A Conversation with Andrew McAfee Part 1

This is part one of a conversation with Andrew McAfee, an EMF consultant with a powerful narrative of transition from professional musician to an  EMF consultant, author and inventor.   Together, we shine a light on the hidden dangers lurking in our homes, exploring the paradox of our dependence on modern conveniences that may come at the cost of our well-being. In this enlightening conversation, Andrew unveils the truth behind the National Electrical Code and its shortcomings in protecting us from the health impacts of EMF exposure.

Have you ever considered how the electrical grounding in your home might affect your health? It's a conversation that's rarely had, yet it holds critical importance. This episode delves into the essentials of electrical grounding and return currents, providing a wealth of knowledge for those curious about the intricacies of our power infrastructure. We discuss the delicate balance between the natural electrical fields of our planet and the disruptive forces of man-made alternating currents, offering actionable advice for safeguarding your health against these invisible threats. Our dialogue offers a treasure trove of insights into managing EMF exposure and personal safety, especially from phenomena like lightning strikes.

Wrapping up, we reflect on the broader effects of electrical infrastructure on both individual health and the environment. The modern power grid, a marvel of human engineering, has dramatically altered the electromagnetic landscape, presenting new challenges to living organisms created for life in the Earth's natural electromagnetic environment. This episode provides a critical analysis of historical evidence on the health and environmental impacts from EMFs and underscores the urgency to address these modern challenges. Remember, our journey into understanding and mitigating EMF exposure is ongoing, so join us next time for continued exploration into creating healthier living spaces within our electrified world.

Transcript

Andrew McAfee: 0:00

there were actually diagnostics being made of people medically when they were first put out. The power lines of these people were having the same amount of symptoms that we have right now electrical sensitivity and they had a name for it and pretty much it was taken over by Freudian psychology. They made it, they clicked and dragged it over to you must be a basket case. You're hysterical and it became a mental thing that we could drug you to suppress all of your complaints. So very quickly stop being an environmental disease and became a personal, internal, whatever you wanna call it mental problem.

Gwyneth: 0:41

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Keith Cutter: 1:12

It is today the very first day of the new year and it is great to be back. I did sneak in a couple of episodes during the period of time there where I was planning on taking off between Thanksgiving and Christmas, but man, so much was going on. I had this fantastic interview with a consultant, andrew McAfee, and we've got a treat in store for you In fact, three separate treats over the next little while. I've decided it'll be best to separate my interview with Andrew McAfee into three parts, because it's well, let's call it nutrient rich, let's put it that way nutrient rich. We're gonna present you with part one of the interview more than enough to chew on until we meet again. And I wanna say also, I have been in touch with some listeners to the podcast and I am excited by the possibility of having an interview with somebody in the Southern hemisphere who may be willing to tell their story coming up. We'll see how that develops A new contact in Europe that may have some exciting things for us, as well as a couple of questions that have been put forward for things that we haven't covered so far in the podcast. So I'm looking forward to all of that. But today this is a conversation between two experienced EMF consultants. So if you feel you're not quite tracking the conversation and it is pretty quick moving and please don't worry Please don't worry If you're not familiar with all the problems caused by the electric power grid, and so very many of our EMF issues in the home are from the electric power grid.

Keith Cutter: 3:22

In fact, of the common four that we look at, three out of the four come from the power grid. 100% of the electric fields, 100% of the magnetic fields and 100% of the dirty electricity it all comes from the electric grid and that's primarily what we're talking about today with Andrew. So if you're not up to speed on all that, I have plenty of free resources to help you. May I recommend the first eight episodes of the podcast, as well as the two episodes on earthing, case studies number three and four, the episode on uninhabitable land, the interview with Eric Windheim and, of course, the episode on the electric vehicle agenda. All of these will help you.

