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Speaker 2:And we're cutting it short. You're fixing stuff. We're gonna do that to you mid, mid, mid, whatever you do. Are you in a toy shop? Is that a toy shop?
Speaker 3:No, I'm not. I'm in my way to come downstairs because he's watching the TV show. Man, my deep way room.
Speaker 2:We are joined for, yet again, another version of part air. We have Lucas stealth here with us. Man, you've been busy, dude. Oh, you have been. You have been all over the world and then back and then went back over to New York to do stuff and, yeah, I watched some of the video. I watched some of the guys compete over the weekend in Not a terrible way of man Peyton Jacobson yeah, good lord, almighty, some other guys getting getting some lumps, learning some lessons. What are, what are some of the things you took away from Bill Ferrell?
Speaker 3:Um, took away from it, I think. Well, I think the main thing is is that I think two things. One, I think we're doing the right thing. Yeah, and they had. The guys see and it's just that play of bluntly is like they see the failure of not going Greco sooner, like okay, so like we have guys like ash to me's and we have guys in there that are real close, I mean yep, like they're, they're further ahead than Peyton and all of a sudden, ben, you're at the same time frame, you know, back when they were that age.
Speaker 3:But, still they could be. They could be as far as long as the foreigners if they would have started earlier, you know so they're that slow, you know.
Speaker 2:So he's had a really good match against that problem, you know yeah, yeah, me, me said that one match where he he was way down, yeah, and got on top of the guy, just started rolling him like I was surprised and how easy it was for him to roll. I'm, he just was on a roll got up.
Speaker 3:That was, that was Hannah.
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm talking, I'm talking, meese.
Speaker 3:I watched a me. He was yeah, he was, um he his first match. Actually he wrestled a guy. I don't know. I know I'm a known by no yeah, you know. Down big and he came back in the last minute in one on yes one one yeah yes.
Speaker 3:You know, you know the problem here, you know. So it's like we travel. He means comes off a great season last year, high school wrestling, and then wins Fargo and Greco, I mean yep, touch them, and then we, and then we go overseas. I Send the boys overseas by themselves a lot of times, yeah, and so I was with the girls. Long story short. So yep, can't be with. So once he with the Malacoup, and in last year he placed there, I think, four or five, you know maybe a thrice this year.
Speaker 3:He didn't place. He went to and to and I know what happened. You know I told me no. I thought sorry about later on but I, you know he got he was wrestling a Fargo type Greco and where you can really aggressive, you can be super put, you really push and drive and you know a lot of action where the foreigners are Highly technical. They're really good at using you against you, yeah, especially not. We know how to control. You see freestyle as well, like Gilman a couple years ago got thrown in your arms row pushing too hard and they couldn't come back. Couple times, yeah, and they have to freestyle that to Americans.
Speaker 3:But anyways, so that happened, we come to this term, we. So we, a thousand germ of the girls. I was at albina, germany, blah, blah, blah, blah, or back in New York, right this last weekend. Yeah and hey, you know. I says hey, you know, right, the work hard You're really, you're small. You're small little kid, you know.
Speaker 3:He was you're a little 18 year old kid wrestling 20 year old kids. Guys, where I'm out, where I'm out, well, you know he's trying to resolve Fargo. He's still in that mode of transitioning to the international type style more.
Speaker 3:Yeah more senior style, where you have to like be more. We talk about um, you know you'd be the bowl and then be the bullfighter. So, the bowl, you're trying to push guys around and plan fight. Well, you want to score on bullfighter? Yeah, you want to score points on bullfighter. More like Muhammad Ali, sound like you know so he's just, he gets stuck in the rut. He's been, he did a good job.
Speaker 3:He's been doing a better job of playing both roles, but you could you watch that Matthew talked about he was playing bullfighter or playing ball. Push, push, push. They got to my bounce place for force and I'm like, oh, these guys, these dudes have been around. Unless you push for a reason, he can't chase them. So Came to the corner, we talked and then he just Sticked to the plan. Blah, blah, yeah, I go. I go. Stop looking for pushouts, look for takedowns.
Speaker 3:You know push the guy on his own, let him wrestle, score takedowns. He's our scoring takedowns, you know, with ducklanders and dregs.
Speaker 2:Yep two points, yeah, anyways it's interesting you mentioned that the style that you're talking about as far as the ball and the bullfighter, because the way you're coaching Hannah no, not Hannah Avery, when she was wrestling she was she was getting called for passivity and you kept saying, in the corner You're like, keep doing what you're doing there's just keep wrestling the way you're wrestling. And in my mind, as just a spectator of the sport right, a US spectator of the sport I'm thinking like she's got to pick a pace up, like she's getting called for passivity, yeah, but you're just like the whole time, you're just like, no, stay doing what you're doing, you're doing just fine. She was pulling her tight, keeping her in tight, trying to trying to work anything she could at that angle. But it was interesting to hear you and now you know, just to hear you reiterate that, because yeah, we were coaching that you were telling.
Speaker 3:Well, you know you sell and Greco are not folk style and obviously Greco's not. You know Greco and freestyle more related Technic, not technically strategy wise, sure. Yeah then it is great. Folk style, because this goes to folk style rules and in the edge rules are different in folk style and yeah.
Speaker 3:It's just the sport you know, and so in freestyle, in a backhoe you really want to use, there's the center of the map, there's the activity zone where like, say, that would be the blue now and you have orange with his own, and you have in activity zone, which is the out of bounds, which is still there too as well different in folk style. So you got a wrestle really in freestyle. You really have to wrestle different, different, different strategies in those zones. Yeah can't go forward, forward, forward forward.
Speaker 2:Good price you're gonna get it off with the AV on that match.
Speaker 3:You know she's talking. Abysm just turn 18 years old. She's still in high school. Super young, super tiny too.
Speaker 3:So she's she is yes well and she just came back to massive injuries. So she just had only one tournament in in Germany actually. But oh, and she's wrestling a senior level athlete from a second standard. How do you say that country? A girl comes out there and you can see the abs through the singlin and this girl like, and you could, yeah, this girl's, just you could wait this girl's jack. I go. So hey, just this, this, kill the clock.
Speaker 3:Yeah you guys close, keep that clock to stay in the middle, don't go to the zone, and this is fun of us and you know, just take the shot clock, take the shot clock. Yeah, and it will be the shot like the first period. We'll go after shot like the second period.
Speaker 3:Go up one one and we'll play that game you know, so I went well, we played that game really good in the second period but then the girl got to us and the muscle got twisted see level got to us, he's got and I'm getting tech. But she did a good job of like making that mask last as long as possible you know, and I'm just out there and doing like all going for broke you know the six.
Speaker 3:And then we talked about I was talking to some coaches there Just shooting shit and we're all talking. I'm like, yeah, I get these folk style coaches. I deal with the company freestyle record world and the athletes come over and they coach minute one the same as a coach minute six, even a folk style. You buy because Joe play a minute, you know.
Speaker 3:Obviously different scores and the pat and the soy stallings and folk style. They're coaching definitely between periods one and three or a record freestyle. Same thing between how you're wrestling. Minute one get pretty. Minute four, five and six is completely different right, I'm gonna call and what's all going on? She's got to have a strategy. We have a, really like we have a template for all the wrestlers for free stuff. Okay. Yeah we're doing and then we also. We let the athlete obviously Wrestler style within that template, you know yeah so you do watch the girls in the guys.
Speaker 3:You're kind of falling at a basic template how we want to match, done fold, yeah. But yeah, I thought it'd be a good job. Then you yeah, I mean sometimes you hear how, if you pass, you mean folks does, happens to Whatever. Every starts chirping like Say whatever to the ref, co-wrestler, and then they stop running the arm bar like oh crap, referee, he's not a coach, you know they were kind of barking at you a little bit, yeah, yeah don't listen to that guy, just keep doing.
Speaker 3:You, do it. Yes, yeah, this is what we want to do. We're going to go over and play a shot. Clock match.
Speaker 2:They were coming after you a little bit. I can't remember if it was give, it was gutter you were talking to, but there was a in between and the referee, like you were showing, you were showing something, do them on the size of that and and and they were. I can't remember if it was a score, but you guys had time. Like it wasn't like you, they were about to start up, like you guys had time, and he's like hey, hey, you guys don't be doing like, what is he doing wrong?
Speaker 3:like you guys, yeah, fix the clock there that was after me smash and so I was kind of playing it. I got yellow card. That match, did you really? Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh, to the third, third match to turn that. We have like all day all the women's freestyle which the yellow card doesn't transform a woman's freestyle.
Speaker 3:So it's a different sort, so it's right there but I was like not got set on my hands all day, you know. So, right, they got me. What they got me for was coaching them. They got the yellow card me for kind of going on and Matt coached in between, see, when he went out of bounds. Yeah, whatever, push out of ever. And so I ran out there to kind of talk to him, and they'll play over there. Yeah, that's kind of playing the game to get some coaching and you know, and they're like no.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I did that two or three times. They thought he hit me with the yellow card. You know Well, what happened was he was the last score he was. He was down by one or two. He runs them out for the one, one for one, one.
Speaker 3:I'm like and I'm looking and they're not, and they're the guys. Calm the whistles, calm for one and one cost you one. Yeah, I'm looking at the judge, looking at the chair, and they're kind of like just Dilling around and look at the scoreboard like nothing's changing. So I start screaming make the call, make the call. And they're like yep, well, they yellow. You guys smile at me, goes, sit down. And they gave me the one one we want to match, you know. But I was like you gotta get, but you can't, they can't take four hours To throw the calls up, decide the score. Yeah, the clock, and I we're at final X with Alston and they made some call and I got the block in my hand and I'm looking at WK I think the black underhand because we're trying to figure out what the call is gonna be right, right, yeah, and all sudden they start wrestling and then, while the wrestling, they change the score.
Speaker 3:I'm like whoa, you can't start wrestling and the goddamn score is so I pull the block and I won. I want to call. Yeah, I was like Shout across hello person. Oh Sammy, you guys start the goddamn clock at the scoring right. This is. This is final X, is it like my crap?
Speaker 2:This is the shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like yeah, you know, but yeah, so I get pretty heated. You know I've got, I'm working hard, I'm spending a lot of time here. Oh my shit. I expect the referee to be the same way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, you care. You care about what's going on. So I'm been watching, so like gunner. Gunner seemed like he was a little under size too for the guys he was wrestling.
