid self was just standing there wondering what happened, not realizing that I could have died.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Like, oh wait, that was that was kind of bad, actually.

Kara 39:38

That was not good. That wasn't a good idea.

Ed 39:41

Yeah, and then I spent the whole afternoon like putting toothpaste in the holes in the walls and in the cabinets and trying to paint it over.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

Filling it with ramen noodle packets.

Ed 39:51

Yeah, yeah. I was trying to just like cover all that crap up because my mom. My my fear of my mom was worse than me blowing myself up with an explosive.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

I'd rather be blown up than piss my mom off.

Ed 40:09

Uh yeah.

Kara 40:12

Jeez. I'm just trying to figure out how to transition back.

Ed 40:20

Wanhoo!

Kara 40:23

Gunpowder! Fireworks. Um, the primitive fireworks were thought to come about in around the ninth century. And someone, I couldn't find who did it. They thought it'd be cool, like I said, to put gunpowder in the stick and then you throw it on a fire and then it'll go shoo. Um, they weren't shot into the air. Like I said, you throw it, you throw it in like a fireplace and it would make a loud sound and it would give you like a flash of fire. It was kind of cool. Um culturally, they were usually used to scare people or scare people, scare evil spirits away. Or they were used to celebrate something like a wedding or the birth of a new baby or something like that. Sometimes both, where you you would want to somebody gets married, you want them to have a good marriage, and you don't want the evil spirits to interrupt that, then you would throw the fireworks in the fire and go, shh, scare them away. By 1200, like I said, gunpowder was super weaponized, and the Chinese military began using this technology of firecrackers again as a weapon. So they eventually came up with uh rocket cannons or rocket arrows, and they would have like a long stick that they would light the end, and then they would have like a chute with gunpowder in it, and an arrow at the very end of that, and they'd light the gunpowder at the end on one end of the tube that was capped, and the arrow would go flying the other direction.

Ed 41:48

What wasn't it called? What was that? That was like a watcha. Like, I I remember Mythbusters did a whole episode on that where they tried to fire off like 25 rockets at the same time.

Kara 42:02

Actually, I'm gonna talk about that in a minute.

Ed 42:04

Oh, cool. Alright, I'll shut up.

Kara 42:06

Okay, I'll dad. So, from what NASA says, uh, rockets were first used as actual weapons in the Battle of Kai Feng Fu in 1232. The Chinese attempted to repel Mongol invaders with barrages of fire arrows or possibly gunpowder launch grenades. The fire arrows were a simple form of solid propellant rocket. A tube capped at one end contained gunpowder and the other end was left open, and the tube was attached to a long stick. When the powder was ignited, the rapid burning of the powder produced fire, smoke, and gas that escaped through the open end and produced a thrust. The stick acted as a simple guidance system that kept the rocket headed in one general direction as it flew through the air. I figured that NASA put it better than I could, and I, when I wrote this, was very tired, so there's your quote for the day. The idea of using gunpowder to shoot things in the air transferred over to something a little bit more entertaining and less deadly. That's aerial fireworks. So the original fireworks inspired the weapon, and eventually the weapon inspired more fireworks, so now we have more fireworks that actually have boomed in the air. By 1600, aerial fireworks had become their own form of entertainment, and they're still not the same fireworks that we think of today. It's till too early in history to have the colorful sparky fireworks that go boom that we see now on the Fourth of July. These were always orange, sometimes maybe red, and they did explode, but they were a lot more primitive than what we have now.

Ed 43:44

Um so like the Chinese, they just I mean, did they understand the idea of like launching stuff up in the air with a time delay and then having it exploded? Or did they just launch stuff up in the air as it was exploding?

Kara 44:00

I think it was launched stuff in the air as it was exploding.

Ed 44:03

Wow. Okay. That sounds like a bunch of like Chinese bros getting around and just like, dude, hold my beer and watch this. Right? I mean, I think it'd be epic.

Kara 44:17

Yeah. I could be wrong. It could be that they figured out a time delay with like a long thread or something and then they'd shoot it in the air.

Ed 44:24

I think it's probably started with bros blowing each other up. More than likely.

SPEAKER_02 44:30

I feel like that's like a lot of history.

