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135 Karson Linton, Writer & Building Biologist: Leaky Gut Healed
Leaky gut syndrome resolves in two weeks after moving the bed from a 20mG magnetic field—one of many discussion points in this interview including: the benefits of follow-through with prescribed remediation, critical importance of achieving contrast through time spent in a pristine EMF environment, the question of relying upon faith alone or proper avoidance + faith and much, much more. This entire episode is brain food for surviving this present age of electromagnetic pollution.
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Leaky gut syndrome resolves in two weeks after moving the bed from a 20 milligauss magnetic field One of many discussion points in this interview, including electrical sensitivity secondary to mold exposure. Again critical importance of achieving contrast through time spent in a pristine EMF environment, the question of relying upon faith alone or proper avoidance plus faith, and much, much more. Here we go.
Karson Linton:We take actions for our health which is not a display of faithlessness in God, but a responsibility for the life and the body that he's entrusted us with.
Keith Cutter:All right. My guest today is Carson Linton. Carson is a building biologist and a writer from Ontario, Canada, who helps companies in the healthy building industry to build trust and authority through written content. Carson, welcome to the EMF Remedy Podcast.
Karson Linton:Carson, welcome to the EMF Remedy Podcast. Thanks, keith, I'm excited to be here. Your podcast. I've enjoyed it since I first came across it because there's not a ton of really good content about electromagnetic radiation, so it's an honor to be here.
Keith Cutter:Well, thank you. Thank you, I'm glad you enjoy the podcast You're talking about. For people who don't know and are watching this on YouTube, we have an audio podcast approaching our third year 130-something episodes now, relatively complete education and help for people who need the proper mindset and the technical aspects of surviving this crazy time that we're in. So I thought maybe we could start our discussion. Maybe I'll just lay out a few things. You're a building biologist and that's very interesting and I want to talk about some time here about how you serve uniquely. You're also electrically sensitive, although different people use different terminology for that and like to talk about that and your observations about and I think this is particularly interesting the low-frequency effects and separating those from RF, family impacts and work impacts and just a whole host of things. But maybe to get started here, how did you find out that you were electrically sensitive?
Karson Linton:Yeah, that's you know. So about almost exactly six years ago, my wife and I moved to the place where we're living now, and when we moved here we had some renovations to do, and so we stayed in a French trailer, and it turned out to be moldy.
Karson Linton:We didn't really realize that at the time, and nor did we even particularly think it was you know, such a going to be as catastrophic as as it was, and the effects weren't weren't immediate, but over the next two years our health declined. So we had at the time we, we made the move. Our our oldest son was five months old at the time, and so the three of us stayed in the trailer together and then moved into the place where we are right now. And I mean a touch of foreshadowing is we put our bed right over a 20 milligauss magnetic field, although we wouldn't find that out for several years afterwards. But our health, just all of a sudden it started with food sensitivities. You know, it was gluten, then it was dairy and then it was more. And we just kept cutting more and more foods out to try and control our health. But then other effects started coming in. I mean for myself specifically.
Karson Linton:I've always been a pretty calm level person and my emotions became like a roller coaster. I'd get angry, I was yelling. I've never yelled at anyone before. I was yelling at people outbursting. I'd sit on the couch and want no one to be anywhere around me and just be hopeless and despairing and not even sure why. I was trying to do anything in life and I'd never felt that way before and my wife was confused I mean, we were recently married. She thought, who is this guy? I've married? This isn't the man I knew.
Karson Linton:And we tried a bunch of stuff and you know, we'd actually just come out of serving in Christian ministry and we were at the time, like you know, very certain that that we were fighting a spiritual battle and and and nothing else. But then we started to realize, oh, like well, diet actually controls what's going on. So maybe there's more than than just there's a spiritual aspect to this. There's a. You know, we can, we can do things in our life that that make a difference. And we eventually ended up seeing a doctor who he was doing live blood analysis and he was seeing everyone in our household. He said, look, I've seen, uh, all your blood and if you get the mold out of your house you won't have to keep seeing was that the first time you had heard of mold being a a bad thing, or?
Keith Cutter:exposure yeah, yeah, I mean?
Karson Linton:I mean, you know, I don't think anyone assumes like if your walls have turned black that that's healthy. But beyond that, you know, I didn't figure it. It would be such a bad thing. And we didn't. We didn't think there was any mold in our house. It's, you know it was. It was recently renovated. We just seen behind all the walls. You know there was. There was nothing concerning here, but that led us to finding a building biologist who came and checked out the house and before he left I said you know, we sleep in a room which has the smart meter on one side and the electrical panel on the other side and I'm always just wondered if there's something electrically going on there.
Karson Linton:And I had no clue about electrical hypersensitivity or it was, it was almost an out of the blue question and he's like oh yeah, I could, I could check. I just, you know, if you really wanted to do it you'd have to check. You know, talk to someone who's a little more specialized in that, but I've got some basic stuff, let's. So.
Keith Cutter:We did a, a body voltage reading and I was 8,000 millivolts, or 8 volts in my bed, in body voltage and he's like well, that's not ideal, and let's just mention for people who might not know I think according to the building biology discipline, you're looking for one-tenth of one volt. Is that right as an ideal, or somewhere around there?
Karson Linton:Yeah, 100 millivolts is sort of the ideal and that's a tricky number to hit, I think, a lot of houses. Even if you turn the power off, it's still like 150 or 200 is what I've found, but yeah, in that range, so it was quite a bit higher yeah, in that range, so so it was quite a bit higher, wow, all right.
Keith Cutter:So then you, you noticed that you had this incredible electric field, evidenced by using the body voltage as a sort of a surrogate for a three-dimensional measurement of the electric field. And then did you proceed to have, you know, a complete EMF assessment, and how did you put it all together that maybe this was what was affecting your health?
