Interview with Julia Lupine Author of Under a Rock, An Electrosensitive Survival Guide

What lengths would you go to for your health? In an electrifying conversation with Julia Lupine, we journey through her extraordinary story of survival amidst severe electromagnetic poisoning. Julia's remarkable adaptation, from taking shelter in a cave to braving a diet of dog food, paints a vivid picture of the harsh reality faced by electrosensitive individuals. She enlightens us her book, 'Under a Rock an Electro-Sensitive Survival Guide,' aiming to be a beacon for those battling similar circumstances.

The increase in the world's electromagnetic signals is the real problem, not the people who are electrosensitive.

Lastly, we delve into the healing powers of herbalism and natural remedies in dealing with poisoning symptoms. Julia shares insightful experiences on how a blend of medicinal mushroom powders and other natural methods, has aided in enhancing her immune system and significantly improving her health. The narrative sheds light on the detrimental effects of our chemical environment on our health and the pursuit of a more natural lifestyle in this tech-dominated era. Join us, as we navigate these crucial conversations and unearth the trials, tribulations, and triumphs of living with electrosensitivity.

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Speaker 1: 0:00

But how far would you go? What would you be willing to do to reclaim your health and an abundant life? What if the electromagnetic poisoning began much earlier than you ever realized? What if you had no home, couldn't drive, couldn't work a normal job, had no money and your friends doubted your sanity at times? What would you endure? More importantly, would you do what it takes to survive? Would you, for example, live in a cave, pack your food and water on your back for miles? When you became malnourished and, since you had no refrigeration, couldn't store meat, would you be willing to eat dog food to survive? Julia Lupine just published a book called Under a Rock an Electro-Sensitive Survival Guide Julia's first ever interview Coming up.

Speaker 2: 1:27

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Speaker 1: 1:49

Hi, this is Keith Cutter with EMF Remedycom and you're listening to Reversing Electromagnetic Poisoning. Julia Lupine could teach us all something about reversing electromagnetic poisoning. What a fascinating story she has, and, yes, it does have a happy ending. I'm going to save that for you to hear about in the interview, but first I wanted to give you a little bit of a backstory. So I got an email message out of the blue and it was from Julia. We had never met before.

Speaker 1: 2:33

We made arrangements to be able to speak on the telephone. She had to go to a friend's house and borrow the phone there so that we could talk, and she told me a bit about her story. She mentioned that she just published a book. I of course had to get a copy and I read the book and was so interested in her story and her upbeat attitude and her can do, and there was just nothing that was too much for this woman to do in order to escape the worldwide it seems poisoning that's going on, with RF radiation in particular. So then it was just a matter of she didn't know how to use Zoom, she didn't have a computer or internet access, and how could we pull all of this together? So we, by the grace of God, were able to do that and we had an interview and, yeah, I think you're really going to enjoy it.

Speaker 1: 3:44

I need to let you know it ends abruptly. It would have ended within about 30 or 60 seconds anyway. We were wrapping up the interview. She was just telling me a little bit about her long time interest in herbalism and her interest in medicinal wild mushrooms and suddenly she got a knock on the door. It was a neighbor who needed help and if you've ever lived in a very remote area, when a neighbor needs help, that's like a 911 call. The reason is, if you were to call 911, it might be an hour before you got a response. So of course she had to drop everything and help this neighbor out, which was absolutely the right thing to do, but it left our interview hanging. So you're going to hear it ends in that way. Just know that we were wrapping it up anyway and there was no way I was going to go through all that. It took to schedule another interview just so we could say the goodbyes, so hopefully you're understanding of that.

Speaker 1: 4:59

So, as I've mentioned a number of times on this podcast, I served two kinds of people. One type of person knows that there's something really wrong with electromagnetic, manmade electromagnetic radiation and wants to take a precautionary approach towards exposing themselves or their loved ones to non-native.

Speaker 1: 5:25

EMF, and the other are people like myself, people like Julia, who must achieve the lowest possible EMF exposure, and it's not possible to do that in most cities, so some people run. If you don't have a shield at home, that's what you have to do. So we're going to talk about a number of things in the interview with Julie. I didn't get to mention it when she and I were concluding the interview, so I'll mention it just up front. Please consider giving this woman some support by buying her book. It is available on Amazon at either a electronic download, if you like, or a paperback. The name is Julia Lupine L-U-P-I-N-E. The name of the book is Under a Rock and Electro Sensitive Survival Guide. Here we go.

