Ed 0:00

Hey y'all, this is Ed.

Kara 0:01

And this is Kara.

Ed 0:02

This is your day's dumpster fire.

Kara 0:04

Well, we don't celebrate humanity's successes, but its most fantastic failures. I was just gonna say, yay, we didn't botch it.

Ed 0:44

Oh, it's old school. We'll just keep doing what it was in the past. For those of us for those of you who listened to um the last episode of Napoleon's atrocious dumpster fire, people would have noticed that our intro music was really, really shorter. It it was really, really shorter. I don't know if that's grammatically correct.

Kara 1:06

It is not, but it's fine.

Ed 1:07

Really, really short.

Kara 1:09

There you go.

Ed 1:09

It's been it's been shortified. Yeah, so we're just trying to like update things in the podcast, streamline stuff, make it quicker, get it so that we are talking like more into the task at hand. Uh it's all about the the Google clicks and search engine optimization. I've had people say that, oh, you should make sure that like you specify the mission statement of the podcast in the beginning and all that other fun stuff. So we're gonna be changing the formula up a little bit. Uh, I don't know if it's gonna work, but if we're up there with like Joe Rogan and we're making like you know 20 million dollars a year off of this, okay.

Kara 1:58

You could also just tell us if you like it better, email us at the newsdump surfier at gmail.com.

Ed 2:04

Uh yes, yeah, or use that um use that text message thing that you can click on and send us it like a text message. Uh, we won't be able to respond to it, but we can definitely get it and it bypasses the whole email thing. It bypasses all that. So it it literally does send us like a text message, and then we can give you like a huge shout out on upcoming episodes. Like, for example, Kane, how's it going, bro? Thanks for giving us an idea. He's proposing that we do Titanic.

Kara 2:39

I've been wanting I've been talking about doing Titanic for like for months.

Ed 2:45

Yeah, yeah. Only thing is that we wanted it. I I feel like Titanic has been really done. Like it is heavily covered.

Kara 2:55

Yeah, but if we want to do it, we want to do it. I don't really I don't think it matters. Anyway.

Ed 3:00

Yeah, no, it's I yeah, I don't think it really matters either if we want to do it. I was just thinking, like, what kind of twist can we take on it? How can we look at it differently without diving into the really weird conspiracy theories? It was aliens.

Kara 3:16

So in that case, Kane, I will cover Titanic after I finish up my next one. Yeah, and your next one is pretty heavy, which it's a doozy, which is why this episode is not my episode, but it's fine.

Ed 3:31

Yeah, yeah. No, this is this one is gonna be a palette cleanser compared to uh last one. And you know, it we've brought this up in the past where a you can have a pretty severe major thing go wrong, and if it's far enough in the back, like in the past, it's funny, right? And and so like we've talked about um all the grave robbers that you know they the Egyptians set up these the Valley of the Kings, and these tombs were supposed to be impregnable, and they were supposed to have guards and and all that stuff, and and it turns out that the people that made the tombs just went in and just it's just just broke in.

Kara 4:17

Destroyed it, just it was terrible.

Ed 4:19

Yeah, that they just took everything, and today that's comical, but back then that would have been you know heretical. And the same thing with like Napoleon's dumpster fire uh trying to invade Russia, where like we look at it and he really did think it out, he really did have a pretty solid plan getting in there, uh, but it just turned out that uh Russia was gonna fight this their way. Napoleon wasn't expecting that, and so we can just sit back and laugh at it. But then when we talk about more recent stuff, uh stuff that happened within the past 20 years, people die during dumpster fires, but it's too close to really joke about.

Kara 5:06

Yeah.

Ed 5:06

For example, like I've I've gotten uh quite a few people that asked me if we could do the um the Titan sub. And oh my goodness, I remember when that whole thing, and for the lack of better words, went down. Just that was probably one of the most memefied disasters.

Kara 5:31

Yeah, the internet really took it and ran.

Ed 5:33

Yeah, and and to be honest, if I was one of those billionaires that was on board and people wanted to memeify me, okay. I I guess I'm cool with it.

Kara 5:42

Yeah, it'd be fair.

Ed 5:45

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I put myself in that position. Yeah. But you know, it like when it comes to the more recent stuff, we have to be a little careful. For example, I am not touching 9-11.

Kara 5:58

No, yeah, I wouldn't touch 9-11 either.

Ed 6:01

Yeah, 9-11 would be really heavy, and then, you know, just recent terrorist attacks, school shootings, stuff like that. Because I've had people ask me, like, when are we gonna cover you know, like Sandy Hook and stuff like that? And there, yes, there's they they would be classified as dumpster fires, but I feel like it would almost be a tarnish on the victims that were there that you know that obviously suffered or lost their lives during these events. I feel like just equating it to what they had going on as a dumpster fire is rude.

Kara 6:39

Yeah, there's a there's a time gap that we need to be conscious of. Yeah. And also like a topic thing that we have to be conscious of, just to make sure that we're respectful towards everybody who is involved or people who have passed away from those recent events and things like that.

Ed 7:04

Yeah, yeah. And that's why the episode that I have in mind for today is a very, very unique episode because it took place like 20 years ago, and it resulted in millions and millions of dollars worth of damage. And it's a palette cleanser, and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's a pellet cleanser, is because nobody died.

Kara 7:34

Perfect. That's what we're here for. There we go.

Ed 7:37

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, so most of the people that were around back then during this this crazy incident are still around today and they're perfectly fine. And you know, nobody has uh been, you know, permanently altered from this. Now, that's not to say that somebody could have died, but we we we'll get into that. And and I don't know how to classify this dumpster fire because again, we classify dumpster fire as a you try to plan out everything so nothing could go wrong, and then moments after you implement this plan, it just just goes awry, it just flies off the rails. This dumpster fire is a little weird when you look at it from the different perspectives. If you look at it from the perspective of the police, uh this was a dumpster fire because they were grossly unprepared to handle something like this. But if you are from the perspective of Marvin Hemeyer, the guy that uh instigated this whole thing and planned it out, uh, he did a pretty good job. So, and it didn't really go wrong for him. He kind of clearly delivered the message that he was that he was hoping to deliver. So I say we get into it. Uh this episode, as you will see, it is Marv's big bulldozer of destruction. And it's one of those things where perfect if it happened today, uh, given the political climate and all that kind of stuff, this guy would have been an absolute legend. And he was a bit of a legend back then amongst you know weekend warriors, uh, people that uh like to build crazy things and and and all that stuff. And unfortunately, I and I I don't want to say nobody died um in this case, and I kind of want to just do a trigger warning here. Uh, our main main character here, uh, he does take his own life. So there will be mention of a suicide and all that, but that won't be closer to the end. But just wanted to put that out there, and that is the only uh loss in all this. So really what I want to dive into is Marvin Heyer and what happens when when you think you are on the receiving end of gang stalking. And have you ever heard of that term before?

Kara 10:26

What is it?

Ed 10:29

So gang stalking is where uh sometimes it can be like legitimate where there are people doing this to another person, but a lot of times it's kind of like self-perceived. Basically, gang stalking is where you think instead of one person that's targeting you, it's like an entire community, it's an entire town. It's everybody is plotting against you. Got it, and there's there's obviously cases where like something like this has actually happened. Uh like for example, you could look at Oppenheimer, the whole thing after World War II, and just because he dated a communist girl in the past, he literally had like Congress coming after him, and you know, you can make the argument that was gang stalking, and it really did kind of alter his career. In this case, uh, good old Marvin here, it's really tough to tell what percent of this is perceived gang stalking versus what part of this is like an actual legitimate the whole entire town is against him. And we'll start off here because it like if we're gonna look at this in terms of gang stalking, uh, you got to look at it in terms of where he's from and where did he end up. So Marvin Hemeyer, or Marv, that's what it would be called him for short, was born on October 28th, 1951, on a dairy farm in Castlewood, South Dakota. I tried to look up where Castlewood, South Dakota was, and I think Google had a hard time trying to find it. Sweet. Let's see here. Castlewood S D. Let's see here. Oh my goodness. Okay, it did find it.

Kara 12:31

Is it a tiny little itty bitty town?

Ed 12:34

Okay, it is on the eastern side. Um it's uh it looks like it's in the proximity, it's on the 29, which probably nobody knows about. It literally is a collection of farms, and it looks like this town has maybe five or six actual roads. It literally has this uh effect of like it's got like the stoplight.

Kara 13:03

Oh yeah, it's got that one stoplight, one high school, one elementary school, that type of thing.

Ed 13:10

Yeah, yeah. Well, and it's funny because I was looking, I'm looking at the schools here. It's Castlewood Schools, so it's got Yeah, I'm looking at it too.

Kara 13:19

I think it's got everything from K to 12.

Ed 13:21

It's like pre-K through 12, and then it looks like it has a little field off to the side. And actually, it probably isn't a bad place to live. Like, I wouldn't mind retiring in a town like that. Just super small, you know, everything is oh my gosh, I want to go to this place. All the kids look alike.

Kara 13:41

Everybody knows everybody.

Ed 13:42

Um, I want to go. I don't know if you see this on the map, it's called Briches and Buckles.

Kara 13:51

That's actually the first thing my eyes didn't see when he was went. Oh my goodness.

