#107 Unseen, Unheard Interview Part 4 with Gary Lee Duncan -- How do you live?

Everyone wants to know how Gary lives. When I asked Gary Lee Duncan this question I was surprised and delighted with his answer.

Chapters

• 0:00 Living Through the Arts
• 12:53 Sustainable Living Through Artistic Nomadism

Transcript

Gary Lee Duncan: 0:00

working too hard in the building industry was actually lessening the quality of human existence. By engaging in the arts, I'm improving it, and so the first answer to your question how does Gary live? Is I'm a dancer. I dance, which is very strange, because I grew up so inhibited that I was actually rigid as a telephone pole most of the time, until one day, all of a sudden, I started doing this, and so what I do is spend all of the time I can, both winter and summer, dancing.

Gweneth: 0:51

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Keith Cutter: 1:07

So, Gary, between the two of us, I've been thinking about this. You and I together have been dealing with electromagnetic poisoning for a combined total of 69 years.

Keith Cutter: 1:19

My friend that's a long time. You had a successful career as a cabinetmaker to the stars, as I like to say, my first career was in high tech. Oh, I worked for like 16 years between Apple Computer and Hewlett Packard. I was foolishly trying to make the world a better place with computers. You know, as a young man I just had no idea that I was actually helping to build the gilded cage we're all living in right now. I didn't realize it at the time. But you know, when I finally had to leave high tech, I didn't really know why at the time I didn't know at all but it coincided perfectly with things like 3G and beginning to move data wirelessly and just the sharp increase in RF radiation exposures in that industry.

Keith Cutter: 2:18

So by God's grace I got a second chance at life. I moved our young family out to the middle of nowhere about 50 miles from the Canadian border. This county had over 1,850 square miles of mountains and lakes and just one cell phone tower at that time. Now that's still one too many, but with mountainous terrain if you can get in the shadow of that beam you know life was still great. Back then I still didn't know it was synthetic EMF, the root of all my problems. Second career in healthcare, served my local community on an ambulance, loved the work, made about 5% and like 1, 20th of what I did in high tech. Somehow God provided enough to raise my family in that rural area.

Gweneth: 3:12

We were very happy for a number of years, nothing stays the same.

Keith Cutter: 3:17

Our chief officer man. He had a thing for high tech Thought. It would be grand if we could have ambulance crews on the internet while we drove around in this mountainous county. So he installed MDTs, mobile data terminals and all the ambulances and the antenna was mounted three inches about behind my back, like right behind the captain's seat, rather than, you know, at least putting that antenna away from personnel outside the cab. That would have been great. So I think that's what ended my second career. I still didn't know what it was, but man I was. I was functionally disabled. I was in so much pain I couldn't think straight. You know insomnia, cardiac dysrhythmia, hypertensive crisis, just all kinds of oh what do you call it?

Keith Cutter: 4:12

tinnitus, just a lot of bad stuff going on, unable to work at all and for the first time in my life I couldn't provide for my family Still didn't know. My problems were rooted in the replacement of the natural electromagnetic environment with a synthetic version. So here I am, selling all my possessions just to live. We were even on food stamps at one point for about six months. Finally learned again, by God's grace. My problem was synthetic EMF. When I learned that, that was the turning point of my life, I was misdiagnosed, mistreated for 33 years medically before I found out what the real problem was. So I learned EMF assessment and remediation. My physician, he became the first client of.

Keith Cutter: 5:03

EMF Remedy, I started helping others with the same. So that's what I'm still doing. I love it. I'm not fit for any other work. Really I couldn't work in an office where people demand you carry these radiation-emitting devices on your body and live in work in environments filled with Wi-Fi radiation. But I'm happy. I set aside about a day a week to help out with a local raw milk dairy operation.

Keith Cutter: 5:34

We get by. We live a simple life helping others. I should also mention for the last 30 years I've always had secondary interests. So woodworking man love woodworking. I used to have a small company. You know we didn't make any money but we had this little product line, cedar Outdoor Furniture, and it was really good stuff and I had fun making that for people. Photography really enjoyed that. Shot weddings and portraits 20 years professionally. First camera was a wooden view camera, if you can believe that Jewelry making wife and I really enjoyed making silver jewelry. Hers, I would say, was prettier, mine sold better. We get by.

Keith Cutter: 6:21

I wish I knew when I was a young man there are better choices than working for evil corporations. And you know, in terms of my disability I got worse and worse and worse over, like I say, 33 years Got to a point where I was almost completely disabled. My wife thought I was either going to die or she was going to be my permanent care, full-time caregiver for the rest of our lives. That all changed once I got the synthetic EMF cleaned up. I'll never carry a cell phone, I will never work in an office with Wi-Fi or do anything stupid like that, and I have to be careful with my exposures. It still makes me sick, but being able to live in a pristine environment, I regenerate pretty quickly. Anyway, that's just a very brief synopsis, gary. People are going to want to know how do you live?

