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Our mission is to help those who's lives are being adversely impacted through the reckless spread of harmful man-made electromagnetic radiation by equipping them to understand, measure and remediate EMF in their own homes. We also help with the harder part -- undoing the social programming and gaslighting so you can free yourself from the electromagnetic 'matrix'.
EMF Remedy
139: EHS Recovery and the Signal-to-Noise Equation with Pavel Wypychowski
Pavel Wypychowski shares his journey from electrical engineer to EMF consultant after experiencing severe health deterioration from electromagnetic exposure. He explores the critical relationship between natural and synthetic electromagnetic fields, offering insights on optimizing our electromagnetic environment for better health.
• Pavel's personal health collapse included severe cognitive issues, autoimmune symptoms, and debilitating fatigue
• Discovery that his ungrounded laptop power supply created 10,000 volts/meter of electric field, causing kidney pain
• Wi-Fi beacon signals operate at 10 Hz, similar to the Cold War "Woodpecker" signal and close to human brainwave frequencies
• Modern telecommunications systems require increasingly broad bandwidths to transmit more data, creating more potential interference
• Natural electromagnetic fields (like Schumann resonance) provide vital "signal" while artificial fields create "noise" for biological systems
• Fiber optic communications use 600,000 times less energy than wireless for the same data transmission
• The importance of optimizing rather than maximizing exposure to natural fields
• Proper electromagnetic hygiene is especially critical during nighttime regeneration periods
• Home shielding can be beneficial if done properly to block artificial fields while preserving natural ones
• Understanding the framework and principles matters more than following rigid protocols or seeking quick fixes
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My solution, actually my most valuable solution, is to give people the framework for understanding what is going on with their health and with the electromagnetic environment, and then the tools to navigate in this world. But the course and the navigation is theirs, not mine.
Keith Cutter:And the navigation is theirs, not mine. It's my pleasure today to introduce Pavel Wipichowski, who had a career in telecommunications and he is an independent EMF consultant. Pavel, welcome to the EMF Remedy Podcast.
Pawel Wypychowski:Hello and thank you for having me remedy podcast.
Keith Cutter:Hello and thank you for having me. So my audience is either wanting to take a precautionary approach to synthetic field exposures and embracing the natural fields, or people who have become sensitized and they're looking for something much more. Uh, your, your story is very interesting from an engineering perspective and I just want to explore today your thoughts about is this electromagnetic interference? Or how do we best view what's going on with the sort of unconstrained spread of synthetic radiation exposures, and how do we consider that with human body and animals and and whatnot? So let's get into that now. You were working in industry, in the wireless industry, and if you could tell the story about your, your health impacts.
Pawel Wypychowski:I was not really into into industry. It was like after my after graduation from my study in electronics and telecommunications, I actually quickly started my company with a few friends from the university and this was actually an IT company, and this was the era, the beginning of Internet actually Maybe a Norwegian investment fund in Poland being responsible for mergers and acquisitions of Polish companies by these Norwegian investors, and so on and so forth. So that was from about 1995, more or less, and then I was using you know in Europe actually the cell phone revolution started earlier than in the United States.
Pawel Wypychowski:Cell phone revolution started earlier than in the United States. So we were the leaders, nokia and all those companies in terms of mobile devices, but also network operators. So when you travel through Europe in 1995-6, you have most of places have, especially in cities, have access to mobile devices and we have mobile phones and so on. That was not the case in the United States, not everywhere. So I used that extensively all the days and nights. I have a Wi-Fi router, I have decked phones everywhere and so on.
Pawel Wypychowski:And I was I mean, in retrospect I was started to feeling worse and worse and worse. But what do you do in such a stimulating business environment? You simply go to stimulants and you go further. I mean simple things. That time I was just more and more tired, had difficulty to get up in the morning, so needed two coffees to really get going, and so on. But I continued and then after that I switched my profession.
Pawel Wypychowski:I was actually I become disinterested in this whole business thing. It was a very valuable experience in my life, but that was not what I wanted to continue and I switched to being a trainer and coach in the business and communication, but also sales and other aspects and then after about a few years of this work which was also, let's say, high performance work it was a lot of travels, a lot of stress and a lot of things and I collapsed completely and that was like going downhill literally in weeks, and the feeling was that I am disintegrating, that's completely collapsing, you know, with a lot of symptoms. And then feeling was that I am disintegrating, that's completely collapsing, with a lot of symptoms. And then I started, of course, finding out what is going on with me. I was totally, totally unaware about the wireless telecommunication and all the things.
Pawel Wypychowski:And then, you know, I lost all my money from the working in investment fund and afterwards for diagnostics in doctors and so on and so forth, and I went to the point when I decided that or I heal myself or I kill myself, because really there was no other option. So I had severe autoimmunology symptoms like rheumatoid, some suspicious in direction of multiple sclerosis and maybe early Alzheimer and things like that, because I have very, very big memory problems. Just to give you an idea, driving from the doctor with prescription to the pharmacy, and the pharmacy was on the main street of the city which I lived 40 years, and I stopped in the center of the city and I couldn't remember the street. I mean, I couldn't remember where the street is, the street. I mean you couldn't understand where the street is, and so that was maybe not all the time, but that was the and there was a very pronounced.
