A Conversation with Andrew McAfee Part 3

EMF consultant, author and inventor Andrew McAfee joins Keith Cutter to talk about serious, no-nonsense EMF assessment and remediation.

 We live in a created world. We are created beings -- electromagnetic in nature. For many years now we’ve been trading the healing and nurturing electromagnetic environment we were given for an electromagnetic environment toxic to life and health. Why? Knowingly or unknowingly we’ve traded health, life and stewardship of all life on earth  for convenience, amusement and stimulation. Some bargain, huh?

You don’t have to go along with this. If you want to take a precautionary approach to your family’s exposure to harmful man-made electromagnetic radiation or if you MUST, as a life priority, reduce exposure – you’re in the right place. Let’s bring-back an idea from the past – make your home a castle. One that defends the occupants, in this case, from threats in the electromagnetic realm.

Today we’re listening to the third and final portion of my recent conversation with Andrew McAfee – Independent EMF Consultant, Author and Inventor. We’ll be discussing sleep sanctuaries, inhabitable vs. uninhabitable areas, the evolution of EMF consciousness in personal and family harmony, contact current as ionizing radiation, pristine vs. in-home earthing, two of Andrew’s inventions called the NCB and NCB pro.

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Buckle-up! Part three of my recent conversation with Andrew McAfee – here we go

Andrew's work is available here:  https://homeemftracing.com/

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

So this is the slope of the evolution of a person's consciousness. When they first become symptomatical, their husband says there's no way in hell. Or their wife says there's no way in hell, we're moving. And then, after two years of enduring a hell, they go okay, what can we do to make this better? And we do as much as we possibly can. You know, spend as much, a whole bunch of money, and then, after three years, more of that. This is not working. We spent all this money on this house and it's not working. Now we have to move. So you spent a certain amount of money to teach yourself of the severity of the problem. This is not going away. So if they would have spent that $50,000 or $100,000 upfront, they would have gotten a lot more.

Speaker 1: 0:50

But it's always an evolution of a consciousness. Nobody is going to go oh, electromagnetic field, that's a problem, let's move. No, it's the last thing that's going to happen and it's all about what it takes for the person to want to leave the matrix. Nobody wants to leave the matrix. Everybody loves the gadgets, everybody loves the conveniences that we have, and nobody wants to wake up to realize oh, my God, I live in a poisoned world and I have to really fundamentally change the way I live and the way I think. Nobody wants to do that.

Speaker 2: 1:59

Hi, this is Keith Cutter with EMFRemedycom, host of the EMF Remedy podcast, where we help you take control of the harmful manmade electromagnetic environment in your home. We live in a created world. We are created beings electromagnetic in nature. Yes, that's right, Electromagnetic in nature. For many years now we've been trading the healing and nurturing electromagnetic environment we were given for an electromagnetic environment toxic to life and health. Why, knowingly or unknowingly, we've traded health, life and stewardship of all life on Earth for convenience, amusement and stimulation. Some bargain, huh? You don't have to go along with this. If you want to take a precautionary approach to your family's exposure to harmful manmade electromagnetic radiation, or if you must, as a life priority, reduce exposure, you're in the right place. Let's bring back an old idea Make your home a castle, one that defends the occupants, in this case, from threats in the electromagnetic realm.

Speaker 2: 3:48

Today we're listening to the third and final portion of my recent conversation with Andrew McAfee, himself suffering from electromagnetic poisoning. He is an independent EMF consultant, an author and inventor. I'll put his contact information in the notes. We'll be discussing sleep sanctuaries in habitable versus uninhabitable areas, the evolution of EMF consciousness. How's that In personal and family harmony, what it takes to go from a beginning understanding of EMF and the health hazards and whatnot to a profitable and productive EMF secure home for some people, and it depends on your level of commitment, of course. Contact current as ionizing radiation how about that? That's right. Why does Andrew consider contact current as a form of ionizing radiation? That's the one we're supposed to be afraid of, right and then pristine versus in-home earthing, one of my favorite topics. There are currently two of Andrew's inventions called the NCB and the NCB Pro.

