SPEAKER_03

Hey everybody, this is Kara.

SPEAKER_04

It's Dasha.

Ed

And this is it.

SPEAKER_03

And this is your day's dumpster fire.

Ed

Yeah. Where we don't celebrate humanity's successes, but it's most fantastic failures.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, am I supposed to say that? I'm so sorry. Somebody was, but it's most fantastic failures.

Ed

Don't don't feel bad, Deja. Our last one was like that too, where it like. I think we're known all over the world. Make sure you look at the script, and I'm like, uh, I think we're just known all over the world for having like the worst intros known to mankind.

SPEAKER_03

You're welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Happy 50th episode.

Ed

Oh yeah. This this is gonna be this is gonna be uh an episode of all episodes. It is like stupid late at night. We're all tired, and we are have we have like no script, we have no outline, we have no plan on what we're doing, other than maybe taking a look back at some episodes that stood out to us in the past, and maybe something that we have learned after covering 50 historical dumpster fires. So that's pretty much it. That is all the outline that I have. Um, so should we just start a the pilot episode and just take it episode by episode all the way up until 50?

SPEAKER_02

Why that's so much structure, and it's too much. What are you? A teacher?

Ed

We've got like we got like a 50, 60 hour long episode just on a rehash of everything that we have done in the past couple years.

SPEAKER_03

All of it. Just can you imagine? No, oh I wouldn't do I didn't I wouldn't do very well.

Ed

Not to mention like the amount of bandwidth money that I have to put into uploading 50, 60 hours worth of content to our bandwidth my brain would need in order to remember all of these things.

SPEAKER_04

Too much.

Ed

Yeah, it's it's too much. That's a lot. So however, but yeah, let's I say we dive straight into it. I I know I know this show has kind of like altered my life a little bit or changed my perspectives on a great deal of things. So like I've got a few episodes picked out. Uh Kara, did you want to start? I know Deja, you're I know you're fully prepared. You've you've got it all figured out.

SPEAKER_03

She's ready. Um Yep. And if you're not one of us. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Uh let's start. Let's start with this. Yeah, you guys, you guys. What was your guys' what was your guys' favorite episode to research? To research. Hmm.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I've only researched a couple, so and I'm gonna let you think on it. My favorite one to research was definitely researching Fergie. That was a lot of fun.

Ed

I like that.

SPEAKER_04

That one was a lot of fun. I enjoyed that music episode where all three of us had different music stories. Yeah, that one was fun. Yeah, we just talked about Furby as a whole.

Ed

Yeah. Well, and we'll we'll put these episode numbers in and the titles in the show notes, um, so that it like you can click on them and and you can hear why we we thought this was the most fantastic piece of auditory um listening that you've ever experienced in your life.

SPEAKER_03

Um that was episode 25. It was enjoyable for me to research, especially considering that I got to listen to the worst song ever made like 6,000 times. And it was so enjoyable, even though it was supposed to be the worst song, that I shared it with the class and they loved it.

Ed

Was it kids singing like a Christmas hymn to Labor Day or something like that?

SPEAKER_03

Like to many holidays, many, yeah, many different holidays.

Ed

Yeah, it starts off with like a cowboy hip-hop thing and hip-hop opera. That's right.

SPEAKER_03

With some cowboy um beats to it. I think there was an accordion in there. It's good, it's good, yeah. Yeah, that was good.

Ed

That was like the uh the one episode that it it it was intended to be like the people who created it, like the music they were focused on making a hot mess of a song. And they that that guy did it. We still need to get him on the show.

SPEAKER_04

It ended up being a hot song, yeah.

Ed

Yes, yep, that's great.

SPEAKER_03

That's what happens when social scientists create music.

Ed

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_04

Um the worst song ever made.

SPEAKER_03

And supposedly the best, but the worst song was better than the best song, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Agreed. Anyway, I know do your shopping at Wolfgang.

SPEAKER_03

Please go listen to it. Yeah, the song. I mean, listen to 25 too, but go listen to the song.

Ed

Yeah, that one's that was that one was yeah, that's definitely a a good one because we all had to research on that one. Uh for me, the episode that that really kind of like, wait, is this actually a thing? Was the molasses flood, the 1919 molasses flood. And basically, yeah, that was that was episode, what is that, uh, number 14. And the reason why this one was so much fun to research is because you've all heard of the phrase like slower than molasses on a January day, like that very Midwestern term, like, hey, this something can't possibly move this slow. But what the nerd in me when I discovered this property was just like apparently when you put molasses under pressure, it gets thinner. Kind of like the whole cornstarch and water thing, right? You you make this oob like and you hit it, and it's like rock hard, and then your hand sinks into it. But with molasses, it's the exact opposite. If you put pressure on it, it thins out, and that's why there was like a 30-foot-tall tsunami of molasses that like tragically drowned a bunch of people. And but I I was just I when I discovered that doing the research, I'm like, I had no idea that was a thing.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that's pretty crazy. There's nothing more. There's there's two things I really do not like in this world, and it's molasses and ooblek.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, that's remember when we remember when we did summer camp that first year and you had to make ublek by yourself. You were so mad I had to leave.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, I was so angry. I hate ooblek, and you know, it's definitely the trauma of early childhood for me. Um, it's always like Dr. Seuss Day, you make Ublek. I couldn't I and Molasses. The beginning of every single year in Upper Elementary, we talk about the story of the universe, and a big part of the story of the universe is talking about the different states of matter and talks about density, and you have to get a good old waft of molasses, it's really gross. It's not that you're wafting molasses, it's just you have to pour it into a tube and you smell it, and I hate that.

