Episode #114: Sed Hay All Day....Nuff Said

We bring Coach Sedrick Hay into a raw, fast, and funny deep dive on raising wrestlers, building character, and navigating a real recruiting process without losing your head. A Marine’s mindset meets Midwest mat rooms, honest coaches, and a commitment that surprised even us.

• Milwaukee roots, high school wrestling, Marine Corps grit
• Why wrestling teaches morals, ethics, values
• Clubs, partners, and finding the right room
• Parents’ role as guides, not head coaches
• National tournaments and the parent network effect
• How coaches evaluate potential vs results
• Home visits, honesty, and development plans
• Visits to NDSU, App State, Indiana, SIUE, Virginia
• Why Virginia fit: education, accountability, authenticity
• Badger friction, transparency, and timing
• The “AWA Fades” challenge and gym culture
• Upcoming local youth tournament and community shoutouts

Make sure you’re at the Brown Deer youth tournament on December 21. Show up and let’s get that work in

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome Back And Guest Intro
• 2:00 Cedric’s Milwaukee Roots And High School
• 6:30 Parenting, Early Sports, And Wrestling Starts
• 13:30 Marine Corps Mindset Meets Youth Wrestling
• 19:30 Coaching City Kids And Family On The Mat
• 25:30 Tough Love, Consistency, And Athlete Development
• 33:30 Clubs, Partners, And Leveling Up
• 42:30 National Tournaments And Parent Networks
• 50:00 How College Coaches Evaluate Potential
• 58:00 Home Visits, Fit, And Honest Feedback
• 1:06:00 Visits To NDSU, App State, Indiana, SIUE
• 1:15:00 Why Virginia Clicked And The Decision
• 1:22:00 Badger Friction And Recruiting Transparency
• 1:30:00 Respect The Process: Parents’ Role

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:37

And we're live. We are live, man. Oh my god, it's been forever. Um almost yeah, a couple couple months. I took a break. I'm working in the basement. Um, we did we I'm just just been kind of busy. So uh we we wanted to jump in uh because we went through the recruiting process with Liam and we've listened to some other dads, and and plus we're kind of close with this guy, we've known him forever. Uh son's a great wrestler, uh Maximus Hay. If you haven't heard of this dude, go on Facebook and check out his page, said hey all day. You will not be disappointed whatsoever. So we are joined by none other than Coach Cedric Hay. If you don't know him, you're gonna because we're talking about him. So how you doing, said how you doing, man?

SPEAKER_00: 1:20

Man, I'm doing great, man. Appreciate you having me on, brother.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24

Yeah, it's been a while. I wanted to get you on. I mean, you're you're you are you're entertaining to watch, dude. You're funny as hell when you're talking and you speak the truth, and I like that, and that's kind of where at. If I sound weird, guys, usually I'm in the basement. I it's a little echoey in here, but I'm doing what I can, working it out. So uh, hope you guys appreciate the show. So, sad, I I did bring you on because you know, we we all have gone through part of a recruitment process, right? Um, talking about things that you know we've been through and maybe things that we've heard, the things like that. We're gonna talk about so much more, too. But I kind of want to get down to who you are first. So, uh, thank you very much, you're a veteran. Appreciate everything that you've done and everything that you sacrificed in your time with the military. Appreciate that. Number one, number two, that's not who you are. Let's talk about where you came from. Where are you from? I don't even know that, dude.

SPEAKER_00: 2:15

I'm from uh Milwaukee, Wisconsin, dude. Uh born and raised in Milwaukee, man. Uh went to went went to uh Custer High School. Crazy story. Somebody just got shot over there. Oh my god, literally down the street. If you saw it in the news, right? It's crazy, right? Um I know it's laughing, but it's crazy, right? They go think they go they're gonna cancel us already, bro. They go, yeah, they're about to cancel us already. But I'm from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, dude. Uh born and raised, mom from Chicago, dad from uh Chicago, dude. And and and yeah. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03: 2:57

Where did you go to high school?

SPEAKER_00: 2:59

I went to uh Custer High School. Uh now it's uh to round 2004 to 2007. Yeah, uh it's Barack Obama school now. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, okay, okay. Well, he bought a school. Nice. I I know, right? And he was horrible president. Oh my god, did I just say that? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03: 3:25

I'm sorry. Don't hurt anybody's feelings, please. There's super.

SPEAKER_00: 3:28

I'm sorry, leftists, if I hurt your feelings. Horrible president, but uh yeah, it's called the Barack Obama school. I don't know why, but uh uh Custer High School, dude. We was uh Ben Toms and um Roger Quinn Dale, which was a county supervisor, dude. We was competitive in high school. We wrestled against Rapids, Kankana, we wrestled against all these top-level schools in in high school around this time.

SPEAKER_03: 3:55

Okay, all right. Um, we are gonna have uh a chat up, so it looks like we have some people. Why is he wearing that damn hat? Worst cowboy hat ever.

SPEAKER_00: 4:05

Oh my god, come on now. I'm gonna put that up. You see this right here? It's that Cody James. That's I got a stance in too. Damn it, Monty. Monty be hating all the time. Oh I love Monty.

SPEAKER_03: 4:21

I know he's good, dude. I hope you guys are seeing this all right because I look choppy to myself, but so does the music. It's just crazy. Like, I'm not used to everything again. It's just it's just new. I'm gonna I'm gonna leave that alone. So, did you wrestle in high school?

SPEAKER_00: 4:33

Yeah, I I started wrestling my freshman year, high school. Um, I got kicked off the team my junior year, and I made a state my senior year.

SPEAKER_03: 4:44

Made a statement. What'd you get kicked off for? Any and he can you tell us why?

SPEAKER_00: 4:49

Uh so I wound up losing in the conference um uh uh around the conference title, and uh I got so mad I started punching doors and windows, and the police got called. And when the police got called, they uh my ad said, uh, you're not allowed to wrestle for for uh sectional regionals. And I was like, Well, why? You know, I didn't I didn't think that, but so but then my senior year one I'm making this statement.

SPEAKER_03: 5:25

Nice, nice, all right. Well, that's I that's kind of what I was looking for. Just a little bit of background on here because I yeah, so that that's the big thing that we've always kind of done on here is we spend a lot of time talking about the person that we're with, right? And we kind of dig in a little bit, especially with the athletes. But there's i you and I are we're we're dudes now, right? We're dads, we're yeah, I'm a dude, right?

unknown: 5:46

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 5:47

So we've been spending a lot of time getting our kids better, right? Better human beings, better wrestlers, better competitors, and the work we've put in and and the work that they've put in is starting to pay off, right? They're the things that they've wanted to try and reach that they're kind they're kind of getting there. Um, what when you I'll tell you this much, I'll put it in my perspective. When I had kids, I wasn't ready to have kids, right? I was not ready at all. Um I got married at I got married at 18. I did not, I was not that was not. I was I was so far from thinking about marriage at that point, I think I don't even think I was in the state of Wisconsin at that point. I was chasing Labrador retrievers in the woods, and that's all I was doing. So I was just making sure they're fetching birds. Yeah, so I got some time, man. But I I'll tell you when Bryce was born, I didn't realize that I was gonna go into this wrestling world, right? I had I had this uh Hoshgosh door Spartans um old old duffel bag. We're talking old ones where it was green and gold, all green, and then it was gold capped on the end with or the yellow fabric on the ends, right? Green handles. And we lived in Oshgosh, but we opened and rolled the boys to Nina because we both worked in Nina, it was just easier, right? Yeah, and I was like, you know, we kind of were like, Well, let's get him in something, just you know, be active, things like that. And I wound up putting Bryce into wrestling. Well, I'm walking through Nina High School with Bryce is your own partner, right? Yes, he's 22. Yep, Bryce's mom. 22, yep, 22. And I walked through that high school with that backpack, and I sat there thinking about my brother's wrestling team because my wrestling team that I was on was terrible, but I loved watching my brother's wrestling team, so I always kind of thought about that. I was like, you know what? If anybody wants to come at me, I'm hitting them with this bag right outside that. No one did, it didn't happen, but I had that in my mind. So Bryce, Bryce, he liked the sport, things you know. With yeah, I Bryce's uh obviously with someone else, but she wasn't into it, so she didn't take him as much. Well, time goes on, and I meet my wife Christina, and we wind up having a child, also. And well, Liam had a different story. Liam kind of got into some trouble, right? And at preschool, and want to punch the kid, right? In preschool, preschool, he got in trouble in preschool, preschool, almost mean he's like what like four five. Yeah, yeah, about four, four, five. I wasn't teaching my kids to just hang out and be you know, buddy buddy. When you're breaking rules, you teach kids that they're breaking rules, you know. That's what happens. So Liam Liam, what there's a kid, he he's a rules kid. He's but don't don't be twisted if he's playing dodgeball, he's gonna twist those rules to make sure he wins. That's how he does that, right? Yeah, yeah. So, but either way, he he got he got in trouble because this kid was on the computer for 10 minutes. He kicked Liam off, but Liam was watching the clock. He came up, he's like, It's my turn, your time's up. And the kid goes, No, right in the face. Punched him, yeah. Pulled him off the chair and said it's my turn. Well, the teacher called us, yeah, that was great. So Christina's like, we should put him in something, you know. Maybe we do, like, you know, karate or something. So, you know how still you need to sit for karate? There's no way a kid this age needs to be in karate. So I have just the sport. We didn't know how it was gonna work because we didn't know if Liam was gonna be, you know, kind of weak or whatever. We knew he was hitting, but we didn't know what he could take. Well, he wound up wrestling with Jacob Herm, like uh Kelly and Jacob were kind of in the Nina program as well, and he kind of just kind of took with Jacob, and those guys wrestled like animals. I mean, they beat the crap out of each other at five, six years old, right? Like they were just yeah, it was it was rolling around, it was just crazy wrestling, but it was fun to watch. And I kind of thought, you know, we got something here, but we didn't know what we knew until we got to like 10 or 11, and we're like, I think he kind of likes this stuff, you know. So now your family with with what you guys have put together, I mean, how how did how did did wrestling ever come up with any of the other kids, like any of your daughters and stuff like that, too? I mean, how did this come up with you putting your kids in wrestling?

