Ciera Belnap's Journey: Healing Trauma, Redefining Self-Worth

On this episode of the We Share podcast, Alex and Julie are joined by certified Trauma Recovery Coach and mental health professional Ciera Belnap. Together, they take listeners on an emotional healing journey as Ciera opens up about her personal experiences with childhood trauma, an unhealthy relationship tied to religious expectations, and the long path of rediscovering her self-worth. She shares how these struggles shaped her passion for helping others heal through trauma recovery coaching.

Ciera discusses the challenges of balancing motherhood, especially after her daughter’s autism diagnosis, and how her journey led her to build a flexible career focused on emotional healing outside of traditional therapy. She explains how trauma often resurfaces in adulthood, particularly through parenting, and emphasizes the importance of surrounding yourself with people who are striving to grow and improve.

Throughout the conversation, Ciera highlights the power of community, personal growth, and creating safe spaces for women to heal. She also shares details about her accessible group programs and the importance of addressing inner critics and limiting beliefs. Alex and Julie wrap up by reinforcing the idea that you become like the five people you spend the most time with, encouraging listeners to seek out positive, growth-minded communities.

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You are exactly like the five people you hang out with the most. If the five people you hang out with the most are negative or not working on themselves, or not being the best versions of themselves, you are also going to be just like that. Surrounding yourself with people who are growing, learning, striving to be better, striving to do more is going to give you a more of a leg up than any other thing you could be doing.

Today on the We Share podcast, we're joined by certified Trauma Recovery coach and mental health professional and survivor Sierra Bell. Now.

Welcome to the We Share podcast I'm Julie. I'm Alex. We share ourselves and we provide a platform for others to share. We believe everyone has a purpose and a story to tell. And we're back on the We Share podcast. I'm Julie and I'm Alex. And today we're going to go on an emotional healing journey with Sierra Belnap. She's our guest in studio today.

Sierra has her bachelor's degree in marriage and family studies. She then went on to become a certified trauma recovery coach. But she's done even more work than that. She is now trained in internal family systems therapy that has some dealings with narcissistic abuse, and she has received her education. Become a trauma care practitioner, and you're just on the heels of completing another certification.

So welcome Sierra. We're excited about to learn about all of that and tell us what your new certification is. Yes. Thank you for having me. Yes. Super excited to be here. My new certification is a health and wellness practitioner. So as I have worked through the various stages of being a trauma recovery coach and seeing how women progress through their healing because I primarily work with women, it has become very apparent that it trickles into every aspect of your life the physical, the emotional, the mental, all of it.

And so I decided this last year or I guess earlier this year, to take a more holistic approach in how I, go about healing with my clients. And that just felt right to do the health and wellness practitioner part of that. And now I can kind of tackle all angles. I feel like that's just so important, like to integrate because it really does.

All of it comes together. Where were you like ten years ago when I needed you? I was she's like, I was just, 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I know you're in this position of helping others because you've had a pretty traumatic experience and some growth on your own, which I think is so valuable when you're asking to have someone coach you through your own trauma.

So can you share that traumatic experiences as much as you feel comfortable? Can you share that experience with us? Absolutely. So I had stuff start in childhood, which I didn't realize until I became an adult and started working through things, and I was like, what? Where is this coming from? And as I started to work through it, I realized it was things from my childhood and not that I had a horrible childhood.

My parents are great. I'm super close with both of them and they are wonderful people. But they got divorced when I was, started when I was eight. Finalized when I was nine. So that was really hard. It was very rocky, very rough, horrible, nasty divorce. And, so I have a lot of intense memories of the fights and things.

So not really knowing how to cope with that. And then, oddly enough, that was right around the time that the Twin Towers fell. 911. And so I just was kind of bombarded with all of this at one time. And my little third grade self could not process all of that. So I just kind of stuffed it down and dealt with it as best as I could as a little third grader, because I never felt like I could go home to my parents and say, hey, I'm feeling this, or I'm having a hard time here because they're they.

I knew they were already wrapped up in so much of their own emotional turmoil that I just didn't have a safe place to go home and express. I'm feeling like the book that's coming up for me is, the sky is falling. You know, the the penny, the chicken or whatever. Chicken little. Chicken little. Yeah. The sky is falling at that age.

That's what you would to feel like. And, my daughter was around that age when we went through an ugly divorce, and I know I, I can't wait to hear how this evolves for you. Because she did what you did, unbeknownst to me, right. Because we're all just in survival mode, right? Going through that. So, my dad also was, a heavy drinker when I was little.