Speaker 3: 6:39

We don't have to be victims living in a basement with a tinfoil hat, hiding from the world.

Speaker 1: 6:45

All right. My guest today is Julia Lupine. She's a many-year survivor of electromagnetic poisoning and she wants to share her story. Welcome, Julia. Hi Well, I'm so glad we could get together. It's been a bit of a challenge. Everything is easy when non-native electromagnetic fields influence your life in a great way. So we've probably been working on setting this up for, I don't know, maybe three or four weeks now, do you think?

Speaker 3: 7:21

Probably something like that Just getting the internet access and then figuring out how to because I'm using a friend's computer and then figuring out how to use Zoom and getting the lighting right and getting the sound to work and getting the goat to shut up. Right, you know, but I think this is going to work now.

Speaker 1: 7:44

Well, we're going to have to get into and tell people why there's a goat there, but telling this story, this is going to be a bit of a challenge and we're not going to be able to get it all in today, but Thank you. Can you share with people a bit of your story with I don't know? Do you like to call it electrohypersensitivity or?

Speaker 3: 8:05

Usually electro sensitivity but, same thing.

Speaker 3: 8:10

But yeah, my story is I had a fairly normal childhood, suburban Connecticut and never really felt quite at home there, so I went west as soon as I could. But anyway, when I went I traveled around and lived in different states. But when I was about when I was 28 years old, I moved to the Moab Utah area and I was just doing I wasn't already living off grid when I became electro sensitive. I was interested in primitive skills and survival and trying to live off the land and make, cook over fires and gather wild plants, did a little bit of hunting and I was, you know, just trying to try to figure out what I wanted to do in my life and having a great time really living like this. But I noticed that whenever I went back into so I was traveling, kind of living out of a backpack and spending time in different caves and remote areas and working a day or two year landscaping or painting when I needed money and partying with friends and weekends in Moab, and what I noticed was started noticing was when I'd come into town I felt weird and really scattered and overwhelmed and at first I thought it was just overstimulus and but I noticed I started getting headaches and when I would turn, when I would hold my phone up to my ear, I'd start getting a burning pain right here and I just got worse and worse the longer I use the phone. So I started holding it out further and that worked for a while and then that started hurting and I eventually got angry enough at it that I smashed it with a rock, which I recommend everyone do. It feels great, but it was not.

Speaker 3: 10:05

That was not the end of my problems, because I just got worse, started getting worse and worse, and being near a Wi Fi router or going under power lines or any kind of electromagnetic exposure would bother me, but I didn't know anything about it. I did. My friends thought I was crazy and I just thought it was somehow equated it to the psychic woo, woo and energy and all of this. I just didn't really vibes. You know, I didn't really understand the electromagnetic spectrum in the science behind it. I just knew something was seriously wrong.

Speaker 3: 10:41

And after a couple years of this it got worse, possibly triggered by me. Climbing a cell phone tower to try to face my fears, which I don't recommend anyone do Didn't work out too well and I had a splitting headache and nausea afterward and didn't feel well for about a week and my sensitivities just got worse and worse, to the point where I was living in caves most of the time and my family or my friends mostly did think I was crazy, or at least I just perceived it that way, and I tried you know, try to be tough and say, well, I don't need people, I'm just going to stay out here. But after a while of that I started getting a little better, though longer I was, because one thing with electorsensitivity is the longer you stay away from it, the better you feel.

Speaker 3: 11:40

And eventually, if you heal enough, your resistance gets better. And I was actually still in fairly good health. I would get these symptoms. But when I wasn't around something electrical I felt great. I was hiking, maybe on average five miles a day with a backpack and hauling spring water and hitch hiking and get it going in between these different campsites and, you know, trying to live as natural of a lifestyle as I could. And one day, in about in 2017, 2016, on a whim, I decided to hitch hike to the East Coast to visit my family in Vermont who live in a house with there was no Wi Fi and it was in a one stoplight town with a 3G tower that wasn't that close. So I figured I'd probably be fine and things went pretty well for a while and it was did a lot of hiking and it was great to reconnect with my family.

