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The Vision Quest Podcast
#56 - Eating Wisely with Frank Jasper: Nutrition, Athletics and Oriental Medicine
Have you ever wondered about the secret to a healthy body and mind? This episode promises to unlock that secret as we welcome our special guest, Frank, a master in Oriental Medicine and a former bodybuilder. Frank shares his journey of transformation, shedding 25 pounds for a movie role, and the subsequent realization of the dangers of unhealthy weight loss. He also takes us through his life-changing encounter with a Standard Process product and the power of peptides found in desiccated organs.
Delving deeper, we explore the intriguing concept of KeyTone IQ and its significant role in athletic recovery and performance preparation. We unravel the difference between ketogenic and glycogenic pathways and their consequences. Interestingly, we also discuss the edge of KeyTone esters over carbohydrate-based recovery drinks. Furthermore, we emphasize the crucial role of healthy fats, essential fatty acids, and cholesterol in our diets and why grass-fed meat should be our go-to choice.
Diving further into the realm of nutrition, we assess the impact of our eating habits on health. From the art of portion control to the power of mindful eating, and the Japanese concept of eating only 85% full, we explore them all. We also dive into Osani Health and how it customizes nutritional needs for athletes. We wrap up the conversation with an enriching discussion about the role of music in motivating us and fostering unity. So tune in and let this episode lead you to a path of healthier, happier living!
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All, right now. We got her started up. So we are back. Everybody, we. If you can't hear in the background, i know, frank, you probably should be able to hear it now, because I'm now you can't hear it. You hear the whistle? No, oh man, me and my old self still haven't figured out how to get you guys a sound. Anyways, they're gonna hear it on the episode we have with us. Frank, shoot, jasper. I welcome you again, my friend. I appreciate you joining me.
Speaker 1:This is a much deeper dive with you on Your knowledge of what you've been educated on, and I'm gonna turn the volume down on this because, yeah, call man, if you don't get goosebumps when you hear that song, i swear to God It's crazy. But we're gonna talk about what you've been getting into and what you've been doing for years now. What did what did you go to school for, frank? We talked about this a little bit on the episode. We had you on the first time, but we wanted to save it for this. So what? what is your specialty? What did you go to school for?
Speaker 2:well as a Eastern Washington University, i was studying athletic training Mm-hmm and so I got accepted into the athletic training program and it was basically, it's basically pre-med, you're prepping to become a, you know, a PT practitioner, okay, and so this gives you some nice credit, you know when you go to apply, because everybody has straight A's when they're applying for physical therapy school, so anyway, but I just love working with athletes and I had a background in bodybuilding And so knowledge of the body, knowledge of nutrition, how it works, how to heal it, i'm just, you know, that's that's my thing. I love studying that. I love working with athletes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where I started so, as far as it says, you said you had a background in bodybuilding, things like that, and then you got into the the nutrition side, obviously, especially with what you're getting into. But what, what? what drove you to specifically the nutrition side? I mean, is it was? it wasn't just about help? I mean, obviously there's, there's something else in it that, as far as I find it interesting.
Speaker 1:Number one the things that you've Taught me and Liam Liam and I sorry, the things that you've taught us have helped me lose weight And it's helped him maintain in, not only just so we talk about cutting a lot, and with athletes and wrestlers especially, but it's made things so much easier for him to maintain. So the interest you had in this obviously was helping athletes. But did you I mean, was it had to been fascinating just learning half of the stuff that that comes along with it? Because reading some of the things that you send and the things that you have out there, it's mind-boggling, the things that you can do to help your body in a healthy, normal way. So so where, where did that kind of spark with you as far as the nutrition side?
Speaker 2:well. So when I was a student at Yosan University of Oriental Medicine so after athletic, after I finished my athletic degree You know curriculum at Eastern Washington is right around the time I got cast and vision class okay, and then I finished my 4,000 hours during that same period at time. So I was basically done My time is what I call it in vision class shot for 10 weeks Yeah, i mean, we've talked about this a little bit shot for 10 weeks. I had to drop 25 pounds in two and a half weeks to get ready because they were shooting at that time. So I went from 215 down to 189. I said you did not look like you're 168 and they're right, i weighed 189.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fine, i was at 4% body fat and We actually measured that in the human performance lab. We did one of those you know, submersion water tank. Yeah, donks. Yeah, they've one of the most accurate ways to test. Wow. The understanding is I just basically starved myself, so I know how to starve myself down and it's not healthy. Right, i learned how to do that the hard way, wrong way and I did that for bodybuilding.
Speaker 2:I did that for a little bit for wrestling, but not too much, yeah, and What I learned is that it's just brutal and what happens to you is just as bad as bad What happened to Matthew in the movie vision quest. Yeah you'll get lightheaded and you'll start. You'll get nosebleeds, which I did. I experienced everything that he was his character was experiencing. I personally experienced to the point where My deltoids were just like aching because I was starving myself.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the body was cannibalizing Yeah, protein, yeah, off my shoulders. Wow, and you could. Just, it was just breaking down, it was just so. I wasn't a happy camper. So, yeah, it wasn't hard to get into character.
Speaker 1:You can't hold your mud.
Speaker 2:But then, you know, i became, i gave, i got a master's degree in all medicine.
