Ed 0:00

Hey everybody, this is Ed.

Kara 0:01

This is Karen.

Ed 0:02

This is your days to Mr. Flair.

Kara 0:26

Better than the first time.

Ed 0:28

Yeah, that was uh that was take two, and I felt kind of bad because I was like celebrating that the first time I got it like perfect, and then I forgot. We got like five minutes in, I forgot to hit record.

Kara 0:38

It's like leaving yourself on mute on Zoom. It's fine, everybody does it. Yeah.

Ed 0:43

So uh yeah, today we've got a bit of a uh a special episode. Um, you probably noticed that there were people clapping in the background. No, that is not a recording, and no, nobody forgot their medications. You are actually listening to a live recording. And the reason why there's people in the room with us is because, well, we're not we're talking about Titanic. And Kara and I have been bouncing around like, how do we how do we cover the Titanic, which has probably been the most podcasted recorded disaster ever? And there's like thousands of podcasts out there just dedicated to Titanic. So, what could we do differently? So, what we decided to do is we are gonna be podcasting with our students. So uh we've got Deja's students in here, we've got our middle schoolers in here, and Kara and I are gonna do this uh uh like a basic rundown of the event, and then we're gonna have some students come up because they have some theories on their own as to like how or what may have happened, ranging from a conspiracy theory involving JP Morgan to maybe I don't know, aliens or or whatever. So, yeah, that's kind of what we got lined up. I'm I'm surprised, Kara. Normally, when you start these things, at least the research part of it, like like, okay, we're talking about Vietnam. Let's go back to the Big Bang.

Kara 2:26

Generally, yes, you're right. I could have gone back even further, but I decided to keep it short to make sure we have time for it for the kids.

Ed 2:34

Fair enough.

Kara 2:36

So by 1900, Germany, Britain, and the United States were industrial superpowers. Britain and the US had healthy working relationships that resulted in trade and innovation between the two countries. In Britain, especially amongst the wealthy, it was believed that progress was proven through innovation, machinery, structures, and buildings. And that belief soon spread to America as well. In the mid to late 1800s, exhibitions to show off these major feats of innovation began to occur all around the world. So, for example, in London in 1850, they held a giant exhibition and they revealed the glass palace. I think it's still there. It looks like a giant greenhouse in the middle of London. It's kind of cool. They based it off of a painting from a gardener, and they were like, okay, we're all top that. And then the Chicago World's Fair happened.

Ed 3:24

And you know for a fact that they they had to remove like all of the rocks from around that building.

Kara 3:30

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They had to remove everything.

Ed 3:32

Because anybody anybody with a rock and a glass palace is going to be pretty interesting.

Kara 3:37

I didn't get the joke till just now. So during the late 1800s and early 1900s, the wealthy wanted to show off their wealth. And they did so in fashion, what they ate, where they lived. So we're starting to see this trend where the more money you have, the more things you buy, consumers, and we've been like, I'm over this. That means that they're wearing more fancy clothing, they're walking down the street. You're gonna see that more often, and you can identify who has how much money by what they're wearing and how they're acting. All over the world, America began to gain a reputation as a place in which people could build a better life for themselves and live in riches if they worked hard enough and all of this stuff. So America had that reputation of you can come here and it's going to be great and you're gonna be awesome. In reality, people needed to work really, really, really hard for that kind of lifestyle. And often it didn't happen very frequently. But what this did cause is a lot of immigration to the United States in the late 1800s, early 1900s. Most of these immigrants who came to the States lived in poor conditions or they were able to work themselves up to the middle class. And they didn't realize it was going to be that hard until probably they got to Ellis Island, where a lot of these people who weren't part of the wealthy class would get screened, they'd get interviewed. So they would have a health checkup, make sure they're healthy. Usually, I think about the stat was 90% of immigrants would be accepted into the states. But still, it was a lot more uh difficult than I thought it was going to be. Between 1900 and 1915, 15 immigrants, 15 million, not just 15, sorry. 15 million immigrants. Just 15 immigrants. Just 15, isn't it? 15 million immigrants arrived in America searching for the American dream that was advertised to them. Because of the demand of immigration between Europe and America, steamboats or ships that ferried people became commonplace and it was big business for both sides, both Europe and America made a lot of money shipping people from Europe to the states and then back and forth. Crossing the Atlantic Ocean is the easiest thing ever. And some even argued that it was easier to travel over land. This this can be argued.

Ed 5:52

No mountains in the way. There's no like valleys. Yeah.

Kara 5:56

And but the point can be argued because you had the transcontinental railroad in the States, but you didn't have that in Europe. So I could see both sides.

SPEAKER_04 6:03

Yeah.

Kara 6:03

In 1901, numerous ocean liner companies, including the White Star, has been have been struggling financially to keep up with the Germans. So it wasn't just White Star that was struggling financially. It was all of them. They were all competing with each other, which was difficult enough, but they were also competing with Germany. And I will say, during this time period, Germany had just become a major superpower. Everybody was worried about them politically, militarily, industrially. And it causes a whole other can of warrant of issues, including the Great War.

Ed 6:38

Okay. So what was the Titanic and like how was it made? And I guess we could start with the good old-fashioned numbers, the the stats. So the Titanic was a passenger super liner, uh, which is funny because this thing is tiny compared to the cruise liners that we have today, but it was 882 feet long and 92 feet wide. So you could fit about two, maybe three houses uh on the width of this deck, and then you could fit a whole bunch more on the length. I'm not going to do the math. Uh, it stood 104 feet high uh when it was in dry dock. When it was in the ocean, it's obviously gonna be lower, but from the ballast to the to the very top of the stacks, it was 104 feet. It displaced about 52,000 tons of water, meaning uh anything that is buoyant, anything that floats, it does so because it displaces more water in weight than it weighs itself. So if you took the Titanic and you somehow put 52,000 tons of stuff in there, it it would be perfectly like it would be right at the water line. So it had uh it's very distinctive for uh four smokestacks, which was funny because only three are operational, only one, the the one like I think it was a very forward one. It was kind of funny because they wanted it to be bigger than what the their British counterparts or their British uh competitor uh Cunard they wanted it to be bigger and more impressive than like the Mauritania. So they had the three smokestacks and then they just put a dummy one in there just to make it look bigger. And we're gonna see that there is a lot of uh a lot of things that they did that serve like little to no like purpose, but or was detrimental, uh as we will see in some of the safety features, in the name of making this thing look impressive.

Kara 9:05

So remember the attitude that people had during this time. It was progress and innovation makes us awesome. The bigger, the better, the bigger we can make it, the better it will be. So that was the attitude that these people had, no matter what the costs were.

Ed 9:20

Yeah. Uh see here, where did I leave off of? Oh, yeah. Um, it was equipped with three engines, uh, two reciprocating four-cylinder triple expansion steam engines, and one centrally placed low pressure Parsons turbine. Yes, I agree. There's um you asked about the temperature. Uh, I have very little knowledge to what any of it was, but all I know is that they were big. Each engine was about the size of a house and it weighed a whopping 720 tons. So that is your average car is like two tons. So big giant uh chunks of steel. With the three engines running at full power, it produced over 30,000 horsepower on the main turbine and then uh 16,000 horsepower for uh they had a um a giant like flywheel in there that would be spinning really, really fast, and that too could generate another 16,000 horsepower if needed. So this thing had a grand total, if needed, 46,000 horsepower. Uh, your average family car is like two to three hundred horsepower, just to kind of give you um some aspect of size here. By today's standards, um oh yeah, I'm sorry, yeah. The ship had a capacity of 6,600 or yeah, 6,600 tons of coal and a reserve of an extra 1,000 tons of coal needed. So this was a big boy, and this thing was chewing through a lot of coal. I did some quick and dirty math uh recently. By today's standards, if you were gonna fill this thing up, in fact, coal was kind of a problem, as Kara will probably get into, it would cost $1.25 million to fill this thing up with coal, and it cost about $152,000 a day just to run the engines. So that's like a house, like the price of a a low-end house a day just to run. So you will quickly see why some of these tickets got pretty expensive. Um, there was a total of nine decks, eight were accessible to the passengers. One fun fact though, that's interesting about the uh these levels, because I mean everybody knows, like, hey, there was a first class, uh, second class, third class. Um you'd be thinking like, okay, first class rich, second class, kind of like middle of the road, third class steerage, right? The poor people, immigrants, and whatnot. Everybody had access to all the decks. It was it's it's kind of thought that, oh, uh, like the third, the third class people couldn't go to the top deck and hang out with the first class people. No, actually, they could. There was very few places that the uh second and third class didn't have access to, like some of the fancy gyms and and stuff like that. But for the most part, they could go anywhere. And obviously, the ninth deck was the engine deck. The whole of the ship was made from thousands of one-inch thick mild steel plates. Look at one of my students here, it's not galvanized, and uh it was held on, they they were riveted on with wrought iron rivets. So, mild steel, in case if you're wondering, is a very low-carbon steel. To make a steel stronger, you add more carbon. When you add more carbon, it wants to rust more. So obviously, if you're making a boat that's good to be in the ocean, you really don't want the thing to just rust out on you. So they used uh mild low-carbon steel, and then the rivets were made out of wrought iron, which was kind of uh that was kind of sketchy in its own right because they use a mixture of hardened steel rivets along with wrought iron, and the reason being it was cost efficient, but wrought iron rivets like to shear, meaning they like to break if they're maybe let's say hit something, and we all know that Titanic hit something, so there's something to kind of put in the back of your your head. The ship was designed with the latest and greatest of technological safety features. Uh, this is pretty funny because it was marketed as the safest ship in the world. You've all probably heard it. Oh, this thing is unsinkable. Uh in a way, yes, but nature finds a way. So the hole, and this is like the big safety feature. The hole or the inside of the ship was divided into 16 compartments from front to back, and there were these special doors on each level that if there was any water leaking in into that compartment, the doors would slam shut and be watertight. Bad deal if you're one of the people in that compartment that's filling up with water because you're kind of stuck in there, but that's better than the entire ship sinking, which is funny or ironic because it sank. The cool feature that they put in, because having uh compartmentalized hull wasn't that revolutionary, but what was revolutionary is that they could control all those doors from the bridge, so they could literally go and flip a switch on to say, you know, deck 14, not 14, deck six, um, compartment five, and they could they could flip a switch and then it would automatically drop everything down. So before you would have to have some guy like on the floor by that door, like turning a crank and closing it. Here they could shut everything off all at once. So that that was actually kind of cool. Um, the ship was designed so that up to four compartments could be compromised and that the ship could stay afloat. I'm pretty sure some of my uh uh engineering savvy students probably discovered a huge flaw that those compartment dividers didn't go all the way to the deck because rich people didn't want this giant steel wall midway through their deck, and so they only had the dividers go up so high, which is kind of stupid because then water can just go over it, but hey, I'm not the engineer. Uh on top of the compartments, there were only a total of 20 lifeboats. This was actually something that Karen I, like you and I, we were kind of like, how many boats were there? It seemed like there's a wide range of numbers out there.

