Fuel Costs, Compliance Updates, And What’s Next For NSW & ACT Outdoor Operators

Fuel prices are squeezing outdoor programs in ways most people never see, and adventure tourism experiences often feel the shock first. We talk through what the fuel crisis means for outdoor operators across NSW and the ACT, why media visibility matters, and how sharing real-world impacts with your peak body helps build stronger advocacy with government. If you’re dealing with cancellations, rising transport costs, or difficult decisions about delivery, you’ll hear what information is most useful to report and why it changes the conversation.

We then shift into the practical compliance and business essentials that keep outdoor education, adventure tourism, nature therapists and recreation providers resilient. That includes ATO guidance for businesses under stress, plus the 1 July change requiring superannuation to be paid into an employee’s fund at the time payroll is processed. We also flag a key safety reminder around commercial vessel expectations, including how kayak and canoe hire can fall under compliance requirements, and why safety management systems, documented risk assessments, and participant briefings are more than paperwork.

From there, it’s all about building capability and protecting people. Tintin shares why professional development is “sharpening the axe” for our industry, with training options spanning leadership, facilitation, climbing, paddling, and wilderness first aid, including the possibility of bespoke courses. Emma from Cancer Council NSW brings a clear, practical message on skin cancer prevention for outdoor workers and reminds us about the sun safety photo competition designed to create realistic imagery the whole sector can use to role model better habits.

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Transcript

Welcome And Acknowledgement

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Welcome to the Outdoors New South Wales and Australian Capital Territory, weekly Outdoor Industry Connect and Share Forum. Where ideas thrive, collaborations spark, and our industry comes together to grow. Let's connect, share, and make an impact. This episode is recorded live with our professional outdoor friends and provided post-event as a resource for the outdoor industry.

