How to Achieve What You Only Dream About

Cassandra Crawley-Mayo welcomes resilience expert Charisse Walker, who shares her journey from childhood trauma to becoming an author, Emmy-nominated TV host, and real estate powerhouse while raising six children.

• Understanding how childhood experiences shape adult behaviors and success patterns
• Converting rejection and trauma into motivation for achievement and helping others
• Taking strategic action instead of waiting for perfect timing to pursue dreams
• Breaking free from feeling trapped by taking small, manageable steps toward goals
• Focusing on just three priorities for 12 weeks rather than overwhelming yourself
• Recognizing different life seasons and being present while working toward dreams
• Getting strategic coaching instead of following every new business guru
• Remembering that your unfulfilled potential affects those waiting for your help

If you're ready to stop being in your own way and start achieving what you've only dreamed about, get Charisse's book "Flipping the Iceberg" and visit unbreakablemompreneurs.com to connect with her about relationships, real estate, or business development.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome to Is Your Way In Your Way?
• 4:35 Meeting Charisse Walker: Resilience in Motion
• 9:01 Childhood Trauma to Adult Triumph
• 17:48 Unexpected Path to Real Estate Success
• 22:26 Balancing Motherhood and Entrepreneurship
• 27:27 Living Your Potential and Breaking Free
• 34:08 Finding Purpose and Taking Action
• 37:06 Final Thoughts: No Test, No Testimony

Transcript

Cassandra: 0:25

out there to all of my listeners and I'd like to welcome you to Is your Way In your Way? And I am your host. My name is Cassandra Crawley-Mayo. And, for those new listeners out there, not only is my podcast titled Is your Way In your Way, but so is my book. So this podcast is for individuals who are in their way.

Cassandra: 0:47

Now you're probably thinking about what does that mean? But let me ask you this. Before that, let me tell you this we talk about topics related to personal development, personal improvement, even some business development and business improvement, and they will enable you to do some self-reflection, and my prayer has always been it'll be something that you have heard, that will enable you to pivot and say you know what, based on this conversation today, I am going to start acting on what I used to dream about and I'm going to fulfill my dream. So let me ask you, before we dive into today's powerful episode, I want to ask you something Are you in your own way? I already asked, but I'm going to say it again Are you in your own way?

Cassandra: 1:40

If you ever questioned your worth, doubted your purpose or felt stuck in fear, this podcast is your space to break free Now, which is interesting to me is 76% of people report feeling stuck either with their career, their relationships, their health or sense of purpose. Are you in that 76%? So, if you're listening, today, the show where faith meets freedom and purpose gets real. We're going to talk to a woman who's walked through struggle and came out soaring. So now let's get into it, and I want to introduce you to Cherise Walker. How are you doing, Cherise?

Charisse: 2:27

I'm doing so fantastic. Thank you for having me.

Cassandra: 2:31

Oh yeah, I'm so glad to have you. I can't wait to dive into this conversation. First of all, let me let my guests know the title of our podcast today is how to Achieve what you Only Dreamed About. Now, before we ask and delve into these questions and, cherise, I want to know am I pronouncing your name correctly, charisse Walker? Yep, okay, charisee, all right, I'd like to read your bio to my listeners, because they're going to want to know what's qualifying you to achieve what you only dream about. So let me just tell them a little bit of your background.

Cassandra: 3:11

Charisse Walker is a definition of resilience in motion, from food stamps to financial freedom. She's a mother, a mogul and motivator who turned adversity into a legacy. As an author, emmy-nominated TV host, real estate powerhouse and founder of the Unbreakable Mompreneur podcast, she empowers women to rewrite their stories boldly, unapologetically and on their own terms. Whether she's coaching entrepreneurs, speaking on stages of guiding couples towards a lasting relationship, charisse proves that what's beneath the surface is often where the breakthrough begins. I like that Author of Flipping the Iceberg, and she's starting on another book and we'll talk about that. And she's discovering and celebrating what lies beneath the surface in your relationships. So we're going to find out.