Kara 17:01

There are, but from what I was able to find, the general consensus is there were 16 wooden lifeboats and four canvas collapsible boats.

Ed 17:11

Yeah, and that so the uh it was kind of funny because the Merchant Ship Act of what is it, 1894, states that any ship weighing over 10,000 tons, so Titanic weighed over 10,000 tons, had to have a minimum of 16 lifeboats. I don't understand why they couldn't base it off of occupancy. Like, why does it have to be based off of weight? Uh so they had Titanic technically had to have a minimum of 16 lifeboats, and then they had these two canvas or four-canvas-y, like IKEA build-it-yourself uh lifeboats that I could not see how that would be going well when your ship is at a 45-degree angle sticking out of the ocean and sinking like a rock while you're trying to build.

Kara 18:10

We have to meet the minimum requirements past the board.

Ed 18:15

And what's really sad is to do it right, to like genuinely do it right, they would have needed at least 40 lifeboats. Because the total of 20 that they had could only cover or handle about half of the people on the ship.

Kara 18:36

Yeah, so if I remember the number right, the amount of space that they had on the lifeboats was between 1100 and 1150. The amount of people who were on the boat, just over 2200 people.

Ed 18:46

So yeah, that's kind of uh that's kind of disappointing. Like they were basically they were saying it's perfectly okay if half the people die on this boat.

Kara 18:58

They didn't care.

Ed 19:00

Well, and and so the engineers when they did it.

Kara 19:02

The engineers cared, you're right, they cared.

Ed 19:04

Yeah, like like Mr. Andrews, the guy who designed Titanic as well as the Olympic, as well as the Britannic, because they're all sister ships. Uh so yeah, it was a uh it was kind of a marketing thing that they didn't want the rich people to have to see ugly lifeboats, so they purposely put the bare minimum in there, which I don't know. To me, that's just mind-blowing that they were okay with that. But they were also probably like, okay, we're confident that this thing is unsinkable. And I'm not sure if that was really a feature, a safety feature, and it seemed like everything was geared towards the marketing uh side of things, but hey, they were thinking the ship is so big, how could it possibly sink? So the ship also had a powerful radio telegraph transmitter. So this thing could do a special thing where it could use radio waves to actually transmit a message, kind of like a uh text message. And I think you're gonna get into it a little bit. Like one of the issues was that the the crew they had two guys that were running little telegraph machines, and they were yeah, like anybody who had the money, the three dollars, to buy a the ability to send a text message, in other words, was using it. And so these two guys were just running nonstop, which will run into some problems when your boat is trying to sink and people are trying to communicate with you, like boats that can save your life and they can't do anything.

Kara 20:46

A lot of these messages were just messages to to family, really trivial, like, hey, my day's going great. I hope you're doing well. Telly little Johnny I said hi.

Ed 20:55

Living my best life.

Kara 20:56

And when you have almost 2,000 passengers on that boat all trying to send messages, you're gonna have a backlog of all kinds of stuff. So if you can imagine just two guys trying to send messages for almost 2,000 people, that's a lot.

Ed 21:13

And and we're talking about Morse code here where it's dots and dashes. You it takes a long time to send, you know, somebody to send you a uh one sentence long uh I don't know, telegraph. It it can take up to like five to ten minutes to transmit that. And then of course you get the person like me who would send out like this 10-page essay, like get to work, guys. It that would just ruin it for everybody. So the ship had uh oh, and I forgot to mention too, it was fitted with rocket launchers, too, which was kind of cool because why not? If you've got the biggest ship in the ocean, the most luxurious, you might as well set it up so that you can launch a bunch of rockets. But those rockets couldn't come in handy. For like notifying any boat in the area that hay were sinking, assuming that everybody in the ocean is aware that your rockets are for distress and not for partying, is that's you know a discussion for later. The ship had a ton of amenities, and most of which were accessible by all three classes. It had a Turkish bath. What's the difference between a Turkish bath and a French bath? I don't know, but it's Turkish. Sounds expensive. Uh, the grand staircase, yes, the one from the uh Titanic movie, they actually got that pretty accurate. That thing was massive, and I think it was like 20 feet wide and like 24 feet tall. It was all made out of like mahogany and hand fitted and all that kind of stuff. It had reading and writing rooms, sounds like a library, a dining saloon. So a saloon is where you go to get alcohol, but you could also get food there, too. Uh, it had a squash court because apparently people played squash back then. It had a full-on library, a gymnasium, and most importantly, a smoking room. Yes, everybody smoked back then. It it was very common. In fact, my grandfather he started smoking when he was 12. People are like, what? Why would that be because it was like 1928, very different time back then. So accommodations. So we mentioned before, there's three classes of people that would be on this boat. The first class, you would get like this large apartment, it would be a multi-room state room decorated to the art of various time periods in European history. So they had special rooms that were like named, like you've got the Georgian room, you've got the Louis XVI room, you've got uh the Queen Anne themed room, and they would have paintings in there, it had a wallpaper, it had like custom-made furniture, uh, had like a goose-down bed and pillow arrangement. Like this thing was probably better than your house. Like, it was absolutely insane. Each one of these state rooms had its own promenade, meaning like its own deck that you can go hang out outside and not have to be bothered with pesky second and third class people. And they actually contracted artists, like legit artists of the day, to come in and be like, hey, we're building a boat. Can you do some custom paint jobs for us? Second class, uh, you would get a one-room cabin, okay, and it would have like one to two bunks. So they would hold up to four people, so like a family of four, and you would get like a small desk andor like a little armoire type of thing in a closet, and you would get like a little basin for water, and you would get some room for storage for luggage. So if you were bringing a lot of stuff, it would go into the cargo hold. If you weren't bringing a lot of stuff, you would just put your like your suitcase underneath and you're off to the races. One thing about the bathrooms I want to mention. Uh most I thought all of the first class rooms had their own individual bathrooms. That wasn't the case. There was only a few rooms that actually had walk-in bathrooms in there. Most of the first class, second class, and third class people all had to share a bathroom. So like you would have to go out, down the hallway, and hit the bathroom. Uh, if you're in a second class, you would get like a bathroom stall. And if you're a third class, they had like a trough that you would use. So you would be in there with like, you know, reading your newspaper, and Bob is like sitting right next to you, and you're like, What's up, Bob? And hey, George. Yeah, and you're having a pleasant conversation while you're having your morning constitutional. Wasn't like today where everybody's all freaked out about it. No, back then it's like everybody poops together. If you poop together, your friends, that's how you can tell who your friends really are. So if you can poop in the same room and not make it awkward, you get yourself a good friend. One of our students is just absolutely appalled, like the conditions, those heathens, those disgraceful, disgusting people. Right? Yeah, like these some of the richest people in the world were like all pooping together. Um then third class was basically like it was kind of like second class. You had a room, actually, it would be a bigger room, but there would be like multiple rows of bunk beds. So you would be you would be sleeping with like 12 other people, and they would have maybe a shelf on the bottom cot or the the uh bunk bed where everybody on that row could put their you know their supplies. But if you think about it, it it only takes a few days to cross the ocean. So if you had to go from Europe to America as an immigrant, uh these conditions were actually very suitable. It's not like you're spending months on there like you would have on an old sailing ship. So even third class had dining halls, and because that's the other thing, too. You weren't spending all your time in the bunk, you were in the dining hall. Uh, all three classes had like their own restaurants, they had their own amenities, they like it, it it really wasn't that bad of a deal. And don't forget, most people would want to go to the top deck, and because hey, you're on a the fanciest cruise liner in the world, you would be spending most of your time up top, anyways. So, yeah, the dining halls were accessible to all three classes. The first class did have a special room that the other two classes couldn't go into, and it was like a five-star restaurant, and they had a chef in there that would custom like whatever you wanted, the chef would make for you. Uh, so this is a lavish dining hall, gourmet chefs, drinking and smoking rooms, and the third and or second and third classes were surprisingly like respectable. They would be like uh walking into like a sit-down restaurant today. That it really wasn't all that bad. So it's not like third class was just sitting there eating slop. They actually had real food. Yeah, this is this is where um it gets a little it gets a little shady. So in the early 1900s, the industrial revolution was exploding and competition was intense between Britain's White Star Line and another British company called Cunard. Uh, you know Cunard today because they still are in business. You will notice that the uh um the White Star Line isn't around today. So the uh these two companies were in you know heated competition. Uh Cunard had the Mauritania. The Mauritania was a ship kind of like Titanic, however, it had the blue stripe. The blue stripe meant that it held the record from going from like England to New York at the fastest time. Idea then was like, okay, we need to figure out a way to go up against Canard. Uh, when we look at White Star, uh, there are the three big ships that they were producing at this time was the Olympic, Titanic, and Britannic. And then some of the famous Canard ships you probably have heard of. Uh, one of them is a relatively unknown ship, didn't really serve much purpose in history, didn't really do much for America. It was the Lusitania. It may have gotten sunk by a German U-boat and got America into World War I. But other than that, it's not that that big of a deal. Um, only the worst war of humanity up to that point. Um, the other one is the Queen Mary. Uh, I think the Queen Mary you can see.