Speaker 3: 12:40

But I one day I was in the hospital getting some routine blood work done because I had a problem with turned out to be my gallbladder, but I didn't know it at the time. It was congested and full of gallstones and I was having major digestive troubles and losing a bunch of weight. So I was in the hospital room getting in the waiting room waiting to get my blood drawn and it was pretty much wireless hell in there and I just got a headache that got worse and worse and worse until and normally I would have left at that point, but I wanted to get this blood work done, so I stuck it out until my vision started getting like whiteing out, getting weird. I was shaking, like visibly shaking the nurses. Finally they got me in and they'd say they said they'd have to strap me down in order to get me to stop shaking, to draw my blood and never have an emergency in the emergency room. I just don't care, they don't. So ended up never getting the test.

Speaker 3: 13:46

I when, when I realized my vision was going, I just ran out of there, almost ran into some, some tape by a construction site outside the hospital. But I went and laid down in the grass and like, had it was? It was like a seizure, but not not uncontrollable, but I was pretty much shaking and smacking the ground and screaming and after, after a while of that, I felt better calm and my dad drove me home. It felt great. It felt fine for the rest of the day. I went to sleep. I woke up in a electromagnetic hell, the world had changed or I had changed. It was a thresholding event that brought me to the next level of electrosensitivity. It's like steps. There's definite change. There's definite before and after, usually triggered by a large exposure.

Speaker 3: 14:37

Other people's experiences are consistent with this and when from then on, from that moment on, I mean I was walking across my yard and I would stop, I'd feel like an invisible fence and it was like an invisible fence and it was the neighbor's Wi-Fi and I went around my whole yard and there was one house that didn't have it. But when I didn't feel that later turned out they didn't have Wi-Fi. I didn't know it. I really know that at the time and I couldn't even go in the house. There was no Wi-Fi in my family's house but I couldn't even go in the electric.

Speaker 3: 15:14

I had these varicose veins that appeared and I was 35 years old. But I had these varicose veins that appeared on my arms and legs that day and they would flare up around electrical fields. I get the shakiness. My headaches became migraines and just opening the refrigerator would trigger this and so I just started. I was sleeping outside in the garden. She had any bite and I just it was okay, right there, but anywhere else around, because I picked the lowest signal spot in the yard but pretty much going anywhere or interacting with society in any way after that became almost impossible. Or using the refrigerator. I just kept my food in a cooler sitting in the stream, which I'd done before, and was used to living primitively cooking over a fire grate in the yard. All of that was fine, but it was getting harder and harder to live this way, so luckily I moved to.

Speaker 3: 16:21

I'll try to keep speed the story up a little bit here, but my family also owned an abandoned house halfway up a ski mountain. This house had been abandoned. It was a really nice house that would have been an expensive ski house but it had been abandoned 30 years ago so there was no power small mansion with marble countertops and stuff and I was like cooking over it. So I moved up there and serendipitously it happened to be the one spot on the mountain where you pretty much couldn't make a cell phone call. It was like in this little valley that was protected and I had like acres of space and my cat and I would just go hiking every day and I lived up there for six months. It was like being on a wildlife refuge. It was probably the most alone I've ever been and it was mostly a great time, although I was sick. If I accidentally wandered off the refuge and got into the line of sight of a cell tower or got too near the Wi-Fi of the nearest ski lodge, I'd immediately lose all my energy and just have to drag myself home. But mostly had a good time up there.

Speaker 3: 17:34

But then when the first snow has came, I had to move back down the mountain to the family's main house and spend a long winter in a house with power. I turned off the power to my bedroom and just spent my time in the areas of the house where the lowest, where the and I didn't even have a meter at the time, which would have been helpful if I did but I could just tell where the lowest amounts of AC electric power were and just it became a strategic chess game Don't touch the hot lock. And I survived that way until the spring. But health was getting progressively worse and I knew I just had to, had to get back to Moab, you know, and to an area where I could live out in the desert away from any signals. So got on the M-track made it back there. Barely Didn't look too good when I got off, but I went back to Cave Life and told myself I would never leave again. And long story, long story short, I had a. That was going well for a while.

Speaker 3: 18:48

Then I had a health crisis with my gallbladder and had to go to the hospital and get what's it called an endoscopy.

Speaker 3: 18:58

And that was when I figured out what it was and around and started taking steps, herbaly, to fix it.

Speaker 3: 19:04

They wanted me to take it out and I and I had a horrible candida Infection systemic infection of the body to which is a very common thing with electrosensitives but Anyway started taking steps to fix that.

Speaker 3: 19:19

But around that time I met a lady who had a farm with boats in a remote area and she also was electrosensitive and I moved in with her and started doing chores around the farm.

