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123: Remembering Arthur Firstenberg: His Insights, Influence and our Conversations
In this episode, I take time to reflect on the life and legacy of Arthur Firstenberg, author of The Invisible Rainbow and one of the earliest voices to sound the alarm about the biological effects of synthetic electromagnetic fields. I share how his work shaped my own understanding and approach, and I revisit our only recorded conversation—originally aired in Episode #68—now presented without the original preface so you can hear just the exchange between Arthur and me. We discuss ionizing radiation as a trigger for EHS, the dangers of assuming non-ionizing radiation is harmless, and the critical importance of finding a safe place to live.
Arthur’s message was clear: wireless technology is incompatible with life, and avoidance isn’t just reasonable—it’s essential.
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Arthur Furstenberg didn't just write the Invisible Rainbow, he lived it. In this episode I reflect on his influence, our conversations and the only interview we ever recorded. We'll talk about ionizing radiation as a trigger for EHS, ionizing Radiation as a Trigger for EHS, the myth of harmless, non-ionizing radiation exposure and what it means to find a truly safe place to live. His passing marks the end of a chapter, but the work continues Coming up.
Keith Cutter:Hi, this is Keith Cutter with emfremedycom, host of the EMF Remedy podcast. We are here to teach you all about tactical avoidance. That's the umbrella under which everything we teach and we talk about on this podcast falls. Do you realize that? Tactical avoidance and mindset, I suppose so. Whether you're an individual and you're wanting to take a precautionary approach to your personal or familial exposure to harmful man-made electromagnetic radiation, or it's gone beyond that you've become sensitized now it's a life priority, or whether, like me, you're serving others with EMF assessment and remediation, this is the place for you and what it is all about is tactical avoidance.
Keith Cutter:So I recently learned of Arthur Furstenberg's passing through Safe Tech International. It's a real loss for me personally and for everyone who's trying to understand and address the growing harms of this modern electromagnetic environment, the modern electroplague. I would say I want to take a moment to reflect on the legacy of Arthur Furstenberg. In this episode I'll share a few personal thoughts, talk about the conversations I had with Arthur over the years and replay our recorded interview from episode 68, but this time without the original preface, so you won't hear. You'll just hear the conversation between Arthur and me. You'll just hear the conversation between Arthur and me. Arthur was a pioneer in understanding the biological effects of electromagnetic fields. His work gave context to my understanding of what.
Keith Cutter:I now call the electroplague the wave of synthetic EMF challenging all life on earth today, no pun intended, that wave of synthetic EMF. I had the privilege of speaking with Arthur on more than one occasion. I benefited greatly from those conversations. His book, the Invisible Rainbow, was a turning point for me, absolutely essential reading in my view. If I had to sum up in a single sentence, I would say this about the Invisible Rainbow, about the invisible rainbow. Synthetic electrical forces are inherently incompatible with life and the path we're on holds limitless potential for harm. That's my synopsis, the highest level of synopsis of the book. We did one recorded interview and that aired February 7th 2024, just over a year before his passing. You can find that, as I mentioned above, in episode 68. And, like I say, I'm going to play it again here at the end, stripped away of any commentary, so you can just hear directly from Arthur and me.
Keith Cutter:Now, both Arthur and I I don't know if you know about this began experiencing the effects of electromagnetic exposure back in the 80s, but he was ahead of me in identifying the cause. For him, the trouble started while attending the University of California Irvine School of Medicine, between 78 and 82. That's when he was exposed to ionizing radiation yeah, you heard that right ionizing radiation which triggered what we now call electromagnetic hypersensitivity or EHS. Now I want to pause for a second and say something about that term. In one of his writings called An Autumn's Tale, arthur said this quote Electromagnetic hypersensitivity, or EHS, is a term that allows doctors to pretend that electricity is harmless and that radiation does not injure their patients. It allows people who have discovered they can feel electricity and radiation to pretend that there is something wrong with them and that everyone else does not feel it. It allows environmentalists to pretend that the vanishing of birds and wildlife and the collapse of the Earth's life support system are due to something else. And it allows people to use cell phones to pretend they do not feel the radiation and that their insomnia, headaches, joint pains, digestive problems, panic attacks, memory loss, tinnitus, nosebleeds, high blood pressure, heart failure, neurological problems and diabetes are caused by something else. End quote. And I think he's right that one term, electromagnetic hypersensitivity, lets everyone off the hook. It gives doctors a way to ignore the harm, lets environmentalists shift the blame for ecological collapse, and allows everyday users to pretend their insomnia, high blood pressure or sudden tinnitus has nothing to do with the radiation they're carrying in their pocket or purse.
Keith Cutter:Arthur reminded us that the body is electrical and the body is electrical and that natural electromagnetic fields like the Earth's direct current fields and the Schumann resonances are part of how life functions. Brain waves, the nervous system, even mitochondrial function they're all electrical in nature. But modern electromagnetic fields, especially wireless, interfere with those systems. And just because non-ionizing radiation doesn't knock electrons off atoms doesn't mean it's harmless. The science is there, we're just ignoring it. Now most of my clients become sensitized, they tell me, through wireless exposure or electrical infrastructure. But ionizing radiation as a trigger, that's not unheard of.
Keith Cutter:In fact, just last month, I started working with a new client who, according to what I was told, began experiencing sensitivities immediately after such an exposure. My first conversation and you know what it makes me think of parenthetically here, does anybody have this collective memory of watching old TV shows and they would talk about, you know, cancer victims having radiation quote therapy and once you've had your lifetime dose you can't go anymore. That's what it feels like. Only I think it's a combination of both. Anyway, modern electromagnetic fields, especially wireless, interfere with those systems.
Keith Cutter:My first conversation with Arthur was back in 2018. I reached out after reading the Invisible Rainbow and, to my surprise, he was willing to speak with me. We talked about our shared experience of suffering and about the work that I was now doing as an independent EMF consultant, helping others find safer environments and reduce their exposures. Our first talk centered on land selection. He didn't mention it in his book. He didn't mention it in his book and I was just dying to know. You know, with his knowledge, surely he had some insights that I didn't Arthur believed.
