The Bat Bomb of WWII Fire Part 1. - Episode 72

In today's episode, Ed decided to go down a different kind of dumpster fire. Instead of a large volume of people being killed or injured or thousands of people losing their retirements due to sketchy accounting practices. The Bat Bomb of WWII is a testament to the creativity of the human mind in times of extreme need and how not all ideas are going to be good. 

While vacationing in Carlsbad, New Mexico to watch bats, dentist / eccentric inventor, Dr. Lytle S. Adams, heard about the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 that sent America into World War II. The first half of 1942 didn't go well for America when fighting the Japanese Empire for a multitude of reasons, but Dr. Adams thought of using bats to wreak havoc on the Japanese Empire's homeland of...  well... Japan... 

In this episode, you're going to be regaled with founding, setup, testing, and conclusions from one of the most "bat brained" ideas of WWII. Dr. Adams selected an elite crew of scientists and contributors to put together a bomb that when dropped, would dispense over 1,000 bats all carrying a little incendiary capsule of napalm. The idea was that the bats would disperse over Japan, find dark attics and other nooks and crannies so that the napalm charge would go off and set fire to the building. 

The plan was so well thought out and so perfect, that if implemented correctly, it could rival that of another type of weapon being researched in Los Alamos at the same exact time as the Bat Bomb just out side Los Angeles... the nuclear bomb!

This is all assuming that Adams and his team could make this Bat Bomb idea actually work and not burn the entire program to the ground in the process. 

Oh wait! This is going to be two parter episode, but you won't have to wait two weeks for Ed to get the episode out containing the thrilling conclusion. If all goes according to plan, part 2 will be out a few days after this episode airs... What could possibly go wrong?

Some other episodes that you might find interesting based on the time period and / or mentioned in the Bat Bomb episode:

Oppie's Demo Core Fire

The Dust Bowl

Prohibition (Episodes 59-62)

The Great Depression (Episodes 65-68)

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Transcript

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Alright, Kere. You've known me for a little while now. I'm assuming.