SPEAKER_00: 9:50

No, so I wrestled in high school, obviously, and uh I went to the Marine Corps, and when I got out in 2014, uh my coach uh Roger Quindale was like, dude, I think you should coach city kids. I was like, All right, let's do it. And I had obviously my oldest son Cedric and my youngest son Max, and then I had my daughters and whatnot. And um we just like um we we we we just we just I I I enjoy wrestling because that it was it was better than football. And Roger Quindale, right? County supervisor, and he had um we put Max in this first tournament, and and he Olivia. Oh my goodness, I got people knocking at my door right now. This is crazy. So I'm about to so this is all authentic people right now. My daughter's about to answer the door right now. Nora, please answer the door. And they they they just gonna interrupt us right now. This is my my niece's name right now, and they coming in right now. But um we had uh we put them in in uh city kids wrestling, and I'm trying to tell you it was like after it was like it was it was from there, it was like let's let's do this, let's get this work in. And it was it, it was it was phenomenal. Like I enjoyed it, I loved it.

SPEAKER_03: 11:17

So they took they took to it, it was it was a it was a thing for them. They just they just loved it as much as you did, I take it.

SPEAKER_00: 11:22

Yeah, they they loved it because it was tough. Yep, and I just got out the Marine Corps in 2014, so I was crazy. Just did three combat deployments. He says was crazy. Oh my goodness, he said it was right there three combat deployments, and I was like, Hey, dude, we need to do something that's physical, we need to do something that's tough, and I had him going in there, and crazy. They they they loved it like instantly, they loved it. It was they just loved it.

SPEAKER_03: 11:55

So when you when you kind of when you got the kids in wrestling, I mean you got four kids, right? Four, two girls, two boys, right?

SPEAKER_00: 12:01

No, no, I got five kids. I got uh I got my oldest son, Cedric. So I was married, I got married in high school when I was uh 19. So I've been married since about 20 years now. So my oldest son, right? Cedric, and then I got uh Max, Elaine, Olivia, and Nora. Damn, you started a wrestling team, dude. Dude, I promise you, I got a wrestling team, and then I got my nephews and my nieces. So I had about 10 or 15 nephews and nieces plus my kids.

SPEAKER_03: 12:37

Damn, wow, okay, okay. So I mean you it was kind of in your I mean, I would say in your family already, so it was just something you got.

SPEAKER_00: 12:44

It was it, it was it was in the DNA already. I didn't want to do football because it was too soft. I needed something that was that was physical for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 12:55

Uh Monty piping in, you know, just just being Monty.

SPEAKER_00: 12:58

What you talking about?

SPEAKER_03: 13:02

He said something about talking about badger wrestling. How we how we gonna how are we gonna talk about badger wrestling? I don't even know how that's gonna happen. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 13:09

You know what? Do do I can I be open to honest? You that's what this space is for. Yeah, open and honest. Fuck the badger wrestling. Okay, they didn't want to, okay. Okay, but we're gonna talk about that later.

SPEAKER_03: 13:21

Yeah, we'll we'll bring that up in a little bit. Monty, stay awake. Uh, maybe take some accedering, it'll cure the headache plus keep you awake.

SPEAKER_00: 13:29

Yeah, so we had that. Then my nephew, my niece, jl Norrington, um, Peyton Norrington, and Larry Norrington. JL Norrington was the first state champ for city kids. She was a female wrestler, she won around. I think her JL, what was your first around like fourth, fifth grade? Yeah, you're around about fifth grade. She won a state title as a youth. Okay, yes, natural athletes.

SPEAKER_03: 14:01

I just cut you out. I just cut you out. There we go. Okay, you're back. That's that that's impressive. I like that. I want to know more about the process that you kind of like how as a parent, because not every single parent's like, I my kid's gonna go to college and wrestle, right? Like, so what was what was the focus of whatever you were doing with sports? Were you looking at any of your kids and be like, this this one's going to college, he's gonna wrestle in college? Was that ever a thought in your mind early on, or was it like a goal? Because don't get me wrong, parents like you can have that goal in your mind and still not drive your kids and be that parent that's you know overpowering, it can still just be in your brain, right? It's a wish you have for them. But at the same point, though, too, sometimes when you see that, you have to act on it because you don't want them to squander that opportunity or that you know, um, the the skills that they have and the abilities that they have. So, not to force it on them, but sometimes you know, as a parent, you could be like, Hey, you know, you you think you might want to go to college and play sports, not even say wrestling, just play sports, you know, kind of edge it a little bit. But I get to the point of uh being a little too pushy sometimes. Like, were were you kind of at the point where you would take one to the side and be like, All right, we can do this? You're gonna, I think you got this. And then it was just like maybe don't, yeah, right. You you you have fun with it, and that's what you're gonna do. And where did you go with each kid? Like, how did that the how did that view for you as a parent go?

SPEAKER_00: 15:26

Dude, I was I was a nut. I was a nutcase, and now I'm not even gonna lie. Coming straight out uh out of the Marine Corps combat deployments, fucking killing people for a living. Like, I know that sounds crazy as shit, but uh, can I cuss? I'm sorry, can I no? You're good, you're good, man. Okay, okay, fucking killing people for a living. That shit was crazy. I wasn't expecting them to be fucking like Olympic champions or going to D1. I just wanted them, dude. I just wanted my my kids and my nephews and my nieces to uh to learn morals, ethics, and values. Yeah, that's that that's what that was the biggest biggest thing for me was to to to to learn those things. And um when I try to tell you, I was I was the crazy parent. I was the one that was screaming in the stands. I was the one that that that was saying, shoot, sprawl, fucking, I I I I was that dude. And as as time went on, I learned that it is more of a um more of a mental more of a um I would say uh they they they business. I'm I'm gonna say business, I'm gonna say um if if once you learn how to wrestle, you learn how to navigate through life. Okay, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03: 17:16

Yep, yep. I I think uh what is the phrase? Uh what's it saying? Once you've wrestled, everything else is easy, right?

SPEAKER_00: 17:23

It's it's so much it's so much easier, yeah. And and I and I and and I was trying to teach them great habits, I was trying to teach them um consistency. Consistency in wrestling is where it's at.

SPEAKER_03: 17:40

It is, and honestly, to me, I think that like especially with Liam. I mean, he was it you could quote it as a Carrie Colot kind of thing, where he was like, Nine, I want to go to college and wrestle, and I want to be this, that, and the other thing, right? And then you look at him be like, All right, you ready for this thing kind of thing? Like, oh, here we go. But it's tough, it's tough, right? So when you start deciding to put them in the club and you're paying$125 a month or whatever it is, um, at whatever club you go to, someone's gonna be like, Holy crap, you pay that much. We do because it's worth it, right? But at the same point, so too, we weren't we didn't we look at as we looked at it as first we're gonna put him in, see how it goes. We're gonna put him in and see how it goes, and it went well. Well, okay, he's doing this good, and he's just in kind of like you know, a little club over here. Try some tournaments, and we'll do it for a couple of years. So he does, and then we get into the couple of years, and it's like, wow, he's getting better, and he actually really likes us. Like, he I put him in soccer, he didn't even want to be at soccer practice.

SPEAKER_00: 18:39

I had I had my kids in soccer, I had Max JL, I had Elaine Olivia in them doing soccer, I had him doing everything. But wrestling just teach you how to be humans, how to be good people, how to persevere.

SPEAKER_03: 18:54

Yep, correct, correct. And and knowing it, no, obviously, with you being in the military, I mean, you obviously you were in some harsh shit, saw some shit that we'll never see, right? That kind of thing. And I don't I don't want to equate wrestling to that, but it when you were in you know the military, were you kind of seeing things in your kids and be like, This is what it's like, like this is hard.

SPEAKER_00: 19:12

Like, no, what I tell people now, I'm an AWA, right? I coached in the ninja class, right? That's Aspen Wrestling Academy. Well, Aston Wrestling Academy. I say wrestling is the closest thing to military training. Really? Okay, okay. I swear to God, I promise you, right hand of God, it's it's the closest thing to military readiness because of you have to fight for your life Monday through Monday in wrestling practice. Yeah, and in military, you have to train Monday through Monday, and this is no days off. I promise you, it's it's that will get you the closest thing to ready to go. I don't want to sound crooked, it don't care. It gets you ready the closest thing to be combat ready.

SPEAKER_03: 20:03

Damn, yeah. And I can't, I and I don't know what's like being in the military, so I can't equate it to that. So I will definitely take your word on it. It makes sense, but at the same point, though, do it just seems like what you went through might be a little tougher, but I digress, right? So, yeah, with uh with what you what with what you've experienced, and you know how hard it was, and you obviously we all want better for our kids, right? We're always trying to do something so that way they're the next best thing compared to what we were. Don't make mistakes I did. I'm showing you those kind of things. So as you're going through that in life, with because now we're gonna get down to max here, right? Yeah, as you're kind of getting to max and coaching them. And when did you notice something with him that it was gonna be that type of thing? Or was it never really a worry? If it happened, it happened.

SPEAKER_00: 20:49

No, so I I knew like when we you you get kids that can just catch on really quick, yeah. You can teach them one thing and they can they just get it right away, right? I was like, oh, okay, he he he he he he understands very quickly, right? Yeah, and even with my other kids, they um they understood, but it was it was more like he understood, but he he understood what was going on, but he he really like progressed really fast. And I was like, oh, okay, you you understand, and you can do the moves. Don't you know how you got kids that you can teach them one thing, you can teach them a single leg, and it's like, damn, you actually you he do it, it's like man, yeah, you you you really good at this, right? With other kids, it might take uh two to three weeks to understand how to do a single leg double off. I mean, not single leg, but a high crotch double off. And he just understand it's it's the process of of your brain of how it just translates really, really quick. And I knew that he had it, right? I just knew he had it. And JL and my daughters and him, they had it. Like it was, it was it was it was phenomenal. Like when I try to tell you when you teach them something and they can just pick it up really quick, that's how you know they got it, just athletes. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03: 22:32

And I I I always kind of look for that. So I played soccer from like three until like 2022 or whatever it was.

SPEAKER_00: 22:38

Were you pretty good at soccer?

SPEAKER_03: 22:39

I played semi-pro. I played from Milwaukee Wave.

SPEAKER_00: 22:42

Yeah, oh my god, yeah, Max played soccer too, semi-pro and Milwaukee wave. No, you went you weren't kind of good, you was really good. Come on now. Don't don't shoot.