And that was that was really difficult. So there was a lot of nights that he wouldn't come home or he'd come home super late. And you don't really realize how much that affects you when you don't have your dad present all of that time. But I internalize that, you know, things were prioritized over me, and I didn't realize that that's how I internalized it until later.

But and like I said, he's doing so much better now. The divorce was probably the best thing that could have happened for my parents because they both remarried and the people they've married are fantastic and they've gained six siblings, three on each side. And so it's just it worked out for the best and they became better people because of it.

So but that was where everything kind of rooted and started. And then when I was, 16, I got in your just your typical high school relationship. So I thought, but he was a member of the church, the LDS church that's prominent here. And I was not and I never grew up that way. And he I didn't realize I had this complex of just wanting to be loved, which was rooted in me wanting to feel important and feel prioritized.

And so as we went through this relationship, it became clear that he didn't want to prioritize me if I wasn't a member of the church. And so we were on again, off again for two years until I was. Yeah, 18, 18.5. So we dated pretty much, junior and senior year. And the more the longer we dated, the worse things got.

And I did get baptized into the church at 17, and I had convinced myself at that time that I was doing it for me. And this was the best choice, and it was going to be great. But now that I'm 32 and I'm no longer a member of the church and have worked through my stuff, I have realized that it was.

I was just trying to feel accepted and feel part of something, and I was willing to sacrifice everything because I had voices in my head that were like, you don't really believe this, you don't really believe this. And I was like, no, this is the only this is the way. But it became a way for him to control me.

And he started belittling me and telling me that I wasn't doing good enough. He eventually convinced me that because my family weren't members of the church, that they were horrible people and I needed to stay away from them. So for a time, I actually sacrificed any relationships with my family. And I like when you hear these things day in and day out, you start to believe them.

And so every day I was told that my family was horrible people and given examples way. And every day he would tell me how dumb I was or how stupid I was, and point out all the reasons why. And so when I hear it over and over again and I'm just trying to be accepted and be loved by someone, I'm constantly was trying to change myself to be better.

It was never good enough. Nothing I ever did was good enough, but it just evolved into this very manipulative and controlling situation. And, I hated myself because I had given up every single part of me that made me who I was, to try to be loved by someone else. And I lost everything that made me me in the process.

And I also, for a time had lost my family because I had pushed them so far away. This is like textbook stuff. Oh, yeah. So you lost your identity. You created a new identity for, like, love and acceptance from him and still wasn't. I love I've heard this scenario. I've even, you know, experienced part of that. What's what's makes me sad for you, but happy where you're at now is that you went through this.

1718 I heard this more with like marriage later. You know, that narcissistic abuse cycle where they isolate you, they beat you down, and then you do get on the hamster wheel of the negative self-talk. Just roller coaster ride of your life. Like it's not fun, but I bet there's some gratitude that you did. It's so young because you didn't have to go through marriage and possibly have a kid and have to dissolve all of that.

Yes. And it it almost came to that. So he it's kind of crazy how it all worked out. He left on his mission and I was like, I am waiting for him and we're going to get married. And like, I had this delusional life planned out that which there was this part of me that was like, nobody else is going to love me.

Which that was something I was told, you know, I'm I'm the best you're ever going to find, is what he would tell me. And so and I believed it, why wouldn't I? And so but once he left on his mission and I was actually away from him, couldn't talk to him because this was back when all you could do was write letters.

And so I couldn't talk to him. And it was then that I kind of had this realization of like, oh my gosh, what have I been doing for the last two and a half years? He probably had. Did you have a good girlfriend step in or something? Or like I pushed them away too, sadly. Okay. I yeah and we, I sense have gone back and reconnected with them and and apologized and I was like I was wasn't there.

Yeah. Yeah they're friends understand though. Yeah. Is there one defining moment moment or moment where you're like it just became clear. So when you were talking about the cycle, typically the cycle is and it was different for me because the cycle of how it usually goes is women will enter into another relationship that mirrors that same one, and they just get trapped in this for years and years and years.

And I don't know, I mean, I definitely believe in a higher power. And I feel like there was a divine intervention then because I met my husband about three weeks before, my ex went on his mission and we were coworkers, and it was just kind of like, oh, he's he's kind of cute, like. And once my ex left on his mission, we actually started talking more, me and my husband and we clicked immediately, and I, I don't know, I, since I was still a member of the church, I still was very much of the mindset of like, this was what I needed to do.