Kara: 0:08

I'd imagine so. Have I ever told you what I really like about Total War? No. Are being able to play in like a national sport. Yeah, baseball. like Other than just being a cheerleader, yeah, baseball. Yeah, there's no crying at that. You crying. There's no crying in baseball. I know. The one. So yes, there is that. Um, but for the sake of today's episode, the one thing I really love it. Love about like humanity when they go into a massive massive war. Um, isn't like the genocide, right? It's not not even really the politics. It's the amount of crazy ideas that are deeply considered. Yeah, that's fair. So like if you had a crazy idea and it's peacetime, you would never bring it up or you'd get laughed at. Or you get laughed at or or whatever. But like, when everything hits the fan and like, there's no telling how this war is going to pan out. Hey, you got a crazy idea. Let's trade out and see what happens. Yeah, desperation. So like, and I feel like there's a lot of progress to be had in humanity when that happens. The downside is it's just like, you say like the American Civil War. Hey, how do we shorten up this war? The Gatlin gun. Cool. Let's move on into another era of humanity where we try to find ways to kill each other more effectively. But I have it once in a while, man, there's like some weird oddball idea that comes out of nowhere and it's like, oh, yeah, yeah. We got to give this give this a world. So I say, we get into World War II's bat bombs. Hello, welcome to another day in your days, Mr Fires. I am your host, Ed, with me as always is Kara, this is a. Oh, I got you up there. Sorry about that. But if you're just scumbling on this podcast. This is a podcast where we look at all the times in human history where we think as a species, we have the perfect and fellible no way could this plan ever go sideways and then five minutes later, it all blows up in your face. And now you are left with a dumpster fire. So not really blind lighting is a self-help show, but if you are in some point in your life where you're like, man, I've really screwed this up or. Man, I like, I don't know how I'm going to get out of this. This show helps you take into consideration that there's people out there that screwed up a lot more than you have. Well, hopefully. I mean, if you've made it under Oh, this. in like 20 years, but yeah, yeah. Come and come and talk to us in a few years after and see if you're still in the news. But yeah, no, it's a fun show where we look at humanity's most fantastic failures. And I think this is like the fourth my fourth episode in a row. I'm kind of doing a carer. I'm like at a marathon. How's it feels at liberating? It's like people get to remember who I am like I it. hugged Enough. It's all good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know it like because you did great depression. And then before that, you had like it was Prohibition. prohibition. Yep. And then you did, yeah, we went through the entire inner war period. Well, and then you also had dust bowl. Yeah, I did dust bowl too. Yep. So like, so yeah, like if you, if you really look at say like, Gallipoli and you look at Boston, molasses flood and you look at dust bowl and then you look at prohibition and then great depression. Your 1910 to 1945. Like yeah, you should be set for that time period. It's pretty. It's pretty good. Yeah, good. yeah, I will say we're a little skimpy on like actual World War II stuff, but that's Well, okay. yeah, yeah, 'cause we try to find, like, the more wackier stories or the things where, you know, like a uh, a female activist comes in and starts throwing axes at like, mirrors and stuff like that, you know, like we try to find the more uh, the more stuff that you typically don't find in your high school history class. Right, like women with hadgets. yeah, and we do have a bad ass check of of our story today. We have an awesome lady of an episode today. exciting. That's Yes. I that. love Uh, yeah, well, yeah. Only problem is is like yeah, I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll get into it. yeah, But we'll so, like, sit down, buckle up. Here we go. Uh, this episode's gonna be in a much, much different direction that I have been going lately. Lately, it's been, like, Bangladesh Bank ice, right, 2015 or N-RON, or, you know, more recent types of episodes involving, like, technology and whatnot. Uh, here, we're gonna go back to World War II. And I'm a middle-aged man, and I like to smoke meat on like, on the grill, and I like to read up on World War II history. And I had somebody explain to me like, "That is the true sign of a middle-aged American man." They grill stuff, and then they study World War II history. Sounds right. Has Gabe started doing that yet? Or... Oh. No. No. Are yet? No. Okay. So, yeah, he's still he's still a young one. Yeah. Even though, I think he's only a few years younger than me, but still. Going back to, like, our intro here, we have one of my favorite things about studying, like, massive massive wars. And one of the coolest things about studying huge wars is this notion that we're when the world is literally on fire, any idea is considered. Because, how many have you had times in your life where you're like at work and you're like, "Okay, I have a really, really hair-brained idea." I don't know if it'll work or not, but I don't dare speak up because I'll just get laughed at. Uh, it happens more when I'm playing Dungeons and Dragons. In fact, it happened to me yesterday. Oh, really? That's right. Yeah, because you're, like, a dungeon master. No. I'm a player. Oh. Um, but I had a stupid idea that I didn't think was going to work, but I asked anyway. It got shot down.[laughs] Well, did your plan yesterday involve explosive bats? No. Cool. Yeah. Because that is what today's episode is all about. It is the wild and crazy idea of attacking Japan with explosive bats. Sweet. And I like to think of, like, you know, on Zelda, um, where they have, like, you go on the dungeon and they have the bats that are on fire. And they're, like, super annoying to try to kill because they light you on fire or you play Okra at a time if they burn up your shield. Yep. That's what comes to mind here. But this goes so much further sideways. Hmm, let's, uh, let's get into it. So obviously, the best place is to start at the beginning. And I'm going to gloss over this because I'm pretty sure most people know how... how America got involved in World War II. I hope so. So, like, I, like, that is a dumpster fire in its own right that, like, attack on Pearl Harbor, maybe, uh, something that I'll look into. But that one is, that one's fun. It's like the Titanic. Where there's so many, like, different theories as to why it got attacked. And some of these ideas are just off the wall, crazy. Um, but let's start with part one and each part of today's episode is going to be an operation. Because the operation or the project that we are looking into today is famously known as project X-ray. Our operation X-ray. So part one here is operation. Do a lot by due little. And no, that's not a real operation. But yeah, we're going to be talking about due a little here. So Sunday, December 7, 1941, the Empire Japan commenced a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, which was nestled on the south side of Oahu. Oahu, Oahu. Yep. Uh, I, my Hawaiian is terrible. Um, it's the one with Honolulu on it. In fact, Pearl Harbor is located west of Honolulu. If you go to Honolulu and you look to your West, you will see Pearl Harbor. It's kind of a fixture there. This attack is a dimsifier in its own right and could be its own episode, but I'm not going to dive into too much today on that. There are all sorts of conspiracy theories out there about the attack. You know, again, we're not going to get into that because I've seen conspiracy theories range from like communist plot to alien abductions to, you know, Roosevelt orchestrating it from the ground up. Or my personal favorite and my previous job did Pearl Harbor ever actually happen or was it just a, a media frenzy? Yeah, if you could look up the carous face right now, saying, oh god, and you know those people that. I'm not angry, but it's fine. Continue. Oh, it's yeah, because you don't vote. So like to really kind of like look at this a little bit here, like the Empire of Japan for the decades prior leading up to the attack on Pearl was modernizing like crazed from like 1900 to the 1940s Japan really, really wanted to be like. The other, quote