Karson Linton:Yeah well, quite a bit happened in between, so we did. We did eventually get a full EMF assessment. It was a few months later. But one of the things that happened during that first assessment is it came to the end of the assessment and me and this fellow sort of looked at each other and he said how come you're not doing this? Because I had a background in building science. And so we had the most intriguing conversation. You know, I trailed them all around the house and we geeked out over building science and you know why moisture gets behind walls and things like that.
Karson Linton:And at the time I wasn't working. I'd been off work for probably four months because my health had deteriorated so bad. You know, I couldn't function in the workplace anymore. I was making mistakes that were costly to my employer and their clients, and I said I don't know what's going on, but I've got to stop. And so I was in this place where I didn't really know what I was going to do next or what a journey back into the workplace would look like, and the idea of taking my building science background and merging it with this new thing called building biology that I had just heard about, you know.
Karson Linton:Basically, that day was really intriguing, and within the week I'd made the decision to go ahead and pursue their certification programs, and so I'd been going through a lot of the education there and learning more and more about electromagnetics, which was really an entirely new field to me, one I hadn't really heard of or given much thought to previously, and so my knowledge was growing, but my ability to measure was still. I didn't have any equipment, and that's around the time when we had someone come and do a, a full assessment at the house and the. The shocking revelation wasn't just the, the high electrical field in the bed space, it was the, the, the massive magnetic field where the, the buried line through our bedroom floor was between the smart meter and the uh and the main electrical panel, uh, which is inside the house for, for, for those who live in a warmer climate and maybe aren't familiar with uh, that component being internal to the house yeah, magnetic fields are sometimes ignored and there's there's a long history of more than enough reason to be concerned.
Keith Cutter:Certainly they've never been shown to be without harm and certainly they're against nature. You know, we have this electromagnetic environment that sort of came with the earth that we live on, and it doesn't include alternating current magnetic fields for sure. So take us forward from there.
Karson Linton:Well, we figured out all the stuff that was wrong, but then we didn't really do anything about it because it seemed like it was either going to be too much work, too expensive, we didn't own the place where we were living, so we were renting it, and there was that component as well. As well, can we persuade the building owners to who happened to be my parents to make these changes? And yeah, so kind of. I continued on with my building biology education and thought, well, I'll eventually hit the point where I just know what to do. Right, I'm going to, as I go through this education, I'm going to learn the exact steps I need to take to fix everything. But the trouble was, those exact steps, I mean there wasn't.
Karson Linton:You know, I talked to a number of people about the magnetic field and you know, know, we talked about busting up the concrete and trying to put a shield in there and how far away we'd have to be, which would make the bedroom the most unusual layout. You know, we'd basically have to block the closet off with the bed, sort of thing. So that wasn't a a practical solution. And, um, the you know, the thought of hardwiring the internet. Well, that's cool, but can we? Can we do that? Can we inconvenience the, the other people living in the house? Is that going to be a solution? And so we learned a bunch of stuff and and really we did nothing about it, um, until eventually someone persuaded me. You know, just try getting out of that bedroom for two weeks and see if the magnetic field really is impacting you.
Gweneth:And I thought yeah well.
Karson Linton:I mean probably it's doing something. But there's more to the picture than that. And I'd been struggling with leaky gut for about a year at this point at least, well diagnosed and you know I'd been going on increasingly restrictive diets. You know I was down to the point where I wasn't eating much more than you know meat, a few vegetables and some herbs and like that was it. You know nothing else, and I could more or less manage my symptoms that way. But it wasn't great.
Karson Linton:We got out of that bedroom and within two weeks my leaky gut healed, you know, verified, it wasn't great. We got out of that bedroom and within two weeks my leaky got healed. You know, verified, with the blood analysis there was no food particles floating around in my blood like every other blood sample we'd ever taken. And that was a big realization moment for me, like, oh, I knew this was bad. I was telling other people it was bad, but I didn't take it seriously enough for myself. I wasn't willing to make the sacrifice of, you know, putting my whole family of five in a single bedroom um to to avoid this magnetic field and it's it's.
Keith Cutter:It's hard for even people who are educated in this to really believe that such a wide variety of health effects can come from these self, uh, these synthetic exposures. But anyway, what a huge blessing that, um, that you then had that moment of clarity. Oh, this is really something I need. I need to avoid, and the benefits to my health are great. So, yeah, so what? What happened there? And take us up to when you and I first met, or first talked about, a year ago.
Karson Linton:Yeah, so you know, interesting, I think one of the trends in in in our journey towards healing is you know and I speak for myself, but but my whole family is you you know, you make a change and it feels like you leap forward, but then, after a period of time, the symptoms start coming back. And but you, but you've implemented. So you implement another change and and you keep getting whether it's your diet better and better, or whether it's your diet better and better, or whether it's your environment better and better. When you make the change, you see the improvement, but the improvement isn't lasting. The the seems like it's just delaying what's happening and the poor health catches up. And so we chatted at a time when I was was feeling pretty desperate. I, you know, I, I knew all this stuff.
Karson Linton:I was helping others with with, you know, making their own homes healthier.
Karson Linton:And yet my own health wasn't going in the right direction and I didn't know what I could do about it. I'd I'd fixed everything that felt within my power to fix and, um, you know, by the time that we talked, we had we'd also hardwired the house, which was another case of me thinking I was less sensitive than I really was. And it wasn't until I accidentally found a corner of the house with almost no radio frequency and worked there for two weeks and I couldn't figure out why I was feeling so much better. And eventually I kind of made the connection like, oh well, oh well, there, yeah, there is this ethernet cable that's been here since forever. And I plugged it into my computer and turned the wi-fi off and you know because that's what you do, but I hadn't really made the connection that that's why I was feeling so much better and I got a meter out and measured and I was like wow it's really, for some reason, this one corner of the house is really low.