This was the right thing. And I feel like I didn't need to be a member of the church at that time because my husband was a member as well, and he he wouldn't have dated me otherwise. And so it was looking for that. Yes. So so it worked out. It put us exactly where we needed to be. And but we met and, once I started spending more time with him and the way he treated me in the way he showed up, I was like, this is like nothing I have ever like, this is completely opposite.

And so it just like I said, we we clicked immediately and, let's see, we met the beginning of May in 2012, and our first date was in August, and we were married January of 2013. So yeah. So you so you still kept up with the Mormon speed of yes, yes. Marriage. Right. Oh yes. Six months. So that.

Yes. And yes and I didn't I don't love that. I didn't love it then, but it was just it is what it is. It is what it is. And I did it twice. How long did it take you to unpack all of that? Because I bet when you married, you still hadn't unpacked it. I didn't even know it was there.

So it didn't start to come out until we were very first married, and he would want to go on a fishing trip with his friends. Totally normal. But my trauma brain would freak out and it was like, he's going to go and exactly he's going to go, and he's going to realize that you're crazy, or that he doesn't actually love you and he doesn't want to be around you.

And so you just can't let him go. And so there were times that I was like, no, you can't go. And he was like, what? What? Like this? I'm telling you, this man is a saint for sticking with me as I went from this delusional person who's having all of these weird things happen to unpacking it. And, I mean, he's just grown and supported and loved me through the whole thing.

There's good guys out there. Yeah, there's good guys out there. I, he is he is a gem. He is 1 in 1,000,000 for sure. You took your pain and you turned it into your purpose and then absolutely enrolled in school where where did you go to school to get your. So I, so I started I always wanted to be a helper.

I originally went into the medical field and I was working as a CNA, and I wanted to be an hour in. And once I worked as a CNA for about three and a half, four years, I was like, I don't know if this is where I want to be, but I know, like, I, I feel called to prayer loving the bedpans.

No, no, no, not necessarily changes. And as in, like, I really wanted to be an RNN, but I knew the type of RNN that I wanted to be. I was going to have to climb that ladder. And I just was like, I just don't want to miss out on birthdays and holidays and weekends with my kids. Like that does not sound like fun at all.

And so I made a switch and I was going to it was AI tech. See, I in town for the nursing stuff and I made a switch and I transferred up to BYU. AI and I eventually settled on marriage and family studies with, clinical emphasis because I was like, I am going to go be a marriage and family therapist, and I am going to work with kids who are going through a divorce.

Right. What you went through because you're most qualified to help the people that you. Yeah. And so you understand. Yeah. Yeah. So I got all the my undergrad in that and I graduated when our oldest was three, almost three. And I was about two weeks away from delivering our second. And so, I busted out got it done in the normal four years, which was wild with little kids.

And, then after I graduated, I was like, okay, I need I need a break. I need to just be with my babies because I had a newborn and as I took that break, my daughters started to show signs of autism and just things that as a new mom, I was like, this is not a three year old or the three year old.

Okay, yeah. I was like, this is not normal. And everyone kept telling me, don't compare your kids to others. But I'm like, at some point, like, there's things that she's doing that it's not it's not what most other kids are doing. And so we had a long battle of she got diagnosed with sensory processing disorder and, ADHD first.

And then the autism diagnosis came later. But she was just a very high needs kiddo. And when she was five, we had our third baby. So I had five, three and a newborn. And that was my first year out job done. It was a lot. We're just, 20 years ahead of you, that's all. Yeah. And that was that was right.

He was born in November of 2019. So right before Covid. Oh, wow. So we had we just had so much going on at that one time. And I was like, I don't think I could like they need so much for me. I don't know that I'm going to ever feel like I can go and get a master's degree and actually be a marriage and family therapist, because and I mean, everyone will say, you know, you don't ever nobody has time.

There is no good. There's no good time. But I just was like, with how much I know my kids need me, especially our oldest, my oldest daughter, I can't spend that much time going to school and being away from them. You don't get time back. That's the one. Yeah. And so I just kind of put everything on hold.

And then I was just telling my husband, I'm. I'm feeling really unfulfilled. I am not my best self when I'm only a stay at home mom. I need something for me. And both of my parents were entrepreneurs. Both of my step parents are entrepreneurs, so I grew up around go getter moms and And people having their own schedule and like that was normal to me.

And so I was like, I need, I need to figure out what I'm going to do. And my husband said, you are very good at sharing your story and you are very good at helping others and just connecting with others. So he's like, just do that. And I was like, oh, I don't know what that is, but okay.