Ed 44:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 44:35

Yes.

Ed 44:37

I think most of Especially military history. We've all seen that that sushi dish where if you don't cut this puffer fish just right, you'll die. But there had to be a time in human history where there was a bunch of Japanese bros all lined up to test that out. So, like this one guy, okay, I cut this out, try it. Oh, you're dead. Okay. Next guy, I'm gonna cut a little different. Oh, you died. Okay, we're gonna try a different cut. Oh, you survived. You're good to go, man. We finally found the cut to make that out.

Kara 45:17

Figured it out.

Ed 45:18

I think it's bros. It has nothing to do with nationality, it has nothing to do with race, it has nothing to do with ethnicity. It has to do with males doing what they do best in terms of just blowing themselves up and killing themselves until the one guy survives.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Dumb was it dumb. Yes. That's all I'm hearing. That's all I can hear right now. Yeah, yeah, that's all I'm hearing too.

Ed 45:47

It's just running through my head. But I but it reminds me of what the Chinese were doing at that time with this stuff. And the the the Chinese males that we see around today were the ones that looked at the other dudes and be like, you're all idiots. I'm gonna go back to what I'm doing. Men doing stupid stuff. That's that's the best way if we were to come in contact with an alien race, um, and they asked how we got to where we're at, it's men doing stupid stuff.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

And then we put perfect.

Kara 46:33

That is our theme song here on Earth. Yes. I agree. So by the time we get to the 1600s, uh fireworks are used for more celebrations, religious ceremonies, military victories, royal celebrations, and then we start to see the same exact process coming into Europe. So now we're seeing fireworks in Europe by the 1600s, we're seeing fireworks in England, we're seeing fireworks in the Middle East, so now they're everywhere. Now we let's get to the man, the myth, the legends. Mr. Won Hu. According to legend, sometime in the 16th century, uh Chinese inventor and space exploration dreamer, because that's how I wanted to write him, wanted to use fireworks to get to the moon. I love that. Thanks. I tried real hard on it. Uh considering the technology at the time, fireworks and rockets, and they they all seemed like a really plausible way to propel up into space. If you have enough of them, we you know, we could do it. You can shoot an arrow, why not a man, right? Let's give it a try. You know, I mean, consider considering the time period and the limited technology they had at the time, it looked a lot better than wax and feathers. I'm just saying. So this is what he did. He built a chair out of bamboo. Okay, and then he strapped 47 rockets of the kind that were used for cannons or fireworks, to the bamboo chair he built, probably in the back, maybe at the bottom. And then he mounted the chair onto two wooden stakes to keep it stable. Okay, and then he attached two kites on the chair. Okay. Kites or rockets. We've got we've got the whole shebang here.

Ed 48:11

I feel like I feel like he just had like a checklist of stuff. Like he's going through Yeah, like like checkbox one, explosives, and then checkbox two, wings of some sort, and checkbox three, it is chair. Yeah, a chair. The chair is important. Yeah, checkbox, we know four is Emperor, and you just kinda like worked your way down to the point where none of this is gonna work right until the Apollo program.

Kara 48:46

I mean, my my favorite really is the kites. Yes, that's my favorite. Like he thinks that the kites are really gonna help here. Um can you tell us if they do? I will get there, friend. Actually, I can't, to be honest. I really can't. Uh, on flight day, one source that I read that I really liked. Uh, he claimed he was splendidly attired. And I really wish there was more detail about what that meant. Like what kind of what kind of outfit do you think he was rocking when he was going to fly up into space? Was it colorful? Did it have legs or silk? You know, did it have shoulder pads? I really want to know what it looked like. Splendidly attired. It was probably colorful silk if we're thinking about the time period. But I really like the idea of him really dressing for success for this for this event. I imagined like D Snyder.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

Yeah, D Snyder. Or like Charlie Chaplin, one of the two.

Kara 49:50

Just two options, that's it.

Ed 49:53

I feel like I feel like like because I I've read a lot of like weird alternate history and everything. I feel like when he was splendidly attired, he was wearing like a glass helmet, some futuristic space suit. He was ready to go into the vacuum of space.

Kara 50:13

Like 1950s style idea of the future.