Speaker 3:Yes, he's a tweener. We call you, you heard that before a tweener.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he's like 65, kill guy 60 okay 63 is pretty shredded for him.
Speaker 3:He could make that but unfortunately 67 is the way class, there's no 63, 65, so he's kind of stuck there. Yeah, he'll grow into it, I think. But you know that. You know it wasn't too long ago, every Olympics day changed the way classes, so he might change way class. You got a kind of kind of. You got a kind of watch what happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 3:Gunners going through a funk right now. I mean he's well, he's, you know, if these things like he's just having a hard time right now when it matches like he'd be winning matches to do something, and just we're talking, he's wrestling scene of events now where the Greco let's do the Greco and freeze a little bit in folk style like Greco and freeze are not. When I say dangerous, I don't mean like physically dangerous, like it hurt, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say like one mistake.
Speaker 3:The match is over. Right, I mean you know you know you give up a pen inside the stage, they all I'm gonna get. Hence it's. I'm gonna go down, give it up to someone. I'm gonna come back up. Boom, get the leg less matches over.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know, like no good trap them gutted or, in Greco, a bylock. You know it can, it can happen fast. So nobody knew it. The score is never safe and and so, like, when you make one mistake, you're doing good. That's why, in Greco, we're watching the hand, like, so you know, if you don't know record, you're watching the hand fight and how they're leaning and, of course, the way going and you can.
Speaker 3:You can see it for me, I guess, even mile away, like what ass right how many too quick, or they start pushing the hand instead of like bringing her body in. They're drug the mess over. One mistake, that's over it's. So there's six minutes of the mask. Could be over any second. So at this at the cadet and say, fuck, you can make four or five mistakes, because there are guys that get some rate mistakes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, right level.
Speaker 3:It's who makes the mistake and it's only it's one mistake. It's like it's like like folks down, like you say a high school, say, the rest is like the guy doesn't make the mistakes Probably do, well, you know right, yeah, same idea.
Speaker 2:Yep, strike first blood first with. With the tournament, though just kind of watching and you mentioned that, the kind of taking too long to figure out points I saw a couple different matches that were like that where when a block got thrown the challenge was correct. I you could tell what the guy wanted to challenge, but there was like everything in between seemed to take forever. And it wasn't every match. I'm not saying it was a terrible tournament, it was just he kind of noticed that there was like this lag on some of these mats.
Speaker 3:Well, I talked a lot of people in Gretland, freestyle women, freestyle yeah, especially I mean we. I had challenged a few challenges unlike Well, if I don't know, doesn't take this long, I wouldn't challenge good either a girl right, yeah yeah, I can forever well and the guys are like ready.
Speaker 2:You know, that's the other thing too. It's a competition side of it. The guys that are wrestling there, they've been wrestling now for what? Maybe two minutes or a minute and they're ready to go. Now, all of a sudden, they're cooling down their, their bodies, completely, changing to how they work them. You know, just just 30 seconds ago Now it's like 510, 15 minutes, and they're trying to make changes. So it's a little frustrating sometimes.
Speaker 3:But I tell you, that's why blacks, I tell you and I mean this is factual. Yeah the worst block thorns we have. The United States is a male, freeze male, as MFS is, like the men, freestyle coach really. They'll throw a block in the first 20 seconds for a push out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like you got six minutes to wrestle. You know ways to block and a push out or take down the edge. You'll put yourself in situations like in grackle or really strategic. I'm just stuck on the Greco side. I just watched them in freestyle team. Yeah, and I'm talking how the coach will throw in blocks. I'm like, okay, yeah, you're right, but it's not worth the gamble losing that block. Right.
Speaker 3:Ron, now the other guys gonna throw is gonna go fours and twos and run off the mat and quit and you on your block, block to their match. And what we say in Greco is this if your athlete loses the match and you have the block, it's your fault.
Speaker 2:Let's see what Keaton has to say.
Speaker 3:You know what you don't want to blow the block too soon, but you don't ever want a little block either. So, like we have a guy I got, I got a good, you know poker. You have a 21 sheet, a little cheat card like what you know. You know, we have a cheat card like, okay, first 30 minute, we're not going to block, we're not gonna. We're not gonna block, no matter why. You better not be that stupid, you know. And don't and don't put yourself in a position to make red freeze, make those kind of calls right okay, going into the first period, is we're going to the block on fours?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, four points.
Speaker 3:It's good, this is what the calls yeah, and you go to the, didn't go to the break, and now it's second period. Now you're challenging. You know you're really watching what to challenge with? Not to channel like files you know, is there a massive like file there or challenging that. But you can sometimes like many of times I have been in the corner and I'm like, oh, that's totally our points, but you can happen a Hannah twice. So like these are our point, I can't challenge it. So first three, six in a match.
Speaker 3:Yeah it's only a one or two point game. I'll get that girl the two points.
Speaker 2:I'll challenge something later on for four, you know it sounds like you're old for 37 at Fargo with blocks, though According to Keaton Cleaver says you're old 37 for Fargo blocks.
Speaker 3:I am. I am in Fargo internationally. Yeah really good.
Speaker 2:But plus one has yellow cards.
Speaker 3:I tell you. I tell you what I do. I do much better on blocks at the higher level, but that okay. I go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I forget about it.
Speaker 3:Oh, I tell you nothing happens it. Hannah said it had a hand about this up. She goes as soon as you get a yellow card. Yeah never won the challenge. Really, you get a yellow card. You're screwing us, they're like the floor.
Speaker 2:They're good to the other girl If they're rest of our Over the message, the rest of where you said watch out for that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm telling right now, if you think referees don't get a little bit, whatever, there there's just humans too, you know oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, it's all fun games.
Speaker 2:So so, with, with the, with the performance at Bill Ferrell, you guys have been across the pond, you guys went overseas. How we're, how we're things over there, I mean, is our.
Speaker 3:Where the competition's fruitful, I guess, is the question yeah, the boys with the Malacoup and we've been going after like forever. Yeah, I didn't go to it this year with them. I usually don't go that one anymore of them.
Speaker 2:It's just kind of what you want with the girls.
Speaker 3:I'm with the girls and my daughter and the girls and the girls. Yeah, I just you know, um, but anyways, and there's only two girls, so the kind of love you know, there's like ten guys going or so.
Speaker 2:So last the babysit Huh. Well that's the babysit, let's the babysit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the girls are. The girls are way more sufficient. The guys are good too, though. You know they've been a lot of the guys have been overseas a lot, so they don't have to like. You know it's going on, you know, and, but anyways, no that Malacoup's a good tournament, it's. You know what they do there. They go junior to seniors.
Speaker 3:So if you're a junior, or so seniors, okay, it's like you, 23 on now. And then cadets is cadets. We had three champions, you know, at the truck Russell, well, they're okay, but we had did Russell. Well, this can't we have, we have, we have. We have this kid coming up from Connecticut. Okay, he's been trained for you've been trained for us two or three years. He's a real young kid. He won it. He's doing work, he's gonna be one of our big, next big things coming up through Okay. And then the other, like everybody's, with two and two, two and three, three and two and then in place, but that's a big tournament. So, yeah, there's the first competition of the year, and so we spend I made a video before but this but we spent September, october just on skills like no.
Speaker 3:Zero wrestling with no running. No, we're lifting but no wrestling. Live Trying to learn how to wrestle pretty much.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. And then we go to Malacoup. It's all I do, tips. I use the fall like Malacoup in the German experience with the girls and we, now we go to now we'll go back up in Norway again We'll go back to Sweden. I Used the tours, the competition in camps to kind of get us into Conditioning. You know so. It's not so like all we got to run today. You know so I try to use the Training and then competition in and the camps with the competition to help us get in shape. So, okay, they're out of shape going into that tournament. So it's kind of like to see how I wrestle and they're fresh when they're tired. No, we're making mistakes, we're tired. Okay, that's gonna happen. We're making a special. We're making mistakes, we're fresh, okay, let's see what's the way that problem yeah we're evaluating, but I was happy with that.
Speaker 3:I was happy with the bill Ferrell, with the guys in Greco, obviously. I think me, I thought me honestly, I thought me to place top four to very least. I knew Peyton was the man which we have. We have three guys at a certain we have Payton Jacobson, aaron Dobbs and asked him east of 77.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, I didn't watch Bob's, but yeah. Yeah, so.
Speaker 3:I really knew that. You know on paper it's probably go. You know I can go. I'd take up said Dobbs Aston, but I really thought we sneak in at top four there. Just in place. You know, I knew Peyton was probably gonna qualify right and we had to wait the next one by way, but we but I was really happy with the Aston's performance Because the mistakes that were made were mental mistakes and education. What's the reason? We know like like we're winning the match. Stay in the damn middle.
Speaker 2:You were saying that the whole time. Yep yeah.
Speaker 3:And he went to this and then he went to the zone, got taken down and lost the lesson. So and I would have been talk to him In the way you talk to an athlete that does something like that. You know, Me and Ashley are super close so you can have that relationship with an athlete. You know, but, um and I talked to gunner. Gunner's a little different. I don't have to get into his ear, I usually just talk to him or call me. He's a little different athlete, so hand in a very.
Speaker 3:I can really hand in a very. I can treat Like I can. Just I can really get into the ear Hand is actually so hard on herself. A lot of times she steals my thunder. She'll lose and she's so hard on herself.
Speaker 2:I'm like well hey, it'll look pretty good. Yeah, you're worse, you're hard on yourself.
Speaker 3:I get eat. Like you know, I also got to build her up. It's so bad, so I got right. We're working on that a little bit, but um but, no overall with the girls.
Speaker 3:Uh, I thought Hannah wrestled, amazed at the 80%, perfectly for her for getting into that senior level. Yeah, I was like for where we're at in training. I mean I think everything went the way should have. I mean, if we, if I want to play top four, I think it really, I think it would have been, I would think the tournament would, it would have been probably a little weak, you know we're going in no conditioning.
Speaker 3:No, no, we're not in shape. You know we're overweight, we're not 100% and we're we're 18 old kids, 17 old kids on a Russell senior. So you know, now do we publish in a place where we're placed? We break into that forum. I'm super happy. But you know what? Everything happened. Where we're supposed to be at, we leave on um Wednesday. We leave Wednesday to go back to Norway for a couple weeks.
Speaker 2:So so yeah, that's part of the plan, man, I mean that's.
Speaker 3:and then we go to Texas and then we're done. Then, after Texas, then we don't go anywhere for uh till and it and maybe February.