unquote developed nations out there like America, Britain, France, Spain. So like they really wanted to be viewed as an equal partner or player in the world, you know political and economic forum. So the issue is that even though Japan had come a very long way and was extremely technologically savvy, they developed world really didn't take him seriously, right. They they were kind of like the little kids at the table in Japan or the Japanese are. They're very stoic, very reserved, they're not like the kind of people that are necessarily fanatical and terms of what we're used to seeing today. And the result they kind of got put on the back burner. So this caused a lot of resentment right Japan did a lot of modernize. They weren't taking very seriously anybody who isn't taking seriously for whatever reason they start building up a lot of resentment. And then America wasn't helping either because Japan was buying pretty much all of its oil from America. America was really kind of fiddling with the oil prices and really was kind of like leveraging oil to kind of control Japan. So as like Japan became more involved and they got more of a military and more wanting to be like a world player kind of a thing America would kind of strangle them or try to restrain them by messing with the oil. And I can go on for hours on this. This is a very, very complicated thing. I am glossing over so much stuff. I do recommend if you really want to study like World War II from like Japanese perspective. I'm pretty sure if you're listening to this history podcast, you probably have already heard like Dan Carlens hardcore history. He did like a four or five part on Japan and that is a master work of a history podcast. Yeah, it's very good. Oh, yeah, it is absolutely incredible. So like, go study that or go listen to that because Carl isn't doing like what I'm going to be doing and go into some more lesser known things that are kind of humors and probably not worth mentioning in like 20 hours of of a podcast series. So all that matters Pearl Harbor got bombed the next day. Franklin Delano Roosevelt delivered his day of him from me speech. day Ever live in and for me. Oh, yeah, it is. That's a wild speech like to get one. Yeah, remember, I used to play it for our students like writer on 9/11 and read it. Yeah, yeah, reading it's pretty good because because we always hear the first part of it. We never really hear the second half of it. We're for like five or six minutes. Roosevelt goes on to explain like, oh, last night. So no, Japan attacks Guam, Japan attacks, Micronesia, Japan attacked like Pearl Harbor was just like a list of targets that Japan was targeting. They were busy on December 7. They were really getting around out there. And so basically Roosevelt was asking Congress to declare war. And I have here like an all caps for those you don't know. President cannot declare war. A president has his commander in chief and he has control over the military for a certain period of time, but he cannot. single-handedly put a nation into a state of war only Congress can do that but he can certainly ask and he He can definitely work work with his own political party, which pretty much dominated the both houses in Roosevelt's time So when he was asking Congress to go to war against Japan, it really wasn't that hard of a sell and so like On December 8th the House of Representatives voted 388 to one to go to war against Japan and This is where our like our badass girl of the episode comes in and I should say there's two We have Eleanor Roosevelt can never forget Yeah, like she she actually makes this whole this whole Bat bomb thing happen it is like her influence That kind of really gets the ball rolling on that, but I'll get there very shortly The one to center was a representative by the name of Jeanette Rankin She's a Republican from Montana and she was a huge pacifist and she felt that if I can't go to war like if I Me if I can't go For you know my gender or age or whatever then I ethically can't send other people's children To go die She did the same thing with World War one in 1917 She's like if all of us are gonna vote to send other people to their deaths and we need to be able to do that like be willing to do that ourselves And if you're not willing to do that then you shouldn't really be doing that net. That takes a lot of courage Yeah, it does because I can only imagine what the response was from Other Republicans and other Democrats, you know, the 388 other People that voted to go to war I can only imagine like, you know what the tweets would have been like Yeah, I have a lot of respect Respect for that So and I have here like unfortunately represented Jeanette is our only badass lady of the episode that is not true We will be talking about Eleanor Roosevelt But I did just want to bring up because she's a fascinating figure in terms of like she's a Republican and she is from Montana and she's like No war. Let's let's try to work another way around this, but there's another one here. We'll get into it one thing that was rampant. I'm most Americans mines does like after that attack on Pearl Harbor Americans were pissed and like overnight the nation rallied I remember my grandfather telling me how Like the Japanese ceased to be human beings the Japanese Seas to be somebody that you would even want to associate with I didn't help that they look a little different than say people from the Western side But like yeah, my grandfather even up to like in his 80s never really referred to Japanese But he would always have some other drugatory term for them and it's not because he hated them because that's what he Like that's all he was surrounded in that that's how all Americans referred to the Japanese is like these rats that need to be Chased out and exterminated Yeah, it starts to get pretty ugly and in that regard The American attitudes towards the Japanese after Pearl Harbor happened was It was pretty ugly it got really bad Yeah, camps were set up It yeah, it's it's not Exactly the Americans proudest moments in World War II. Yeah, no, I it is definitely Something that I am not a huge it's a behavior that I'm not a huge fan of However, given the time I understand why people were upset I understand why people were upset, but the fact that they took it as far as they did I don't take his excuseable Yeah, and to say that that Americans are the good guys But you know like the evil Nazis and the concentration camps and everything like yeah, but Yeah, I granted America was in trend exterminate a race of humanity, but they were still putting Families in camps and less than ideal situations only and here's the funny thing is like there was actually no real confirmed case of Japanese espionage in America correct It was just that hey these people look different lock them up Yeah, and it is a very interesting piece of history piece of World War II history that I do suggest you look up Read up on it. I've been to mansonar and It's is that the one that's in Nevada, in California oh it's a California. Okay Yeah, it's only like the eastern side of the state. There's a book on it called"Farewell, the Man's in Our." Excellent book, read it. But yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah, it is. It's again, it's kind of like a blemish, American identity, but yeah. It was, let's just say that America in the 1940s was a pretty different country than it is today. Much the same way, Japan back then was vastly different than what it is today. So the empire of Japan is not the Japan of today. It is a completely different mindset. It is a completely different set of priorities. So like, I remember teaching even in high school and I remember we had some middle schoolers that were like, don't even wanna talk or be associated with a Japanese person today because of what they did back then and just like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, hang on here. I That's how this works. This is a, yeah, exactly. Kind of like, okay, yeah, we could look at the Catholic Church, right? And the Inquisition. And these stuff that was going on in Spain with the Catholic Church and whatnot. That is not the same Catholic Church today because I don't think the Catholic Church today would have anything to do with torturing people in the name of God for conversion. It just doesn't sit well. So yeah, whenever I talk about stuff like this, I always wanna bring that up, that okay. I'm gonna refer to the Japanese, but not as they are today, but as the empire of