Ed

Yep, yeah. It's like too sweet.

SPEAKER_03

Can you imagine gallons and gallons and gallons of it flooding the streets?

Ed

Millions of gallons of it.

SPEAKER_03

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_04

Disgusting.

Ed

What I hate it, I hate it so much. And I love how they uh the manufacturer of that giant tank, uh, they're like, Well, this thing is so shoddily put together and it's leaking at every rivet. Let's just paint the whole tank brown, therefore, it won't look like it's leaking anymore because this thing's just waiting to explode. And that's the solution. Paint. And it was so popular amongst kids because it was next to a playground of all places. Like, kids would come out of school and they would stop by the tank and pick up like dried up molasses because that's like a you know, a 1919 version of a Jolly Rancher to these to these kids, and it's just like, how okay, all right, hey, 1919, you do you. I'm not gonna judge. But that was that was the episode that really stood out to me. It was just like, wow, the more I dug into this, the the crazier it got.

SPEAKER_03

Fun fact about me, researching is one of my all-time favorite things to do. Really? Didn't know so all of them, but oh no, no, come on. My favorite, yeah, my favorite. I don't have a favorite. I I have like a top three though, that are all equal. Go for it. Uh Roan Oak was super fun to read about. I think just the time period I really enjoy, plus Piracy, Queen Elizabeth First. Can't beat it. It was great. I really enjoyed it. Uh, the Vietnam War was probably my favorite one to research just because that's um the time period that I spent a lot of time in researching for for college. And I love it, and I'm very passionate about that particular piece of American history. And Henry VIII is always a good time.

Ed

Yeah, you can't go wrong with can't go wrong with Henry VIII.

SPEAKER_03

And I'm I'm I'm looking through these, and my first episode was Emu Emu Wars, right? And I'm going up and they get bigger and bigger. Yeah, like my topics, they get more and more complex and more and more complex. So you can you can see my confidence going up and up and up as we go. It's kind of funny. I'm just not noticing that.

Ed

Yeah, we all kind of did that because like email wars was 52 minutes, and then my gliply fire, that was an hour and 15. Then we've got an hour eight, hour, hour four, and then like we start getting up into episodes like 10 and above, and now they're like an hour and 36 minutes, an hour and 21, hour and 36, hour 56, like two parts, some three parts. Yeah, the multi-parters are a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, those are fun.

Ed

Uh, they they really not only do you have to what figure out what the whole like flow of the story is gonna be, but then how do you break it up? And then how do you like it's it's like a JK rolling, you know, seven Harry Potter books. How do you make it all converge and make sense at the end?

SPEAKER_03

Make it make sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, what is all of this for?

SPEAKER_03

Why are we doing this?

SPEAKER_04

Yep, why are we doing this? Yeah, I definitely think that I had a really hard time with um Salmon Rushdie. That one was really hard for me just because I wanted to make sure that one the information was accurate because it's a lot of information. There's a lot of moving pieces, and I feel like I didn't even hit every aspect of it. That I that you can go into so many different avenues, so many paths within the story, and it'll take you to another fire over here. Yeah, that's that we gotta deal with, you know, and so the iceberg effect.

SPEAKER_03

That's what happened when I did Hindenburg.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's just you know it's just one thing after another, but and there's like these bunches of different snowballs that are just rolling in different directions, but getting bigger as they roll. Yes, it's about time, you know. But I also think that it was the most impactful for me, you know. I think it was the one I was most passionate about just because I I not I not only do I find cultural um cultural differences within a culture very fascinating, like you have this, yeah, you know, you have these, you have Muslims, you know, and you have this divide, and I find that that divide very interesting and how how the the relationship acts within, but also um it was very funny in some ways because there were a lot of really funny things that kind of brightened the really bad things going on, yeah.

Ed

The thing that that that stood out to me about the the Salem and Rushdie is was just like what you said, the the the cultural differences, because my best friend in high school was Muslim, and here I am Christian, and we obviously look at the same time periods in history vastly differently, as I just use two adverbs in a row. Um but we look at we look at things like here we go. Um we yeah, we see things so differently, but yet we are so aligned on so many things, and that's why like Salman Rushdie is I I he would be a guy that I just want to sit down with for an afternoon and just talk to because the stuff that he brought up like a cave, probably, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some were undisclosed, um, just for all of our safeties. But but yeah, it's the other thing too is just like how much impact one book had on the world. Like every country had to sit down and think, okay, do we want this book in our libraries, in our bookstores? Like everybody had to sit down and and discuss that. And it's not like Rushdie was trying to be super political, he wasn't trying to start a movement or criticize, he was just trying to write a different story, yeah. And the whole world just just imploded over it. That was the thing that I I loved about it. Yeah, the reaction was I mean, it made me go back and read it. Yeah, what is it? Fatora.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, you wonder what what yeah, you wonder, okay, the reaction is so insane. What, why, why? You know, what is in this book that is so offensive, you know, yeah, just so out of this world that people are cutting people's heads off for it, you know.