SPEAKER_03: 22:53

I was all right.

SPEAKER_00: 22:54

I was right.

SPEAKER_03: 22:54

I but I that's why I tried to get him in it because I was like, Man, I could I could make this kid a striker, I could have him scoring goals.

SPEAKER_00: 23:00

So what what what what was you a uh was you a Ford or what was in your wallet?

SPEAKER_03: 23:05

I was a striker, I was a striker. I like scoring goals. Okay, so you was out there. I like hearing your name being yelled when I score, you know. I like hearing that. So I scored a lot. I I had fun scoring goals, and that was the whole that was my job. That I I mean, other than the other positions and things that they put you in, but being a striker was my job, and I yeah, enjoyed scoring goals. Um, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't want to force because of that. I mean, I'm not like this pro dad that like knows pro sports, but I also wasn't the dad that was like, you know, I'm just gonna kind of take a back seat, you know. Like if a kid's good enough, they still have to be pushed, right? They still have like you have to give them that little nudge that kind of might push them past their limits a little bit, you know. The craziest parents make the best athletes. I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Um because okay, the the crazy craziest, but the parents that do actually understand, like they can see that like too much pressure. Because trust me, I've seen plenty of parents who are crazy. The kids definitely take a shit later on in the year because they don't even want to wrestle anymore because dad's nuts, right? Yeah, so it it is still it is still true, though. Because if you look at some of these parents, I mean, okay, and nothing to nothing against Spencer Lee's mom, but look how much she lost her shit when he got pinned, right? She broke her glasses, yeah, wound them up like she almost turned them into peppers, right? She just crushed them, and I was like, Whoa, like I've been pretty upset when Liam loses, but I don't think I've ever been that upset, dude.

SPEAKER_00: 24:34

Just think about this, though. Just think about this. Think about Michael Jordan's son, think about Magic Johnson's son. Granted, Magic Johnson's son is a little broke, Ris, but I'm not gonna say that. But anywho, think about it though. Matt, these parents think that the shit just naturally gonna happen versus the parents that understand the hard work that it takes to get their kids to the next level.

SPEAKER_03: 25:00

Yep, yep. And so because I was a soccer player, I don't know, like I don't know wrestling. Even now, I don't want to coach Liam because it's beyond me, right? It's past it's past what I know. So that's why I tried to help in the youth program, tried to help a little bit out in a couple clubs and help coach and stuff like that. Just so I can pick up a little bit more, just so I can learn more and smoke it in, you know. Because I'm gonna coach him. And number one, I don't want to take my kid to a tournament and coach him the wrong way. And he goes back in the room and the coach is like, What are you doing? Oh, my dad showed me this. Then they're gonna be like, Don't coach your kid anymore. So I won't.

SPEAKER_00: 25:29

So I had a dad yesterday, right? At a practice at AWA. Yeah, his daughter, uh, I'm not gonna say the name, but he like, uh, she just like she get the single leg and then she like run forward and do a front row. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? And I'm talking to her, and she like, Well, this is what I was like, nah, that's not how we do that, but let me explain to you why. But no, I hear what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03: 25:57

Yeah, it's I so I just got to the point of like because it's beyond me. So not only did I want to make sure that he was pushed, but I also want to make sure that he was learning. So I yes, that's the key point. Learn. I had I had to start listening to other people. I had to start because I'm this dude, I'm very I have a plan. That's my wife. I have a plan, and I am that I'm doing that. Whatever's over here doesn't matter. I'm doing that plan, whether you bring distractions in or not. That's what I'm doing. Yes, yes. So I got to a point with him where it was just like, okay, so I'm listening to like I talked to Jamie Nelson. I'm sure you've talked to Jamie Nelson once or twice, as far as you know, uh tournaments. He's kind of telling me things, they'll tell me about tournaments. I'm like, Oh, what's what's that tournament? You know, like he's telling me about super 32s, and he's telling me about preseason nationals. Liam's not even in this stuff yet. We haven't even done Midwest tour stuff yet, right? We haven't even touched it. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not driving to North Carolina for an eight-year-old. No way, not doing it, you know. So we got to the point of like, okay, what are clubs around here that'll push them? You know, we're not. I'm not gonna lie, what you got going on? What you doing? You're you're doing hand gestures over there and stuff, and what do you got going on?

SPEAKER_00: 27:09

I'm trying to tell her, bring my phone.

SPEAKER_03: 27:13

Get my phone over here, just just uh just tell her bring your phone in, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 27:17

Bring my phone over here, bring my phone over here, Jay.

SPEAKER_03: 27:20

So I did I kind of listened and paid attention to, like, you know, you want to get him wrestling. You know, there's these kids over here. So we started listening to clubs. First club we went to, and I'm as much as I don't like a guy, he was at aviators, right? That's that's what we saw. So we took him there. He gained Keegan, Keegan Genrich, guys. If you don't get a chance, go watch Keegan Genrich fight. Like the guy, if he would probably have stated aviators if Keegan Genrich was the only coach there, like literally.

SPEAKER_00: 27:43

No, isn't is is the aviator coach still the aviator coach there? No, I thought he I thought he might Jason Kleinschmidt.

SPEAKER_03: 27:50

Maybe I sorry okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but uh, yeah, I think he's there. I have no idea. He moved somewhere and then, but whatever. But Keegan came back around, he's doing his thing, and uh, but that I put him in clubs like that, so then it kind of got to the point of, and I don't want to hear people on Twitter and all this other shit bitching about well, you know, you shouldn't switch clubs, you shouldn't do this. A lot of parents switch clubs because or or have their kids go to other clubs at the same time as that other club. Is yes to get a better partner or different partners, you know, this guy goes here, you can get this work. I don't know a lot of kids around by us that are going to like five, six different clubs, but we had Liam in two clubs at once. Uh, he listened to the coaches well, he learned well. I usually yeah, but we weren't and I know I think Ben was talking about we weren't club jumping, you know, we weren't doing like multiple, you know, five different clubs, but um, we noticed that he was progressing going to one club a lot more, so we zeroed it out. We went, we started taking him to Askren. Josh and and Dewey Krieger had transformed Liam when it comes to national type wrestling, right? Like when it came to being competitive, wrestling hard, wrestling smart. Um, you know, Liam still would always get winded because he didn't want to get in a treadmill or you know, all this other stuff, but still that's been a battle since he was probably 10 years old. So we find I that's once I got him in front of coaches like that, I was still helping at aviators. When we got to Askren, I was I was just watching the window. That's it. I didn't talk to him. He saw me, you know, like I was just kind of there as a dad in the window, but like, hey, pay attention to what you're doing, you know, don't be doing that shit, you know, kind of correcting him, right? Yeah, so that's I I wanted to put him in hands that I could trust, right? Because that's that's what happens when a kid's able to click with a coach and you can tell that they're doing well. I don't want to, I don't want to get in the way, I don't want to interrupt what you're doing. I want to let you do your thing because you're good at it, and I'm not as good as you, right? Yeah, that's where we kind of got to. And once we got him to Asprin, I kind of started to realize this is a little bit bigger than what I think he thinks it is. He he's really kind of pushing the limits. So at 11, we took him to North Carolina, right? We took him to Super 32 at 11. 11 at 11. And he brought around same time that Mac Max went around his sixth grade a year, too. Yep, yep. And he took third and didn't place after that until last year. It's tough, right? But that was the that, like I said, at that age, I gotten to the point where I was just kind of like, okay, you're doing something. I need to leave it alone, but I'm gonna be here. I'm the I was the guy that was pushing him that little bit, right? The coaches did their thing, and I'd be like, Oh, what coach tell you? You know, I'll take that little piece of information that coach gave him and I'll dial it up a notch just to make him kick it into gear, just a little bit extra, right? That's all I wanted to do. I would always ask Josh, hey, we're going to this tournament. What is it? What do I need to look at? You know, things like that. Got to the point where it's just like, okay, this is what he's he wants to wrestle. Oh, everybody knows us. It was Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa. That kid had three Iowa singlets, he had Iowa shorts, he had Iowa hat, he had Iowa jacket, he had Iowa backpack, he had Iowa shoes, he had Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, he had uh Iowa tattoos on his face, too. Whatever. But we that was that was just I think it was a good way to kind of get him to grind, you know, watching the the Iowa videos. I don't know what you guys did, but man, I'll tell you what, when we was when William was little and he was because there's days where he'd be kind of down, we'd do a little bit of monster in this in a in a cup form, put some monster in there, give him a little kick. Um, but that was it. That was it. We just wound him up and let him go. Coaching, like you said, I didn't I I knew about single eggs, double eggs, you know, half Nelson's cradles, all that stuff. I just took coaching the basic shit, and then yeah, we let it go. And I noticed uh again it like you know when we when we started going to some of those national tournaments, he really wanted to do it, and I said, Okay, so I started a dual team, Wisconsin Iron. You know, I I didn't want just you know Liam to get better. I we knew a bunch of kids, you know, uh Landon Bogards, uh Camden Ruggs, the you know, all these kids that are now D going to D1 schools. Yeah, that I took we wanted those kids around because we knew that they were they were a part of that thing, you know, they're part of that mentality of they this is what they want to do.

SPEAKER_00: 32:10

Might be a pipe dream, but they're pushing no, it's is is no real real talk. It's the parents, man. Those parents, you need to be around those type of parents that, like I said before, the craziest parents make the best sports kids, right? Those were the kids that were like the rugs, yourself, the Bogards, the um um um um uh oh my god, what was his name? Um uh um the the Lebinskys, those type of kids, those type of parents. We needed to be around those dudes because we needed to see what was what what was the like the next level, right? We needed to push each other in order for us to succeed to where we at. Now think about this though, because Liam, Max, Brooke, Lebensky, uh Um, um Bogart, the um um um those kids, like like Zom Bills, the Bills. Yeah, we were at every we were at every national tournament. Yes, correct. We were at every local tournament. We were we were we were everywhere and we pushed each other and we tested each other to make sure that we were what we need to be at. Think about it now. Your son going D1, Bill gonna go D1, yeah, Rug is going D one. Yep, even D2, like we pushed each other to make us to make each other better, dude. Right, like it was it was crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 33:45

It was an information pipeline, right? Like you were saying, the parents challenge each other because they're saying, Oh, we heard so and so went here, we're gonna go here. We're like, Yeah, we are too. When are you going?