Speaker 2:Yeah and another five years going to an Oriental Medicine School there in Los Angeles, and when I came out Even before I came out I got a hold of a company called standard process. Yes, and I Had a really powerful experience, experience with one of the standard process products. Yeah, it's simple, except which I can talk about though down the road But there's a piece that will tie in, because peptides are the new cool things now, right, well, guess what those peptides are really found in what you want to call the Desiccated versions of organs, and primarily, okay, the you know, your, your, your internal organs. Yeah, so, yeah, so it's basically adrenals, your heart, your lungs, your liver. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all your energy shadows.
Speaker 2:Standard process pulls a lot of that into their products. Well, guess what? I had such a powerful experience. It's like what I have to learn more about this. Yeah, i helped into that a little bit further with a SP wrap and she had this thing called contact reflex analysis. These are all Nutritional points. On the body, yeah, yep, they need the internal organs and if you feed those internal organs and you support the body's health and the body can regenerate, yep, so, and guess what? All those points were also acupuncture points And I thought, well, i'm doing acupuncture Really, so I might needle the person, yeah, and I also might as well feed the person nutrition. And I have to say that you know, most of the standard process products have animal parts. Sure, you know, in them, yeah, and I noticed that I had a patient that was a vegetarian and they didn't want, or they didn't want to do any animal products. Okay, patient of mine, yep, then they just didn't heal, they didn't recover, like I watch the rest of my patients recover.
Speaker 1:Well, it doesn't Great, doesn't that kind of go with the body, though? As far as like when we talk about Cain, caveman, dan, whatever guys hundreds of years ago, if they would, let's let's think about how rough they lived If they wouldn't have had meat or any kind of an animal product to to consume. How would they have, i mean, would they have been able to live a healthy life without having some? and I'm not trying to beg on like vegetarians or anything like that, it's not about that, but it's just far as what the body needs to be able to be a strong, healthy body. Don't you need some type of animal product as far as a meat or a fish or something like that, even the oils from an animal and things like that. Isn't the body kind of need that?
Speaker 2:Well, i believe it absolutely does. Now they, you know the, the. You can get protein, you get amino acids from vegetables, but you have to be able to break the cell wall. Yeah, and we really don't have the enzymes nowadays to break that cell wall. There is a way that I tell patients to do that. If that's the road they're going on to allow them to get enough protein in their body And that's one of the unfortunate things that I've seen is that people that don't eat protein on any level that there are some of the most unhealthy people. I think it can be used short term as a way to detox and clean out the system. Sure, perhaps nowadays you also have to worry about the lectins, so that's a whole nother story.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then you want to talk about, because lectins, blood, you know, blow holes in your, in your digestive system, so you want to avoid those vegetables. Yeah, but I just, i just. I mean, think about it when an animal like in the wild, when blinds, kill something, the head of the pack will eat the internal organs first. Yes, they'll eat the heart. And so guess where all the proteins, all the nutrients and all the really what we call nutrient dense are in those organ meats?
Speaker 1:Yep And just like what Senator Process put in the product.
Speaker 2:Yeah, And so I'm a big proponent of that. And you know, if you can live your life and you have an issue with killing animals, i do too. I don't think they should be killed for any, you know, just for the sport, sure, i think that if you're going to kill something, you better eat every piece of it. Yeah, can Yep Use it, honor it Wholeheartedly agree.
Speaker 2:I believe in the Native American way of just honoring anything and that, and I see Native Americans and the earth as this big circle. Yeah, they see the circle and everything is connected, and so you need to be aware of your surroundings, how you interact with it, and I think that's one of the things we're failing at. I think yeah, Number one, not aware of our surroundings, other. The other thing is I don't know if you've seen this advertisement events about grounding, grounding, but grounding Yes.
Speaker 1:You know who talked about that. You know who talked about grounding. You're talking about your feet on the ground, and like bare feet, that would be Yanni de Acomahalas was talking about.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Good He did. I think it was kind of maybe some they're doing over at Cornell because I believe Dake was, but one of them was just all all giddy about it. Just that they're like man, you got to try this, like it, and I think Flo kind of made fun of it. but he was making sense. You know, like it's, listen, it's it's really a you know.
Speaker 2:What they're finding is that if you were not recharging ourselves and one of the way you recharge yourself electronic, you know, electromagnetically, as you put your feet on the earth, you get the pulse off the earth recharge your system, yeah, and it's been found very clearly that now that animals are following us into the homes and not being out on the on the earth like they now, they're getting cancer Where they were getting cancer because they're on the earth before, yep, now I it's. One of the things I've noticed over the years is that I would get in my car or I go downstairs in the garage, get in my car, drag to work, walk on the sidewalk into my office and be there for eight hours Same year, you know and then leave, get in my car, come back. I haven't walked on the earth worth actually the earth until I went and played golf on Thursdays And that's what I would do.
Speaker 1:Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 2:Isn't that crazy Still be wearing my shoes, but still you think about it. It's like boy. We just connected from the planet and we need to reconnect. And they're finding that there's amazing things happening with the. They have these sheets now that you can just plug into the wall Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a ground thing, yep, and you can recharge overnight, so it's, it can be something simple. You don't have to go out in the bare feet and the middle of the morning, beginning of the morning, which I did the other day, and it felt good It does. It was like I woke up and I was like I'm going to put my feet on the earth, Yep.
Speaker 1:And there's something about it.