Ed 13:55

I'm looking at a picture of it. It's literally just a house. Oh yeah. So yeah, this guy, man, he is he's coming from small town America, South Dakota. There's nothing in the Dakotas. My daughter's uh best friend, I think they're from North Dakota. It's so funny because like in Arizona, when it gets cold, it's like 40-50 degrees, and they're just wearing like t-shirts. Whereas in in North Dakota, when it gets cold, it is like 20 below. So South Dakota isn't a whole lot different. So yeah, Castlewood, South Dakota, and I could see why he moved out eventually. But yeah, no, uh, his childhood was typical childhood of anyone living in a dairy farm in 1970s. Uh 1974, he moved to the Lowry Lowry, I think it's Lowry Air Force Base in Colorado, uh, because that's where he was stationed. He he was in the Air Force. He had a knack for mechanical things, he was really good with his hands. Uh he was a brilliant welder, as we will see here later on. And I guess uh he eventually he puts together a muffler shop called Marv's Mufflers, and I guess at that time, like you would have to weld, like you just didn't bolt on a new muffler, you had to cut it, you had to trim it, you had to weld stuff, like you just didn't slap one on. Like back then you had to put a lot of work into it. That's probably still the case today. So, yeah, uh he moved to Lowry Air Force Base in Colorado uh because he was there, and then in 1989, Marv moved to Grand Lake, Colorado, which is about 16 miles outside of Granby, Colorado. Granby is an interesting place that that's where the setting for this story is going to take place. I when I was working in trucking, I had a customer that was based out of Granby, and it he it was a recycler and it was really interesting. There's something about Granby, Colorado, where the people there are hard. Like they're just tough people. This guy was literally on the phone with me on his cell phone, uh standing outside of his house trying to put together the load and like where is it going and all that kind of stuff, while he was hosing down his house that was on fire. So he had a garden hose in one hand, he was on a cell phone on the other one, trying to book a load. It was actually trying to help out one of our drivers while his house was on fire, and you could hear the fire truck in the background spraying water on his house as well. What excellent multitasking skills that guy that was absolutely wild now that one is up there, I think, when I there was that one incident where there was like a uh tornado outside of like Dallas, Texas, or something like that, and there was a customer there who was trying to book a load with our trucking company, and I could hear the air sirens in the background as there was like a tornado approaching. So like he was literally like, Oh yeah, no, let's uh pick we'll pick it up here and we'll deliver over there, and you know, it'll be the trailer be filled with this and that. And I'm like, What? Do I hear sirens in the background? It's like, oh yeah, yeah, we we just got a tornado on the way. Sick. What why are you on the phone with me? Well, I gotta get I gotta get this picked up. Like, oh okay, well, here, I'll I'll get a truck going and you just get out of there and then we'll sort it out later, okay? I mean, nothing stops for trucking. Uh geez, but yeah, there's something about Granby that's just uh intense like that, as well, we'll see here in a little bit. Um, so yeah, uh 89 he moved to Grant where he moved to Grand Lake, and then uh he eventually moved to Granby, Colorado, and he set up his own muffler shop called Marv's Mufflers, and he gained a really good reputation. Uh Marv was really liked, and and you know small town America, if you are an outsider moving in, there's a process of people getting to know you. Like you move to any small town, Arizona is like this, right? You move to like say Alpine, which is a beautiful little town, but if you move in there, say from Phoenix, everybody knows you're an outsider. Like, because there's families that have been there since the 1800s, and like they're not gonna be, they won't have any animosity towards you, but they're also gonna be like, oh, city slicker is moving in. And Marv was kind of like that, although I would hardly classify Castlewood, South Dakota as a city slicking town. Um, it's more like a village, but he moved there and people really liked him right off the bat, and so he he fit it in, fit in, fatted in, fit, fit in, okay. Uh yeah, I should really just tear up my English degree. I've got this. I've completely forgotten how to English. Yep. I can read good and do other stuff good too.

Kara 19:38

No, you're fine, you're doing great.

Ed 19:39

My tiny little zoolinder cell phone. Yeah, that's the positive assumptions we all look for. So, oh yeah, so everybody liked him. He was uh he was a pretty affable guy, he was really nice, outgoing. Uh, he kinda had a way with women. Uh I want to say he was a womanizer, but he was very charismatic. Uh, on Thursdays, he had a club that would meet up at his house, and they it started off obviously with like one or two people, but then over the years it ballooned to like half of Granby showing up, uh, where they would just go snowmobiling. Like that was his thing. And uh yeah, he had people participating as young as like 15. Uh going all the way up to like retirement age. And yeah, they would uh yeah, he would just go, you know, snowmobiling all over the place. Uh Colorado's good for that because during the winter it is well, we remember remember that 70 during uh in trucking uh during the winter. That 70 was uh um that got interesting.

Kara 20:53

It it was just lots of snow, lots of ice. You wouldn't want to drive it.

Ed 20:57

No, you really want to drive it, and there's parts where you have to chain up all the time and and whatnot.

Kara 21:03

Yeah, it's a good time.

Ed 21:04

So yeah, some days he would have like four dudes show up, and then other days it would be like 24. And everybody called Marv. Uh he had like a nickname, it was Marv Bumper, where we he would take stock tubing and custom fit or slash weld it uh to your snowmobile to reinforce it and make it stronger. So like he would basically put like a roll cage on your snowmobile. It you know, in just a case of those.

Kara 21:34

If that's not foreshadowing, I don't know what that's uh yeah, yeah.

Ed 21:38

Yeah, that well, I mean, obviously we know Ultimate's gonna involve a bulldozer. I just don't think you could really do as much damage as he did with the snowmobile. I could just see him just then back up, clunk. He's like trying to take out a Costco. Uh so yeah, but he uh yeah, I mean uh pipe fitting is A very, very tricky um welding skill to have, and so that's what he would do is he would take square tubing, round tubing, box tubing, and all that kind of stuff, and he would weld it together and he would modify these snowmobiles for people. Um, for the most part, he was a pretty good businessman, especially with this muffler shop. Uh, he had a lot of good business. Uh, he was always considered a pretty successful guy, especially in the early 90s. And uh, yeah, he was just a um a good old guy. And if you see a picture of him, you you can you can tell, like, oh, he's like there's people that when you take a picture of him, like they're smiling, but you know it's a plastered on smile.

Kara 22:49

There are some people who take a picture and they give off a vibe.

Ed 22:52

Yes. And it could be a good vibe or a bad vibe. And you see a picture of Marv here, and he's like, I would hang out with him. He's like the kind of guy that you'd have a beer with. He just looks like a dude. Yeah. Yep. Just dude, doing his thing. Yep, doing dude things with mufflers. Um, I want to do a quick note about Granby. It is about 50, 60 miles west of Denver, and it is kind of in the middle. Um, it's it's more, I would say it's more due west of Boulder, Colorado. So, like, yeah, it looks like you go up to 25 and then you turn left on some street that takes you to Boulder. You keep going on that street, and you know, about an hour or so later, you will hit Granby. So it is the epitome of small town. I guess guys from South Dakota. I mean, he knows small town. At the time, it only had a population of about 2,000 people, which is tiny.

Kara 23:55

It's pretty darn small.

Ed 23:57

Yeah, yeah. That's uh that's yeah. I don't want to say podunk, but that's definitely a uh, again, small town vibes. Um, it was located in the middle of of the uh mountains, so it was surrounded by mountains, and it was actually a really good tourist spot, a lot of good snowboarding, snowmobiling, all that kind of stuff. So it would generate a lot of traffic in that regard. And so, yeah, the the winters were also uh a little on the harsh side. Two weeks out of the year, the temperatures wouldn't even give above get above 10 degrees Fahrenheit. So there's like always a two-week period of the year where water like instantly freezes.

Kara 24:43

Sick.

Ed 24:43

And my mom would tell me, like, whenever they went up to I think Minnesota, uh, there was a resort they would go up to up there every once in a while, and of course it would be like 10 degrees outside. Uh the worst part of the day was sitting on the toilet seat.

Kara 25:02

I could believe that. Was that cold out?

Ed 25:05

Yeah, I could see it. Even even when you had the heat on in your house, it was still butt cheeks on cold ceramic porcelain. Oh good time. Yeah, maybe if you had a sunburn on your butt cheek, it would feel good, but otherwise, yeah. I mean, I'm not sure how you get a sunburn on your butt cheek in the middle of winter. Um, I feel like there would have to be a snow burn. I I I guess. I feel like there would have to be alcohol involved.

Kara 25:37

Oh, yeah, that's true.

Ed 25:38

To get like a good old-fashioned cherry lobster red sunburn on your butt in the middle of winter, I feel like there would have to be copious amounts of alcohol involved. And even still like you'd wake up the following morning and not even be like, what is going on with my butt? So, so yeah, Granby is considered like the epitome of small town. Um, Granby is one of these locations where everybody knows everybody, kind of like what you mentioned about that Castlewood place. Uh the like, say the board of the governing board of Granby, you know, it could have like 10 people on it. All 10 people know each other, all 10 of them went to the same school, all their parents knew each other, they would have a family reunion, and uh their families had had are so interconnected that a family union just turns into like a county fair because everybody's related to somebody. Sick. Uh yeah, it it's um and and it's tough to break into that, and it and it can be intimidating, um, you know, kind of like our class where we don't have a mega huge class, but they're a very, very tight-knit group of people, and you know, and it can be intimidating uh trying to break into that. So I don't know how much of that Marb had to deal with, but it is a dynamic to just keep in the back of your mind. All right, the good old boys club. The uh that one phrase that I know you don't like.

Kara 27:20

I don't care for it, but it's alright.

Ed 27:23

I I it's one of those things where the good old boys club is just a fact of reality, but if you're not a part of it, it's really hard to be successful when the good old boys club is the thing that governs everything.

Kara 27:37

Yeah.

Ed 27:37

So yeah, it's uh it's it's McNarly in that regard. So 1992, a two-acre plot of land opened up next to Marv's muffler shop. So this plot of land um would kind of like imagine this road, like a dirt road leading to Marv's muffler shop. And this two-acre plot of land would have formed like just to the south of Marv's little plot for his muffler shop. So it would have gone to the just to the south of it, and then it went to the left or to the west side of his shop or his property, and it crossed that road that would be the only way to get to Marv's shop. So it was this plot of land that came up for sale that if somebody bought it and somebody wanted to basically develop it, they could, in theory, cut Marv off from any way of getting there. From his perspective, I could see how like Marv would see this land auction being a uh uh literally a barrier for him. So that yeah, the Taker plot of land opened up next to Marv's muffler shop that he intended to win. So Marv was at the auction, he wanted to ultimately buy this plot of land, and then he was gonna lease it out to one of his friends that were that were intending to build like a repair shop. Marv won the property for a whopping $42,000, which Okay, okay, yeah, that's uh that's a that's a decent price. Uh-huh.

Kara 29:19

That's not bad.

Ed 29:20

And he beat out Cody Doschev. So the Dosev family is the main, probably the most prominent family in in in in Canbury. Canberry? Canbury? Uh Granby. Oh my goodness.

Kara 29:41

There you go.

Ed 29:41

Yeah. It's late.

Kara 29:42

It it's late.

Ed 29:43

Yeah. Late and words are hard. So in Granby, like the Doshef family is kind of like uh if you read uh if you read The Crucible by Arthur Miller, it's the Putnam family that is the family that that really has the biggest influence. And uh Cody Dosef is kind of like the patriarch. He was the main head of this prominent family in Granby, and he knew everybody, and all the people that did all the uh certifications, all the people that did all the code checking to build stuff to code, uh, he knew everybody on the board. Uh, I think he had served time on the town's board. It you know, like it's just he's just one of those guys where you say Cody and everybody in town knows who you're talking about, even if there's like 25 Cody.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

Yeah.