Keith Cutter:His survival, by the way, he told me, had a lot to do with the unique geology where he lived and he favored something called Magnotoleryx. You can look that up if you're interested in learning more about it. It's basically studying how soil resists or conducts electrical current. I prefer to focus on terrain features and practical assessment, but I'm open to the idea that resistivity might influence how RF scatters or, unfortunately, even amplify less known issues like conducted emissions and that actually became the focus of our final discussion in the fall of 2024, conducted emissions into Arthur's home. Arthur saw the world through the lens of advocacy for all life. I tend to see it through the lens of tactical avoidance. My work is about practical steps assessing, identifying exposures and helping families remediate what they can.
Keith Cutter:Arthur had unmatched knowledge but very little hands-on experience with remediation, and I'm no scientist, but I learned a lot from him, especially how to communicate these ideas to people who are just waking up to the reality of EMF exposure. It's funny, but it took me a few years to realize and not just with Arthur that doctors, scientists and researchers often know little or nothing about EMF assessment and remediation, or about choosing the right place to live and remediation, or about choosing the right place to live. They may understand the biology or the physics or even the policy side, but when it comes to identifying real-world exposures, making meaningful changes or finding a truly safe place to call home, that's usually outside their wheelhouse. I just ran into this yesterday, by the way a physician who put together a pretty good list of things that people should do to reduce their exposure and I added a couple of comments to that and I think it was a pretty good list, but it was the equivalent of you know, sort of the medical advice of eat, you know, healthy food, drink plenty of water and get exercise, in other words, things everybody can do but not at all tuned to what's wrong with that particular person. And the problem with generic advice on how to reduce exposure is you can go from wireless to wired and you can shield your smart meter and you can turn your phone on airplane mode at night and you may still have a completely uninhabitable home, by the way, right. So anyway, like I say, I just ran into this situation yesterday. It was a surprise to me understanding biology, physics, whatever policy, but not so much real-world exposures how to mitigate, but not so much real world exposures how to mitigate.
Keith Cutter:So our interview covered, which I'm about to play here in just a few minutes, covered a lot of ground. Here's a quick breakdown three segments the first segment we really focused on the natural electromagnetic environment and its disruption. We talk about direct current fields, which I would say are the fields of life, the Schumann resonances and how the shift to artificial alternating current and RF fields disrupts everything from brain waves to cell metabolism. The second segment, roughly, is about historical and scientific evidence of harm, including the emergence of neurasthenia in the 1800s with the telegraph, samuel Milham's work linking electrification to modern disease and Alan Frey's research showing blood-brain barrier disruption from microwave radiation. The third and last segment was on wireless technology, as I'll just say existential threat. I think everybody understands what that is right.
Keith Cutter:Arthur makes the case that wireless equals radiation period and with thousands of satellites overhead and millions more planned. The Earth itself is being saturated. His message is clear Eliminate wireless and return to wired infrastructure. We can't afford wireless. Living things can't afford wireless. We've got to turn from this path that we're on.
Keith Cutter:So Arthur didn't use computers, so our interview had to be done by wired landline. This is why I don't know of any Arthur interviews where he's on camera. It was over telephone and telephone quality can be poor and he had some flu-like symptoms. Quality can be poor and he had some flu-like symptoms. So I did everything that I could to clean it up afterwards, painstakingly, enhancing the audio before publishing. I'll play that in just a moment. In the end, what I took from Arthur's work, and what I hope you'll hear in our conversation, is that this issue isn't just about individual symptoms or isolated sensitivities. It's about survival. It's about acknowledging that the electrical world we've built is hostile to life and deciding deliberately to chart another course.
Keith Cutter:Okay, I'm going to sign off now, even though the rest of the interview is going to be. The interview is going to be upcoming. But first pray with me that my efforts here on this podcast, on Substack, on YouTube, in my latest article in the Weston A Price Journal, my interviews, virtual coaching, teaching of new consultants and in-home assessment and remediation will be a blessing to many. Keith Cutter emfremedycom. See you next time. My guest today is Arthur Furstenberg. He's the author of the Invisible Rainbow A History of Electricity and Life. Arthur graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Cornell with a degree in mathematics and attended UC Irvine's School of Medicine from 1978 through 82. School of Medicine from 1978 through 82. Injury by x-ray overdose cut short his medical career. For 40 years he's been a researcher, consultant and lecturer on the health and environmental effects of electromagnetic radiation, as well as a practitioner of several healing arts. Arthur, welcome to the EMF Remedy Podcast.
Arthur Firstenberg:Thank you for having me.
Keith Cutter:I like the title of your book, invisible Rainbow, because there is something more, much more than the colors of the rainbow we can see that comprise what is sometimes called the electromagnetic spectrum. I have here with me right now two common dictionaries, two different publishers, one published in the late 70s, the other in the late 80s common dictionaries. When I look up the word light as a noun, there are two definitions. The first definition offers a range of wavelengths within the electromagnetic spectrum covering the rainbow everyone is familiar with, from red through orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo through violet visible light, what we can see with our eyes. The second definition of light, which may surprise some people, is the entire electromagnetic spectrum which, honestly, is so vast I find it difficult to describe the breadth of it. Is this the invisible rainbow your book is about?
Arthur Firstenberg:Basically, yes, electromagnetic spectrum that runs our universe, infinitely greater than the visible spectrum that we can see with our eyes, 20 or 30 orders of magnitude greater than the tiny amount of spectrum between red and violet.
Keith Cutter:When we look at, I guess, what I'll call the legitimate forms of electromagnetic radiation, those associated with life, those that we've had on Earth for millennia. I think of things like the Schumann resonance. It has a very long wavelength, a very low frequency compared to light.
Arthur Firstenberg:It's the resonant frequency of the Earth. So, yes, that's the size of those waves, or the size of the Earth.
Keith Cutter:And then the wavelength of light itself. We're talking about much less than the width of a piece of paper.
Arthur Firstenberg:Yes indeed.