Kara 30:46

You can see it's a museum now in Long Beach. You can go and visit it. It's supposed to be super haunted. It's pretty cool.

Ed 30:52

Yep. I won't go there.

Kara 30:54

I will.

Ed 30:55

I won't. I don't, I don't, I don't handle ghosts.

Kara 30:58

Like, yeah, it's fine. Anyway.

Ed 31:00

UFOs I can do, but not ghosts. Um, and then you we've got the Mauritania, which I just talked about. Fiscally, the Canard Company was poised to cut deep into the Atlantic crossing lanes with the previously mentioned ships. So they were kind of like leading the way here. J. Bruce Istme, the man in charge of White Star, was not doing the best right now financially. And he had to do something. If he did not put something together really, really fast, we were gonna run into issues like financially. So he approached uh a what was it? His name was um uh Peary. William Peary. He controlled the Belfast uh shipyards in Ireland and proposed that, hey, let's build uh three ships, and uh that's exactly what they did. And they figured, hey, we're not gonna beat the speed record, but we can do is make the most luxuriously designed ships in in the world, and that uh the biggest and the most opulent. So the two men um ultimately worked out a plan to design and build the three ships, the Olympic, Titanic, and Britannic. And on March 31st, 1909, so about two years prior to the disaster, uh uh three months after the keel was laid for the Titanic, the Olympic and the Titanic were built side by side and constructed in such a way that luxury opulence and overall comfort was prioritized. Thomas Andrews of the Harland and Wolf Company, so that was the company that was contracted to build it. Um, Thomas Andrews was the designer. Uh, he was recruited to design the ship as well as the Olympic and Britannic. So they're kind of identical. Like if you look at all three of these ships, like the pictures of them, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between them. The shipyard that built these ships typically held around 14,000 workers. That's a lot of people. And Harland and Wolf also brought in like an additional 1,000 men to work on these ships, and both the Olympic and the Titanic had 3,000 men each working on them. The gantry that spanned over the Titanic was 228 feet tall, and it was the largest gantry in the world at that time. Over three million rivets were used to assemble the ship. And it's important to note, and I mentioned it earlier, that the ships, most ships out there used hard steel rivets, but the Titanic used a mixture between steel and iron, and um the iron ones were really a lot weaker, and the most of the weaker rivets were put in the front of the ship because who would ever think that the front of the ship would ever hit anything? The total cost, this is wild. The total cost to build a Titanic was $7.5 million back then. That would be $166 million by today's standards. It's funny, I don't know if any of you have seen the 1997 James Cameron movie Titanic, but the movie actually cost $200 million to produce. The movie was more expensive than the actual boat that it was representing, which I thought was kind of funny. Uh yeah, go big or go home. Uh if we factor in all three ships, including labor and all that stuff, uh Ismay and White Star Line had to take out a loan for $600 million. They went to JP Morgan at that time. He was the wealthiest banker in the world, and they asked him for $600 million, and JP Morgan paid out of his own pocket. Yeah, he just wired the money over. Uh normally, like you you would you would make a like you would actually Morgan, well, like a bank would take out a loan to cover the loan, to cover a loan, to cover a loan to like build the ship. But Morgan had that kind of cash on hand and he was able to just pay out of his pocket. Morgan was also the same guy that like balanced the US budget in the 1890s because that was his civic duty. Uh JP Morgan's a fascinating guy. Uh after a few months in like what was it, like uh 1911. Uh after a few months um after the ships were built, so it took about two years to build. They took the ship out to sea, and it was like an empty vessel. They had rooms, it was just a steel ship, and that was it. And they took it out to get fitted. So imagine working on the ship as an artisan, like building up the rooms and putting the amenities and all that kind of stuff. Um and on April 8th, 1912, the Titanic was dispatched for its maiden voyage out of Southampton, England to pick up its first passengers.

Kara 36:26

All right, I'm gonna go through this really fast so we can get to you guys. The Titanic was scheduled to launch on Wednesday, April 10th, 1912, before takeoff. There were some logistical issues that we had to work out. In 1912, there was a coal strike in Britain, and this made coal extremely difficult to come by. So the Titan the Titanic required 800 inch whatever it was per minute or whatever, and they needed lots of coal. So what Whitestar did is they canceled a whole bunch of their trips and they canceled all kinds of stuff from other ships, and they got the coal from the other ships plus the surplus of whatever they had to use for that. What happened to the passengers of those other trips? So, what happened was those passengers were transferred over to the Titanic and it added additional people who weren't even supposed to be there on the first place. Some people were super stoked, like, yeah, we got a free trip on the Titanic. This is gonna be great, this is gonna be maiden voyage where history is being made, anyways. It's great. The other people, there were some other groups of people where they were super upset because they're like, my first class ticket only pays for a second class ticket on the Titanic. I have to pay this month extra just to be on first class so that I have to ride second class now. And you know, they had to pay the difference. It sucked. With the hype of the ship and the transfer passenger, the Titanic was loaded full to capacity. It contained 1,320 passengers and 912 crew members. It had more than 2,200 people on board total for this trip. Remember, there's only 16 lifeboats and four baby cannabis boats that didn't really do anything. Hotels of that day were overbooked. People wanted to watch and launch to watch the launch, and those who knew somebody who were coming, or they just wanted to watch it. It was cool. So the place was just packed full of people, the docks, everything. If you can imagine the busiest day that you've ever seen, maybe double that. The Titanic was nicknamed the Millionaire's Special, and its captain was nicknamed the Millionaire's Captain. And I cannot stress enough the class standards or the expectations of this ship. The types of people on this ship, one passenger wrote the artist of renown and the great writer, the man of theatrical success, the giant of the world of trade, the aide of a nation's president, the prettiest woman, the woman who represented social prominence, the indispensable American girl, presidents of railrays, railways aristocrats of Europe, all of these to add the to the glory of the first decrossing of the biggest ship. So celebrities, philanthropists, anybody who's anybody who was on the ship. For the ticket prices, third class cost seven pounds, or in today's money, $1,077. Second class, 12 pounds or $1,846. First class births, so this isn't like the highest, this is just below. 30 to 80 pounds or $4,616 to $8,000 for birth ticket one way. First class suites, this is the most expensive. Anywhere between $576 to $876 pounds. Somewhere between $50,000 and $130,000 today. So if you want those first class suites, you gotta pen in that. In first class, there were a total of 337 passengers, 12 of them altogether, industrial rich people. $191 million worth of people for 12 of them. If you're going to count almost $337, $500 million plus. That's how much these people were worth. First class passengers wore very fancy clothes for all occasions. They were told to bring clothes for breakfast, tea time, dinner, gym clothes. Women wore lace corsets, expensive gowns, fancy shoes, men wore tuxes and top hats and polished shoes and fancy shoes. Among the first class passengers were several industrial and business moguls, high-ranking officials, celebrities, philanthropists, Guggenheim, business guy, William Thomas Dead, journalist Isidore Strauss and his wife, Strauss. They own Macy's Ismay, the White Star Director, Thomas Andrews, the guy who built the ship. JP Morgan was not on the boat. In second class, there were 270 passengers. Most of these passengers were transfers from the other liners who went to first class from their one-liners and then had to transfer to the Titanic and they had to pay more, so they just stuck with second class. It's fine. Most of these people were rich, but not as super rich like the other ones. These people, you could pick them up because they wore usually nice dresses, polished shoes. The men wore a suit and a tie, usually not often a tuxedo, but a nice suit and tie. One family on board was because they had a sick son, and they were told that the only hospital that could hear him was in the US. In second class, no, I'm sorry, in third class, or steerage, this was made up 70% of the ship's capacity. There were 712 passengers. Almost all of these passengers were immigrants. English, Irish, French, Polish, Scandinavian, Italian, Middle Eastern. Most of these passengers were working class. They only had one or two different outfits, and they were there just to get to the US to start a new life for themselves. One man in third class was hesitant to get a ticket. His family was urging him to come to Detroit, and he didn't want to put his uh family through rough conditions. Nice. Accommodations were somewhat different. All three classes had separate eating spaces. Mr. Ed already talked about this, but hey, the indoor toilets are nice. Go for it.