Ed 30:43

Like, if you just say, Oh yeah, I talked to Cody the other day, like people just automatically know. So yeah, he uh he also knew a lot of people that sat at county positions as well. So it wasn't just Granby, uh, it was the whole county that he knew. According to Marv, so we don't have any confirmation on this because nobody else was there, but according to Marv, when he won that little two-acre plot of land, Cody approached Marv and proceeded to like chew Marv out, like a really, really harsh talking to whatever that looks like after you've lost an auction for two acres of land. Uh, but I guess from uh according to Marv, uh Cody went up to him, started berating him, and he was really, really upset that Marv bought the land from underneath him. Uh yeah, there was nobody present, but that according to Marv, that is what happened, which that kind of puts the ball in Cody's yard or the Dosehiff yard as for why this feud started to begin. That yeah, started to begin. Oh man, I am just firing in all cylinders. Why this feud began. Uh so uh the plot of land purchased was pretty much undeveloped except for a concrete slab and a giant cement mixing drum uh to contain sewage. So it yeah, it it's one of these things where uh Marv's muffler shop and all that stuff really wasn't connected to the uh sewage lines of the city. And and I can kind of see why it's he's kind of remote, and it would have taken some time and a lot of money to connect to it. So he got a cement mixing truck and he buried the cement mixer drum thingy, and that's where all your toilets flushed into. He basically turned it into a giant septic tank.

Kara 33:01

Yeah. It's great. That's gross. Uh I mean it's it's I I I I mean, I understand septic tanks in the movie they work, and I understand what he's trying to do, but it was just the image of a cement truck full of poo stuff.

Ed 33:18

Yep.

Kara 33:18

Yeah. In my brain.

Ed 33:20

Yeah.

Kara 33:20

And it just made me cringe.

Ed 33:22

I I I had the visualization of the cement truck driving down the road and out of the back, like every time it hits a bump, it literally like just farts out poo water.

Kara 33:37

Spinning while it's going.

Ed 33:40

Yeah, it's it's spinning, it's spraying water on it. You know how to keep it cool.

Kara 33:44

So it's just yeah, we gotta make sure that the fertilizer is to solidify on you. Yeah. So good.

Ed 33:54

Could you imagine calling in an order of concrete and they accidentally mix it up like with I need concrete, but then like here comes this cement truck that pulls up and they put the little guide ramps on it and everything, and they open it up and it's just sewage coming out for a foundation of a house. What this god. Somebody forgot the somebody forgot to check a box on the paperwork for that one. That's nasty. But yeah, Marv, he just to just for simplicity's sake, he took the uh container drum. I don't know what those things are called, but he he took the working end of a dump or of a of a concrete cement truck and proceeded to use that as a septic tank. And then what you do is you have people come out and they they siphon it out. Yeah. So uh I hey man, you know, that's the most American. You gotta do what you gotta do. Like it's the most American way of doing something, especially if it's held in with duct tape. That would be even better. Shortly after winning the land, Marv found himself in front of the city council who told Marv that, and it's just it's so funny because he had his muffler shop for a couple of years now. Nobody said anything about his cement truck septic system. And I do find it kind of strange that, like, right after uh Marv won that two-acre plot of land, uh, that he kind of bought from you know, he just kind of swept in and got it from Cody or prevented Cody from getting it. All of a sudden, he was in front of the board and he had to answer to why he didn't have sewage pipes laid down that fed into the city.

unknown 35:36

Okay.

Ed 35:37

So it's just like, hey, I won this plot of land, and this Dogef guy is like, hmm, okay. Uh let me make some phone calls to some of my friends, and now here's here's Marv.

Kara 35:50

Like, here's some problems that now you have to figure out.

Ed 35:54

Yeah, that that weren't ever a problem before. Yeah, they were like, you got to connect this to the main line, which is 150 yards away. And basically, to properly put in a sewage line, it would have cost more than what the property was worth.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Yeah.

Ed 36:10

The chairman of the committee was Ron Thompson, who was the grandson of the original Thompson that had been in Granby since the beginning and or since the beginning of the town, and the Thompsons were a very wealthy and influential family in the community. It is really sending out crucible vibes where you've got all these families that have known each other for decades and for generations, and they're living in close proximity. And if you're in, you're in. But if you're an outsider and they have a beef with you, there is nothing you can do. So Ron Thompson was also like best buddies with Cody Dosev. We're going to see that much of the leadership and influential people in the town all grew up together, and they were all very close. Like literally every married couple were high school sweethearts.

Kara 37:07

Yeah. You know, just it's just the nature of the town.

Ed 37:11

Yeah, yeah. It's just everybody knows each other, which is cool, but it's also it has its downsides.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

Yeah.

Ed 37:19

Marv ultimately declined to install sewage, a install sewage line, install a sewage line, and even refused to put in a septic tank because he felt that the sewage lines were supposed to be the purview of the government, even though installing a septic tank would it be significantly cheaper. So here we start to see Marv kind of go down this path of uh, you know, this is the job of the government, or this is somebody else's responsibility. This is not my thing. And I bet he was coming to that conclusion when he had been operating just fine for a few years now, and nobody said anything until now. Yeah. 1997, the Dosha family uh made plans to expand their concrete batch plant, and they were buying up land around their plot of land, which also staped to butt up against Marv's uh property. It was encouraged that the Dosha family offer to buy up Marv's property so that they can expand, but not expand in the direction of the private homes and hotels. So that was the other thing. It's like they wanted to expand their little concrete manufacturing empire, but they couldn't obviously, people didn't want them expanding into uh residential areas or resort areas, so they had to like expand in the direction of Marv's muffler shop. And as you will see, that will cause problems. Uh at first, Marv asked for $250,000 to for them to buy that property that I think Marv spent like $42,000 for. He would have turned a nice little profit there, and then right at the last minute, he changed it. He's like, Oh no, I want $350,000. And so then the Dogefs are like, Oh, fine, whatever. And then right after that, he's like, Oh no, I want $450,000. And eventually the Dogefs were like, screw this. Uh the plans failed, and Marv was successful in stonewalling uh the Dogefs out of any progress that could potentially strangle uh Marv's little muffler shop. This wasn't going to stop the Dog Chefs from expanding at all costs, and Marv gathered a lot of support to his side. So uh he he really did have that personality where he could persuade people, and he got a lot of people on his side to testify that the concrete plant would be loud, dirty, otherwise unwelcome to the community. Like, okay, all right. So it looks like Marv is, you know, he's he's trying to play the game, he's playing the democracy game. The Dogas responded to the concerns by promising to put in proper safeguards as well as other measures to reduce the concerns the surrounding homes had about the new construction. I don't know if you've ever spent any time near a concrete mixing plant. They are kind of loud. You know, there's yeah, that's fair.

Kara 40:33

Especially if you're thinking about a town this size. If you have a giant plant in a town that's pretty small, it's going to stand out, and people are going to hear it a lot more than if you would be in a bigger city.

Ed 40:48

Yeah, exactly. And there's that that uh phrase or that acronym in SimCity called NIMBY, which is N-I-M-B-Y, which says, not in my backyard.

unknown 41:03

Yeah.

Ed 41:04

Like you could have a beautiful plot of land and a gorgeous house, and you've got like a one-acre-sized, you know, forested or whatever backyard, and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, somebody builds like a coal power plant, yeah, about a half a mile away, and it's just spewing out black smoke.

Kara 41:28

And all you see now is smoke and the two spouts that the smoke is coming out of. Yes.

Ed 41:33

Yep. And it's really fast, it's like they plop it down and then it goes boom, and then next thing you know, there's a coal power plant in your backyard. Because that's exactly how SimCity works. Uh, for the four people that probably remember playing that game. So uh the Dogas, yeah, they were like, okay, no, we'll we will put the proper safeguards up, we will make sure that we don't make everything super tall and obnoxious and and all that kind of stuff. And what makes it so loud is that you have to grind up that media, that dust that actually turns into cement. Like you have to grind and mix all that stuff up. So they promised that they were gonna do everything in their part to you know make it so that it wasn't a huge eyesore. Uh later, a city clerk wrote a letter to the newspaper saying that Marv had a vendetta against the Dosha family, but constantly having his land appraised and then the values jacked up to make it difficult for the Dosefs to proceed. So this reporter kind of spilled the beans on, like, oh hey, drama in the Dose Chef Marv part of town. Um, and as a result, this little op-ed quickly changed the opinion of the crowd, and soon Marv found himself alone and without any support. So again, like, okay, uh, did this reporter have something against Marv? Uh, did the Dogefs do something like the Buddy Buddy system and you know, kind of made Marv's life a bit more difficult? I'm not sure, but I can kind of see how people could draw that conclusion because it only gets worse from here. By November of 2000, Marv filed a lawsuit against the Dog Chefs, uh, trying to block the expansion by claiming that this concrete business would actually essentially block the access to his business. There was another way to get to the muffler shop, but it you had to go really far out of route, and the roads weren't anywhere nearly uh uh you know kept and all that kind of stuff. So I could kind of see Marv's point here like, hey, if you build this concrete plant here, that like that's good. Like they're you they're gonna have to kill that road. To like build a plant, and that's the only road that realistically gets to my my business. I can kind of see I can see it. Yeah, I can kind of see it.

Kara 44:09

So I can see the worry there.

Ed 44:11

Yeah, wholeheartedly agree. Now, how you handle that worry?

Kara 44:16

Right. That's that's the difference.

Ed 44:19

Yes, which we're we're getting kind of close to here. So the judge handling the case, a local journalist, and people inspecting the aerial photography all said that the expansion wouldn't hurt Marv's business. Again, I looked at a map of it. I'm not exactly sure I believe their assessment. But then again, though, we're also talking about a judge who's supposed to be impartial. They're like hunting buddies with Thompson's and the Doe Chefs and all that stuff. So uh they're gonna say, oh yeah, no, it's fine, even though from Marv's perspective, this could be a you know, like a noose around his business's neck. At this point, uh Marv believed that everybody was working against him, they were plotting against him, and this is tough. I don't I don't know 100% what is true and what's not. I feel like at least organically things were working against him. But in terms of like the Doe Chefs or the Thompsons or somebody twisting their their Machiavelli mustache, you know, with this grand scheme to once and for all do Marvin and ruin him and all that, I I don't know if that was really the case. No, but then again, though, I can see it. I can kind of see where he's coming from.

Kara 45:46

I can see his perspective to a degree, but I don't think on the other side the intention was, oh, we don't like Marv, so we're gonna do what we can to screw him over, like personally.

Ed 45:58

Yeah, I don't think they were having meetings and like, oh, it's the anti-Marv club this afternoon, and everybody's showing up and they're like, So who's gonna like ruin Marv's truck and who's gonna take their turn ruining his business? And who's gonna take the turn to burn down his house? Like, I don't think there is anything.

Kara 46:19

No, to me, it sounds more uh it sounds a lot like gentrification. Oh which we see more now than we did back in 2000, but yeah, to me it sounds a lot like gentrification to where okay, we're gonna build all of these things around all of these other places that have been here for a long time.