Speaker 2:What was interesting? I was what I found was interesting. I'm standing there doing some Qi Gong poses and really connecting with the earth and realizing that my feet got wet because it was some dew on the grass, yeah, okay. But then, after I was set and I was standing there, i was like the earth is warm. This is warm out here. My hands are cold, that's right. Earth was warm.
Speaker 1:Wow. So you think about in time. They talk about like just how the evolution of man has been and just the way that we look in the because of the environments we're in and the environments we create. They're saying that the way that aliens look, that's what we're driving ourselves towards, because everything. So we're just going to be these, this light skinned, it just not. You know, whatever they look like, there's several different variations, but pale skinned, big eyed, big head, just guys walking around, it's like that is. It makes sense. It makes a little sense. You know, like if we don't get a little more in touch with what we have going on on planet E, you know, like we're, we're going to be running on E pretty soon, i think.
Speaker 1:So that's important that I think people get into. Like we just talking about the hunting aspect. I mean you don't even have to hunt, go out in the woods and just just be outside, you know you don't even have to be like spiritual, but just be outside and breathe clean air, you know, and get out in the sun and vitamin E look what COVID was supposed to get out and get in the sun, get outside, you know, that's that helped with a lot of that. So I think if people didn't realize that after COVID there's something wrong, man, you know, so it's, it's kind of interesting. But then also the aspect of you know, we were talking about some of the some of the athletics side of it with with ketones and things like that too. You know, tying into that a little bit I was. I got interested in it Once you told us about it. We haven't bought any yet.
Speaker 1:We've been kind of doing things on a little ear, but so I apologize, but we are going to either way. It's interesting watching and reading some of some of the feedback from Apollo. Anu, or I can't. Is that how you pronounce his last name? My camera how you pronounce his last name Speed skater. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Look that guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so seeing, seeing some of the feedback from those guys. So when you're talking about refueling the body and kind of I guess recharging, this has a little bit to do with that. I take it because just reading some of some of the information that we have on here, i wonder if I'm going to see if I can, i can share this with you without ruining our feed. So this is this is new for me, cause I've been could dabbling, dabbling here with the, with the Google Meets. I gotta make sure my mouse moves around here. Okay, so we're going to go to present. Present.
Speaker 2:Sure, and while you're looking at that, when we talked about all right, what we got here, There. Okay, Oh, again coffee.
Speaker 1:Yep, Yep. So I was reading some of this as far as just exactly what is involved. Okay, So with the information they give you, KeyTone IQ can help raise your keytones into this optimal range. Let's talk about optimal range first. What kind of optimal range are we talking? Because a lot of people are talking about keytones with weight loss and oh, I don't want to get into keto And I was like it's not the same thing, It's kind of, but it's not. So let's talk a little bit of exactly about how this helps the body as far as this is recovery correct.
Speaker 2:Right, well, it's not just recovery, okay, it's also prepping for like, because I don't know if you, i'm going to talk a little bit about how we get to this concept, and one of the things you have to understand is that this, to me, is a game changer. Having what is known as KeyTone. Esters are the purest form of protein that we have, that we can now put It's in a bottle, yeah, and you only need. You only need like 30 mls or 20 mls. It's just a small amount, and the way that I use this and the way that's being used is being used for energy. Right, here's a peloton. 60% of the peloton was being fueled by that, really, and the and the Tour de France Heck, yes, what. They have a $6 million deal with the military, with their elite SEAL team, so that they get the right fuel. Okay, so why is KeyTone's so important? Well, let's go back to what we used to think was like the best way to kind of get prepped for a match or something like that.
Speaker 1:We got to have carbohydrates. Right, you got to be carbohydrates, correct, but what happens?
Speaker 2:What is? why is carbohydrates? That's not the best version of energy. We have basically two main energy pathways. Yeah, we have a ketogenic pathway. We have a glycogenic pathway.
Speaker 2:Okay, glycogenic is when your carbohydrates break down into sugar and gives you energy. Okay, Here's the issue that I mean. There's about five or six things that I want to point out. Why is not my favorite way? Because your energy will spike and then it will crash. Okay, all right, you're also that. So that means like well, if you don't hit it, just right, you just missed your window and you're not going to be able to perform long term. Okay, and so you're going to energy spikes and crashes It. Actually the sugars feed bacteria, they feed viruses Yep, they suppress your immune system Okay, they. They dysregulate your hormones, they set you up for injury, and I can't remember if we spoke about this, but this is what happens when you have excess sugar running around the body. Some people are like Oh, i just depleted. You know, i just did a heavy workout. Now I'm going to get my debt, you know, my, my carbohydrate or my Glycogenic debt back.
Speaker 2:Right, So, what am I going to do? I'm going to get hit with a bunch of sugars. I'm going to hit one of these. I know I don't want to use names, but a lot of these recovery drinks have a ton of high fructose corn syrup which will just spike your your insulin levels like no these business. It's what happens when you spike your insulin levels You suppress your HGH levels.
Speaker 1:So is that like?
Speaker 2:it's just an opposite thing, so not suppress your.