Speaker 2:So okay, okay, back to the lab. So you sent me a little something a while back, yeah, and so let, I'm gonna bring it up, because what's that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, a little text reminder or something. You sent me a text today. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, you sent it to me, so I resented to you because you know, yeah, you wanted to talk about it, so I wanted to because I went through our text, because it was a while, yeah, so looking at it. So Wade shallis, I know Wade shallis via catch wrestling, right yeah so what's that?
Speaker 3:I just don't have them.
Speaker 2:I don't know him from, I just yeah and again, it's not just watching the documentaries and things that I've watched is he brought up in his article on his facebook post about how Greco, roman, we're not even existent. He, like the top, not even making the top five Out of. I think he said like the last 50 athletes that were supposed to kind of thing. So touch on that. You said you wanted to kind of to talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 3:Well his post, was it wrong? I mean, there's nothing wrong with what he said.
Speaker 2:I mean no, no, no right, yeah, no, nothing like that.
Speaker 3:And, um, I don't disagree, and I don't disagree with anything. He's saying Yep, yep, problem I have with it, mm-hmm problem I have it. You can go, like I, me, I can go out there and say, here, guy wrestling, friesta wrestling, blah, blah, blah, because I and I'm not trying to break this factual or an assault kid or um, my buddy from Alaska, west Parker, ken, or anybody co, or um, zach Dominguez, ken, um, anybody, coached women's peace like a beautiful miss pizza. I've been coaching folks, not because you won't put whatever you know, whatever you're in. You have the right to kind of call your own, your own, your own people out. Yeah, but if you got a guy like this, no matter who he is, I don't care who he is, and we have some.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna talk to some people in Grecco a little bit too. I'm yeah, but is you, can't? You can do it every once. It's just with racing mode America. But the problem with that post was All it was was the same old bullshit. Poor me, cry, cry, cry. It's not our fault. We suck in Grecco is because some organization that that holds our UWW Sanctioning is. They don't give enough. They don't give us enough money, they don't pat us in the head enough.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:It was all a poor me. Yeah why we suck is totally not our fault, it's not the coach's fault, it's not the athlete's fault at the parents fault. It's totally the organization's fault because they're not spending five more cents on us. We're a bullshit reason they came up with. He was on his no, yeah, I went out there. You're totally fucking wrong.
Speaker 3:Yeah fuck it wrong and you can prove. There's the numbers. You could give Grecco Roman obviously money matters. You could give Grecco Roman, wrestling in in like a real wide brush, a billion dollars, yep, right now, and we would have zero different results. Zero Because you have to go back like gymnastics. Does we go about gymnastics again?
Speaker 3:I'm gonna know thing, but it's that we have to go back to step one, like if you take over a high school, if you take over a high school wrestling program, uh for football program or whatever, yeah, yeah, you might. You might have an immediate impact, like you might see some immediate impact of like being in condition a little bit Tweaks, but you're not going from shit to shine in three months in one season. It's gonna take five to seven, eight years. It's gonna take time. Unless you recruit, unless you bring a bunch of dudes in and Uh, start quarterback and like they do an NFL. That's a little different. I'm gonna say no if you keep the core people you came, you know if you got there.
Speaker 3:It's taking up. Because what are you gonna do? You gotta start a youth program, get the youth program going and blah blah, blah blah and that's a five, eight, nine, ten year process. So you're not gonna see any dividends for 10 years on this investment.
Speaker 2:You're talking about culture, you know.
Speaker 3:We talk about buy-in and all that buy-in All that stuff you know. So I mean look at all the great programs in Wisconsin, this high school wrestling just from big. It's a ton of a massive correlation, all about parents and yes youth wrestling and all this stuff. The coach is obviously a part of it, but For you to come in and have none of that, we have none of you. Greco-hulman wrestling, greco-hulman wrestling in the United States is like that school that has no wrestling. Nothing is the basketball school, maybe right, right you got like eight man football.
Speaker 3:It's just so small, Yep you know like okay. We want you to. We want you to be the number one team in the nation and wrestling in one year Right you could get a billion dollars. I see you like it, I have to do it in from Europe, the Russell for you and Greco, they're gonna happen. So that's the death the thing with his, his post. I got so mad because it offers. He's like here's the problem. Now, like I said, he's not wrong.
Speaker 3:He's not wrong, right In fact, the problem with it is he him himself. One, two he offers none the solutions, he offers no solutions. And he's doing nothing himself right so. To me he's just a typical armchair quarterback, a drunk kid, and there aren't you know some drunk dad. I see they got, I got. I have a local bar next to me. Now I could I would stop after I'm done ducking efficient and they're wearing nascar jackets or the quarterback.
Speaker 3:I think I said they're drunk in there screaming about whoever's. New quarter, new practice. People are. These guys love apotheos and and I can't stand it. That's how I look at that crap. And.
Speaker 3:I'm like yeah you can get you a lump until you're spending one money, time and energy. You need to shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Sit down, teach your half-delsons and sprawling a junior high and shut the fuck up. That's what needs. I'm gonna fuck who he is. Yeah, right, right, right, and we have in the number one thing we got killing Greco-Roman wrestling in the United States. Isn't folk star wrestling isn't. Isn't other other sports, it's Greco-Roman wrestling people.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's them so many.
Speaker 3:Greco-Roman wrestling people are like, they have these accolades, are like oh yeah, you can totally, totally wait till you're 22 years old and then start looking at Greco or some you know, oh, look at me, look at this one bullshit, and I'm like this is the same shit you hear from a lot of high level athletes going to a sport and say, well, this is what I did.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you see that.
Speaker 3:You know, like, like it'd be. Like it'd be like being Barry Sanders. Yeah, you hire, and Barry Sanders is a running back home say business. What's what I do? I run 135 yards back and forth in four years and in four yards down field because I'm 500 people miss. Well, that's one dude can do that type of you know that action. So it's just like that's what you see from these guys and I hear them too like the same level, the same Greco-Roman wrestling people we have. They're very accolated. They're like, oh, if the organization, if the organization would pay the money, if the organization, it's the referees, if the referees were better, blah, blah you know it's gotta be grass roots fire.
Speaker 3:Nice, I love that shit too, but. But the reality is. Yeah they're blaming everybody but themselves. But they're blaming everybody but what they can do. And these same wrestling people at the athletes coaches. They're spending zero of their own money. They might run a camp or game. Right runs some bullshit, but I'm talking about real fucking money.
Speaker 3:I'm talking about real money, cash, yeah, real checks. Build a facility training Greco-Roman wrestling, traveling the world, doing it not just on the camp. I'm gonna promote it. Show up with my stupid medal and they could be happy, as some folks right, then you know, this is the plan we have in Greco-Roman wrestling this fucking catch casting guy, whatever the fuck his name is.
Speaker 3:He's over here saying, oh, blah, blah, blah, dude, great, yeah Well, congratulations. Everybody sees the fucking car crash. Tip shit, right, you can see the fucking car crash, you dumb motherfucker. We need a fucking solution and they're fucking solutions so fucking simple.
Speaker 3:These little pussies won't fucking do it. They won't. And then the only reason these pussies won't do it is because they're working coaches. They rely on coaching in the sport of Greco or wrestling to pay their mortgage payment. And that's when you do that, when you rely on that to pay your payment, you're not doing your job. I mean, you're not helping Greco.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly Exactly. You're doing it for yourself. The money's not there.
Speaker 3:The money's not there in Greco.
Speaker 2:You're doing it for yourself, but so okay. So here's the thing, though like with the growth and trying to promote, like because that's what we're talking about here is promotion and getting people to like the sport, right, I mean, you can't just blame it on USA Wrestling when there are so, like we've buddied up with Greco United, right, we think what those guys are doing is great Trying to raise awareness. Those guys are trying to raise money for guys too, to be able to get to Bill Ferrell and help guys out, right. So that's kind of where we've gotten involved with a lot of it is because we think that a lot, a lot of these guys it's the same thing, like it's if it were a small time dude that's coming in behind Jordan Burroughs, like you can't compete with it and you're not gonna get the money because you're not making the splash.
Speaker 2:But at the same point, though, too, how do you help yourself then? How do you? If he's not giving solutions? What does? What would a guy like him be able to do to help Greco Roman Wrestling, getting out and giving money to a group? Like, how do we help you guys? I guess that's what some people wanna know is how do we help you?
Speaker 3:Well, I would think the number one thing is sort of for this guy, for like a guy like this, guys like that, the number one thing they can do is not spend a dime. The number one thing they can do is, if they're a coach, let's say, cause he's a coach, right, His coach is bite the bullet. Take their ego, shove up their ass and say I see a kid in sixth, seventh grade that really is interested in Greco, Get him into Greco, get him into Greco, Get him into.
Speaker 3:Greco people and then see, with that talent, talent or we wanna call that- whatever talent interest, ability, that's all that can be, whatever. And then by eighth grade say they're gonna say this kid loves Greco he loves. All he wants to do is Greco Boom. Get him out of folk style, get him out of basketball, get him out of all the sports, get him in Greco. Stop saying, well, maybe next year we need you for this team state title, we need you for the football soccer team.
Speaker 3:Me and Perler do not see me and Perler not like me, but me and him are like fire, nice and something. But a lot of the city said, huh, oil and water, yeah Well, whatever I mean a lot of shit he's, but I agree with a lot of stuff he says, but it's just in my context. You know, Sure, sure, but our argument is more like first Greco I'm sorry folks up versus speech, but anyways, it's more just a bar room kind of bar, still talk.
Speaker 3:But, he had something out there that was real good. He was like hey, it's not your. If you're an athlete in a small school, move, move. If you stay in that small environment like, well, you know, I'm not. I never got to D1 because I was in a school that didn't go to cheese heaven saying you know whatever you think who's at?
Speaker 3:your school's fault? Your fault, move, motherfucker. You know, move. Oh, I got to go for football because you know you only have 30, no, say no, motherfucker, stop being a pussy. You know, I had to go drink beer with the guys because you know I don't want to be, I don't want to be, I don't want to be.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be a fuck up the same goddamn thing. The same goddamn thing.
Speaker 3:So with this guy here, the number one thing with anybody in his position, don't spend any money, don't run a tournament, don't run training, don't do any that. And you could? I mean like that's a lot of energy, you can, that's a lot of energy.
Speaker 2:He invests more in a catch wrestling than anything.