Fuel Crisis Impacts And Survey

ATO Help And Super Changes

Kayak Hire Vessel Compliance

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Good morning, another Friday with Outdoors New South Wales and ACT, and I'm Laurie Bowd here to talk to you all about what's happening around the grounds in the outdoor industry. And we're here for episode nine of season four. After Easter, still in the school holidays, and uh no doubt everyone getting ready as it gears up again for um winter coming around the corner. You wouldn't know it's 34 degrees here in Sydney today. Um, but you know, you never know. We've already had our first snow. So let's see how winter goes this year. Uh before we kick in, I want to acknowledge the traditional owners of the lands in which we all come from today and pay my respects to elders past, present, and those that we are working with to integrate more interpretation, more ex more connection to country and uh connection to our Australia. So let's kick off and uh get into the news of today. And we have two guests. Well, Tintin's not really a guest, he's he's an employee, but uh he'll be talking to us a little bit later on about some of the training on offer. And we have Emma Emma from Cancer Council, New South Wales, who we're working with closely on many different things. And maybe Emma, we might want to talk about what we do uh together. But uh she's gonna be talking to you about something I've been promoting for a while, which is that uh wonderful competition that we've got going. More on that in a little bit. So let me just jump into some of the other news before we get there. And you might have seen we've had a bit of air time, uh media time around our industry, which has been um look, not probably on the positive side, because we all know that the fuel crisis is certainly uh challenging, needless to say. Uh there's a lot of conversations around how long this is going to last, as well as the impact on our costs, our uh potential cancellations. And um, we at uh at Outdoor Council of Australia, as well as Outdoors New South Wales, have been making sure that uh we are recognized for the impacts that um the fuel crisis has on our industry as well as all the other industries that are really struggling. Um, so yes, it'll be interesting to see where we head with this. But yeah, as I say, the media attention on this uh really does highlight our pre-budget submission uh with government and also shows again the benefits of what we provide as an industry. So um you can see obviously there's a couple of articles out. Uh, there is also this media uh exposure. Which I don't know whether you can hear, but anyway, it was a section on the Today Show that talked about the importance of school camps and and how um the fuel crisis is challenging for uh for us as well. So great exposure being on today's show news. Um, and of course, we are asking if you are being affected by the fuel shortages. If you haven't already, please tell us what's going on because that will give us the ability to talk about some case studies and uh and certainly what is happening around the ground. So it's been a great use of data to date. Um please keep it up. If you've already done the survey, it won't let you do it again. But certainly drop me an email if you have more to add to your survey. Uh important information for your peak body to know, to do what we do best, which is stand up for you and your needs in trying to get an easier ride for the industry. Okay, um, I wanted to share with you, which I'm sure as businesses you're all on top of, but you never know. Uh there's a lot going on in the ATO space, and uh one is around the fuel shortage. So if you are struggling with some of the costs that are imposed through this fuel uh crisis, as they're calling it, there is some flexibility. So the ATO have come out saying, don't panic. Uh, we will work with you about your PAYG, also your GICs, which is the general interest charges. Um, so if you are struggling, please reach out to the ATO and they can work out with you uh what um can be done. So yes, please don't sit there and uh squandle on your challenges, uh get in contact. The other thing with the ATO is to make sure you're aware of what's changing on 1 July. If you have employees, your super now has to be put into your employees' fund at the time you transact their payroll. So this is uh a mandatory requirement as of the 1st of July. So here's some tips from the ATO about looking at preparing your payroll and cash flow. Uh, checking your software is supporting of that qualifying earnings. Most of the up-to-date software is fully compliant now, but just check if you've got any old um software that you use, maybe not registered software. It won't uh do this for you. So um make sure you've got all that in place. Checking your uh information for your employees is correct, your super percentages, particularly. Also make sure that you've got that transaction to the super employee fund and how long it takes because it has to land the day of the payment cycle. So uh just check that again with your particular providers. Um, if you've used the small business super clearinghouse, um that is no longer available. So you will need to remove all of your transaction history for your auditing purposes or your accountant purposes. Um, and most of the transactions now should be done via your uh software. So, yes, any questions on that, please feel free to reach out separately. But if you uh go to the ATO website, it has some very good guidance there to help you with uh with all of that. Okay, on to other things. So um you might remember we have AMSA come to us occasionally giving us a few updates. This one sort of went under the radar a little bit, and it was a result of a review they did a little while ago, and it came up in a conversation with one of our members. So I thought I might bring it to you just to um to help the uh the industry be compliant. Uh when it comes to commercial vessels. Now, our commercial vessels uh do include kayaks and canoes. So this has been something that uh has been probably a bit contentious in the review, but it uh certainly still includes kayak and canoes for hire. The requirements are a little bit less than what is required of a different classification of vessel, but you still need to have the right certificate to operate. You still need a safety management system in place, and you need a good documented risk assessment for your processes, which I know most of you certainly have. Um definitely your briefing processes form part of that with your participants, and this came to light, of course, in some of the incidents of recent where there has been a dry hire arrangement, we can call it, um, where that uh participant briefing probably hasn't been in process. So, really important. Um, emergency planning and safety equipment uh has to be part of that process, and um the records must show the operation is being managed safely. So, Dave, you had a question or a comment on this?

SPEAKER_06 8:15

So it'd be interesting to have a look at it and see. Sometimes that doesn't include things like hiring of uh inflatables, you know, whitewater rafts, tubes, and other things. They're often left out in uh in state uh safety systems, so I'm not quite sure about it.