Keith Cutter:So that's how sort of well, that's one picture of how vast this electromagnetic is.
Arthur Firstenberg:And then we have M-arrays, which are much shorter, that come from all over outer space.
Keith Cutter:So can you give us a feeling for what are the legitimate forms, what are the enduring forms of electromagnetic radiation that we've had on the Earth for millennia?
Arthur Firstenberg:Well, we have a majority of what we have concentrated in the visible and infrared spectrum that comes from the sun. We have present very tiny amounts of what we now call radio waves, of which the microwave spectrum is a large part, Compared to the light spectrum and the infrared spectrum and the ultraviolet spectrum. Not very much of it comes from the sun and stars, and almost none of it comes from the Earth, the lower frequencies are generated by lightning.
Arthur Firstenberg:The very low components of the lightning spectrum is amplified again by the resonance of the earth, the size of 32. That's cycles per second. They're much shorter in infrared and visible light or even much shorter than that. They're measured in angstroms. But we have the whole spectrum here. Just compared to what comes from visible light from the sun, it's not very powerful. So the very low frequencies's not very powerful, so the very low frequencies are much more powerful and again we have that largely from lightning and thunderstorms.
Keith Cutter:So the lightning energizes the Earth itself. Is that correct?
Arthur Firstenberg:Well, it's part of the global electrical circuit. Yes, we have electricity flowing through the ionosphere above us. It's a whole circuit. It circulates through the sky, through the portion of the sky called the ionosphere, and down to the earth on ions, atmospheric ions, which actually that electric circuit travels through our bodies and into the earth and beneath our feet, through the earth and back up to the sky during thunderstorms, on lightning stroke. So it's a whole electromagnetic environment that we live in that actually our bodies run on. Our nervous system is electrical in nature. Our acupuncture meridians are electrical in nature. The cells of our body communicate with one another in the electromagnetic spectrum.
Arthur Firstenberg:It's a part of reality that is not very much paid attention to by mainstream science. It runs the universe. In physics we have four fundamental forces, two of which only operate in atomic nuclei, and the rest of the universe runs on gravity and electricity. We study that in physics, but it's mostly ignored in the sciences that give us our technology. It's ignored in medicine. It's ignored in chemists. It's even ignored in a very large part by astronomers, even though when you study physics those are the two forces that you deal with electromagnetism and gravity. Gravity is what holds the universe together. Electromagnetism is what makes it alive.
Keith Cutter:Do you see a correlation between the electromagnetic environment, a correlation between the electromagnetic environment between the earth and the sky and what we see in people and other animals, where we have a voltage gradient between heaven and earth and also a voltage gradient, for example, between the sole of our foot and the top of our head?
Arthur Firstenberg:It's in miniature what goes on on the planet. The voltage gradient between the soles of our feet and the top of our head is measured in millivolts. The voltage gradient between the surface of the Earth and the ionosphere measured in volts. It's about 130 volts per meter on average in fair weather and that reverses polarity in thunderstorms. That's what completes the circuit of the Earth.
Arthur Firstenberg:So that is a normal part of the environment for us is to dwell in that space between that electric field with, as you say, the sky is positive with respect to the Earth, the tops of our head, the top of our head is positive with respect to the soles of our feet. We're part of that circuit.
Keith Cutter:And I guess what I would like to get out there as well is when we talk about 130 volts per meter, that's a very strong electric field, but it is fundamentally different than what we think of when we're talking about electric fields, say with regard to EMF remediation, because that's alternating current electricity with please correct me if I'm wrong I don't think really exists in nature the way you know, as we have it in our commercial implementation of electric power.
Arthur Firstenberg:That is correct. We do not live with it. The Earth is not AC, it's basically DC. We live in a DC magnetic field of the Earth. We live in a DC electric field between Earth and sky, in a DC electric field between Earth and sky. However, people often make the mistake of thinking that just because the Earth is DC, that artificial DC is not harmful. Ac is foreign to our bodies it's like we don't even. But our cells recognize variations in the DC environment. So this was discovered a couple of centuries ago, around the year 1800, that even a one-volt electric battery has demonstrable effects on biology. You put a one-volt visual difference to your tongue, you could taste it. You put it to your eye, you could see it. It produces flashes of light and we pretend that it doesn't affect us at all.
Keith Cutter:I for 10 years lived in an off-grid environment so we made our own electricity. And it was during the time that I lived off-grid and partially, I would argue, because of the power from off-grid living that culminated my 30 plus years of suffering from electromagnetic poisoning I don't prefer the term EHS, but anyway, as part of that whole journey I did try to then switch DC only existence, so no alternating current in the home, just DC. And.
Keith Cutter:I agree personally with and can relate personally to what you're saying, that we do make this assumption that somehow, since DC is really all we observe in life, that somehow our implementation of it for power utilization is not necessarily, not necessarily a good idea. But getting back to what we were talking about with regard to what's natural in the earth, we have this electric field, a direct current electric field, which we live in. We see this voltage gradient in people and in animals and it's direct current, as you mentioned. We also see that in plants and trees. Is that that correct?
Arthur Firstenberg:That's absolutely correct. Yeah, and trees being very tall compared to us a larger voltage gradient between their tops and bottoms than we do and in fact that's probably a factor in attracting rain out of clouds, as I say in my book, because ordinary rain carries a positive charge and it's attracted down to the Earth by the Earth's negative charge. Down to the earth by the earth's negative charge, and since trees stick up high, they attract rain out of the clouds into the earth. And when you cut down forests, you reduce rain, not only because of the reduction in evaporation, but because of the reduction in electrical attraction.
Keith Cutter:So we have this electric field. That is normal and is natural. It's direct current in nature. We also have a very a collection of DC magnetic fields that are fluctuating and those are part of what is normal to the Earth. Is that correct? That's correct, yes. And so the very obvious, very strong magnetic field you can see with a compass.
Arthur Firstenberg:Yes, absolutely, and a lot of animals use that magnetic field to navigate Marine animals, turtles and fish birds use the Earth's magnetic field to navigate through the air. Insects, bees use it to some extent to find sources of food.