Speaker 2: 5:27

Please, if you have a heart to help us in producing and distributing this type of content, consider becoming a financial supporter of the show. The link is in the description. Writing a review, especially on Apple Podcast, is a help. It's important, though. Please pray that our efforts here would be a blessing to many. Buckle up Part three of my recent conversation with Andrew McAfee. Here we go. Let's talk a little bit about sleep sanctuary. I mean I like the term. There's a certain alliteration in that and of course, I think everybody resonates with the idea that we need to protect the time are sort of daily Sabbath, when our bodies are resting and recovering from whatever insults during the day. So we want to protect our sleep. What's your idea of an effective sleep sanctuary and, in particular, do you think it should include RF shielding and, if so, what are the kind of parameters of that in your mind?

Speaker 1: 6:46

Yep, so for modern living, I'm just going to deal with the general populace, which everybody will have RF as a problem. Of course, you've already dealt with your internal sources, so I'm aiming to talk about that. You have no internal sources of Wi-Fi, bluetooth, whatever it is, security systems, the cameras, whatever is putting Wi-Fi. You've already got that done. Now we're only done with exterior sources Fabrics, fabrics and foam, microwave absorbing materials is the way to go.

Speaker 1: 7:19

Nothing that needs grounding. If you have metallic canopies or metallic shielding on the walls, it's all going to need to be bonded to your electrical system. And then you have just opened up the big can of worms. And then you have to watch all my presentations how to use the NCB to handle all of that and avoid all of that if you possibly can. Using the oil is a little iffy. If you do it right in the walls as a part of your breathable barrier, you can get a lot of RF blocking, but this requires that you use MC cable. You have to have no electric field in the walls in order to be able to use a vapor barrier that's conductive. And then, of course, the light has to be pitch black in your sleeping area and no power, Absolutely zero electricity in that environment. Now some people go what do you mean If you can turn off all the power around your sleeping area? Do it. If you cannot and you need to pull in for whatever reason.

Speaker 1: 8:21

You need CPAP or you need air or whatever it is you have to have, everything has to have electric field protection. There are extension cords that have electrical protection, but then you serve an appliance and the appliance is not protected an electric field or a magnetic field. So if you have to have a heater in a zone, that heater is going to be all the way across the floor and, of course, whatever powers, it has to be protected the electric fields contain. And you can come up with some other screens, literally like mosquito screens that are whatever you want to bond it or ground it to your electric system that can pull an electric field away. But now you're starting to deal with the devil.

Speaker 1: 9:01

So if you can possibly have a central air that controls your environment and you don't need any power on in your room and I have battery fans that can go like three days on one charge, or do Walt fans, and in the summertime we have the air blowing on us and it feels great. So there's no power on around us. And it's very, very possible to do this with a modern home, unless you live in a condor or something and there's a Wi-Fi router on the other side of your wall and then you have to go to extreme measures. There's always a solution for extreme measures, but that's not the situation you want to be in and you always have to have the conversation. This is long term. Do I need to move?

Speaker 2: 9:40

Right. And that gets to the idea of are there uninhabitable places? Question mark. And for different people the answer to that may be different. So, for example, for some people an uninhabitable place may be a place without a shopping mall, it may be a place without access to the arts, it might be a place where the crime rate is low, it might be a place that has good access to their jobs, whatnot. But when you begin to bring in this idea of we are living in an unnatural electromagnetic environment because of the grid and the electrical infrastructure, but in addition millimeter wave radiation, rf radiation and whatnot. So the question is how much can you achieve in a polluted environment when you realize that your problem is harmful, manmade electromagnetic radiation and you're trying to get away from that? Can you live in downtown New York City and have experience of pristine environment in your sleep sanctuary? What is reasonable? Do you have some thoughts on this?

Speaker 1: 10:55

Well you're. Now you're talking about the sliding scale of convenience. The extreme convenience is living in downtown New York because of job, the location of whatever you're going to do, and you want that extreme convenience. So what am I willing to give up with, that extreme convenience? Now you move the sliding scale of convenience to the middle how far you willing to commute, how much more of an environment and you have the worst convenience. You know you're living out in the country, whatever it is, and you commute. It's horrible.

Speaker 1: 11:26

So this is the the slope of the evolution of a person's consciousness. When they first become symptom symptom, you know their husband says there's no way in hell, or their wife says there's no way in hell, we're moving and then, after two years of enduring a hell, they go OK, what can we do to make this better? And we do as much as we possibly can. You know, spend as much as a whole bunch of money and then, after three years, more of that. This is not working. We spent all this money on this house and it's not working. Now we have to move. So you spent a certain amount of money to teach yourself of the severity of the problem. This is not going away. So if they would have spent that 50 or $100,000 upfront, they would have gotten a lot more.