Keith Cutter: 4:21

If you're new to how should I put this? How we're making our land increasingly uninhabitable with electric service. What Right Electric service? Didn't you know the word service is new speak. It is new speak for the 21st century, for involuntary exposure to the different types of harmful manmade electromagnetic radiation. Really, electric service, cell phone service, wi-fi service, yeah, you get the idea. In this strange new world in which we live, we're in the process of decreation destroying our access to the health and life giving electromagnetic environment created for us with one that we find to be more convenient, more amusing and more stimulating. And, yes, I would offer life training rather than nourishing and life giving. It is in part one alone of my conversation with Andrew McAfee. We're going to cover 20, let's call them mini topics, like how he and his wife both became sick from non-native EMF at the same time.

Keith Cutter: 6:00

Well, I won't spoil it. I will say it wasn't from RF, it wasn't from radio frequency radiation, and you'll hear Andrew talking about what it's like to become a whack job. Yes, those are his words. What is he talking about? Whack job? Yes, those are his words. Whack job in the eyes of the world. How the national electric code is not a health or a medical code, how we're defiling the earth, that there's currently no containment on the contamination, and much, much more.

Keith Cutter: 6:45

Please, if you have a heart to help us in producing and distributing this type of content, you can become a financial supporter of the show. The link is in the description. Writing a review, especially on Apple podcast, is a help. But, most important, please pray that our efforts here will be a blessing to many. Here we go. Part one of my conversation with Andrew McAfee. My guest today is Andrew McAfee. Andrew is an author, an inventor and an EMF consultant. He had a whole nother life and a whole nother career before that. I'm gonna let Andrew talk about that, what caused his departure from his earlier career, and we're gonna talk all about EMF tracing today. Andrew, welcome.

Andrew McAfee: 7:48

Thank you, Keith. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me.

Keith Cutter: 7:51

You bet. So let's go ahead and start with what happened back in 2001. What you were doing for a living then and what changed things for you 2001,.

Andrew McAfee: 8:06

My wife and I were fresh, new married and having a great time, and we moved into a brand new home we had bought together and within six months we had both come down with some very interesting symptoms that were quantified fatigue and dark circles under their eyes and the feeling worse between five and seven PM, and these were not usual at all. In fact, when we were sleeping in bed our elbows would touch and there would be a spark, and I've had these symptoms of like something was crawling on my face in the middle of the night. Long story short, we called in a specialist, charles Keane from Florida. He just so happened to be driving from Florida to New York the next day after my wife had called him and he came up and he found all kinds of wiring problems in our house. You know code violations Things are put like nine volts in our bed and there's high magnetic fields in our living room and he coached our electrician to fix all those things and by that time we had become electrically sensitive, basically allergic to electricity.

Andrew McAfee: 9:15

And you know we couldn't use cell phones because every time we even turn on a cell phone I would get a massive headache and I'd be driving by a cell phone tower and I could feel the energy go by me. So I was putting two and two together. It's like our bodies have rejected this. And I was principal horn of the North Carolina Symphony at the time and you know, driving on the riding on the bus and everything, I could feel everyone else's cell phone and I would get just worse and worse headaches and I would be wearing shielding stuff over my head. So I started to look more and more weird, like I'm a whack job and I would wear a cap during rehearsal. So the stigma was growing and growing about. You know, andrew's got this problem with electric and cell phones and stuff, so it just started. That's where the rift started.

Keith Cutter: 10:08

All right. So the exposure caused both you and your wife to develop sensitivities. Is that correct? That is correct. So are you of the opinion that this propensity to be electrically sensitive is something that we're born with, or some people are more sensitive than others, or that it is a type of poisoning? Since both of you experienced it and have not been electrically sensitive in the past, what are your thoughts about that?

Andrew McAfee: 10:42

Electricity definitely is a manmade construct and it's not natural and it is a poison and we all are electrically sensitive to some point and I believe there's a threshold that is crossed where we become heightened in our perception. The perception level increases when the bacteria or whatever in our body learns that we're too stupid to remove ourselves from this poison or this and it starts to talk to us and help us.