Ed 46:38

Yeah, no, that that's I I I completely forgot about that word. So that's that that that's one of those words that really summarizes what is what could go on here.

Kara 46:50

There's a lot of words that you can use. That one's a strong word. I'm not saying gentrification is what's happening here, I'm just saying it sounds similar to yeah, no, I I I agree.

Ed 47:04

So yeah, um, I think it was right around this part that Marv started to keep like a tape recorder journal. And uh after everything was said and done, they found all these tapes, and like you can hear him start off normal, and then over the course of weeks or months and even years, he kind of spirals into like this conspiracy theory, and you know, people are out to get him, and then it eventually goes to like I'm doing God's will, uh, this plan that I have is an act of providence.

Kara 47:42

And he really spiraled a little bit, huh?

Ed 47:45

Yes, yeah, and and what I think causes that is extreme isolation, and it's not like he was isolated in terms of you know, he's in the middle of nowhere in a little log cabin. It's more, and I think this is worse, it's a social isolation where when you are around a large group of people and you feel like you can't connect with anybody, yeah, that's hard, and yeah, and and you and you're trying to piece together some sort of reality that would work. And I think what Marv did is he found God, like, oh, you know, God's everywhere, God can be my friend. I will I will do all of this, and if it happens, then it's through God's will. Yeah, kind of like you can make the argument that um, all right, if there is a God, strike me down with lightning. It you know, it doesn't happen, therefore there's no god, but in reverse. In uh June of 2001, that was weird. I was a junior in high school in 2001.

Kara 48:52

I was eight or nine. I was nine.

Ed 48:56

Okay, and I also realized too, this was just like three months before 9-11. Uh yeah, it's just oh yeah, yeah, this is weird um how far back this is. But, anyways, uh Joe Dog chef offered a deal to Marv, offering to allow Marv easement. I guess that's a uh uh a realty term for giving Marv the ability to run sewage through the Dog Chef property, which would make Marv's life, uh Marv's life so much easier and cheaper. And basically, instead of having to run the sewage line all over the place, which would cost a huge fortune, uh the Dog Chefs were like, hey bro, you know, if you drop the lawsuit against us, we will we will even help you uh with the cost to run a sewage line under our property to help you get it connected to the rest of the city. Like, I think that's actually a good gesture. I think that is a reasonable gesture, like, hey, drop the lawsuit and we will help you get your sewage line run and you know figure it out. Yeah, like and even the Dogefs needed their mufflers replaced. So they're like, hey, we work right next to a guy. Um, and of course, in typical Marv fashion, uh at this time, because he's spiraling, uh, Marv just hung up on Dogef. Okay. After Marv hung up on the offer, he proceeded to use a gasoline pump and pump his sewage into the irrigation ditch that ran behind his property.

Kara 50:39

Oh boy.

Ed 50:40

So he's literally Marv.

Kara 50:42

Yeah, Marvy buddy.

Ed 50:44

Yeah, he's uh he's he's making uh a lake of diarrhoea.

Kara 50:49

Uh yeah.

Ed 50:51

Then he illegally tried to connect his sewage line to the neighbor's line where he was caught and fine $2,500. So uh yeah, he was caught like trying to hook a hose up to his neighbor's sewage line. I remember in the old days of cable television, people would open up those telephony boxes and they would put a coaxial splitter in there, and then like if you wanted cable television, all you had to do is just open that thing up and you would have the coax cable just sitting there that had cable television with like a hundred channels, and you literally just plugged it in to your house number and you had cable sweet that you didn't have to pay for. Not that I ever did anything like that. I I just read about it in a book, yes, or a magazine, um, a book written by Henry David Thoreau, yes.

Kara 51:50

That timeline doesn't work, yeah.

Ed 51:52

We don't ask questions. Uh Thoreau was very progressive.

Kara 51:56

Uh when he was living he was very ahead of the times, yes.

Ed 52:01

When he set up his little cabin by Walden Pond, uh he had it set up.

Kara 52:05

He hooked up his cable.

Ed 52:06

Yeah, he had coaxial cable running to it. Um so uh yeah, using a gasoline pump to pump his poo and sewage into an irrigation ditch behind the property. He then tried to legally connect. He got caught, fine $2,500, which all this stuff is adding to his paranoia. That's a literal poo show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly what this is. Um the paranoia poo show. I can only imagine my wife if she was doing this because she deals with like solid waste. I could only imagine getting that phone call, like, whoa, who's using a gasoline pump to pump sewage into an irrigation dish behind somebody's property? Oh, oh, it's Marv? Got it. Okay, yeah. I yeah, we're good. We know what to do. It's good old Marv doing Marv things.

Kara 53:04

Oh, Marv.

Ed 53:05

Uh yeah, like I said, it's I I see his perspective.

Kara 53:10

I see his what's I saw his perspective for a little bit, but now I'm a little concerned about his response here.

Ed 53:18

Yeah, it's one of those things where in you can judge somebody not so much in like the problems or challenges that they faced, but more how did they respond to those challenges?

Kara 53:35

Yeah.

Ed 53:37

Like, yeah, and it seems like the Doe Chefs were kind of offering their like a uh a peace offering.

Kara 53:44

And yeah, they're they're olive branch.

Ed 53:48

Yeah, they're uh they're they're offering up their own uh poop shoots, so to speak. Yeah, yeah. Um all that corn's gotta go somewhere. Yeah, we've got uh we've literally got a river of sewage being dumped into somebody else's property. Yeah, in November of 2001, Marv was found in contempt of court. Um sorry, not contempt of court, it was contempt of town code, and was ordered to remove this cement barrel and fix the connection issues by July of 2003. So now we're we're kind of leaning towards things working against Marv, like actively working against him. It maybe it was because he just got busted too many times doing really shady stuff with his sewage. But again, now it's like the whole uh town board is like, no, Marv, you've now have to fix this. Uh, here's your deadline, and oh, by the way, nobody can inhabit uh your property until this is dealt with. So they basically shut them down. Dang. And it yeah, and and and now we're now I'm kind of like going back to Marv and be like, okay, that that is like using the code, using the city's laws and regulations to kind of you know screw somebody over. Like they weaponized the politics.

Kara 55:20

Yeah.

Ed 55:21

That that was kind of it. And at this point, Marv was staunchly in in the idea that the entire town was out to uh get him. Everyone was colluding uh to prevent Marv from operating. And at first, Marv agreed to the terms, but then immediately retracted his statement. A lawyer at the judgment here, judgment heard Marv muttering as he's like walking out of the courtroom. Like he heard Marv just say under his breath, I'm gonna bulldozer this whole place to the ground.

Kara 55:56

Oh no. And that's one of those statements where you know you hear that like it could, it sounds like it could be a throwaway, he's just mad uh type of sentence. But but he meant it.

Ed 56:13

Yeah, yeah. Looking back at it, yeah, it sounded like he he really meant it because he's a man of his word, yeah, yeah. He had good integrity in that regard. If he said he was gonna do something, he the bulldozer. So maybe this is the real dumpster fire. This is yeah, but by now, uh, he was firmly in in the uh uh assumption that God is looking out for him, and he's gonna build this bulldozer that is going to be able to show, like put the Dosefs and the Thompsons and everybody in their place, and he's doing it because God wants them to learn a lesson. Great, cool. Okay, got God backing you up, and he also had made a purchase right around this time, and it was a very, very big and expensive purchase, and his idea was that he was gonna get uh he bought a Komatsu D355A bulldozer. Uh, he won it in an auction for $16,000, and this thing was a beast. So in the front of it had the bulldozer thing, like the big scoop, and then on the back side, uh he had a it looks kind of like an upside down scorpion tail, and it's this giant hook-like thingy that just digs into the ground, and you can just tear up anything with it. You can rip out a road. What Marv was originally gonna do with this D355A bulldozer was that he was gonna use that feature and make his own sewage line. He was like, Okay, I'm just gonna do it myself.

Kara 57:59

Um, I mean, I can kind of get that. Like, yep. That, you know, I'll do it myself attitude. DIY it.

Ed 58:10

Yeah, yeah, that's cool. And you know, since it was gonna cost us a fortune to do all that work or pay somebody else to do it, it's like, okay, fine, I'll just go get this giant bulldozer and I'll um yeah, I'll just do it myself. Now, this D35 bulldozer is a flipping beast just on its own. 13 feet tall, 29 feet long. That's like the fuselage of I think like a fighter jet. It was 10 feet wide, it had a V8 turbocharged diesel engine with 410 horsepower. So this thing was not gonna set any land speed records, but at the 5 miles an hour that it ran, nothing was gonna stop it. Just yeah, the amount of torque that he had. Uh, it was 49 tons in weight. Uh he added more stuff to it, which we'll get to. And to kind of put it into perspective, uh, I'm gonna reference your favorite movie of all time, Fury.

Kara 59:21

I it's fine.

Ed 59:22

Yeah, I know. I I I I know your your your stance on it. It's more of a visual thing than it is.

Kara 59:29

Yeah, it's I understand what they were trying to do. I I understand the intention, yeah, the execution could have been better. That's all I'm saying.

Ed 59:40

Yeah, like it just doesn't vibe, and I agree when you compare a movie like that to say like Saving Pribert Ryan, where there's such character development and like Yeah, but I mean it's also Spielberg, like yeah, yeah, so that's kind of yeah, anyway. Yeah, uh we've we like we've discussed this amongst other things in the past, but uh we digress. I the only reason why I'm bringing this next part up is because when I first read about this like months ago, I had also just watched Fury, and so I'm like, wow, that bulldozer and a tiger tank have a lot of similarities. So the German tiger tank was the biggest tank in the German arsenal. I think it was the biggest tank in all of the war. Um, it was 9 feet 10 inches tall, so not quite 13 feet. Uh, it was 20 feet 8.7 inches long. Uh, so it was a little shorter than this Komatsu, 11 feet 8 inches wide. Uh, it had a V12 petrol engine, so it ran off of gasoline, and it was packing a wild 690 horsepower, and it weighed 57 tons in weight. So you kind of get an idea that this bulldozer was a tank. This thing was a beast, like just compared to the biggest tank in World War II. And later on, after the events of everything, it was eventually called the Killdozer. And uh, Netflix has a really good documentary on this whole incident that it's like a movie-length long documentary, and it does a really good job explaining like both sides, like both perspectives and and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, killdozer as it was called by the media and then became known as the MK Tank or Marvin's Killdozer Tank. And you're thinking, like, what how why does this bulldozer what why are they referencing a tank? Well, we'll we'll get to that. So after the auction, uh Marv had the bulldozer shipped to his muffler shop where he promptly displayed it in his parking lot up right in front of Dogef's uh cement business. So we think that he was sending a message to the Doe Chefs like, keep doing what you're doing, and this bulldozer is coming your way. At the time he did that, though, he put his muffler shop and all of his purchased lands up for auction. So that should be a red flag there. Like, hmm, homeboy just bought a gigantic bulldozer, and now he's selling all of his properties. Hmm. Sounds like this guy's looking for like a one-way ticket. Uh, a few things to note about the sale of his property. Uh, his land sold instantly, uh, sold in October of 2002. He got over $450,000 for everything, which was 10 times the amount of money that he originally spent uh a decade prior. Wow. That's again not a bad turnaround. Within 24 hours of the property sale, the new owners. I love the name of this. This sounds like a company that you would have been assigned to in trucking. It's called the Trash Company.