Karson Linton:And so we had, after that, we ended up hardwiring the whole house because realized what a big impact it was having. And, you know, even like went to the extent I I ripped our washer and dryer machine apart and disconnected the daughter panel. Um, that were, because those things were blasting radio frequency like crazy, um. But yeah, so so we chatted and and you know I was saying like look, I don't know what to do other than, like, disappear from society. How can I actually get out of this exposure? And you had the suggestion well, you know why don't you do just that? But do it for a short period. You know, find a campground. That's I think you use the term a wrinkle in the earth. But essentially, you know, find a place that's really truly a zero EMF zone. And yeah, we got off the call and right away I started researching and within a week we'd found what we have here in Ontario called Provincial Park, so it's like a government run campground. They're kind of the most popular places to go camping and there was one that would be about a six hour drive from our house that was not electrically serviced, it didn't have any cell service. There was a camp store at one end of the camp that had generator power but it had all the conveniences of a campground, which felt reasonable with, you know, bringing our young kids with us. And so we booked a week and went camping and I brought my equipment with me and measured and on everything that I was capable of measuring we were at 0.0. So, you know, obviously no magnetic field out in the middle of a campground but no electrical field coming from any of the camp stuff. You know, I think there was also like a solar powered light on the outhouses that were somewhat nearby but, you know, couldn't measure anything and the radio frequency was 0.00. We really were far away from any cell towers was 0.00. We really were far away from any cell towers and it was really eye-opening to get to experience what a natural environment, not corrupted by artificial electromagnetic fields, felt like.
Karson Linton:Yeah, we had a really delightful week and it shifted my view on how good is good enough, because I always looked at things within the building biology guidelines of. You know, you've got no concerns, slight concerns, severe concern, extreme concern, and it seemed really like this, this heat map, you know where, like the lower you got seemed really like this, this heat map, you know where. Like the lower you got, the better it was. And this experience shifted my perspective to like maybe it's a little more black and white, like either this is okay or this is not okay, and not okay starts pretty low and really high, is, of course, not okay and, yeah, certainly to some degree more not okay. But yeah, the, the, the, the importance of getting to, to truly like, almost like, I guess you could say like a zero EMF zone, was something I hadn't appreciated before that experience.
Keith Cutter:Well, that's, that's such an important observation, and I just wish you know if, if I could have a wish, it would be that everyone who's listening to this, everyone who's breathing, might have the opportunity to see how life, how sweet life, can be. Apart from all these synthetic fields, not a part of nature never been proven to be without a health effect, and yet we're living, all of of us, in increasing exposures. I guess I call that establishing a contrast. You know what can be, what's possible, and then where you're at. And I'm with you on the guidelines. I use the same numerical guidelines in my work. Although I'm not a building biologist, I'm an independent EMF consultant. I use the same guidelines because I think they're reasonable. The only difference, maybe is on the dirty electricity side. I use the GS units and for anybody who's in any kind of soup you know a electromagnetic toxic soup I do think it's best to reduce your exposures and I think there's benefit to that. But people shouldn't miss the opportunity to get to a pristine environment and see what that's about. Before you know, they make lifetime plans or build a new home or something like that.
Keith Cutter:So, um, now you found that your sensitivities were such that you felt really wonderful at no exposure, and that's very difficult to achieve when you're trying to be a part of society.
Keith Cutter:And then, of course, there's your work, which, as a building biologist who's interested in helping people with all the things that building biology is, is involved with, but especially the emf, emr, portion of it. That's not easy, it's really not easy. So I easy, so I just have a real appreciation for people who suffer and learn what the cause is and learn what the cure is, if I can talk about it in that way and then want to go and to help other people. But it comes at great cost for the people like you and people like me who are sensitive. So we talked a little while ago about how you've done some modifications to the way that you perform an in-home assessment with your clients that allow you to be more, um, more attentive and and uh, more effective in your work there. Uh, so tell me about how you approach, uh, an EMF assessment and the priority of getting devices, certain devices, turned off and whatnot.
Karson Linton:Yeah, so. So one interesting thing, and I don't know if this has come up in any of our previous conversations, but in the duration that I've kind of had my shingle out as a building biologist, every single call that's come into me falls into two buckets it's an existing home and they're concerned about mold, or it's a new build and they're concerned about mold, or it's a new build and they're concerned about toxic materials. I've actually never once got a call from someone concerned about EMFs.
Karson Linton:Interesting, although many of the calls are people who are aware of it Kind of like oh yeah, I've heard about that, or yeah, that's kind of a secondary concern for me, but always on assessments, always mold has been the primary concern and in some of the kind of non-assessment consulting, vocs and toxic building materials have been the primary concern.
Keith Cutter:Interesting.
Karson Linton:But I realized pretty quickly that, yeah, going on these assessments would knock me out for days, you know, because usually I wouldn't get called into a home if there wasn't a problem to begin with. Um, that's generally a pretty good indication that something is wrong with the home is that I've been invited to come into it. Uh and uh, yeah, what I, what I began to figure out, was that one I needed to limit to to one week, also because there's the travel associate. I mean, the travel is as taxing as anything else in driving down the highway to get anywhere, and most assessments are not closer than a two hour drive each way. So there's a lot of travel involved and that in itself is quite taxing as well.