Japan was back then. So Americans wanted to hit back at Japan, right? Hey, you surprise attack us. We wanna surprise attack you. And that's kind of difficult, especially when you look at America going into World War II. Didn't have the largest army. Air Force really wasn't up to spec. I think there was a total of four aircraft carriers. So it's not like America had and all categories of fighting a war. America was pretty laxed going into World War II, compared to other nations. So just getting out there and hopping in a plane and attacking Tokyo isn't something that you just do on the fly. It took Japan over a year to plan out the attack on Pearl Harbor. So it's not like something that they just did. Like, hey, you know what? Tomorrow, let's go bomb Pearl Harbor. That's not how that worked. The big thing is because there's a gigantic ocean that makes everything way more difficult. In terms of preparedness, Japan literally had America beat never category. Japan had way more massive navy. They had a lot more men and the army that actually had an Air Force like going into World War II by planes were still commonly used. Like the planes that we see today and like the documentaries and stuff like that, that's not the kind of military we had or the Air Force we had back in 1942. It was, yeah, America had an awakening. Japan also had an army that was way more experienced, primarily because of the atrocities that they were committing in China and Korea during that time. Yeah, we touched on that the end of the depression episode a little bit. Yeah, yeah, and even to this day, like there's still some resentment in that part of the world for what happened because the atrocities that were committed in China is brutal. Yeah, it's really bad. Which again, completely different Japan than what it is today. So like the Japanese top of having all of the better technology and the larger army and all that kind of stuff, the more routes or it's fighting was vastly different than Americans. And to quote Dan Carlen from his series on the Supernova in the East, the Japanese soldiers were just like any other soldier but just a little bit more. And yeah, it was proven that like the Japanese because compared to the Americans, they were shorter, they were thinner, that Japanese weren't like these huge corn fed Midwestern farmer boys. Their strategy was just absolute unwavering nationalism. and... Like to die for your country is like It's not just like the greatest honor that you could do is like the expectation like They were a tough Tough fighting force and Britain saw that firsthand when they got involved years before MacArthur got his butt handed to him the first part of America's wall involvement World War 2 So like just getting out there and blowing the crap out of Japan Just it's not something that you can just do easily. So America decided Something's got to happen something has we've got to be able to send a message to Japan and And show that America may be the underdog in All this and we're gonna come out on top. That is a huge American themes fishing literature is like one man against all odds, all right the little guy rising to the top be the most powerful or whatever and That's kind of what the famous doodle raid was again the doodle raid is a pretty complicated thing and its own right? But I'll go over it real quickly here April 18 14 to about five months after the attack on Pearl Harbor Lieutenant Colonel James do little which that's an iconic me. I'm sorry. It's it's pretty solid Yeah, yeah do little man and this goes a tough dude He commanded a 16 crew B 25 Mitchell Bomber Squadron And then B 25 makes its presence knowing in this this episode, Led like this bomber squadron that bombed very Japanese military targets including Tokyo and Again, harrowing experience. They didn't have enough fuel to get back to the aircraft carriers So they had to like fly into Japan and then ditched the plane and try to make their way back to America 14 of the 16 crews eventually made its way back to the United States But it was like after the war and after they were taken prisoner by the Japanese and and all that stuff Yeah crazy crazy raid, but it was designed to send a message to Japan and to the rest of Japan's allies that like hey, you got a sucker punch in on us Fair enough, but we'll get will We will exact revenge in some way and What this really did for America when they do a little raid happened and that here's the funny thing to do a little raid really didn't do anything They bombed a few targets like maybe a sensitive spot or two but Like when they bombed a Tokyo Do a little thought that he was gonna get court martialed for not hitting any more major target I think he took out like a grocery store, you know it really wasn't it wasn't like a It wasn't a type of attack that was gonna bring Japan to its knees. Yeah, it's still like do little thought that when he finally got out of like Japan Occupied China and everything that he was good to get in trouble For missing his targets No, he actually got promoted to the rank of like general He got like the Congressional Medal of Honor and he'd be known he became known as an absolute war hero same thing was a squadron But what what the attack was really designed to do was Attack this impression that many people had the Japan was unimprognable undefeatable like you're not gonna get a counter attack in on them Japan is like this mighty empire that is Too hard to crack and the do little raid did a lot to damage that vision A lot of after do a little raid a lot of people are in America or like okay Yeah, we're back. We're in this We're going to take on Japan head-on and You know just kick him square in the nuts and this plan is exactly what Admiral Rear Admiral Chester Nimitz was hoping for because they do a little raid then like Increased the morale in the American side one thing led to another and then it leads to the battle of Midway Which is like the largest naval battle in history in terms of what was involved Yeah, again, that's like another episode Midway is a dumpster fire on the Japanese side all things concerned I've actually been thinking about doing some episodes like that like Hey, if it's a victory on our part, it was a dumpster fire on their part the same way that opposed yeah, yeah, and we don't really focus too much on the opposite side. We don't really focus on, like, hey, America defeated Japan in midway, okay? But, you know, on the Japanese perspective, that was a huge jumpstaffier for them. So, I may actually do, a few episodes, looking at famous battles, but told from the perspective of the side that lost. Because that is a dumpstaffier and it's on right. But, the raid picked a rather unique American perspective known as the underdog, right? This is an American-made literature thing where, against all odds, one man will rise to become all of this or to take over all this or be undefeatable or whatever. And Americans clung to that, especially when it was like a real-life application here. So, this also kind of, like, uhm, sparked another side of America that we don't really focus too much on about World War II. And, there's the idea that now suddenly, for the war effort, everybody had an idea. Everybody had a voice. Everybody wanted to contribute in their own way. Whether it was, like, working in a paper factory or it was signing up for the forces or, you know, coming up with some hair-brained idea that would be laughed at before. And that's going to lead us to Part 2, Operation Dentist Overlord. Sounds like a Sonic villain. Right. And a day, Yeah, you got to have like the'90s, like, retro music like, yeah. playing in the background. Yeah. It's a little ding. But, yeah. In Part 2 here, basically, America was heavily in-sconcing the idea that we don't care how crazy the idea is. As long as it works, it ain't a crazy idea. It's still like when I was researching this, I saw all sorts of memes where it showed, you know, like some hillbilly doing something stupid, fixing something in an idiotic manner. But the caption below it says like if it looks stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid. Like, fair, and it still looks pretty stupid. So, let us be introduced to, I don't know, the hero, the protagonist. You'll see, this guy is weird. We've got Dr. little, I'm sorry, Dr. Lightle S. Adams. He was a dentist from Irwin, Pennsylvania, and he literally had a bat-brained idea. So crazy, it might just work. All right. Dr. Adams is a very colorful person, very eccentric, very