Cassandra: 4:14

How can you achieve what you only dream about? Now? I already mentioned Charisse, how, number one, what my understanding of what I've read and what I've observed. You're very stubborn. Understanding of what I've read and what I've observed. You're very stubborn and you are. You're resilient and you always say don't expose your weakness. For example, one of the things she said is when a person gets on stage and they want to speak, don't get on stage and say, oh, I'm so nervous because this is my first time being on stage. She said don't ever expose your weakness. Don't believe that and start believing in yourself and what's important. And with all that said, your characteristics, charisse, were all those characteristics I want you to share with the audience, my listeners.

Charisse: 5:11

What was your backstory for you to have these type of characteristics? Yeah, that's a long answer. I think that I think back to and this is really pathetic and when I was in sixth grade, I remember going out on recess, so school had just restarted and fifth grade was fantastic. So, to even go a little more, my parents moved. We moved a lot when I was a kid, and so I started elementary school in Utah and then I went to California and so we found out that my birth date, like it, fell at a certain time where I had to wait to start in Utah but in California I could have started a year earlier. So I don't remember this because I this didn't happen later, but I ended up skipping fourth grade.

Charisse: 6:00

Long story short, went from third grade to fifth grade, and so I showed up in fifth grade and all of a sudden everyone's like well, why are you in this grade? Why aren't you in fourth? So I had to work really hard because I didn't realize in fourth grade, that's when you learned long division, that's when you learned history, that's when I mean those types of things. So basically having to learn two years worth of stuff. And so my class was phenomenal, my classmates, my teacher was phenomenal, my classmates, my teacher was phenomenal, probably my favorite teacher ever in the world. And so then I get to sixth grade and expecting that same type of thing, like it's all the same people but I was shunned.

Charisse: 6:38

I don't know what happened and so you remember, like recess and I talk about this in my book that I went up and asked two girls if I could play and they like looked at me and they just laughed and kind of turned and that was my first time ever experiencing rejection, never feeling like I fit in. From then on, right in my high school, in my so I got very, very involved in lots of things because I figured if I could get involved in things, then I had control over who I got to interact with and I didn't have to feel like I had to play at recess because I was always busy like these other activities. So I was like voted involved, which is a pathetic thing to be voted, but um, that's where I think I started like I have to overachieve, I have to do stuff, I have to be involved in all these things. So I think from there it was just do, do, do, do, do, and I think that's where it kind of started, I guess, to answer your question.

Cassandra: 7:37

Wow, that's interesting. So, in other words, you were like all right, a little part of that. That sounds like you were kind of a people pleaser, oh yeah, yeah, kind of a people pleaser, but you wanted to fit in, so you did whatever it took to fit in. If you didn't want to do those things and get involved, you still got involved because that was the way that you felt that you would be a part of something. So now I have understanding about resilience and don't tell anybody about your weakness, and you believe in yourself. Don't tell anybody about your weakness and you believe in yourself. Uh, so then for there, you, you have a lot of um. Your background is phenomenal to me. You, you were in real estate. You still in real estate. You um started a school, is that correct? You started teaching. You're a mom, you have six children, um, but. But yet you talked about um trauma to triumph, and what I didn't hear from there is the trauma.

Charisse: 8:40

Tell us what the trauma was um, well, really personally, as a kid and I again I didn't even realize this that there was a neighbor that you know, he was an older gentleman and got a little too handsy with a lot of kids on my block, in my neighborhood, and I never realized anything until seventh grade when I started like having these flashbacks and things that I was afraid to talk talk to boys, I was afraid to talk like male teachers, and I couldn't understand it. And that's when I went and talked with um well, I'm going to leave those people out of it because they swore if I ever brought in their personal life. But I started having some conversations and realizing that there were things in my childhood that I didn't know, and so I became very submissive and very obedient, I think, to men especially. And so it wasn't, you know, when I graduated college and my very first job out of college, tons of sexual harassment, like you know, just things that I would never have expected, and I didn't know how to handle it and I didn't know how to deal with it, and so it was like that, some of the trauma there, that being obedient and submissive and doing what I'm told because I had to. In addition, like I love my dad dearly, like I love my parents, but my dad was a Vietnam vet and he came home to people throwing things at him you know food and objects and he wasn home to people throwing things at him. You know food and objects and he wasn't revered. He was told how horrible a baby killer and different things, even if he wasn't. But so he came home to that and he bottled all that up and the things that he went through. He had his own PTSD.