Speaker 3:Well, that's fine, but what he used to do if he sees a guy in one of those camps or practices and says, and some Grecoys or whatever and says he like say you see a guy in there, it's like five, nine and he likes to.
Speaker 3:You see, he likes, just likes to want to wrestle a certain way and say maybe he even heard a Grecoil. He introduced Grecoil to all the teams, all the guys from one little camp or some bullshit, in the spring, like we'd all do, and the guys that like it. See, you know what the kid comes to us and I'm excited he just saw all the time, cause I just love Greco. I love Greco. All I want to do is Greco. And.
Speaker 3:I go. Well, why don't you just go Greco all the time? Well, you know my mom and dad. When we wrestle in high school, they see me wrestle on Fridays. And football when we play football, they want me to play whatever. You know, my mom and dad are my coach. You know my buddies, my friends. There's like 30,000 excuses. But when I talk to the kid, he just wants to do Greco. But nobody, but nobody is supporting that, nobody.
Speaker 3:His parents are and nobody. And so and you, just, you hear these motivation talks all the time Get rid of your parents, get rid of all your friends, all that stuff. But obviously, when you're 13, 12 years old, you're kind of stuck. But that's the number one thing people like this can do is to just say you know what, our organization is not gonna spend any more money and I and I I'm gonna tell you around they should spend zero more money until we spend money ourselves. I'll give you an example. I agree. And then, well, we need more tournaments. Don't hold any more. The last thing we and I told this to an everybody who might know the tournament I wouldn't come to it just to support you guys. Yeah, the last thing Americans need to do is wrestle other Americans. That Greco will wrestle, come on.
Speaker 3:Sierra, that's true, very true I mean it's just to be able to do so. What that said is so the number one thing people can do. What 100% of people is identify or introduce Greco. You have to hate it, but if they really care about a person, they truly care about people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:If you could hate somebody like you could run. I say I dislike somebody or how they dislike a sport or activity or whatever. But if you really care about kids or athletes or people, you'll just say you know what the best thing for you. You're wasting your time in this folk style man because the guy that does one world's never in wrestling freestyle. The guys have never look at those best guys in the world. That's what they're doing. Go do the best guys in the world to do it, and this is what they're doing.
Speaker 3:And then you should help the guys you know and that's how I get my guys honestly, the coaches that can swallow their pride and their ignorance and their insecurities, and they're like that's who ends up in Bloorver, you know, but that's the simplest thing they could do. It takes no money, no energy. It just takes them saying I think you should do this, I support you.
Speaker 2:Endors it.
Speaker 3:I mean just help you and then give them information. That's the only thing I do. Nasa says you know what Probably staying high school wrestling Go on.
Speaker 2:The other thing that you don't like, cause you don't hear anybody talking about Greco Like you, don't. You hear about it because maybe a kid wrestled in it, you know, a couple of weeks ago at a tournament or something like that, before the season started. But you don't hear anybody saying, especially a parent I will put it as a parent. You don't hear a parent saying, hey, I really, I'm really think we're just gonna give up on this folk style high school stuff. We're gonna get our kid into Greco. You don't even hear it about freestyle, right. You don't even hear it about international styles in general. Now, obviously, if a kid's gonna go to college, maybe there's that talk because there's the RTC at the college, kind of thing, but you don't hear parents talking about. You know, billy is gonna go to so-and-so college and they've got a really great college program, but I think he's gonna break off and do freestyle more. You don't even hear that.
Speaker 2:So the international styles as far as how inundated we are with folk style cause it's our style, right, it's what we have here when you don't have the promotion like women's soccer doesn't have the promotion they don't have, they win. Sure, you know, but you know people argue they lose against high school kids, but still the championships they've won is more than what the men have won. So why aren't they selling more and doing more? Cause their promotion sucks. They don't know how to promote their sport. They don't know how to promote the side of it.
Speaker 3:Well, that's old enough, all of a rack strip.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you're right, right, but it's-.
Speaker 3:It's simply promotion. Yeah, it's simple.
Speaker 2:So there's promotion's a big part of it, but then, at the same time, though, too, like you said, the culture, the culture isn't here, whereas overseas, you know things like that, they've been doing it since they were four or five years old, and they don't force them to it, it's a work in progress thing, whereas we're like slammed into it, you know six years. We gotta figure it out when they've been doing it for 12, 18 years. Where do we find a healthier solution to be able to get people to understand that it's not about being better than the other one, it's about growing it all together. Because, honestly, if you're a part of wrestling, you like wrestling somehow right and having a folk style guy saying like well, don't listen to that Greco dude, he's a piece of shit and he sounds like an idiot when he talks, but this freestyle guy is just as dumb. So we don't really have like a consensus. It's like Greco has been separate. Freestyle has always been kind of separate. Folk style has always been separate.
Speaker 2:Two kids love folk style and freestyle. Well, one kid over here really loves Greco, but that Greco dream is less likely than the freestyler folk style. Now, is the aggressiveness of the sport a part of it, the possibility of getting hurt a little more frequently than in freestyle or folk style, and you may have a statistic that argues it, but there's a lot of throwing. You know it's just talked about. You know guys getting caught on the edge? If they're, you know they're putting the rug pressure and trying to be the bull and they should have been the bull trainer while they got trained, right. Yeah, do you get a lot of that feedback from parents as far as, like, we'd really love to, but we feel like he's going to get killed.
Speaker 3:No, I don't get that. I don't. I never get the injury issue. I would say this. There was a study done. That was actually a study done. Not too well, it's been a long time ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I was actually overhearing a conversation between two high level dressing people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they were talking about there was this study and this guy that the group of people was trying to push women's freestyle I'm sorry, push women's women's college wrestling to folk style, back to folk style. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And I was going to say they were trying to. Their whole idea with their whole selling point was that folk style was safer physically than freestyle. So they did this study and it came out just the opposite that folk style was way more dangerous than freestyle. You know, because of the problem. The problem was the folk style was, and the women's part was shoulder injuries and concussions. There was more concussions than folk style because when you folks tell you can't go back, which it's go forward, and so women in general well, not women, but 100% of Americans don't learn how to fall. You know, because I see it, I see it. And so when you think?
Speaker 3:of guys forward and their head is to met forward and takes their neck back. The concussion happens way more frequently, this than if it folds forward. And so if you learn gymnastics, learn to hollow hold, so you'll do a lot less concussions in freestyle and greco than in some folk style and there's a lot, but it's a hard thing to prove because it's like in the United States there's a million more folk style matches. So if you're taking, you know I mean, if your survey is a year of folk style, there's probably out of how many folk style matches and how many freestyle matches. So that was the thing they found out, that a freestyle is safe for anyways, but so yeah, no, I don't ever get.
Speaker 3:I mean, I get some stupid comments from me and I'm like, oh, I don't want myself to get caught in leg lace. I'm like what and go over and play badminton and get out of here. You know you're not gonna make it folk-style either, because you're about to get clobbered in the head and arm barred anyways, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I don't think that the number one.
Speaker 3:The number one thing I get why people don't go folk style, I'm pretty sure record is I think it's hard to say what they're more than, but the number one thing to me is like they're just scared. They're scared not and I mean this in the most honest way the parents and the kids, not the kids so much the parents are scared not to have something to go watch and hang their head on every week, because in folk style wrestling you get to watch a dole meter two a week, a tournament a week and if you lose, and if you lose, you get to redeem that loss within 72 hours, pretty much.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, and so in Greco and in freestyle, and that's, we lost a real. We had a really good female athlete and we lost her because she went to go to high school wrestling and we were like, okay, we're not doing that. And me and the father had a big falling out and the one that comments was you guys, only Ross, you only have to train for three tournaments a year. I'm like, well, yeah, there's world team trials.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's two. Actually there's two of the big ones.
Speaker 3:You know there's only two we care about and the other we're gonna do US Open and we're gonna do Fargo and all that, but they're just for training, and so it's like the mentality of the American is this constant stimulation of like, winning Like, and I think that's why I'm so against all that high school wrestling being with but what?
Speaker 3:that said, is there's a time where we get to tone down that competition. So the number one reason I'm going to Greco, or what pulled them for each other, is because they want to go watch their kid wrestle, and in Greco, obviously we're overseas, so they have to watch it at three in the morning, or maybe not. Or maybe not, because we're wrestling in countries that you can't drink water and you know it's kind of like you're not gonna be able to watch your kid wrestle a lot.
Speaker 3:So, it's a ton of training, a ton of training with a little bit of competition, and that's just the way the system is in Greco women's feet.
Speaker 2:You guys have. Like you said, you guys have a bigger goal in mind, I mean as far as the kids aspirations, like, and it's so. Here's the thing. I think this is the other. This may be another part of it.
Speaker 2:So when you hear a child, right, a child say I want to go to the Olympics right Now, as a parent you're in your head, you're like, man, I'd love for you to go to the Olympics, right. And then you have another, the set of parents that are like, oh yeah, you know, the Olympics would be awesome, but you're probably never gonna get there. So when you have parents like that, or parents that are like, well, you're nine or you're 10, how do you know what you really want, kind of thing. Where, when you cause you talk about 12 years old, right, like 12 or 13, is the spot where you want these kids to start becoming individuals and individualized as far as what they want to do. You know, greco, freestyle, whatever. As far as international, it makes sense because that's what those guys are already doing.
Speaker 2:When a parent hears that, then they look at the dollar sign that's gonna be involved in getting to that point and, like you said, there isn't the glory, there isn't every other week or every week of being able to say you know, tommy did this and Tammy did that kind of thing, so the dollar signs can make sense, but you are able to do something, though, as well where and you don't try to make a room full of 200 kids, right? You're not trying to water anything down and loading it up. You're doing it with a purpose, and to me, that is building onto something I think is just as important as whatever Wade's talking about with USA Wrestling. The thing that's missing, though, is more of that. Why isn't there more of what you're doing? Are other people trying to, and it just didn't work for them? Like time wise? I mean funding, I mean hello, it cannot be easy. Are there people that have tried to do what you're doing and it didn't work?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I think that I'm sure there's gonna be like don't know, I tried it and it didn't work. But I do know of two or three people trying it and it is working. But everybody else trying, like Westbocker of Alaska, he's got a huge facility, but he also I think the one thing he told me like he's leading it into the Jitsu.