Speaker 3: 19:31

She taught me everything about goats and gardening and I was just able to Really have a meaningful life and that led toward me getting my own farm very close by and anyway I'm still here and Get to play with goats and kitties all day and have a wonderful life and hike all the time and have the best views and have a group of friends out here and in an area with no Wi-Fi. My help has come back, I Feel awesome and life is good. And now I well. I wrote this book and under a rock and electrosensitive survival guide, and right now I'm trying to promote it and get the word out and, mostly, try to inspire other people and let them know you know things. Things can be better, but you've got to take the steps, get away from the, get away from the problem and Don't stand for it anymore and make yourself a life in a safer area.

Speaker 1: 20:35

Yeah, that's, that's great, and I have a copy of the book as well and I've enjoyed reading it and I I recommend that people who are interested in this topic Do check it out and we'll give you some information about it at the end there. But that's a brief outline of the, the story that she'll read about in the book. There's quite a bit more detail on that particular part of the story and some things that Julia has found. That's that's made it a bit easier, but you just mentioned that the, the critical thing is getting away from it, so Talk about that a little bit more.

Speaker 3: 21:22

Yeah, that's the most important thing. I mean you can there's a lot of herbs and different things you can do to dietary things you can do, but after a point, what you don't want to do is just make yourself healthy and stay in the fields long enough to have a Thresholding reaction and make yourself worse. That's what I did. Is I just got so good at using anti-inflammatory Herbs and different things to manage the symptoms that I stayed longer than I should have and what? Yeah, what you really need to do is at least a sleep in a safe place or, if you can't do that, get away on weekends and you know, just spend as much time as you can and field free areas and use a meter to find these areas, but yeah, yeah, get away from it and just don't stand for it anymore. It's not more more for people. Yeah, we all know that truly, truly.

Speaker 1: 22:16

And what I really like about your story. You know it's been said that most people like, like you and I, electrosensitives, or I just call it electromagnetic poisoning, because it seems to me like we've poisoned the earth, we're in the process of poisoning the earth, and then we're surprised when people React with symptoms of being poisoning, being poisoned. But maybe, maybe I'm too direct. But the thing I like about your story it's been said that the people like us just go away and die quietly, and that's not the case with your story.

Speaker 1: 22:52

In fact, what I really love about it is there wasn't any Anything that was too much to try to accomplish in order to get away from this type of poisoning. So you were literally living in caves and If you might want to talk a little bit about that in a minute but you were literally living in caves in a very remote area, just to get away from the last whisper of man-made Electromagnetism, in order that you could Begin to get healthy, begin to develop a bit of resistance against these, these symptoms. So Talk about that dimension, I mean it. What was, what was too much to do for you to get out of the, the burn, as some people have called it?

Speaker 3: 23:50

Right, I mean really nothing's too much. If it's your health and your sanity and your life, you should do everything you can. I mean it's a challenge.

Speaker 1: 24:00

Would you eat, but would you eat dog food?

Speaker 3: 24:07

I quit years ago, haven't looked back to, but yeah, I was. I tried all kinds of things and some of that, some of my ideas, were winners and some a little less so. And I was, you know, trying to up the protein intake because I tried all different types of diets and I thought maybe the low-carb, high protein thing would be good. And I had this brilliant idea that you know they don't really make meat in can't because I didn't have a refrigeration or refrigeration live in the caves and meat would have gone bad, and so canned food Made more sense. But they don't really make canned meat for humans, but organic dog food and cat food they did. I Gave it a try for a while and my friends really thought I was crazy then. And then I got kind of addicted to it and I'd put spaghetti sauce on it or try, you know, and it was like. And then I got into the kibble stuff and anyway, I don't go there. It's not a win.

Speaker 1: 25:13

I had to eventually stop you know, you know what I really love about you sharing that and sharing it so openly and honestly in your book and right now, is that you don't even mention the obvious thing. The really really obvious thing is you couldn't work to be able to afford a proper home away from that well, that's, that's foundational right.

Speaker 3: 25:43

Yeah, you need to work to support yourself and and for a while I wanted even go on food stamps as I was too proud and I Encourage everyone to get over that get whatever kind of help you can. It's your life at stake and you know, in the situation that we're facing is not fair. So at least stack the odds in your favor. But beyond that, get some survival, start a garden and you know and learn about wild edibles. And get some goats if you can, or chickens, whatever, and just try to try to be self Supporting as much as you can and that's in. That'll empower you and give you. You know, I eat great now and goat milk lattes in the morning and cheese and yogurt and produce from the garden, fruit off the trees.