Charisse: 10:24

That again, at that time that didn't even that word didn't even exist or those acronyms and so he grew up very strict and so he had to do what my dad said. And then it was a very difficult childhood because of some of the things, the dynamics with some siblings as well and so the relationship with my siblings and my dad were not positive. And so my dad would come into my room he only did this once that I remember, but just bawling, saying sherry's, please don't you know, like your, your sisters, please don't you know. And yeah, and not that my sisters would do anything bad, um, they're just difficult because of their own issues as well, and so it wasn't until a couple years ago that my dad actually approached all four of us siblings or children and said I am going to go to the VA Like he would never ask for help.

Charisse: 11:14

And finally we had to write impact statements and again it didn't really occur to me the issues and things that happened in my life that were impacted by my childhood, and so those are the traumas, those are the icebergs that we all have, icebergs from a little sixth grade playground. How would that have impacted me to where I don't want to open up to people? I started taking an inventory and it wasn't until I got divorced that I realized I got some work to do on myself, especially because I have a bunch of kids. So I think that those things are kind of how it started.

Cassandra: 11:53

Okay, okay. Well, I appreciate you sharing that, because I always said I actually have a chapter in my book in regards to how your childhood has a lot to do with your adulthood. And another reason why I'm glad you said it, because right now, from trauma to triumph, you've triumphed. I mean, we still have work in progress. But to let individuals know, regardless you know we of rejected you and you know your divorce, your family, how you grew up. The trauma Did you always have, did you? Well, let me ask you well, first of all, what was your dream? Did you have a dream back then?

Charisse: 12:45

So I loved kids. I babysat a lot that's actually how I paid for my college and so I it's so funny before I even knew how you had kids, I wanted to have 22 mom. That was my dream. In addition to that, I realized that I actually wanted to be a high school counselor, and then I got to college and that completely changed. But I think growing up I knew that I'd always wanted to help people, and so, whatever it was going to be, I wanted to help people.

Cassandra: 13:28

OK, all right, because the title is how to Achieve what you Only Dream About. What you're saying is you did achieve that, I did, but yet, as life happens, you had other dreams, right, and so was your dream ever being in real estate? No, never. Okay, why did you segue into real estate? And you still do real estate, but that's not what you all, that's not the only thing you do.

Charisse: 14:03

No, it's not. So I graduated college, got a job. Like I told you, it wasn't a positive experience, so I left that pretty abruptly and I got this interview to work at a college I interviewed. It was the temp agency, and so I was working in the bursar office, which I didn't even know what that was. It's like okay. And so I was there for like two months and I get I have some people approach me and they said, sure, so you graduated in sociology, right?

Charisse: 14:31

And I said, yeah, I did. They're like have you ever thought of teaching? I said, well, I used to want to be a high school counselor. So, yeah, I've thought about teaching. And they said, okay, well, how would you feel about teaching this class? And I'm like, okay, great. And they said, well, think this was like Friday night. They said, think about over the weekend, let us know what you think. And I said, okay, monday morning they approached me like 11am. They said, sure, I'll give it a try. And they said, great, they put the book down on my desk and said you teach in two hours. I'm 22.

Charisse: 15:01

And most of these people are men that are much older than me, and so I'm thinking, okay, now what do I do, and so I had no clue. Like the teacher was fired abruptly and I had no clue what they had learned, what they talked about, there was nothing. And so I just looked over the topic, which I was very familiar with, and said okay, and I remember going to the door and I said, right before I opened the door, a thought hit me. I have two choices here. I can walk in and say I have no idea, I've never taught before, I have no idea what I'm doing and they didn't tell me anything. Or I can go in and I can say hey guys, I'm here to teach about this and let's go. So of course we chose the latter and, like by the and I talk about this as well, but I feel like I might if I would have lifted my arms, I would have probably just had showering sweat coming Cause I was so nervous.