Ed

Well, and it and it it completely digresses from the original really, really offensive books, like you know, stuff written by Mark Twain. Oh my god, it says the N-word a whole bunch of times in it. Yeah, that's because the people that are saying it, he's portraying them as a bunch of ignorant racist pieces of crap. That's what Twain was trying to do was show that the people that are racist and say the N-word all the time are pieces of crap. Whereas Solman didn't do that, he wasn't trying to piss off the entire world. But boy, did he ever do it.

SPEAKER_04

I I th I think it was something that he knew would possibly probably stir up some tension, but I don't like ruffling two feathers. I think he knew that he was ruffling up some feathers, but I I don't think that he knew to what magnitude he was ruffling those feathers. Like, is that chicken gonna have any more feathers left? I don't know. You know, because yeah, I just yeah, I think there's so there's so much within it that is really fascinating, and it's celebrities got involved. You've got p you know political figures and diplomatic ties that you know it's crazy. It is, yeah. From the novel.

SPEAKER_03

If you could if you could pick like one or two lessons from that, what would you say it would be?

Ed

Out of out of the Salman Rushdie episodes, or just out of like what we've for for Deja's Salman Rushdie.

SPEAKER_04

Three of them. I think the first one is You can just pick one or two. Don't write a book like that. Just don't write anything near, don't take nothing, go far away from there. Um personally, someone else, I need other people to to push that line. We need those people to push the line, otherwise we don't we don't have the ability to fight for morality, I guess, is is a thing. Like we have to have bad things, and it's going to happen. We have to find a way to use, you know, it's just like we're doing right now. I need to find something I'm taking away from it. What's something I can learn from it, you know? But uh yeah, not writing a book like this because I think I'm not the one who wants to ruffle feathers.

Ed

You don't have a desire to get stabbed in the eye?

SPEAKER_04

I don't know. I don't. I do not actually at all firmly. You don't want to be a pirate? I didn't say I don't want to be a pirate. I said I don't want to be stabbed in the eye.

Ed

I want both my eyes and both my legs, please. And I'm okay being a pirate.

SPEAKER_04

I yeah. Arig she blow, but take keep my eye. Um but no, I think that my biggest, my huge, my biggest takeaway from this is just having the freedom to um say the things that you want to say, but also knowing how to say those things respectfully. And that I don't think that that is necessarily like to one single person or to a mass of people. Um, I think in general, you know, you need to be respectful in every situation that you're in. It's the it it, you know, it's the way that you should want to work, you know, and other people aren't always going to take that. But you I don't know, I just consideration. I don't know. I think it's such a I don't know. I think he had a little bit of feeling, and that kind of gets to me a little bit, you know. I feel like if you if you have an idea that this could really cause a lot of harm, then maybe not doing it. But at the same time, I'm like, we need people to do those things because we need to be able to say the stuff that we want to say. Beep, beep, the stuff that we want to say. No, all the titties talk speaking of freedom of speech. No, I'm just kidding. Um, yeah, it's really it's a double-edged sword because I think we should be able to say the things that we want to say, and I think that we should fight for those for that right, you know. But I also find it very frustrating when people can do that. I find it frustrating when people put play devil's advocate, you know, and because you are actually harming in in some way, you're in intentionally frustrating in some way, you know. If you knew that this is gonna probably do something, then your intention's a little weird, you know. That's that's one thing, but I also appreciate his writing ability and what he does stand for. So it's yeah, it's kind of hard.

Ed

I feel like you're looking straight at me, Deja, when you said the the thing about Devil's Advocate, because that is like the that's my hate when people play devil's advocate, Ed. That is my go-to method of teaching for a lot of a lot of things. Is it's like I'm not trying to piss you off, I'm just trying to show you the other side and that it works better for you know 12-year-olds.

SPEAKER_04

I think well, I think that there's as a natural empath for me, I can naturally feel like I can see the other side. So I feel like Devold's advocate for someone like me doesn't really work because I already feel like I'm trying to walk in their shoes. I'm already thinking as if you know, I'm feeling for them. That's what an empath does. So it's really hard when someone does push those, it makes me feel anxious. I'm like, uh, uh, uh, you know. So So yeah, I don't know. It's yeah, yeah.

Ed

Yeah, I guess my thing is I've always yeah, I've I've I've always just taken that line from to kill a mockingbird of walking a mile in somebody else's shoes, which is kind of like the thesis statement for the whole entire book. And uh that that's like something that I've always held on to, not always fully understanding that there's people that just naturally do that.

SPEAKER_03

I'm also one of those people too. Like I can naturally easily see all the sides, the big picture, this person's view versus that person's view. It's really easy for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And I think for but I don't think yeah, and like I that's the thing is I also yeah, I completely understand why someone's like, well, this someone needs to push these lines, otherwise, like what's ever gonna change, you know, that needs to be done. I'm not that person to do it, but someone needs to do it, you know?

Ed

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But I think that um I also, me personally, and maybe Kara, even though I don't side with any extremist, I can understand the upset that when reading this novel, if you have a deep sense of of belief in this, in this religion, in this, in this faith, that you know, that would naturally upset me if someone, you know, people upset me all the time. I feel like that would naturally just upset me, you know.

Ed

Yeah, especially if you have an obligation to that to that faith. It's something that that hey, you've you you've gotta act on that. And a life while in the topic, yes, and uh on the topic of perspectives, I kind of want to do a shout-out for episode 34. Uh that is the one that I did with my daughter, and uh that one because she um she had an eating disorder issue that she went to a hospital for, got treatment for it, and and and now she's doing pretty good. I've had many, many, many people say that they I've had some parents tell me as well as some uh some girls, like, oh, this was this was an interesting perspective to get on somebody who's actually going through this. And it was kind of an eye-opener for me because yeah, I I mean I've been working with her and all that kind of stuff, but to actually have her tell her story her way, where I actually got to walk that mile in her shoes, it's not every day that a parent gets to learn so much from their own children.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that was probably a really cool experience. I I applaud you for that, honestly.