Speaker 1: 12:16

But it's always an evolution of consciousness. Nobody is going to go. Electromagnetic field that's a problem. Let's move. No, right, it's the last thing that's going to happen. It's all about what it takes for the person to want to leave the matrix. Nobody wants to leave the matrix. Everybody loves the gadgets, everybody loves the conveniences that we have. Then nobody wants to wake up to realize oh my God, I live in a poisoned world and I have to really fundamentally change the way I live and the way I think. Nobody wants to do that.

Speaker 2: 12:52

Yeah, and when I, when I talk to people who have traveled that because I traveled that, that route and I was brought to my knees, man, I couldn't work for the first time in my entire life. So things get pretty serious at that point in time. And and I have interviews with Sharon Rowan Shannon Rowan, the author of Wifi Refugee she experienced something similar. And then recently, julia Lupine, the author of Under a Rock, and so I know what that feels like to get to a point where that that becomes the priority. And I agree with you, I might be able to see someone that I think, oh, man, it would.

Speaker 2: 13:33

They would be much better off living In a pristine area, but it's hard to tell people that you might not be able to. You cannot actually achieve a pristine EMF environment when you're living in a big city, and that's a bitter pill for for many people. But I think, as EMF consultants, we shouldn't be promising people more than than we can deliver, and it's all about measurable changes. You know, if, if whoever that you're working with is not giving you initial measurements, performing a remediation, re-measuring and and getting you to where you'd like to be, I think that's all all. It's all about that and what would be your comments on that?

Speaker 1: 14:24

There's so much people that can. You know what you can control in your life is amazing. How you use your cell phone, how you use Wi-Fi, how you jack in with cables or with ethernet versus using Wi-Fi or Bluetooth, there's an amazing amount of exposure that you can with. You know you don't have to. You don't have to use all those things. So when you're in your sanctuary in your house, whatever it is, or in your apartment condo in New York, yeah, you're going to do a massive amount of shielding on your windows. You know drapes. If you have to put a plate on the wall in order to block somebody else's Wi-Fi router coming through, you're going to do it. You're going to do all these things, if that's really. If you know you have to live there for two years, you're going to buckle down. You're going to get it done.

Speaker 1: 15:09

But most people are going to realize for themselves what they can do and what they cannot, and I believe my responsibility is to get people choices and options and not tell them what they have to do. If you choose to stay here, here's what you can do to get the numbers down to a certain point. In my experience, that is not going to be enough. In my experience dealing with electric sensitive people, you need 0.3 volts or less at night for electric field, 0.2 milligos or lower, and if you're building is constantly 0.5 or above, it's never going to work for you. But if you can get all your Wi-Fi out and your electric field down and that's the only source for you, maybe you can get to your two years out of this. But the cost is going to be you're going to have blah, blah, blah. It's up to you.

Speaker 2: 15:57

whatever you choose to do, Well, it's been a reasonably long interview here. Let's start heading towards an end to this discussion, but on the way out I'd really like to talk about something that we kind of alluded to a little bit in our discussion before about moving electrons. So there's a lot of talk about this electromagnetic spectrum where you have non-ionizing radiation and ionizing radiation, and from DC all the way up to ultraviolet A, that's considered to be non-ionizing radiation and then above that is ionizing radiation and we're taught I think that's the right word, taught to fear the ionizing radiation but not fear the non-ionizing radiation. But you have some interesting observations about something called contact current. So I wonder if you could lead us through contact current and how that might relate to this issue of a more harmful than possibly previously imagined exposure that can be right in our own home and might involve earthing that people are doing for health purposes.

Speaker 1: 17:34

So the definition of ionizing is basically the energy to remove an electron or charge so moving charges is current. So what amount of energy would move a charge off? An atom is basically current. So if we have current flowing, things are being ionized in my book, in my opinion.

Speaker 1: 18:01

So if you have current flowing through your body, that means that there are electrons or charged, whatever moving, and those are very helpful, essential things in the body and they have a reason why they're on enzymes. There are reasons why there's. You know, things work the way they do in our body and just like ripping things around in your body isn't a good thing, you know, free radical damage, blah, blah, blah. So contact current is basically two points on your body there's an in and then the energy is going to leave your body. So if you have two contact points let's say your hand and your foot, and there's a voltage that is pushing here and there's a different voltage at your foot, there's a differential, there's a different like pressure zone, so things will push or pull between those two points.