Ed 41:55

Yeah, so a breakdown of the like the timeline of events. And got a nifty little timeline here, which I'll go through real quick. So March 31st, 1909, construction begins on in Belfast, Ireland. May 31st, 1911. Uh Titanic is launched, and later uh the fitting out phase starts April 10th, 1912. Maiden Voyage begins, leaves Southampton. April 11th, 1912. Titanic makes its final European stop in Queensland or Queenstown, Ireland. Now this is where things get fast. Pay attention not just to the dates, but to like the hours and minutes. April 14th, 1912. 11:35 p.m. An iceberg is spotted, but too late to avoid the collision. April 15th, 1912. So now we're the next morning. But it is now 12.15 in the morning. The first distress call signals are sent. At 1220, so five minutes later, Carpathia rushes towards Titanic. 12.45 a.m. First lifeboats are lowered. Uh 2.18. So now we're like just like an hour and 30 minutes later. The bow sinks. And then 2.20, Titanic flounders. Meaning it's now broken in half. And it's now heading towards the bottom of the ocean. It was estimated that it took about three hours to get to the bottom of the ocean. 330 survivors are rescued by the Carpathia. And then on September 1st, 1985, the shipwreck was discovered by Robert Ballard. That ship hit that chunk of ice and sank within about two and a half hours. Which is just mind boggling. And there was actually Actually, a YouTube channel where uh they do a real-time CGI rendition of the Titanic of like like pretend that you're in a lifeboat and you see the Titanic this kind of like floating there, it hits the iceberg, and then it takes two and a half hours to watch it, but you can see gradually as this thing sank. One thing I want to point out is this ship, this size, in order to make a U-turn, so to go forward and then turn around and head back, needs about five miles of ocean. That's that's a big, big turnaround. And it can take, you know, like an hour to arrange that. It was estimated the Titanic spotted the iceberg at a range of 1,500 feet, so about a quarter nautical mile away. While moving at 22 knots, which is about 25 miles an hour, the ship only had 40 seconds to do the following. Now, there's a a theory out there that states that the crew sucked, that the crew was awful. Check out these steps that they only had 40 seconds to make it work. Spot the iceberg, ring the bell, shout to the officer of the watch of the sighting. The officer of the watch would need to make visual contact himself. So he would have to come out and visually see the iceberg. Then he would have to rush to the bridge and prepare to stall the engines, but stoke the furnaces. So kill the engines, but get the furnaces running red hot and prepare for a full reverse. Then start turning the wheel, you know, the big wheel like you see on pirate ships. Start spinning that thing to the left. It had to go for about 60 rotations. So that way they could start moving the ship to the left because the iceberg was just off to the right a little bit. And they had to start like maneuvering it. Keep in mind that the ship needs miles of distance to maneuver. To stall the engines, meaning they had you can't just like in a car, you know how you can push a button and you go forward, you push a button, now you're going in reverse. You can't do that on these ships. You had to stop the 720-ton engines, and there were three of them. You have to stop it, and then you have to re resend the steam in and get the engines firing in reverse. So uh they had to vent all the steam that was running through the pipes to stall the engines, which would have sent massive plumes of steam out the smokestacks. Once the ship engine stalled, think about how much it would take to stop something with 300 or uh 30,000 horsepower. The turbines had to be set to reverse. By now, the furnaces were raging hot, the boilers were on the verge of exploding. The engines would have to be re-engaged but in reverse. This would take some time before, because imagine how long it would take to get something that weighs 720 tons moving again. The three massive propellers, each one of these things weighed about 38 tons, would start to spin backwards. And the idea was that you start steering to the left and you hit reverse on the engines, and that would magnify the effect of going left because it would slow the ship down, and then the ship could angle off to the left. All this was done in 30 seconds to normally do this in the ocean 15 minutes to an hour to just normally do this at a casual pace. So they pulled all this off in 30 seconds, but it wasn't enough. And we have the collision, and it's really weird because they were looking at the iceberg and they were just seeing the tip. But as many of you probably know, only like one percent of the iceberg is above the water. The right, like 95 or whatever percent of it is all underwater and it's huge, and that's what happened. It it hit pretty low down. I think it was like on the seventh deck, seventh or eighth deck, and it did a lot of damage in the engine deck as well. So after this, we know what happens: the boat sinks. Now we've got theories. We we've got a lot of theories, and this is where our students come in. And our first one is Mr. Jackson.

SPEAKER_07 48:38

Hello. So the ship uh it they had to have it pretty well made, kind of. They had these compartments on the bottom of the ship were which were meant to be flooded. There were 16 of them on the bottom part of the ship, but only four were meant to be flooded, though. And the ice and once the iceberg punctured some of the area where the compartments are, this made the fifth one flood and sink the ship down while the water streamed into the other compartments because these compartments they were supposed to be they weren't it wasn't meant to flood as much, so and it didn't the compartment walls of each compartment didn't go all of the way up. So the water just kept streaming and flowing into each compartment.

Ed 49:42

Now, do you think if if they if only say like two or three compartments were compromised or broken, do you think the it not going all the way to the top wouldn't have mattered? Do you think that would have prevented the water from like spilling over because five compartments were damaged?

SPEAKER_07 50:00

Well, it might have, and it might have not.

Ed 50:06

Okay. So the jury's still out on that?

SPEAKER_07 50:08

Yeah.

Ed 50:09

Nice.

SPEAKER_07 50:10

So this is all pretty believable considering it was made with a weak material. The people who had a first class ticket got to have a swimming pool. This was made by pumping in heated salt water and just seawater into the pool. But then they decided to expand the size of the pool and let non-first class tickets in. It was expanded to approximately 359.1 million square kilometers. Basically the ocean, because it was.

Ed 50:50

Holy cow, that's a lot of pool.

SPEAKER_07 50:54

Yeah, definitely.

Ed 50:56

Just for like 300 people.

SPEAKER_07 50:58

Yeah. So after the Titanic sink, nobody could believe that these big ships were indestructible because as the Titanic, they were not. It also sparked a lawmaking frenzy, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Probably to prevent ships expanding their pool to 359.1 million square kilometers. I have to say that whole thing.

Ed 51:37

Yeah, you get it. It's a big number. You gotta throw it all out there.

unknown 51:39

Yeah.

Ed 51:41

All right, cool, man. You got anything else you want to try to add on, or not really.

SPEAKER_07 51:46

Okay. That's all I have.

Ed 51:48

Okay. Well, let's have our trio coming up. Now we've got Kane, Jordan, and Maddie. They're all gonna crowd around a microphone as my headphones go flying. And sorry.

SPEAKER_05 52:02

Hello.

Ed 52:03

Hi Odie.

SPEAKER_05 52:05

Guys, say hi. Hi.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

Hello.

Ed 52:09

So who's going first? Because this is an interesting conspiracy theory.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

So I'll go first. So okay. September um 1911. The Royal Navy cruiser HMS Hawk is cruising in the Solan. It was a clear weather day, and the hawk was just like basically cruising along next to the RMS Olympic, a much larger ship. The huge new luxury boat of the White Star Line has just gone out. So basically the two ships are sailing parallel next to each other. And the hawk starts to like go in closer to the Olympic and slams into the Olympic and like leaves a hideous wreck with dents and rips out of the metal and stuff like that. The white star line was furious. Olympic and her sister ship Titanic, that was going to be the company's long success success story. Well, now the Olympic has has to be patched up and go back to Belfast where the boat's builders were. When the ship arrived back where she literally just left, the Olympic and Titanic were alongside each other and repairs got underway. The Olympic is so bad damaged, so she is no longer any use for the White Star line, and her worthiness is ruined because of the wreck. But there's a nearly identical sister ship Titanic, and so that's when they started thinking about like switching the boats up.

Ed 53:49

So Okay. So the idea was hey, like forget about the Olympic. Let's just like swap ships and and go from there.

SPEAKER_02 54:01

Yeah, basically. Like so they were gonna like patch up the name and like change them up.

Ed 54:06

Okay. Got it. All right, Decain.

SPEAKER_09 54:10

Um The reason they wanted to switch it and sync it was because if they could successfully sync it without people thinking it was planned, they would get a huge insurance claim, which would be able to basically get them out of bankruptcy. They were going bankrupt because the British White Star Line was competing with mostly everyone else to create bigger and better ships. But they were mostly competing with Connard, the other ship, the other cruising ship company. Kennard had made the fastest ships and with the white with the blue line.

Ed 54:47

Yeah, the the uh Mauritania.

SPEAKER_09 54:49

Yeah, and the White Star Line had been focusing on the most luxurious and the bless best places in your family if you wanted to like travel, the most comfortable.

SPEAKER_04 55:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 55:02

And because of the Olymp the Olympia being damaged, it would be more expensive to fix it up completely at all the new expenses and luxury than to just switch the names, give it like a patch that would pass the tests, but not be but if it hit anything, then it would just sink.

Ed 55:27

Yeah, and I and if I remember correctly, the theory was too that like part of the drive shaft got damaged, and the ship had a a hard time turning left.

SPEAKER_09 55:40

Yeah.

Ed 55:41

And it just so happened that the iceberg hit the right hand side.

SPEAKER_09 55:45

Yeah.

Ed 55:46

Just just so happened. It's a uh it's an interesting theory because I think the White Star Line, they got like a $15 million payout on a boat that cost them seven uh seven million to make.

SPEAKER_09 55:58

And that's why they didn't go immediately bankrupt. Yes, they are bankrupt today, but it still kept them floating for a couple more years.