Speaker 3:So, I guess that's, I guess family, I guess that's a money maker because whole families joined up in the Jitsu class or Brazilian whatever, and all that. So he's retired military, so he's he's funny actually says so that's how he can do it. And then, like Zach Mingus has got a huge club but he's got like four guys. They're senior level. He doesn't have any connection, junior's going full time and I don't know, and I don't know why he doesn't or why you know if that's just his system or if it's just because he can't sell it or whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Right, oh, my God.
Speaker 3:And then there's Betterman, and then he's doing some of that stuff, but he only has like one or two guys.
Speaker 2:Where's Betterman on? Where's Betterman on?
Speaker 3:Joe Betterman down in Cuttle Springs. Okay, okay, he's got a kid coming at me and drew really, really good. He's in middle world too. He's in real deal. He's got a company, he's got a big club too where he's running Folk Style. So everybody else 100% of people trying to do what I'm doing are doing it through Folk Style still, and training like a club. Or yeah, they have to because they have company bills.
Speaker 2:Folk Style has a gateway drug. Folk Style has a gateway drug.
Speaker 3:It's a gateway drug Well it's the money you know so, and I dropped that about 70 years ago and I'll be honest with you, I used to make a lot more money. I used to make money in wrestling, but there came a time because I have a G time job, you know, and there came a time where I was like and I always despise, I mean I enjoyed the athletes. I mean I had to go to checkers and it didn't matter what you were doing, I just enjoyed taking some kid to know we wanted, and now he's winning state titles. I didn't even matter what.
Speaker 3:I was doing. I just enjoyed that. But there came a time like hey, these high school state champions aren't turning into record-roteam members, or freestyle-roteam members, they're not doing that right now.
Speaker 3:What are we doing wrong? And so then you said, okay, let's adjust, this is just a process. So when we said we adjusted one, we adjusted the goal set, okay, we're gonna stop rewarding state champions, blah, blah, blah. And so then we get to all that athletes. Okay, we gotta drop, we gotta drop, I gotta stop doing Folk Style, because that's the problem. It's. I just want you know, that's the problem. And so I did that 70 years ago, and now I've obviously lost 99% of my athletes. But for me it was, I can say, selfish kind of, because I want to be happy, I want to have a good time.
Speaker 3:I want to go to practice and be motivated and be like okay, I get to fucking focus up with three extra months and totally waste of time, you know, trying to get record-roteam there somehow. And in my brain was just like you're trying to do three, five, there's just too much. So I just dropped it and I said we're doing this the right way and I don't care what it cost me, I don't care if I lose money, I don't care if I got paid for everything you know.
Speaker 3:But I was financially able to do that for privately. And then what I did is I had, this is what I had. I was trying to sell it, trying to sell it to athletes and parents, low pay. I wanted to go go hold on Greco's. What we're going to do, this is the process. Nobody's buying, nobody's buying. And then finally I said, fuck it, we're doing this, I'm not doing any more folk style.
Speaker 3:And then I had one kid buy in, and then that kid bought in, and then that kid bought in, and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You know.
Speaker 3:And then and now it just keeps evolving, you know, and right now recruiting and about. I said I said about. I probably said I just had a conversation with Zach Dominguez at in team hands on it in in, uh, phil Ferrell, and I said I and I asked him. I said I probably sent out about two, two, two or three emails a month. That's it. And like real interest in coming to move into the blue or to train full time Greco. Okay, now that I can get.
Speaker 3:If I can get two or three athletes out of you know 30 emails, I'll be happy.
Speaker 3:And usually we're getting about two athletes a year out of about 30 emails. Okay. So in a lot of the reason why we're not getting them is one is because they want to see the kid compete. They can't unfathom the kind of lifestyle Um. Two, it's not the plan and a lot of it's not financial. I mean because they're spending most people and folks that are spending $15,000, $20,000 year right now If you're a 15, 16, you're a club's costing a two, three grand a year. Travel costs you, whatever it's costing you, you know you're spending close to 15 grand a year, depending on the country. So so that's. You know. That's probably where we're at for financial investment with all the two.
Speaker 3:If you did everything and you don't, we don't. We don't have to do anything with nothing. No, any manager is training. But what that said is it's not financial concern, it's usually about competition concerns, senior kid Um, and the mom wants it dead. She doesn't want it. It's 50, 50 and a parent thing which one want. I mean, I used to think the mom's always wanted it, the dad's didn't want it. It's about 50, 50 there we didn't have to be in that.
Speaker 3:but mom's like, well, I want him to go chase his dream. And the dad's like, no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna watch more Friday night Um it's 50, 50 and that, so it's usually somewhere there, but it's it's always to do with. One of the parents want to see their kid and don't want to the lifestyle. The lifestyle is hard, Like you said.
Speaker 3:Imagine this like we talked about. The age thing before is like Kim's in misco and Simone Biles and all these Olympian. Any gymnast no gymnast went to their mom and dad at three years old and said I want to be lent to gymnast one if I can't talk real well, Right and so, but that's when you have to start, right. Yeah, simone Biles started at 60, so this is ladies, this is ladies. She's a freaking nature. No, no human being will ever do what she ever did again. She's anomaly. And so it's told you. You know the boys, four and five years old, extreme, latest extreme list. So those kids don't have a say. So they don't, nobody's. No, no, four year olds go to mom and say I'm going to train six hours a day, not go to school.
Speaker 3:Live a life of craziness maybe be one of four one time on the Olympics, but thousands of athletes a year do that and parents are spending $30,000, $100,000 a year in gymnastics to do this. Yeah, and probably more likely not, will never even see the rest of the Olympic medal world medal Right. So there are other sports doing this.
Speaker 2:Oh sure, yeah, for sure, yep. And gymnastics is one that gets run up a lot when we talk.
Speaker 3:Well, because that's the system it has to be, because I believe in science, I believe in science, I believe in math, I believe in science works, and so well, here, if you take this, if you took a sense of nervous system development and all that crap well the action of falling forward is a lot easier than the action of flipping over backwards.
Speaker 3:So there's certain things you can learn at 1560, 17 that are degenerative action going forward, then an action going backward like a negative action, a negative arch of your spine. You have that flexibility and flexibility like between, say, eight and 12 years old and in neuropathic development there was guys doing arm throws and whatever and they were real fair on that. Oh.
Speaker 3:I'm like, yeah, you're not, you can learn it. You can learn at 30 years old but, in 20 years old. But to do it, but to do it in the millisecond of happening and be, and be immaculately perfect in a match. You have to start doing that at eight, nine years old.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's also me over your head I'm not talking about. There's a reason. There is a reason. You show up to youth practice at whatever age you're at, and the first thing you learn is a double leg or hands-on single, because any idiot can do it. Any idiot can do that move. You learn high cross. Typical left, that's a little more complicated. Hips are in heads.
Speaker 2:You know there's a lot more, a lot more a lot more risk.
Speaker 3:You know done right, though, but you know high risk coming forward. But you know a highly trained risk action is very successful.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 3:So that's why you know certain things. Why is nobody teaching by locks? Cause? One, they don't know how to do it, but two, there's a lot of shit going on there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3:So that's why you guys started this up at such a young age. But you know so. When it comes to Greco, and why they say no is like they're like one, they're doing pretty good in the folk style. They want to see their kid keep winning. They want to see that. They need that stimulus. They need that parents need that drug. They need that drug needed to get us talked to. Johnny next door got put on Facebook and all that crap.
Speaker 2:I mean I want to watch my you know Greco and wrestlers. I want to watch my investment Damn it.
Speaker 3:I mean they put on money in the folk style, I mean, else they could come home on a similar change. But you know, if you don't say I'm going to quit wrestling and go to basketball, you're a kid, yo you're five six bro, yeah Right Like. I understand that but the truth of the matter is, the fact is, his parents, most parents, don't have the wherewithal to put their kid in a situation and to just say, okay, we're going to do something for the next 10 years of our life and we're expecting no results.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's highly likely.
Speaker 3:It is highly likely. It's more likely than not. It's almost harmlessly guaranteed.
Speaker 2:You will not succeed in what we're doing Correct, I agree.
Speaker 3:Our goal is to make the senior world team make the senior world medal, make the Olympic world medal. Now, everything else is, we're going to give you a clap, but we're going to put your posture. If you make a world team, you make a world medal, but if you, you could win anything else. Right, like me, it's one. We just went farther, like, hey, nice job, get back to wrestling with anybody. Look at this shit, you know. You know, you know the parents of it.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know you mean they're not looking at the world championships, they're not looking at David Taylor's back. They're like, wow, he won Fargo, they weren't. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:If you're in high school, you don't talk about junior high. If you're in college, you don't talk about high school. If you're a senior, you don't talk about college when I'm at worlds. No, we're just asking about your state titles. I'm telling you right now, when I'm at worlds, don't be asking about your NCAAs either. In fact, they're making fun of it at half time which is which is, which is which is. You know, you have to do a little bit of whatever on that one.
Speaker 3:But, that's that, though. That's the thing. So for us in Greco, it's like there's got this way child, this thing, and I'm like, bro, shut the fuck up. What you need to do is to see yeah, we got this, is this, is this would be great if USA Wrestling gave these kids 20 grand a year and a place to train and and said, yes, good, I should rest. That's what we got to do. It'd be great, but they're not going to do that. Why? Because that doesn't pay the bills at USA Wrestling.
Speaker 2:It doesn't. So what's still a business?
Speaker 3:What's saved? Freestyle wrestling.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Private training, rtcs, private clubs private money not public money, private money what's going to save Greco Roman wrestling? The number one thing Greco Roman wrestling needs is parents cash checks.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I, I, I there's, there's some stuff going on in the back when the wrestling in general between Greco and freestyle that's going to come up after Olympics and there's going to be a lot of athletes out there. So where am I going to get this money? Your parents are going to start coughing up a lot of money. I can't stand the fact. When I talk to athletes they're like and these athletes are 20 some years old and some are 16, 17 years old, yeah and like oh, I don't know how I can afford it. Your parents can afford it. Your parents can afford it. Sell the fucking house, buy a smart house. Sell, buy a used car. I don't want to hear you can't afford it. I don't want to see a go fucking Fummy page when you're driving a brand new fucking car. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I don't want to fucking see it.
Speaker 3:I want to see people that got go fummies for whatever and then go buy a brand new car. Yeah, I mean the go Fummy was it for the brand new car, motherfucker? Yeah, it's your hostel bill.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no, it's handouts. There's all kinds of handouts now man.
Speaker 3:And I don't we have. We have got go Fummies, but they need them.
Speaker 2:But right, right.