Ed 50:17

Yeah, yeah, like um the Rose Cosmos type of suit. But we will never know because he never made it that far.

Kara 50:27

Yeah, we don't even have a bit of clothing to know.

Ed 50:31

Yeah, yeah, he ended up in his own urn by the time he finished this.

SPEAKER_02 50:39

Yes, he had it prepared and everything.

Kara 50:41

I mean, he was he's ready, man. He's ready for the afterlife. So one who hired 47 assistants, one for each rocket.

Ed 50:51

Whoa.

Kara 50:52

47 assistants, one for each rocket, so they would it would be lit all at the same time. Uh they each held a torch.

Ed 50:59

That's that unto itself is incredible.

Kara 51:03

It's pretty impressive.

Ed 51:04

Because if you try to launch that many rockets at the same time, there's no way that each fuse would be the same length. So you would actually have to have somebody light the longest fuse first, and then you work away at from there. Like, yeah, that's an incredible amount of engineering to just figure out how to light these rockets at the same time. It's not like you can just put a torch to one and then have all these fuse come up and then launch. Like, that's that's actually an example of them trying this beforehand.

Kara 51:44

They probably did try it with like an empty chair or something.

Ed 51:47

Yeah, that's actually kind of cool. Like, I I I'm totally nerding out over this, but it's true. It's like you can't launch 40 some odd rockets all at once unless you one have a fuse and a chemical proportion. You have to have all those fuses dipped in the same propellant, like that. Yeah, yeah, no, just the idea of launching that many rockets at the same time and having 42 people do it, that's kind of badass in a way.

Kara 52:19

Oh, yeah, he went out with a bang. Oh no. Oh, you're so welcome.

Ed 52:27

There's a reason why we don't know anything about his diplomacy after this event.

Kara 52:32

Yes. We're almost there. Got it. So on the one, two, three, go, all 47 assistants ran to the back of Hugh's chair, lit the rockets on fire, ran back, ducked for cover as quickly as they could. After all the rockets were lit, there was a huge explosion, billows of smoke, just just chaos, and then after the smoke clear, Juan Hu was in the chair, was gone. They were both gone. Poof, like magic. Gone. Wait, never to be seen again.

Ed 53:03

So wait, so who was he did he actually go up in the air, or did he just vaporize right then and there?

Kara 53:12

Nobody knows.

Ed 53:14

So he he got out of heaven. What you're saying is he made it to heaven.

Kara 53:19

Actually, there are some like throughout history, because this is a legend, right? Throughout history, people really did believe that he got there, and then there are other people who believe that he just blew up.

SPEAKER_02 53:31

So it could go either way. Oh man, he got there. He was there, he was gone.

Ed 53:40

Like, I saw Juan who go off into the distance, and then I saw his left arm go that way, and I saw his right leg go that way, and then I saw his other leg go the other way. Oh, I mean, I I guess you could ultimately say is that yes, Juan Hu R he made it to heaven.

Kara 53:57

Yeah, he made it there. Rest in pieces.

Ed 54:03

R.I.P. Napoleon blown apart before Napoleon was ever a thing.

Kara 54:10

Yeah. Uh yeah, so like I said, the story is a legend. Uh scholars are in agreement that it probably did happen because we have written sources from various places that it's spread out, but we don't have any archaeological evidence. We don't have any like first hand account things written. We don't have anything like that.

Ed 54:35

So there's no mysterious crater in the middle of China.

Kara 54:40

Believe it or not, no, we don't have anything like that.

Ed 54:43

There's like this perfectly round 10 foot by 10 foot crater in the ground full of charred whatever that with a sign or a stake on the ground that said, here lies in pieces.

Kara 55:03

It ain't that easy though. And considering all of the war, a crater in the ground probably isn't enough to say this is definitely one who just saying war really muddies it up. Um so on that note, Mysters actually had an episode where they tried to recreate this experiment. Um, they used materials and rockets that one who would have had in his lifetime, as well as an experiment with modern material. So for them, the rockets definitely exploded and the chair burned up, and uh Buster survived, and he burned up, but he didn't disappear. They had very similar results with more modern materials, and their conclusion was that rockets do not provide enough thrust to shoot a guy up into space, but it was a good try. It was a good shot. Now, despite the guy's epic failure and an attempt to get to space, NASA and other scholars and other sources, whenever you look the sky up, they they call him the first astronaut, and he has a moon crater named after him. So that's not too bad for making itself disappear off the face of the earth. Yep.