Karson Linton:But I found that the most important thing I could do was I would always start an assessment with a sit down. Let's get to know each other, let's, you know, talk about what's going to happen today. And the first thing I'm going to do is go and turn off the radio frequency sources, because if I didn't do that, we'd get halfway through the assessment and my head would go to pudding and I wouldn't remember what I was supposed to measure or what, and I'd start walking around the house, going from room to room, thinking I know I'm supposed to be doing something here but I don't know what it is, and so good checklists certainly help with that. But I found getting the radio frequency sources eliminated right off the start would make a big difference in me being able to be at full sentience right to the end of the assessment.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, that's such an important point. You know our brains are electrical in nature. Everybody sort of knows that and doesn't know that at the same time, because we've either seen or we've heard of these EEGs where you can see the electrical activity in the brain, and yet we don't give any thought at all to sources of electromagnetic interference. Like, if you're building a computer, of course you have to consider not only the electromagnetic radiation that you're emitting from the computer but being sort of hardened against other EMF coming in, that it doesn't mess up your CPU and your memory and etc. But nobody tends to think about that. With the human brain and my friend, you are not alone, my friend, you are not alone um, I've talked to so many people that they just lose that ability to be their sharpest and um and have really full cognizance. The people that I feel sorry for is maybe people who have never experienced in their lives what it is like to live apart from these synthetic exposures and have a permanent diminished ability, like diminished cognitive abilities and and so how would they ever know? You know, if, if, um, all you can go by is your own cpu up here, right, and if it's always running sort of down here, but it has the potential to be up here and that's a remarkable thing. So that's interesting. You've never had an EMF-originated consult and yet I'm sure it comes into play in so many of those places. I know I've shared this with you before.
Keith Cutter:My son became electrically sensitive. He never was before, but he became electrically sensitive after mold exposure. He unfortunately lived in a house that did have mold and, like you say, that doesn't mean there's mold visible. It wasn't like there was a big black wall on one part of the house. No, it wasn't visible. But mold doesn't have to be visible to be toxic. And then, secondary to that exposure and all the health effects of that, then he found himself with this electrical sensitivity. So I don't know if you have any thoughts about what the linkage is there. We're not doctors, we're not pretending to be doctors or scientists. I just, um, I have a curiosity of how come those two are comorbid. About 100 episodes ago I, I, I, uh mentioned in a podcast audio podcast that I recorded that I think the link is the damage to the myelin sheath that's caused by both mold toxicity and electrical what I call electromagnetic poisoning.
Keith Cutter:I don't know if you have any comments on that or thoughts on that, or if you'd like to just move on.
Karson Linton:Yeah, you're right, because, as being someone who's not a health expert, it's challenging. And there's, you know, when we enter this field of looking at the relationship between the built environment, the spaces we spend time, and our health and well-being. It's so complex and there's so many factors and you could hone in on one little pinpoint of that and spend a lifetime of study and scratch the surface. And and yet you know, we want to take this, this holistic view of, you know, many different health complications, many different factors going on in in the environment, but also in that person's lifestyle and diet, and it's just radically complex. And to achieve any degree of expertise across that field is, you know, would take such a duration of study and, and you know, probably a specifically gifted mind, which I don't claim to possess, you know. So what I ended up doing was adopting a much simpler model of health, which I found was a framework that enabled me to kind of categorize how environment is impacting health. And so the model of health that I adopted, which is probably, to someone with a medical background, overly simplistic but, I think, for that not inaccurate it comes from an author, raymond Francis, and he wrote this book called Never Be Sick Again, it's a book I would never have picked up because the title seemed like a big promise and a bit cheesy and the graphic design on the cover screamed. You know 1998, which, I must admit, I am not immune to seeking books with nice graphic design. But this book came recommended from a trusted source and so I picked it up.
Karson Linton:And his sort of hypothesis or model of health is that all health issues stem from a malfunction at a cellular level. So if you have 100% healthy cells, you're 100% healthy. You don't have the flu, you don't have a cold, you don't have cancer, because all your cells are working. But if your cells stop working in any degree, then some form of illness will manifest. And so if we just targeted what does it take to make cells healthy, we could attack every health issue at the same time without having to put different diseases and conditions into different boxes with different treatments.
Karson Linton:And so the reason that Francis argues that cells malfunction is is really one. There's only really two reasons they're deficient from something they need or they're toxic from something which they don't need. And that made a lot of sense when I began to to think, even about our environments, was that everything quite neatly fit into that. I could say look well, we're deficient from the full spectrum of sunlight. We're deficient from, you know, the benefit of connecting to Earth's native electromagnetic radiation, but we're toxic from types of radiation that we were never meant to be exposed to, coming from man-made sources. We're toxic from chemicals that are in our air that you know aren't supposed to be.
Gweneth:And to that end.
Karson Linton:yeah, so what's the connection between mold and EMFs? Well, I'm sure there's like a probably you know a nicely elegant, direct biological pathway that could be determined and who knows, maybe someone has and I haven't encountered it. But it seems to me that both of those things would cause cellular malfunction, whether it's exposure to a biotoxin like mold, or an electrical toxin like non-native EMFs, and that's causing cellular damage, which is making you susceptible to more things that would cause cellular damage. Because now, the defense mechanisms are down.
Keith Cutter:Brilliant. Yeah, and you just reminded me I think I read a book by that same author because, as you were explaining the reasoning behind that and the title of the book that you read, never Get Sick Again. I think you wrote a few books read never never get sick again.
Keith Cutter:I think he wrote a few books, um, one being never fear cancer again. I, yes, I think that did. He was that his okay. So I I read that and it was. It was absolutely the same thing. So you either have a deficit of what's needful or you have an excess of what's or a presence of what's toxic, and and so it's a very simple model. Yeah, that's great, and we should talk a little bit about the different effects, maybe because one of the things I tell people is that electromagnetic poisoning does not come with a return address, so you can't necessarily say what health condition came from this or when did it happen or which specific exposure. But nevertheless, for some people they react differently to lower frequency exposures and higher frequency exposures, frequency exposures and higher frequency exposures. So you have spent some time studying your reaction, your response to higher frequency radio frequency type radiation and then lower frequency impacts. Would you mind talking about that a little bit?