Speaker 3:But there's too many people that are like I can't afford that, nick. Like like me, they got Duramax, they got three boats, they got snowmobiles, they got a lot of people in the Ranger. I mean man, I got 20,000 dollars. He goes around me right now. I mean like dude, you got the money, you just don't want to spend them. You want some. You want some bullshit, scholarship or some organization to pay your kid to wrestle. We hasn't won anything yet.
Speaker 3:He hasn't won. He hasn't won a medal in the Olympics. Go win a medal in the Olympics. Spend the money. You know why should. Why should some other human being pay or invest into your child when you won't even invest into your child?
Speaker 2:Well, we've talked about it too that there's only so much of a window with wrestling, right? You only have so much time, and when you're talking about Olympics, it's every four years, so you really have a finite amount of time. So, if you think about it, college isn't going away. Right, college isn't going away. And if your aspiration is to win an NCAA championship, then you should go to college and wrestle, because you don't have much time, you know. So that should, that should be your goal.
Speaker 2:You shouldn't be surprised when someone who's on the world level and you shout out I'm going to go win the world championship after you just won the NCAA championships.
Speaker 2:Don't be surprised if they laugh at you, because you, unless you're an anomaly, you have to be putting that work in right and you still have to put the training in World watching some of the college kids that come over here they're from over here and go overseas and wrestle and all of a sudden you see them lose to a guy and when they're here, they manhandle everybody, right, yeah, and then you see them lose to this guy and I get intrigued.
Speaker 2:I go and watch that match because, okay, let me see the difference, let me see what's going on in this match that this guy who, who is here all the time killing it, all of a sudden loses one, and maybe lost by like four or five points. It's like holy shit. You know there's a little technical background that you keep bringing up in the experience and the time that they put into it because that's what they want to specialize in. You've said time and time again you can't expect to go from. It's great if you have an RTC, but you can't expect to be wrestling folk style for that long during a season, then train all of a sudden, switch over to an RTC program to train freestyle and then think you're going to go out and win, you know, olympic medals. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 2:You don't have the you don't have the background right.
Speaker 3:I think the folks now is changing so fast to freestyle it's actually going to be start, you know, the three point eight, those situations going on, right, I think, in the way the guys are being trained. So I think how the folk, and I would say like the folks that are wrestling, are more freestyle in action now, just because of the private clubs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know. So they're coming through. They're cause a lot of these guys are really really really good in college. Come through private club. I'm well, I'll say a hundred percent of them. I mean, you know, and these private clubs want to make money and they want to promote the club. Best way to do that is when high school state championships and and also make a world team, for the world team is freestyle.
Speaker 3:So if you're making world teams and cadets and juniors. You're trying to have a lot of freestyle, so the stuff in any of the folks. You're probably trying to mold all this together, so it's a nice system.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're just your system of your style is this going to be pretty fluid, so you're seeing that out in the United States, where guys are coming out of college going in RTS to be some of them are being, some of them are being, but those guys don't have that exposure to freestyle training as a youth at the enterprise. Look at David Taylor. Yeah, it took him a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It didn't look six. I don't know how many years. It took him a long time to college with a medal. Now he had. You know, he had dudes in front of him that were good, but he didn't beat them yeah, yeah, right so and so and I was, and you'll hear me argue all day long I don't think David Taylor is a freestyle wrestler at all. He's just a folk style guy winning freestyle matches because he can't score.
Speaker 3:He can't score four points to save his ass, yeah Right, but he doesn't need to either. You know he's either. So but his style of rest. But he's adapted to style of wrestling over time to work in freestyle but it took him time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you look at Spencer Lee. Well, he was a world champion in cadets and you know Gable Stevenson, world champion in cadets, and you know. So these guys were freestyle familiar a long, long time ago, where we don't get that in Greco as much. And if we were in Greco those best Greco guys moved to freestyle and folks always get that. You know, because we do as a country, we do really good at U-15s in cadets in Greco. The reason is because we just have so much more wrestling. I mean, a foreigner at 15, 16 years old probably has 10 matches tournaments where we have thousands of matches in by that age. So we just have more wrestling and then we cut weight. Our kids are starving for weight. They're not cutting weight. You know we can't touch them right.
Speaker 3:They're jacked and where he maciated, you know, and our best guys go to D1 and then fade off into folks down on freestyle land because they got kind of half there to be good at college, you know.
Speaker 3:And that's what happens to Greco. But yeah, I would say this, but it's like this other thing really pisses me off because and a lot of guys on Greco said me pissing me off because like, yeah, you're not saying anything new, we know that, that's what we're saying Okay, right, let's not be armchair quarterback, that's not be any outside throwing rocks, let's get inside, let's get into the, let's get inside.
Speaker 3:You see what you need to say Okay, I'm in USA wrestling only can do so much, because what they're doing to Greco. What do I can do now is go back to my private sector job, my private sector club, and do what I don't see there. But that's how I can help. I can help Greco doing more Greco shit in a private sector.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 3:Right, he's not doing in my perspective. No, jack can do his thing. Pinnacle to do their thing. I'm doing my thing, obviously, but that's what solves the problem, not sitting here in a goddamn post playing.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, if we had 30 million dollars and yeah, you know what Greco needs and I don't want to say the guy's name because it's kind of a cursed wrestling but we need another John Dupont type money situation where someone's just got funds sitting around. I think it's funneling to it right. Well, I mean story on that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he came long back in a day it wanted to fund Greco. Their big thing was Greco. That's that was they went to feel they want to stick money in the Greco. Okay and they got court in the freestyle you know. So they got pushed into, really, yeah and so and that's all, bar too talk, but yeah, yeah he's like there's record right away and it's like I kind of pushed into freestyle. That was right during your RTC issue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, they're Happened there, but there's been people.
Speaker 3:I mean sunk his kids, spends a shit ton of Greco.
Speaker 2:Do they really? Yeah, I mean, they got all those kids that they represent. Yeah, yeah, we have three athletes.
Speaker 3:We have three athletes sunk his kids. Enormous money on them, yeah, but with that said To me, it's great to have the money, but you look at all the good baseball players and but probably you soccer dude them. Parents, parents got to stand up and sit there and say, or step up, that's it step up. Say I am gonna put my kid now, I'm not, and I'm gonna. I love it. I would love that kid to 70 years old. I would love it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in the United States of America, in the reality of our world in the night. We're not in Armenia, we're not in, nope, you know. We're not in Norway, no, in the north, I think for me and everybody's like, well, lucas, you need me to get myself out of some guy today, this weekend. I'm saying it's like, lucas, you need to get you to eat nine. I'm like, yeah, I'm not moving. Kids of blue over eight, nine years old, I don't want me, we're at 14. They need to be 15, going at 16. Just because they're almost at an age Nobody can almost drive. Sure, yeah, age of like, you know it's just getting to, you know they're a little over their commitment level.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I just some of maturity.
Speaker 3:It's literally. It's just because of my comfortability and I will sleep in the living room. Yeah, it'd be great to have me younger. But honestly, they get enough record training Through their club they're coming from anyways, by that time frame is seven, eight, nine, ten years old. We're going to do some, but you know, and then they do come and I'm really disappointed again with their. Look what they've learned skill-wise. But that's it here, there. But for me it's like when you get a kid is 14, 70, seventh-grade, and this mom and dad like a gracko, okay, we'll look at, we'll look at it, we'll look at it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then all of a sudden and I get that from, I get that a lot, actually from very public Look, we'll talk yeah, couple years 15. I want them 15 hits like maybe next year I mean next year and A couple dollars here. It's better than nothing.
Speaker 3:Right but I had two athletes I told locally here. I said it came in the middle of the year and so I want equipment sooner year and go back also. That fuck that. Just do high school, like what I. I'm like. You just done 20 years of high school wrestling, or folks that wrestling You're telling me. You tell me November, december, january, february's. I just gonna change your fucking life and record you, stupid fucker. No, you're doing it, you're doing a giant.
Speaker 3:Come lately, pussy push and we should be doing. You should have came at 15, your sophomore year. Now you came your sophomore year and we had three full years. Yeah, now you be begging under. Now We'd be talking about something. Well, don't come in here at the last minute and do that bullshit. It's quicker to your folk style and we'll get next year. Now we're gonna tell us they want to tell those athletes to do. Is you don't go to college, you'll go to enemy or the OTC? You stay here with me until you're 20 years old, 21 years old, and then we'll move you up. Now you spent three years of if you don't go for them regular. Well, now we got. Now we have to train you with the 15 year olds. Oh, you are until you get that level. It's about levels, you know yeah.
Speaker 3:So that's what I do with those guys but levels. But yeah. So I get guys like that all time. They're like, oh, we're gonna go back, or go back, only don't. But I do that some that Like I have now that came at 70, it's gonna call we're talking about it. And then we took the eighth grade freshman year and Organized it where, okay, what's giving in line, so when they're 15 they can move up and so, so I've had that and our best guy started.
Speaker 3:The youngest obviously pain. Zegerton, look he put us off for your high school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:States is I'm done with this bullshit and done coming way he get, he put on he looks big in 40 in four years. Three years, four years. Yeah, he put on 60 kilos with a hundred thirty-two. He's now wrestling 77 kilos, so he found like 30 over 40, almost 30, 40 kilos every year in four years. Wow. And he's out, he lifts, he's a student, he's super, you know he's doing the sport but like he's a guy that eats, lives and sleeps record wrestling, he's straight a student college.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's harm sent in. He's had great Bill college his personal coach. He's been a seminary I'm in the system with them, yep, with us and but his whole life is 15 years old, has been nothing but like, hey, stop cutting way, eat, he left. Take your lumps now take a lump snow and now finally, as a first year, u23 athlete, 21 years off. He just want to see. He's the only American to be the Japan athlete in a tournament, and women's freestyle Are men's record.
Speaker 2:Wow, really. And when they call it how?
Speaker 3:they brought hammers, so you're talking about a kid. That's like delay gratification.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:So when? Yeah, don't cut weight, eat and lift. Take your act, get your ass kicks. Yeah. I was a local adult and he's all I can do. All you now is tweaking every little thing. Instead we're gonna look at, instead of trying to put the muscle on his cut weight, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you look good, he looks good.