Ed 56:06

Yeah. Yeah. And I imagine when the Great Depression hits, then they're they're gone. Yeah, they're they're toast.

SPEAKER_09 56:13

And they couldn't pull another one of that because then that would just destroy their reputation.

Ed 56:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 56:18

Um, people also say that the Olympic was planned to be the Titanic from the start.

SPEAKER_04 56:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 56:25

That they were already bankrupt, and no matter if it got damaged, they wanted one to be intact, but the other to sink for that insurance claim.

Ed 56:34

Got it.

SPEAKER_09 56:35

Like they had built it, realized we're out of money, and switched to that even before it got damaged. The damage just happened to improve it.

Ed 56:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 56:47

Yeah.

Ed 56:48

Interesting. Okay. Cool. Coming up, Maddie? Yeah. It's okay. It's just a microphone.

SPEAKER_05 57:00

Okay, so I have nothing on that subject.

Ed 57:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 57:04

My notes, but I have like I have other stuff, obviously. Okay. Um, so like there was this guy, JP Morgan. There he there was there was a theory that um he hired men to like, as the ship was sinking, he hired men to like play in a band to like to distract them from the fact that the boat was sinking.

Ed 57:26

Interesting. To like so is that the like that that famous story of the uh like those four violinists or that like string quartet group, they were playing on on the deck, and so it it was theorized. Was it that group that was designed to distract people from the boat sinking?

SPEAKER_05 57:43

I think so, but it was they were so they were hired by JP Morgan because JP Morgan wanted to sink the boat.

Ed 57:51

Why would JP Morgan want to sink the boat? I honestly don't, I'm not sure, but I'm I think we we have some other conspiracy theorists that will elaborate on that.

SPEAKER_05 58:01

Yeah, someone looked like they were getting mad. Um, but I think there were like, how do I word this? There were, I'm pretty sure there were people on the boat that like he didn't like or almost like enemies.

Ed 58:17

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 58:19

Drown.

Ed 58:20

So the okay, all right. I think I've heard this one before. So it was a uh it was kind of like a conspiracy theory to get rid of his competition. Yes, that's a way to do it, yeah. And him being an investor in that boat, he would have gotten part of that insurance claim. So he would have made money by killing people.

SPEAKER_05 58:37

Yeah.

Ed 58:38

It's a very American way of doing things.

SPEAKER_05 58:43

And then there was this other guy named Morgan Robertson who wrote a fictional book called The F the Feudal Feudalty, and it this was 14 years after and it was about a fictional, it was a fictional novel that about the largest boat ever built hitting an iceberg on a cold April night, and the boat was called The Titan.

Ed 59:08

Yes, yes, I've heard of this one, and it um I thought it was written 14 years prior.

SPEAKER_05 59:14

That's what I meant.

Ed 59:15

Okay, yeah. It was written 14 years prior, and it was just like really there's so many similarities between what actually happened and that book, it is haunting, yeah, and it's crazy. Yeah, it is yeah. I think like the captain had a similar name, like it was yeah, it's it's wild. If you're into conspiracy theories, that's that's a really interesting one.

SPEAKER_05 59:36

It I thought that one was crazy, yeah. No, and it was also labeled unsinkable.

Ed 59:42

Yeah, yeah, that's true. So yeah, good stuff. What got anything else?

SPEAKER_05 59:49

Um, with the so for the safety boats, um, they only filled them halfway.

Ed 59:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:59

And I don't know why, but yeah.

Ed 1:00:02

I think Keras probably would go into that, but I if I remember correctly, one of the biggest issues was that the boats were kind of untested. They they just didn't know how many people they could put in there and not have them sink.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:12

Yeah.

Ed 1:00:14

So so yeah, okay, cool, awesome. Bye. Alrighty, Stren. This one, this one's one of my favorites because it it covers curses. And I like me a good curse.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:32

Okay, so this one, uh, I would I just want to preface this by saying uh this is very, very this is a very, very out there kind of theory. And um, I chose it because all the other theories were already taken. But you know what?

Ed 1:00:48

This one's pretty cool. This is good tinfoil hat material.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:51

Yeah. So the synopsis of this one is a mummy's curse sank the Titanic. Let me explain. Basically, several, several years before that Titanic launched, four rich young men were in Egypt and were trying to well buy uh buy an old part of the sarcophagus. And they drew they drew sticks, and the one that won, he brought it into into he brought it into his hotel room, and then a few hours later he was seen just walking off into the desert. Okay. Except um he never returned. Um the second guy in the group had his arm shot and he had to amputate it. The third guy, the third guy lost all of his money because when he when he came home, he figured out that his bank had failed and his savings were toast. The fourth guy got sick and lost everything.

Ed 1:01:49

Um this was a common thing because Egypt was all the rage of this time period, all the way from the like the early 18 or 1800s up to like the present. Everybody in the world, if you're rich, you wanted a piece of of ancient Egypt. And so like these people were like smuggling artifacts out, and I think what in this case it was like the inner lid of a sarcophagus, and that somehow made its way in the Titanic.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:17

Basically, the the rest of the story goes, um, a rich businessman bought the bought bought the like the lid, I guess, and then he lost three family members, they all died, um, and his house burned while uh while he was in possession of it. And then he gave it to the British Museum. Now, upon being unloaded, it trapped it trapped one behind the truck, it broke it broke someone's leg, and it killed someone. Well, did it it didn't really kill someone? You see, the one of the guys that was offloading it off of this truck, he was in perfect health, right? Well, except two ye two days later, he died.

Ed 1:02:56

Nobody knows why. Um just a random get sick and die.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:01

Yeah. Cool. I don't even think he was sick. He he just died.

Ed 1:03:04

Okay. So his heart stopped beating.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:06

Yeah, his heart stopped. Um now in the museum, the night guards supposedly heard it like screaming and kicking at night. And keep in mind, this is just the lid. This is just the lid of a sarcophagus. There's nothing inside of it, really.

Ed 1:03:23

Um the lid was the thing that they would carve in the curses.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:29

Yeah.

Ed 1:03:29

So like the inside and the outside and hieroglyphics would have the curses on it, and it would even kind of specify to some degree like how how you would die if you steal this artifact. And it could be like getting Yeah, well, it had stuff on there like getting crushed, you know, getting sick, like they covered all their bases.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:51

Um also apparently it like destroyed a bunch of stuff in the British Museum's Egyptian room. Um, and apparently one of the watchmen um died on duty, supposedly, because of it, making the other guy being like, uh, I don't know if I want to do this anymore. But uh he had to. Womp womp, I guess. Um Well, the museum Debbie Donner, like see the museum tried to sell it, and I mean the buyer was, I think, like the the buyer was like, yeah, okay, it's cursed. Well, why don't I exercise it? Well, coincidentally, I think not. Um, he couldn't get the thing exercised. For some reason or other, no ex no like priest or whatever was available. So um, no, it still had all those curses.

Ed 1:04:47

Umce cursed, always cursed.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:51

Yep. So he then decided to s to sell it to some stupid American who was a stupid American, I guess. And uh I guess he was uh hanging out in England because he wanted to ship it across the Atlantic to New York. So that's how the thing ended up on the Titanic. And basically the theory states that the Titanic wouldn't have crashed if that um pesky little thing wasn't on there. Um now personally, I think this theory is like a load of bull crap.

Ed 1:05:23

Um it's it's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:29

I mean, it's fun, sure. It's like a fun little, it's a fun little Halloween story. But I mean, first of all, there's no real mummy in the thing. Second of all, it's this is just this just reeks of absolute xenophobia. Like it's just like, oh no, like one of the the people that had some of the people that had bought it had said that, oh yes, the face on it, it just looks tortured. But when in reality, it's just like a tradition. Egyptian style of painting.

Ed 1:06:01

It's not, it's not, it's not like the ancient Egyptians, like 3,000 years ago, are like, okay, let's put a curse on here in case this thing ends up in a giant steel boat going from England to New York.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:11

Exactly. We have to freak out some white people. It's crazy. Um no, a strange, ugly thing is traveling and killing many. Also, bad things happen to loads of people at the same time. And our human brain just like naturally searches for a connection.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:30

Like there are like you could argue that anything bad that ever happened was thanks to this freaking like piece of what was it, like stone? It's a rock.

Ed 1:06:42

Like well, and and like when you look at the full history of what happened to all these people, it was over the course of like decades. Yeah. It wasn't all like in the same week kind of a thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:53

And like, okay, bad things happen to like the re the only reason that so many tragedies happen to the people that were in possession of it is because I don't know. As I said before, xenoph xenophobia, just a whole bunch of white people getting pissed off about okay, okay. Um, my teachers are telling me to stop well uh anyway, that's my theory. Well, not really. That's not really my theory. It's yeah, it's it's your contribution to it's this is my contribution to this big fiery potluck. Anyways, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:35

Thank you, thank you.

Ed 1:07:41

And now, if you thought that was interesting, now we got his brother coming up. So, Nathaniel, I'm sure he's got a very good contribution here.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:51

Okay, well, I don't think it's that interesting. I mean, you kind of addressed it like prior. Okay, but and you also kind of debunked it.

unknown 1:07:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:00

So my original theory was like crew negligence, right? But now that I think about it, I feel like it was um more or less what the heck is the company called? White Star's fault. Because we have a ship going from London to New York.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:17

Pretty, pretty large distance, huh? So why did we like scrub half the safety measures? Like they um, like you said earlier, they have the lifeboats. So they halved, like like fraction.