Charisse: 15:52

Long story short, they hired me on full time and I taught for seven years and then I became the dean and then I became the director and then I opened up a school, and so it was one of those things where that was my dream. Like I love changing lives, I love the impact and the way that it went and so fast forward a lot. Some things happened, um, and I got to be a stay at home mom. I got remarried, I went through a divorce and then, a couple of years later, I ended up finding my current husband and and so I got to be a stay at home mom, but we were on food stamps because I chose to stay home and so it was very short stint but, like because of a family member and a best friend, we were $400,000 in the hole because we had lent them some money.

Charisse: 16:39

So we were in a really bad spot In real estate. We started flipping homes and I realized that I'd get my license, and so I got my license and realized very quickly that we could do really well that way. So I love it because for me, you're educating people on one of the biggest financial decisions of their life and help them not screw that up. That's how I got into real estate.

Cassandra: 17:02

Okay. Well, how do you balance entrepreneurship and motherhood? How do you do that?

Charisse: 17:16

You don't balance. Okay, you know. Let's be honest, I feel very off a lot, and so I try now to do my real estate during the times that my children are gone or like at school. So I've been doing a lot more. Where here's, my working hours is during school. I hate not being home with them now when they get home from school. So I'm trying to do that. It's not always successful, and then my husband is home at night. He can be with them so I can go and show homes at night, and so there's not a balance. I'm starting to have that guilt mom feeling again, where I realize I'm out of whack, that it is taking way too much time because it is the season right now, but my kids are very involved in it as well. Open houses I have four older kids. All of them have had their turn doing open houses. Oh, okay, so that I can be home with the younger ones as well.

Cassandra: 18:10

Wow. So you engage your kids into what you do. They're all very involved, right? But, quite frankly, you've not really overcome it, right? And what are you going to say?

Charisse: 18:24

no, I think, um, as an entrepreneur, we can always say balance, but life isn't a balance, it's a juggle. This falls in the air. My mom just came to stay with us. Um, we went and did a mother daughter thing for the first time ever and it was crazy, and I remember going like this, you know, because there's all these balls up in the air and I'm like they're starting to fall.

Charisse: 18:45

They're starting to fall and I think sometimes you know it's great and everything just goes right in line and other times it doesn't. But I think for me it's the communication and relationship I have that I really do try to seek out my children at least 20 minutes a day or something, or call if they don't live with me, to create that relationship and so being a mom is very important and them knowing how I feel, what I want, and helping them realize that they can achieve anything they want and they don't need to settle. That's, I think, my driving force, that's my why, for what I do, I want to be for them.

Cassandra: 19:23

OK, so because the title is how to achieve what you only dream about. What do you dream about now?

Charisse: 19:32

So I dream about honestly being on stage and impacting other people, because that message is really my message. I'll never forget the very first time I was pregnant with my second child. She would be my number three, though, because I had twins and I didn't know I was pregnant. And so I was at a college graduation with all my students and I had had some of them for two years, some of them for four years, and I remember them walking across the graduation stage and I remember the relationships I had with these that they told me their stories of they're the first to ever graduate. They're the first to ever graduate high school. They're the first to they were told that they're dumb or stupid. They'll never amount to anything by their teachers, by their parents, by their family, it doesn't matter, mom, they're stupid, they'll never amount to anything by their teachers, by their parents, by their family, it doesn't matter. And to watch them walk across that stage and to hear the people that for two years they told me were their biggest naysayers, to hear those people cheer for them yeah, life changing. So for me it was. My mission is to help people realize they can do whatever they've put their mind to it, that, if they really do want to do it, they're the only people in their way, and that they should never listen to those naysayers Like I had one. I had it, I, my twins were three. They just well, they, yeah, they just turned three.