SPEAKER_00: 33:55

You know, the middle school duels, the preseason nationals, yep, the battle by the borders, yep, all these places, like we competed. Yep, Tulsa. We went to Tulsa twice, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 34:07

Like, I went to Tulsa one time.

SPEAKER_00: 34:09

I went to Tulsa one time.

SPEAKER_03: 34:11

I went, I went twice, and after the second, I mean it was a tough tournament, right?

SPEAKER_00: 34:14

And after, I don't know, I think we're good. It was it was tough, and I was like, Yeah, I don't know if we're gonna go back here again, but man, it was freaking it, it it it was freaking tough, dude. It was tough, but we pushed each other to get us better.

SPEAKER_03: 34:30

So we got to this point, right? So we got to this point, and I knew at some point we would start getting you know communication from coaches, things like that, yeah, phone calls and whatnot. And and most of the time, it get and this is the way so, folks. This is where hopefully pay parents kind of pay attention because this is I didn't know any of this stuff, and and again, I thank Jamie Nelson for the help with it, the letting me know about certain things and how how you should approach a coach and things you should say to a coach. Because I didn't, as much as Liam didn't know, I didn't know. I didn't know how to talk to these guys, I don't know how to you know if they call like how they don't care about me, they don't give two shits about parents. Parents understand that they don't care about you, they do because you have the you have the child they want, yeah. They don't care about you. They're actually watching some of the actions that you do to see if maybe that's what your kid does, but that's it, they don't care. That's that right. Say it again, say it again. They they do what they don't care about you, they care about the kid, they care about the wrestler. That's what they care about. Actions that the parents do, correct, correct. They they watch so they watch mannerisms, they watch reactions, they watch everything, you know. There's always it's an interview, you are interviewing for them, and they're interviewing for you. It's a whole interview process, right? Correct, correct. So, I think the fact that we get lost in of oh, I'm so excited to go to this with them. That's great, but you need to take a back seat, like you need to just be a guide. Um, but let's be honest though.

SPEAKER_00: 35:58

If if we had dads like us, dog, we would be phenomenal. Come on, let's be honest with it, though. Let's be honest. Hey, most parents ain't gonna talk to hey, I'm gonna put the goddamn hat up, right here. If I had a dad like me, oh goddamn, I'd be motherfucking phenomenal. I ain't even gonna goddamn lie. Let's be 100 with it.

SPEAKER_03: 36:23

Right, right, right. I but the thing is that the with me in the in the process that I you know and and listening to what I was being told and things like that. I I was like, okay, well, I get it, I get it. It's not it's not about me, so I have to watch my P's and Q's. I don't really watch my P's and Q's anymore, but I at first I was watching my Ps.

SPEAKER_00: 36:41

I don't even meet Karen.

SPEAKER_03: 36:43

So, you know, the first I knew so I knew Liam wasn't gonna be a badger. You ready, Dimitri? This is the one who wanted to.

SPEAKER_00: 36:50

Oh, we're about to go here. Hold on, give me, give me, give me one second. Hey, say hey, all day about to pop in real quick. Oh give me one second. Hey, give me one second. I'm about to go, give me one second, I'm about to pop off, and I'm gonna come right back.

SPEAKER_03: 37:06

All right, hey, hey, give me one second. You bet, you bet. I'll I'll keep everybody going while you're doing something. Okay, set said hey is gonna be back. Said hey all day. I'm not gonna go too much of the badger thing because I I know I got I got someone coming back here, but I it it was it was a it was a peculiar type of situation, right? It wasn't at the time, it was not I mean it wasn't really a no, I guess, with the badgers. Like, I mean, when we first uh we went to the duel against Iowa, you know, things like that, because it was Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa. We went to the duel, we watched the duel. Um, the badgers got smashed that day, you know, right? I mean, we went there as Iowa fans in the first place. We weren't there necessarily to see if the badgers were gonna pull off a win against them because at that point it wasn't, I mean, it just was not happening.

SPEAKER_00: 37:57

But all right, let's talk about this right now. All right, you ready? Heck came o say hey all day coming out. Okay, all right, badgers. Let me tell you this right here. Yep, right. Max wanted to be a badger, fucking bono, and I'ma say it. You might not like it, and I'm gonna say it. Whatever, it don't matter at this point. Bono they won't max. And I'm glad Bono didn't won't max. They're gonna be mad at me. Say what you want to say.

SPEAKER_03: 38:31

Don't matter, they don't watch my shit.

SPEAKER_00: 38:34

Um say it, say it and spray it. It's it's it's the fact of the matter is that you gotta remember these are 17, 16, 17, 18-year-old kids, right?

SPEAKER_03: 38:52

Correct.

SPEAKER_00: 38:52

Why why do you think that they don't understand life like that, right? They understand, remember when you was a kid, yep, and we thought we was gonna be a badger, but I promise you, si you is probably one of the best colleges, yeah, that I have been to. Coach DJ D T Darrell Thomas. Oh my god, when this man came to my house and he was the first person to come in, and he said he sat down right here where I'm at. My wife Asian, she had egg rolls set down, right? Egg rolls, probably one of the best egg rolls you're gonna have in your life. So if you need some goddamn egg rolls, tell at your boy say hey all day. I need some goddamn egg rolls, that's gonna be for phenomenal, right? Because they authentic. You feel me? They from the motherland, so we sat down and he said, Hey, look, I was recruiting you because you was beating the kids that I was recruiting, and I said, Okay, he said, You beat the kids that was recruiting, but you just lost to just randoms, and I said, Oh, I love you. I said, You came here and you told the truth. Yep, and when he said that, I knew I knew personally, I knew. I said, This is the place that Max needs to be at. Daryl Thomas is a phenomenal coach. Did you go to the campus? Yeah, we went to the campus. The campus was for was freaking phenomenal. I loved it. Good, good, and and then, and this is why I loved it, right? We love fishing, we love hunting. Yes, I'm black, I love hunting, I love fishing, right? No, oh my god, I love fishing and hunting, and they took us to the back trails of like like they had us on the golf carts, and we was hitting the trails where the where the fishing ponds was at, where the hunting ponds was at, and oh my god, I freaking loved it, dude. Was it just you guys? Oh, it was me, max, my wife, my kids, my kids, and it was a couple other recruits. And I said, Max, this is the place where you need to be at because they're going to develop you. Nice.

SPEAKER_03: 41:12

So that was the big thing that we that we learned as well. Um, not not just about like the school itself, but like so, parents, when these kids are looking at these schools, right? You're still long. Don't when I say stay out of it, like I'm just saying be a guy, right? Don't put your nose, don't stick your nose in it. Just be off to the side listening because that's when you guys walk away. That's when you can talk to your son or daughter and be like, Hey, no, this coach said this. Maybe you should pay attention to this, you know, kind of thing. Help them out with that, right? Don't butt in, though, right? So, we got to the point where we kind of said, Okay, this was told to me. They have to number one, pretend you're not going to school there. Parents pay attention to them, pretend you're not gonna go to school there, pretend you're just moving there and you're gonna live there. Could you see yourself doing it? Okay, that's one factor, obviously. And then the other factor you just mentioned that coach made number one, it made you feel comfortable as a parent, so that it made me feel comfortable when he said you beat the top kids, but you lose to randoms.

SPEAKER_00: 42:14

That's what I love the most.

SPEAKER_03: 42:15

Yep, yep. He recognized something in him already, right? So that's that's a path of development in my eyes. That's a path of development already when they can kind of see and pay attention. Oh, their coaches may have seen it, but they didn't tell him, right? They didn't, yeah, they didn't say it to his face or present it to him, so then they might have. But so what we also learned, too, is that with the expectations of a coach, right? Not every coach needs you to win super 32, not every coach needs you to win preseason nationals. These guys see potential in your kids, so allow them that chance to to let that potential shine through, regardless of wherever it is. Make sure they're comfortable with the coach, make sure you're comfortable with the coach. You're still sending your child here, right? I want to reiterate, don't just ignore the situation, but just stay back, be in the background. Um, it's a fun process. Um, I can tell you when when essentially when our recruiting process started, this is how uh cool Wisconsin was to us. It's a great story. They already knew Liam wasn't going there. I had made it abundantly clear online, whether it was online on here. I made it abundantly clear he was not gonna be going to Wisconsin. So, with that being said, recruiting process started, and I want to say I can't remember when he sent the postcard out, but I know Reader always kind of had a smile on his face, and he was always the nicest to Liam. I I I've always kind of gravitated more towards Reader. Um, I just I just like the guy's energy. I I don't know how he would do as a head coach, but I I liked him. So I was like, you know, I don't hate you know all everything about the badgers. There's some guys that were on the team that we like. I love Barnett, he's a great kid. The guy, man now, he's not a kid, but we got to the point where we had gotten, I think, a uh a card from NDSU. Um from the coach. I got I got NDSU, yeah. And then we got this postcard from the Badgers, right? And I'm like, dude, you got a postcard? Hanging no goddamn postcard, guys. I got a postcard, but the point was is that he we he wasn't gonna go there, but we get this postcard that says looking forward to going to the recruiting process with you, Liam John Reader. John, stop it. You weren't gonna recruit him because you know you weren't gonna funny postcard, funny haha. You know, great, great job sending that over saying, Hey, maybe he's gonna go here because maybe he's not, you know, kind of thing. So we ignored that. Now we started going into the rest of the process, right? First step was NDSU. That was the first visit we took. I'm totally new to it, I didn't go to college, right? How did you like NDSU though? How did you like it? Was it was loved it? I love Obi. Obi's a great, great guy. I I love the coaching staff. Matt and Lee was great. Um, I think um uh big big big guy. Oh man, if I can remember his name, he actually went back to Penn State. Uh-huh. Um, so he he left, but we love the place, and I think um Tyson Martin was there in the visit with us as well. Okay, okay. As kids, you know, those both were both those guys are kind of hanging out, and I think Liam's telling me he's like, Yeah, Tyson and I, if we both go here, we're gonna be like roommates and stuff. I'm like, Ah, this is okay, this is where the dreaming part starts with the you want to do this stuff, you know. So it was fun listening because he was excited. I was like, Okay, he's having fun, doing let's let's do this thing, right? And Liam's big on not drinking, right? Doesn't want to be around it, doesn't want to have a picture if it's in the he doesn't want it. He's safe sport, all that shit. And he said, he won't even okay. Christina, let's let's put it this way Christina likes to drink uh Mike's hard lemonade, right? She won't ask him to get it because he'll tell her no because of safe sport from the refrigerator. I have to go get it. Okay, that's how serious this kid is. He doesn't want to touch it, doesn't want to be around it. We go to NDSU, nothing gets these guys, they're college kids, and we're there during homecoming, nonetheless, right?