Pawel Wypychowski:I'm not talking about pains because that was actually not really that scary. The scary things were the problems with thinking, with concentration, with memory and also exhaustion, to the point where there were days when I was barely getting up from the bed around maybe noon and then take a shower and then go back to bed. That was all for the day. So then I started looking for different reasons. First I had also a diagnosis of Lyme disease, but this was not strictly medical diagnosis. At that time in Poland they simply disrespected PCR test for Lyme borreliosis. But that's only the part of the story. I don't see Lyme borreliosis as a reason for this collapse. But then I found that when I have a good day and I have about two hours window when my brain works somehow and I can get into the computer and log in into the Internet trying to find out anything and this was actually thanks to the internet and thanks to my English language skills it was possible for me to really read things about it, because otherwise there was nobody to help me at that time.
Pawel Wypychowski:And then I started looking for things which are people doing. And then I found a lot of stuff which scared me even more, because then I found the Lime Forum, which people shared success stories when they are without symptoms but they have to put themselves antibiotics in veins every three weeks or something. And that was not health. For me, that was not success story. So I was looking further down that. And then I found that, strangely, when I am working at my laptop in my home, I just feel a lot of pain in my kidneys and it was so, so painful that it prevented me to read things further and to work things further. And then I found that when I stopped working on my computer it gradually disappears and I said what the heck? And then I started measuring things and then I found that I have this stupid, you know switching power supply which is without connection to the ground wire, and then I have over 10,000 volts per meter on my keyboard.
Keith Cutter:Oh, my goodness.
Pawel Wypychowski:And that was it. And if I measured the body voltage it was 30 volts. Okay, and then I found that by the simple trick and my electronics degree and my telecommunication degree of course helped and by the simple trick like grounding this power supply and trying to lower the electric field in my surroundings, the pain just disappeared and never returned. And then I started digging even more and more and more and then the story started. Then I started to buy meters from Gigahertz Solutions, becoming their partner, and then I started my, let's say, small company, which everybody around actually discouraged me from that. What you are talking about, you know electromagnetic fields and health and everything. And it was 2007, like maybe 2008, when I started that and when I started with the idea. And then I gradually started that and then I started to make myself better by different means, and that was actually the beginning of my ongoing study to this day, trying to find a decent understanding of this connection between the electromagnetic environment and health as such.
Pawel Wypychowski:And so here we are after 17 years of my study, of my work, and a lot of consultation work, a lot of studies read and a lot of experiments done, a lot of shielding done and, well, a lot of things. Difficult to put them into short words 17 years of my life okay, that's the thing. And yeah, at the beginning, for the first years it was impossible for me to survive on that small activity. So I was partly doing other things, like went back to training and coaching and other things, but then I gradually switched to that full time and other things. But then I gradually switched to that full-time, but only because I also incorporated other aspects of EMF which are actually very helpful also in understanding and I am running the company to this day which the origin was the biological electromagnetic compatibility, but then I added protection of the sensitive information.
Pawel Wypychowski:I mean electromagnetic protection, which are mostly military and government projects. That is about how to, for example, listen to the computer inside the room, being outside of the room, so to listen to what is on the monitor or what this computer is doing, and also other electromagnetic compatibility and electromagnetic interference projects for industry. So I am doing also that and that is actually, on on one hand, a necessity to survive, because in Poland it's the situation. I mean the consciousness about the biological effects of electromagnetic fields, despite my 17 years of doing a lot of things like pro bono and educating people is still very low and the eagerness to invest money into that is even lower. So even the people who are talking about this thing a lot, they are not so much interested to invest anything in shielding or even in consultation, even in remediation work. So it's tough, but it's slowly, slowly, slowly going for better. I only ask myself a question why is it so different, for example, in Germany or Austria, when there is really a different level of understanding of that?
Keith Cutter:but well, that's the way it is, that's maybe I am looking for for for audience in United States so I'm gonna play a couple of sounds for you. I'm gonna try to play a couple of sounds for you. I'm going to try to play a couple of sounds for you. Okay.
Keith Cutter:And you may recognize them. The first one I only heard once I became a consultant. I had the meters where you can actually hear the audio analysis of the electromagnetic field that you're listening to, and it triggered a memory from my boyhood. This would have been in the 70s, maybe the 80s Something called Duga 1. The woodpecker yeah, yeah well. So I'm going to play these sounds for you and hopefully everybody will be able to hear these. So the first is Wi-Fi, and hopefully everybody will be able to hear these.
Pawel Wypychowski:So the first is Wi-Fi. Ah, the beacon Wi-Fi, and that's what back there.
Keith Cutter:Yeah. So the thing that really interested me is that both of these have embedded in them a you could call it a beacon.
Pawel Wypychowski:It is 10 hertz modulation so I call it the beacon, because in Wi-Fi, actually, this is called a beacon and the role of the signal is actually a beacon is actually to announce announcement by the router that here I am and I, my name, is connect to me.