Ed 1:08:34

Yeah, yeah, H A L F.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:37

I don't know if the microphone picked that up right.

Ed 1:08:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:39

But, anyways, why? So the first class passengers don't get like, oh my god, oh no, it's a lifeboat. It's a big ugly lifeboat. Whatever am I going to do?

Ed 1:08:48

My screwing like ugly lifeboat right at my window.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:53

Oh, like Wellington from Napoleon. Yeah. There's a big ugly lifeboat that we'd in front of my uh cannons are exploding around them. But, anyways, um obviously it was called like the unsinkable ship or the ship that could never sink. So therefore nobody foresaw that it was actually gonna sink. I mean, fair, I guess, right?

Ed 1:09:18

Because this thing was the reason why it's so famous is because everybody thought it was supposed to be this like bastion of integrity, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:29

So I guess why remove half the safety uh measures?

Ed 1:09:33

Or like why not extend the bulkheads of the compartments all the way up.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:37

Yeah. But you again, you said like the rich richer people don't want to see massive steel doors uh just right outside their rooms.

Ed 1:09:46

I figured, hey, let's just paint them. Like paint, like put like four over the room.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:50

They could have like, yeah, if I don't know, if it was outside some Roman room, they could have painted them as columns or not. They would lose their functionality, I guess.

Ed 1:09:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:58

So it would just be painted in a different way.

Ed 1:10:00

Well, and and the I know the part you're talking about with the uh negligence, like, yeah, the officers, I think, probably did an okay job, but there was like what, 900 other crew members on there? And who knows what they could have done to like inadvertently scrap if like, for example, why were there no tests done on the lifeboats? Why were there no drills being done? Why didn't they know that they could put more people on there? It's like, come on, out of 900 people that they they couldn't have done better. But yeah, they I guess they tried and they really did do a good job turning those engines around. But let's be fair, there was probably 903 other people on there that probably could have done a little better because they did pull people from all over the place.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:54

So I think that would be more white stars' fault.

Ed 1:10:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:59

Because they would have to be the ones like, okay, today we're gonna run this lifeboat and then we're gonna run this lifeboat. Just like way before they actually set Titanic to sail, because then you know that the lifeboats are functioning. And I mean, not well, how could a lifeboat break, really?

Ed 1:11:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:18

A lifeboat is lifeboat.

Ed 1:11:20

So one of them led ones that just sink to the bottom of the ocean.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:23

But another thing I want to bring up is like a majority of Titanic's victims, according to National Archives, which I got my info from.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:33

Um a majority of those victims were of the third class, and that evidently brought up a lot of issues and concerns regarding like the treatment uh or equality of classes in society. So um, I don't know, what do you think? So I I think the crew like purposely uh evacuated people. I don't know.

Ed 1:11:58

I don't know. I I it wouldn't surprise me if there was some element of okay, the officers and their crew are like, hey, we've got to get the rich people off. And then we can get second class people off, and then we can get third. I I think a lot of it too is just simple logistics. The rich people were the closest to the boats, so they got on. And then the second class would get on, and then the third class with the four elevators working, you could only bring up so many people at a time. But you know, there was also reports of them like locking gates to keep them down in there, and it wouldn't surprise me if there was some people on there because a lot of immigration was was derived like in the states was kind of racist. Like Americans did not necessarily want all these immigrants coming over, so there could have been people on that boat that would have been like, hey, I see an opportunity here, and lock gates and try to slow the path down. I don't think it would have been all that much, but hey, it only takes one jerk to ruin it for everybody. But I definitely think that there was less attention given to the third class for sure.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:13

Well, the way I see it is, if I'm not mistaken, the the iceberg hit the starboard side, and I assume that would cause damage on the lower levels. Yes. So you I don't know why they wouldn't try to evacuate people like from um like from the area around the rupture, uh unless it's like prejudice against poorer people or or they had already shut the they'd already once they found out that the compartments were flooding, they shut those doors.

Ed 1:13:47

And once you shut them, you can't open them.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:48

It doesn't seem ethically ethically um sound. Correct, yeah.

Ed 1:13:53

Yeah, I mean if I was the officer, uh Murdoch was the first officer, he was probably the one that had to make that call to close those doors, knowing that he was gonna have those people all drown.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:05

But they so you're telling me they had no time to get everyone out and then they could close the doors?

Ed 1:14:10

No.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:10

Like it was down to the second.

Ed 1:14:12

Yeah, it was down, they I think they had, depending on where they were at, some of them only had maybe 20 seconds to get out.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:19

That's insane, dude.

Ed 1:14:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:21

Well, I mean, that's a lot of okay.

Ed 1:14:24

No, that's a great contribution. I like that.

unknown 1:14:28

Bye.

Ed 1:14:33

We got Abby coming up here. Um, she's going to talk about how alcohol saved a man's life. Let's see how you know it's called. One wearing cowboy boots is coming up here talking about how booze saves a guy.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:55

Anywho, so my homeboy here. Anywho, a young man, his name, we don't know his name for some reason, which I honestly don't know why. Because like I scoured the internet for like two hours, couldn't find it. So maybe I just didn't look something upright, but yeah.

Ed 1:15:13

We'll call him John.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:14

Okay. A young man named John. Um, so after he helped, because he was in first class and he wasn't like in like the first class suite. He was like in like more of like a regular first class.

Ed 1:15:32

Yeah, he was like in that that in-between, like the elite and second class.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:36

What his like room was located, he was in one of like the few rooms that was located on the higher part with the like first class suites. So he was at more so the front of the boat.

Ed 1:15:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:49

And so what he did is when he they were like, Okay, we've hit an iceberg, it's gonna sink. Like, here you go.

Ed 1:15:57

He's just standing like, oh, oh, this is this, this isn't good.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:00

So after he helped passengers, so he was more like towards a place. So he helped passengers get on their lifeboats, and then he actually went back to his room and had a couple more drinks. Like, I kid you not like he had a couple more drinks.

Ed 1:16:18

Why not? As you do when your boat sinks.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:21

Exactly. So basically, and then once the boat had like after like I would say the time had been like it had been sinking for like two hours and like 15?

Ed 1:16:33

It sounds about right. Because like it was about it.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:36

It took like about like 30-ish, like uh, not 30 minutes, like three hours. And then it was like three hours and like what like 45 minutes.

Ed 1:16:44

Well, that the it only took like maybe roughly three hours for the whole thing start to finish. But after about two hours or 15 minutes, the front of that boat would have been pretty high up there.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:53

It was pretty high, and so what he did, he stayed on it as long as he could, and then once it was like where you can't stand on it anymore, yeah. Um, he jumped off. And after, like at that point, there were already like lots of bodies in the ocean, and rescue boats were like not rescue boats, but like lifeboats were going and looking for people who survived, so he flagged one down, like he was like waving arms like crazy, and they pulled him out, and somehow he survived. So I'm assuming he was only in there for like five minutes, which will still like be like really cold. Yeah, he survived like swollen feet and like swollen calves, like that's it, and he survived.

Ed 1:17:33

And it was because of the alcohol, apparently, apparently. I just visions of this guy like holding like all these bottles of booze, just like just like floating there, like priorities, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:17:47

Meanwhile, he's got like a nagging wife that he like left behind and taking the bottles and yeah, and then I completely forgot, but didn't you say like when a little contribute to the your thing, like how the Titanic was made? Was it there like wasn't it between like Britain and some other place that like they and there's an alleged accusation, thank you, um that like they had like made the boat to super weak, like the do you remember talking about that?

Ed 1:18:22

Yeah, so there there's a theory out there because it was built in Ireland, yeah, and at that time Ireland did not really like Britain and they really wanted the whole island to be free. And this goes all the way through like the 60s and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Go figure. Britain making friends as they do. And uh the theory is that uh the metal, when they were making it, uh they purposely put impurities in it to make it weaker.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:52

Yeah.

Ed 1:18:53

And uh that way, so when it got hit, when it hit that iceberg, it just it did more damage than it would have if they used a higher grade steel. And so it was like sabotaged.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:05

So yeah, that's all I have.

Ed 1:19:08

Great. Now we know how to survive a shipwreck.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:10

De nada wild distress.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:18

Oh god.

unknown 1:19:22

Yeah, it's good.

Ed 1:19:23

Oh, you if you were young, by the way, like the priority was to put women and children on the lifeboats. So if you were young, you got like if you could get to the boats, you would have been prioritized. I I I I I would have been a goner because I'm old and fat and I'm a man. Like, I've served my purpose, but you guys have a future, so you you would have been good to go.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:49

Okay, so um there was this theory about the Titanic being sunk by God. Oh, oh, um, so Okay. Okay. So there was this guy, his name was, I think it was Captain Smith. He was one of the captains, obvious obviously.

Ed 1:20:09

But was the captain. He was E.J. Smith, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:13

The captain.

Ed 1:20:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:14

Um, he wasn't a believer of God, at least I don't think so. But he mentioned how God couldn't sink his ship. But people don't actually know if he said this. But he said, like, specifically, not even God himself can sink the ship, and five days later it sunk. And um his last words were simply be British. And um, I know this sounds like really weird, but like I saw it on a YouTube video like a few years ago, and it was like, um Well, the nice thing is on YouTube, so it has to be accurate.