Speaker 2:What is it that we're doing with exercise? We're trying to stimulate the body's release of HGH. If we do it correctly, through like hit training, intermittent fasting and then training at the end of that, all these things lifting weights with the big muscles all these things will activate our HGH. That's our recovery, that's what we want, that's our regenerative Okay, that's our healing, anything like that. So, and? and the byproducts of heart, you know, of carb loading, are toxic for the body. You have to detoxify your body with this. Now think about the other pathway, which has the ability to sustain energy. Even when you fast it out of your glucose, there's good 30 to 40,000 calories still left for your body to utilize for energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It keeps it. Like I said, it keeps it energy. It doesn't spike, it doesn't crash. Okay, it's a clean energy. So when your body burns fat for energy, what gets released are ketone esters. This company has developed ketone esters in a bottle. So it's crazy And it's one of the things that keeps saying is like it's so hard. They found that people that think they're on ketosis really aren't in ketosis, but you train your body by eating differently and feeding the body differently and working out with that in mind, so that your body learns not to just use carbohydrates, because, if there's, that's the quickest, fastest grab For the body and as long as you got carbohydrates and it's gonna grab for those first so we talked about.
Speaker 1:You're talking about, like the whites. Like you know, we cut out the white breads and you know everything. So all the white sugars and And Liam's been using the you know, the Himalayan salts in his water and stuff like that. So it is far as I think a lot of people get Confused over the ketosis. I think a lot of people think that just because they followed something to a T, that they, while I, right away, i'm in ketosis or if no, not necessarily, and I don't think anybody really knows how to measure that.
Speaker 2:So they think they're doing is the process there's strips that you can measure, but what they really found out is that they are in ketosis, like everybody thinks they're in ketosis. So The concept that we want to get here is we train the body to learn to use that for energy. That's the first step, so that when you have, you can get. You can get great use out of ketones, even if you're not into that kind of what I call fat adapted. Okay, i don't. I don't completely devoid myself of carbohydrates and I don't have my athletes.
Speaker 2:You know, in the last NCA age with Nick Serrano we had, but he would have like all have a quarter of a sweet potato in between, matt, sure, everything else was run on the tones and marine based plasma and real agency and and some of our herbal support, and then eight you know each two and, yes, some of these you know nitric, nitric oxide. So we get very complex choices here that really support the body And we're not using carbohydrates for energy and he just gets stronger throughout the tournament. Okay, this is, this is the beauty here is like they give you this stuff in a bottle And if you fat adapted, become fat adapted, learning to eat more fats. So, like I, just here's a general, let's just say What you want to consider. Like your plate should look like three quarters of the plate is going to be vegetables and salads and one quarter is going to be protein and then fat with every meal. Now if you're going to be more of a fat adapted after you're going to bring even more fat in.
Speaker 2:But that's just a general thing that these kids need to kind of just like let's just set the, let's set the bar really low, let's just get that done. Yeah, let's avoid the election said. The white foods, the white sugar, the white flour, the white potatoes yeah, you know. The milk, the dairy products yes, you're going to do any dairy. What does test well for most of my patients are sheep and goat yep, you can do sheep and goat cheeses. Yep, you can get some healthy fats from that and your body will actually process process that much better than the, you know, the cow or the right dairy Right, and that's something that we also cut was whole, because I was a big proponent of whole milk.
Speaker 1:You know like it is okay, this is a lot of I know it's. After reading him I'm like here's a lot of sugar in the shit, only cause it. So we cut that out. Yes, correct, and we cut that out and we cut. We cut a lot of different things up but we still we didn't like, i guess, necessarily like not enjoy other you know, the foods that we're enjoying.
Speaker 1:It wasn't Something that we're doing every night, cause mom still likes to make. You know we still make a pot roast once in a while. We do that kind of stuff. So but but we've learned how to make it better, not just put it in with a bunch of other garbage or just a bunch of fatty stuff, or we're make sure we're putting the right stuff in with that so that meal can still be healthy and maintain number one, his weight and and the things that he's doing. We're also reaping the benefits Because of what he is doing, because we want to support that goal, we want to support, you know, the things that he is going on with that and it's helped.
Speaker 1:It has helped him maintain. It has helped him. Number one when he wants to drop weight. It is a lot easier when he wants in its five, seven pounds you know, not 1520 yet which I'm sure he'll probably get tempted to do as he gets into college and things like that.
Speaker 1:But when it comes down to it, we are teaching him that these things, these, they, they're simple, they're simple changes. And not only are they simple changes, but it's, it's simple like education. You can go out and read, just reading about some of the stuff, reading about this key tone, like I'm just I'm amazed at some of the things that number one that it's able to do, and like some of the things that, like these guys are saying that their brain, them, just their brain itself, was like in a, in a relaxed state, but they were so focused and energized, like how, how do you feel meditated yet energized at the same time? so that interests me. You know, that's kind of one of those things where, okay, all, right now, my eyes are open a little bit to it. So I what are some links that it's HVM and it looks like it says, but key tone.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, however, they put on the bottom of the episode for sure, and then just put a such you to each one to, and you'll get 20% off your first order from them. And so, by the way, so when we start talking about why you know fats are so important, and then these are the, this is the energy that happens when you break those fats down pure energy, yeah, but it's we start to go back to understanding what, why, why we need healthy fats at so many junctures in our life, and what it what our bodies demand is. So what essential fatty acids, basically, or let's, i'm going to give I'm going to use the big C word as cholesterol. So cholesterol is the raw material is the healthy fats that now I want you to eat healthy fats, any of these seed oils, any of the you know oils that are not made from you know I'm going to recommend this one is going to be avocado oil, is going to be olive oil, is going to be, it's going to be grass fed butter. These are all good healthy fats. Yeah, when you create and you can have meat that's grass fed, yes, because that grass is out of the chlorophyll gets into the fat. healthy fat, so you want to be grass fed meat, not conventionally raised me, because they feed it with great grains, grains, grains That's what we're going to try to avoid.