SPEAKER_01: 45:55

Liam and Tyson were asked crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 45:57

Liam asked if they wanted to if him and Tyson wanted to either go golfing or maybe go to like a party or something like that. You know what I'm saying? He's like, Tyson and I looked at each other, and we were like, we want to go golfing. I was like, All right, okay, okay, that's cool. I appreciate that. Because I mean, you totally could have said, Yeah, I want to go check out, you know, see what college party looks like. I don't blame those kids like at all, but in Liam's head, he doesn't want to babysit that, right? He doesn't want to have to worry about a teammate coming in. When you what was the first visit Max went on?

SPEAKER_00: 46:28

So we went on to uh abstate. Um I like abstate, I like Bianchi, uh Angie Bianchi, ma'am, Bianchi and family. Bianchi, uh, I forgot his. I forgot the over there. Like Bianchi, dude. Yeah, dude. They're for freaking phenomenal there. We would have gone to App State. I promise you, we would have gone to AbState if uh certain things would have lined up with us. Um and then we went to um and the only and the only other college that came to visit us at home, yeah, was SIUE. Daryl Thomas. Okay, nobody else came to to visit us, right? Because think about it. Max, he won, but he never really won the big things, he never won state second twice, fifth his first mere, yeah. Um US Open, he placed. Um, so it it was really never like that. So SIU came and and and Daryl Thomas said that I was recruiting you because and I asked him when he's sitting, dude, right here where I'm at right now. He was sitting on the couch, and I said, Why are you recruiting him? He said, You beat the kids that I was recruiting, and you will beat the high-level kids, but then you will you will lose to randoms. And when he said that, I said, I like you because you came into my home and told me that Max is good, but he still loses to people he should never lose to. I respect that, yeah. Uh, we went we we had went to Abstate. Um, it was it was a great visit. Um some things I didn't uh I I loved some things I didn't love, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And um, I just felt like Daryl Thomas because he recruited Dejahn and he recruited McGee, but then he wound up they they wound up uh canceling the program at O Dominion, and I believe that he was genuine. And when I went to that uh college visit at SIUE, I said, uh, and you know me, I'm just a motherfucker, right? I'm gonna just say the most craziest shit ever in the world. I'm gonna be honest with you. I said, uh, is this like uh a natural thing? Is this repetitive? Like, do you do this all the time? He said, Look, yeah, I do, but when the people that I I enjoy, I want, I really talk to. And he was just very genuine. And when he was genuine, he was honest. I I just immediately like I said, I like you, and it's development, dude. It was development all day. Bianchi, I would have gone to I went to Abstate, but it was other things that I just didn't agree with. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I like to be honest with it. Parents gotta be honest. Like, I know my son, I know what this is, and I don't like certain things, and I do like certain things. The coach was phenomenal, like they develop kids and they just do, but uh it was more like SIEWE just really can't. They they came, they came to the house, they saw the potential. Yeah, it's really about the potential in college, it's not like what you've done, it's about your potential at the next level. That's what I love to see is the potential, and they actually was honest, dude. I I that's what I loved about it.

SPEAKER_03: 50:21

There was the second trip was to Indiana for us. Um, PD's down there. Um we went to I can't remember when it was. Um, but they had a they had a football. Obviously, they try to get you there when there's a football game, right? That's a big recruiting thing. So we got down there.

SPEAKER_00: 50:39

They do the football, but Wisconsin didn't bring us on the official visit, though. I swear to god, we'd have gone to Wisconsin. Wisconsin didn't bring us an official visit. I'm gonna talk shit right now. I'm I'm gonna talk my shit real quick. You hear me? I'm gonna talk my shit. Fuck it. I'm gonna talk my shit. Bono your motherfucking ass brunkers down there, and you told us this. You said we're not gonna give you a scholarship. We'll do this, we'll do that. I'm like, okay. Max was at um Fargo. Max is right here right now. He's looking at me like, Dad, don't do this, Max. So we we was at Fargo. He watched um a wrestler before us, right? Yep, I'm gonna take the head off right now. Well, he watched the wrestling match before us. My my wife just told me to stop. I'm not gonna stop. I'm gonna just be honest with you. This said hey all day, right? So they watched the wrestler before us. Yep, they walked away from our match, right? And I had Max uh text the coach. I said, Hey, text the messy. Did they say he was like, Oh, yeah, buddy, I saw your match, do we? We we phenomenal is whatever. Yeah, and I said, Bullshit. That was the that that was the um the weakest response ever heard in my life. And at that moment, I knew Max wasn't didn't want to go there, and at that moment I knew that they didn't want us there. Yeah, go someplace where you want it not tolerate it.

SPEAKER_03: 52:20

Yeah, and that's that I was just gonna get that. So that's the one thing that I noticed. Like when we went to Indiana, they didn't and most big 10 schools or some big 10 schools I hear uh do this. Like they they bring you up, they tell you, you know, whatever this is what we think your son is, we think he's a builder, all this other things. Um they don't make an offer, right? Unfortunately, with the time frame of what we were in with the NIL deal, with the roster cuts deal, that kind of thing. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that we I mean, obviously, I knew a lot about what was going on with with the NCAA, and so I told Liam was like, Hey, you have to be decisive, you know, you got to make a decision. We have to figure out where you're gonna fit in because you also have to look at a school. If your kid's trying to wrestle there too, are they gonna start next year or are they gonna start in two years?

SPEAKER_00: 53:04

You know, are they it didn't even matter about starting? I just want him to get a great a great experience in a college degree.

SPEAKER_03: 53:12

There's an expectation, there's a slight expectation, yes. You know what I'm saying? There's a there's that slight expectation. The education was always the big thing. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I mean, I want my kid to wrestle, right? But I'm not gonna lie. I'm he's going to Virginia. This is basically a public Ivy school. When he said he was going there, I was like, Hold yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, education's gonna be top-notch. Let's do this, man. Like, I don't even care, right? But either way, what we're the Indiana was just kind of like, yeah, love the coach again. Uh uh I love those guys, they were very nice, very welcoming. Never never had a problem there. Um, the Iowa visit, the the all three of those schools came in home, right? The Iowa visit was the one that really turned us off because of the non-transparency of what was gonna go on with what do you mean non-transparency? What um so what I knew what was going on with the NCAA, and we all know Iowa, you know, they got a guy that's got money, his name's Bob, right? We'll just go with that. So that I I and I knew that they were gonna try and there, there's something dude.

SPEAKER_00: 54:12

They're gonna hate us after this podcast, you know they're right. I don't really care because it's going to Virginia.

SPEAKER_03: 54:18

So um, I I told Morningstar, I specifically said, I want to know. We don't we when we get down there, we don't want to talk about anything about NIL. We don't want to talk about anything. I want to know what the school's gonna invest in. I mean, he's like, Well, you know, it's all kind of part of it. I was like, I get that that shit can all come afterwards. I don't want to hear about it, you know, just because and I said too, I said Liam's gonna be coming when Bo Bassett's there, when D Lockett's there, when Jax Forrest is there. I was like, he's gonna be in the background, you know. I don't know how it's gonna feel for him. You're gonna, you know, I mean, taking the experience for what it is, but before we even had that visit to the the actual official visit to Iowa, he went to Virginia, right? Now, Liam had been to Iowa four or five times already, training at the RTC was what oh really? Oh Santo and guys like that, and doing all the workouts, you know, that shit. So he'd been down there, you got the feel kind of already. The official visit would have just been to like probably hit up a football game and then kind of hang out with some guys, and that he already knew, you know. So it wasn't a it wasn't gonna be like this huge kind of deal, so it wasn't a big deal that boat was there, but and all those guys. But either way, he kind of we went to Virginia. Virginia, so this is another thing, they never even came to our house. Virginia never came to our house.

SPEAKER_00: 55:27

Really?

SPEAKER_03: 55:28

Their their house visit was to our camper outside of 32 super 32. That was what kind of camper you got. What kind of camper you got? Well, we just rented an RV, that was all we did. We rented an RV, okay, I'll just go down because when we were done, we met him for the first time. When we were done, we were driving up to Virginia to go visit those guys. That's when we went on the official visit. Liam's a big history kid, walked around Virginia a little bit, got sold. Um, you can't beat the connections, you can't, you know, when it comes to getting an education, you can't. I mean, it's great. There are don't get me wrong, other schools has nothing to do with these other schools, but just in the light of like, holy, he's gonna go to Virginia. Like, damn. Okay, we got out of the elevator of Virginia after talking to those guys, they kind of made the offer, things like that. And um Liam walks out, he goes, I'm going here. I'm like, whoa, whoa, like you gotta you have an Iowa visit yet. He goes, Nope, not going.

SPEAKER_00: 56:22

So he already knew already he wanted to go to uh Garland.

SPEAKER_03: 56:26

When those guys were coaching, we we were just watching a practice, just watching, right? And same thing that you said with the coach, he came in and he gave you the real deal. You know, we say he told you exactly what he thought and what he saw. Garland was coaching, telling his guys, saying, I'm repeating myself. Why do I have to repeat myself in here? I was like, Man, what that sounds like me. Like, that's how I talk. Like, holy shit, like, I hate I hate repeating myself.

SPEAKER_00: 56:51

Dude, I felt like that with with with with uh Daryl Thomas, as when he was sitting down here on my couch over here. I swear, I promise you. I said, That is me. If I would have gone the college coaching route, I said, I promise you, he sounds like me.