Keith Cutter:So we have what's normal and natural direct current electric fields, direct current strong magnetic field that doesn't vary, and then the Schumann resonances that do vary.
Arthur Firstenberg:The magnetic field does vary over the surface of the earth. Depending on where you live, the direction of the magnitude of the Earth's magnetic field is different.
Keith Cutter:Yes, yes, I'm sorry, I meant in one place, Correct yes. Yeah it, I meant in one place, correct yes.
Arthur Firstenberg:Yeah, it doesn't vary, but the Schumann resonance is Vary all the time.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, and it is not like an alternating current magnetic field where in one moment north is north and the next moment north is south and south is north and that reverses in North America 60 times a second. It isn't like that. It's a variation in the field strength.
Arthur Firstenberg:In other, words the field strength, but it's a constant 8 hertz and 14 hertz and 20 hertz. Those frequencies bathe all of life on Earth and have since the beginning of the Earth billions of years ago, and we evolved with them and our brain waves are attuned to the Schumann resonances dividing point between alpha and beta waves. What is it? Alpha is 8 to 14 Hertz. 8 Hertz is the first Q1 resonance and 14 Hertz is the second Q1 resonance and above that is called beta waves. That's the state of alertness, and alpha is a state of calmness and sleep and meditation. And this has been found to be true of basically all vertebrate organisms, all mammals, frogs and lizards.
Arthur Firstenberg:You measure them and their brainwaves are also almost the same frequencies as ours. They're bounded by the first two Shuman residences. But bad things happen when you, as the Shuman residences, you alter your brain waves, you do things to your brain. You can put people in a trance with the proper frequencies that are close enough to the Shimon resonances. We're doing all sorts of things to our minds and our bodies with our computers and our cell phones that we're not even aware of. It's a subconscious level because we're messing with the frequencies that our nervous system depends on.
Keith Cutter:Does the human brain have a frequency? Following response I believe some experiments were done Marino where you could observe the brain with EEG and then introduce a modulated RF signal. That was a little bit.
Arthur Firstenberg:Yeah, the brain responds instantaneously. I was in touch in the late 1990s. I was in touch in the late 1990s. I was in touch with a psychologist in Massachusetts I forget what his name was who was doing some experiments monitoring the EEG of people when they were on their computers. This was before wireless computers. Wireless computers didn't start until about 2001. He saw that the pattern of the electroencephalogram when somebody turned on their computer strongly resembled a trance state, so that the frequencies that people and we've forgotten this, that everybody's concerned about the RF radiation for wireless technology we have forgotten that ordinary computer screens emit powerful electromagnetic frequencies, emits powerful, less magnetic frequencies, not deliberately wireless so that they don't radiate in the far field through space necessarily. But you're in their field. Did they put you in a trance state? He proved that.
Keith Cutter:Great, great point. So, ken, is there any reason to believe, even if one has disabled what the fcc would call intentional radiators you know, transmitters within a computer for wi-fi or for bluetooth or or any other intentional emission even if you've eliminated those in a computational device, a computer, is there any reason to believe that the computer itself is harmless?
Arthur Firstenberg:No, in fact we used to have an organization called the EMR Alliance back in the 1980s, back in the 1980s, and it, uh, it disappeared. Around 1998, 1999, the beginning of the wireless revolution. It was created because of the harm from. It was created to address the harm from from power lines, the harm from power lines and computers. Computers which came into our lives in 1977. Earlier than that, for businesses, like newspapers, but personal computers came into our lives in 1977. The EMR Alliance was formed in the 1980s to address the problems from computers and paraloids.
Keith Cutter:I believe after the introduction in 1977 of the personal computer that for the first time the incidence of asthma increased. It had been decreasing slowly over time. Is that right?
Arthur Firstenberg:The incidence of asthma reversed its trend. It had been decreasing year over time. Is that right? The incidence of asthma reversed its trend. It had been decreasing year after year for decades and it started to rise in that year.
Keith Cutter:People wouldn't normally associate asthma with anything to do with the electromagnetic spectrum.
Arthur Firstenberg:Yeah, it's not something that is widely talked about, but that's one of the first effects. Actually, back in the 18th century, when electricity was used only for therapeutic purposes, electro therapy became when electricity was first harnessed as static electricity, before we had DC or AC, people learned how to store static electricity in jars of water and administer them to patients, and one of the undesirable effects that was noticed in some people is it gave them asthmatic attacks. This has been known for centuries.
Keith Cutter:And the practitioners that administered the electricity were called electricians. Is that right, correct? And one of the founding fathers, so to speak, the signer of the Declaration of Independence, became, if we want to use this terminology, electrically sensitive From use of just static electricity in those days. Is that right?
Arthur Firstenberg:You're talking about Benjamin Franklin.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, yeah.
Arthur Firstenberg:Yeah, he did not himself recognize it, but he had health problems from the time he started experimenting with electricity.
Keith Cutter:I believe he said in a letter to a friend that he can't tolerate it in the least amount any longer.
Arthur Firstenberg:Oh yeah, yeah, I think he did.
Keith Cutter:So we had these early experiments with static electricity, which is, again, it's a direct current occurring in nature, but they were storing it in these latent jars and there was this idea that electricity was the vital force. It is what am animates our flesh. Electrical forces are inseparable from life and living right, like when your ekg shows. Ecg shows no activity, you're not living right.
Arthur Firstenberg:That's correct. That's how they monitor whether a patient has departed or not, for brain waves too. You hook up hospital patients with electrodes to an EEG and an EKG and with those stop, you're no longer alive. I say nowadays electricity is the life force. It was thought to be the life force, or related to the life force, even by Isaac Newton, and I think there's evidence that that's so. This is what animates the stars, it's what animates the earth and the solar system, it's what goes through our bodies, it regulates all our life's processes it's present when we live.
Keith Cutter:It's not present when we die. We see it not only in the heart and the brain but at the site. We see it voltage gradient develop at the site of an injury. Becker did some work on non-union of bones. When bones didn't heal normally, he applied a small voltage. Some of the bones began to heal. Some of the bones began to heal.