Ed 56:10

Wait, so it is it on a crater that faces Earth?

Kara 56:14

I am not sure. I just know that NASA named a crater after him. You'll probably find it.

Ed 56:19

Dude, I'm I'm gonna look that up tonight. Yeah, it's like wait, another rabbit hole.

Kara 56:25

Oh, excellent.

Ed 56:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kara 56:26

NASA needs a crater after him.

Ed 56:28

Yeah, yeah, like everybody who knows me. I'm I'm a huge like space nut fan, Apollo program fan, and I'm trying to think like, you know, you got Copernicus and Aristotle, you got all these constellations. I've never seen anything that said one who I feel like Juan Who. Yeah, I feel like that would kind of like stand out, and then that's where we get all our iPhones from.

Kara 56:55

Perfect.

Ed 56:57

That's good. Wow.

Kara 57:00

Yep.

Ed 57:02

And we get demonetized. Just like that.

Kara 57:08

Uh okay, this is from NASA. It says some has suggested that one who actually made it to space and you can see him as the man in the moon, regardless. He had the right to use a idea, use ref no, that's the wrong source.

Ed 57:22

Actually, I believe it. I believe it that when you look at the moon through, like, say, a telescope with like 30-40 times magnification, it does like the whole surface of the moon that faces us, it looks like a man just splattered across the whole surface.

Kara 57:41

That's that's Mr. Who.

Ed 57:43

And that's Mr. Who. He just he got there, and what you're seeing is everything. He's all over the side of the moon that faces us.

Kara 57:53

There he is. We know what happened to it. We did it, we solved the mystery.

SPEAKER_02 57:59

Ah, you're still on mute. Teamwork makes the dream work. That's all I had to say.

Kara 58:06

You were so excited when you said it though.

SPEAKER_02 58:08

I know.

SPEAKER_01 58:09

I was like, teamwork!

SPEAKER_02 58:14

Well, and then I realized I was like, okay, I did it again. It's all right, don't worry.

Kara 58:20

All right, so that is the story of Wan Who and a bunch of other guys who tried to fly to.

Ed 58:24

Fly to where?

Kara 58:27

Two team.

Ed 58:28

Also, as well. Oh, they tried to fly too as a proposition. Okay.

Kara 58:34

I was trying to make it rhyme.

Ed 58:37

Wan who tried to fly too, and I'm like, oh no. To where? You can't okay. And this is the proposition. You have to have it. Ah I'm just failing so much today, I guess. E2 tried to fly too. To woo-hoo.

Kara 58:59

This is why I don't like poetry. It just doesn't work.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

You're doing great, sweetie.

Ed 59:04

Thank you. Yeah, you're you're you're killing it. Like one Chinese emperor after another. You're killing it.

Kara 59:11

Perfect. Perfect. I can't wait to get to Europe. Anyway. That's it. That's all I got. I'm done. I'm done. I'm literally, I am on the notes for the next episode. I am on Ed's notes. I'm ready.

SPEAKER_02 59:31

And I'm like sitting here like, I don't see anything. Yeah, they just like, where's the end?

Ed 59:37

Where's the I see the sources? Only six three three little dots, and that's it. It's over.

SPEAKER_02 59:44

Dot dot dot two. Dot dot dot. Perfect.

Ed 59:52

So so yeah, no, that's a uh that's pretty epic, and I recommend after you listen to my episode, first listen to my episode and then listen to Karas because mine. Oh boy.

Kara 1:00:09

That's why I wanted this one to be in between.

Ed 1:00:12

Yeah. Yeah. What what what I what I've got lined up is a dumpster fire within dumpster fire within dumpster fires. That I would say this is like a landfill fire after landfill fire.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:29

Yeah, this was our malt fire that we had last year.