New Standards Pack For Operators

Canberra Briefing And Workforce Data

Member Guidance Events And Awards

Training That Builds Better Leaders

SPEAKER_02 8:33

Correct. Yes, I will check on that, but um if I remember correctly, the inflatables were not considered part of a uh commercial vessel um in its classification, but I will actually reach out to Amso, we might get them along for a session just to talk specifically on this because I know I've had several questions, and uh New South Wales Maritime have been out issuing penalty notices. So it's probably a really good time to get everyone up to speed um on what they uh they need to look at. So, yes, thank you. Okay, so we'll continue on, and um, you might have seen in your inbox, if you haven't, please dig it out, that the OCA has um negotiated an outdoor industry standard set. Now, this is a set of 35 standards, international and Australian, that are part of uh what we need to look at in the outdoor industry. So um a really great collection at a very good price, uh, and we also get 10% off that price of a curated set. If you want the mobile version only, it's just over$100. I think it's$121. So what a great opportunity. These are always been quite unattainable due to the um the cost and the access. Um, so now uh as part of OCA, we're trying to alleviate that so our operators have got better access to um the public um confirmed standards at Australia and international level that are relevant. So um don't know if you can hear the dog barking, but sorry about that. And uh yeah, we can uh certainly point you in the right direction when it comes to some of the necessary standards. Obviously, this does not incorporate the Australian Activity Adventure standard, which is the industry guidance. Um, that will be coming out later in the year as part of the review. But if you need that, the current one is still available on the OCA website. Okay, so and sorry, any questions? Was there a question on that? Nope. Okay. So uh I wanted to share with you uh Pete represented us down in Canberra uh late last week, and he presented to the uh the tourism advisory uh group on Outdoors New South Wales. So it was uh NACT. So it was good to uh have him present what is actually happening. And most of you know the content, but I just thought I'd quickly share it with you that he highlighted the depth and breadth of the outdoor industry and our coverage, what it includes, what it doesn't include, but highlighting that uh, you know, adventure tourism, which was the tourism group in the room, is indeed an important part of the outdoor industry. Uh, we also showcased the structure and how the outdoor council of Australia is the peak body federally and how outdoors New South Wales ACT is a part of that. Um, but then he went through and explained how uh we really have a depth and breadth of the employers across the industry as well. So not only is government highly involved from a land management sense, um, but also a sport and rec camp operation sense, but we have community, not-for-profit organizations in our industry, as well as commercial entities. So quite a big mix there, which makes for complex environments, but also a collaborative opportunity right across the all spectrums. Um, he highlighted our current data and how many organizations were connected to our industry in New South Wales and the ACT. Um, and we are still struggling getting our workers back. When you think that 2019 we had 75,000, um, considerable drop for obvious reasons as COVID took place, but still struggling to get that workforce back. And our high reliance on the volunteer workforce when it comes to clubs, uh recreation, scouts, guides, uh, and many of those types of activities. Um, and of course, second being our casuals, where we're highly reliant on our casual workforce, of which a lot is seasonal as well. Um, and the push for getting our workers to meet our capacity, as you might remember from our 25 census, that we still need a good 14,500 workers to meet our current demand. So we're spreading our workforce very thin at the moment. Here's the top activities that represent our industry. And um, yes, we this was a good thing to highlight because of Canberra and surrounds and certainly the opportunities that uh exist in the ACT around uh adventurous activities. And then we just talked about how the growth and the change that's happening in the industries is quite interesting. So, as a whole, outdoor education still by far is the majority of the activity. And uh, whilst uh quite stagnant in its growth, you can see that in percentage terms, adventure tourism and outdoor therapy um are slicing off that pie a little bit further. But you can see here that it's quite a high percentage of growth, just working from a very small base. So in one year, we're seeing outdoor therapy certainly skyrocket with a massive 43% increase, adventure tourism 17% increase. Um, but our recreation and education, whilst down in a little bit in recreation, is quite stagnant. So um, yeah, it'll be interesting to see where this goes. And uh, this was courtesy of Oz Trade. They did a study in nature-based activities for tourism. So uh quite good that we were able to pull this apart and show the tourism aspect and how important um any of our nature-based activities were to uh tourism in Australia. Um, we talked the lastly about the importance of that connection and why uh we're seeing that increase. And I'm preaching to the converted here, but we know that you know that connection to nature plays so much uh of a beneficial um outcome in our society, whether it be through mental health, through sheer leisure and recreation, um, but certainly uh that community connection, sociability uh comes in there as well. So thanks, Pete, for standing in for me down in Canberra and presenting that to the Canberra group. Um certainly great uh conversations happened after that. A reminder: the employment guidance is now available to all members. It's in your portal. It does have a lot of content around leading that conversation on what uh employers and employees need to know. Uh, also where it comes into contracting, volunteers, other work arrangements. Um, a whole heap of content there, which was guided by our outdoor leaders committee and then uh verified by our friends at Bardia Perry Lawyers to make sure it was true and accurate. It does include a lot around the awards and the conditions of pay, including WHS and the use of personal equipment and vehicles. So please use it as a conversation starter or a guidance for your own compliance, whether you're an employee or an employer. And as we get closer to July, we've got a massive lineup of events for you. So we've got the masterclass on the 15th and 16th, we've got the awards on the 16th, and the outdoor learning conference on the 17th and 18th. So if you have qualified in your points to get access to the masterclass at a lower rate, you would have now received your email. So you can jump in and uh the gold members are attending for no cost. Well done, gold members, and anyone with 300 points or more can attend for only$110 for the two days. If you achieve 200 points, you get it for$210. And members can attend if they don't quite meet the$200, you can get it for$380 for the two days, includes all your meals, uh, all the speakers, the content, and the networking as well. It'll be held in Jarvis Bay, uh, sorry, Jervis Bay, and uh we'll be at Trinity Grammar School, the campus at Wallamaya. So uh really looking forward to that masterclass. And then as we say, the awards is in the next day. Remember that these close on the 10th of May. So if you're wanting to submit