Arthur Firstenberg:So there is this that is used nowadays in practically every hospital to stimulate bone healing.
Keith Cutter:So there's this intimate connection between electricity, dc electricity and life. And then we begin to do commercial implementations of technologies that rely on electricity, and I would say every one of them has been without regard for life or health. But let's start back in the 19th century with the telegraph. You would think it's not a big deal. They're just sending messages from one place or another. But when they installed the telegraph lines, were there problems? Did people get sick?
Arthur Firstenberg:Oh yes, it was a disease that was called neurasthenia. It was first written about the 1860s and the symptoms of it were pretty much identical to the symptoms that people who call themselves electrically sensitive nowadays complain of. And that was the first. Telegraph systems were invented in the 1840s and then during the 1850s and 1860s millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the world and suddenly there was this new disease called neurasthenia that was written about, specialized in by doctors and nobody could find a physical cause for it.
Arthur Firstenberg:Of course they weren't looking at electricity. One of the big problems with early telegraph systems is they used the Earth as the return path for the electricity. So they were one-wire systems and you sent your telegraph message over the outgoing wire and the return current came through the earth entirely. So if you lived in an area that was served by a telegraph wire, you were living basically in a dc pretty strong d electric field and for 30 some odd years people hunted high and low for a cause for this disease and a lot of famous people suffered from it. Even in the 20th century, if I recall, woodrow Wilson suffered from it. There were all sorts of famous people that suffered from it. Around the turn of the 20th century, sigmund Freud declared that this was not a physical disease, it was a mental disease and he named it anxiety disorder. An anxiety disorder was basically invented by Freud as another name for neurasthenia, which was never described in the literature until telegraph systems were widespread. And we're living with anxiety disorder today, since it was basically invented by Freud.
Keith Cutter:Well, I received that label personally back in the 80s with the rollout of the first generation 1G cell phones and I was unable to make a correlation for over three decades. So I lived personally with that and then, when I found out about this correlation between man-made, harmful, man-made electromagnetic radiation and health, after remediating the home that I was in, this lifelong experience with anxiety disorder didn't get better it. It vanished entirely, as did some other other symptoms. But let's go back to. We were talking about telegraph. Let's talk a little bit about the, the power grid. So we had the rollout of the power grid beginning in the end of the 19th century and a case could be made that the diseases of modern civilization followed the rollout of electric service that is is correct.
Arthur Firstenberg:Yeah, ac electricity was rolled out beginning in the year exactly in the year 1889. And 1889 was the year of the first modern influenza pandemic and I studied influenza and wrote about it in my book. And every major influenza epidemic since 1889 has coinc spread of AC electricity around the world, which, by the way, doctors were baffled by symptoms of influenza because most doctors had never seen a case or they hadn't seen a case in 30 or 40 years. Influenza was not a yearly disease until the year 1889. And starting in 188989, everywhere in the world it happened on a yearly basis, in the winter, somewhat different to the tropics, but it was a yearly disease since that year. In 1918 it followed immediately upon the entry of the United States into World War I with our unprecedented use of wireless communication. That was the beginning of widespread wireless in the year 1918. That was the Spanish influenza. And in the year 1957 was the implementation of radar for civil defense. The United States and other major countries started to line shores of their country with these extremely powerful radar facilities. 1968 was another influenza epidemic that coincided with the launching of the first constellation of military satellites for military communication. So that's influenza.
Arthur Firstenberg:I also have chapters in my book on diabetes and heart disease and cancer. Those are the three major diseases sprung up in the 20th century basically out of nowhere, except it's not out of nowhere out of the exponential development of electromagnetic technology and in the very late 20th century of wireless with which, which has increased our electromagnetic load tremendously. And as I go into my book, the first book, first medical book about diabetes was it published in 1788 or something was written by a doctor who had only ever seen two cases of diabetes in his life. It was very. It was the same disease but it was extremely rare. And it was not because the world diet has changed dramatically that we're eating a thousand times more sugar than we were then. No, that's not true at all. We had plenty of sugar and we're not getting tremendously less amount of exercise.
Arthur Firstenberg:But what we are exposed to is tremendously increased electromagnetic environment, artificial electromagnetic environment, and this is due to the interference with electrical currents in the cells of our body and in particular with those three major diseases. They're caused by interference with tiny, tiny electrical currents in the mitochondria of every cell, in every body of every human and every animal, and that electron transport system is the final step in the metabolism of our food. And if you interfere with metabolism, you can't digest sugars as efficiently as you used to. It accumulates in your blood. You excrete it in your urine it's called diabetes. It digests fats as efficiently as you used to and it gets deposited in your arteries and your coronary arteries and you get heart disease and cancer.
Arthur Firstenberg:Cells thrive in the absence of oxygen. So what is metabolism? It's the burning of food that you eat with the oxygen that you breathe, and the electron transport system in your mitochondria transports electrons from the digestion of your food to the oxygen you breathe. And interference with the electron transport chain effectively starves you to some degree of oxygen and that predisposes to cancer, and it's why cancer rates are skyrocketing and why in America, the majority of Americans what is it? One out of three, or even one out of two, I think are getting cancer at some point during their life. During their life, the interference with metabolism has also lowered our body temperature. It's about a degree below on average, 98.6 degrees nowadays. It actually has the effect of lengthening your lifespan because it slows your metabolism. It has all these effects, among which are these tremendous pandemics of disease.
Keith Cutter:So all of this happened as a result of commercial implementations of technologies that rely on electricity. Changing the electromagnetic environment has resulted in a change in our cellular metabolism.
Arthur Firstenberg:Correct. Yes, Our cellular metabolism and the functioning of our nervous system and organs.
Keith Cutter:So Samuel Milham wrote a book called Dirty Electricity and he was a medical doctor and an epidemiologist and published I don't know 80 or more peer-reviewed papers and he was really troubled because I can't remember if it was his internship or his residency, but he saw a ward full of young children I believe it was three four-year-old kids that had leukemia and this was just unprecedented. He went through his career and I think it always stayed in the back of his mind, according to his book and trying to revolve what caused this. You're familiar with his work and I think you looked at his research as well. Would you like to talk about that?