And so I hopped on Google and I just started googling things and I found, the International Association of Trauma Recovery Coaching. And I read through it and I was like, oh my gosh, this, this is what I need to do. And so in 2022, I started that. And that was a six month course. And it was very, very intense.

Heavy. Like it goes through everything. Trauma the way that they explained it was, you know, if you're going into a nursing degree, you might have a tiny class on, oh, I don't even know, like pediatrics. And then you have a tiny class, like, you kind of get a broad scope of things. And that's a lot of how, marriage, marriage and family therapy is, too.

You get you cover all of it. But then if you want to focus on one area, you need to take additional courses. And so I actually have extensive training, more than most marriage and family therapists out of school view on trauma and its effects on the body in the brain. And they get covered everything. And so that was where I started once I once I, certified in that I got my first client and worked with her for about 14 months.

And it was yeah, I'm sure it was life changing for her. It was. And just to watch her, that's my favorite part about working with my clients is watching them come to me as broken people who are like, on their last straw, and they're tired of themselves, and they are this close to giving up. And this is like their last ditch effort.

And then to have them walk out, you know, a year or so later and be completely different people. It's it's so rewarding. So you you're clearly listening to them. Can you share some of there's tools that you are teaching them to basically rewire the ring. Right. Yes. Yep. So Julie mentioned one at the beginning was the internal family systems.

Okay. So that is it's also known as parts work. So I go into the idea behind that is that we all have little parts in our brain. You might have one part that wants to have ice cream after dinner. In another part that's like, no, like you're on a diet or you're trying to eat clean right now. And so they're just little sub parts of our brains.

But when you go through trauma, especially at a young age, these parts can get stuck at seven, eight, nine years old, however old you were when the trauma happened. And they don't realize that you have grown up and that you're not in that scary environment anymore and that you're safe and you have kids and you're you're doing it.

They don't realize that. And so they will send up these scary that like when my husband went to go fishing, that abandonment part would come up and go, he's going to leave you. When really I could look down and go, I've got a ring on my finger, my husband's not going anywhere. My logical brain can see that. So you're helping all of these people now through coaching.

How do they get a hold of you? How and where should they be in their journey with this? Like, do they need to be paired with a psychologist? Like what is your what is your typical patient or client? I should probably say look like sure. So I can where if you're working with a actual therapist or a psychologist, I can do work alongside with them.

I'll just get in contact with them and we'll kind of tag team it. But I a lot of women who come to me have either done therapy in the past and it didn't work for them because a lot of the therapy around here is talk therapy. It's and they don't want to go back and rehash their story. And I don't I don't believe in it is so true.

You don't want to tell your story again. Yeah. It's you're reliving the story and then it brings it back up and I'm like, oh, I just rather forget about that part. Yes. So I work with a lot of women who like when they come to me, they are like, I, I don't want traditional therapy, I don't want I don't want to worry about any of that.

And so and I have modalities where we don't have to dig super deep into it and we can do more superficial stuff, but it's also it can target that subconscious that's holding on to all of these memories. And that's what the, the and the parts work does. And yeah, and it's, it's a more gentle break down that border you put around those parts so that you can advance.

Yes. And you can move past it. This is like the perfect kind of therapy, because I would say most people want therapy to grow past where they're at. Yes. And this actually fulfills that need. Yeah. So they we start I ask the first question I'll ask Leo is what are you feeling today? What is happening in your life today that is bothering you the most?

Are you anxious when you go to the grocery store? Are you yelling at your kids too much? Like, what are you dealing with today that bugs you the most? And we start there and we work backwards. I think that would be, for me at least, far more healthy, because I am not very good at being vulnerable. So to sit down across from the therapist and say, okay, tell me what's what's the worst parts of your life?

It's going to be very hard for me to. Yeah, pull the covers off on you. Yes. You're like, yeah. So this would be super beneficial to address it that way. Yeah. And that's what I love too. With therapy a lot of times you're dealing with insurance. And so to make sure that insurance will cover your visits, you have to make a certain amount of progress every time.

And I don't have to deal with any of that because I don't do the insurance part. But that means we can go at a snail's pace if that's what you need. We can go super quick like it is 100% tailored to whatever you need, whatever you want to work on. And yeah, I don't I don't have anyone to answer to when it comes to the insurance side of things, so that makes it a lot more flexible.