happy who's always, he's like the dude that you always see or that like, you know, you have that one coworker that even it's if it's a Monday, and it's an absolute poo show, like they're super happy and bubbly and excited to be there. And you just like, please shut up. And the mood's today. So yeah, he was kind of like that, very pleasant guy, but just a little out there, right. He reminds me that history channel meme that dudes get like that messed up hair. Oh, the alien guy? Yeah, he just looks all weird. He's kind of like that in terms of his ideas. Yeah, he was a dentist, and he went from drilling out teeth to becoming a wartime inventor. In 1934 to kind of give you an idea of what this guy was all about, he came up with the idea of using airplanes with long hooks that would fly over skyscrapers, and it would snag bags of mail. It was like a skyhook thing. And so like, yeah, the plan flyover, say, Empire State Building, whatever, snag just drawing back a mail and then take it to the post office. Drone deliveries before the drones. Yeah. All right. The idea didn't take off. A little hard to orchestrate in 1934. Yeah, yeah, no, it was yeah, it was it was a pretty it was an idea a little ahead of its time. And the reason why I say that is because this idea was used in the second Batman movie. Remember when Batman to try to like get to that that Chinese accountant, dude? uh, he went back to Beijing from from Gotham City, and the joker's like, yeah Batman has no jurisdiction. So, like how is he going to get this, this mob accountant out, and that was how he actually used, uh, Dr. Adam's crazy idea here, where when he finally caught the LOW or whatever his name was, he went to the top of the building, and then. No, I'm sorry, he's threw like a balloon out the window with like a cable on it, and then they see 130 flew over, snagged that cable, and then pulled that man and the guy out, and it was, and there was actually called a sky hook, which is what. Uhm, Dr. Adam's actually had mine, so, nice. Yeah, I don't, I don't know, I kind of want to talk to Christopher Nolan, like, you know, just call him up on my cell phone and be like, hey bro, Yeah. I got, I got a question. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he and I go way back. Uhm, actually I'd probably, if I ever got him on the phone, I probably as hyperventilate. I And got knees. Oh no. It would be like the, the, the, the first time in my entire life when I asked a girl out to a dance, and I literally stood there on her porch for 30 seconds hyperventilating. Nice. Yep. Yep. And then she eventually had to let call me down and be like, okay, I think I know what you're going to ask me. And she's like, the answer's still no. Easier, I guess. Yeah, so let me sit there for the rest of the superventilling. That's probably what I would do if I ever got Christopher Nolan on the phone. Uhm, so yeah, the sky hook thing, right? Cool. Uhm, a another idea that really caught my interest. Uhm, he came up with a fried chicken vending machine. Okay, I can get behind this. Let's elaborate. Yes. When I, when I heard that he came up with this idea, I'm like, Oh, this has got care written all over cause every time I've been to a restaurant with you, you just get chicken tenders. Oh, reliable. You can base the quality of the restaurant on their chicken tendees. Yeah, every time we would travel or whatever, man, you, you just down those chicken tenders. Like, you know, this place is known for it's burgers. Yes. But chicken tenders. So again, the idea flopped just didn't quite take off. Right. So we're kind of getting an idea of Dr. Adams here, and I applaud it. Right. You got to have ideas. You only need one to work. That's fair. it did. Like, eventually, uh, I think it's in Japan, Australia. Um, they have beer, be bought, bird bought snacky fry and KFC released a fried chicken dispensing machine to give out like free samples. And that was actually just like a few months ago. See? We're making progress. Yeah, do like, Dr. Adams. Look at you, man, going from root canals to chicken tenders. Just like eight years before his time. Yeah. He actually lived a long life too. Like he, uh, um, yeah, he's he saw a thing or two. So when, uh, when Pearl Harbor took place, people like Dr. Adams came out of the woodwork to offer up some of the craziest ideas, uh, to fight the enemy that even Archimedes would be jealous of. And Archimedes had some crazy ideas. Uh, and this is what I love about a world war. Um, not that like, woohoo. I can't wait for the next world war. Uh, no, I don't want to come across like a war manga. But I do give a lot of respect uh, for like how a war can change a country's philosophies and like one of those philosophies is like, Hey, any idea is worth looking into. And so like, you've got like any idea that like you would throw out today, uh, would get you throwing out of the conversation. But back then you've got such inventions as like the Panjandrum, which is this is a British idea where they took a big heavy wheel, put a bunch of rockets on it. So they would spin really, really fast and then let it loose. And then it could go over like minefields and, and whatnot. Isn't that how Walt died in Breaking Bad? Uh, it's sort of. Close enough. Yeah, the Panjandrum is basically a rocket propelled explosive wheel. Uh, the crewm loft. A bent rifle that can shoot around corners. Okay. That one's kind of cool. Like it's literally a 90 degree bent rifle, um, explosive rats. that's a, that and a literally put explosive charges in its rectum and, oh, sent them off. Yep. Um, um, pigeon-guided missiles. So that, that I feel like that could be an episode in its own right. uh-uh....and just fire away. Sounds like something one of my brothers would say. Hey, oh, all of them. Yeah. Blood-related....related. It doesn't, I did. like Yeah, dude. Xer 7 of them would say that. Yeah, you give me a load it up on some Taco Bell man and, uh, yeah, we'll take them all out. Um, yeah, I have no idea what a wind cannon was, but I'm assuming it's a type of gun that would burst out, like a puff of air with high velocity or whatever. For me, I feel like it's just like it's a wind machine. I just think it hurts. Yeah. Yep. Um, so then we've also got the, um, oh, yeah, the 1,350 ton. Uh, shverer, Gustav railway gun. Woof. So that's a yeah, that's a massive gun that the Germans created that could only be used on railways. And it takes like two to three weeks to set up. And then it takes like thing. It's crazy. Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah, it, it if it's not compensating for something in Hitler's personal life, I don't know what is, like. The world war II German guns, I guess, I know, I, yeah, weaponry, my brain, they're, huge, especially early in the world, the war, they're massive. For, oh, yeah, I don't know why for reasons. Yeah, well, like I said, maybe, Hitler's compensating for something. I guess. But yeah, there was two things that the Germans were really known for in the war. We're talking German military. Yes, we know we were very well aware of the Holocaust part of it. The Germans had like some crazy guns like cannons. And they were probably some of the best dressed, in the war like, there are from world war I and world war II about German uniform and how They were to people, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the, especially the officers do they, they really knew how to dress and they really did such an amazing job and how they dress that today. Military are like, okay, how do we dress our officers super, super cool and not have it look like a Nazi. It's true. It's yeah, it's that they almost did too good of a job. We also have the Fugo balloon bombs. That's where you take those like Japanese balloons were not really balloons. They're like a little mini hot air balloons and they, you would light this candle and then it would be like couple feet diameter, go up and then the wind would carry them over to America. And I believe there was a couple fires that were started, either in the PNW or Nor Cal from one of these balloons. Wow, traveled far. Oh, yeah, yeah, so that is actually pretty impressive. Again, it didn't do much to the American where ever, but still. And then, of course, we got like some spy weapons like the umbrella gun, or the Beno grenade, which is a grenade and shaped interest to look just like a baseball. So, because Yeah, it had the stitching on it and everything. that's funny. And for the purposes of this episode and