Kara 1:03:10

Oh, yeah, that's mine.

Ed 1:03:15

Like, well, there is no doubt in anybody's mind exactly what this company does.

Kara 1:03:21

It it's straight to the point, and it tells you what it is. Yeah. So I can't knock them.

Ed 1:03:28

Yeah, no.

Kara 1:03:29

I mean, they it's catchy. You know, I want to know what their slogan was.

Ed 1:03:36

Oh, yeah.

Kara 1:03:37

I like it.

Ed 1:03:37

I like it. Maybe it was like a little Cyclops thing with one eye.

Kara 1:03:43

That no comment.

Ed 1:03:48

Yeah, we can't. Yeah, I I I really can't get into that, but um yeah, so the trash company, they they bought it, and what's really funny is that within 24 hours of the property sale, the new owners, the trash company, was able to build a good connection to the sewer main without any issues.

Kara 1:04:11

Yeah, not yeah.

Ed 1:04:12

So, like, if Marv had just just done it, he would have been done in a day, but he was adamant, like, big government, big this and that. Like I said, this guy would be an icon today, given the political um status of our nation. Like, the way that this guy thought, there's a lot of really wild conspiracy theories out there that he would have just fit right in with all that. They that trash company got the sewage thing figured out within a day. Now, what is even more interesting to note is that Marv did take a small lease. So he sold all his lands, but then he also like took a lease on one of his old buildings. So he sold the building, and then he's like, Oh, hey, can I rent my old building back? I've got something I need to take care of. And uh the way he worded it is like I've got to finish up some final projects. Uh, he did try to put the thing up for sale, so the bulldozer is for sale. He tried to get rid of it when I guess when everything was kind of falling apart, and he's like, Well, I I obviously can't lay a sewage line now because the whole town's against me. So he took it off of sale mode, taking it off of the market. There we go. And he took it off the market and he leased out like a workshop so he could finish up some projects. Meanwhile, the bulldozer never sold. This was probably done on purpose. Marvin discovered that the bulldozer was one inch short of the the maximum length of his leased out garage. In other words, from you know tip to tail, he had one inch of spare room. Like that's yeah. Now when you think about that's unfortunate. Well I don't think it really matters when we look at the modifications that he made to it because you put anything greater than an inch on there and then it won't fit.

Kara 1:06:29

Right.

Ed 1:06:30

As we will see Marv figures out a way. Uh Marv took the failed sale of the bulldozer as like a sign from God that he needed to go through with his plan. So it's one of those things where it's like okay I I am going to buy a lottery ticket and if I win it then I know that is a sign from God that I need to buy Ferrari.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

Okay.

Ed 1:07:04

Yeah it's that it's that that train of thought which is like what okay I I guess I mean whatever yeah whatever floats are both you sleep yeah yeah so yeah this this bulldozer barely fit inside of his garage and for 18 months um marvin like Frankenstein welded away in a leased out shop on a wild plot that would teach his enemies what would happen when someone is pushed too far. So for 18 months I I I don't know about you but I I was thinking of a montage like a time lapse. Yeah just like just fast forward him welding a bunch of stuff on his thing just all over the place welding this and that and then then it will like slow down as he lowers a piece of metal in place and then it picks back up again and we see the seasons go by. Yeah yeah yeah see the sun and the moon just like alternate and so June 4th 2004 it's a normal summer day in Granby Colorado uh people were going about their business uh there was a library that was attached attached to the town hall uh and there was a read aloud going on so all these little kids were in this library and there was some teacher reading out loud to the class the Mountain Parks concrete facility uh the Dosef owned establishment that so wronged Marv. You know that was like the bane of his existence uh this concrete plant was producing well concrete right Cody Dosev was on site managing for the manufacturing of concrete deputies uh Jim Craker I think it's Craker and Rich Gardner were patrolling their usual routes state patrollers Dave Batura uh Jack DeSante and Mike McGinley were doing whatever it is that state troopers do state trooper things yes yep like you know pulling people over giving tickets you know checking doing their thing yeah yeah whatever yeah whatever occupies their day in a very very very small town lieutenant Walt Eldridge and under sheriff Glenn Trainer we'll hear a lot more from trainer uh were on standby for any miscreants up to no good uh writers for the I love the name of this newspaper writers and editors for the sky high newspaper were wrapping up lunch so like middle of the day um folks at the gambles hardware store you know they were just checking out buying nuts and bolts and you know hardware store stuff I don't even know what that means but yeah the people are buying nuts and bolts at around 220 p.m 911 calls started to come in to like the one dispatcher in all of Granby uh like you know it's like the librarian that oh no you know like the dispatcher is a is a librarian volunteering it's like oh I guess I'll do it Monday and yeah and the whole town just rotates out yeah 911 calls came pouring in and something was happening that had never happened in Granby or anywhere else in the country for that matter under Sheriff Glenn Trainer was the first to be notified of a series of strange events taking place near the concrete plant. Deputies Jim Craker and Rich Garner responded immediately I think they were closest so they immediately headed over to the uh um the old muffler shop that was no more and they got there first followed by three more troopers that Dave Petrero Jack DeSante and Mike McGinley upon arrival Craker and Garner saw something out of this world before them at the mountain parks concrete plant was a gigantic bulldozer plowing into the side of the administrative building over and over so it was just crashing into it backing up changing angles a little bit and then it was this full steam ahead and then crashing back into it.

Kara 1:11:53

Right.

Ed 1:11:54

Uh but the issue was is like the bulldozer was yellow but it didn't look like a bulldozer uh it barely resembled a bulldozer it had um the recognizable scoop thingy on the front like you would expect on a bulldozer to have um as well as like tank like treads and stuff like that but the top was completely encased in thick steel plates that were perfectly welded together and they were airtight like a sarcophagus nobody was getting into this thing and nobody was getting out easily so this whole bulldozer was just completely uh at least a cockpit area and all that stuff was just completely encased in sheets of cold steel to complicate matters the bulldozer had an extremely thick lexan portals so lexan is the stuff that they make bulletproof glass out of it's actually a fairly soft plastic but it disperses bullet energy like crazy so there were like little portals built into this monstrosity and those those were like three four inch thick lexan plates so you could fire whatever gun you wanted at those things that wasn't gonna do anything but the thing was is like there was no viewports like there was no windshield and it was a mystery of like how the heck is this whoever's operating this demon dozer uh ooh that would have been a really good name for it the demon dozer yeah that's kind of nice I like that yeah I like I like the sound of that um alliteration yeah words uh so yeah like nobody you could figure out like there was no windshield and yes there was those Lexan portals but they were super tiny it the the portals overlooked a series of turrets that were built into this thing and there was three of them and these Lexan portals were designed to help aim uh one of three guns that he had access to uh the biggest one uh the scariest one was a 50 caliber semi-autic rifle so that's like those giant sniper rifles that you see in movies all over the place then he had a 30 caliber semi-automatic rifle I think it may have been like a Ruger M14 but don't quote me on that and then for that little cherry on top that little added punch of uh power he had a 22 caliber semiotic rifle sticking out of the port so he had a little 22 just a little plinking pew pew little bb gun pew basically yeah so uh they noticed that the guns in these portals could be taken out and relocated inside pretty quickly so needless to say they were really worried about that 50 caliber uh yeah nobody wants to get hit with that for no obvious reasons or the 30 cali for that matter uh not too many people any gun I feel yeah it's not like too many people were lining up to get shot by the 22 like it's just don't want to be shot by any of it but if I had a choice between the 22 or the 50 cali I will take that 22 any day. But it was still crazy it's like how in the world was this guy being able to see and this was a bit of a mystery and we will see how the person operating this thing could steer. Uh Kraker and Garner noticed that Cody Doschev was in his bulldozer so he was in his own earth moving equipment trying to play chicken with the killdozer. Oh boy yeah and it was like a David and Goliath match like you there's videos of it no comparison that komatsu was going to make very short work of whatever was in front of him but in this case David does not end up a hero or even a legend the armored tank like dozer made short work of Dog chefs as though it were a VW bug losing my voice now. The two deputies open fire with an M14 and AR-15 rifles so uh those are basically like those assault style guns that is all over the news but they might as well just been throwing rocks at it keep in mind uh those guns like those assault rifles are shooting a 223 so it's a hair bigger than a 22 so it's not like a 223 is a very big bullet it's just moving really fast. I think uh those bullets are moving like at 4000 feet per second when you think about it in a second and a half that bullet has already traveled well over a mile that's moving the two troopers uh did nothing to stop the dozer from committing a huge amount of damage to the concrete facility uh it was an administrative building thankfully nobody was hurt uh would have been interesting if you somehow got ran over by this bulldozer because I think its top speed was like four miles an hour.

Kara 1:17:41

Sick.