Speaker 2:Yep, but healthy fats do several things. It's the. it is the raw material for all your steroidal hormones that are being being conjugated in your liver your testosterone, your estrogen, estrogen, estradiol We all have those. women have more female hormones. men have more of the male hormones most of the time. Yeah, point taken. So there's your. there's your raw material for all your hormones. That's step one. It's also the. healthy fats are the, the protection. it's. it's. it fortifies every cell wall, creates cell wall integrity every cell wall in your body.
Speaker 2:Yeah, prevents like bacteria and viruses from penetrating in and it also feeds the mind of the, the, the myelin sheath on your brain.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's yes.
Speaker 2:White fat on the neurons in your brain. That's, that's cholesterol.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, all right, you need that though Right Pardon me Need that up there though.
Speaker 2:This is it. Yeah, have to, yep, otherwise you get. You know. I think this is part of what happened with the kids getting a DDA. DHT is that they've had too many, too many. These toxic foods are under like I would say, fast food, yep, that are just really poorly made. There's there's no nutrition in them. They have trans fats. That's the thing. So, fat, if you like, you can take a good piece of bacon, and I like bacon. Yeah, if you just overcook it and you create that caramelization, caramelization is a cancer producing fat, so you have to little soft cook it. You have to undercook your eggs because the egg protein is very tender, so I just over easy my eggs. Okay, cook my bacon. Okay, have my avocado. That's a meal right there.
Speaker 1:So, frank, you have just given me a reason to tell my wife that she can no longer have burnt bacon.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm. I'm enforcing that law in the house. There's no more burnt bacon But the. That. What you just described, is basically Liam's breakfast. That is what he starts almost every day with in their farm fresh eggs. They're. They're free range, free range chickens. They with the meat. Now that we're getting just like you described, that we're getting grass fed beef we go down to the butcher. We support our local butcher and Haynes meets. I'm going to go and throw them out there, but we've been doing that and noticing that he does. You know he talked about I actually want to ask a little bit more about it with the.
Speaker 1:Oh kids growing. What are we talking about? hormones, okay, so, with the growth of kids and these types of diets and, like you're talking about the ADHD, with a lot of these trans fats and all this crazy stuff we're starting to implement. And I learned so much about corn the other day that the reason why we had corn obviously was because of the depression and getting things going. But now we had all this corn around. What are we going to do with it? Well, we're going to put it in everything You know. So we learned a lot about that with you as well. You know, and we don't process corn. It goes in, it comes out. There's no value to it. Taste may be fun when you're outside eating it off the cob, that's about it.
Speaker 1:But with these kids in hormones, how easy. And obviously you got to kind of know your kid. But how do you balance, especially with an athlete that grows, that grows at these strange rates and you know, maybe it's accelerated because of workouts that they're doing How does it affect, like, their meals and the diets and things like? how does it affect joints and movement with joints and things like that? as far as dietary? I think we're kind of talking about that a little bit before with Liam's shoulder, things like that. How does that, how do these things and these, these diets, i guess, affect any kind of growth?
Speaker 2:It doesn't stunt, it only helps, right, it only, it only adds to the, the hormonal growth that they have, right, we're feeding his hormonal package, yeah, like giving him healthy fats and amino acids that his body is going to need to regenerate his body. I mean, it's just, these are the building blocks. So, like I went, i just got back from Wyoming. We did a great thing where celebrities for a cause in Wyoming raising money for the special Olympics, and I had choices there, and so it's tricky when you travel, right? Yeah, it's really hard to find good, healthy food. I found some brisket and then I just did the coleslaw. The people I was with they had the potato salad, they had some of the other stuff and I just stuck with just those two things. Yeah, that was my meal. And then the.
Speaker 2:I had a night, one of the best steaks at Casey's steakhouse just down the road and it was a rib eye, and then they they offered like a risotto and, yeah, a potato and all, and I was like my mouth was watering but I said, no, i'm just going to. They had asparagus. Oh, i'm just going to say to you, you can put butter on your broccoli, your asparagus, your cauliflower, and it tastes great. And it's also just, it burns up faster than just about it. It just will. Whatever you're doing, you're going to burn this up, so I ate this steak, this beautiful steak.
Speaker 2:Had this asparagus, now I did have some carbs in the form of a beer, because I was at this great steakhouse bar.
Speaker 1:Oh, i'll pass that up. man Pass that part up.
Speaker 2:So I cheat, i cheat where I, where I feel like it's worth it, yeah Right, but you know so it's like I didn't have any bread. They didn't even offer bread, but it's like I didn't do any bread. And that's where most people get killed. They sit down and they, they bring his basket of bread and boy, people eat that And guess what? Half of their, you know there's halfway full by the time the food comes. Yeah, i just want to skip the bread gang. It's like your body will burn up protein and vegetables and fats so quickly, yup, and it's just.
Speaker 2:It just doesn't hold on to it.