public most famously, Dr. Adams's most know worthy contribution to the war effort bat bombs. All right, Pete, all the bats. Yes, I hate to say it, but bats were harmed in the making of this weapon. Yeah. So, if you, if you're sensitive about animal, cruelty and whatnot, just before Warner, we're not going to get super graphic about it. But yes, the idea was was pretty simple. Use bats to bomb Japan. Our trip with dentist inventor guy had an idea that would be so devastating to the Japanese that if implemented correctly. It could rival that of another project that costs $2 billion back then or $36 billion today. And it would rival that. But it will only cost like a couple of hundred thousand dollars. And it would be on par or providing more devastation to Japan than the Manhattan Project itself. So like, even though the Manhattan Project and Dr. Adams, they had no idea that either existed. So we can't say they're actively competing against each other. However, though, the, yeah, the, the two plans did go into effect. And the idea was like, okay, let's bring Japan down by firebombing them. Whereas like the Manhattan Project is like, let's bring Japan down by a big ass bomb. And again, I don't, I don't need to go into too much detail on the Manhattan Project. If you do want some more behind the scene stuff of the Manhattan Project, go check out episode 17. Oppies Demon Core. You can find that on the day. So Mr. Fire.com, so like, go check that out. That's another thing add on to the list of 1900 and 1940s, podcasting stuff that we've done. our 20, That's where it's pretty pretty good. Like, yeah, yeah, no, we've, yeah, we've got this pretty much pegged. So, so yeah, but for those who don't know the Manhattan Project was basically the plan to build a nuclear bomb. Right. The idea of releasing the power of the nucleus of an atom. And America could fire bomb like towards the end of the war. America would send over thousands of between nine bombers. And in the course of a night, like destroying entire city. The nuclear bomb was designed to do that level of damage to a city, but in like five minutes. So like some would argue like does the nuclear bomb even exist? Yes, it did. Well, then why did they why did they only use then they use that earlier in the war? Well, because they weren't made yet. Well, but the Americans had these fire bombs right? Yeah. Well, and they were more devastating. Right. Yes. Then why did we even need a nuclear bomb? Because a nuclear bomb was way more efficient. It could level a city in minutes. Yeah. So the argument was that the war in the Pacific was so bad. And so devastating on both sides, that the nuclear bomb would it with less casualties and much end faster. It was it's almost like a mercy. I'm mercy kill kill. So that was the conversations that we're going on in terms of whether to drop the bomb or not. Those conversations are still being had in terms of whether it was right or wrong to drop the bomb. But that that is the core idea of it, I guess. Yeah, yeah, the basic idea was that in order for America to invade Japan, it would cost hundreds of thousands of lives. And it could take it could like double the duration of the war. Yeah. Whereas like because again, the Japanese soldiers, it's like any other soldier, but just a little bit more. The island hopping strategy was effective, but it was grueling and these like the Okinawa's and the pale aloos and like in Guadalcanal, like these were vicious, vicious fights that the nuclear bomb was intended to just bypass all of that. So Jerry's still out on the ethics of that, it is again a very fascinating thing. I would have loved to be able to talk to Truman and be like, hey dude, what was running through your mind? Because that decision literally changed the world. Yeah, it did. So the trajectory of humanity took a completely different course after that. It was one of the few technological advancements that changed the course of the world. It's that it's probably the most recent one now for now. Currently, Yeah. before that, it was probably machinery, steam, coal stuff like that from the 1800s before that it was the printing press. So you don't have there are many of them. This is definitely one though. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say there's like four or five inventions that absolutely were paradigm shifting. And the nuclear bomb is definitely probably the most recent one. There's a question for Nolan again. He does a pretty good job painting that picture of often Heimers, yeah, thought process. Yeah. I wonder if he's going to cut us a check for like us promoting a show so much. I know. His movies. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be good. At least a phone call. Yeah. Well, I didn't call you because of me. It's just me hyperventilating. Anyway. Anyways, at random time that Pearl Harbor was being bombed are dentist inventor guy Dr. S at or a little S Adams. He was in he was vacationing in Southern New Mexico because you know it's so fabulous down there. Well. Cisco seems to be a very popular destination for people. Yeah? In four days, doesn't it? Yeah, 'cause I mean. I like New Mexico, it's pretty nice. Yeah, New Mexico is, yeah, it has its own vibe, it has its own vibe to it. Yeah, I've been to Los Luna's. Where they held the project, or the Manhattan project. And it is Yeah. very nice, the landscape's beautiful. I can understand. Oh yeah. Boy, they did But yeah. Yeah, it's like the epitome of like Southwest, like the Wild West it is. Yeah, very scenic in there. Keith Museum there, fantastic. Anybody? Oh, I didn't know it was there. Oh yeah, it's Courta. Oh. Okay. Yeah, So. All sorry. Good, yeah. Yeah, New Mexico is like that one state in the union that you would never think would have such an impact in World War II. So. New Mexico. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, Dr. Adams, he was vacationing around Karlsbad, New Mexico. And there's a massive cave structure down there that they're still trying to figure out like how deep and far it goes. So yeah, he was plunking or caving or whatever. And yeah, he was there. And he noticed like these bats are kind of cool. Like these bats that hang out there. They're kind of remarkable little critters. Especially the Mexican free-tailed bat. He noticed that like they could actually carry a lot of weight. And they're very reliable. And he's like, no, okay. So while studying these bats during his vacation because that's what a real nerd does is study stuff like this on vacation, I have no idea what kind of sort of life outside of dentistry this guy had to be studying bats in Southern New Mexico. But hey, man, you do you. Well, he was there, he heard about the surprise attack on Pearl and obviously he got pretty upset about that, like many Americans did. And he started a piece together and idea that would be so dangerous and so devious, so perfectly planned that when implemented, the island nation of Japan would be burnt to a crisp. Or as I misspell it here, crips. (laughs) That's an unfortunate misspell. Yeah. Yeah, thanks auto correct, didn't save me that time. So essentially Adams had an idea of a bat bomb. And if I wasn't gonna get copyright, struck I would have put the 1960s bat man.