Ed 1:00:31

Oh yeah, I was gonna say that. Yeah, I was literally gonna say, like, if you're in Arizona, you know about the Pooh show that happened out in East Mesa where a landfill caught on fire for like three weeks.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

I couldn't breathe for three weeks. My asthma said, no.

Ed 1:00:53

I don't even have an asthma and I couldn't breathe.

Kara 1:00:56

Oh so that's what we got coming up next, guys. Is a lovely landfill fire that everybody can smell from across the state lines. Just a bit of housekeeping, real quick. If you want to contact us or send us a trash can fire, please do. Our email is daysupetryfire at gmail.com. We have a sad little Instagram. Uh if you can message us on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

I'm gonna help with that, guys. It's gonna it's gonna be happy.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

We're gonna have some rainbows in there.

Ed 1:01:25

I feel like Deja's gonna just take it over and make it kiss like where it needs to be.

Kara 1:01:32

Yeah, because let's face it, Ed and I are like bad at social media. We try, but we're bad at it. Whereas Deja is actually probably pretty darn good at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:42

I just I did marketing while I was in property management. And so I did a lot of you know, just understanding poll engagement, perfect, etc.

Kara 1:01:53

Yeah. You're gonna do better than I can. Aesthetic, if you will.

Ed 1:01:58

So I I think how it's gonna work is that Deja is gonna take care of the social media side of things, and Kara's gonna take care of like our little website and posting show notes and and all that kind of stuff. Because boy, do I have show notes for for our next episode, and I will take care of the thing that nobody else wants to deal with, and that's like editing. And being that troll, that troll in the group that is like you're not within two inches of your microphone. You need to be like you you you you need to have your spec filter correctly, you need to have a proper audio interface, you need to be your boom arm needs to be in the proper in the proper 45 degree angle. Yep. Yep, your boon arm, if it's a if it's a three-pivot joint system, has to be this way, and and I'm just going to be like the man care of the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:07

Like last week, Kara was like, oh yeah, we spent Dejan Ed spent 15 minutes talking about microphone etiquette. We spent about 45 minutes.

Ed 1:03:16

It was like it was like an hour and 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:20

Yeah. I have to admit I was scrolling for a little bit. She's like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Now, Kara is the listener. She's like the one that will listen to you vent. I am the venter. And Ed is the one who has a lot to say about my venting. He's he's diving deeper into my vent. My venting is his rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

Yes.

Kara 1:03:48

Yeah. Ed will analyze it. I will listen to it and be like, oh, I'm so sorry that happened. Let's go do something happy. They're there. Yeah.

unknown 1:03:57

It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:58

She's like standing like 45 feet away with a really long broom. She's like, it's okay.

Kara 1:04:05

They're there. Uh anyway.

Ed 1:04:08

Yeah, Kara's the epitome of just nodding her head and be like, okay, I got it. Yep. Smile and wave. We're good. Meanwhile, I'm going into like, you need to have this dial turn this way, you need to have this dial turn the other way, and you gotta have the right headset. You can't be too close to the microphone.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:29

Don't move, otherwise, the gain and the audio waves and the electrons and nitrogen.

unknown 1:04:37

Yeah.

Ed 1:04:38

Yeah, yeah. No, I I introduce our own degree of trash can and dumpster fires into each episode, but I can do that and get away with it because I'm the one who edits it.

Kara 1:04:51

Yes. That's why we don't say anything.

Ed 1:04:53

Yes. And so like Deja is willing to like dive into the to the swamp of social media and pull out like clean water and ish.

Kara 1:05:07

Ish and better than the pond water that I'm producing.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:10

Uh I just need to shock it with some chlorine.

Ed 1:05:15

Yes. Yes. Uh Deja is the bleach. And Kara is the um she's the one that's like, I'm cool with whatever. Right? She's like, she's like the Jeff Bridges of the 1980s. It's like, yeah, I'm rolling with it. I don't care. Meanwhile, I'm the guy who is just like dumping every ounce of equity that he has left in his house into a cable.

Kara 1:05:50

And with that, listeners, we're gonna leave you here and we're going to dive into the next episode, and we will see you next time.

Ed 1:05:59

Yes. Keep it a hot mess, y'all.

Kara 1:06:02

Thanks for listening. Bye.