Ed

You know, not me. That's my daughter, she's the one.

SPEAKER_03

Well, like sitting down and listening and letting her do that, giving her the platform.

SPEAKER_04

100%. I think as someone who struggled with mental health as a teenager, and you know, I I felt like I was so alone, and I felt like you know, I felt like no one was really listening, no one really truly understood or could relate, you know. I I hid away for so much. And for you to recognize that, you know, these are things that she's struggling with as a human. And not only, you know, do I want to help her, but if she wants to talk about it, if she wants to educate others on X, Y, and Z, I want to help her and support her spread her word, you know. I think that's really important as a parent.

Ed

Well, and then and I wanted her to have that platform, and she took it and ran with it. It was absolutely it, yeah, it was a it was a really, really cool experience, kind of like our um our uh episode 49, where we had um that Holocaust survivor Charlotte come aboard and and talk to our class and all that stuff about her experiences being in hiding and whatnot. And it's just one of those things, it's just like these kids, and and I hate to word it that way, these kids, but our students, they're that that is the last generation that is ever going to be able to talk to somebody who has experienced that particular event, and they got to see her perspective through it all, and what she was feeling through it all, and how very similar the anxieties that Charlotte had are very similar to what a 12-year-old girl is going through. Like you you could have you could have a a 12-year-old whose parents are getting divorced, and she doesn't know what's gonna happen, neither did Charlotte. She had no idea what was gonna happen as a result, and and that that was an eye-opening experience for a lot of these kids to be able to be like, oh, hmm, maybe I'm not gonna tell my parents that I hate them when I get mad at them because they shut off the Xbox from Fortnite for the night. Like I feel like a lot of them were like, Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04

Um I'm a little grateful now.

Ed

Yeah, yeah. And well, and and I think that's kind of what I like about this show. I I feel like the three of us have very uh different perspectives, but we try to arrange it so that the listener, the audience, can take something from it. You can take away, like I know a lot of my stuff tends to be more science-y, more engineering-y, more technology. Um whereas like Kara's very much into the history and the nitty-gritty of historical events, and then Deja, you're more into like the music and the culture and the pop culture and all that. I I just find it fascinating that somebody who is a pop culture person can listen to Kara's episode on Roanoke and take something from that. Or I there could be somebody, I know I I have uh one uh one person in our audience, he is just like all about the math and the science, but then he was like a huge fan of the music episode because he was able to take something from it, and I and I think that's what I I kind of want to have as a goal for the show is to be like, hey, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna talk about these wild and crazy, and just like I'm working on an episode about the Panama Canal and like what were the French thinking in in the 1880s, but like I I want it so that yes, you can hear this crazy story, but um you can pull something out of it that that can help you out, if that makes sense. Help build your morality, uh yeah, especially like Caligula on fire.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, that poor dude.

Ed

Episode 30.

SPEAKER_04

Oh I was skimming over the episodes and I saw Caligula and I was like, is that in the throat? And I was like, Nope, that's little boots. That's it. That's it. Whoa, what was Caligula? It's uh it just reminds me of like a like something in your esophagus. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Sorry, we're never having a sports accident. Just be grateful you didn't go crazy.

Ed

I was just thinking of that 1977 movie.

SPEAKER_03

No, it's not a don't don't do that, don't do that, don't ever mention it again.

Ed

Uh if we ever do like an adult version of this show, that would be a good movie to talk about because it's so unbelievably adult and stupid at the same time.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know if I would want to waste three hours of my time watching it.

SPEAKER_04

I agree. Also, I feel like Kara, maybe you have some heavy feelings on this, but um, 1984, the movie from the 70s. Uh-huh. It's enough. Yeah, it's enough for me, dog.

SPEAKER_03

It's a bit for me too, bro. I know it's very of its time. Um, and you can really feel the 70s of it. I will say that I do appreciate at the same time. Okay. It's not great, but and also yes, and I do have an appreciation for films. This is this is a film nerve talking, for films out of the 70s because they were so non-abashedly unafraid to push boundaries. Oh, I 100% agree. I do kind of appreciate that film for that reason, but also it wasn't great.

SPEAKER_04

I'm really happy that you appreciate that film.

SPEAKER_03

I can appreciate it for what it is, it's and also it does not do my favorite novel justice, but the film side of me is like, I can appreciate it for what it is.

SPEAKER_04

No, I I I can I can completely understand that. It's like Star Wars, you know, it's like a new hope is it's amazing for its time. It's amazing for its time. They really they really did what they what they they really pushed a lot of limits, and but now looking back at it, you're like nice string, you know. Like the pitching wire, right? So yeah, look at that.

Ed

So like oh wow, a test star explodes like a fireball in space, like cool. Yeah, no, I I that I I I totally get, and I feel like when we were looking at movies in the 70s and going in the 80s, the technology was kinda coming around where they could do things with like bigger scope and bigger world building and stuff like that. And they were really, really, really handicapped of like their their ability to tell the story was kind of handicapped based on how can they visually show this.