Speaker 1: 18:55

So EPRI found that literally any amount of current that is able to transfer between those two points is leukaemia and cancer causing, and that's the level of damage of ripping electrons or charges in solution. In liquids it could be positive charges moving as well. In metals it's only the electrons that move because the positives are fixed in the lattice. It's leukaemia and cancer causing.

Speaker 1: 19:25

So we can get into details and I do that in my contact current versus body voltage book and showing you that the skin is basically the resistance to current flow and when the skin gets wet it goes to zero and all your less of the resistance inside the body, which is about two or 300 ohms, which is not much your skin can have. 10 mega ohms I mean just a massive amount of blocking. The other thing that breaks a skin is high frequencies. Something above 1.7 kilohertz is going to break the skin and then the energy can go internal. So pretty much all current that is existing on grinding systems always has higher frequencies. So if you attach yourself to that in two points, you're very likely to have current going through you, which I make the case is ionizing.

Speaker 2: 20:20

Right, right. So you've done something about that and I think, first of all, I want to make clear I think you and I would probably agree that the best place to earth would be in a pristine environment, but some people want to have earthing products, earthing sheets, you know whatnot and try that at home. I know I tried it at home and it made me sick, so I have a sensitivity and I can know whether things are good for me or not just by that. But you've invented a device that can block the flow of current from things like earthing sheets, for example. Can you talk about that?

Speaker 1: 21:06

Right, the NCB. This is the current blocker. This is the plug version. Basically, you just plug it into an outlet and then it has those little ground problem here that connects to the grounding system of your home. And then you would plug your either grounding matter, your bed sheet or whatever in here to the grounding problem and then that provides a pathway for the charges to dissipate or to leave your body, and that presupposes that you have a charge around your bed.

Speaker 1: 21:33

So the first problem is your electric field. So how do we get rid of electric fields? And my opinion is you got to turn off the power. You have to either rewire everything in MC cables to suppress the electric field or turn off the power. You can do that with individual switches on the wall that turns off the power, or go to your breaker panel and turn off the breaker to your sleeping area, not to your whole house. So once you get rid of the electric field, then you don't have the initial problem as much.

Speaker 1: 21:59

Sometimes you're still going to have it, just because the neutral is always live with other loads. So if you're going to use a grounding mat, you've got to have some protection, because this provides a resistance to the flow of current, which is the killer. Current's the killer. So there's also a dial inside this. If you open up and the latest models have a little tap you can go right in with your screwdriver and adjust the dial, and there's videos on how to find. The sweet spot is you want to be able to bleed away the electric field but not have current go through your body, and there's a sweet spot how to do that with the NCB.

Speaker 2: 22:35

All right, fantastic, and can we? I don't know if you have one here. I happen to have one. I purchased this to be used at my home. Very good, this is the NCB Pro. This is not to do with grounding for your body. This has to do with if you have nuisance current, say on a well pump or something like that. And can you talk about what this device does a little bit?

Speaker 1: 23:04

Exactly Any two points on the earth is going to have a voltage gradient, so current is going to flow between them because the power grid is energizing the entire earth. So you have one ground rod or two grounds, whatever it is at a meter, that's fine, there's one. You don't have any secondary earth reference point in your home, even if it's an AC unit on a concrete slab there's two to five milliamps of current that will come up from the earth through that concrete and through the AC. But well pumps are notorious.

Speaker 1: 23:37

One time I measured 200 milliamps coming up from a well pump back to the service. So that line is going to have 200 milliamps of current flowing on. That creates a certain field. Now let's say that line comes right near your bed and you have this magnetic field going right by your head. How are you going to get rid of it? Well, that's why I developed the NCB Pro. As you stick this on the ground in conductor four, that well pump, it blocks that continuous 365 current. But if there were a fault it activates and gets your breaker in the trip.

Speaker 2: 24:09

Just a couple of things. You mentioned the study that came from the EPRI, that's the Electric Power Research Institute, I believe. Is that correct? Yes and again, it was virtually any measurable current flowing through the body. And then we were talking about getting earthing within your house. You mentioned that the first thing you need to do is get out of electric fields. Is one good way that people can measure that, with a body voltage meter or something else?

Speaker 1: 24:43

It's very difficult to get an accurate measurement with a body voltage meter. The premise is voltage is not the criterion we need to use for medical safety, but since it's so cheap, the voltage meter works by comparing one point to another. That's all it is, so one point could be 120 volts, right?