SPEAKER_03: 57:08

Darland apologized to me because I'm sorry you had to hear that. I was like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, continue, continue, please. I like what you're saying. So, I mean, it was sold, and he was comfortable there. We as parents, I mean, Christina's a history major, so the east coast is like she lives in it, like we're gonna be over there constantly, right? So, we were sold there right away, and it felt like home to Liam. Like the guys, they brought him in, they told a story about Jack Lesher was talking about how he you know was told that he was gonna get this scholarship, and then something happened with some funds, and they said they might not be able to do it. He's like, Coach Garland came through, he pulled through, and he he got it done what he promised, and he keeps his promises. And I said, That's that's when you know, and not not every not everybody's gonna like Garland. You could you guys, you know, obviously, you like DT, right? So, yeah, there's everybody's got their fit somewhere, it doesn't have to be at a huge school, guys. These D3 and D2 schools. Man, have you seen some of the wrestlers coming out of there? Grandview is pretty good college, right? Don't shy away from those schools, take every opportunity, take every visit. That's one thing that we took away from DeSanto. Yeah, his parents never let him visit anywhere, he was homeschooled. They told him he was going to Drexel.

SPEAKER_00: 58:19

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03: 58:20

He said, Take every visit you get, take every single one, whether you're going there or not, take every single visit because you don't know, you don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 58:28

Yeah, you don't. You you you you really don't, and I think what a lot of parents need to understand is that uh it's about the authenticity of the of the coach. If you have a good discernment of what a person really is, you would know if that's the right fit for you. For sure, for sure. That's what I I that's what I 100% believe.

SPEAKER_03: 58:52

So with with what you guys went through, the process, where I guess what was the most you guys had some fun at SIU, you know, you guys you they took you around and kind of took you on a golf cart and kind of went through the woods and shit like that. But what was it?

SPEAKER_00: 59:08

Yeah, we was going, we was going crazy over there at SIU. It was so much fun, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_03: 59:13

What what part of it um I guess what part of it was your favorite? What part did you like the most out of it as a parent?

SPEAKER_00: 59:20

I like the fact that we were sitting at lunch, we was at Chick-fil-A, right? They we were at Chick-fil-A, and I said, uh, you guys do these visits a lot. When does it get redundant? When does it get repetitive? Like, do you say the same thing over and over again? Like, or are you authentic? And DT and the other coach was like, Yeah, it does get repetitive, but you know when you know, you know the kid that wants to be here, and you know that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:00

Kid that don't want to be here, yep, yep, and that's so that Liam noticed that Liam noticed that too, just being on trips. Like there are kids that were just like on their phone the whole time, right? Yes, doing nothing. I think Garland kind of ran into a situation like that too. Like, because the coaches, like you when it's interesting that you asked that because they put a lot into it, right? Especially when they're bringing a group of kids in, you know, they put a lot into it, and I think there were some kids that weren't paying too much attention at the time, and I think it kind of is like, hey, you guys want to be here, or do you not want to be here?

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:34

Do you want to be here or or or do you don't? Yes, and that was the biggest thing, but like the like to be honest with you, just to be the most authentic of it all is when if a coach comes do a home visit and they tell you the honest truth about who your kid is, and they don't care that this is like right. I'm in my house, right? This is my house. I'm a I'm I'm the husband, I'm the father. This is my house. And when another man comes in this house trying to give you direction on your son and he tells you the truth and he don't hold back, that's when you know the authenticity of everything.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:24

For sure.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:25

It's when that man is not scared to tell another man the truth in his home. Yep, that's when you know you you you need to go with that coach. If that man comes in your house and says, Yo, son beats, yeah. I was recruiting your son because he was beating the kids that I was recruiting, but he losed to random kids that he should not lose to, and he was not scared to say that. I said, You know what, dude? I I will roll with I will go to war with you any day.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:59

So I'm I'm proud of Max. You know, we've watched him for a while, so it's good that he got to a place that he's comfortable that he likes, and and I hope he does nothing but grows and succeeds. I he's gonna do awesome, right? I'd just look at his parents, like you guys have raised him right, he's gonna do good. So I think we're done talking about our kids now, right? Yeah, done. I think we're done talking about recruiting. So you kind of went off today. You kind of went off.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:27

Do what I'm about to tell you right now, motherfucking RQ, right? Hey, cowboy goddamn said hey all day. I'm about putting head on right now. God damn it. Hey, check me out, right? Hey, check me out. RQ said at RQ said, look at the goddamn post. Cedric Hay will never touch my goddamn legs. I double legged him and foot swinged him, and I blast doubled his goddamn ass. If you don't believe me, look at the goddamn footage at AWA good to go.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:54

Ben's Ben's got that pulled up. Ben's got that pulled up except. But here's the thing. So everybody okay, everybody out there, you don't know RQ. If you know uh wrestling and you're on rock fin, there's a page and kind of advertising for him. God sucks. Uh, he's one of the RQ.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:09

RQ is hey, you need to talk to R. If you really just sit down and talk to RQ, that motherfucker got a goddamn story that will blow your mind, dude. I'm sure he does. I'm sure he does. Oh my god, RQ was the phenomenal wrestler, phenomenal kid.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:27

Yeah, I'm not saying he wasn't, I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm just talking about the WI wrestle thing. It's on so he's he's a part of WI Wrestle, right? And he wrestled, right? So he was a he was did good, good high school wrestling. I'm not never gonna take anything away from his abilities, right? Especially wrestling in college, yeah. Wrestling college. So uh you got challenged by him at one point, right? So RQ said something, he's a young guy. You're how old said how old are you? I'm 37. RQ, like 20 something. Yep, yep, yep. So a little banter went back on back and forth, right? Are you there? I can't hear you. Go ahead, go ahead. You can't, you can't okay. So banter was going back and forth that that started out. Did RQ say something to you first?

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:10

No, so I felt like RQ wasn't giving us the respect that we needed. Okay, you feel it dig me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, but what's RQ wasn't giving the respect that we needed, and I said, you know what, RQ? I'm gonna beat your ass. RQ didn't want that smoke, so we get the wrestling, right? I I I I I play a little cat and mouse game with his ass a little bit. I'm I'm just playing around with him. RQ say, okay, I'm gonna do this. Yeah, and I put him on his ass. Hey, RQ wrestled in college. I never wrestled in college, right? The the moment so back in 2007, 2008, I was gonna go in college to wrestle at Lakeland College. Okay, Milwaukee Custer High School. I was gonna wrestle in college. I had a couple of my fucking I had one buddy that went to fucking goddamn Lakeland College, you got the stealing goddamn cell phones, motherfucker. God damn stealing cell phones, you motherfucker. So, excuse my language. So he's got the stealing cell phones. I had a kid when I was nine, eight, eighteen years old. I was married at 18, been married for 20 years, same goddamn wife, five goddamn kids. Yes, I'm a goddamn unicorn. You feel me? Yes, so I was gonna wrestling, he didn't want to do it. I was like, let's get let's get this working. I called him out, I put him on his ass. Hey, RQ, I put you on your ass. You literally said Cedric will not touch my goddamn legs, whoa, your goddamn line. I put you on your goddamn ass, good to go. And then after that, right? I'm like, okay, it's good to go. I put him on his ass. So, RQ, like, oh dude, I don't want to do this anymore. It's okay, it's not even worth it. No, RQ, you called me out at WI Wrestle. You didn't want to go live, and I put you on your ass. Somebody who never wrestled in college put you on your ass and put you on your back. How at your boy? That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:29

So okay, so when I heard the whole thing, like I think Liam told me about it, and Liam was kind of like, Hey, jeer, that uh that said and RQ are gonna wrestle. I'm like, No, they're not. No, they're not, yeah, won't it? So I so I I saw your stream, right? I saw your stream, and because you even said too, he's like, We're gonna wrestle, we're gonna do a live, we can do a live, was we're gonna do a little wrestling match, whatever. And I think you said something about you thought it was gonna be like a period, then they wanted to do a whole match. You're like, Oh, hell no, like, I don't want to go a whole match, I just want to wrestle and take them on his ass.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:58

So oh hell no, I was tired of motherfucker. I I drink too many goddamn beers. Good to go. I'm tired. I said, I'm gonna give you. I said, I'm gonna give you a uh I said I'm gonna give you goddamn, I'm gonna give you 45 second first take down wins. Good to go. He didn't want to do it. I even put up a thousand dollars, a thousand dollars to RQ, a thousand dollars first take down win.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:22

He didn't want to do it. Then it then it turned into like a hundred dollars a takedown. It was like a hundred dollars, yeah, he didn't want to do it. That's a solid bet. That's a solid hundred dollars a takedown. I mean, that's kind of like golfing, you know what I'm saying? That's that's what guys doing at golfing hundred dollars a hole, hundred dollars a goddamn takedown.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:38

He didn't want to do it. I put him on his goddamn ass. Ben Askren even said it on his podcast. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. So when I put him on his ass, right? Yeah, he likes oh Cedric, you a good politician. Nah, I you said I couldn't touch your legs, and I did. Don't get it twisted. I might not wrestle in college, but I get in that ass good to go. So now let's fast let's let's fast forward a little bit. Dan got damn motherfucking Lesavage, Dan Lasavage, Mr. Lasavage, and this is gonna turn to more than wrestling. Dan, uh oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you heard clip Jake Clip from Pure Vita, which has multiple UFC fighters, yeah, gonna train me. Me and Dan is gonna put the goddamn gloves on, and I'm gonna beat Dan ass so goddamn bad. Dan fought professionally. Who is this?