I'm wondering if just through your experience and training, education and everything, are there books or things that you recommend? So share those because we love sharing good, good books, good information for people. So one of my most favorite books is The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk. And that one talks about how when you have these traumatic things happen and there's things that have happened that may seem so minuscule, and you don't realize that it's actually qualified as a trauma, a trauma is just anything that takes you out of yourself that you feel too overwhelmed to deal with is considered a trauma.

But those things become stored in our bodies if we don't fully process them, and then they will show up later in life because you have that negative energy sitting in your body. And it's it's going to come out one way or the other. We frequently call that cellular memory here. But and you're not the first guest to recommend that book.

It's it's fantastic. It's a good one. It's it's a lot of information. It's a slow read, but it is it is so good. It is so, so good. What's your score? So you get a numerical score in the 80s? I'm a 99. Yeah, yeah. No numerical score. But it's just like your body's always keeping track. Yeah. It's going to I know what manifest to like if I'm higher stress level I'm going to see it show up in my skin or the tension in the shoulders or you.

Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I need a breath. I need to do some things. Yeah. No. And it comes out as, autoimmune diseases and lots of other dysfunctions the longer it goes on. So there's some, some professionals that way about that. You're the one making yourself sick because, you know, like, if you just would take care of the traumas or the things in your life, you just let go of stuff, then you're just and there's so many people that just don't want they want that chapter to be closed and done with and forget about it.

But it's never going to be closed until they can close it and make reconciliation with themselves. But they're scared to and it will. It's hard. Yeah, it absolutely is hard. Difficult, but worth it in the end. Especially for those babes that you bring into this world because they deserve to not have the trauma that you experienced. Yes. Yeah.

They don't need to. They don't need to heal because you continued the trauma. Yes. And that's a lot of women come to me because they they don't realize they had a ton of trauma until they had kids. And then they were like, oh man, I am not showing up as my best self. That is so true because you put a lot of pressure on yourself as a mom, as a mother, like you're like, I want to do this, this and this.

And then if there was something that wasn't modeled to the best, you know, then you're like, well, I'm never going to do that. I know my mom did that. I'm never going to do that. And then you catch yourself doing it because it's so ingrained and just the way you were raised, and that there's something you had mentioned in your story that came up for me was your dad was gone, so you felt like you were in a party to him.

But I'm sure you also witnessed your mom internalizing a lot of pain and rejection and dealing with these emotional traumas as a wife. Yeah, and you can see that more from a wife view. Now that your wife or they're not there and she's doing it all and having to, you know. Yeah. And I'm sure I did. I actually don't have a whole lot of memories from the time that I was about 5 to 10.

So and most of them are about my mom. Like, I can remember things about my dad and I can remember scary parts, but I don't for whatever reason, my brain is like, nope, you don't get to have any of these memories. And so every now and then I'll have like a random one come back and I'll call my parents back.

Did we go to the park on this day? And we maybe it was kind of by this place, and then they'll walk me kind of through like, oh yeah, we did do that and help me kind of recall. But yeah, I don't have I'm sure that what you said about watching my mom, I'm sure that was so traumatic and painful for me as a kid that my brain is just like, yeah, I know it was for my kids that they've voiced it very recently.

So it just happens and you don't realize it because you're just I mean, I thought I had everyone fold. Yeah. Like that. I was keeping it together. Oh, no. Our kids, our kids can sniff it out. Mine, mine. No. I think it's so interesting that you mentioned 911 and that even though you were second or third grade, whatever it was, you were so affected by it.

We are still not understanding what Covid did to the young kids. Yes, it's it's a different version of 911. Right. Absolutely. And trauma is going to be there. And we acted so arrogantly as adults like, oh, this is no big deal. And they're going to be fine. But no, they were taken out of their element. Yes, there were important milestones that weren't celebrated.

There were so many things that were abandoned for about two years. I you've got a whole subset of people that helped us through that trauma because we're we're still in 2025 pretending like it was no big deal. Yeah, yeah. No. And I've seen the effects of that on my own kids. I had a kindergartner, my oldest was in kindergarten and just have her ripped from her classroom and wasn't allowed to dance.

And even into 2021, because that's when all the mask mandates and all of that, we're still like they we got the tail end of it on that school year in 2020. And so I don't think I mean, there's kids who miss their graduations and things. That was that was sad. But I think 2021, that school year was probably a even bigger impact in my opinion, because they had to sit apart from each other and they had these dividers and everyone had to wear masks and that was so different than any other time that they've ever been in school.