Speaker 3:I'm putting there so yeah, so there's called Greg, I think, with his child. This thing just drives me below. So I'm like no, the answer is what we're doing. The answer is what we are doing, and the answer to help what you were doing Is promote what we're doing, not, they don't have to do it. I'm not saying like everybody's a cop, we're right, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm a kid, look, grab a kid. Grab one kid. One kid out of a 50, 60 kids incident, same you show em a crack. Oh, you like racco, blah blah, there's story some camps to your flow by 15 people. Then, greg, let's hope, let's help you make the decision, because that's what you want to do, because you know, as a parent or as a coach or as a Mentor.
Speaker 3:You don't want a crib growing up at 30, 40 years old. Me, like you know what, I could have been a good. I could have been good at basketball or baseball, if the coach just would have made me work harder. I mean, yep, I had this conversation with my own daughter and probably should say that, but I'm good anyways.
Speaker 3:And if you see, if kids go through these ups and downs, right like you know, still, you know she getting muscle, not in injuries and injuries, always a motherfucker. You know, but you get it. Yeah, for a year or two.
Speaker 3:For sure and and we mean what I said around she's give me this now, like here, listen here. You are gonna spend your whole entire goddamn life Trying to become a world champion, yep, and when you're 30, at 40 years old, in crippled from the sport, you can be pissed at me for that. But you won't be pissed at me because I let you go party. I am a came in normal person or some fucking teacher, maybe 60,000 dollars. You hate your goddamn life. Yeah, and you're normal. You will be. You will fucking hate me for fucking making sure new world champion and you probably will never become a real champion, but you will fucking for that. But you will not fucking hate me because you're like all my parents are motivating me, because that's what.
Speaker 3:I get 100% Over the fucking place. I see around, like these local areas and these barles to fucking dads that live through their fucking kids and like they want their kids to put football, baseball, basketball, this shit. And it's soon to graduate or even get. If you buy CS in Gagana, you get a kid to high school, is doing good in youth wrestling, you get 16 years old by the car and then kids, what my coach is all yours. The kids, all party say dude, the parenting just started, motherfucker.
Speaker 2:Machac says, that's when you start, you start noticing the kids that are committed to what they're doing. Once they get their driver's license, how often do they start showing up now? Yeah, you know, because the parents are the ones that I mean, obviously we can't wait for Liam to get his license, but we're the ones that you know that take them to everything and because that's the point. So then he's like, yeah, once they get their license, yeah, you'll see who's actually committed to it, because you know they have to get themselves there, you know they have to drive themselves, they have to have their own drive. So you have obviously have kids that have a passion for that sport in that building. So I mean you vet them fairly well. You don't just let anybody come in. You make sure that what they want to do because you have people spending money to make their kids the best in the world right, I mean their, their kids, have aspirations of Greco. So you've let them fairly well.
Speaker 2:And you guys are watching and watching the matches I got to see, even in the losses it was very composed, like they weren't. There wasn't a whole lot of you, don't? You could still see college kids now throwing fits when they lose. You know that you don't see a lot of your guys losing their composure when it comes to that and maybe a little flustered in the match, you know itself. But at the end of the day you can tell that they're they're trying to get better and trying to grow in the sport of Greco. So well, when, when you guys, when you guys are just starting to amp up, I would assume, for the Olympics right, you have a couple guys they're gonna try to make some Olympic runs possibly.
Speaker 3:We have two guys qualified now. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think.
Speaker 3:I think we'll qualify two more. Okay okay, I do a club. I actually think we'll call. But I think we're gonna call by former guys for more guys. Okay, four more athletes.
Speaker 2:Okay, from your, from your group, from your, from your combat group.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, what well, I mean right now.
Speaker 3:We have Peyton and Benji. Yep, it also has to qualify yet, but I don't know he'll have a hard time with the Miller I think is doing, but I think, okay, I think you'll do it. Okay, then we have I really think we have some kids and I want to say any names. Don't put any pressure on them. And yeah, I think fine, we have a couple of lure right. Really, if they don't qualify, I must say appointed, but I think we will miss an opportunity.
Speaker 3:But I really see a couple more kids and we were qualifying for the looks trials okay but you know, I Think you know the biggest thing I want to talk about this stuff don't do a real like a real short sentence. There's like that post. You know it draws up a lot of attention, right, yeah, but but I mean it sounds so pathetic. It's poor, cry, cry, cry, poor me and in the pin. This is in this. And I had a big fight with one of my guys I want biggest name up because he's a really good friend of mine. Yeah, I said hey, as if you promote this fucking shit. You're the problem. He's like what do you mean? I says hey, I'm not saying he's wrong. What I'm saying is I need you to turn, say Okay, the message is incorrect the message.
Speaker 3:So all I need to do is promote what I am doing, what people have me are doing, because that's the fucking answer. Stop telling because soon as a parent, as soon as a parent and or a coach, but money, I believe them, because the coach of this coaches and I know and I do not blame a High school wrestling coach, a college rest goes what? Because there's her, your job. Yeah, exactly what those dudes there, bob. Sooner, later You'd hope they'd see the bigger picture, but that's but. I blame the parents.
Speaker 3:It is as soon as you give these parents Like any chance, is insane. Well, that one, that one Olympian said he could do all four years of high school and in four years of college, and when he's 67 years old you start Greco. He said he did it. One motherfucker did it. No one. I think you can do it too, you know, and that's what that's. All they got to hear is from one motherfucker just gonna say yo, we can do it and that's, but it's besides. I got argument, he's got no. We need all hands on deck saying no, if you don't do it this way, you're gonna fucking suck. Now.
Speaker 3:Yeah not saying we're gonna take kids from college there's one or not. We're not gonna take kids from D1 and D2 and D3 or high school, say, post high school, post college. We're doing during college. And now we need to have record wrestlers at Russell High School College. Yeah, we need to have guys at Russell High School go to record after.
Speaker 3:But, all of our energy should be spent on the guys going full-time by the time before they're like, say, 14, 15, going into high school. That's all the energy and they will still and we'll still work with their guys.
Speaker 2:You know, don't focus on what's not here, focus on what is here and make that better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so, and I, need people to promote that and and then this. And I said the argument was like, well, just start saying all you know it's not that they're starting too late or they're not, whatever, whatever. Then the problem is USA wrestling or the organization and like, oh yeah, thank God, I thought it was. I thought it was me as a mom and dad, I thought it was my problem as a parent. The thing, guys, not my fault, I didn't take him to practice for those money. Yes, yeah it's your fault referees on referee.
Speaker 3:That's why we suck. Here's one of here and that's what the majority of Greco-Roman Russell money here is like. Oh, oh, thank God you still go to homecoming next year. Still be you know, if I don't, it's not my fault.
Speaker 3:It's not my favorite was a wrestling. You know the problem I have the fucking post. That's why I'm so good and I am, and everybody knows, and Mike and my close friends are in my, my, in my box. Oh, I don't need any, I don't need any more friends, I don't need to fuck. 20 is a fucking friend.
Speaker 3:No, I mean only people. I need a social means of people. Want to spend tons of fucking money Fuckin money and straddle the world. Good, good, good, good Good. I'm wrestling. Other than that. I don't want to take you fishing. I don't think we fucking duck cunts. This is my fucking shit. So much Fuck. I take my nephew. Close the fuckers off of many ways. You know I got my problem. People like related to blow my shit up, so I don't need more fucking friends. So people like yeah.
Speaker 3:I hey I have no time for this way. Child is fuck that guy. Yeah, shut the fuck up. Until you search castin chess. Shut the fuck up 10 wrestlers and show me the full-time record. Shut the fuck up, it's all got to those fucking guys.
Speaker 3:Anybody yeah we got some ex Olympians walking around, your coach and wrestling. He'd like, oh yeah, you can do this. Well, we're the fuck your athletes. Go with a fuck. Go win a fucking melon. Shut the fuck up. You know I don't want to go them same guys to referee suck, we'll get paid enough money. Go get a fucking job, motherfucker. Yeah, I'm fucking business real. Some fucking houses and take your own fucking money and spend some fucking money.
Speaker 3:Motherfucker, I'm so sick of these fucking ex wrestlers walking around like Greg Roman wrestling people. Oh, you know, if that RTC would hire me to real coach wrestling, or the RTC, rtc or USA wrestler to pay him more money, yeah, go get a fucking job and volunteer. You piece of shit. I'm so sick. I'm just so fucking sick. And it's all these so-called experts that are, like you know, we all. I would do it if I could pay a hundred thousand dollars here to our dollar three hundred dollars. No, you wouldn't do it any either. You wouldn't do it. You do the fucking job and you bitch about something else. Get fired anyways. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:We have you know, and it's correct. It's done in Folks house, not a problem. Freestylers are problem.
Speaker 2:No, I thought the sports record.
Speaker 3:Roman wrestling. People are a problem. They're too pussy and too cheap to spend the money and go full-time Greco yeah, dude, they gotta do. You didn't hear kids. You know here, small boss, some old miles, some old miles, mom, they go. Man, we went bankrupt like fuck. They went bigger, like three, four times, like five times. But yeah, baby, baby, oh man, that was never worth it, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you don't even see people that are 30th down the line in gymnastics and say, man, it wasn't worth it.
Speaker 2:Right, they live this right, yeah, yep, they love it.
Speaker 3:Do you, do you see a gymnast walking around with or a other sport like basketball, like don't wrestle, it's for idiots? No, but wrestlers wear that stupid shit. Yeah general, don't play basketball. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh this shit. Only in wrestling do we have this chip under shoulder. We're too cheap and stupid to make a wrong sport better. But as soon as private money gets in folk style, private money gets in freestyle, it Takes off like wild burn does amazing right record.
Speaker 3:Wrestling for some reason has cheap parents, cheap coaches, wimp coaches, wimp athletes, wimp parents. That won't do the right thing. Now that's obviously an ever big. So I got a couple and, yeah, white rush percentage yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:We have weak human beings and we have weak coaches and leaders and they're too scared to see. Now, if you're in the org, I don't expect you, because I know you have a job and you have a, you have a title and you have to roll place a role. But people that are outside the org, you know I'm half in, half out, you're in my role, you can, I can do what I want, whether I'm in the org, roll, like I do that role, and there's people out here right now and Greco, that are highly touted yeah, they're supposed to be doing shit. They ain't doing shit, they're kind of just doing shit.
Speaker 3:Just just kind of barely still in the folk style land is still in the freestyle, and still yeah and and and. All you do the only time they fucking talk, all you. Here's the fucking excuse you'd never hear. You never fucking hear. This is what I'm doing. This is almost money I spent this year. Yeah so I'm gonna do next year for Brecker woman wrestling. Well, you ever hear is complaining, complaining.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to change that for you, lucas. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know what you do. They wait for them to die. I tell you what those people fade away over time like not, or maybe literally die.