Karson Linton:Sure, yeah, yeah, and I think we discussed this. But always the challenging bit with self-observation is that you know there's the possible that it's a placebo effect or psychosomatic, and I don't want to rule those out. You know that this is quite subjective because it's me observing myself with a, you know, a fairly extensive base of knowledge underlying the actions that I'm taking and the outcomes that I may be expecting. But what I've noticed is that, you know, both with making the adjustments in my own home which didn't happen overnight, happened in phases but also as I've gone into different environments and been able to measure what's happening there, and then noting how I feel in that space or how I feel in the days following that radio frequencies or the higher frequencies. I tend to classify the symptoms there as as quite neurological. You know, I get brain fog, I get ADHD, like symptoms which I never had as a, as a child. You know, I, I, I'm, I'm scattered, I can't. You know, I go to the coffee to go to the coffee to make kitchen. I go to the kitchen to make coffee and I can't find, I don't quite know why I'm there and I get distracted by something else and then, and the whole day goes by and I don't really realize that I've been, you know, bouncing like a chipmunk around and not getting anything done.
Karson Linton:When I'm exposed to lower frequencies you know magnetic fields or electrical fields the symptoms I tend to notice are more gastrointestinal. So I'll start having bloating after food, I'll have emotional responses to certain foods, where I'll eat a food and then the next day I'll be, you know, angry or I'll be depressed, you know gastrointestinal pain. So I mean, I think if we were to come to the root of it, we'd say it's essentially causing leaky gut, is, I think, what's happening. What's interesting is that the effects of the radio frequencies I notice almost right away and then they go away pretty quickly when I leave the exposure. The effects of lower frequencies, I don't feel them coming on. You know it might be weeks before I start to have gastrointestinal issues and more bloating and I think, oh well, it's just this thing I ate or it's. But then the recovery process from that is also much longer.
Karson Linton:And this has been a real challenge with working, as I've tried at various times to have any kind of a job or sit in one place for the duration of a day. If I'm getting exposed to these lower frequencies. It's a ticking time bomb. I'm on the clock before my health collapses. Time bomb I'm on the clock before my health collapses and after that collapse there's no quick comeback. And so I've many times in the last years, had to stop work for months at a time because I pressed through when I shouldn't have. I ignored the symptoms that were coming up, and then I faced the consequences when my whole health collapsed because I didn't heed the early warning signs.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, very interesting. So what a journey that you've been on to discover some of the factors that are really affecting your health. And may I ask how about your family and their effects? Have they noticed any correlation with electromagnetic exposure and their well-being?
Karson Linton:Yeah, it's certainly impacted the entire family and I think my wife and eldest son most of all, which maybe stems back to that early mold exposure as being a triggering event, Although we noticed with the whole family that we function differently depending on the environments that we've been in. Of course, we're probably far more aware of this than most people. I mean, I travel with a set of meters in my bag because I'm curious what's happening every place I go.
Karson Linton:So we're very cognizant of what our environments are and what exposures we're having.
Karson Linton:But, you know, following through with that is we know that there are certain environments where we do well and certain where you know, like Walmart's, not a great place for us to spend time and it doesn't take too long in there before we've got a nightmare of a day with, you know, with one of our kids for the rest of the day, where they can't control their emotions and everything becomes really hard.
Karson Linton:And my wife experiences the same, and so we have to be pretty careful about where we go and how long we spend there or how often we're out and about. We've been able to create a fairly safe environment in our own home, which is helpful because we know there's a place that we can retreat to Yeah's it's been. Having the whole family impacted has been almost a challenge and a blessing that. The blessing has been that that we're united and acknowledging what's going on, and I don't think that's the case for everyone and and oftentimes you know, parents don't understand what's going on with their kid or a spouse doesn't really comprehend why this is so important, and it's hard to if you're not directly experiencing the effects, easy to forget even if you believe, but because we all experience it.
Karson Linton:There's just no questions about you know, having compassion for each other on the days when when you know it's a hard day because of something that we exposed ourselves to, and and being united about where we're going to spend time and and what compromises we're going to make yeah, so you mentioned spending time in a store.
Keith Cutter:Was it walmart that you just mentioned?
Karson Linton:Yeah. That one seems particularly bad.
Keith Cutter:So a couple of years ago I was testing a beta tester for a millimeter wave meter and I went into. One of the stores was Walmart, and then every other local and regional and statewide, local and regional and national grocery chains, and the really curious thing was I had always felt like before, way before I learned that I was electrically sensitive. I had always felt like slightly disoriented when I would walk into a big grocery store, and it wasn't until then. Many, many years later, when I had this meter, I was able to see that every grocery store, even the little local and the regional and Walmart, all of them had millimeter wave, involuntary millimeter wave exposure on entry into the doors of this store. And I thought, boy, this is so strange, because there are so many ways to open a door, you don't need millimeter wave radiation exposure. And so I wonder what is the effect?
Keith Cutter:And I was presenting my findings at an event. It was an online event and a woman was writing in on the chat. I'm not so good at being able to talk and look at the chat at the same time, but after my presentation I looked at it and this woman was saying yes, yes. She said her child can't even go into a grocery store or a Walmart because of these types of exposures. So very, very interesting. And then you know, how does the average person who doesn't have meters or appropriate meters? A lot of people have cheap meters that don't have a known level of accuracy or sensitivity, and even people who have proper meters maybe don't know how to use them appropriately. And then, beyond that, the great number of people who don't have anything. How are they ever going to correlate exposures in the electromagnetic realm? Such a difficult challenge you mentioned early on. Go ahead.