an application to any of these categories, now is the time to pull your submission together. You can jump onto the website, download the questions, start um compiling your questions, and then when you go through the portal, you can cut and paste straight into the form that it will send you, send you to. So lots of different uh categories available, and uh this process is um quite seamless. Uh, and then we have the judges come back and provide some feedback for you on your submissions to help not only just give you feedback on your submission, but maybe your business too. So a bit of free guidance from some great professionals in the industry who have joined as part of the judging team. These are the dates. So we're open for applications now. They close on the 10th of May. The judging happens in May. Uh, we do have a People's Choice voting uh open from the 15th of May, and then the judges deliberation days on the 9th of June, so we could come together and celebrate on the 16th of July. Then we have the outdoor learning conference the two days after. So this is for the teachers, the facilitators, the carers, anyone wanting to get kids outdoors more often and work out how they can combine curriculum, a lot of different opportunities in getting kids more active and away from screens, but also enjoying the benefits of what outdoor education provides. This is a reminder again. I did bring this up last, uh not last week, because it was Good Friday, the week before, that Saxa is now conducting a review of all the travel and tourism qualifications. There is a technical committee that's being formed to look at the tour guide course. Now, this is a good opportunity to integrate some of what Human Ability are doing with our SIS packages and potentially looking at the opportunities for career pathways out of the tour guide course. So if you are in the tour guide space, if you've got some great expertise in that area, it might be a good opportunity to volunteer sometime to help with that technical committee to get a better outcome for career pathways in tourism. So we have Tintin with us, and Tintin is going to give us a bit of an idea about what is happening in our professional development sessions at the moment. So Tintin, over to you. Tell us what we need to know.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Hello. Thanks, Laurie. Um Yeah, I was thinking of doing something different, but I don't know. We'll see. Okay, go for it. We'll get away. Cool. Uh just to I would love to talk about the training part of things. And as you all know, we have put out a big um uh option of um training plans from for the whole year, and it ranges from canoeing to rock top rock climbing, app sailing, bushwalking, facilitation, all of the other things like leadership, wilderness first air, remote first edge. So there's a lot of things happening in this space. Um and I just kind of want to give you a quick context on why this exists, right? Um, and that's that's the most important part. Why did we decide to put all of these trainings up front for the whole year and we're still liaison with people to understand what your needs are and how can we fill those gaps. Um so just to give you a context, I would love for all of you to kind of quickly think of one person that you think is an expert in any field. You don't have to tell me, you just have to think. Think of one person that you think is an expert in any field. It could be outdoor, it could be uh in sports, it could be in science. Doesn't matter what field you're thinking of, think of one person who you think is an expert. Right? I'll tell you a quick story of two lumberjacks. These two lumberjacks would go to work at the same time and finish at the same time every day. One of the lumberjacks would disappear for an hour in the afternoon, every single day, but would be able to come back and cut exactly the same amount of wood as the one who stayed back, or sometimes even more. So this one who always stayed back decided one day to ask this one who disappears, Where does he go? So he confronts him and he asks him, Where do you go every single day? For an hour, you disappear, but you still are able to manage to come back and cut the same amount of wood that I do, or even more sometimes. And the one that disappears tells him that. He goes home to sharpen his axe. And that's the same idea of why we put these things in place. This is an opportunity for everybody in the industry, not just outdoor education, the outdoor industry, to sharpen their skills. So when we have the unique uh ability and opportunity to be in front of clients and participants, we are able to create an opportunity for an experience to happen, a meaningful experience to happen, and to shift perspectives, ideas, and beliefs in our participants. Right? And we unfortunately at this point in time, um, because of so many different reasons, we are not able to create those opportunities for our people. We are in you know in the process of creating that lumberjack who's always taking the time to go and refine their skills. Um so uh yeah, and all of these courses for you know, you can go and have a look at this website that Laurie has put on the screen with the professional development sessions. Every single course uh it's climbing, upselling, canoeing, facilitation leadership, all of them are best book. Then they put in you'll look you read the title of the course, you'll know exactly what we're trying to do. And the this is put in place because of the need and the gap that we found in the industry by talking to the community. It's not something that we have come up with thinking that this is gonna be amazing to put on the website and see what happens. It's a gap that we're trying to fill. And last thing I would like to say is yes, it's all there. It's there for you to have a look and see the breadth and the scope of the trainings that we offer and the amazing partners that we have who are delivering these courses and have designed the courses. Um, industry experts are doing this. Um, but also we are here to kind of take away the hard guards for you. You know, we want you to feel at ease. You it's a one-stop solution. We want you to come to us and let us know what your needs are, what are you trying to fix, or challenges you're trying to get through as an employer or as an employee. And one such example is we've just in January, we've been able to put together a mountain biking course for Barker College. And it was a Bispock course, and Scott at uh Barker College uh you know told me that he did not know that this was possible. And it was only possible because he had a conversation with us and said, Hey, this is what I'm looking for for my staff. Can we do it in my in our context, in our setting? And we said yes, we can definitely do that. And that was an absolute hit. It worked really well. People at Barker College are able to go back and use that knowledge in the context that applies to them. So if this is something that you're looking for, we're here to help. As I said, we want to take away the hard yards for you, we want to do that for you. All you need to do, I keep telling this to everybody, all you need to do is show up and we'll do everything else for you. Okay, so if you have anything that you're looking at the website and being like, Oh, can we do a training on something that's not here? Absolutely yes. And that's a conversation. Okay, so just if you feel like you need more information, hit us up, training at outdoorsnewsouthwalesact.com.au Let me know what you're looking for, and I'm more than happy to help.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Thank you.