(laughs) No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. (laughs) Kapow, bang. Yeah. So here was the basics of idea. Take a bunch of Mexican free-tailed bats, strap a little incendiary bomb with a tiny little timer on it. Stuff about a thousand of them into a canister with a parachute, fly a bunch of bombers over Japan, with these bat canisters, and then just drop 'em like a normal bomb. The canisters would slow the descent, be like a parachute or whatever, and the bats would fly out. Oh, I'm sorry, the bats would want to fly out because they were exposed to daylight and would want to find color cover. So it's a plan that you drop your bat bombs in the outside and you see all the light. Oh my gosh, we gotta go hide because it's too bright out here. The thousands of bats would fly all over the place, especially the populated parts of Japan. So they would fly into like the rafters of houses, stairways, wooden bridges. Anywhere that would be a good spot for freaked out, super confused, Mexican free-tailed bat in the middle of Japan would want to go, right? So they would kinda spread out and then start hiding. Eventually the little timers would run out in the incendiary units would ignite just causing the bats to catch on fire, poor bats, and whatever shelter they were hiding in. So the idea was that these bats would go all over the place and then they would hide, the timers would then ignite and our little bat turns into a little torch. And if enough of these bombs, bat bombs are dropped over Japan, the entire country could go up in flames. That was the plan. What could possibly go wrong? Hmm, boy. Oh yeah, that's. Japan's defeat would be imminent humiliating and a lesson learned for the tack on Pearl Harbor, so to speak. That's the grand plan. Adam's, as we'll see, is kind of an eccentric guy, um, especially with quite an imagination. He, along with many other Americans had some stereotypes about Japan, uh, the Japanese or Japan, as a whole, that we're being used in the planning of this bat bomb. And my, I remember my grandfather bringing this up too. I used these balloons were made of paper and or bamboo. And, and to a greater extent, that is true. Uh, at the time, a lot of Japanese buildings were made of a specific type of paper walls and bamboo and stuff like that. But they were also a developing nation. And they had a lot of brick buildings and, and whatnot. But people back then just thought that all of Japan was built from like paper towels. The mass amounts of propaganda doesn't help Um, either. well, it was more had to do with the pictures that they were seeing in like newspapers of like downtown Tokyo and stuff like that. Makes sense. And since the architecture is very different there than it is here in America, people just assumed that, oh yeah, it's a paper culture. So I can't confirm that this was said, but I read somewhere that Adams believed that bats would be a perfect candidate for the task of burning down the paper culture of Japan. Because the shape of the Japanese eyes made it impossible for any of the Japanese to see the bats or the fires. So stupid and racist that I hope it's not real. There's a lot. But does that, I mean, I don't know if it's true enough that that does seem like a stigma or a stereotype that Americans would have. Yeah, back then. So, um, that sounds something I would ever say. It's not something I even agree with. But, amen. 1940s America, very different place on top of Adam stereotypes. He also believed that the Mexican freestyle bat was placed by God. Okay, so God put these bats in this cave in Carl's Bay in Mexico for the sole purpose of helping America with the war effort. Ext-centric to say the least. Again, there's a lot going on. But yeah, this guy is checking all the boxes for being a good candidate for an episode He's, of the show. he's a lot. Yeah, now he's very religious. He was very emotionally charged when presenting his ideas that, you know, to protect our boys, protect the men defending America. We want to bring these boys back home to their, to their wives and their mothers and all it would take is a few dead bats and. Yeah, the propaganda he had was interesting. Part three, Operation. Not a nut. That able to take it in so many different ways. No, that I look back at. I wasn't Yeah. Okay, but you were, you were thinking it. Um, this has nothing to do with the month of November. So, if you know, you know. And the months following Pearl Harbor Adams really did his research on the Mexican free-tailed bat, and even went back to the caverns a few times to collect a few of them and then run some experiments like the lift capabilities and flight patterns and whatnot. So, only but surely he pieced together his proposal to FDR was such great detail and the schematics that it would be impossible for anyone at the government level to think this idea wasn't stupid. I mean again, he mapped out everything to it. Yeah, diagrams, schematics, explanations, little footnotes, and in all sorts of stuff. In January of 1942, Americans from all over the place were sending their ideas to the White House, regardless of how crazy those ideas were. For the ones being no different, the one thing about this kind of war is that here, brand ideas were considered for at least a moment, just a moment. And you'd be shocked how many dumb ideas actually turn out to be great ideas, when given the chance. And Adams cases bat bomb idea went before the generals and was promptly shot down. We called these generals a bunch of stars and for some odd reason no one that high up thought his bat bomb idea was feasible, logical, or just downrate any good. I mean, I can't see anything wrong with this idea. I think it's brilliant. But, yeah, these generals man, they didn't really want any part of that. Now, most normal people would kind of be like, well, I had an idea, I got it out there, it got shot down. I gotta move on with our life, my life, because I've got a wife and kids and people's teeth are rotting out of their heads left and right. So like I gotta go back to dentistry. Right. That's how most of us normal people would view it. But. Well, Adams ain't normal, and this guy's got connections and he's got powerful connections. So Adams was not going to settle for being like if we went before like to join teacher staff and presented an idea. That is that is further along than what anybody in the army or armed services would ever get to experience in their lives. True. Like let's quite the achievement already. yeah, Yeah, like oh man, you got heard by like three and four star generals, holy crap. But Adams man, he's not one to give up. He knew somebody that didn't work in the government but was married to someone who was. He also knew that the wife of any government official would outrank any multi star general behind a desk. So if you needed to outrank a general, you go to the generals wife. Honestly, yeah, yeah, Adams wrote a letter outlining his plan, which went on to espouse that the humble bat is the lowest level of life form on earth and completely expendable where the purposes of defeating the Japanese. He also felt that the Japanese were much higher in the animal list than the bat. Okay, so there's a dehumanizing phenomenon. While this is beyond racist by today's standards during World War Two, many Americans believed as Japanese were like cowardly rats that must be exterminated at all costs as though they were an infestation. You can this look up World War Two propaganda and yeah, you'll you'll see what I mean. They they do some pretty terrible depictions of the Japanese. Adams when I describe his plan in great detail and really focused on the mathematics of his plan. In short, bats are cheap and expendable American men are worth a lot more. And they're not as expendable to send American men overseas to potentially get injured or kill fighting the monstrous Japanese. I'm saying this just just think about all the air quotes that are in here, right. I'm not I'm not agreeing with it. This is like summarizing Adams true abuse on equality here. You know, fighting the monstrous Japanese when we have millions of bats who probably rather die than carry out their existence as some wretched wind creature who sold job is to terrify humans. The animal fires. I don't know if that's a word or not, but it sounds really cool. The animal fires vampires and poop upside down. That would accomplish more devastation at much less costs. I think he's a few bats shy of a belfry here. Again, a little over the top. He's he's. Okay, I got the best way to describe him, Dr. Adams is just like any other dentist out there, but just a little bit more. I stand by my previous statement. Well, I don't I don't I don't think he sucks in comparison to the rest of the American sentiment at that time. But by today's standards, yes. Yeah, we would be like, hey, we need you to talk to HR. So here's what he actually wrote and I'm not sure if the student is like fully convinced and filled the resolve or simply just fat crap crazy. So this is actually from his letter to this high ranking wife. The lowest form of life is the bad associated in history with the underworld and regions of darkness and evil. Until now reasons for his creation have remained unexplained as I vision into millions of bats that have for ages inhabited our belfry tunnels and caverns were placed there by God to await this hour to play their part in the scheme of free human existence. And to frustrate any attempt of those who dare desecrate our way of life. Hey, this guy, he really knows his rhetorical writing man, like he's very persuasive. So a fire attack by millions of bats he continued would render the Japanese people homeless and their industries useless yet the innocent could escape with their lives. Yeah, he believed