Arthur Firstenberg:Yeah, that's where I got the idea for my research. A lot of my research was from Sam Milam's work and he also noticed a vast increase in diabetes and heart disease and cancer. Those are the three diseases he focused on as a result of electrification in this country during the 30s and 40s. I took that work and I investigated it in a lot more detail and confirmed what he said so we have all of that history.
Keith Cutter:So it was not unknown that people who live near telegraph lines were becoming ill. It was not unknown that telegraph operators were becoming ill.
Arthur Firstenberg:The same thing with Telephone operators became ill. Telephone came in yeah.
Keith Cutter:And then with the, you know, Samuel Millam's methodology was to study cities that were similar. From an epidemiological standpoint they were similar. And then he looked at what happened when one was electrified before the other and he came up with these correlations that we've just discussed. And then, as you've already mentioned, influenza became a recurring thing. Where it might have had gaps in history of 70 years or 40 years or whatever, it became a recurring thing to the point.
Arthur Firstenberg:There are also a lot of studies that have been done showing that influenza epidemics tend to come at the peak of solar cycles.
Keith Cutter:Right.
Arthur Firstenberg:That when there is more solar radiation. Those are the years throughout history. For hundreds and thousands of years in the past, that's when influenza epidemics tended to occur.
Keith Cutter:Right, right. Yeah, that's a great point. Except now we have it yearly and up until recently it was not a yearly disease back then. Yeah, influenza-like illness is something that was reported every year as a cause of death. Am I right about that? It has been since 1889, yes, we have all this information, all this awareness and there was an awareness when radio became.
Arthur Firstenberg:You mentioned the so-called Spanish flu epidemic when shortwave radio was, I said those were longwave.
Keith Cutter:Oh, were they longwave. Okay, it was mobilized for World War II.
Arthur Firstenberg:That's why it spread over the entire Earth that year, because the longwave could travel over the whole Earth, especially these powerful longwave stations that were operated by the Navy.
Keith Cutter:How about the radio waves that were emitted on the Isle of man? First?
Arthur Firstenberg:Well, that was the location of Marc Cote's first radio station, first permanent radio station. That was the first permanent radio station in the world. He basically invented the radio and he opened up his first radio station on the Isle of man and one of the amazing things that happened is all of the honeybees on the island disappeared. They died. This was the year 1904. They brought in scientists from universities to come and find out why all the honeybees were dead, and they did not find the cause the Isle of man or the Isle of Wight.
Keith Cutter:Oh, did I get that wrong?
Arthur Firstenberg:It's the Isle of Wight off the southern coast of England, thank you. And they brought in fresh honeybees from colonies on the mainland and those fresh honeybees were dying. Within a week, basically 90% of the honeybees on the entire island, which is like 20 miles long, had disappeared and they called it Isle of Wight disease and it spread around the world with the spread of radio, except that nobody noticed the correlation and it became. It was renamed in the 1950s as disappearing disease and it was renamed in the 1990s as colony collapse disorder. This is what they're calling it nowadays.
Keith Cutter:And way back during that first instance in the 20th century, they were looking into the variola mite, I believe as a suspected culprit. Then as well know, most recently with uh colony collapse disorder they like to blame it on mites.
Arthur Firstenberg:Yes, yeah, and any anything, anything other than a dramatic change in the electromagnetic environment that supports life, I suppose right and when it has been studied with those mites, when colonies has been studied, when those mites, when colonies with mites and colonies without mites have been studied, mites could find no difference in the mortality rate of the bees between bees that had mites and bees that didn't have mites. But yet apiologists are attached, very much attached to that as the cause.
Keith Cutter:All right, let's talk about to that as the cause. All right, let's talk about cell phones. We've talked about the telegraph, the electric grid, the advent of radio and, of course, wireless television would be about that same era, and you talked about the dramatic effect of radar, people and then as well, the first generation of satellites. So now we need to talk about cell phones. So I guess what I'm pointing at is we had this incredible amount of data available to everybody. It really hadn't been correlated or promoted, but the data was out there as to not only human harm but harm to animals and even plants. There was also work by Zori Glaser. Am I pronouncing his name correctly?
Arthur Firstenberg:Zori Glaser yes.
Keith Cutter:And he had created a. Was it a bibliography? Is that what it was called?
Arthur Firstenberg:Yes, he was hired by the Navy, us Navy. He was a single lieutenant in the Navy. He was hired to do a search of the world's literature on the effects of electromagnetic fields on biology, the biological effects of actually he was hired the biological effects of radio waves and microwaves, radio frequency and microwave radiation. He put out his first bibliography at the year 1970 and he produced supplements virtually every year throughout the 1970s and he catalogued, or the Navy, 5,083 studies by the end of the 1970s. When I looked at his bibliography and compared it to the studies that I'm familiar with nowadays, I estimated that he had found probably about half the world's literature on biological effects of radiofre frequency and microwaves. So by the end of the 1970s that means there were about 10,000 studies that had been done throughout the world on a topic that even today public doesn't even know exists. It's just incredible.
Keith Cutter:Then we had an American biologist by the name of Alan Frey, who discovered that microwave radiation damages a blood-brain barrier, which he published.
Arthur Firstenberg:Alan Frey is still with us.
Keith Cutter:Oh, okay, I'm sorry, I didn't realize. Thank you, so he published that in 1975, and, if I'm not mistaken, that was non-thermal levels of RF radiation damaging the blood-brain barrier.
Arthur Firstenberg:He showed in 60. Blood levels, much lower than what a cell phone exposes people's brains to.
Keith Cutter:And that animals could hear microwaves in 1961. Yes, and that rats could be made to become docile with the small amount of RF radiation in 76 and altering the heart rate of frogs at a small amount of RF and causing heart arrhythmias. And just you know, it goes on and on.