Keith Cutter: 11:18

Oh, that's an interesting way to put it. Yeah, so you were moving into a brand new home, you were newly married and you had every hope that this was going to be a dream home. It turned out to be anything but so. For people who are listening, they may be a little bit confused. How can a house be built and go through the various inspections that are required in different municipalities, and yet be a dangerous place for people?

Andrew McAfee: 11:49

The fire code, the NEC, the National Electrical Code, is for insurance companies, so the house doesn't burn down. It's not a health code, not a medical code. So the inspectors that look at wiring problems, for one, aren't looking for electromagnetic fields, they're looking at things that you know why would the house burn down. So it's not enough. Even if you had a really great inspector and, two, the depth that they go into at least on our house, of course, did not pick up the code violations that did exist. So you'd be lucky to get a good inspection to begin with.

Keith Cutter: 12:34

So this is not to condemn any electricians or any inspectors or whatnot. They all operate within certain workloads and they've each had their own background and training and whatnot. But it is quite possible to have a home go through the inspection process and yet contain violations to the code, correct.

Andrew McAfee: 13:01

Absolutely Most of the homes that are built right now are done by non-electricians. They work for an electrician and the supervising electrician under their umbrella does not have the time to go through and check all the work and they don't do a final diagnostic in the panels, like I've described in EMF Tracing 1 or 2, my book, how to find if there are inappropriate wiring connections that cause excessive electrical magnetic fields.

Keith Cutter: 13:34

And it can be really really simple. Right, it can be as simple as if you have two separate branch circuits that are going through the same box. The normal thing to do when you have wires within a box is you join all the white ones together, but if these are two independent branch circuits, that isn't the right thing to do, and so in an electrical inspection they're not looking inside of every single box. Would that be fair to say?

Andrew McAfee: 14:05

That's a great description, well said, and you're absolutely right. Even me wiring homes. It takes a lot of effort and you have to put some tape on different circuits to make sure that when you're coming into a box you separate all the wires out, so if anybody came after you they would not assume what the box is about. And it just takes a lot of time and a lot of effort to make sure it doesn't happen and mistakes happen. We're all human and we all get tired at the end of the day.

Keith Cutter: 14:32

Right, but if we could urge people to do one thing, it might be to at least have the magnetic fields in a home checked out to make sure there aren't any wiring errors that are very easy to make which cause a huge increase in magnetic fields. There's much more that can be done, but I wish everybody would do that. What are your thoughts?

Andrew McAfee: 14:58

on that you know you pretty much right on the head of the nail. If magnetic fields are very easily traced or measured with a fairly inexpensive machine you know $100, $150. And that's not expensive. There are cheaper ones out there. But if you just walk through the home with your gauss meters what is called for measuring magnetic fields and you turn lights on and off, you plug something in and unplug it and use measure in the middle of the room. If there is a significant elevation you have a wiring problem.

Keith Cutter: 15:34

Right, right, right, by the way, the and there are places in the house that are I would use the word uninhabitable. I mean, it may be a beautiful home and it may look like something out of architectural digest, but there can be places in the home that are uninhabitable. You wouldn't want to spend a great deal of time in them, and that is if everything is in fact wired correctly. So, for example, I had a client and the only spot left when they had when their child was born was underneath the main electric panel in the house, and that seemed like a logical place to put the bassinet. So do you want to talk about maybe some places in the home that are, by nature, not where you want to be spending a lot of time?

Andrew McAfee: 16:22

Absolutely, that's the number one place is the main service. The electrical panels, the breaker panels, in my opinion, cannot be in a sleeping. Why do you do want them anywhere near where you're going to be spending any amount of time, you know, more than an hour a day? I had one client in Charlotte, north Carolina, that the electrical service was at the head of her bed and is a beautiful home and she would not move the bed to the opposite wall and she wanted that service moved and $25,000 later.

Keith Cutter: 17:02

Well, that's interesting. I have a client right now who was interested in looking at the possibility of moving the panel for similar reasons. And you know, when you move a panel you end up extending all of the circuits that were terminating there. So, by their nature, when you do those extensions, you're going to have not as bad a magnetic field, but it is going to be higher than in the rest of the house still, would you think?