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:51

Who is this? Oh, dude, that's that's coach. That's uh uh dude, help me out, help me out, coach overall. Herbo's the guy listens to. I I'm Schultz.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:00

Uh last name's all I'm saying is this Dan LaSavage try to challenge me. I'm about to post a video. I came in. My goddamn, oh god, oh, oh, my goddamn phone failed. God damn it. How do I fix this? You're good. How do I fix this? What are you fixing? Hold on, hold on, hold on, wait, my bad. My phone got in there. Hold on, wait a minute. My bad, my bad, my bad. My phone up because I'm so goddamn excited right now. Good to go. My goddamn phone went crazy. Damn, goddamn was savage. I'ma show you the goddamn video of where I came in and I was goddamn, goddamn, I'm putting in drywall for 14 goddamn hours. I came in this motherfucker and I almost choked your ass out. December 23rd, I'm gonna choke Dan out. No what ain't gonna choke him out. I'm gonna knock him out, goddammit. And when I knock Dan out, yeah, it's gonna be dope.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:09

Shit, dude. I need to be live for that one. I need to be in I need to be in front of that one. In front of God damn it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:16

I don't even know how my motherfucking phone just got the action stupid right now. Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:21

Oh, yeah, I can hear you. I see you. You just gotta get it on something, so it's it's still my bad.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:25

Hey, so what I'm trying to tell you right now, Dan Lasavage. After I done whooped RQ motherfucking ass already, RQ, you ain't about that action. I'm trying to tell you right now, I done put RQ on his ass. I foot sweeping. He said, You can't do this. I never wrestled in college. Ever RQ wrestled that. What what do you wrestle with that? Oskosh. I don't remember. I don't know. He wrestled with Oskosh, then he coached that park side. Somebody who never ever ever wrestled in college puts you on your back. Come on now, my dude. I think Ben said like four times. I'm gonna say three. I'm gonna I'm gonna go three. Go three, and then after that, I was like, God damn John. John made the goddamn the go five minutes. John, I can't wrestle for five minutes. Motherfucker, I'm 39 goddamn years old. I drink goddamn course light and goddamn motherfucking honey. I can't wrestle five minutes.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:21

Nope. I just put him on his ass. I just lift blocks of bricks. That's all I do. Blocks of bricks.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:26

That's all I'm saying. Put him on his ass. I'm telling you right now, RQ, you didn't want that smoke. Parker Kent. Oh, he was at the practice yesterday. I'm about to put him on his ass too. Parker? What?

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:43

No. Ho, ho, ho, ho. This is this is getting heavy. You put almost putting it on.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:51

Ask Parker what happened yesterday. Ask him what happened yesterday.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:55

Oh no, no. Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:56

Ask him what happened yesterday.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:59

I'll ask him.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:00

I asked you. You think I'm lying? Ask Parker for happy ass. I said Parker, put a thousand dollars on. I'll put you on your ass. Anybody give me 30 seconds, I'll put you on your ass. 30 seconds. Anything after that, I'm done. 30 give me 30 second take down. I'm putting you on your motherfucking ass. I ain't mean to cuss on your podcast, but I'm telling you 30 seconds, I'm gonna put you on your ass. And this is the other thing right here. And and and I'm gonna say this right now, and I'm about to challenge him. And I want this motherfucking smoke for real. Wait, Hodge Wage from uh not how so. If you go on Facebook, my boy Lebinsky wrestled Camden Rug, right? If you go online and you look at it, he's gonna say Rug uh uh had three people that fall out. Lebinsky did this. I can't think of his name on the top of my head. I think uh Hodge from from uh from from uh uh god damn it, I can't think of name of it. I'm gonna challenge you too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:10

Oh, oh, Coach Hodge. Yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:14

Yeah, this is what I'm calling it AWA fades. AWA fades. Okay, aWA phase. Anybody want that smoke? When anybody from my North Shore Club come holler at your boy say, Hey, y'all day, I'm I'm ready to pull out them L's.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:35

So so here's the thing is uh do we then just set up a line with like a cash box for like takedown? So when you get the takedown, they have to put the hundred dollars in it kind of thing, like you just we set this up with like you know, like when you throw the ball and you knock the clown in the pool. Is this the kind of thing where people can line up, come and wrestle you? Because I know Dylan Palacio did the whole what did he run up to people in the street and he'd strip down to that banana hammock, uh single, whatever, to chase people down the street or whatever. I I it's not like that, but it's like you're just waiting for guys to come up. Okay, you want to try and take me down? I'm taking you down in 30 seconds. After that, I'm done.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:10

Like hey, third, hey, hey, 30 second takedown, like like like like Henshou did at that one little go. 30 second takedowns because they don't believe that somebody who never wrestled at a division one level can take a division one college wrestler down, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:26

So then guys on Twitter are gonna question how good those division one college wrestlers were because that's that's where Twitter's at, right? Like they're gonna be like, Well, who'd you actually wrestle? You know, all this others, it doesn't matter. We're 30, 40 something years old. The fact that I can take you down in any reason, shape, form, or matter, even with a rope.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:42

That's what I'm saying. So I'm taking down so December 23rd, I'm knocking Dan Lesavage out. I'm going to cold clock him out. We're putting gloves on, and I'm going to knock Dan Lesavage clean out.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:59

Okay. All right, where's this getting streamed? Where are you putting on? Is this going live anywhere?

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:04

We're going to go live at combat corner. I'm going to knock him out. When I knock him out and I choke him out, I want a year of gear supply for my whole high school.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:15

Now you've been challenged already by this one here. Coach, this is so Herbo is a guy that he listens to, but his last name's Schultz. We I say Coach Schultz. That's just what I call coaches, right? That's what I do. Yeah. Um, but he says that Hodges uh is gonna smoke you. What? What? Oh, he likes to stir a little bit. He likes to stir a little bit. It's okay. It's okay. He just got done wrestling the college open himself. He screwed up his shoulder and he just walked that shit off.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:41

Hey, I'm about I'm about I'm about to hit you with I'm about I'm about to hit you with the god dang the preacher walk. Jesus, Jesus, help me. I'm trying to tell you right now, they don't want this smoke. No, they don't you gonna hit you gonna get hit with the SETI shuffle? Who wants this smoke? Who wants to put the thousand dollars up right now? You know what? I ain't even gonna do a thousand dollars because I know how the economy is right now, and how everybody's job is working right now, and how everybody's doing it right now. Who wants to challenge it? Five hundred dollars right now. Who wants that smoke? Hodge, I'm gonna get you that smoke. If you want it, let's get it. He said he said coach Hodge used to work for him. If he wanted, let's do it. 500 right now. Put it up right now. 500 right now. He's smoke. He says, first takedown win. This is great. This is why we're doing this. This is why we're doing this right. 500 first take down win. I'm trying to tell you right now, my man Dan Lasavage, I'm gonna knock you out. It won't be in Japan right now, so he don't know what's going on, but he does because I showed the text message through everyway. He's scared. Um talking that's who want that smoke up against my man Lebinsky. I'm I'm I'm gonna take you down 500 off the bat. Um uh uh uh RQ, I already foot sweep you, double legged you, show up the video. Oh, oh, he's just saying a thousand dollars. Hey, you know what? I don't even want to take no money out your mouth. You feel me? I don't even want you to feel like you're on some welfare right now. You feel a daddy? You know what I'm saying? All I'm saying is right now, put up the money. If you want the smoke, come holler at your boy say hey all death. Yep, that's all I'm saying. What location is that at? Where are you at? What location? I'm I'm at North Shore with with uh Max Ashker.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:47

Yep, you can you can look it up on the on the website, North Shore is uh dumb by kind of heartland, whatever.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:52

Smoke, it don't even matter. I'll meet you in the projects, I'll meet you in the suburbs, I'll meet you in the goddamn sewer, I'll meet you anywhere, good to go. Wherever you want to get this smoke at, I'll show you. So, hey, I'm calling it right now. It's called Awa Fades. Fade, got it 10 4 AWA fades. So the main ones that's talking that smoke, hey, I I even take Ben's ass down. Good to go.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:24

You're going after a guy that's got two two two new lungs, brother. I I I do Ben got a black lung because if he got a little no, I don't know. I don't know the donation person, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:36

I could I need to know the donation because it because if if if if it I don't want I don't want to do it, no, my man Ben. I love my man Ben. I ain't even gonna capture it. I love it's all good. It's okay. I love my man Ben, but Hodge, the one that was talking talking that schmack to my man Lebinsky. Yeah, I take you down all day, and I'm gonna show you right now, right? Hey, Wade, Wade Hodge, Wade Hodge, yeah. Wade, wait, I take you down any day when you want to smoke, how you want to smoke, anytime, anywhere, with 500 on it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:13

If I think if if you're talking about this guy, Coach Herbo, that's Coach Schultz. He's he's out of I P are you in PA right now, Coach? Or you yeah, I think you're out of Ohio, though, right? Like you're from Ohio, but you're living in PA, right? He'll answer in a second here. But um, yeah, yeah. No, it's it's fun. I think uh I think doing kind of like a like a carnival style kind of lineup and doing some money for some takedowns. I mean, what is it 35 45 seconds? That's all you really need for a takedown.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:40

Hey, hey, no, it's his first takedown win. There you go. It ain't it ain't it ain't full, it ain't full. What do you say?

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:54

Coach Schultz, Colin Palmer Wrestling Academy, 15. Cedric A, AWA, zero. Oh my god, they over here. Hey, was he drinking tonight or something? What was wrong with it? He's he's from PA, so we gotta kind of we gotta let him slide a little bit. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:09

Hey, hey, that that's what it is. I'm trying to tell you right now, all day, every day. Extra, extra read all about it. Say hey, he's on the run, and you can't do about it. You feel it, dig me. I'm trying to tell you right now who wants the smoke. I'm putting, I'm putting, I'm putting a belt to ass all day. I can't I love these college division one wrestlers who think they can just whoop anybody. I'm trying to tell you you don't want that smoke, you know why? Because I'm getting trained by the best.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:43

So here's the other thing I think some of these guys might have come in a little late. I don't think they're understand that you're also a former Marine, right? Like, you didn't just like train for certain things for once in a while. You trained for a long time, all day, every day, with a bunch of guys, and he uh I think honestly, as me as a guy that does know wrestling now a little bit, I don't think I'd beat Cedric. Plus, I'm 46.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:06

So there's man. Hey, what I'm trying to tell you right now is this I'm 37 goddamn years old, and I swear to god, I beat you like I'm goddamn 27 years old. Good to go. You don't want this smoke, you don't want nothing with it. You you you talk about my man Lebinsky, I'm putting him paws on you. Who wants to work? Dan, I'm knocking you out, Has. I'm taking you down. Who else wants the smoke? My man said he attacked me. Did he say he attacked me?

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:38

He tech falls marines easy, respectfully. He said respectfully, respectfully.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:47

Oh, you done made me, you done made me cripple my goddamn hat. You see, this this goddamn Cody James right now. I saw God outright like goddamn bull. Yeah goddamn ha.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:58

Now it only now it only holds five gallons, not ten gallons.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:01

Man, hell yeah. I'm trying to tell you they don't want this smoke. I'm trying to tell you. It's called I I just made this up right now. It's called AWA fades.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:13

So is it awa fades because like their their their toughness is fading? Is that what you're saying? Or is it like no?