Speaker 2:But they make me or anything.
Speaker 3:You bleed them out, you get more me.
Speaker 2:They make more. There's more of them. Made every day, though. They make more every day, there's more.
Speaker 3:That's it here. No, I'm saying, if you get people like me producing here, we got Austin, benji Peyton, we have Ashton, we have gunner. We have the girls we have if we keep producing more athletes like that from the oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be 45 years old and in that that cycle will take place.
Speaker 2:I'm saying hopefully, but then. But then there's that other, there's that other crap pile of people that are over there that are still bitching about it that they make more people, and then those people will keep bitching about it because it's not fun enough to Watch. It's over with too quickly. I don't like that sport. Why does it end so fast? Well, it's cuz the other guy was really good and the other guys sucked. That's why and that's what happens, yeah.
Speaker 3:I get up on freestyle too sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, that's well. That's so that Someone was a weird. I can't remember what turn we're at, but it was a parent that was kind of new to the sport. They're like I don't know if we're gonna do this next year. These matches are over with too quick and it's like, well, then you gotta do. The other kids got to get better. That's all that's about it, but it sucks.
Speaker 3:You could suck, you're right.
Speaker 2:You suck, you guys got to get better. So yeah, with that being said, is there anything else? You, what do you word? You say you guys are going to next Sweden again, norway yeah, we've Wednesday for Norway. No no.
Speaker 3:We're doing a good thing called Cobalton Cup.
Speaker 2:They're okay that way.
Speaker 3:Okay, then we're staying for a week to train, come back for a week and a half or whatever to go back to Texas thing, you know, yeah, and then then in New Year's we have some stuff going on of us and so we try to what just in general town play, we try to train really heavy. For what? Six, I'm sorry, eight to twelve weeks.
Speaker 3:Yeah it's been like about six to eight weeks traveling and training, okay, and we kind of repeat that process. The game, the right now would do a lot of Nordic stuff like Norway, sweden.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Comfortable, really Americanized places. Yeah and then we get, and then we get it after the new year new year, I'm sorry we're going places like Todd to Hungary, serbia creation. Oh yeah more Eastern block, less comfortable, less friendly, friendly but I mean, like you know, more competition Doing that. And then we come in and we have April, then we have the domestic season.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, no, used to looking for athletes, you're still trying to fill spots.
Speaker 3:We're all doing for athletes right now. But so what happens now is, if anybody it takes shows interest, now we send them information.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:We. So what we do to bet people, you say, is we bring them out for a week or two to train. Yeah, obviously, sometimes the school would be, maybe during spring break or summertime, and we just see if it gets go alive is not how much. Because I was saying I know they're not going to know anything, it's they're coming to learn. So I don't think, yeah, it's more if they can handle.
Speaker 3:Like, you know this me, you know me as a person and yeah, a quarter back to office of coordinators, so we're gonna get along. You know that kind of thing. That's the one thing the parents could. So we do that and we do that. We always do like one or two of those For female after we're looking. Well, I'm always over female athletes, but not always, hey, always. I'm always looking for a Good female that to come in at like for a drop in every now and then get 50 kilo or see two kilo girl come drop in. Okay, I'll tell you this is a whole sidebar. In Boys, wrestling is the worst fight for freestyle and folks, oh, people don't train together.
Speaker 3:Yeah you know. I mean like you got a real good to say to fight him a partner. It's like wait a minute, I got a real good kid You're. Well. Why don't you train with them? They won't, they won't make it, we're free stuff. The same thing. It's like, to a certain extent, say hey, look, I'm trained, like we might meet up sometime, like, oh my god, you're worried about we're about Fargo. Well, we have one. The girls we have aren't world champions, but they're not bad.
Speaker 3:Yeah the guys in Greco, and they're never, never a problem. We have. Three spots next year. I'd like to get guys in about 60 63. I'm sorry, 60 67 kilos next year.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay. So you got that going on. Anything else you got a plug, anything else you want to.
Speaker 3:Well, I got a camp coming up. I'm gonna get August on information to maybe sir, please. But yeah, I can't come in up in March and a March. I get the exact date. It's somewhere. I'm bringing Matt living back out again.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 3:He's back in the mix. He's doing a lot of good things on Portland with the youth and that whole. You know, importantly, I'm crazy Well. I didn't mean to get to stuff. You know so the importance all with that craziness on Portland and the far left stuff and I know he's doing a lot with the youth out there, like he's actually picking kids, like he does. He goes to schools, picks them up after high school, really trains on this stuff, you know yeah gets kids, like you know, abilities to protect themselves, just be, you know, more functional.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know a lot of that stuff now. Okay, okay, I love his stuff is like MMA, youth and youth movement stuff. So I'm bringing him in. I, you know, matt Linlin, I brought a lot. I've been, I've been guys in every year and that limit has been by far even back in my folk style days. I have never brought in a clinician or a coach or we want to call them. That's been more technically detailed, even though it's crackle. I just, you know, just it's crackle. It could be same in folks.
Speaker 3:So but then one then Linlin, and he he'll. He emails me a packet, well easy, three or four pages. It is a pack you give the athletes. They fill it out as you go, kind of like you know, yeah, here's what you did on whatever you know, you know he brings it out. He, he has, he sends me these clips on Dropbox. I go okay, so we play with practice. Hey, so we're working on today. Yeah, what you're doing here, watch the foreigners what you're doing, all this yeah really nice.
Speaker 3:I've never had a guy is. So I Would say people ask me what crackles they call you get so into Greco, or Knowledgeable. We want to say wherever you might you know information.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, it was Rob Herman and some more guys, but when came to Matt, matt was real good at like hey, we're gonna send you to Tata, can you afford a ticket? If you can afford a ticket, well, cover everything else.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Can you go to this tour, Rob Herman's? Anything Rob Herman, be like hey, can you on this tour? You know it was just a lot of people reaching. So there was people on Greco for a period of time there and you said wrestling that there are now, too, that we're really into Bringing coaches in and saying, hey, we need you to get educated at a world level, so we need to go. Can you afford to go here? And there's people, there's other guys like me out there, like Zach.
Speaker 3:And I that and bill callie that sit down said you know what I'll spend the $5,000? I'll spend the $3,000 to go over there for two, three weeks and train. I'm not training and Matt was one of those guys. That was real good that. And when I first started my camp like mad I can get like ten guys like you know what I'll do. I'm gonna come out there. I'm not gonna charge you anything for first couple years. Never charge me a dime for first couple years.
Speaker 3:Oh, I got to go actually give him like like force, give him money and then I'm like the paid num and so, like you know, camp got going. So he he is, he. He left USA wrestling I it is a whole earth conversation. But he is like when it comes to Greco, like in, in, in, like technical training and like teaching principles over in theory or, like you know, you can learn to move right like your arm, yeah, but we treat yourself the first. He teaches you Principles and it teaches you theory and any.
Speaker 3:Technique everyone call it and that says here, but let's but always fall back on technique, always fall back on theory and principles. Don't, don't just think this is, it looks good. It can look good, but be wrong, you know so right, he's really good at education. So guys come to my camps with him but go, it's so boring. If you're there to learn a by lock and super, super fancy moves, probably camp for you if you want to come learn real record wrestling.
Speaker 3:Yeah how to take record and say this is what record wrestling is. And then you take yourself and your attitude and your style of Wrestling and then use them principles there, and then you consider to say, well, I'm a folk, self-restar guy coming from Greco camp and this is like now. I can understand the pressure of the underhook and what I'm supposed to be doing with it, when I'm supposed to be, Out of it more.
Speaker 3:Just okay, here's the underhook, and throw by two silly. It's more about principles and theory than anything else, and then you could take it into your, your, your sport, your art, you know so yeah that's pretty in depth.
Speaker 2:That's pretty in depth with that, didn't? I've heard a lot of good things about him too at the other camps. Today's done, so it's. It sounds like he. He does the what you've been looking for. You know, he puts his money where his mouth is and he's giving back to kids too at the same time. So what would that be? And said dude, we've been going for what? Hour, hour and a half, I think, something like that, but I got a. I got to eat dinner. I don't know about you, but you got some decoys to fix back there. I don't know if Tristan shot me those I could show you.
Speaker 3:But you know, tristan, still you didn't pull yet, just installed on yeah, yeah, yeah, I had him on yeah he's like he's a decoy killer.
Speaker 2:Do you have the one that he shot? Do you have a lot?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I probably can grab it up. We shot somewhere, oh.
Speaker 2:Tristan, I hope you're watching us.
Speaker 3:I got this so you can see these holes. Let me see the camera.
Speaker 2:the camera is kind of there, it is yeah those holes. Those are Tristan holes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, there's the camera I got. I gotta go backwards here, so yeah, so like.
Speaker 2:There you go. I can see it all the way right there in the head.
Speaker 3:Decoys are made out of solid right. So, yeah, yeah, he blew him up, he shot him. He shot him like he's what that fucker will do, like I think I love that kid. I'm like hey, tristan, you know, duck falls, just let's swim out decoys.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:No, no, won't do it, won't do it, but but he's he got him, he got some. He got a like a gift, a gift card could buy this. So he got some decoys, some really nice ones, yeah, and I, I swear to. God the first time we blow them is to pull up and blow. One will stop you out of the water, sort of good.
Speaker 2:All right, man, we're gonna get out of your hair. You have a good rest of the way. We're gonna talk to you the next I'd say, month or two here, yeah, once you guys get your training done, coming back, and then we can talk a little bit more about what you got coming up, because I want to, I want to see what you guys, you're gonna have coming up with the Olympics coming. So we want to talk a little bit more about that.
Speaker 3:But let's talk after. Let's talk about Texas.
Speaker 2:Let's do it. Let's talk out of Texas. Well, I'm gonna hit the ultra music and then we can kind of jibber jar real quick after this, but then I'm gonna go eat but tell everybody else appreciate you guys, listen, appreciate you guys. Dude it. He's gonna be on more, so if he didn't get enough on this one, you're gonna get more on the next one. So just be ready for him. It's been Lucas stealth. He is the coach on a combat wrestling club in River for a blue River right blue River, now River Falls in Blue River, and the guys full of fire is full of passion. Don't mess with them, okay, just leave them alone. If you see in the streets, just don't mess with the guy, okay, just stop messing with them. All right, everybody, we are out.