Charisse: 20:54

But I, with my second one, a lot happened with that second one that I remember coming back. I decided to take the full maternity leave. So I was gone for three months and like the week after I came back, a new Dean he comes in, did not like women and he said I remember him turning his chair around with this smug look on his face. He's like guess what, charisse? You're no longer going to have a job after this semester. And I go what? And he goes yeah, you don't have a master's degree, so you know you're out of a job.

Charisse: 21:25

And I said that's not true. And he goes nope, it's true. Accreditation has changed and we have to we're just going to have to let you go. And so I immediately walked out, called headquarters and said is this true? They're like no, charisse, he's just. You know, he wasn't the Dean very long. But I said I will never let that be an excuse. And so my, my twins were three, my baby was three months old. I enrolled in a master's degree program that day and I started the following week and I took a two month or two year program into 15 months because I want somebody that's in working full time, because my my ex would not, and so I, somebody very, very dear to me, guilted me all the time that I was being selfish that I wasn't that I?

Charisse: 22:14

you know how dare I? I, I don't need a master's degree and different things. And so because of that, um, I just said no, and when I got that degree, fast-tracked it I it literally doubled my income.

Charisse: 22:26

I was able to become a dean at a different school so it changed my family and had I listened to that person, um, I I would. I don't know where I'd be today because of it. But it's those types of things that, if you really want to achieve it like I had three kids under the age of three working full time and going to school double full time Cause I doubled it up, and so it's you can do whatever you want.

Cassandra: 22:54

Right Resilient. That's one of your characteristics, girl. That's powerful. Now you want to speak and I believe when you wrote your book the Iceberg let me see it's titled. What's the name of it? Flipping the Iceberg, yep Right. What triggered you to write that book?

Charisse: 23:22

my kids and what I had gone through. Uh, when I left my my then husband, my grandma thought it was all my fault and told me, if I would just quit my job, my ex would step up. And I'm like grandma, if I did that, we would be homeless. And it was probably two years after, afterwards, that she came to me and apologized and said charisse, I'm sorry, I had no idea. And I said, grandma, I know, I know, because he comes across as this great person and we have a great relationship to this day. We have a great relationship to this day. We have a great relationship above the surface.

Charisse: 23:59

If we go lower than that, um, it's not a good thing, and so I think, when people look at somebody, if they look at you, they look at me and they, they can think whatever they want and they make an assumption, but there is a real person underneath that surface and with an iceberg, 10% above the water, 90% below. So if you can flip it, now you get to person, and that's always been like my mission the kids that were bullied in school. Those are the people that I was drawn to, because I feel that and to try to understand why they do what they do which is why I have a degree in sociology to try to understand humans and society and what, what gets you to be who you are. And so with an iceberg and flipping it, first of all we have our own trauma, those are our icebergs, so that affects our relationship. So if we can figure out what those are and heal ourselves from it so we can make healthy decisions, and then there, once we find the person that we want to marry, that we can now flip that iceberg and really get to know who they are.

Charisse: 25:02

Before you say I do Because I talk about it, I call, my first husband was Barbie's Ken. Like he looked the part, he was everything, and on my little checklist that I wrote yes, he fit, he checked all those boxes, but, uh, the person he was and he was dealing with his own demons, as was I. And so I think had we done a little more research and talked to each other, like what I write about the book, we probably would have gotten married.

Cassandra: 25:34

Okay, your checklist. Let's talk about your checklist. And you also do work around relationships. And let's say you're on stage. What would you talk about? What's your dream talk? What would you talk about?

Charisse: 25:58

dream talk, and what would you talk about? Yeah, no, that's beautiful. There's two that. The first one is really, again, achieving your dreams. Like what? What is your purpose? What is your passion? What is that little thing down?

Charisse: 26:06

Because I believe we all have a calling in our lives, that we were put on this earth to accomplish something, and it could be more than just one thing. But we all have different talents for a reason, and so, if we can figure out what those talents are and what, what is your little intuition telling you that you should be doing with your life? And are you achieving, are you living up to your potential? That's the other thing is what is your potential? And helping people with that, and so that's like live your potential and don't let anybody stop you. So that would be one of them. The other one is making sure that you don't feel trapped. You know, do you feel stuck? Do you feel like you are in a place that you feel like you can't get out of, whether that be a job, whether that be a career, that, whether, which is the same thing whether that be a relationship, and so how do we work through that to be able?