And yeah, well, and it was all based on fear. Like they were afraid. Yeah, yeah. I think our audience is going to want to know because I want to know how is your autistic daughter doing, how she how is she today? She's doing great. So we she's been in therapy for six years now. We just graduated from occupational therapy about six months ago, and now she's doing speech therapy, and she's.

She is high functioning. So she's able to she's still goes to school like a normal kid, and she just learns a little bit differently. She just got into, charter school here in town. The newer one elevate. And so they are going to they do more of a hands on approach. So she's really excited to be able to go and learn in a way that's best for her.

And she really has made so much progress. So congratulations mom because that thank you I mean I think we we sometimes are either so wrapped up in our own life that we, we don't address things enough to a high enough intensity. So good job. Thank you. Yeah. And we're happy because we we want we want littles to heal.

Just like we want people our age to heal and women in their 20s to heal and everything. Yes. Okay. How do people get Ahold of you? So the best way through social media. I'm on Facebook and Instagram under Sierra Nicole coaching. And so I'll add a little note there. I all I did was Google your name and it was the very first thing you came up.

Okay. You're there. Perfect. And spell Sierra Ciara. And then Nicole is Nicole. Because my mom had to make things difficult tonight. I'm hoping I don't win, but yeah, that's the best way. And I do one on one coaching. And then I also every now and then I'll do like a mini class where we I've done one on self-love, I've done one on limiting beliefs.

So those will I'll just announce those on my social media. But I just opened up last week. I just started a networking group for women called Nurture Network. And so it is for any woman who just wants to come and be a part of a group who is working towards healing, and you have that support of people there who are they're going through the hard stuff, they're trying to better themselves, and it's super cool.

We meet once a week and we just go over different target topics. And so, okay, you meet on zoom, okay, it's over zoom. And so it's super, super low cost. I tried to I was like, I want to be able to reach as many women as possible. I can only fit so many one on one clients in my schedule.

So how do I how do I do more? And so it's a group format, but it's $13 a month and we meet, at least four times a month. And we'll the three times we'll go over just a different topic. Last week we did self-sabotage. This coming Monday, we're going to talk about our inner critic. And then then following the third week in May, we'll do, oh my gosh, it's on my website.

I can't remember what it is. Yeah, it's awesome here. I think we're going over boundaries. And then the last week I always do an open, open forum so you can bring like your own your own. Yeah. Your own things that maybe you need help with or, you know, had this experience and you want to address it and don't quite know what to do.

And so I just open it up for anybody to want to share who's filling. I think it's just super exciting. It's never going anything like this where because I do know people who can't budget it in right now. Yeah, they could afford $13. And that's what I try. I tried to make it as accessible as possible because I know with inflation and just there's so many different things going on right now that make so many things hard financially on so many people.

And I know, like and that's probably the number one thing I hear when people come to me for help is like, how many can't afford that? Right? And I'm like, oh, I really want to help you. Like and so I'm trying to. Right. And you don't want you don't want to discount all your years of schooling and all of it.

Yeah. You've done like you have value to bring to the table. Yeah. To be able to share it. I mean, that's perfect. Yeah. Like we're going to share that a lot like try to get your zoom. Is there a max capacity that there. There's not. Okay. At least not right now. Maybe once if we're having, you know, 100 people in it, then I might have to, like, split it up into a few different sessions that people could choose from.

And but right now, where it's brand new, it's just that once a week and I'll just tailor as I go if I need to. But yeah, it's it was so powerful. Monday. Last Monday the fifth was our first meeting and it was incredible to sit and listen and and I record them. So if you happen to miss a week or if you join at any time during May, you're going to have all of the meetings from May that you can go back and rewatch.

And then there's a private Facebook community that you can get on, and we can further do the the discussion, because there's always, always more to talk about. All right. As we close out the podcast, will you just leave a bit of advice with our listeners? You know, obviously you have plenty to share. So leave a bit of advice with those who are joining us today.

Sure. So the one thing and this kind of goes right into why I created the group, but you are exactly like the five people you hang out with the most. So if the five people you hang out with the most are negative or not working on themselves or not being the best versions of themselves, you are also going to be just like that.

And so surrounding yourself with people who are growing, learning, striving to be better, striving to do more is going to give you a whole lot like a a more of a leg up than than any other thing you could be doing. So great. Okay, throw out your your website one more time. It is Sierra Nicole coaching.com. And then yeah Facebook and Instagram is where you can find me.

And I'm pretty active on there. So thank you so much for joining. Thank you for having me. Let's hear.

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