Ed 1:20:46

They wouldn't put anything in YouTube that wasn't accurate, right? Well Sure.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:52

There's like this thing. Have you ever seen like the people who like have like a message above their head and they point at it for like 18 seconds and then they start explaining? It's like um, so it's like people who mock God and then died, and it's like um Number one. Um, but he was like, Yeah, not even God can sink this ship. And it turned out that it sunk, and I saw on a YouTube video and it was like about the Titanic, and now that we're talking about the Titanic in the classroom, I remembered the video and I thought I'd do a deeper dive on it as my theory and stuff, and apparently it's true.

Ed 1:21:33

And what the power guy said, hold my beer and watch this. He's like cracking his knuckles on his boat just goes in the water. And then he's like, he just spawns an iceberg right in front of him.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:46

Yeah.

Ed 1:21:46

But um it's like a Minecraft iceberg just chilling.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:53

But um Minecraft iceberg, it's not like a popular theory, but it is a theory that people might b believe. But I thought it was a unique theory, and um, I kind of lost my words. Uh uh.

Ed 1:22:04

Yeah, words are hard.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:06

Yeah. But um, thanks. Um, but I thought I'd do a deeper dive on it, and it turns out it was true. About like two hours and 45 minutes when the ship was like starting to go like slanted, yeah, he was like at the very top of the ship, still trying to like avoid the iceberg, even though it was like the captain was up there. It was already like halfway in the water, and um, not funny, but at the same time, funny story. Um, he was hanging on to the edge of the ship and he fell. And he fell into the water.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:39

Oh, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:41

Like bonked his head on the side of the ship and he drowned. But his last words were beepish. And he yelled it out loud, very loud. I think I'm not actually sure how to do it.

Ed 1:22:52

So he's like, all of you in the water that are floating ice cubes, be British.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:59

That's all I have about God sinking a ship.

Ed 1:23:02

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:03

Don't mock God or else shimp will be sunk. Shimp.

Ed 1:23:07

Your shrimp will be sunk.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:10

Shimp will be sunk.

Ed 1:23:11

And God said I hate that shrimp. Ends up on a skewer in a drill.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:18

Gets eaten. But yeah, that's all I have.

Ed 1:23:21

Awesome. Great job.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:24

Good job, Josie. Thank you.

Ed 1:23:28

All right. Well, we got that all figured out.

Kara 1:23:32

Did it. They did it.

Ed 1:23:36

Yes, they did. They uh they they these kids definitely um they made their opinions very apparent.

Kara 1:23:46

All right.

Ed 1:23:47

So what was the uh what was the aftermath of all this?

Kara 1:23:51

Okay. So the Carpathia had received the Titanic's SOS signals while it was going down.

Ed 1:23:58

I thought it was a Carpathia.

Kara 1:24:00

I probably. I don't know. All I did was read it. They were about four hours away when they received the calls and they made their way to the Titanic's location. By the time they got there, around 3 a.m., there was nothing but light boats, bodies, and a low green light under the water that was once the Titanic. A majority of those who perished were third-class passengers and crew members. 705 people out of the 2,245 on the boat survived. Stories, myths, and conspiracies almost instantly began to crop up after the ship sank. This was primarily due to the ship's initial reputation as an unseekable floating treasure trove of money and rich people, which, I mean, I kind of get it, fair rumor mills, right. Stories of survivors such as Molly Brown and Arthur Henry Rostin began to spread throughout British and American societies as well. Molly Brown was a first-class passenger who helped survivors on lifeboats and steered her own to safety to the Carpathia. Archibald Gracie IV survived by climbing onto an overturned lifeboat and in the middle of the ocean. He later wrote a book about it. Charles Lightholder, I think that's how you say it, also survived by climbing onto an overturned lifeboat and was famously the last person to be rescued. The biggest thing to go through the rumor mill and the general public as well was and in the government, what happened? The kids had their theories, the governments had other conclusions.

Ed 1:25:31

Yeah, they had more questions than anything.

Kara 1:25:34

Yep, mostly lots of questions. It took the Carpathia three days to get to New York from the wreckage site. At that time, lists' survivors were sent in both Europe and the US. People began wondering what had happened, how did it happen, and stories cropped up before anybody had any concrete information. So while the Carpathia was on its way back, it sent lists of people who served who they thought survived, who was on their boat. They sent lists back to New York and London, and families started to crop up. So families were waiting by the time Carpathia got back to New York. Both the US government and the British Parliament launched official investigations into the sinking of the ship. And now that I'm looking at my notes, I don't think it was the British Parliament. I think it was the British trade board that launched the investigation.

Ed 1:26:22

Yeah. So because didn't they have like a dispute between America and Britain?

Kara 1:26:28

Like we'll get there.

Ed 1:26:29

What happened? Okay.

Kara 1:26:30

Uh so for the U.S. investigation, April 19th, 1912, it lasted until May 25th, 1912. More than 80 witnesses were interviewed in this investigation. Charles Leitholer, the guy I just talked about, he was also the second officer and the most senior crew member to survive. So they interviewed him, and a majority of the witnesses were passengers and some crew members. Witnesses claimed the following information. At least this was the most notable, as well as their individual survivor stories, which I honestly recommend anybody who has the time, go and read them. They're pretty great. A lot of them wrote books, they have their testimonies online. I actually was able to find an entire website, and all it is is it's dedicated to the testimonies of the US witnesses as well as the British witnesses. It's pretty cool. Yeah, so you can go and read through all of them. But there was a commonality, and it was basically this a warning signal was never sounded, and a number of passengers and crew members were unaware of any danger for a long time. A lifeboat drill was never held with the crew or with the passengers during the the trip. Lowering the lifeboats during the emergency was done haphazardly, so that's why a lot of the lifeboats were overturned.

Ed 1:27:44

Um I do know, like on the in the James Cameron movie, they they really showed that. Like the boats were like bumping into each other. They were like like like they're like trying to push them away because they were like crushing the people below. And and all that kind of stuff, which I thought that was a nice little touch.

Kara 1:28:04

Yeah. They did a good job there. And when they were loading the boats, there's two ways it could have gone. An officer was yelling women and children. And a lot of the people that were on the boat took that as women and children only. Oh, I thought that was so a lot of the people who were were who interpreted that as women and children only, then there are other people who interpreted that as women and children first. But that is the reason why those lifeboats were only filled halfway and not with a lot of men.

Ed 1:28:44

Probably because they have here was all the women and children that were in the area. Right. And then they just left the guys behind.

Kara 1:28:50

Right. Oh, there was a miscommunication, very likely there was a miscommunication.

Ed 1:28:55

That okay, that is I had I never knew that. That is wild.

Kara 1:29:00

Yeah. Which makes sense in all that chaos.

Ed 1:29:03

Yeah.

Kara 1:29:03

And there's a huge crowd of people, and and you don't, it's hard to tell, you know, women and children. Oh, not your women and children first. That there's no clarification, so we're just gonna do our best.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:14

Man.

Kara 1:29:15

Yep. The crew of a nearby ship. This is another testimony that becomes problematic. The crew of a nearby ship ship, the Californian, was about 20 miles out, about 20, 23 miles when this whole thing first started. The crew saw the ship, but they didn't think it was the Titanic because it looked really small. I mean, you're 20 miles out and it's gonna look smaller, but okay. They also said it was moving and they tried to contact it by Morse code using lanterns, but nobody responded. The Californian's captain had told the men to keep using the Morse code instead of the radio. By 2 a.m., the ship reportedly sailed away. Another thing, too, for the Californian is before the ship sank, the Californian was trying to reach the Titanic to let them know that there was ice in their path and to slow down and stop or whatever, like wait until morning. The two guys who were running the like radio thingy.

Ed 1:30:14

The transmitter.

Kara 1:30:16

Yeah, that thing. The guy who was who was working it when the Californian was was attempting to contact the Titanic, he was so overwhelmed by all of these personal messages from these passengers. He he freaked out, I guess, and he told the the Californian radio man, shut up. I need to do my work. So the Californian guy was like, All right, turned off the radio and went to bed. So that is why there was no radio to the Californian who was not four hours out, maybe half an hour.

Ed 1:30:56

Yeah. Oh yeah.

Kara 1:30:58

So friends, communication is key. Do not tell anybody to shut up when you're on the job.

Ed 1:31:06

Yeah, yeah. Just be like, hey, give me a minute. I'm a little swamped. That's all you have to do.

Kara 1:31:11

Yep.

Ed 1:31:12

Oh the U.S.

Kara 1:31:14

investigation concluded that the British Board of Trade was at fault for careless regulation and rushed inspections. Other causes noted in their conclusions was that the captain failed to slow the ship down when going through ice, as well as the failure of the Californian to respond to the Titanic's distress signals. So that was the official conclusion of the U.S. investigation. The British investigations began May of 1912, so just after the U.S., probably around the same time. They were overseen by the British Board of Trade. Yes, the same people that the U.S. held responsible. These testimonies held in Britain were very similar to those in the U.S., so it was a lot of the same witness statements and things like that. So I'm not going to go over them again.

Ed 1:31:59

Yeah, everything that was said in America is being said in Britain. Pretty much. Yeah.

Kara 1:32:04

The British Trade Board concluded that the ship sank due to its collision with the iceberg while sailing at excessive speeds. I mean, yes, that's fair. Good point. The presiding judge here, his name was Sir Charles, John Charles Bingham, Lord Mercy or Mercy, or whatever. I love his name. I just wanted to state. It's great. He said, and it's he states it in the investigation papers, he's not able to blame Captain Smith. He was only doing that which other skilled men would have done in the same position. So the judge in Britain refused to blame the captain when the difference is he he was refusing to blame the captain, and then in the US, they were saying that the captain was going too fast. So there's that little difference. Um, unlike the US investigators, British investigators claimed that the Californian was five to ten nautical miles away, not 20, which I thought was an interesting difference. I I like I don't I don't have anything to corroborate that difference, but it's interesting.