Ed 1:17:41

So it's not like you know it's not like a giant wall of cold molasses in winter right yeah no that's we have established that that is actually faster than you would think uh yeah yeah that that was one of those if they ever asked us like what was the one episode that kind of took us by surprise it's gonna be that molasses flood I had no idea that molasses could do something like that. So nobody was getting hurt just a ton of damage. The bulldozer stopped bulldozing the concrete plant and then turned its attention to the two deputies firing at it from behind concrete barriers um so like these two cops are just plinking away at it and I was thinking of that scene from the first Deadpool movie where Deadpool's writing that Zamboni and there's that guy like crawling away on the ground and you hear Deadpool yelling like to think you're gonna die by a Zamboni in like 10 minutes it's just puttering along so yeah they had plenty of time to run away but the dozer uh just plowed right into the concrete barriers just took him out but those troopers they got out of the way although they did say that they that so there's a little bit of debate out there of his exact intentions of did he actually want to kill people or just make a uh financial statement uh those cops believed that marv was trying to kill them so but we'll never know it was at this time that all the pieces of the puzzle could be pieced together looking at all the damage it was discovered that the bulldozer had originated out of He Meyer's or Marvin's workshop a hundred yards away from the concrete plant and how did he get this thing out of his workshop well you see pictures of it there is a perfect outline of a bulldozer hole in the side of his workshop meaning he just went right through the wall I mean kind of hard to miss that yeah and destruction was this thing's middle name and uh but yeah it was almost cartoonish you see it and it's got like almost a perfect silhouette which is kind of funny it's like a road rider cartoon yeah yeah I know it it's gonna get exciting here so no it's not that it's just that it's 11 o'clock at night I know I know it God we were so pathetic like I remember being able to stay up to like midnight every night and same and get up at six in the morning and you're fine I know yeah no it's just like I don't age it's age is here yeah yeah we're we're getting old um dang it yeah don't get old it's a trap so um all right continuing on here now trainer um he get he shows up and he's trying to figure out what to do here he pieced it together remember trainer was one of the guys that was kind of like just sitting in the police station and uh yeah after he pieced it together it's like oh my god Marvin built an armor plated battle tank dozer and he was on a one man mission to teach the town of Granby a huge lesson uh trainer arrived to support the two troopers that were there and quickly saw the futility of shooting at it like people were firing their nine millimeter glocks at it like that's gonna do something it's like the uh just keep shooting it it'll work yeah something will make its way through and and jack it up it's like the oil spill oh yeah yeah just keep just keep shooting it blowing it up light it on fire bombs lots and lots of bombs that'll fix it uh it's this is kind of a bad deal marvin saw trainer's 2004 expedition and uh proceeded to push it until it tipped over and then ran over the expedition before moving on expeditions are big cars and he was able to just push it to the point where it flipped over and then he just ran over it like holy crap uh not one to give up trainer was able to climb onto the 13 foot tall bulldozer and hitch a ride as it was making its way through a grocery store parking lot so good yeah yeah just it's it's like taking up the curb there's cars in the way there's lights in the way it's just as it's just plowing everything all over the place uh could you imagine being like the uh manager on duty at that grocery store and you just see this giant battle tank go through your parking lot like I I could who do you email like Deer facilities uh FYI there's a 13 foot long battle tank dozer thing in our parking lot destroying cars what do I fill out an incident report on right I would have to figure out how to take a picture to just prove it because it sounds so ridiculous. Yeah it is it's it's it's like pics or it didn't happen. Now what is interesting is that Trainer climbed up to this thing but the whole outside of the bulldozer was covered in lube.

Kara 1:23:43

Okay.

Ed 1:23:44

Marvin covered the entire surface area of the dozer in lube and made it super slippery so if you tried to climb up on it you would just slide off. Got it. So trainer was now riding the Diddy dozer you did not oh no alliteration I guess and I literally just pieced it together like 10 seconds ago I'm like I got it it's the Diddy dozer I guess now we know what the baby oil was for uh yeah yeah the thousand gallons of it um so yeah basically trainer was up there now he's covered in lube and he's trying to figure like he's walking around on this thing trying to figure out a a weakness somewhere on here and that's where he noticed like why are there like security cameras on on this thing he thought that was kind of weird um trainer saw a metal box and he just assumed that was the engine's radiator so he decided to unload his gun into it uh he fired into what he thought was the radiator and the idea was hey you hit the radiator coolant leaks and then it'll stop yeah exactly uh but it didn't do anything and Marv with trainer on top was heading to downtown Granby it turns out the thing that he was shooting at was actually the bulldozers um ACA unit yeah it got pretty it got pretty warm in there yeah yeah all righty now this is where it starts to get wild uh he might because the giant tank bulldozer going to go parking lot's not wild no no it's not wild until it starts hitting stuff and I guess that's fair his next target was town hall okay with the library attached to it remember no not the library full of like little kids it's always the libraries I know I don't understand I I I know man it's just yep all right libraries just can't catch a break um can't now thankfully I don't think this library was like the size of Alexandria's library but you know a library is a library yeah it's filled with people reading books uh why anyway but yeah no he was determined that Ton Hall was gonna be next because well just think about it like that's where a lot of the settings took place for his disputes you know because that's where the board met and he had to go before the board and he kind of took his anger out on City Hall because that's where he felt like he was getting screwed over the most and yeah he just ripped off the whole front of the uh city hall or the town hall everybody was essentially able to walk away from this thing uh but it did cause the read aloud to have to stop unfortunately and I mean I would stop it too yes yeah and it and I guess it's kind of funny they're like okay kids like there is a bulldozer coming this way uh we need to get up and walk out in a single file line and like they're just walking out all nicely and they're still probably walking faster than the bulldozer is moving. Yeah they're just walking away from it. So yeah those poor kids they didn't get to finish their book it's very traumatic. That's unfortunate yep yep trainer tried to fire his gun into the Lexan portals but they just absorbed the bullets uh he saw a forward looking portal he found Figured would be the windshield and proceeded to dump 12 bullets into the bulletproof glass. And again, it did nothing. But he was like, hey, at least you know, he can't see out with no bullets or even a screwdriver to take the tank apart with. He jumped off onto the grass. Uh ultimately, Trainer fired like 37 rounds into the dozer's portals. And an officer threw a flashbang at Trainer where he tried dropping it down the exhaust pipe. So the exhaust pipe is actually not even a pipe, it's like a square tube that sticks out the top of it and it's all reinforced with the uh steel plates. And he tried dropping a flashbang down the exhaust pipe, hoping to cause enough damage to the engine to make it shut down. Uh once E-Mire or Marvin was done with the town hall, his next target was 300 yards down the I-40, uh, where he damaged the uh the garage doors of the mountain parks electric parking lot, uh, and then swung around and destroyed the front of the building which uh was containing the receptionist area.

Kara 1:29:17

Okay, it's not her fault that it couldn't fit in the garage, but yeah.

Ed 1:29:22

Mike just trainer later said that he could he could he could not understand the rhyme or reason for attacking the Mountain Parks electric company, but he remembered that two of the Gramby board members also worked there.

Kara 1:29:40

Ah.

Ed 1:29:41

So we're starting to see a pattern for him here. Uh Marvin was looking to take out the town's board members and potentially uh the people who may have wronged him. After the Mountain Park Electric Company got thoroughly wrecked, Marvin proceeded to plow down Maple Street builders. And using the plow, he essentially scooped up the company's pickup truck and then forced it through the front of the building. So he scooped up their their company car and just rammed that company car through the front of the uh Mountain Park Electric. Not Mountain Park Electric, the uh Maple Street builders. Dang. So now he's getting creative.

Kara 1:30:30

He's doing like Yeah, like he's he's playing pool.

Ed 1:30:34

Yeah, yeah.

Kara 1:30:35

He's billiards.

Ed 1:30:37

Very um capable of like thinking on his feet, I guess you could say. Uh yeah, by now it seemed like the entire state of Colorado had been notified of this. Keep in mind this whole thing only lasted for like two, two and a half hours. This wasn't an all-day thing. Sergeant Norm Rimmer, thinking of uh of uh Red Dwarf, that funny British comedy show. Uh one of the main characters is named Rimmer, and he's a bit of a blowhard. But anyways, Norm Rimmer, who was in charge of the ground um or the Grand County's sheriff's eight-member SWAT team.

Kara 1:31:20

Aww.

Ed 1:31:20

Yep, yep. So my guess is that SWAT team was probably they were there were the SWAT team. They were probably also the fire department, they were probably also like the town's baseball team, and they were probably the ones that do like renovations to the school. Like, I feel like it's one of those situations where it's the same eight people that do everything.

Kara 1:31:49

Gotta get the job done, I guess.

Ed 1:31:51

Uh yeah, yeah. Multitask. Yeah, the um McGran County Sheriff's eight members. SWAT team arrived and began working on a strategy to disable the dozer. So, like, there's videos of this where you can literally see them like in a huddle, like talking. Meanwhile, there's this giant bulldozer going down the road. Like, they had the ability to have like a confab in the middle of all this destruction because they know it's gonna take time for him to get to the next location. Right. Uh, deputy uh Jim Campbell activated the reverse 911 system. I had no idea this is a thing. So I guess the reverse 911 system is where instead of like you and I calling into 911 because we're seeing something crazy happen, instead, 911 calls us to let us know that there's something crazy going on.

Kara 1:32:50

Okay.

Ed 1:32:51

Because now that they got an idea of the pattern, like, okay, took out the concrete company, took out the electric company, took out town hall, um, he took out the uh mountain uh this maple street builders, like he's going after everybody that has a business as well as being on the board. So that's that's the motive here.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:18

Yeah.

Ed 1:33:18

So yeah, they were starting to notify 911 was starting to notify people like, hey, big giant, angry bulldozer coming your way and get out. Now, think if Marvin was bent on taking lives, this this reverse 911 thing did its job and saved everybody's life. No matter what, though, people were getting phone calls about an angry rabid bulldozer coming their way, so they had to like walk away. Meanwhile, deputies, uh, Ryan Phillips, Roy Ibarra, Sean Kuran, uh Steve Gilman, uh Brett Shrotlin, Shrottlin, Dodd Jacobson. Now that's a name, Dodd. It's like a misspelled Todd. Uh, and then another one that's interesting is Bus Worm. Okay. Okay. Uh Terry Marchbanks and Steve Holland, as well as the grand uh county's sheriff's investigator, Leo Paichy. Sure. Um, they arrived and they were not working. So now we've got SWAT team, we've got police officers, we got deputy sheriffs, we've got all of these guys that are now here. Like, there's a lot of people, and you see videos of it. There are a lot of people all firing whatever they have at this thing. He meiner or sorry, Marvin, uh, drove around the back of the town hall and flattened the playground. I I guess the playground wronged him at some point in time.

Kara 1:35:04

Sure.

Ed 1:35:05

That jerk seesaw. I'll teach it a lesson.

unknown 1:35:09

Right.

Ed 1:35:10

Uh he took us some trees because you know, trees. Uh some of these they're they're in the way. Yeah, yeah. And some of these trees were like two, three feet in diameter, and he just ran them over. That sucks. Yeah, it's just like, holy crap, that's all old trees. Yeah, old trees, and just the amount of power uh that this thing has. After the playground, Marvin decided to hit up the town hall parking garage and destroy some cars before heading back to the town hall to inflict more damage. So now he's like, well, parking garage's gotta go. The main entrance was okay, but the rest of the building was heavily damaged, and the roof was starting to cave in the center. So now this thing just wasn't safe, period. And this thing had so much power that it would bulldoze its way into like the middle of a building, and then the whole thing would just collapse on it, but he still had enough power to back out.

Kara 1:36:14

Jeez.

Ed 1:36:16

Bear with me here. I'm trying to keep from losing my voice.

Kara 1:36:19

Um, you're good.

Ed 1:36:20

So yeah, um, did more damage now to a parking garage and did more damage to the town hall. When Marvin finished up the town hall, he drove to the town's stop light, where he drove into the front pillars of the Liberty Savings Bank before backing up and taking out the only stoplight.