Andrew McAfee: 17:35

Yeah, it's just you need to design a house without the breaker panel or the meter or whatever anywhere near your sleeping areas period, and if you are in a home, you got to get your bed out of there.

Keith Cutter: 17:49

Right, right, so let's talk about different kinds of service, the orientation and the configuration of how the electric service is presented. So where I live right now, there are a lot of homes in the country and it's quite normal to have your own transformer that's providing the service for your home, and then there may be a combination meter breaker and then service to the home. There are also places, typically in more populated areas, where there'll be a three wire overhead and there are many places where the service will come in from a transformer that's either dedicated or shared with others and it comes into the disconnect meter on the wall of the home and the breaker panel on the other side. So can we talk about the relative strengths and merits of sort of those three configurations?

Andrew McAfee: 19:08

Yes, I believe that it's best configuration to have your main disconnect switch at the meter. So wherever your meter is located, your electric meter, you want the same cabinet, the same box to also have your main shutoff valve, your main disconnect for the whole home. If you get that all in that same cabinet, then that is the place that code says that you have to stick your return current wire, your neutral, into the earth. So that is the one and only place that will get the neutral to earth connection. Then, after that it becomes a four wire system. The grounding conductor is then created, the equipment grounding conductor, and then that will go to all your your breakers and then you can have all your equipment grounding conductors on its own bus bar. You can take an amp clamp and clip over that one wire that comes from the meter to that panel and you can test all of your grounding equipment immediately.

Andrew McAfee: 20:15

And any changes that are done to the house or any upgrades in equipment you can chest immediately Is there a new problem? Or if over time something starts to arc or connect or touch, you can immediately diagnose the entire grounding system of house Once you have your meter disconnect combo, moving it off. The house provides a number of other options. Adding an isolation transformer, your own transformer between the meter and your home, is what I'm going to for a lot of my clients that are severely electrically sensitive and really want to isolate themselves from the problems of the grid.

Keith Cutter: 20:57

Let's talk about a service where you have a drop messenger, so it's a three wire rather than four wire, coming into, in a lot of cases, right into the home. Can we discuss that for a little bit? What are your thoughts with regard to nuisance current and that kind of an arrangement, versus the ideal that we were talking about before?

Andrew McAfee: 21:27

Well, the problem with the three wire overhead service drop is the neutral. The return current wire is a bare stranded aluminum conductor along with some stainless steel. It's basically the support wire for the other hot conductors which are insulated. So the neutral gets drilled into the side of the house on a loop and if you have a loom I'm siding your screwed because literally the neutral is screwed into the side of the wall, into the metal, and hopefully you have some sort of insulating bushing that keeps all that separate. But the stress on the neutral is big, branches falling and all that kind of stuff. It's a real problem with having open neutrals or just a neutral, intermittent neutral. Making a bad contact is a little.

Andrew McAfee: 22:20

Crimps on the neutral get worn over time because of the stress of this, this line and with the modern loads creating lots of harmonics and everything the neutral is burdened. Sometimes there's more current on the neutral than actually the hot conductor. So the neutral is really underserved and overstressed. The crimps is my real big problem. When you have the overhead surface wires, oftentimes four or even five crimps where the wires get pressed together between the mast head, the service point. There's the first crimp and sometimes it could be two crimps up there and then it goes back to the pole and there's boom, boom, boom, a number of crimps over there and where everything is bonded together. So underground services or service laterals in my opinion are better from that perspective. But then you have the other problem of actually the wires in the earth being corroded or the other issues. But in general I prefer underground versus overhead.

Keith Cutter: 23:20

OK, let's go back to something you said a few minutes ago about the, the grounding electrode that needs to be inserted, and can we talk about why that exists and what what function it provides?