Speaker 1:Yup. So when you talk about the diet as well, i mean obviously we live in America so we love large portions, right, we love things in tons. So when, when I as far as what I was doing, i mean I would take full plates and I'd fill plate just a regular player, right I also noticed that I I was eating way worse, so the food wasn't great. The pile I was piling and I was. We were going to Chinese food restaurants constantly Talk about the worst combination. Some of it's great, whatever, but it's just, it's all processes, it's just it's not good.
Speaker 1:Now I use a pie plate. I still eat the same things, you know, we're still eating the healthy stuff, but I use the pie plate. And it's kind of funny because my after losing what? 60 pounds and all of a sudden Liam's doing it, he's using the pie plate. You know I was like I said you know I don't need to be bloated. You know I don't. I'm just looking to be full So my body gets the caloric intake it needs and and everything else that we've been talking about.
Speaker 1:So when, when people start to to get, i guess, into the mode of, of that healthy eating, how important is it? I mean, you can obviously go off the rails and you can be like, oh well, I'm going to just going to have this, you know, piece of cake, you know today and tomorrow, and because it's someone's birthday, How long? because this is one thing that interests me When you, when you start eating healthy, you clean up, let's say, you deep your body, basically detox, because you're doing well, how much of a hit, how much does that set you back when you start kind of going off the rails? Cause that's kind of one thing I've noticed with myself and my body, that my body, i notice it because, like I feel like crap the next day. I feel like it. How long does it take a body to process things like that? because it felt like it lasted for like two days where I was just like this garbage, yeah Well okay.
Speaker 2:So, first of all, you know, everybody is going to process this in different pace, different, different time, and we're, as this, different. This is what we were talking about before is that we're as different outside as we are inside. So you're, you know you're going to be different than your wife and Liam, and even if Liam had a twin brother, his nutritional needs are still going to be different, more than likely, in a lot of different areas. Yeah, and the microbiome kind of tells you that. Okay, and you know what you put in there is an understanding that if you had French fries and it's, it has trans fat, it will take your body close to a month and a half to really process that completely out of your body.
Speaker 2:So any some people are like well, that's not one I would recommend having on a regular basis, because you know it's just going to take so long to break down and to process out. And so there's the help, that's the unhealthy fats that it's dipped in Yep, and then there's the white, you know, the white potato. Start off with the understanding that you want to get pro inflammatory foods out of your diet Yep Generally Every now and then you can have something. Yeah, and if you do what you just did was like, if we have a dessert, i try and get what's called a nutrient dense dessert and I have a small portion, okay, it's just like I don't completely deny myself, yeah, i'll just go. Yeah, okay, i did that. There's a thing and I think it's kind of focused the way that the Japanese eat and they call it There's a name for it but they only eat to 85% full.
Speaker 1:Okay, Okay, that makes sense As a bodybuilder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, As a bodybuilder, it was just like got a pack, Yeah. So I have to reach. I have had to retrain myself and I still find myself like why did I eat all of that? I didn't need to, Especially if you get nutrient dense food and that's why your organ meats are going to be your best bet, Okay. Or you get a great grass-fed piece of beef and you're just going to have some vegetables and you're going to have. I had just this beautiful piece with it. It had blue cheese butter on it and I was like, damn, I'm here. Yeah, Right, And grass-fed butter is jamming man. It is great stuff. I put it in my coffee every morning. I think we talked about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i do a bulletproof Interesting.
Speaker 2:So why do I put it in my coffee? is because a guy named David Ashbray found out that when you have caffeine, caffeine is a fat mobilizer in your system. Okay, and so it wants to pull fat from your body and use it for energy, and it pulls calcium out of your blood, it puts it into your muscles for harder contractions. Yeah, and it's what we call an ergogenicated. It opens up your pores, so you're already sweating and you're ready to go to work. So if you actually add the fat in there which I do, and I will add grass-fed butter like a tablespoon sometimes, and then some what's called brain octane, which is C8. It is coconut oil that's been refined. Now get down to C8. That's just a very narrow version of the original complex of coconut oil that you get in the tub.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, and C8,? even if you're not inky to us, this tells your body to burn fat for energy.
Speaker 1:So I try and okay.
Speaker 2:And then I put it in my coffee and I blend it, yeah, and it just foams up and I don't need any dairy in there. It just, it, almost it. To me it tastes like a latte, and then sometimes I'll actually put.
Speaker 2:I'll put some. I'll just put some a Himalayan salt in there too, a couple of dashes. So there's my electrolytes. No kidding, by the way, david Ashford came out with a new coffee called Danger Coffee. Yeah, i'm going to throw him out of the phone, i don't need my help. But oh my gosh, he's got Danger Coffee, which has this folvic, folvic uh, vulvic and folvic um minerals in it, and I think he's got a little bit of Aminos in there too. Anyway, danger Coffee, it's pretty Danger Coffee. Okay, he's taking the next boat. If you're going to be an athlete, i would say I would want to maybe add some Aminos and I would want to add a few more electrolytes in there. But it's really straight up good stuff.
Speaker 1:So I've been, i've been actually, uh, been put onto this mud water. Uh, it's got the I think, it's lion's mane in it and I've been, i've been and that's it. You get this whisk with it so you can mix it. Well, it still settles, but I mean that's to be expected with some of the stuff. It doesn't really matter to me because it's at the end. So I might actually try some, uh, some organic butter in that that. I never thought about doing that. It'll take you up to the next level.