Karson Linton:Do you want to comment on that?
Keith Cutter:Well, just talking about entering the stores, stores, and you mentioned the millimeter wave, and that was coming from, like the like, the detectors at the door, was it not? Yeah, the way. Well, I'm not going to be an apologist for why they're doing it. They're exposing people involuntarily to my millimeter wave, and then the doors come open. So I'll just leave it at that.
Karson Linton:Yeah, it's well, it's, you know. It's interesting because I, because I think one of the the sort of fallacies around that is is well, how could such a short exposure have such a big impact? And and the example I've I've often used is you know, know, if you told me that you are a 99% good driver because you only crashed your car one out of 100 times that you drove it, I'd say you know, you're not enough. You know the 99 times you went for a drive and didn't get into an incident doesn't make you a 99% good driver. It's that one moment that matters.
Karson Linton:And I think with electromagnetic exposure, it's that one moment that that matters, and I think with with electromagnetic exposure, it's a lot like that. It's not like the average time you're getting hit.
Karson Linton:It's that one impact that can and you know I theoretically held this view I mean, I'd seen some research around it and but it really struck home for me just a few weeks ago and I was building. My wife and son are selling cut flowers down at the curbside this year, and so I was tasked with building a little booth to go down at the bottom of the driveway and I started building it and I was just angry, you know, tossing boards, frustrated, don't come near me.
Karson Linton:And you know I realized I got in this way every time I ever did a weekend project at home and I couldn't totally explain why. I thought, well, maybe I'm just frustrated that I'm not. You know, this doesn't feel like a restful weekend, although I kind of enjoy building stuff. So it shouldn't feel this way. And I was thinking and thinking and I felt like a real, a real fool when I finally went. What if it's the power tools? You know, as a guy that does EMF assessments, I'm probably supposed to think about these things, but the pattern continues of me not taking my own exposures seriously enough. So I just decided to build it with hand tools as an experiment and it was delightful. All all my mood, challenges and uh and feelings went away and I had a really fun day and it turned out great.
Karson Linton:so I got the tools out afterwards and measured them um, and and I was shocked at both the electric and magnetic field I was able to measure between I don't know what's the NFA 1000 do between 5 hertz and 1,000 kilohertz, but not the full.
Karson Linton:You know what I rarely see, when one thing you can do with the NFA I realize you know this but for the listeners you can isolate different frequency bands and what I rarely see the greater than two kilohertz frequency. I pretty rarely see any significant reading there in the electric and magnetic field and that would be what we'd call commonly dirty electricity, what you're measuring up there. But the levels there were higher next to my cordless drill than what was below two kiloherts. So there's really really high frequencies in that dirty range, which both the building biology guidelines and I think the European 2016 guideline is more explicit about having a much more rigorous standard in that frequency range, where the acceptable levels are substantially lower. But here the readings were substantially higher and it suddenly made sense why the years I worked as a carpenter were so hard and why I get frustrated every time I build a project at home.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, very interesting, and I used to when I was more sensitive. I just couldn't be near my Apple MacBook Pro and one day I put my NFA 1000 on it while it was turned on and really strange electric fields, not your typical power line frequency or even the first five harmonics, and the same with the magnetic fields. And so I, how many people are going to make these correlations? So, just for people who are listening, an encouragement to establish a baseline. You know, get to a pristine place, find that wrinkle in the earth, spend time there, verify that you know it really is a pristine place, with some appropriate meters and see what happens.
Keith Cutter:So any final words on that? And then I want to ask you about your faith, because you mentioned when we first started that you had been working in Christian ministry. But any final thoughts about what we were just discussing with these sort of aberrant electric and magnetic fields? People should be aware that your place was cleaned up largely with dirty electricity remediation, both at the panel and then with the plug-in stets or filters. I believe in most places, less than 50 in the house, right.
Karson Linton:Yeah, yeah. And I noticed a huge difference after that, because one of the struggles I was facing and especially when we talked last year is I'd realized if I sit at the computer for a day, I'm destroying my health.
Keith Cutter:Yeah.
Karson Linton:But if I leave the house for a day, I'm destroying my health. I have no work opportunities. I can't go do assessments, I can't sit at the computer and do emails or work remotely. I certainly can't go into a conventional workplace Like what am I going to do?
Karson Linton:And actually, since putting the, the dirty electricity filters in, I'm able to tolerate the um, the sort of inevitable electric and magnetic fields around common household stuff, much better. And I've, you know, I've, for the last five, for the last six months, I've really daily worked behind a computer and have not had any struggles or adverse symptoms with that. And I'm also I'm sitting in the abandoned bedroom right now. So this room is far from perfect, but I'm at least not having a symptomatic response to it. You know I I don't want to be here too long term, um, but for now it's, it's what I have access to, and and with the with the dirty electricity filtered, I find I'm able to tolerate um electrical and magnetic fields that previously would really, you know, my health would have been absolutely destroyed by now, I think, without those filters in place.
Keith Cutter:Great yeah. So what is the importance of faith in your life? Yeah, yeah, that's.
Karson Linton:I mean, I find that such an interesting question and the easy answer is, of course, well, faith is the most important. It's number one. You lose your health and you watch your family lose their health and you question why? And you don't see the pathway out. And you know, as, as part of our, at least as part of the theology or Christian beliefs in my household, we would acknowledge that God is our healer and our source of health. We would acknowledge that God is our healer and our source of health. And that left some real questions about, well, what actions should we take to heal? How far should we go in our own efforts to heal? If we're doing this, are we relying on our strength and not on God's strength? Are we being faithless by pursuing our own healing and learning and implementing things?