Andrew McAfee: 23:37

Yes, the grounding electrode is basically a ground rod, a piece of metal that stuck into the earth, and there are three main reasons why the neutral is stuck into the earth. So the reason for the neutral to be grounded is to preserve the power company's transformers. That's the first reason. The neutral, the return current wire, being stuck into earth, puts current into the earth. So that means that there is less current on the return wires up on the power pole and in the transformer. It doesn't heat up as much and isn't stress as much and all the connections in the grid is is not fatigued as much. It basically the the terminology is the transformers are less fatigued.

Andrew McAfee: 24:32

So using the earth as a return current pathways is the number one reason why it stuck into the earth. The second one is a voltage stability, which is a very mysterious, mysterious beast. When things are earth or grounded, mysterious things happened. You then plug in to this massive ocean of conductive pathways. So now you have energized planet earth with these wires and brought these two systems to be one. Where is the reference point now? Where is a zero for voltage? Voltage is a comparison between two points. What two points are you going to measure now that you've stuck a wire into the earth and you're energizing your reference point. So I can go on, and on which direction would you like to go?

Keith Cutter: 25:38

Well, what you mentioned was one of the primary reasons we have a grounding electrode at the service is to it's for the protection of the infrastructure you mentioned there's also a function that. So that would be, and you didn't mention that it's for lightning as well, correct, well?

Andrew McAfee: 26:04

I didn't even mention it because it's ridiculous, because it's so obvious. Of course lightning goes to earth. It's the only thing that goes to earth and stays in the earth. So I often just leave it off the topic. But yes, that's the one and only reason why you would ever earth anything. It's because you want lightning to dissipate. That's the only reason why I think the grid should be grounded.

Keith Cutter: 26:26

The rest of the reasons it should be ungrounded so when you have to conduct well, I guess first of all we should say when electrical services provided to a home, it is not like the electricity is consumed at the home. The conductors go both ways, so in a very real sense the electrical forces are being utilized within the home. But there is this notion of return current, where it needs to go back to the point of distribution, like your local substation. Is that correct?

Andrew McAfee: 27:07

Yes, this is a mind-boggling phenomenon. You have current. There's the same amount of current on the hot as there is the return neutral period. There's no electron loss there.

Keith Cutter: 27:23

All right. So we've got a couple of things that I would like to talk about. First, electricity is not all pure and good and righteous as it comes from, as we're using it in our homes, and it's fundamentally different than the electricity we find in life. Let's put that aside just for a moment. What we were talking about is return current that goes back to the point of distribution like a substation, and it is very curious how all of this works.

Keith Cutter: 27:56

But when you have two conductors, sort of you could say one outbound and one inbound, and they are close together, then just because they are close together they have that effect of minimizing the magnetic field. So there are provisions in the National Electric Code that require conductors to be in the same cable raceway etc. Probably not for reduction of magnetic field, but maybe that's just a happy coincidence there. But I guess what I wanted to mention is we're returning current in North America through the Earth, and when you return current through the Earth you're creating a magnetic field because you're separating that from the hot conductor, if you will. So that's something that you and your neighbors and everybody else gets to enjoy, so to speak, is an increased alternating current magnetic field coming from the Earth. Can you talk about that for a little bit please?

Andrew McAfee: 29:13

Yes, and in my presentations the power grid problem I show graphics that try to describe this Basically. Our electrical system, our grid system, does not have any boundaries anymore and that is the problem. We need to bring it back, to contain it. Right now it has no containment. It is going everywhere and, for the reasons that you just described, whenever charges move, current flows, charges are moving, a magnetic field is created.

Andrew McAfee: 29:51

The best way to cancel that magnetic field is run the exact same amount of current in the opposite direction, as close as you can. So two wires one side by side, one going this way and one coming back. That's how, the best way you can cancel fields. Unfortunately, the grid is grounded everywhere, so that means one of the pathways is through the Earth and the Earth has infinite pathways, so there's no way to cancel that magnetic field. So, yes, we have a magnetic field over the entire surface in the Earth as well, but especially around power lines, and we can get into voltage later. But you're exactly right, there is a massive amount of current flowing in the Earth. In fact, more is returning through the Earth than on the wires back to the substation and it goes very deep into the Earth and takes all paths.