Speaker 1:trust me Well hopefully it takes up to the left caffeine, because I know it's all herbs.
Speaker 2:Is there any caffeine in there?
Speaker 1:I don't think there. I'll double check, but I do not believe there's caffeine. I think that's the big kick with that. One is because no caffeine, it's all the natural stuff in there, but a couple other mushroom types are in it and things too. But I thought it was gonna hate it. But I actually really liked it because I'm a guy when I drink coffee I basically turn it into cappuccino.
Speaker 1:Yeah so I I've taken on to that because it's got a flavor that's just different from coffee, so it almost makes me feel like I'm drinking a cappuccino. I got to trick myself time sometimes, frank, you know yeah. Okay, kick this old brain into gear with things that I don't think I'm using, so I've been using that. the butter thing Sounds like a really great idea, so I'm gonna throw that in Just try a couple of teaspoons in there and, yeah, try just a dash of your Himalayan salt in there too.
Speaker 2:Okay, i'm gonna do though and Speaking of that, this is we all. This jump to real quick, as I just wanna know. Yeah, we're burning up 30 minutes. But I just wanted to like do a shout out to these guys that are like training and yeah, you need to have before training, during training, after training had to recover, yep. Um, i don't think you should wait till after and now 30 minute window there, but you know that's when you got to get your way protein in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah it takes about an hour and a half for your body to break that down and utilize it, even if it's in a great form. I'm a big proponent of having that in your drink as you're training. Yep, so I Tea, yeah, i'm do amino acids in there. I haven't do electrolytes in there, i'll have them. Do just a little bit of manuka honey. So there is some sugar in there, okay, all them out, okay, but that that combination is Going to be in the system. So you're not gonna go into a debt state. Yeah, so you, if you're drinking that throughout the workout, then you're giving the body when it needs it as it needs it. You're not gonna let it go into that deficient state and you're gonna skip that whole window.
Speaker 1:You did. You did break up a little bit on that, on the ingredients. So you said green tea and what type of honey? again, right?
Speaker 2:So manuka honey, yep, just a little bit for you know, just a little bit for flavoring.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I just do so.
Speaker 2:There's some great you know, key on. Ben Greenfield has some key on powder. That's amazing. There's some other powders out there I can recommend And then I put it. That's, that's the amino acid component. Then you put your you know how many salt in there. That's the electrolyte component. And then I just do it like a bag or two of green Tea and I'll put it in a liter of water. Now, just so, that's.
Speaker 1:I do it.
Speaker 2:Yes, warm, it's actually warm.
Speaker 1:Yep, i made that well, cuz otherwise the honey is not gonna, it's gonna. The honey is like a regular honey right, where you got to put it in something warm to get it to mix right.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, manuka. Manuka is considered probably at the top, the elite version of that. That it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1:I made that actually right after we talked to you. I mean, we were Liam and I went out and because, remember, i was sending you pictures, right I was like, is this stuff, okay, this green tea? So we went out and we and we made a whole, a whole jug for him So that we had it to be able to put into his his water bottle when he went to practice. So that's what he was using a refuel and things like that was that practice.
Speaker 1:So we are taking notes, frank, i promise you are who we are, i promise. So we're running on 45 minutes here. I know we got we got a lot we want to talk about, but we want to. We want to kind of kind of break it up a little bit here. So that way, because We is like humans, we only have an attention span for so long. Right, even if we're 45, 50 doesn't matter, we still have attention spans. But we want to. Let's get some plugs in here, frank, because you got a lot going on. So what, osani health? that is where you're at right. That is, that is your business, correct?
Speaker 2:That is, that's my acupuncture business. But I, since I moved to Carmel we've been here three years. I've been primarily now working just in nutrition. Okay, i do all my nutrition via the phone. Okay, yeah, you're your son, i talk, and so I can reach out to anybody across the country. A matter of fact, most of Time I'm working with Nick Sriana. He's he's either in New Jersey or he's in. Right now he's at the you know Olympic training center, yep, and sometimes he's out here at AZ and Arizona, yep, so I can keep tabs on me from a distance.
Speaker 2:And Everybody is got their own Nutritional needs, yes, and then everybody's Dose is. Everything is dose dependent. That's the other thing. It's like everything has a Hormatic effect. It's either you're, if you're not taking enough, you're not in therapeutic dose. If you're taking the right amount, You're in therapeutic dose. If you're taking too much, you know, then it becomes Excess that your body has to process. It's a toxin after that, yep. So I design nutrition, i get them a specific nutrition that you need. I make sure we do the right dose. Then we monitor it, because there's times when You know Nick would finish a tournament in France, mm-hmm, and it was basically like, oh well, this, really this really hit you. Afterwards We got to recover. It was your adrenals in your cardiac muscles to his heart muscle was really yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:How many people think about that. Guess what? It's a muscle, i don't some muscle, when you're most important muscles, yeah. And then we always were monitoring his electrolytes, his amino acid, proteins, is you know all of those nutrients that? and then For these guys that are in wrestling season and they have such stress on their body and they're wrestling hard And they're cutting weight and they're doing all these things, the immune system is super important to support. When you mentioned that, that was vitamin D, that was the big deficiency that people were dying from when they were. Those were the 80 percent of people that were dying from COVID. It would had major vitamin D.