Speaker 1: 26:29

Yeah, it's, it's. It's absolutely amazing um point in your story where you've gone through this incredible adversity and Nothing has been too much to do, too much to endure, too much to try in order to get away from the poisoning. And so you're altering your lifestyle. The food you would eat, where you're staying, you haven't mentioned in this interview, but you're packing, in some cases, your own water for miles in order to get it to a safe place to sleep. So I just love that spirit of being willing to do what's necessary to get out of the radiation exposure so that you can begin to improve. And then now, of course and we haven't talked too much about it, but you've been able to buy land and are starting to get your own farm together, which is fantastic.

Speaker 1: 27:31

But before we get there, you mentioned something about these threshold events. You had the idea, with a little coaxing from one of your friends, to climb a cell phone tower. And, yeah, and, and, and you know the idea I got to say you know you were trying to face your fear over, although maybe I'll say you didn't really understand the nature of this beast entirely. But anyway, you climbed this cell phone tower, or if it wasn't a cell phone tower. It was a microwave dish of some sort, anyway, microwave communications of some sort.

Speaker 3: 28:12

With a big round antenna.

Speaker 1: 28:14

Yeah, did you have a name for that tower?

Speaker 3: 28:17

Yeah, we called it the Satan tree, ok yeah. Even my friends and my dad started calling it.

Speaker 1: 28:23

Right.

Speaker 3: 28:24

So because you know, you've got to call it how it is.

Speaker 1: 28:26

Yeah, yeah. So it seems like that was an inflection point. And then the other that you mentioned was when you were at the hospital and you needed to get this blood draw. The environment in the hospital, the electromagnetic environment in the hospital, was so offensive that you know, as I'm reading it, it's you're in this sympathetic nervous system state and you're Forcing yourself to be there just as long as you could. But after that much radiation exposure for that long, while you're waiting and waiting and waiting for your turn to come, that finally you weren't in the shape to be able to do a blood draw, and everything, yeah, everything afterwards was different for you. That was like, like you say, a threshold event. So then you mentioned that you were sensitive not only to radio frequency radiation, microwave radiation, what would come from a cell phone tower, wi-fi, bluetooth, any of that nonsense but that you were actually sensitive to the electricity in the home.

Speaker 3: 29:28

Right, yeah, yeah, and it's just a lower. It's a lower frequency than Wi-Fi. So Wi-Fi tends to be what people get sensitized to first, but it's really all non-native radiation. There's nothing in our natural environment that would be in this particular wave form. So even though we think a refrigerator is normal, or electric light and most people don't have a problem with these things, but I think it's when our nervous system gets damaged by these higher frequencies that our immunity just lowers to all, to other other frequencies. And there's electrosensitives who can tolerate a household AC power but not a cell phone. You know we're not all allergic to the same things, but the longer your exposure goes on it tends to get worse. And then if you get a, then if you get away from it, it can be somewhat reversible to a point if you get away from it soon enough. But what I've seen is that in extreme cases like myself, we tend to just best to avoid it completely as much as we can.

Speaker 1: 30:47

Right, yeah, I resonate with that. So let's talk a little bit about when maybe this really began. So another thing that you share very honestly and very openly in the book is your experience in grade school. Can you, can you, talk about that a little bit and then also contrast that with suddenly you're able to write a book, get a farm, be productive in life, move out of a cave.

Speaker 3: 31:17

Or an after.

Speaker 1: 31:19

Yeah, so can you. Can you talk about that a little bit?

Speaker 3: 31:22

For sure. Well, when I was a kid, I was a student and fairly good health, but it was around maybe high, around high school, which was like the late 90s, early 2000s. Coincidentally, that was about the time the cell towers were really becoming prevalent, especially on the East Coast where I was, but I would have never made that connection. But around age 15, 16, I noticed my concentration started getting really bad in school and I went from straight A's to like C's and D's and I, you know, just wouldn't care I'd be. When I got my driver's license, which took a while because I was pretty bad at driving and would get really confused in traffic, but anyway, I would be driving to school in the morning and just my, you know, I just couldn't make that right turn. I'd end up going straight and going to the beach. You know, just because it didn't, I didn't care anymore and my concentration was just horrible and I just thought and my first job experience is too Sometimes I would be really good at things, but then other times my concentration was so bad that I could. You know, I had dreams of becoming a wildlife biologist, but by the time I was in my early to mid 20s I could handle walking dogs or holding a hose and watering plants, just really doing simple menial tasks.