Charisse: 26:57

to live our dream.

Cassandra: 27:00

Okay, many of my listeners that's what I would call the purpose of is your way, in your way, because they're stuck, they're trapped, individuals that also there's another side is really fixated on their purpose. I say that because I was fixated. You know, like what is my purpose. You know, and I'm so hung up on purpose I don't really get a whole lot done because I'm trying to figure out what my purpose is. So how do you guide your clients in discovering their purpose?

Charisse: 27:59

That is a great thing, which I actually even struggled with for about three years because I was the same Like. But I think I should do this, but I'm drawn to be doing this and my advice would be let's start, ok. So what are you doing right now? And like, let's just start on what is it? What can you do right now to help you take that step to the next? Because for me, it was like I would have never thought my podcast Unbreakable Mompreneurs and my book Flipping the Iceberg and Real Estate like what in the heck? How do those intertwine? And so when I finally sat down and went, oh okay, I see an underlying message.

Charisse: 28:38

And so what are you doing in your life that you enjoy, that you can take a baby step with right now? And I'm not saying quit your job because you hate it, and now let's go become an entrepreneur. You can do both things at the same time.

Charisse: 28:53

Let's put this on the side and let's take baby steps and as we start to grow this and it's starting to take off. Now do you need to put full-time effort into this or not? You know, five hours a week, 10 hours, 20. And then eventually, yes, you can jump off the cliff and go full-time, but you don't have to.

Cassandra: 29:13

Okay, because I think you know somebody. My coach told me something the other day and I'm like but I'm just so overwhelmed. You know I'm doing this and I'm doing that and when you get overwhelmed you don't get anything done. Yeah, and she said you're overwhelmed because you're not prioritizing Right. What do you mean? I'm not prioritizing? You mean I'm not prioritized.

Cassandra: 29:44

And you know there's certain things and stages in life that you, for example, if your kids are young, you prioritize your kids first. You know, if that's the case, you can't do it all exactly. Yeah, so my listeners are struggling with. Okay, I have to keep working, I have kids, but what I want to do is start a podcast and based on that, then you start thinking but how am I going to do that? And I always tell people you can't do it by yourself. You know, if you got to get a coach or somebody that you admire, you know that you can talk to them about it because that's going to help them start. That's like an accountability partner. So I just you know. So when you talk about your dream now, your dream now is to be on stage. You know to talk to. You have two dreams actually live your potential and not not feeling trapped. How would you and I like the fact that you talked about that people that want to do things but they feel trapped how would you help them to move forward?

Charisse: 31:02

Yeah, you mentioned a coach and I remember somebody I hired. I went on a spending spree, I should say for about three years, and anybody that I felt could help me I threw money at them, like the amount of money that I spent was ridiculous and unnecessary, because I got into a point where I can I can have five different coaches all at the same time. No, you can't, you absolutely cannot, like pick one go fully in like, jump in with all feet, so get a coach.

Charisse: 31:33

That's the thing I love that. You said Definitely need to get a coach and decide. So my coach, one of them. He said you're having a hard time, all of you guys, you're wasting time. Just decide right. Just decide on one thing.

Charisse: 31:46

And the third talk I would talk about is seasons. I did actually give a speech about that once to a group of people, that to everything there is a season and a time for every purpose. You know I think it was in the Bible that talks about that and we do have seasons in our life and you need to be patient and you need to enjoy those seasons. With my kids, when they were little babies, I even have a picture. I sat there for hours just staring at my baby because it I didn't think I'd be able to have her, and so because of that, you have to enjoy the time that you have. And if you're constantly looking at well, I can't wait until and I can't wait until, and you're looking towards the future and you're forgetting about the here and now, then you're missing the whole purpose of life.

Cassandra: 32:38

Exactly.