Speaker 1:Deficiencies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there's these five things that I make sure that my patients have. And athletes, vitamin C, and it's not a scorbic acid, it's a standard process. Vitamin C Okay, okay, you can talk about that. But then vitamin D Three, and I usually like to place it along with some K2 that helps mobilize it around through the body, because that's a healthy fat I usually take your vitamin D with fat.
Speaker 2:You need zinc, you need magnesium, yes, and you want to make sure you have the right flora in your intestines. Your microbiome needs to be supported, like I. I had one guy that was a wrestler and he was D1 wrestler and I was like boy. You know, i can't give you anything until we heal your gut, your microbiome. You've got leaky gut And so those, those What we want to call tight junctions in his intestines had now separated and now toxin. The larger product Molecules are slipping through that and into his blood and causing inflammation. I can't give him any nutrients until we heal and seal that right. You got to start from that Microbiome groundwork. Then you got to work up to sugar handling, got to work up with liver and gallbladder. You got to work up with your kidneys. Once you have those, then you can start pushing it.
Speaker 2:Now you can start giving it some products are gonna push the envelope.
Speaker 1:So I kind of I kind of equate that to where you know, like let's just someone who quit smoking. Right, they, they quit smoking, they're like i'm done with it there, but their body is going through a healing process. So a lot of people end up getting sick, um, because their body is so focused on healing that other portion that it doesn't have the time or the energy. Number one You're probably not that healthy when it comes to smoking and things like that. Just, a body in general It's taken a beating. So it kind of it kind of it makes sense to have to heal something first before you can Start putting other working, because the body has to be able to put all of its energy into that. So that makes sense. I mean it really. It really boils down to everything has to be ready to work in order to heal something. So if you got a broken leg, you know.
Speaker 2:And i'm gonna mention one last thing, because we're just about out of time, yep, and it's like when we get these things done and we got this body in it's right place And it's been detox and it's been nutrient and nutrient supported on these basic levels And we're cleaned up the diet, now We can talk about the next level. What's coming out there and everybody's probably heard this about the peptides, and these peptides can help you lose weight, they can help you gain muscle, they can help you, you know, with satiation. They can help you like, just do every function of the body. There's a peptide for, yeah, and so I've combined my, my knowledge with this and I connected with a company that now Has these peptides, and so we'll we'll put that link in the bottom and, by gosh, you know, it's like you want to make sure you find a clinic that's got, you know, certified place, where they're being created, where they're you know, pharmaceutical Yep, and I'll create it, and you have a doctor that's watching, that's going to check you from time to time. That's really important as well, and these guys do a great job, and so we'll put the link on the thing down below.
Speaker 2:If you have questions or you want more information, just reach out to me. Yeah, that's shoot. Shoot at shoot shirtscom. Okay, that's the email that they can hit me up with. Okay, and then you can show whatever else on the on the bottom here and yeah, yep, take care people, I got all this stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely. So, remember, shoot at shoot shirtscom for any information. If you've got questions for them, you know obviously he'll reach out back, reach back out to you and he'll let you know Exactly what direction you go from there. But we've benefited from it. We've benefited from the knowledge that he has, and it's it's benefit not only me, but Liam and it's really given him, like you said, the building blocks to Be able to stay healthy and be able to create an athletic, i guess, body of work, you know, in order to stay healthy and stay competitive.
Speaker 2:You know, because It was good seeing you in Vegas, by the way, walker, i'm gonna say and and, by the way, you know, shout out to Liam, and he just took care of business. I mean, that was great. He showed up, yeah, and he wrestled really well and and I, well, how did he end up doing?
Speaker 1:Third he took third out there, yeah.
Speaker 2:Amazing first experience, i know.
Speaker 1:I know right, vegas. So Vegas set up for Colorado. I don't he's. Hopefully we can make it out to Colorado in the middle of August. We'll see that's in the U15 Pan Am team. Trails are, but Everything you've been doing for that, yeah, we've taken notes. I mean we've, we've been paying attention what you say. So, folks, if you have questions, this stuff works, it pays off.
Speaker 2:So You got to feed the body, you got to feed the brain And if you're not putting in the elite fuel, you're not going to get the elite results.
Speaker 1:Exactly exactly. I mean that. So and that's, i think, the. The proof is in the pudding. If anybody's got questions about it, if you want the result, any kind of result answers, reach out to us as well. We'll let you know exactly how, how it's worked out, and then from there We'll put you in touch with Frank, because the stuff is it's, it's the best It's, it's, it makes sense, it's the right thing and, like you said, it feeds your brain, feeds everything.
Speaker 1:So we're going to go ahead and we're going to be leading back out with Not only our favorite song on the planet, but um, it's the namesake of the of the show I mean. So I can't go wrong. I got to put it out there. Like I said, the Canadians are nice, but it's not going to. Let me right there's the volume.
Speaker 1:Where is it? Oh, there, it is Okay, everybody, we're out of time. Frank, we're going to have you back on again. We'll talk exactly Exactly, some more is. I think we'll probably touch on a lot more next time, but we only had so much for today, frank. Thank you, sir. I want to talk to you a little bit more once I hit the off button here, but, uh, everybody, this has been another episode of the vision quest podcast. Stay tuned for more, because more is coming, peace.