SPEAKER_03

Can I also say though, that if it's done right and it's done well, practical effects are way better than CGI, and it ages way better.

Ed

Yep, period. That's what like um uh Breakfast Club. Oh that that movie applies to any generation to anybody who's going through hype. Yep. And I was thinking about the fly.

SPEAKER_03

We went in very different directions.

Ed

Oh, yeah, I know the fly. Yeah. Yeah, that's that yes, uh, that that would be that that's the prime example. Um, we need to do some episodes on like we really gotta do some movies on or movies, some episodes on movies that just absolutely flopped, like Waterworld.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, we gotta do that.

Ed

I liked Waterworld. It was a good movie, but it I think it made like negative dollars in the theater, like it was like Kevin Costner riding off the heels of um uh dances with wolves, and boy, did he not come through on on that movie. But I I don't know, I thought it was good, but we should do more movies.

SPEAKER_03

I agree.

Ed

Not Caligula, though.

SPEAKER_03

No, not Clicula, nor Twilight. No, I mean you could do the research for Twilight without watching it, or if you want to watch it, just laugh at it.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, I might watch it, I might watch it just to one get aggressively angry at the wigs again, two the wigs, man. It's uh all the time, every time.

Ed

Uh great, love it. Um, what about the episodes that that kind of like infuriated you because there was ignorance going on that the higher-ups were aware of like this is not going according to plan, but we're just gonna keep covering it up and covering it up and covering it up.

SPEAKER_03

Mine's the um I love the smell of lead.

Ed

Oh, yeah. That one's pretty rough.

SPEAKER_04

That one popped up in my brain, too.

Ed

Yeah, the lead and gasoline. And and I do know that I I really want to do an episode on the uh radium girls.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, we've been talking about that for a long time.

Ed

And and and that one I'm just trying to juggle how do I want to word this? How do I want to do it right? Because the owners of this factory purposely hired scientists to lie to these women, and then when they had teeth falling out of their head and their jaws are breaking in half, and one lady had a cancerous tumor on her hip bone so bad she could barely walk, and then these guys basically said, Sorry, what problems? What this is all in your head, and so like, yes, we've got the radium thing, and I and I can give a a degree of understanding that the effects of radium weren't well researched, but the fact that they knew that they knew that there's a connection between these women suffering and and this radium, and then they just gaslit them afterwards, and they and they succeeded. They got like a majority for a long time, they got the majority of the public thinking that oh they're just young girls, they're just they're just doing young girl things, and that's kind of how I want to be able to tell that story. I just don't know how to do it and not come across as some patronizing old fat man.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I don't know if anything you do is gonna change that, but what I can't say with love.

Ed

Um it's kind of like telling the story of like what happened to Native Americans in early American history, like as an American, yeah. Yeah, as as a white, fat, middle-aged American. Like, I know Karen and I, we've been mentioned it a couple of times.

SPEAKER_04

Like, we we have to have like a Native American professor like come in and tell the story because I I just I have a good idea um that maybe we can chat about, but in North Dakota, there's obviously a lot of Native American um museums. There's a lot of indigenous people included in a lot of their museums, no matter where you are in North Dakota. It's very big out there. Um, dinosaurs and indigenous tribes. Um and so I think if I could try and find a connection to to um someone, that would be really that'd be really cool.

Ed

That would be that would be a fascinating conversation.

SPEAKER_04

It'd be really cool. Yeah, that's a that's a thought we can chat about later.

SPEAKER_03

But yeah, we'll workshop that. I like that. How about how about one where you face palmed the most?

Ed

Oh I I I know this one. I know it too. Oh wait, I can guess I can guess what's gonna come into your guys' minds. I because I I kept counting.

SPEAKER_04

What do you think is in my head?

Ed

The Tory Canyon.

SPEAKER_03

That's the one that I thought of too immediately.

Ed

I didn't remember going through this because I did the same thing when I was researching it. I'm like, oh god, what are they doing? And it's just like, oh, and then they tried bombing it, and then they tried firebombing it, and then they but wait, it gets worse.

SPEAKER_02

Wait, there's more, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I I think I had a bruise on my forehead for two weeks for the amount of times I smacked my head onto my table or the palm of my hand. Pretty sure my temples were red.

Ed

Yeah.

unknown

Yeah.

Ed

It's the only time we've ever done a recording where you're just like, can we just end this now? You're like, you know what, it's really late.

SPEAKER_03

Purposefully yawning, like, oh yeah. Uh-huh. Oh my gosh, we started this at like eight o'clock.

SPEAKER_04

That's the line.

Ed

Right. Well, I think the Salem Mush Trials was another example of that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Oh man. I wish it could have been over that one, yeah.

Ed

Well, it's just like, yeah, what are we actually human beings that are making these decisions and drawing these conclusions? Yes, Ed, we are.

SPEAKER_04

We actually are, Ed. The one and only.

Ed

Yeah, that that's a that that that was I I would say that's uh another heavily uh um face palmy one. And then the China's gunpowder firing fireworks fire.

SPEAKER_04

I was just about to say that. I was that was so dumb. I'm so dumb. I was gonna say, how many ways can many different ways can we explode someone?

SPEAKER_03

How many different ways can we try to make a human fly?

Ed

Yeah, like I don't know, man. That was that was a wild one. Uh I think uh uh Mythbusters tested that one.

SPEAKER_03

Lesson learned test that one. Lesson learned from that one. Experiment with a dummy before yourself.