Kara 1:36:41

That's a bummer.

Ed 1:36:42

Yeah. Like, don't not the stoplight. But now could you imagine what traffic's gonna be like after that? Oh, it's gonna be terrible. It's like Karmageddon. Yo, it's good to be like Mad Max out there, just pure chaos without that stoplight. Just we need the organization here, pal. As well as the trees, civilization, yeah, and and the pillars to the bank. Yeah, yeah, gotta have those pillars. Where he drove into the front pillars of the Liberty Savings Bank before taking out the stoplight. While he was heading to uh to and damaging the bank, state troopers tried to shoot up the dozer's hydraulics on the underside using shotguns loaded with barricade penetrating rounds as well as double lot buck shot, and nothing worked.

Kara 1:37:34

Man, a his handiwork's actually rather impressive.

Ed 1:37:37

What's that?

Kara 1:37:38

Oh his handiwork's actually impressive. Like, yeah, I I gotta give him that.

Ed 1:37:44

I I'm right there with you.

Kara 1:37:45

It sucks that he's destroying the entire town. That's a bummer.

Ed 1:37:52

Yeah, but man. And and like once they get inside, like once they crack this thing open and they look inside, it's even more impressive what he was able to do. So um, double lot buck is a 30 caliber pellet, and usually like there's 12 to 14 of these pellets in there. Double up buck is absolutely a horrendous round. This is the thing that you would use to stop a bear. It is that powerful, and it was doing nothing, like nothing was working on the bulldozer. Now that Marvin uh was more or less in the center of Granby, he drove into the Sky High newspaper building. The editors, uh Patrick Bauer and Harry Williamson, were inside when they got the notification from the reverse 911 of Marvin's trajectory. They're like, hey, I think they're coming for you guys because remember, there was that reporter that wrote that op-ed about Marvin's issues, like the reality issues, and that guy wrote that article, which then persuaded the entire town instead of supporting Marvin, now they hated him. So that's the reason why the newspaper building is being taken out. And this is kind of sad because there was Marvin destroyed a majority of that printing press or the building, but he kind of got stuck on the printing press. That was the one thing that he couldn't like push over because it was anchored into the ground and it's a printing press. The printing press is the same size as the dozer. So uh the only downside is that it took out that printing press, which also supplied the printed newsprint for like six other magazines and newspapers. Yeah, yeah. And so this was like a very used part of town, and now that was destroyed. Uh, but yeah, both men were able to escape, so they ran out the back door, and of course, they had their cameras and stuff like that, and so they were trying to take pictures of it, and they actually got video of big old bulldozer going down the street. What is interesting is that people were in hiding, but they were more worried about being shot up. But Marvin really didn't shoot anybody, like he could have, but he didn't, which begs the question: was he trying to be homicidal or not? So, yeah, I got stuck in the process of trying to destroy the printing press uh as it was anchored to the ground so well that it stopped Marvin literally in his tracks, and however, damage was done. The six newspapers now or the six publications were gonna be screwed for a while. Marvin then thought it prudent to exact revenge on the Thompson clan and drove across from Excel Energy Building and hit the Thompson and Sons excavating headquarters, which was the family business of former mayor Dick Thompson. And Thompson was good buddies with uh the Doe Chefs, so it made perfect sense. Let's go take out the Thompson business to really drive the point home, so to speak. Marvin ran over Dick's house, so he went to Dick's house, and uh Dick had died a little prior, and his wife was widowed and old and decrepit, and her and her daughter had to run out at the last minute so they didn't get destroyed.

Kara 1:41:51

That's kind of messed up, man.

Ed 1:41:53

Yeah. Uh again, the jury's out is like, did he really try to kill people or or what? Nobody died, but we will never know.

Kara 1:42:05

Yeah.

Ed 1:42:05

And then he headed over to the family business, yeah, destroyed that building. The Grand County's road and bridge director, Clark Brandsteadder, tried to stop Marvin at the Excel property with a country or a county-owned earth mover, but Marvin dozed uh bulldozer made short work of that as well. And this was a big piece of equipment, but nothing compared to that komatsu. Brett Howlcroft, who was an employee at the nearby independent gas company, tried using a 20-pound propane tank and hose to pump propane into the bulldozer's air intake. This is a pretty clever idea. Uh, the idea was that the engine would rev up because it's pulling in air plus propane, and then it's being burned. And yeah, the idea is that it would cause the engine to basically blow up. That didn't work because that would be too easy. Uh in a way, thankfully, this didn't work because if it did blow up, Howcroft would have been taken out in the process. While in the area, the independent gas company, Marvin used a 50 caliber rifle to punch holes in the sides of large propane tanks. So you've seen those giant, like 32-foot-long propane tanks that hold like a billion gallons of propane. He tried taking shots at that to punch holes into it and try to make it explode. Yeah, he did poke holes in the propane tanks, and then right next to it, he tried shooting at like a power transformer to throw sparks. Really came to fruition, thankfully, because that would have been like a small nuclear blast.

Kara 1:43:57

Yeah, that would have been a big explosion.

Ed 1:43:59

Uh yeah, I think the proper term is called a bleve uh or something of that nature. So yeah, it would have been like a mushroom cloud and all sorts of stuff. So thankfully, Marvin missed like every time. Frustrated that he couldn't uh reenact the propane-induced nuclear explosion of Trinity, New Mexico, uh Marvin headed towards the town again. However, it was becoming evident that the dozer was starting to have issues. Giant plumes of black smoke were coming out of the exhaust pipe. That's usually a bad deal. Uh stuff was leaking out of it left and right because you know it's a bulldozer, but it's not designed to be running through buildings left and right. Krembling police officer Scott Spade brought out his 50 caliber BMG with armor-piercing rounds and fired six shots into the dozer. The rounds just bounced off.

Kara 1:44:57

Like, what kind of metal is he using? My goodness.

Ed 1:45:04

He's using just good old-fashioned steel.

Kara 1:45:06

Interesting.

Ed 1:45:07

He made a modification that uh that was really effective, and and we'll get to that here shortly. At this point, authorities were at a loss, they had no idea what to do. The only thing they could figure out was like, okay, National Guard slash Air Force, send a fighter jet over here and drop a bomb on it.

Kara 1:45:29

See, it's the oil spill. We're just we're just gonna keep shooting it and dropping bombs on it. Yes. Until it stops.

Ed 1:45:41

Uh so yeah, uh, they were gonna try to blow it up with a bomb. But here's an interesting problem. The National Guard one didn't respond to the messages for like well after the whole incident ended. But I guess constitutionally, a military vehicle cannot open fire on civilians when there is no war going on.

unknown 1:46:07

Yeah.

Kara 1:46:07

So I mean, that makes sense.

Ed 1:46:10

Yeah, yeah, because you don't want the military to just start bombing civilians left and right. Yeah, that that that's yeah. And then I I have to imagine that, like, when it was getting to this point, we're like, oh, calling the Air Force, uh they I'm I'm sure people were calling into the governor by now. Uh, even though the military couldn't help out, Marvin's escapade was about to come to an end. It was evident now that the bulldozer was struggling to stay running. There was many times where we had to literally turn it off and turn it back on again. And this was all due to one collision after another. Marvin drove past the 7-Eleven and clipped the front of I love this, the copycat uh copying business.

Kara 1:46:59

Small towns and their business names keep it at it. They're great. We love them.

Ed 1:47:06

Yes, and it's spelt K-O-P-Y space K-A-T.

Kara 1:47:12

See, it just adds to the character. This is good.

Ed 1:47:16

Yep. The good good one place, yeah. The one place that actually had a uh paper copier.

Kara 1:47:23

Yeah.

Ed 1:47:24

However, though, his real target was that hardware store where people were buying hardware. Uh Gambles was owned by Casey Farrell, who was a former Granby Town board member that Marvin naturally had a beef with, like all the board members. Right. With hydraulic fluid and coolant leaking everywhere. Marvin drove headfirst into Gambles with everything the dozer had left. And Marvin essentially destroyed most of the store in is in this attack, but forgot one little detail. Gambles was a store that sat over a basement. I'm pretty certain the floors of that hardware store were not reinforced to handle what is it, like 40 tons of weight.

Kara 1:48:19

Yeah.

Ed 1:48:20

So this was almost like one of those false traps, uh, or one of those false floor traps that you see in in like Vietnam, where they just have sticks and leaves, and once you step foot on it, you fall in, and they got those little sticks that are pointing up. That's kind of what this was. And basically the dozer got up there and it just went and it just fell into this 10-foot hole. And at that point, it was done, it couldn't back out, it was too heavily damaged, and that brought the end of the killdozer, which only lasted, even if I factor in like the um the concrete plant and everything, it was only like a two to a two and a half hour long thing. So again, this wasn't like a massively long ordeal.

Kara 1:49:15

I don't think that bulldozer could have lasted that long.

Ed 1:49:19

No. And that was it. Brandstead was quick to arrive with another large earth mover, and he parked it right up behind Marvin. Just in case this thing came back to life, uh, they wanted it to block it off. So, you know, that's a sound move. I I can I can do that. Once the dozer died, every authority in the region just descended on you know, this demon dozer, so to speak. And everybody was coming in, they all wanted a piece of the guy that like ruined their entire Afternoon. Like along with all of the buildings and businesses and parking lots, homes. All the entire town had like, you know, 4,000 people that were really, really pissed right now. And they wanted a piece of this. Uh Norm Rimmer, the you know, the super hardcore tactical SWAT team leader, was um on the dozer as people were trying to crack it open. Because when he when Marvin got in, he actually lowered the lid down using like a chain crane and basically sealed himself hit himself inside. During all this, like when they were getting ready to to work on it, they heard one gunshot, and everybody stopped and they're like, okay, you know, he he took his own life. I'm not too sure, like, this is one of these situations. I'm not too sure what the end game was. Like, when do you actually stop when there's like nothing left of the town? Or destroy like 10 buildings and then just be like, okay, I surrender. We don't know. We don't know what his actual end game was. So, yes, uh, they just assumed, but they also were kind of worried for the aftermath. Uh, you know, given the amount of work that he put into creating an armor fying or arming uh this bulldozer, uh, the jury was still out on what was potentially inside. They're like, okay, if Marvin put this much work into making it an unimpregnable rolling fortress, then is there going to be a booby trap inside? Like, as soon as somebody takes the lid off of it, is there gonna be like 50 pounds of C4 in there that will go off? That's a valid concern.

Kara 1:51:56

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense as to why you would worry about that.