Sun Safety Photo Competition

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Thanks, Tintin, and I love that analogy. I think that uh sharpening the axe is uh really important for all of us. We do get uh caught up in resting on our laurels a lot of time, and it's often that spark of new ideas that gets us going. Amazing. Well, thank you so so much. Let's uh keep going, and uh, I'm gonna hand over to Emma, who's gonna talk about this fabulous competition that we organized together. But uh yes, there's a lot going on at Cancer Council. Tell us about it, Emma.

SPEAKER_04 26:12

Sorry, um, and hi everyone, good morning. Um, and thanks for letting me jump into your meeting today. Um as Laura said, my name's Emma and I'm from Cancer Council New South Wales, um, working in our skin cancer prevention unit. Um super excited to be here today, um, you know, sharing the opportunity that we have um working with Outdoors New South Wales ACT and OCA on the Sun Safety Outdoors Photo Competition. Um you may have heard of it already, but you know, I'm going to share a bit of context and hopefully get you all excited to enter. Um, so a bit of background, um, you know, our role at in the skin cancer engine unit, you know, part of a focus is supporting outdoor workers and sport and rec organizations like yourself to reduce skin cancer risk, but while making sure people can keep doing what they do outdoors. Um, you know, so this competition is a great opportunity to get your members involved and highlight the great practices you're probably already doing. Um, but of course, there's prizes up for grabs as well. Um, so a bit of context of why the competition matters. Um, so Australia does have one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world, um, with two and three Australians diagnosed during their lifetime. UV exposure is the main cause, um, and we know outdoor work, sport, recreation naturally increases that exposure, um, with outdoor workers receiving 10 times more exposure of UV radiation than the general population. Um, but the positive part of the story is that skin cancer is largely preventable. So, as Laurie was saying before, being outdoors has so many co-benefits, you know, the connection to nature, mental health. Um, and so we want people to continue being outdoors, but with simple sun protection in place. And by doing these actions every day, we reduce our risk. And as member organizations, you can help play a key role in protecting staff, volunteers, members, paid or unpaid. Um, and a powerful way that we can do this is through role modelling. Um, and so role modelling sun safe behavior both in a practice and through our communications as well. Um, so in newsletters, websites, social media posts, um, you know, in your resources, you know, practicing that sun safety. Um, when we see it being consistently used, hopefully it just becomes you know how things are done. It's part of our safety kit, it's it's the norm. Um, and so that's where we need your help. Um, and it's also a win-win because you can benefit. But with this voter competition, um, we're looking for realistic, up-to-date sunsafe imagery, you know, images that genuinely reflect the outdoor recreation sector. Um, we want to showcase your activities, um, your people, have them all promoted. Um, so as part of this competition, uh, we're inviting OCA member organizations and individuals to submit your photos showing sun safety in action. So this could be your staff, volunteers, participants, um, you know, enjoying your outdoor activity, uh, but with clear sun protection on display. So we're thinking the wide brim hats, long sleeves, shade, sunscreen, sunglasses. Um, we do have a photo criteria that we've developed that will support your submissions, um, but it's just asking for three of those five measures to be in place. Um, but of course, activity-specific safety equipment should also be visible. So that will that will be factored in as well. Um, so we've got some entries that have come through, um, but there is three weeks left of the competition, um, so plenty of time for you to jump on board. Um, so they'll close the 30th of April. Um, so three weeks left, you can enter as many times as you'd like. Um, so plenty of scope to get your teams involved, different activities, um, get creative. Um, so when you're out in your next activity over the next week, or maybe you've already got a photo because you're doing it all the time, um, send them through. Um and to say thank you, we've also got the prize pool of$950 in Cancer Cancel gift cards available. Um, so the first prize will be$500, um, and then three other winners as well. So there's lots of awesome things you can purchase from the store for the individual, for the member, or for your organization. Um, so my ask today being here is get involved, please get involved, um, share it with your members, share it with your friends when you're next outdoors. Um, you know, by encouraging your members or yourself to take part, you're helping us build a collection of you know real-world images that support sun safety across the outdoor sector. Um and essentially it's just a great opportunity to have your activity promoted and demonstrate your commitment to protecting your members. Um so thanks again for letting me jump on board. I'm super excited to see what photos come through. Um and I'll just drop my email as well in the chat. So if you do have any questions about the competition, but I guess also in general, um happy to have a conversation about sun safety um and how we could support you going forward. Um we've got an awesome outdoor worker toolkit coming up in May. So if that's something you're interested in, we'd love to be in that conversation.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