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:19

It's called so when you're about to fight somebody, let's get that fade on. It's called fighting. Hey, we're about to fade, we're about to get that fighting on. You feel it, dig me? Hey, we're getting that fade on. I'ma take you down, I'm gonna talk to you in your I'ma whisper to you. I'm gonna say, Hey, look, bruh. Hey, I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna get close to you and say, I told you, don't do this. You don't want this. I'm I'm gonna whisper to you, I'm gonna tell you these sweet things in your ear and say, Next time you think you can beat me, just listen to yourself. You feel it, did you?

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:54

Yeah, yeah, I feel it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:56

I feel December, December 23rd. I'm knocking Dan Lasavage out. Before that, wait, I take you down as well. So, when do you want this smoke?

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:11

There's so much of it. I mean, I don't know. I don't I don't want any. I don't, I don't these guys all have said that they want it, but I don't know when they're gonna step up to it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:20

You know why they don't want it because they don't want to lose in front of their kids.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:25

The only smoke you're seeing is out of your crack pipe. Put it down. That's Brian Randall.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:30

Uh Randall, what what what I'm saying is this the the the the the crack pipe is this right here. We um I'm I'm I'm I'm like I'm like Noriega, you you feel it dig me.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:47

I do, I do.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:48

Yep. Hey, hey, we're giving out them pines. You don't want this smoke. If you want it, come holla at me. But this the thing though, this the thing though, cook. They talk about it, but they not really about it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I I do notice a lot of that. You know, I've I've actually put my address out a couple times to some people, and they don't show up.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:12

They don't, they won't because they're scared, they're afraid to lose in front of their hey, I'm gonna beat you so bad your wife might divorce you. Good to go. My wife just came downstairs and said, Sandra, don't be cussing in front of these kids. My bad. Let me make sure that you I don't want to treat you like a kid. I'm sorry, son. I'm telling you, they they they they they they the delusion the the the the they they they they got this thing in their head that they forgot that sometimes when a real motherfucker come around when when a real boss comes around, they like, oh let me calm down. You feel me? And that's the thing extra read all about it, big said on the run, and you can't do nothing about it. All right who won't the smoke, put the money up, cash in hand, let me know what's up.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:21

They're they're lining up, bro. They're lining up, like that's what I'm saying. Like, this is gonna be entertaining. I honestly think that I think we can really I think we can really capitalize on this. I think we could make this kind of an annual thing, you know what I'm saying? Once a year, like at the beginning of the season, every year, Cedric challenges people. Coach Harbo, who do who is this dude? He was a nobody. He's from on Twitter. He's also on he's he's on Facebook and he's on Instagram. I'll I'll send you, I'll send you his stuff, dude. He's so do he want this smoke? Do he want it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:56

Yeah, he does. Yeah, yeah. You don't want this smoke. Hey, hey, get hey, hey, hey, I'm I'm I'm ready any day, every day. I'll I stay ready. Yeah, hey, we can go right now. You want to go right now?

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:09

Loves the energy, loves it, loves it. I don't it he can't, he can't. He's he's from he's from PA, he lives in Ohio, he's a little far away. He's coaching at a great club, though. One of the parties.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:21

I go drive down there, beat his ass, and then come back home, and then call him later and say, Hey, make me a goddamn sandwich. Good to go. And then and then FaceTime him and tell him mail me that sandwich. Mail me that hey, hey, when I beat his ass, he's gonna make me the sandwich on the spot.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:37

That's all I'm saying. So I I we need to make this a regular thing, I think. I think this is this is something that could be entertaining, right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:44

It's called it's called AWA fades for all the coaches that said all these aw, because you know aw got a lot of locations, right? Yeah, the kids love to see the coaches get their ass whooped. So, guess what? I'm the one that put the belt to ass.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:11

He's gonna be at RF RAF uh oh three. That's right. I remember he's gonna he went uh the last one, he went with his dad, took his dad to RAF 02. So he said he said I was already Hodge's boss. I can I can show you uh who's boss too. So see, you got guys, you got the challengers. It's fine.

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:30

See, that's the that that's the thing. They might challenge, but they really don't want to go through it because they don't want to, they don't want to see. See, if they got kids, they're gonna be too embarrassed because they're gonna be like, Dad, how did you just lose to this non-college guy? They're gonna think less of them. You feel me? See, we're gonna be a person like me. I don't care.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:51

Oh, Shane will drive you to Chicago to make this happen. It'll be we can we can we'll contact.

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:56

Well, Willie doesn't like me anymore, but we'll contact one of those guys and we'll see if uh we'll see if uh hey Kennelly already put you on your ass once already on the beach contest. I'll show the video proof of that. God, you got you got receipts left in the right. I got receipts. Remember, I got receipts. If you need to see receipts, I'll show you receipts.

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:25

This is great. This is I'm telling you, dude. This is cap. And now, see now, Shane, you're using words that we shouldn't be using, man. I'm telling you, like, we're we're past that. We can't use hold on, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:37

Oh, you baby lucky. I'm on my i'm gonna have you know what I might have my wife bring the phone down and just show you the receipts. Hey, man, man, hold on, wait a minute, time out. Man, pull up my Facebook video of me putting Kennelly on his ass real quick.

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:55

I haven't done a I haven't done a show in like three, four months, maybe longer than that. And this is probably I would say one of the most exciting shows that I've had.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:03

I'm telling you, December 23rd. I'm knocking Dan Lesavage out. First knockout. We're not doing tap out, we're doing knockout.

SPEAKER_03: 1:29:12

Okay, okay. So so with that, okay. So is it an is it the is it the first time you go down knockout? How technical are we getting?

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:19

Are you no I'm talking about going to sleepy sleep? Okay, we're going to sleep. So let me tell you a story. Quick story. You ready for the story? So me and Lesavage, me and Dan Lasavage, we go out to a tournament uh a couple years ago. Lesavage, we go out. It's me and my wife's anniversary. We wind up going out on my wife's anniversary. Man La Fav, me and La Savage wind up being at the at the Hilton Hotel. We go into we go into the lobby. Lasavage wanted to fight everybody. I said, fuck that, man. You gonna fight. Me and Lesavage go into the goddamn yard, and I beat the shit out of him. Police come, right? Hey, we go back up to the room. Police come. Hey, hey, hey, I beat him up in the lobby. Not in the lobby, out in the courtyard. We wind up going upstairs. The police come, right? True story. I promise you. I'm right hand of God. Police come knock on the door. Hey, I heard y'all got the fighting. I'm like, no, we didn't get to fighting. Hey, I beat him up, he's okay. Lasavage come to the door and say, No, I was being rude, and he had to knock me out. I said, It's okay. And he wound up letting us go. You feel it, dang me. Lasavage don't want this work. Wade Hodges, you don't want this work. AWA Fades, you don't want this work. I'm trying to tell you. I'm being trained by Max Askren, John Goates, and I'm trying to tell you they don't want this work. They don't want to see somebody who never wrestled from the college take them down.

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:01

It hurts. Say it again, you took down by what you get taken down by a dad.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:20

Exactly. I am a dad wrestler that's taken down these division one college wrestlers. I am a dad. 37-year-old dad. Yep. And I'm taking you down, and you guys have been training for years. Holl at your boy. That's all I'm saying. Hey, I'm doing it for you. I'm doing it for every dad that wanted to get this work in for years. Live through set. And I'm doing it. Live through set. Live through set. I'm trying to tell you, I'm putting in that work. They don't want to see it. I'ma say it again. Extra, extra read all about it. No, none of these AWA coaches want it. You can't do shit about it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:05

None of it. All right, ma'am. Dude, uh, it's it's been an hour and a half. You you got guys lined up, man. I'm telling you. Um, I we do this again, I say. You know what I'm saying? I think uh I got a couple other interviews coming up, I think a couple weeks. Uh before December 23rd, we gotta make this happen because we gotta we gotta make sure, you know, we we gotta make sure that this happens. So and you represented well, you did you you got you got you got your point across. We talked about you know recruiting with the kids and talked about you. We got to know you a little bit. So, like if you guys want to know more about them, go to the beginning of this once it's uploaded. This will all wind up on um all the podcast platforms that you have. It's on YouTube, it's on Facebook right now. I don't know how long it'll stay on Twitter, it'll probably stay up there. So, get to find out who this guy is because um I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a lot more, baby.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:54

Um, don't want to see it. I'm trying to tell you, Cook. You just started something that was freaking crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:01

Well, let's let's grow that. Let's grow that. Let's let's build on a little bit. I think. Um, I think one of these times, I think we're gonna get I think we're gonna get coach uh Schultz up here. We're gonna have him bring some of that Palmer Palmer love up and see if you guys can throw down too, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:15

And I'm gonna put him down on his back too. Count and I'm gonna whisper to his ear.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:19

Sweep you got shout-outs besides the guys you already you already put shout outs to. You got shoutouts you want to put out there?

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:26

Yeah, uh Parker. We were talking yesterday. Yeah, let's get that work in. Hey, but for real, December 22nd, December 21st is gonna be the brown deer youth tournament. Make sure you guys out there represent. Hey, we're gonna have some fun times. Um, and hey, just show up and let's get that work in.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:47

Awesome. Uh, it's dude, it's been fun. Uh, we don't get to see enough. Obviously, we kind of all hit tournaments and stuff like that, see each other once in a while, but now it's gonna be even more sprax. Now I think as parents, we need to kind of get together. Maybe, maybe we do like a big, like uh like an NCA watch or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Let's do it. Just saying. So, uh, it's been another episode. I think it was like episode 110, 115, one whatever. Oh let's go.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:12

We've been doing this for a hot minute. We just took a little bit of a break, you know, because working on the basement, things like that, trying to get it all put together, make it look right. But uh next time, uh next time I got to be in the studio with you, yeah, dude. But bring it. Uh, we'll bring it, bring Max up, bring the family up. We don't care, we can hang out. Got the hot tub, that blackstone grill, we can do it all. So, with that being said, man, it has been another episode of the Vision Quest Podcast. We're gonna end this here, Seb, but you and I are gonna talk once we're done here, quick.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:39

So peace. Peace. Let's go.