Arthur Firstenberg:Just you know, it goes on and on. He was able to stop the hearts of frogs by timing microwave pulses at a specific point in the heart's rhythm.
Keith Cutter:Was that the ST interval? It's the ST interval. I think you're correct. I think that was where he tried to time the pulses. So it isn't as though we didn't have an abundance of research indicating that there was harm. But then we went ahead and implemented the cell phone and the first generation of cell phones came out around 85, depending on where.
Keith Cutter:Let's talk for just a minute about what it takes to have two people anywhere on the earth talk to one another over a cell phone. So we're going to assume two individuals have cell phones and they want to speak to one another. The first requirement is that those two people live in an artificial electromagnetic environment, and what I mean by that is no service, no cell phone, that service that we use that word today to describe being in a completely unnatural electromagnetic environment created by your nearby cell phone tower. Would you agree?
Arthur Firstenberg:Well, it's, yes, but it's not the same as parallel or wired computers. Yes, those put you in a strong electromagnetic field, but wireless means that that electromagnetic field is intentionally radiated through space to get from one point to another. In other words, you're no longer communicating through wires, you're now communicating through space, and a traveling electromagnetic wave is a form of radiation, and a traveling electromagnetic wave is a form of radiation. So what people have to understand is that wireless needs radiation. So in order for your cell phone to work, first of all your cell phone has to emit radiation. That radiation has to travel to a cell tower, which has to receive it, and that cell tower has to transmit signals back to your cell phone, and that signal is radiation.
Arthur Firstenberg:Signal is radiation, and the cell tower, until 5G came along anyway, used to radiate in all directions. So in order to make a phone call, your cell phone has to radiate your entire environment, because it's not directional, and the cell tower that it communicates with has to radiate its entire environment. So in order for you to make a cell phone call, you have to live, or for you to be able to make a cell phone call at home, you have to live in a sea of radiation. If the radiation was not there, you would not be able to use your cell phone.
Arthur Firstenberg:You have to add to the radiation because your cell phone emits radiation and your cell phone basically turns on the cell tower, which people don't understand either that when nobody's on their phone, the cell tower emits a setup signal because it has to be ready to receive signals from people's cell phones. But in the middle of the night, when nobody's on their phone, the cell tower is pretty quiet. When you make a cell phone call, you are turning on a signal in the nearest cell tower so that it can communicate with you and you are irradiating your entire neighborhood in order to make your cell phone call. And in the middle of the day, or especially in rush hour or on weekends, when everybody is on their cell phone, those cell towers are working at maximum capacity and they're irradiating everybody and everything with hundreds of different signals and frequencies and modulation patterns, and it's invisible and people have no clue as to what is required in order for the cell phone network to even exist.
Keith Cutter:It's become an intimate part of everybody's life who lives in cell phone service.
Arthur Firstenberg:And if you want to have your cell phone on the road with you in case of an emergency, the only way that that is of any use to you is if there are cell phone towers everywhere you go, even in remote places, in parks and wilderness areas, because that's where you're going to have emergencies the most and you are demanding the irradiation of the entire planet, and that's what I have been working to bring awareness to and what I'm working nowadays with other people around the world to try and stop.
Keith Cutter:Do you want to talk here a little bit about your role as the president of the Cell Phone Task Force and what you guys are involved with?
Arthur Firstenberg:Well, it was founded in 1996, at the beginning of the digital wireless revolution. Yes, there were analog 1G cell phones back in the 1980s, but the first digital cell phone and cell tower network was constructed throughout the United States in the year 1996 and 1997 and has expanded since then. And we founded ourselves in 1996 to bring awareness, education, advocacy, support for aging people and we're still working and trying to get awareness to this issue, which has been very difficult.
Keith Cutter:What are you offering in terms of help for people who have been injured?
Arthur Firstenberg:Well, first of all, everybody's been injured. No, I know Most people that have not everybody, but the majority of people nowadays who have diabetes and cancer. Heart disease is becoming very multifaceted, but a lot of heart disease also because they carry a cell phone with them. So everybody's being injured. The number of people who can't sleep this is a major effect. It's like insomnia, sleep disorders, skyrocketing, tinnitus.
Arthur Firstenberg:People are hearing the electricity, as Alan Frey discovered back in the 1970s. Anxiety, depression, asthma, neurological diseases of all sorts. The injuries are so widespread and the denial is also so widespread that the medical community doesn't associate it with electricity, much less wireless, which is causing most of it nowadays because it's so intense. Most of the people who contact me they call themselves electrically sensitive. That's the term we used to use in the 1980s, the 1990s, and then people started calling it electrohypersensitivity, which is even a crazier term for something that affects the whole human race and all of animal life and all of plant life Hypersensitivity. It's like we're being electrocuted, we're being poisoned by artificial electromagnetic field. We're all being electrocuted. But the people who know it, who have somehow learned, despite the denial of the medical community and everyone else, they know, they've learned what affects them and they try to escape it. That's not what we're about. There's various ways that you can minimize to some extent your exposure to all this stuff.
Arthur Firstenberg:Again, that's not what the Cell Phone Task Force is about. What we're about is organizing. We provide support, we provide a network where people can realize that they're not alone, that there's millions of people in this world that are the same as them. We're lobbying governments, we're participating in lawsuits, we're organizing, we're communicating with the medical community, the scientific community. We're trying to bring awareness, we're trying to break through the wall of denial. It's been there for a couple of centuries but as far as how to protect yourself, it's becoming more and more impossible Because the entire electric grid is now contaminated with millions of frequencies from everybody's computers that are getting on the grid, because everybody's computer is either is both on the grid and off the grid. It's wireless but it's also wired. And these frequencies are coming into your house because you have electricity and you can't escape it, and it's coming through your walls because everybody's got cell phones and Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and 25 other wireless devices and you can't escape that. And now it's coming through outer space, because we've put into orbit already something like 9,000 satellites and there's a million satellites more on the drawing board and you can't escape it. So it's becoming more and more urgent to break through the denial, to educate the scientific community, to educate the environmental community, environmental organizations. Hey, here's this major factor in environmental destruction that you are not paying attention to. Please work with us. We've got to stop it. The only solution is to put an end to wireless technology, and it's not going to happen by decree, it's going to happen by education. It's going to happen by again breaking through the denial, getting scientists and especially doctors to finally study this.