Ed

Yeah, experiment with a dummy before you throw your emperor on it.

SPEAKER_04

Do you guys remember that guy that strapped his lawn chair to all those balloons so that he could oh it was like so that he could oh there was something he wanted to get out of, but he literally was just like he just went all the way up in his lawn chair and was up there for I don't know how long. He ended up, I think he ended up getting like a really big fine for air air when he used violation or whatever. Yeah, he had a baby gun.

Ed

That was that was like Mythbuster's like first or second season. That was that would be a good one. Like of just like well, we've got Marv's big bulldozer of destruction.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my gosh.

Ed

Guy tries to take out an entire town just with a bulldozer.

SPEAKER_05

Um was to die.

Ed

I'm trying to think what which one do you think was the funniest episode?

SPEAKER_03

The music one.

Ed

Yeah, it's the music one.

SPEAKER_04

Uh we also did I think King was it Ferdinand? I can't remember if it was Ferdinand. King Louis King Louis. That was the one. Ferdinand is uh World War One.

Ed

Yep.

SPEAKER_03

We had a good time with the first part, the first part of King Louie.

Ed

Yep.

SPEAKER_03

Where I could not pronounce the word tithe for the life of me because I've only ever read it, I've never actually heard it said out loud. Somebody didn't get baptized.

Ed

Yeah, we can tell Kara's a part of the clergy.

SPEAKER_04

Outed. Someone's not saved.

Ed

It's fine. And it was and it it helped to excite. I I just got that mixer, and then I'm like, oh wait, let's play with the uh the sensor button. Beep. And so then like I'm just censoring. Look at all those beeps, beeps, all those tithies.

SPEAKER_04

That was a good one. I enjoyed it, and we also got to be together, and I think that it's so fun when we're together.

Ed

Yeah, we need to do it again. We just gotta stop living like 120 miles away from each other.

SPEAKER_03

It's technically my fault. Um I don't know if we don't know about that.

Ed

Yeah, I think you're kind of out there first.

SPEAKER_04

I think I'm there's no one to blame here. We all have our moments and we're a team.

Ed

Well, you and I we're we're closer now, aren't we?

SPEAKER_04

Yes, we're much closer. See?

Ed

Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, yeah. So fine. But I have children, so it's that's true. Yeah, like by by default, my toddler makes it my fault.

Ed

Well, I yeah, it's yeah, it's always a really kind of weird moment. You're like, Oh, I gotta put the spawn down. Like, really? Okay, I've never I didn't know you you were a fish, but is a spawn.

SPEAKER_04

He is my little spawn.

Ed

Technically speaking, yes.

SPEAKER_03

I know. Technically, I know that. Okay, in the future, what is an episode? I know Ed already answered this. What is an episode that you really, really, really want to do? Oh gosh, there's a couple that I've brought.

SPEAKER_04

Up, and there's a couple that I've thought about or have heard of, and I'm just like, they're very true crime, so they are a little bit heavier. Some of them one of them is really bad. It's so funny, though. It's really bad. Um, but it's really funny, it's kind of sad, but it's really funny at the same time. Um, however, everything else is a little bit rough. So are you gonna say what it is, or are you gonna well? I'm trying, I'm trying to decide. Oh, okay. I don't think I'm gonna tell you what like one or two of them because I just recently and I'm not gonna surprise, I always tell you guys what I'm gonna do. I always end up telling you. It's okay. So let me just surprise you for once. Dang it. Sorry, sorry. I'm just kidding. No, um, you know the Lego one, the Lego Oh yeah, that's a sick one failure where Norway and Sweden are getting, or no, it was like England and Sweden are getting Legos washed up on shore because a boat just yeah, it's a whole thing with it's a little it's a whole Lego mess. It's great.

Ed

I I've never heard of that.

SPEAKER_04

You are obviously under a rock.

Ed

Uh yeah, because I've got thousands of dollars worth of Legos in my house. I would have somebody would have found them all if you're walking barefoot on the beach. I mean, that's true. That's like every parent would have found it.

SPEAKER_04

I wonder how. Just like a whole parade of people just saying ow collectively, dancing around, catching their only the parents, though.

Ed

Like the kids are just like pull them out of their nose and their ears, just I got this Lego for you.

SPEAKER_00

Do you want to play with Legos for me? I found it on the floor.

SPEAKER_04

And then you then you step out of your lawn chair like I just it's really funny, and as someone who has literally thousands of dollars of Legos stashed away.

Ed

Let's record that one tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04

There's one about a head, it's kind of spooky. I like spooky, just a random head.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, no, it can't be belonged to someone person.

SPEAKER_04

Oh yes. Trying to think if I've it was I don't feel like maybe, I don't know, maybe you have, maybe you haven't, maybe it's new, maybe it's not, but it's really funny, it's very fascinating, it's very cool. You have to be open-minded because it is a paranormally kind of um story. I I don't know if you're picking up what I'm putting down, Ed, but okay, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Ed

That would be a good one. Or any any crime. I feel like I really want to venture. Well, I I I think any crime where like the police has botched it up. Like there's so many true crime cases where the police just just drop the ball on on day one. And like, oh, what was the one where oh go ahead?

SPEAKER_04

No. What one are we talking about?