Ed 1:33:12

Yeah, it's like it kind of makes you wonder like, how did you draw that conclusion? Yeah. How the same thing with like the um how how did they figure out that the iceberg was spotted 1,500 feet away?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:27

Yeah.

Ed 1:33:28

It's not like anybody was really really sitting there recording it. Maybe they could see where the boat went down and where the iceberg was.

Kara 1:33:35

My only guess, because I didn't read all of the testimonies, but my only guess is that that second officer testified that the iceberg was that far away.

Ed 1:33:44

Okay.

Kara 1:33:45

And there were crew members who did survive. Not many, but there were crew members who survived and tested and testified to.

Ed 1:33:50

Yeah, I guess uh they could base it off of like, oh yeah, it was so big, and based off of like icebergs being yay big on average or whatever. Yeah, they probably have charts that they can figure it out.

Kara 1:34:02

Yeah. So there is some differences between the two. Obviously, the British Trade Board did not want to take full responsibility for this.

Ed 1:34:12

Like everybody just wanted to wash their hands of it, like me.

Kara 1:34:15

But I did think that the two conclusions were were interesting with very similar testimonies. Both investigations proposed safety recommendations and solutions to something like the Titanic. That way it doesn't happen again. The first international conference of for safety of life at sea was called in London, and they stated that every ship has lifeboat space for every passenger, lifeboat drills must be held for every trip, and ships must contain a 24-hour radio watch with shipping lines in which the ice would be broken up for liners. It can also be argued that the Titanic sinking ended the Edwardian era's attitudes towards innovation and progress amongst the wealthy. It can be argued that it humbled people to take certain things very seriously, like safety, fare.

unknown 1:35:02

Yeah.

Ed 1:35:03

I guess we now have to adhere to these guidelines.

Kara 1:35:07

Unfortunately. But after the trials and the years that followed, further safety measures were put into place for the voyage through the Atlantic that you know made it even more robust and safe for passengers. The wreckage at the bottom of the ocean was not found until 1985. So you can imagine the mysterious, mystique reputation that the Titanic had for a long time. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why it's so famous, is not just because of its reputation when it was above the water, but also It was pretty hard to find. It was hard to find.

Ed 1:35:44

Well, actually, I I actually met Robert Ballard.

Kara 1:35:48

Oh, cool.

Ed 1:35:49

Yeah, he went to my uh he visited uh my high school.

Kara 1:35:52

Okay.

Ed 1:35:53

When I was a teenager, and I got to just go up and talk to him.

Kara 1:35:57

Nice.

Ed 1:35:58

And he said that the biggest problem was that it wasn't necessarily a matter of trying to find it, it was a matter of trying to stay alive.

Kara 1:36:09

Get getting down that deep.

Ed 1:36:11

Yeah, because in in the 70s and 80s, they just didn't have the technology that could go down that far easily, not without a lot of work. Yeah. And the other thing, too, is it's so dark that you have to rely on radar. And like they had to just do scans left and right, forward and backwards. They drew out like a grid of this whole area, and they just spend hours doing these radar scans at the bottom of the ocean. And then when you find uh something that is uh um shaped like half a ship, you can conclude that that's not a rock.

Kara 1:36:55

That's probably a ship.

Ed 1:36:56

Yeah, if it's it's if it's about 400 feet long, 92 feet wide, kind of comes to a point.

Kara 1:37:02

Yeah. Makes sense.

Ed 1:37:04

Yeah, and if I remember correctly, like both halves, like the front half is like hundreds of yards away from the back half, and something like that.

Kara 1:37:16

I don't remember. I don't I haven't looked that up in a long time.

Ed 1:37:19

Yeah, the the wreckage is is pretty complicated. And then there's uh there's a conspiracy theory that the Titanic didn't even have life on it.

Kara 1:37:30

That's dumb.

Ed 1:37:32

And the argument that the this what this was special. The argument was that there was no skeletons down there.

Kara 1:37:41

That's real special. Yeah, yeah, I know. This is why I refuse to talk about conspiracy theory because they frustrate me.

Ed 1:37:53

Some of them can be somewhat valid.

Kara 1:37:56

They still frustrate me.

Ed 1:37:58

Like I I could see the the insurance claim one being a possibility. Uh but the Olympic was used in World War One. That that was the actual Titanic. That's stupid. It was the Olympic that's on the bottom of the ocean. That's stupid. Well, the only way they could really find out is if they can get something into the engine room and see if the drive shaft was actually damaged.

Kara 1:38:22

They fixed it. Hmm? They fixed by World War One, they would have fixed it.

Ed 1:38:25

No, they couldn't. So the the Olympic that's on the bottom of the ocean, the one that got damaged, according to the theory, it it it was damaged, but they couldn't repair it.

Kara 1:38:36

Oh, you're talking about the drive shaft down there. I thought you were talking about the one that's still currently out and about out and about.

Ed 1:38:42

No, no, no, no.

Kara 1:38:43

So old reliable as they call it.

Ed 1:38:46

Yeah. No, so like the apparently, uh, according to the theory, uh, the the ship had a tough time like steering to the left because they didn't have enough time to properly repair everything. And they're like, who cares? It's a big ocean. We can just get it to New York or just get it out there and sink it. Yeah, that that's like the only theory that has some degree of plausibility.

Kara 1:39:17

Uh I I don't I also just realized I called it stupid, and the kids did all this work to research that, and now I feel bad. I'm sorry. I just don't like conspiracy theories.

Ed 1:39:29

Yeah, well, it it and the thing about conspiracy theories is that when if you look for conspiracy theories, you will find them. Right. Whether they exist or not. Uh I I I don't it's and uh what defines a conspiracy theory kind of a thing is yeah, especially like because there have been times where there's been conspiracy theories and they've been proven true.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:54

Yeah.

Ed 1:39:54

And we just just idols don't there's no way to prove it. I I think it's interesting, but I'm not gonna sit there and say, oh yeah, this was like a deep state big corporation scheme and and and all that kind of stuff. Uh there was a lot of shady business practices by Ismay and the White Star Line. So yeah, there's a book out there, I can't remember the name of it, but it it it really go it like it breaks down the whole thing of that that whole theory. But in case if anybody was wondering why there are no more bodies down there, is because the bottom of the ocean things live there. They're going to bacteria is gonna eat everything, animals are gonna eat everything, and then the question is like why are there no bones? Well, the ocean has uh salt water has this thing where it will use CO2 to make carbonic acid to break down calcium, and it breaks down calcium in a way that it now is kind of like dissolved into the water column, and then other uh coral-forming things will absorb it and make new reefs and and stuff like that. So the eventually the the calcium would have eventually the bones would have eventually just broken down, yeah, disintegrated or whatever, and it's been over a hundred years and so yeah. The ocean does a pretty good job recycling whatever's left down there.

Kara 1:41:37

Pretty incredible ecosystem. Give it credit.

Ed 1:41:40

Yeah.

Kara 1:41:41

So anyway, that's the Titanic.

Ed 1:41:44

Yeah, that was a that was a process.

Kara 1:41:48

It sure was.

Ed 1:41:50

So yeah, um, we'll try to get this one out. Um, it's funny because we're recording this one, and then we still need to record Vietnam Part 2. We'll try to get that out uh as fast as possible. So um, yeah, we hope you like it and encourage you to uh spread the word, go find friends, grab their phones, just take your parents' phones, you know, subscribe to it. Don't be afraid to be the one in the carpool, like to bring it up, uh especially like an episode like this where it's full of conspiracy theories, because the nice thing about conspiracy theories is that it does a great job really bonding people together. They are funny, especially of uh different political and scientific beliefs, like conspiracy theories really just unite the world. Doesn't doesn't divide at all, doesn't yeah, doesn't get people heated or angry or or whatnot. That's one of the reasons why like I won't touch the moon landing, just because I know people that are avidly against the idea that man walked on the moon, and it's just like oh people. Okay, okay. So yeah, uh feel free to spread the word. Check us out on Instagram and uh check out our website, uh thedaysdumpsterfire.com. And um, yeah, feel free to spread the word. And do you have anything coming up other than Vietnam Part 2?

Kara 1:43:32

Um as of right now, that's the one that I have completed. I'll be working on another one here pretty soon that I'll tell you guys about when I want to. Otherwise, that's all I've got. Remember, you can contact us at thedaysdumpsterfire at gmail.com. We also have a website that I desperately need to update. I know, that's fine. Give me some slack. Uh, we do have an Instagram as well at The Day's Dumpster Fire. And if you want to shoot us a text message, I guess you can. I'm still trying to figure out how to give you that phone number because I don't know.

Ed 1:44:04

It's not a phone number, it's a link. Oh. So it's in the show notes. You click on that link, and then it you can basically write your message and hit send. And it doesn't go to our cell phones, it goes to like a text message inbox. Got it. On our on our provider. Got it. So that that's how we see it. It's not like you put in a phone number, it's you just click on the link and then you can send us a message, or you can just email us.

Kara 1:44:32

Yep. That's all I got.

Ed 1:44:34

All right. Cool. Well, good stuff. Until the next time, keep it a hot mess. Hi.