Arthur Firstenberg:I went to medical school. We did not study this in medical school. Study this. I went to medical school. We did not study this in medical school. It has to happen. People have to be educated.
Arthur Firstenberg:Wireless means, radiation, cell phones are destroying your brain and destroying your body. Destroy your environment has to start with individuals. People have only control over their own behavior, over what they do. So what I tell people nowadays? First and foremost, get rid of your cell phone. That's the beginning of change. We have to begin change somehow.
Arthur Firstenberg:The relatively few number of people who realize what's happening to us all and who call themselves electromagnetically hypersensitive nobody cares about us, call themselves electromagnetically hypersensitive. Nobody cares about us as long as you call yourself hypersensitive. People think, oh, that's not me, that's just a few abnormal people with a, with a medical problem. It's not me, but nobody thinks it's affecting them. They all are taking drugs and medications and having surgeries. They keep their cell phone in their hip pocket and they can't walk and the doctor tells them that their hips worn out so they have hip replacements. They get pacemakers put in their hearts because they have heart arrhythmias. It's damaging people's vision. People are on sleeping medications and people have no clue why, again, what we're focusing on right now and people are on sleeping medications and people have no clue why, again, what we're focusing on right now and I'm participating in a new organization called Global Radiation Emergency that's just forming.
Arthur Firstenberg:We have members, team members, from 18 countries right now and one of our main messages is hey, get rid of your phone, cell phone, go back to a landline if you can, because they're taking away our landlines. Why? Because nobody's using them anymore. We have to go back to landlines. We have to restore the demand for landlines. We have to diminish the demand for cell phones. We have to change our behavior, which will result in a change in our environment. It can reach a critical level where awareness starts to spread throughout the world and the stuff will be banned. But that's not how we start. We have to start with individual action, and that's what we're about right now.
Keith Cutter:That's really well said and it may seem unattainable. You're literally calling for the end of wireless communication, but based on all the history that we've talked about and there is so much more that we haven't talked about and what's happening on the earth today.
Arthur Firstenberg:it's not just people are saying, well, but we're still living a long time. Well, there are still billions of us on the earth. Obviously, it's not killing us all, it is killing us all. The lifespan in the United States has already started to decline. It's just started. But you look around us at nature. Nature has disappeared.
Keith Cutter:Let's talk about that.
Arthur Firstenberg:The animals, the insects. They don't have climate-controlled houses to live in, they don't have drugs and medication to keep them alive. They're going away, and this is what I've been devoting my most recent newsletters of the past few months to is publishing reports from all over the world of people who are describing in detail the disappearance, just within the last couple of years, of all of the birds that used to be so wonderful in nature, all of the insects. They're gone. People are writing to me. There's no more mosquitoes left, there's no more insects, the spiders are gone, the worms are gone. In my soil it's like what is happening, but the most dramatic is the disappearance of the insects and the birds, and that's what is going on everywhere. It's these smallest creatures that have the highest metabolism the insects, the small birds, the amphibians, the bats and a lot of these creatures that are insectivorous birds and bats. They don't have anything to eat anymore, so they're dying out, as well as the direct effects of the radiation on them, and we're all basically living in a virtual world, looking at our screens all the time and not noticing or seemingly caring what's happening to nature. So, yes, it's a daunting task.
Arthur Firstenberg:Can we abolish wireless technology? Maybe not. But wireless technology is not here to stay, because the Earth is not here to stay unless we get rid of it. We have no choice, if we want to save our world and have a place to live, but to stop using wireless technology.
Arthur Firstenberg:Yes, there are a lot of other assaults on the Earth. We have to stop burning fossil fuels. We have to stop cutting down our forests. We have to do a lot of things, but the emergency which is now coming from 9,000 satellites and from 15 to 20 billion mobile devices and from, probably by this time, 10 million cell phone towers, and now they're putting basically cell towers on the floor of the ocean and repeaters at all the levels of the ocean, so anybody that goes in or on the ocean can have a wireless connection to the rest of the world. And it's just crazy and we're wiping out life and it has to stop. We have no other choice. Maybe it's impossible, but that means we won't have an Earth to live on. So we got to try and that's why I'm still doing my work.
Keith Cutter:That's fantastic. So I want to just echo a couple of things that you said. I can help people in the short term. I can help people short term. There are ways to reduce personal exposure. Terrain, for example, is critical with regard to selecting your next home in terms of RF avoidance, wireless technologies and we won't be able to create a contrast, an epidemiological contrast, between those who are affected and those who are not affected. The information has been out there for a long time. It just hasn't been made really public. So I want to encourage people to become members of the cell phone task force, consider supporting financially that organization so that they can help. They can continue to help bring this information forward and make it available.
Keith Cutter:There are some surprising benefits that you can receive from that. Benefits that you can receive from that. Back in 2022, you revised the radio wave packet, which is really packed with very useful information for anybody who wants to understand the scientific basis for all of this. There is, of course, the ongoing newsletters, and you know there is no. We want things compressed and condensed and and given in 30 seconds. Sometimes there's no way to do that, but you can't help but to come away affected when you read the personal stories of people all over the world reporting on the decimation of species in their area. I just don't know any other way to get that information. So please, if you have a heart to help in this, I would encourage people to become supporters of the Cellular Phone Task Force.
Arthur Firstenberg:Our website is cellphontaskforceorg.
Keith Cutter:Cellphontaskforceorg and if you haven't already, you know, a lot of what we discussed today is in the invisible rainbow and there's no way we could discuss it all. There is much, much more than than we were able to discuss. So, really, if you want to learn more about this, this topic, I can't recommend a book more highly than the invisible rainbow and it has. It has been a great discussion. We've covered a lot of ground. I want to thank you again for being a guest on the EMF Remedy podcast. I appreciate it.
Arthur Firstenberg:Thank you.
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