Charisse: 32:39

Enjoy the journey, and so people that are struggling it's get a coach. But I want you to be very, very strategic, because there's a lot of people out there that say, pay me $25,000 and I will blah, it's not $25,000. And you need to make sure that person is experiencing what they're teaching and successful, and so you need to do your research and maybe it's like YouTube university, right, there's a lot of free stuff out there right now. When I did my real estate investing, I had learned for a year and a half, cause I was a stay at home mom at that point, and so for a year and a half, I just sucked up as much information as I could. And then I went to one meeting and they said stop, just go do it. And so I drove on my first flip and that's when my life changed, and so I did it. I took a step, and so that's where you are is.

Charisse: 33:31

Where do you want to be? Where are your goals? What do you want to accomplish? And now let's back, let's backtracks. How many, how many calls do you need to make? How many do you want to accomplish? And now let's back, let's backtrack. How many, how many calls do you need to make how many like? Do you need to send out mailers? Do you need to do like for me, direct mail? Like different things, there's different steps. So what can we focus on? And so, and then, the 12 week year is a beautiful book.

Charisse: 33:51

Let's pick three things for 12 weeks and we're going to focus on those. Stop overwhelming yourself. Just here's your baby step. Here's your baby. Here's your baby step.

Cassandra: 34:02

Right, make a decision and act on it. And as we're talking, we're talking about for me when it's time. But I always say, when God says well done my good and faithful servant, and it's time for me to go, I don't want any regrets. You know, as you indicated the things that were in my heart that I want to do, I don't want to. I'm not going to say at the end I wish I didn't work so hard. You know. I'm going to say I didn't fulfill my purpose. I always wanted to write a book. I never did that. And I always wanted to write a book. I never did that. And I always wanted to speak on stages and I never did that. Because you never did it, it's nobody else's fault, but you. So I, like I, would highly recommend individuals get your book and please tell them about the next book that you started.

Charisse: 34:54

Yeah, so the next one is flipping the iceberg after the I do.

Charisse: 34:56

So if you end up, you're married right, and I didn't get to work with you before that because I wasn't around which that's the other thing I want our listeners to really think about is by you not doing what God's purpose for you is. Here you're, you're those people are waiting for you and you're missing out on the opportunity to help them change their lives, to become the people that they are supposed to become. So if you're waiting to launch, just know that, like for me, it's how many marriages are falling apart right now because I haven't written this book and I'm not saying I'm going to save them. That's not what I'm saying. But so the next book is called Flipping the Iceberg After the I Do, and so it's from anyone, from newlyweds like oh my gosh, we just got married. We don't even know each other too, the nearly deads, I don't know how to say it but where they've been married for a very, very long time and they've lost touch with each other, and how can they reconnect?

Cassandra: 35:50

That's good. That sounds like another podcast, because relationships are very critical in our lives, you know, and unfortunately, listeners, our time is running out and perhaps I'll have Sharice back on and we'll just talk about relationships, because I don't know who would not want to hear about relationships. Relationships never underestimate the value of relationships and the most important one is in the event you decide to get married. It has to be kind of right on, you know. So yeah, so, therese, I know time has closed. Is there anything? Well, let me ask you, how do people get in touch with you?

Charisse: 36:37

Yeah, so my current website, sharicewalkercom under construction. Hopefully it'll be done. Unbreakable Entrepreneurs If you go there you can find whether it be relationships, real estate or business. I can help you with any of those if you want to find the book as well.

Cassandra: 36:54

Okay, well, I want to thank you for your time, your insights into harnessing resilience and balancing life demands and pursuing dreams, so hopefully you are inspired by your personal barriers and you achieve personal and your professional goals, my listeners. Again, therese, thank you so much. I appreciate your insight and I love the characteristics that you have, and all that you've been through was for a reason and I just, I just cherish that, because all we go through is for a reason. It's a lesson and let's use it. So I say no test, no testimony. So again, thanks so much, god bless you, god bless my, my listeners. And, as I say, thanks so much, god bless you, god bless my listeners and as I say bye for now.