Karson Linton:These have been challenging questions to confront and they have, at times, caused some rift amongst people in our community who say, well, you know you just need to pray and God will. Well, you know you just need to pray and God will take care of things for you. And you know that's left a hard question of you know. Well, are they right? Should we stop taking actions with our health into our own hands. You know, should we stop caring about our exposures and just trust that God would heal us? And I mean the answer that we arrived at is no, that we have this knowledge and that we have a responsibility to act upon what we know and to do the best we can with what we know. It's why we try and eat a cleaner diet, right. It's why we take care of ourselves and don't stay up all night watching movies and eating popcorn and things. We take actions for our health, which is not a display of faithlessness in God, but a responsibility for the life and the body that he's entrusted us with. And I think making improvements to our environment is really the same thing. You know, we can only do so much as we know, but I feel a responsibility to help more people understand how much their environment can be impacting them.
Karson Linton:And I don't know your thoughts on this, but and this has been I don't really have an answer for this one, but it was our journey of faith was much more challenging through our sickness, not because, probably to some degree, because the trial you know it's hard in suffering to maintain faithfulness but the other thing was we were so diminished, you know, we didn't have the energy to pray, we didn't have the energy to be reading our Bibles. Our spiritual lives suffered because our health was so poor that the basic disciplines of Christianity became challenging to uphold. And that was also very confusing because we thought, well, shouldn't God give us strength for this? And I guess it changed our opinion around what performance is required. But that's hard because you expect a certain performance from yourself and it feels like being a poor Christian when you don't maintain certain spiritual disciplines. And yet, in illness, we were not able to.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, interesting. When I was at the peak of my suffering, it was 33 years before I even found out and it was by the grace of God that I learned that it was electromagnetic poisoning and I've told that story many other places. So 33 years of suffering, being misdiagnosed, mistreated, etc. Had left me without many resources. We were selling possessions to live. I couldn't work for the first time in my life, and the very last thing I was willing to give up was church attendance, because what is a Christian without Christian fellowship? What is a Christian without Christian fellowship? And the reason I had to give it up was because it took me a full week to recover from a couple of hours spent in church on a Sunday morning. So I really know what you're talking about. That was a very dark time, but dark is helpful to contrast with the light. Helpful to contrast with the light. And I'll tell you.
Keith Cutter:What happened to my prayer life was. You know, I went for minutes a day to hours, and it started because I couldn't sleep. I was in such misery. We were living in a really pristine place, but the we were in between homes and it was a rental. It was way out in the middle of nowhere I sort of joke. It was off of a goat trail, you know, to get there. I mean, it's really pretty extreme. So the RF up there wasn't wasn't bad at all. We were able to address the dirty electricity. But there were these magnetic fields that we just could not address because it was a rental and so we just had. We lived basically for a year with the house turned off and all the challenges that that involved with regard to refrigeration and heating and etc.
Keith Cutter:But, um, yeah, so that that very difficult time really turned out to be an important event for me in my walk with with christ because, like I say, although I was precluded from being a part of the body which was a very difficult season to go through, being able to pray for hours at a time, and I just learned so much of that and reading the Bible yeah, we're depleted and then it becomes difficult. I have a friend who was really suffering when you receive that sort of revelation that it is electromagnetic, synthetic, emf that's harming you. It's not well known in our society and so sometimes this individual I'm thinking of, she was given the treatment by her congregation that, yeah, she just needed to have faith. So I shared an analogy with her. I said if the house were on fire, would they say the same thing that you should stay in it. And obviously people will say, well, if the house is on fire.
Keith Cutter:It's just the duration of the fire that's different. With this electromagnetic poisoning it happens constantly over time. And maybe one final observation is I did a podcast a long time ago called the Wine Was Sweet in Old Rome and the story goes back to the first century when Christ was on the earth and Roman wine was known for its sweetness, and it was. It was highly desired, and we know that the way that they made their wine was unique. They they heated it in these vessels that were made out of lead and that was a part of the production process and it imparted that sweet flavor.
Keith Cutter:And I forget all the data that I shared in that podcast episode, but I think the average men, women and children intake of wine in a day because people didn't generally drink water, they drank wine was like three-quarters of a liter men, women and children, I think and so in that episode I gave the milligram equivalent of how much lead was being consumed by people in those days and some pretty crazy things were happening in Rome at that time and you've got neurological issues from lead toxicity and you've got reproductive issues and just a whole host of other things, and so now in today in our society, nobody would say that you should be ingesting lead, right, or would have a problem with somebody who maybe naturally had lead in their water, um, who wanted to to distill their water, or something like that. But it is interesting, as somebody of faith, to try to put a context on all this. And now I'm talking too much and you're my guest, so I'll let you have the word.
Karson Linton:Well, that's a really insightful example and I think it's so relevant. You know this thing that's common and ubiquitous to society and no one really questions it. And yet you know, we now know the devastating effects of it, and you know I in a sense, this, this feels like like a part of history repeating itself. Yeah, the the only other thing I would I would say on um the relationship between my, my faith and and this struggle with myself and my family and um environmental and electromagnetic sensitivity.
Karson Linton:is it really shifted my perspective around people who are suffering and unable to get ahead in life, you know, whether it's someone who's just never been able to hold a job or someone who has, you know, a mental illness of some variety.