Ed 1:52:01

The scene quickly resembled uh what it would look like if a U of O crash landed in the middle of Granby. Every authority in the state seemed to arrive on top of the local authorities. So we have the Grand County Sheriff's Deputies, the Colorado State Patrol Troopers, the SWAT team from Jeff or SWAT teams from Jefferson, Larimer, and Denver's Federal Heights. Uh, Summit County Sheriff and several deputies, law enforcement officers from the Rocky Mount National, uh, yeah, Rocky Mount National Park and the U.S. Forest Service. So you get the park rangers are here. Yep, yep, yep. You got Ranger Rick out there getting ready to do something, and a Colorado Division of Wildlife. So game and fish officers are out there.

Kara 1:52:50

I mean, hey, you gotta bring everybody in.

Ed 1:52:53

Um agents from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, that's like Colorado's state form of the FBI. Agents from the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. So ATF was there.

Kara 1:53:09

I mean, that one could have makes sense.

Ed 1:53:11

Yes, yep, because there's firearms involved.

Kara 1:53:15

Yeah, lots of them.

Ed 1:53:17

Uh, yeah, yeah, and one big tank that wasn't used for its intended purpose. Right. Um, Grand County EMSs, uh, firemen from Granby Fire Department and East Grand Fire Department. And oh, let's not forget Colorado Governor Bill Owens and Granby Mayor Ted Wang. Nice. Yes, solid, solid group of people here.

Kara 1:53:43

Big team of peeps holding it down. Yes, yeah, because you know, Ted Wang is gonna really he's he's the guy who's gotta make some decisions.

Ed 1:53:54

Let's just say he's really gonna wing it.

Kara 1:53:57

Oh, oh no. That was the dad joke of the night, right there.

Ed 1:54:04

Uh yeah, yeah, that was that was pretty bad. I'm sorry.

Kara 1:54:08

Um we do like dad jokes, so I love dad jokes, so I'm okay with that.

Ed 1:54:12

Okay, cool. Well, I'll roll with it. So at 10 42 p.m., everyone was pulled back another block as a bomb squad uh attached an explosive to the tracks of the dozer. The idea was we're gonna blow the tracks off this thing again, just in case it you know Marvin is alive in there and he decides to bring this thing back to life after it had cooled down, and and just in case he was playing possum. Eventually at around one a.m. firemen started to cut their way in using all sorts of torches and other mechanisms, and by 2 a.m. they were able to get in and see the body of a very much dead Marvin Neemeyer with a bullet wound to his head via a 357 Magnum pistol that he was carrying with him the entire time. A 357 is a very, very unique gun in that it has so much power that it has like a 100% stopping capability. Meaning, if you get shot with a 9mm, you could probably still keep going, like pursuing somebody. But if you're hit with a 357 anywhere in the body, you're done. You're not you're not moving much anymore. And if you get hit in the head, you know, it it's it's not gonna be it's gonna be ugly. So now that they got in, some mysterious mysteries. Yeah, mysterious mysteries were they got answers. How did he steer? Well, instead of just looking out the Lexan windows or those little portals, he actually put CCTV video cameras uh around the perimeter of the bulldozer, and he was able to position those cameras so that they could see on a television what was going on around him, which that's pretty clever. Like, I'm I I'm I'm handing it to the guy. Probably the craziest uh addition or modification that he made is what you're wondering. Like, how in the world did this guy like make it so that um this tank was bulletproof to the extent that it was? Well, the tank addition was a double hole, so he had the normal body of the bulldozer, and then he basically welded on a layer of like one inch thick steel plates, and then he put a second shell around it about six inches away, and that left a hollow cavity where he then filled it full of cement. So you had I got a burp just right around the corner trying to prevent throwing up all over in your ear. Um, you had the outer hull, then you had six inches of concrete, and the outer hole was made out of one inch thick steel, then you had the uh your concrete, six inches of concrete, and then you had another inch layer of more steel, and then you had the dozer's exterior. Jeez. So he had basically eight to nine inches thick of some serious uh armor plating on this thing, and that's the reason why bullets were bouncing off.

Kara 1:57:39

Yeah, yeah.

Ed 1:57:40

Sorry. Um, so yeah, concrete doesn't really like it's not a very hard substance, but it does like when you hit it, it transfers energy over a large surface area, which makes it bulletproof. Hemar was set up to carry out his rampage for a very, very long time. His 90-minute terror streak seemed like an eternity to those that were present, but in the grand scheme of things, if that engine didn't die on him, the rampage could have lasted a lot longer. They discovered oh yeah, they found that he had like days and days of food in there, so he fortified it and then he had a whole bunch of food inside the cockpit of this thing, even a bathroom. So yeah, he he again, this is like you see where I'm coming from. Like, how is this a dumpster fire? Because he thought it out and he kind of accomplished what he was hoping to do. But then again, now if you look at it from the perspective of Granby, this is a dumpster fire of all dumpster fires. It is a mess, huge mess. So they got to the workshop and they found more interesting stuff there. Marvin was apparently living and breathing this project for about 90. What was it? It was 180. Yeah, we'll go with that. His infatuation with the project was confirmed when they found the tapes. So they had all those audio recordings that he made. Okay. And you can listen to them. They're not like creepy or anything, they're just like, well, I reckon I'm gonna go put these plates on, and you know, people are gonna ask me why did I do this? And it's because I'm doing God's will, and you know, it wasn't like a heaven's gate type of recording, which is really, really creepy. Uh, it's just him just talking into it, into the microphone, and just explaining why he's doing what he's doing. So, yeah, so yeah, he got to the point where so they could listen to the early recordings all the way up to the present. So he got to the point where he felt that he was doing God's will and that what he was planning to do was consider justice and fair under the belief structure of God. Some requestion, some requestions, some questions remain now. Um, why couldn't Marvin work through these emotional issues? Really, bro? You couldn't talk to somebody, you couldn't see a therapist.

Kara 2:00:16

Like you couldn't figure this out. Yeah, like we don't know why. It is 2004, and mental health was not something that people accepted.

Ed 2:00:32

Yep. Uh it was coming around.

Kara 2:00:35

It was coming around, yeah.

Ed 2:00:37

Definitely better in 2000 than it was in, say, like the 50s and 60s, but you're right.

Kara 2:00:42

100%. It's just not what it is, what it is now, exactly.

Ed 2:00:48

Yes. Why couldn't he work through it? What degree is this mental breakdown was attributed to the mental disorder and the machinations of the town? So this kind of goes back to the nature versus nurture thing. How much of this was like biologically programmed into Marvin's brain? And how much of this was the nature part of it where you've got the town whether advertently or inadvertently conspiring against him, right? Or they're just trying to make his life difficult and they succeeded. Was and then the probably the biggest one was Marvin really set out to kill people? Uh that was what was on everybody's mind. No one got hurt during the whole situation, and he had access to multiple guns. So he could have shot a lot of people, but he chose not to. If he was truly gonna kill people, I feel like he would have done it. Like straight up, like gunmen at uh the Austin, Texas College from I think the 70s, where he got up to that bell tower and started shooting everybody. Um, I feel like he, if it was gonna truly kill somebody, he would have done it.

Kara 2:02:05

Yeah.

Ed 2:02:06

So however, he was in a bulldozer and he was aiming for people, they got away. Who knows what his intentions were there? Uh, in the end, there are so many questions that we'll never get the answers to. But the lesson we can take away from this ordeal is to never live your life thinking that everyone is out to get you, and also don't live your life in such a way that it makes people forget not only everyone is out there to get you. So don't live your life that makes people forget not everyone is out there to get you. If that logic tracks, like don't think people are out to get you, and don't live your life in such a way that makes people think that, like, okay, everybody's out to get them.

Kara 2:02:56

Oh, got it, got it.

Ed 2:02:57

Yep. And then ultimately, uh, what was happening to the bulldozer? Well, it was removed. I don't know how they moved that thing. Like, how did they get it out of the basement? If I was the owner of that property, be like, nope, keep the bulldozer there. I want to build like a museum around it. Like an oddity museum. Here's my tank dozer.

Kara 2:03:18

There you go.

Ed 2:03:18

It's like, you know, it's like the lar world's largest ball of yarn, world's largest frying pan, and the little dozer that could. So it was removed, torn down to bits and pieces, and melted for scrap. The incident had on the Americans at that time uh was interesting. Many Americans viewed Marvin as like a bit of a legend. Like he kind of uh he came kind of like the poster child of the Republicans, like a guy that's not afraid to stick it to the man. Uh, he was kind of an underdog character, right? One little guy against this massive machination of a government agency bent on control and destruction of people's free will. And and it seems as though that Marvin um could make a comeback in this day and age. Like if there was another one that took place, I feel like he would be well received by a great deal of people out there that are kind of conspiratorial. So who knows what the next He-Mire or Marvin will do, uh, or what that act will look like, or what will be his MO. But that's you know, that's gonna be a story for another day when that actually happens and we can add it to the podcast. So uh I got a bunch of pictures here. We will get these loaded up onto the website. I'll go quickly go over because I think Kara, you are like taping your eyes open.

Kara 2:04:54

Be sure to I'm doing my best.

Ed 2:04:57

Be sure to check us out on Instagram. Uh be sure to head to our head to our website, uh, the day is dumpsterfire.com. Uh, we are doing some updating on it, but yeah, go check it out. There you'll see a lot of Kara's work. We have some further descriptions and more background information on our dumpster fires. Uh, you can also shoot us an email at the dumpsterfire at gmail.com. Be sure to take some time, do a little homework, find people who listen to podcasts and get them onto the show. And if you're not sure if you listen to podcasts, then teach them. Especially the best people to talk to about like podcasting are people with long commutes. My uh my brother's brother-in-law is in town. You know, he's flying all over the country, uh, gone to like seminars and training courses and whatnot, and he's always listening to podcasts. He's the perfect candidate, and he's real big into history and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, don't be afraid to look at your loved ones and be like, you know what? You could probably benefit from this podcast. You could really take a lot out of this, especially if you've got people with self-esteem issues. If they're worried that they're gonna make one little mistake and then everything's gonna fall apart, uh-uh. We have a podcast that really goes into great detail of people that had it way, way worse, right? It's not every day that somebody sinks like half the British Navy in one day. Like that is a career-ending dumpster fire. So go out there, find people that like to listen to podcasts or could benefit from it, and um, yeah, send them our way. So that's all I got, Kara. Do you have anything you wanted to add to my spiel?

Kara 2:07:00

I don't think so. I think that's all the housekeeping we have. Granted, I'm really tired. So it is.

Ed 2:07:06

It's like almost midnight right now, which is like eight hours past our bedtime. It's that's facts. We're doing great over here. But so yeah, I'm all good. Yep. Hope you guys enjoyed it. And until next time, I say keep it a hot mess. Thanks for listening.