Ed

Oh, I was thinking of the one where the uh guy killed his mother and stuffed her in that chest freezer in the garage, and then they brought the chest freezer into the police station, and they never opened it until and they never plugged it in until like a week or two later, they were like, Where's that smell coming from? And this chest freezer was sitting in the evidence room for like two weeks with this dude's dead grandmother in it, or mother, or something like that. And then they're like, Oh, maybe we should open up the chest freezer, and then here we are, a cubed human playing in there, a dead body.

SPEAKER_04

My goodness.

Ed

Yeah, I gotta find the details on it.

SPEAKER_04

That one is like guys, you do, because that's that sounds fascinating. It's very um Ed Gean, very Norman Norman Bates, yeah. Where's his what's where's his mom's Edgean's mom is just like I she was a bit much. She was really she yeah, so she she was like super um overbearing, like very protective, but very awful to him, very abusive, and so it it gave him like this really unhealthy relationship with her.

Ed

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, we can talk about skin lamps and nipple belts later. Woo!

Ed

Or the vest that that she made of the chair, uh, yeah, the chair, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, there's so much in true crime. I feel like I absorb so much true crime and like spooky stuff because it's very just my pastime. And I want to bring that to the show, you know. Give a little if if you're up for a little spook, you have the option, right? Please do. I love that stuff. Little spooky girl.

Ed

And then they turn a corner and then they're like, oh god, and then they go to the next room, like, oh god.

SPEAKER_04

How many times do you think they weren't able to say oh god?

Ed

I remember listening uh to a podcast about that, and I'm I'm just driving in my car and I was doing the same thing. I'm like, oh, oh dear. Like uh, like, oh, I don't like that.

SPEAKER_04

It's like I've I've every time there's like a head and a pot. I'm like, oh, and we went there.

SPEAKER_03

Fun fact Texas Chainsaw Massacre was inspired by that whole thing.

Ed

Very it sure was very loosely based.

SPEAKER_04

Hotel, Norman Bates. There's a lot of them that are a lot of things that people don't really realize, even in books and stuff like that, are based off like loosely based off of Ed Gean's case. Yeah, his anti shenanigans.

unknown

Yeah.

Ed

His hobbies.

SPEAKER_04

If that's what you want to call it.

Ed

Yeah, hobby hobby.

SPEAKER_04

That's too cute of a name. You can't call those hobbies. Hobbies are cute. Hobbies are for like like knitting and like making little trinkets out of clay and epoxy and not nipples, belts, and lamps made of skin.

SPEAKER_03

Well, now I know what Deja's ready to bring to the table.

Ed

Yeah, that Deja's gonna bring this to the next level. What about you, Kara?

SPEAKER_03

I'm gonna try to keep it kid friendly. Appreciate it. It's good. It's good. Um, for me, I have I'm actually starting research on one, but I'm gonna keep that under wraps for now. Welcome. Otherwise, there's a few I want to do. There's the one where um a war was started over a pig. Um there's also the one that was started over a bucket. So like war started over really stupid things. Um, but there's obviously like background and historical context as to why, but it's a fun time. Right. Um so there's that. I I I kind of want to do like a film one or something with cowboys. This is this is my process. I'm like, I kind of want to be in this era, or I want to be in this space, and then I go and look for a fire. So it's not like because I've done all the big fires, I've already wanted done. Now I have to do research for my research, which I love. So it's enjoyable for me.

SPEAKER_04

I like the way that you process your research, like when you're on a research. You're like, oh, so what time frame do I want to be in? Yeah, I want to be, you know. I love that.

SPEAKER_03

I'm feeling like a cowboy today, so I'm gonna go find something.

Ed

Cowboy's got like a dartboard. Getting on up, partner. She's got a dartboard with this a whole of a giant timeline. Just boom, all right. Yeah, that's what I should get.

SPEAKER_04

I should get like a giant timeline. I pictured her having this like circle, like ring type thing that she lifts up in the air, and it has these drapes that come down, and then she goes inside and it's like a little dressing thing, instant dresser thingy thing that picks out her clothes, and which she steps out, and that that's the time era that she's in. So, like very like Victorian, like that's the era that she's going.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, Victorian, that'd be kind of fun too.

Ed

Yeah, Victorian customs and oh gosh.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I have an idea. I could do I could do like some PT Barnum action.

Ed

Oh, yeah. Or just like the weird customs that came out of that time period of what was considered modest or what was considered polite, or like or what was considered attractive, or yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I have um I have some very strong opinions when it comes to the Victorian era, so I do have to be careful, but there are some things that I can pick out of there that'd be really fun.

SPEAKER_04

Sometimes it's the it's whoa, sometimes it's fun to see you sweat. So maybe I'll ask you like tricky questions so that I can push the line.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

Ed

She will dog my opinion.

SPEAKER_03

Oh crap. We'll note it. We'll note it for later because I am in the process of researching one already, but yeah, it's fun.

Ed

And then I want to do an episode where um I want to talk more about cluges, and a cluge is where a system of something fails, but there's nobody around that knows how to fix it because it is so complicated and so antiquated. Like there was that airport that like the education system, uh, yes. Um Kara's just like, I'm not saying anything. Um, but there was like that one case where the uh an airport, I want to say it was in Texas, had to shut down because their flight tracking software was built in the 70s and it was like 30 years outdated, and the original guy that knew how to fix the problem had long since died, and nobody knew how to fix this thing. I kind of want to do something in that that realm where the the solution to the problem is not as simple and nobody's around to figure it out.

SPEAKER_03

So for my history nerds, it's like when a king dies and he doesn't have a successor. Oh, yeah, it just goes boom.