Karson Linton:And I think I always I didn't have as compassionate a view towards those individuals as I should have before. I always thought, you know, sure, probably their upbringing wasn't perfect or, you know, some things led them into the place where they are. But if someone like that just committed themselves to some discipline and, you know, keeping their hygiene up and, you know, holding true to what they say they're going to do, that's all that's required. And I didn't understand until I lost my own ability to work or to have even just a meaningful conversation, because my head was so scattered and I realized that sometimes there are forces beyond your control that put you into position like that and I I didn't. I didn't have enough grace or compassion for people in that situation. I didn't really believe that anyone was in that situation, um, to be honest, and and I think it took me having to go there to see that- yeah, it's very interesting.
Keith Cutter:These things that are so difficult for us and we wouldn't choose necessarily in our lives provide a great contrast for when things are going really well, and I think that's when a lot of learning comes. So for me, I'm celebrating 40 years now of survival with electromagnetic poisoning and I've had more joy at this point in my life. I never intended this career, I never would have hoped for the experiences that have led up to this, but to be able to help people who are suffering, help them in a unique way such a blessing. Now, five, six, seven years ago I might have been willing to cry uncle, and say, you know, I just want out of it. But there's a way through, my friends. There may not be a way out, but there's a way through. So if you are in need of either writing help if you're in the building industry and you need some writing or if you need help with an indoor living environment or to get your electromagnetic environment under control, how can people get in touch with you, Carson?
Karson Linton:Yeah, so for work on healthy buildings, whether that's an assessment or even just some consultation, the best way to reach me is through my company website, which is thrivehealthyca. And yeah, you know I'm based in Ontario, so I'll do assessments in Ontario, canada. I'm only here for a few more months. The plan is to move to the Netherlands this year, which is where my wife's family is, although I've also done some consulting internationally, and I think one of the interesting things that I realized is when we went through our own journey towards a healthy building, we sort of jumped in right to specific experts and we ended up taking a bit of a more winding course, and having someone at the beginning with a broad overview of everything that needs to be considered helped help chart that roadmap would have made a big difference, and I didn't expect that to be such an impactful service, but that's been.
Karson Linton:Some of my favorite projects have been not ones that I've actually done any assessment or remediation or fixing for, but just talk to someone at the start of their journey and help them pick the most important things and understand who the people that could actually help them are. So that's one way to reach me. Probably the best way to find me is on LinkedIn. If you search my name on LinkedIn, I'll come up, and that's where I'm most active with writing and posting. And yeah, as a result of this shift to the Netherlands, that's coming up.
Karson Linton:I've transitioned to do less building consulting and more writing for companies inside the healthy building industry. You know, when we went through this journey, it became my mission that no one should have to work as hard as I did to figure out what I figured out, and I think one of the challenges inside the industry of healthy environments is so much of the information is locked in really technical documents that are long and complicated, and to be able to take that message and communicate it in a way that is actually understandable to people and that captures their attention is an important work, and that's what I'm focusing primarily on now is helping companies take those complex health and environmental concepts and translate them into a meaningful message to their potential clients.
Keith Cutter:That's wonderful, and it's amazing, frankly, how God has led you through a path that now enables you to contribute at a much higher level in that area. One thing that occurs to me I don't know if we've ever talked about this, but we need survival homes for people who are afflicted whether with chemical sensitivity, with electromagnetic sensitivity, with mold sensitivity, and housing options are are not really great. So I think I mentioned to you my son built a tiny house and we did it in such a way that he wouldn't have any mold exposures, no vocs to speak of, and then, you know, shielded from an emf perspective. But I would sure love there to be sort of a survival pod, you know, if you would, a very inexpensive way that that somebody can sort of endure the storm. Once they've made that correlation between health effects and some of these exposures, so maybe we can.
Karson Linton:Such an important factor and you know one of the things, the question that we asked every single time before making an improvement to our house, because every single improvement comes with a cost, and the question we asked is okay, we're going to do this, how do we know it's going to make a difference? And the answer is always the same?
Karson Linton:We don't. We're going to do this, we're going to spend this money, we're going to undertake this project, we're going to go through these changes to our home and we are hoping that we'll feel better afterwards. But we don't have a way to test that and the only way to test it is to do it yourself and the ability to go to a space to know well, I'm coming into a space that meets these metrics, and then to stay there for whatever the appropriate duration is and notice the difference. I think that would build huge confidence that it's actually worth fixing your environment, because now you're not taking a leap of faith, you've experienced the benefit of it and you can confidently make those investments in your home environment or workplace.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, I have started training this year EMF consultants, independent EMF consultants. It's been a wonderful experience and part of what makes that possible is that I have a friend who has an Airbnb and it happens to be in a pristine area and he's working towards.
Keith Cutter:He's had his home assessed and he's made a lot of progress towards remediating everything else and the rf was already under control no no cell phone service in that area, and so I'm sort of with new clients, just saying, for the purpose that you just mentioned, that people say, how will I know? I just tell people, go someplace like this, you know, see how that works, and then give me a call and I feel like we need a man. We need to have millions of these facilities around the world. We need to have thousands of them in the United States and thousands more in Canada alone, just so people can access such places and feel what it's like. But that gets at that ability to establish a contrast and getting some idea of what the return might be.
Keith Cutter:So I'm going to go ahead and leave our conversation there right now, but I just want to thank you for if you are familiar with my podcast, you've heard me say this before, but I've had great respect for people who are the afflicted and then they go back into the sort of metaphorical burning building to help others who are suffering. And whether it's through electromagnetic exposures that you're incurring in people's houses or mold, which people might not know, but mycotoxins are so small, even if you wore a respirator, you're not going to exclude all of them. So it comes at a great cost, and to see you helping people in this way just gives me an appreciation for the work that you're doing. So thank you for that, carson, and thank you for taking your time to be a part of this podcast today.
Karson Linton:Thank you, keith, it was great to be here.
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