Gary Lee Duncan: 7:22

Now, if you go to a Navajo and ask them that question, the first thing they're going to do is start talking to you about their pottery or their silversmithing and you look at them and you go, oh no, like where's your house and how do you make your money? And the Navajo will look at you like you're crazy and start talking about their art. Why, well, that's a really ancient culture and and ours is very young and it's about transcendence and you learn about this quick as an electrosensitive or you don't survive this malady. What I found out early because of my career in building was I could work my butt off, get really good at what I do, and what would happen is all my clients got a divorce and miserable and ran out of money and ended up in bankruptcy. The bottom fell out of the building industry and I wound up playing music and I'd work my ass off and at the end of the night, everybody if I did a good job, everybody's good and happy night. Everybody. If I did a good job, everybody's good and happy. When I look back at that, I realized that working too hard in the building industry was actually lessening the quality of human existence. By engaging in the arts.

Gary Lee Duncan: 8:40

I'm improving it, and so the first answer to your question how does Gary live? Is I'm a dancer. I dance, which is very strange because I grew up so inhibited that I was actually rigid as a telephone pole most of the time, until one day, all of a sudden, I started doing this, and so what I do is spend all of the time I can, both winter and summer, dancing, and this is extremely contagious. I'm really good at it and the techniques that I've developed are very contagious to the crowd. I'll start dancing all by myself and pretty soon the whole room's dancing and the band loves it, and when you leave at the end of the evening, you have improved the human condition. It's apparent on everyone's face. I'm also a musician. I toured as a singer-songwriter for nine years and I still play music, although not prolifically. It's a lot of work. I also am a writer and a poet.

Gary Lee Duncan: 9:54

What enables me to do all of those things is that I live in a quasi-permanent location outside of Moab during the winter. This is a converted 14-foot Nomad travel trailer that I inherited in the cabinet industry in Hollywood, in Hollywood, moved to Colorado completely stripped, super insulated water catchment roof, off-grid, solar, electrical. It has everything in it that you need to live. I've lived in that for 35 years. We used to travel that around because the Moab Desert gets hotter than hell in the summer. I would flee with. We call these microhabitats, these trailers we've converted and we've done quite a few of them. We would take them to the mountains, pull them to the mountains and do land restoration work on mining claims, ranches, second home private property owners, some of the we worked with Colorado State Department of Parks, colorado Division of Wildlife, blm Forest Service doing restoration of the wild. But pulling these things around got real old. And so what I do for summers now, because I still do the traveling for half of the year that it's hot in the Moab Desert.

Gary Lee Duncan: 11:05

I have a 1987 four-wheel drive Dodge pickup whose name is Geneva and because I am an accomplished woodworker, I stripped the pickup bed off the back of it and built a barrel-roofed plywood. You would call it a camper or recreational vehicle. And because there's all this vacant wood space on the exterior of it and we need public education, the whole thing also serves as a billboard. I call it my four-wheel drive billboard because it's got all the posters about electrosensitization, the awards for the Mustang Ranch with National Endowment for the Arts, commentary poetry, you know, whatever comes to mind. I had a lot of my photography to it. So it's artwork and it's very interesting. And when you park this thing you learn a lot about education and the human psyche.

Gary Lee Duncan: 12:04

I'll park this thing in town somewhere with all this information and a little real estate box on it with pamphlets about electro sensitization in the truck, and then go inside and have a cup of coffee in a window where I can watch the truck and sure as shoot. Here they come and the curious of mind will read everything on the outside of that truck. Now, if I tried to give them that information, hand it to them, they'd just turn their noses up and walk away, but left to their own devices. Their curiosity will lead them into this and so does the artwork and they will read everything on there. And pretty soon they find the real estate box and go wow, here's information I could take, including my contact information. I can take this with me and find more about it when I get home.

Gary Lee Duncan: 12:53

And so the way I live is I'm nomadic During the summer. I'm fairly stationary during the winter. Sometimes I snowbird into the Anza Borrego Desert and places like that, where it's warmer than Moab, moab's actually fairly cold during the winter, and in the process of doing that, I do my artwork, I do the writing for electro-sensitization, communication and education with people, and that, over a 35-year period of time, has developed into a quite rich and wonderful lifestyle that I wouldn't trade for anything. I've been doing this particular work for 30 years, the land steward work for 20 years and I have never in my life had a career that lasted that long as an architect, as a cabinetmaker, any of those previous careers five years at the max. Gary's board on to something else, but this is about life. This is about saving the planet. This is about integrating everything that you've been given in the other part of your life and making a lifestyle out of it. So that's how Gary lives.

Gweneth: 14:13

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