that if, hey, man, if you were on the enemy side, but you were good, like you would be spared. How? You asked about the weather. You're an uncontrollable source or an uncontrollable substance on an uncontrollable source. How? But it gets worse. That politician's wife was none other than our other bad ass lady of the episode Eleanor Roosevelt. And of course, the politician in question was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, himself. That is right. Dr. Adams was actually really, really good friends with Eleanor Roosevelt. I feel like this is a common occurrence. Your friend, yeah, you get your way. Well, that's exactly what happened. So like Eleanor made sure that her husband got this letter. And shortly after reading the bat bomb proposal that came from the wife and chief, after you are green, let the program, he thought it was brilliant, not because Adams was so convincing, but probably because, hmm, I think I trust my wife more than this dude. They also had a very interesting relationship. Yes, um, I'm not going to get into it right now, but I suggest you read about it. Yes, yeah, they were. They weren't your typical husband and wife. No, combo. Um, they really spoke their minds and they did take each other's word into consideration. Um, the vibe I got from reading about Roosevelt and Eleanor. It's not like, it's not like Eleanor was put on this lower pedestal with FDR being in a higher pedestal. They were very direct with each other, even if Roosevelt may have strayed from time to time from the bedside of Eleanor. Yeah, he had a side piece. that I think yeah, I think that's what gave her some leverage. she, uh, yeah, yeah, and she was not a pushover. No, She wasn't good to be. She's not the oh, well, who is me or I'm just here to do my womanly responsibilities. It's like, if my husband can't win this war, then I will do it myself kind of a thing. So, and she didn't care, like, Oh, I'm going to do it because I'm a woman. No, I'm going to do it because I'm Eleanor and I'm going to finish this off kind of a thing. She made a really good vice president. So I actually kind of wish she did go into politics more, but anyways, another episode for another day. So yeah, FDR Greenlett the program immediately and the program was now called project X-ray. As he wrote to the office strategic services, Colonel William Donovan, this man is not a nut. It sounds like a perfectly wild idea, but it's worth looking into. And that is how you get a hair-brained idea put into action. In case anyone was wondering what to do, like, if you really want to know how you get an idea to the president and get Greenlett instantly, go to their wife, Mariko. So yeah, that is how you get a hair-brained idea put into action in case anyone is wondering, in case if you have a hair-brained idea yourself, you always go over the president's head and go to their wife. Directly. If it's Jackie Yeah. or Roosevelt or Mary or the other one, so is the big three, The other ones. the Eleanor- Sorry, Michelle. Oh, shoot. I almost cursed. I'm sorry, but- That's a big one. But yes. Oh, yes. If you need something? Yeah. And if you are going to reach out to a more modern day first wife or first lady, just try not to do it in a creepy way when you end up on the news for all the wrong reasons. Don't But- do that. I think writing a letter is good Yes. starting. And if both her and her husband think your idea is stupid, you know, just move on with your life. Yeah. And that's okay, too. Yeah, no harm, no foul. The fact No that you- pun Got intended. that high is pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Take that as a win. And you will get something back. You will like I back? Yeah. Yeah. I got a letter from Bill Clinton. There you go. See? You'll get something back. I wrote him in the sixth grade and yeah, and I got a little letter back saying thank you writing me signed Bill Clinton. It helps when you're in the sixth grade and you're not 40, but- Yeah, and reaching out to a president's wife, but still. Um. Yeah, so like basically, reach out to his wife and do Yeah, there you go. Yeah, or maybe, maybe hop on their social media and make a comment like, hey, I have an idea. that. That's the way. And given this political limit, you could probably do that now, you get pretty far. So we're going to leave it there. This will be a, a two-parter. I wasn't planning on being a two-parter, but for some odd reason man, I, I didn't think I had that much written, but apparently I do. That's a good thing. Yeah, it's a good thing. Yeah, I, I, because I, if you look at my sources, I don't really have like pages and pages and pages and pages of sources. So I was really worried that I going to have to like find ways to drag this out. Hey man, if you're talking World War II and it's you and I, it's going to go. Yes, yeah. And the other, and the other subjectarian in history is like the Civil War. And uh, that's going to be a project. I promise listeners, it's going. It's just going to take some time and. Yes. For me to be confident in it. Yes. Yeah, because yeah, it's, uh, we have very, very different views of that whole incident. But yeah, anyways, we're going to leave it there. Uh, be sure to head on over to the Days Thumbstaffire.com. I promise we'll get that thing updated. But yeah, you can find our massive library there. Uh, we'll have links to, um, the episodes that we mentioned earlier in today's episode. So you can find all those in the show notes. And then yeah, do us a huge favor and try to find a couple of people that you think could benefit from learning from a history is crazy, bad ideas or good ideas that went sideways. Yeah, if you find somebody that could benefit from this podcast, be sure to, uh, spread the word. I have been doing this myself. I don't know if you've been doing this care. But like my co workers, they find out that I have a podcast. One, they treat me like I'm a celebrity, which is weird. And then two, I'm just like, Hey, I'll show you where to find the show. And because we're on Spotify, we're on Amazon. We're on, uh, YouTube. We are everywhere. Yeah, I just show them where to go. Boom. They're locked in. So it doesn't hurt to help somebody like navigate where to go because a lot of people aren't into podcasts. So this is a great way to introduce them to it. So, uh, we will try to get part two out shortly. Normally we have two weeks in between episodes. But this one, I really want to keep part one fresh in everybody's mind. So when this comes out, I'm going to try to have part two coming out shortly after. And we'll see what happens. All right. So, uh, Carried, you have anything you needed to before we end part one? No, I think we're good. Uh, hopefully by the end of part two, I will have something done. Uh, yeah, yeah, a lazy bum. No, I actually worked on it a little bit today, to be fair. And I can't be too critical because you are going for a higher degree and you did do like what, 10 episodes like I did. I did a lot between, between dust bull and then prohibition and then, um, great depression. Yeah, that was about 10 episodes, wasn't it? Uh, four, four, eight, nine. Yeah, that's like 10 episodes. You're right. But also break is coming up. So I will have some time. So I promise you listeners, if you're waiting for me. Things will be coming. Just give me some time. Yeah. Yep. So if you're tired of hearing me talk, Kara will be popping back on here. And then we are working on a thing where if you want to support us, you can. Uh, I don't have all the details yet, but we are working on something that, uh, could really, really help us. Uh, we still are going to be ad free. Uh, don't want to, uh, we don't need any more beef boxes. We don't need any more mattress commercials. We don't need any more, um, you know, psychotherapy, online sessions, stuff like that. Those are, we all know those ads. Uh, but yeah, we're working on a way that if you are, uh, willing and able, you can support us and help support your favorite podcast. And in the meantime, please keep it a hot mess. Uh, watch out for bats. Don't, uh, don't piss them off. Yeah. Uh, we, we have bats stories that will tell you next episode, I promise. Oh, yes. We have good bat stories and we'll save it. So just listen to the next one. there. you know, Carrie, you should really do a drawing of that guy that we saw. I should, we should reach out to that guy. That would be epic. That would be perfect for this show. Yes. 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