Amazing. Thanks so much, Em. That's great. Yeah, and look, if you've got branded, you know, Seek Sister stuff there, Kirsty, make sure it's visible because you know we can actually promote organizations uh doing these fabulous activities by doing this. So um I know Dave has his shirts that look fabulous with adventure guides Australia on them. So yeah, make sure you get that out there as well. Here's an opportunity for free advertising. Amazing and great to work with you, and it's been an absolute pleasure, will continue to be a pleasure, and uh thank you for involving us in this competition.

SPEAKER_04 32:10

Thanks everyone.

SPEAKER_02 32:11

Zach, did you have a question or a comment, or did you want to skip that?

SPEAKER_05 32:15

Um it got answered. Um uh by Emma in that latter part of presentation, it has to have some safe accoutrements, which I thought that's gonna cut out all my snow activities where you wear a beanie.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Oh, without the hat. No, that should be fine because I think it's head covering, isn't it, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:34

Correct. And um, you know, if you've probably got your your broad goggles on, um, so of course they're gonna be factory of what's relevant to your sport, but um yeah, some adjustments criteria have your lobby's lead on. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:48

Yeah, I appreciate it would be politically incorrect to take a sun safe photo with no protection. Correct.

Next Week Host And Closing

SPEAKER_02 32:55

That's right. Similar similar to uh, you know, all of all of our safety equipment as well. So which we're still educating some of our uh tourism agencies on, but we're getting there. Amazing. Well, thank you, Ann. And she's put the link in the chat there for you. So you've got everything that you need. So let's see some great images and uh yeah, let's start promoting these activities as well. And this is a great way to do it. Awesome. Well, thank you everyone. Um, now just a bit of news for next week. Don't be shocked, but I'm taking four days off and I'm not going to be contactable. Um, so I am taking a bit of a break uh from Wednesday through to well, it's five days technically, but um Sunday is uh I'll be coming back about midday. Um so Kai is going to hold the foot for me next week. So Kai is going to be your presenter at the Connect and Share for uh for episode 10 of season four. So uh please give her your support. Um, she hasn't done one of our Connect and Shares before, but very well versed in our pinnacle leadership uh webinars. So uh she'll be presenting all the news for you next week as I take a bit of a break um away from um yeah, the screens. Looking forward to it. So thank you everyone for joining us for another Connect and Share and stick around. We're gonna talk All Things Snow Summit, uh, which is coming up in May. So um that might be something I add to the presentation for Kai to cover off next week as well. Thank you for being here. We will see you all very soon.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Thank you for joining the weekly Outdoor Industry Connect and Share Forum, brought to you by Outdoors, New South Wales and Australian Capital Territory, your peak body for the outdoor industry. Together with our members, we're shaping the future of the outdoors. See you next week for more insights and collaboration.