SPEAKER_05

Wait, but wait a minute.

SPEAKER_03

What do you mean?

Ed

There's actually there's a lot of like the Rose Wars and how that all started.

SPEAKER_03

I actually thought about doing an episode on the War of the Roses.

Ed

That would be a good one.

SPEAKER_03

That'd be a long one. I would make it way too complicated. That's why I haven't done it yet.

Ed

Yeah, there's a lot to that one.

SPEAKER_03

Uh yeah. I could I could do it, but I just needed like I need time. That's like a summer project.

Ed

Yeah. I wouldn't mind doing something on like uh the space program. I know I've done Hubble, uh, but like all the how how like how did America get to the moon by like thousands of dumpster fires along the way. Every single thing they fixed was uh like they almost lost these astronauts in space as a result, or the really janky ways that they figured out how to like fix something in space involving duct tape or just changing a light bulb so that the light turns on and then you can go home. Like just a lot of really janky stuff like that. That the good old-fashioned American ingenuity. I think those would be some interesting.

SPEAKER_03

I love shortcuts. MacGyver, just MacGyver it up, yeah.

Ed

Yes. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I think um that was a pretty good overview.

Ed

Yeah, good, good, a good recap.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, fun little recap. Yeah, and we'll uh previously on The Days Dumpster Fire talked about our show.

SPEAKER_03

I've been watching Yellow Jackets, and that's just what what I was reminded of previously on Yellow Jackets.

Ed

I've been watching The Pit. Oh on HBO, I just finished I've always loved those medical shows, but the pit is like very accurate to like actual ER stuff. And it's and I love Noel Wiley, like what did you just finish watching Jisa?

SPEAKER_03

Huh? What did you just finish watching Deja? I got tongue-tied. Deja.

SPEAKER_04

Um what did I just finish? Oh, um, um, the Amer what's it called? Uh the one with the Mormons and the Indians on Netflix. I know that sounds terrible. Wait, that's not like the best way to I think I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03

Did it just come out? It's new. It's on yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it just came out and it's so good. It's got I don't know if anyone's familiar with Daddy Daycare, but it's got the guy that plays Melvin, this the the guy who really likes um what's that Star Trek?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I forget his name, but I know exactly who you're talking about. I actually watched the first episode.

SPEAKER_04

I haven't watched all of it yet. It's super good. I actually like was stressed out waiting to watch it really when I had to wait. I was like, I can't do this. This is torture.

Ed

So what I search up, uh Mormons and Indians.

SPEAKER_03

No, we'll we'll find the title for you.

SPEAKER_04

It's American Primal, I think.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, that sounds right.

Ed

Oh, American Primeval. Yes, that's what it is. There it is.

SPEAKER_03

I heard it's really good. I haven't watched all of it yet because very good. Yellow jackets just came out, but I will sit down and watch it.

Ed

Yeah, I'm gonna watch that. Um, I had a history professional college that that's what he focused his PhD on was this time period of of Mormons and interactions going out west and Utah and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I find it fascinating just because in Arizona you are, I don't know, I just feel like we have so much indigenous culture around us. And then I also come from a family of Mormons, so it's just really it was just very um it's a timepiece for sure. I I definitely think. Nice. I like that.

Ed

Yeah, I'm gonna be looking that up tonight so much for getting sleep.

SPEAKER_03

Well, now um all the listeners got our taste in TV shows. Let's uh let's wrap it up here because we're at an hour.

SPEAKER_04

Sorry to squish my toe.

SPEAKER_03

Uh are you okay? Yeah, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04

I tried so hard not to scream.

SPEAKER_03

But uh thanks for listening, everybody. Ed, what do you got next for us?

Ed

Yeah, I got uh I'm I'm working on the um uh the Panama Canal. Okay um I mentioned a little bit ago, like the what what did the French do to start it and absolutely fail miserably? And then the Americans bought it from them and then had to like rebuild everything. They had to redo everything from scratch. Um, that's gonna be an episode you're gonna do a lot of face palms on.

SPEAKER_03

Great.

Ed

Because it's gonna be like, what are you guys thinking here? Um, so yeah, that's that's probably gonna be our our next episode, I think, that we're gonna record. It should be a uh a fun one.

SPEAKER_03

Yep, and then we have a um a collective research recording in the works. Uh that'll be a fun time, so keep an eye out for that. But otherwise, everyone, you can reach us at thedaysdumpsterfire at gmail.com. We also have a website, thedaysdumpsterfire.com. Uh, we have an Instagram if you want to check that out at The Days Dumpster Fire. It's all pretty standard. I'm sure you're getting a pattern, it's fine.

Ed

Um, you're really selling that. We're doing great Instagram.

SPEAKER_04

It's so good. It's great content. 10 out of 10. Thank you, David. That's what we're here for.

Ed

That's what she's here for. It is mediocre at the best.

SPEAKER_03

Anyways, I'm just doing housekeeping at this point. Um, if you like the show, please read and review it. Really helps us out. You can find our show anywhere you get your podcasts and keep it a hot mess.

Ed

That's my line.

SPEAKER_03

Thanks. Oh.

Ed

Bye.

SPEAKER_05

So upset.

SPEAKER_03

Like, she just ran through everything really fast. Just so upset about it.

Ed

Let me catch a spot. All right, guys. We'll catch you next time. Bye.

SPEAKER_05

Bye.