Keith Cutter: 30:50

More is returning through the Earth than through the conductors. I think that is such an important thing to be aware of, because we are polluting our entire environment in that way, really, I think, without people being aware. So let's talk about different types of electricity. So I had a previous career on an ambulance, working on an ambulance, and so when people are at dire straits, oftentimes we would hook them up to a cardiac monitor, and I think everybody has seen in a movie or somewhere, if not through their work or whatever, this beautiful waveform that's associated with the electrical charge is going on in the human heart, and I think, similarly, people are familiar with the idea of an EEG, where you get to look at the electrical activities coming from the brain, and I think it's important to talk about how the fact that these electrical impulses are part and parcel of being alive and this type of electricity is fundamentally different than the type of electricity we have in our homes. Would you agree with that?

Andrew McAfee: 32:16

Absolutely. We have direct current in our bodies, naturally occurring, and the naturally occurring Earth magnetic fields is all direct current. So people that try to say, well, there's 25,000 Gauss, whatever magnetic fields on Earth, and that's not hard against what was DC and the current inside of our DC and we have introduced AC, manmade alternate and current into the system.

Keith Cutter: 32:41

Yes, yes. So let's talk a little bit about what is part of the creation. What are the electrical fields that are part of the creation? So do we have a natural electric field in the earth? If we put aside all the power stations and all Wi-Fi, cell phone, bluetooth, everything, all the man-made energies, is there a naturally occurring electric field? Is there a naturally occurring magnetic field? And what are these things?

Keith Cutter: 33:14

Like Arthur Firstenberg in his book the Invisible Rainbow, characterizes the natural electromagnetic magnetic environment that we have as the surface of the earth, and the people in the United States don't seem to be as aware of this as maybe people in other countries. But the surface of the earth is actually negatively charged and if you go up into the heavens you know the ionosphere is positively charged. So this is huge voltage gradient that we are born into. This is our birthright, I suppose, and it's enormous, like 280,000 volts voltage potential between the ionosphere and the surface of the earth. So we're living in this vertically polarized direct current magnetic field, a very strong direct current magnetic field. So when you introduce an alternating current, the interesting thing about alternating current is one moment it is positive and the next moment it's negative, and that's switching in North America 60 times per second.

Keith Cutter: 34:32

So I often think about what is that like for living things who were created to live in this kind of a electromagnetic environment?

Keith Cutter: 34:43

That is static. It varies, you know, particularly with thunderstorms and things like that, but it's always negatively charged on the earth, positively charged in the heavens, and then there is a magnetic field. Everybody knows that when you take a compass and you see that the needle points in a particular direction, and then we add to that a sort of a variable magnetic field, not that it reverses polarity, but that it strengthens and it weakens according to a frequency or a group of frequencies called the Schumann resonance. So all of that is my understanding and I'd like to get your thoughts on that, andrew, please. But that's my understanding of what is a part of the creation, what we are accustomed to in our physiology, and that when we accept the conveniences, the amusements, the stimulations that come from our electrical infrastructure and television and radio and all that we might be about in our homes, just having that electric service, if you will, puts you in a very different environment electromagnetically. Feel free to disagree with anything I've said, I just want to hear your thoughts on that.

Andrew McAfee: 36:11

No, you're absolutely right, and I think the most important distinction that I try to draw for people is we're just interested in what changes in the last 150 years to the norm. So I think it's been somewhat accurately measured with at least the microwave radiation with cell phones and things like that is at least one quadrillion times more than our background exposures. Now it gets very complex. Are you saying that it's this certain frequency band of this or this or that, cosmic versus x-ray and all this kind of stuff? But let's just keep it simple. The type of energy that we are now creating in the last 150 years is drastically different than whatever it was before then, and to ask human beings to evolve in 150 years to the exposures that we now have is just it's unreal.

Keith Cutter: 37:13

Well said, and have there been any hints that there's a mismatch, that there's a problem, and how far back do those hints go in your opinion?