Speaker 3: 32:47

So, you know, and dropping out of college, just not being able, mostly just having, and I just thought I was stupid, you know, because I would have never made the connection between the cell phone in my pocket and the symptoms I was experiencing, and I wasn't much of a tech, of a technology addicted person at the time. I just thought it was a. I used the cell phone for communication. It wasn't even a smartphone back then, and you know they have strong Wi-Fi at colleges and there's cell phone towers everywhere. So I just had trouble concentrating and some really bad insomnia, and so I just, you know, realized that this career maybe wasn't going to work out so well. So I mostly just got drunk a lot and I had a great time doing it. I would work and then come home. Come home, go to the bar and just had to drink a lot of caffeine to make myself feel good too, because I had chronic fatigue and would not feel well. So I'd drink these energy drinks and they'd make me really hyper and I'd party for a few days and then crash and you know. So I thought I was bipolar, but it was probably just triggered by this environment and the steps I was taking to cope with it.

Speaker 3: 34:08

But anyway, yeah, it was really till I moved, when I moved to my, to the remote areas and started living in the caves, that my things started to change. I felt good and my health was coming back. But then it would get bad when I, when I went, spent too much time in town, and that was when I started making the connection and I maybe heard of electrosensitivity before, but never, never thought it would happen to me, and but I just cause and cause and effect. I just realized when I do this I get a headache, when I don't feel great. And so you know, I may have been electrosensitive all along and I think we're all a little electrosensitive.

Speaker 3: 34:57

Especially it tends to happen more to women, but I know a lot of men who have it too, and it may be underdiagnosed in men, actually, because they tend to get more angry and women tend to get more depressed, just as a general rule, and men don't like to admit that they have a problem. But and most people don't like to admit that they have this problem, but you know, I guess I would I'd like to stress is that we don't have the problem. The rest of the world has the problem, and not normal to live this way. Our ancestors we didn't go through however many years of evolution our species has gone through, and now typical day is checking your Twitter account and asking Alexa to order you a pizza, while you sit in front of a Wi-Fi device all day at work. Don't we want something better for ourselves and our children and the future of humanity?

Speaker 1: 35:55

And so and I really appreciate that, and Julia shares a lot of things in her books just very blunt, very straight, very upfront. Here's what it is and that's one of the things I really enjoyed about the book. So you just told me a story about how when you were younger, you were an, a student, and then about the time cell phones and Wi-Fi started to proliferate although you never made the connection you very soon thought of yourself as stupid, your grades were slipping and whatnot. And I don't know you, and that's not fair Say that I'm mad. Yeah, I call it righteous indignation and I think there's a place for that. But I'm not going to spend time thinking, for in my own case I was mistreated and misdiagnosed for over 30 years. I thought panic attacks were some defect in me. In my case it was panic attacks, in yours it was this intellectual blockage.

Speaker 3: 36:55

Yeah, just orientation confusion.

Speaker 1: 36:57

Yeah. And then the directional, so that you weren't able to drive the way that you should and you just all of a sudden dropped all of your life expectations to say, well, maybe I can just water a plant with a hose and that'll be it for me.

Speaker 3: 37:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:11

But so you and I have had a chance to talk twice now and I've gotten to know you just a little bit and I've seen how you write, and you and I have chatted about some of the things that you've learned about recently. Do you think you're you're stupid now, or I?

Speaker 1: 37:27

would say not, I would say not, and so, and then from there I just go to how many other people are suffering with, how many other parts of this type of poisoning that that never make the correlation. So I don't know, I want to, I want to ask you something. I think we're the lucky ones.

Speaker 3: 37:48

Oh, yeah, and I think we're the lucky. It took me a while to believe that yeah, but I do. I'm thankful for everything I've experienced.

Speaker 1: 37:59

So tell me about the various types of stimulation, the caffeine and the getting drunk as you look over your life, and maybe when that began, maybe when it peaked, where it is now, et cetera. Do you think that might be at all related to this poisoning?

Speaker 3: 38:18

Yeah Well, I'd say that it's what people do to mask their symptoms. It allowed me, especially drinking allowed me to exist in cities a lot longer than I probably should have stayed there, but which I don't regret any of it. I had some great experiences, even lived in Miami, where I would probably never be able to set what they're now. But I think definitely it's a bandaid and people have a hard time giving up their drugs, and if they did, things might change in society, probably have a lot more people waking up to this crisis that we're going through.