Speaker 1: 25:10

And if you put the other point, on another 120 volt, then it's the same voltage, so it's zero. It's zero between 120 volts, it's the same voltage between them, and the power grid has destroyed our grounding system by raising its voltage up and the earth around our home. So how are you going to find some healthy? Because the problem is the body has a barrier. The skin contains a different voltage gradient inside the skin. So even if we're burned on a wire and you go up and you one put one hand on a wire and you're ungranted, yeah, you won't die, you'll just hang on the wire because your whole body raised to the same voltage and there's no voltage gradient but two hands on it, then you're going to die because then it's going to go through your body anyway.

Speaker 1: 25:56

I don't want to get lost in the weeds here. If you're going to use voltage as the criterion, two millivolts is enough of a gradient to cause two microamps of current through the body and that would exceed the EPRI number. So if you're going to use voltage, two milliamps excuse me, two millivolts is too much. But if you have zero volts, that's even more dangerous because that means that you are at the exact same voltage as whatever you're measuring. That means your body has become energized to the point to where you're actually at the same voltage as your grounding system. That's actually quite dangerous. So it's now like, oh my God, zero is not good, two millivolts is not good, one millivolts is.

Speaker 2: 26:47

So all of this does point to very, very difficult to achieve, no electric field influence on your body, and very difficult to know when you've got there. Would you say the NFA 1000 would be a better way of ascertaining electric fields, or would that still be inadequate in your opinion?

Speaker 1: 27:15

The NFA 1000, in my opinion, is the best electric field way to assess what the environment is. Grounding does not bring anything to a zero potential. Grounding does not bring anything to a zero potential. So if you drive a ground rod in the yard, that doesn't mean that you're all of a sudden absolved of all wrongdoing.

Speaker 2: 27:40

Grounding is only ever relative to your point of reference and, as you pointed out now in a couple of different ways, we can't really know what that is, and since we're polluting, since we're corrupting the earth itself, and we'll be doing more so with this electric vehicle agenda and other things it's going to get worse, not better.

Speaker 1: 28:06

And that's why I want current to be the measure. Do we have current moving through the body? And at Taste Education? Don't have two points of contact on your body. If you have one point of contact, you'll have a voltage on your body, but the most important part is not allow current to get through your body.

Speaker 2: 28:32

All right, is there anything else that you would like to mention, that I haven't asked about, that you'd like to share before we finish this interview?

Speaker 1: 28:43

I think I got my most important point in and the presentations, the power grid presentations. Let me just do a quick screenshot to show people how to find those. They're on my website, homiemftracing, and by going there and going to the shop page you will see the selections on the left side of the page. How to find the power grid problem presentations power grid presentations and this is the best things that I've produced. There's part one, part two and part three. They're the best ways to actually learn about all of the things we've been talking about today Almost no, a lot of things we can talk about today. I try to graphically describe the voltage problem, the grid problem, the earth current problem, so people can try to appreciate the gravity of what we're dealing here and then that'll help them with the extrication of the matrix.

Speaker 2: 29:52

Maybe that'll be our second interview which we could talk about the extrication from the matrix one day.

Speaker 1: 29:58

It smells good.

Speaker 2: 30:00

So I just want to say you know what I'm grateful to God that you have decided to share what you've learned from this adversity, from having to change careers and having this affect your health and your wife's health, and when, through the help of people like Carl Riley and Charles Keane and other people that you document in your book, and then you began working on your own and I'm just grateful for you putting all this down in a way that other people can access it. And I just want to encourage people who may be suffering, or the rare people that are out there who want to remain proactive, to really consider nuisance current and contact current and really driving your environment down to the lowest points possible. And I like what Andrew said about convenience and that being a real driver to our exposure. So thanks for what you've done in those videos and in writing these books and the inventions that you've come up with, and thanks for being on the show. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 31:21

Really appreciate your help, keith, getting the word out, and the message that I want everyone to get is embrace this experience because in my opinion. It is our salvation, it is our freedom and is. Those that are awakening right now are the ones that are helping everyone else become more alive, more healthy, more loving future generations, and it's the sanest thing that we can do and it's the most healthiest thing we can do. We're not the sick ones. We're the ones that are helping everyone become more healthy.

Speaker 2: 32:02

All right. Thanks very much, thank you.

Speaker 3: 32:17

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