Andrew McAfee: 37:26

Well, the first and Berg's book is the first place that I found that there were actually diagnostics being made of people medically when they were first put out. The power lines of these people are having the same amount of symptoms that we have right now. Electrical sensitivity, they had a name for it and pretty much it was taken over by Freudian psychology. They made it, they clicked and dragged it over to you must be a basketase. You're hysterical and it became a mental thing that we could drug you to suppress all of your complaints. So very quickly stop being an environmental disease and became a personal, internal, whatever you want to call it mental problem.

Keith Cutter: 38:10

Yeah, isn't that interesting. I sometimes think, if you're going to have a debate and you get to set the terms of the debate in other words, you get to control the words that are used during the debate and we're going to use only these words, well, you've all but one. And so we had the first instance that I'm aware of, what was called neurostenia, and then we have, let's see, microwave sickness, I think maybe radio wave sickness, and then it got all rebranded to no, no, no, no. It's nothing in the environment, it's the individual the problem. You're too sensitive, you're really sensitive. You're hypers. Yeah, that's it. You're electrohypersensitive. This is you. It's not us. It's not a problem for humanity, it's just something that some marginal people experience. What do you think about that?

Andrew McAfee: 39:13

That's very, very well said and thank you for explaining it so clearly to people that it's so easy to fall into the trap that we are the problem. The human, the people are the problem and most people just take it for granted even though cell phones have been really really used for 20, 25 years, actively, 24, 7 dependency, as it's all of a sudden put into the category electricity. It's so essential you cannot be questioned.

Keith Cutter: 39:47

Yeah, I think another thing that firstenberg represents and I hope I'm speaking accurately on his behalf, but he talks about electrical sensitivity as the condition under which an individual realizes that the health issues that they are experiencing are connected to non-native EMF.

Andrew McAfee: 40:13

That's a great way to put it. I often believe that the bacteria is really running the show. We were farmers for mitochondria. We feed them and we get pleasure in return. Cravings and everything are just expressions of bacteria saying I want this and that. And then, of course, things get more intense with our headaches and other types of symptomology when we're around certain things. I love to always draw the analogy for people that carbon monoxide, co, has no sense, flavor anything, it's imperceptible. But some people will get headaches and other symptoms by being poisoned by it. So if we didn't pay attention to those headaches, we would never have. Same thing with electrical, magnetic frequencies is we have something that's invisible, imperceptible, until a certain point is reached and the body becomes more sensitive to wake us up. Dude, you are getting fried here. You better change your environment.

Keith Cutter: 41:25

Yeah, interesting. I love that you chose carbon monoxide as an example. So in my former career, of course, I had to learn carbon monoxide poisoning and how you treat people outside of a hospital environment and then what definitive care constitutes. And carbon monoxide, I think, is an excellent example because in a room pool of people, if you start pumping in carbon monoxide, they are all going to fall at some point, but some will fall sooner than others. And what is really like this electromagnetic poisoning that we're experiencing in the world, certainly in North America, is that you can't do anything for a carbon monoxide victim, in my experience, before you first get them out of exposure to carbon monoxide. Beautifully said.

Keith Cutter: 42:19

Well, what did you think? Did you enjoy part one? Do you get why I'm dividing this into several parts? I think you will by the end. And, speaking of several parts, in the next part, interview with Andrew, we're going to talk about how do you get better. We're going to talk about building resilience, comorbidity factors like mold, lime and Epstein bar. How come it's impossible to detox when you're in a high EMF environment? What kind of people EMF consultants can best help, particularly with these tricky power line issues, current versus voltage, finding a helpful electrician. More, much, much more. We're looking forward to seeing you at the next time when we get into that interview and, as I mentioned, if you have a heart to help us in producing and distributing this type of content, you can consider becoming a financial supporter of the show. The link is in the description. Writing a review, especially the Apple Podcast, is a help Most important. Please pray that our efforts here would be a blessing to many. See you next time.

Gwyneth: 43:45

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