Speaker 3: 38:59

And you know and I still drink massive amounts of coffee every time I have to go into town and get groceries, and it definitely helps get me through it and then I have to cut back the your bimate or green tea or something for the rest of the week, just so my tolerance doesn't get too high, and so that'll work again the next time. As far as alcohol goes, I've cut it out completely and I recommend everyone else do the same too. It doesn't actually help. Pharmaceuticals same thing they mask the symptoms, but they'll make you sick over time, and there's really no there's really no cure for this, because it's not a disease. Some people feel it more than others when, like you said, we're the lucky ones.

Speaker 1: 39:43

Yeah, we're the lucky ones, I think, Although, you know, in both of our cases we had to make enormous changes in what we were willing to put up with.

Speaker 3: 39:55

Really, I mean freeze, below freezing temperature, sleeping outside in cars because you can't sleep in your family's house, right, and now I like to pride myself on being tough, so I guess it's okay and I was willing, willing to do it rather than, you know, go to the poor me victim act and complain because what was anyone going to do about it? Anyway, they're not going to turn the power off to the entire house, so so so let's make a.

Speaker 1: 40:23

let's make a big change, and I want to talk about right now where things are, and and about the goats, the kind of abundant life that you're having that you describe in the book, and how your parents really came through for you and whatnot. Do you want to? Do you want to talk about?

Speaker 3: 40:42

that a little bit. Yeah, so I was able to get this farm in 2020. I saved up a little bit of money from well, mostly from COVID unemployment. It was great. And then my parents did come through for me and help me with the rest. They're awesome people. Thank you, mom and dad. So for you, lifetime supply goat cheese whenever they want. They're just happy to see me doing well, because they think they realized they saw what I went through on the East Coast and then they both visited me out here and, okay, first they wanted to know why I wanted to live way out here in the middle of nowhere, and then I think they realized, oh, you're safe, you're doing well, you're actually driving, you're not a hundred pounds anymore, you know you're healthy and so so, yeah, so I've been able to build up this life where I have a small farm that's a almost five acres and I'm in the early stages of trying to figure out how to build some underground houses.

Speaker 3: 41:43

I like to do a campground or rentals for electrosensitive people. Right now it's just me and three cats, or three goats and two cats. Yeah, I have one milk goat who I cricket, who I milk every day and make cheese and yogurt and Tito, he's going to be a fat goat and if I ever decide to go back to cave life, I'll go in style and so, yeah, mostly life is good now. It was a lot of work to get here, but it was well worth it, you know, and I just want to show that people like us can thrive. We don't have to be victims living in a basement with a tinfoil hat, hiding from the world. We can go back to a natural lifestyle Humans are supposed to live.

Speaker 3: 42:25

I don't have insomnia whatsoever. I just go to bed when it's dark and wake up when the sun comes out, hopefully before the goats start screaming, and you know, and I can work all day if I want to, or take the day off and relax most of the day if I want to. I live near a beautiful river canyon. It's good for backpacking and, yeah, basically we can. We can all get to this point if we want. It's a struggle. Of course, there's heat and cold and we tend to. The areas without cell phone towers tend to be the most remote and uninhabitable regions of the world, so I definitely deal with some weather conditions here, which is good because it keeps the other humans out, right, and it's not like.

Speaker 1: 43:19

You don't like people. That's clear in your book. But you know why don't you say why you don't want to be near other humans?

Speaker 3: 43:27

They're basically turning into cyborgs. They all have a device on them all the time, at least one device a smartphone that's always radiating. Even if it's on airplane mode, sometimes they still put out radiation and they usually smell really bad, disgusting fragrances and laundry detergents that they don't smell because their olfactory glands have been burnt out by constant use of these chemicals. But if I get even across the room from a normie, I can smell them and it's disgusting. So it's not the people themselves that are the problem, but just their habits, these things that we've come to think of as normal. So yeah, I mostly have avoided people because of that, but I don't hate them. I want to share my message to the world. I'm just trying to help everybody.

Speaker 1: 44:18

Yeah, yeah, and we haven't talked so far about it, but you kind of touched on chemical sensitivity. So we are adding chemicals that have never existed before to our food supply, to the air that we breathe, to the soil and water in remarkable numbers, tens of thousands of different kinds of compounds, and there are studies out there that have been done where they look at the blood in the umbilical cord for a newborn baby, and what chemicals are there that are not of nature.

Speaker 1: 44:55

And the number and type of the chemicals that you'll find in a newborn when they haven't even been in the world yet is staggering. So, since these things are all unnatural, I've noticed that in people who have an electromagnetic sensitivity sometimes become sensitive to all of this proliferation of chemicals. What most people go to a grocery store or wherever and they get, you know, pine scented air freshener or whatever, there's no pine in that People should know.

Speaker 3: 45:34

These are that is the bad aisle of the grocery store. Just hold your nose and get through it, yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe our purpose, our place in life as electrically sensitive beings, is, as a warning you know the so-called canary in the coal mine, which goes back to that, the days of mining, when miners would regularly die of poison gas the discovery that canaries could well would respond to the poisoning of the gas before humans. So they would actually bring canaries down in the mine in a cage, and if the canary ever stopped singing or was off its perch off its perch, then the evacuation was ordered and by that manner, other people might be saved at the sacrifice of the canary. Of course, I don't know really what are our purposes and that I'll get your comments about that, but I love the fact that you're trying to help other people. So what do you think about this sort of messenger? Canary in the coal mine.

Speaker 3: 46:44

Well, I believe it 100%, except that I don't think that we have to die for it to work. You just have to get out and then start making noise. You just start spreading the word and show people before and after and bring other, bring as many people as we can out into these environments with us and have them make I mean, have them then make their own electors safe environment. Turn off the Wi-Fi. Stop paying for these things. If you start stop paying, it's like you don't put. You don't fight a war and put money into the enemy's bank account every month by paying your horizon. So just stop supporting these companies. And as we talk on the internet, but at least. But it's land, it's a landline, wired internet and the more people start demanding that that, the easier it'll get. And yeah, but as far as being canaries, yeah, for some reason we're the lucky people who get to feel it first, but I think it can happen to anyone with enough exposure and with thresholding event. Yeah, dr, yeah.

Speaker 1: 47:59

Dr Martin Paul has a paper that he's published on digital dementia and making the case for the emergence of dementia through this voltage gated calcium channel mechanism. So maybe at least we'll be, we'll be spared from that, and there is that. So there are days when it doesn't feel like we're we're so lucky.

Speaker 3: 48:23

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:23

I still, even after recovering for these these several years, and the majority of my symptoms are gone. But if I go out in what some people call the burn, I get this cardiac dysrhythmia comes back and and whatnot. So anyway, it's an ongoing struggle, but I'm with you that getting out of the burn is the first step. And before we, before we end for today, do you want to talk just a little bit about? I'm going to show you something I was, I was inspired by your book, so my wife and I went for a walk in our forest and I found this the other day.

Speaker 1: 49:00

And maybe you can talk about what you found to be some helpful natural ways to to, not as a cure for this type of poisoning, but just as a sort of get by, and so I'll try to show you here what I found. That's what it looks like on one side and let me show you the other. Yeah, ok, this is the other side.

Speaker 3: 49:21

Show me the other side. I think it's not chaga. I think it's red belted polypore. Is there like a red I? It looks like there's a red stripe across the bottom of it. I guess it's tender polypore then, which you can't.

Speaker 1: 49:33

You can make a tea out of it and enhances the immune system, similar to chaga, or so now let's tell people about why you know about mushrooms and maybe talk a little about your, your thoughts about herbalism. And just before we finish up, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3: 49:49

I've been into herbalism for years and it's great. It's what's one of the things that's empowered me to actually make this enjoyable, because I've been treating my symptoms for so many years that it's a it's a it's a challenge and it's I mean, a fun kind of challenge and has allowed me to hone my herbalism skills. So I've learned a lot about the plants this way, and so some of the things that have helped me the most have been the medicinal mushrooms. I have this one show you right here.

Speaker 3: 50:24

I've got this jar of the different mushroom powders and you can buy these and mix them together and I'll put a scoop of this is your Vamate, with a scoop of mushroom powder in it, and I'll just have a teaspoon of this once or twice a day, five days on, two days off usually, and it's a mix that this particular mix is lion's mane, cordyceps, turkey tail and reishi, and what they all do is they enhance the immune system and just really, really help with the systems. If I take, if I take it well before I go out into the world, then I notice I deal with it a lot better than on days that if I don't. Also, yaro, red clover really help, and even things like dandelion that alkalize the body and cleanse the liver really help. I've got someone coming to the door right now. I have to pause it.