Keith Cutter:Okay, this is, this is the role of the signal and so you know, I'm curious as to why the frequency was the same as the Duga which, which went away after the Chernobyl incident, and then, a while later, everybody began putting the transmitters in their own homes with Wi-Fi, and again there's this 10-hertz signal. So there's another signal that's in nature and it's the frequency of the earth. And in the brain, not only human brains, but other mammal brains in the brain, not only human brains but other mammal brains, and you know, there's this phenomenon of signal mixing and creating confusion.
Pawel Wypychowski:And would you like to talk about that and maybe what the problem is from your perspective? First, I try to address the similarity between this woodpecker signal and the Wi-Fi beacon signal. Maybe it's an interesting and curious study to start to find out if there was any connection. But from my perspective it's like what? What's? What is actually happening when you switch the beacon from the 10 hertz to 1 hertz, because there are routers, a so-called echo routers, which I don't like about but okay and they try to put the beacon at the different frequency, I mean spreading the signal, that the beacon signal just just farther away from each other, and that results in in connecting the devices to the router more slowly. I mean, it's just for that reason. It was the signal probably, in my view, probably designed by the engineers to be fast enough to get a quick connection to the router by the devices but otherwise not be faster.
Pawel Wypychowski:But they were completely unaware about most probably, of course, they were completely unaware about the similarity to the brainwaves and other things.
Pawel Wypychowski:In my view, that's the most probable story because of what we have now in our world which is called specialization.
Pawel Wypychowski:So the people go into the telecom industry and I know some people from the telecom industry and the people go there and they are completely unaware about the biological I mean electromagnetic biology.
Pawel Wypychowski:They're completely unaware. So they are designing things like modulation schemes and other things strictly from the technical view, strictly from the performance view and sometimes from the saving of energy view, because they are forced to, but not from the biological perspective and they are not asking anyone who has knowledge in them and they are not reading any study and even if I am trying to point to them some things, they don't want to know it because they are scared that they lose their career or maybe they start to think that they were doing something wrong and that, psychologically, for any human being is not a very comfortable situation situation. So that is something I mean, this psychological block to open to the new information about what, not only what I am doing, but what I have been doing, you know, for years in industry, in business and so on. It's something which is blocking us because we are very scared to be wrong.
Keith Cutter:Right right.
Pawel Wypychowski:So that's the reason. Then we go to the other thing, which is I think you touch on it in your blog post on Substack. There are several things which we can based on the knowledge about the Schumann resonance and synchronization with the brain or with the neural system of all the mammals actually not only human on this planet. And then the signal, which is very similar frequency, because human resonance, first of all, it's not only 8 hertz or 7.83 Hz, it's just the dominant frequency, but it's a spectrum from actually 2 Hz to about 60 Hz, and the 7.83 Hz is just the mean value of the dominant frequency, but anyway, our brain waves are in that range. And what actually happens when you have two generators? One is the biological one inside your body which sets the clock, and then you have the other generator which actually is used to synchronize that, and the very weak one it's about. If I remember well, the electric component of the Schumann resonance is about 0.3 millivolts per square meter.
Pawel Wypychowski:Anyway it's not more than millivolts per meter. Anyway, it's not more than millivolts per meter. We don't remember well, I had this information. So it's a very tiny signal. And then you have a wireless router which gives you, of course, through modulation, through the carrier wave, which is 2.4 or 5.8, or even higher now because the Wi-Fi goes actually up in the frequency, the new, the new generations of Wi-Fi, and you have, over this carrier, you have this, this pulse modulation of 10 hertz. And then that there is in electronics, for example, if, if you have one generator which is not really that powerful, your brain function is actually sweeping to the other frequency. So you may say that that's not that important, but I would say we have different people. Now, okay, the thinking is not the same, because the functioning of the whole neural network is not the same, are you?
Keith Cutter:saying that people are not thinking very well anymore.
Pawel Wypychowski:I mean, this is well or not well, it depends on the criteria of the assessment. For example, if you use stimulant and if you are in a reasonably good health, so you have quite a reserve of your assets, let's call it like that then using stimulant you get to the higher level of performance, also mentally, like people using nicotine, for example, in different forms you are mentally actually more capable on this nicotine. But then what is afterwards? Actually, any stimulant only works, assuming that at the later stage there would be a phase of regeneration. In other words, when you are using a stimulant you are taking credit. Okay, you are taking credit, and if you have an account full of vitality you can take it, no problem at all. That is the one condition.
Pawel Wypychowski:The second condition is that afterwards you will have an environment when you can rest and regenerate and actually with the people with electro-hypersensitivity and the people like in the state when I was 17 years ago, both conditions are not met, all right. So then when you use stimulant, then you collapse even more because you do not have any account, and then you cannot find a way from collapse because you cannot regenerate, because the environment doesn't allow you. So that's the thinking about the stimulants. Therefore, we will have different responses from people at different health level. Different responses from people at different health level. So we should not assume what is assumed in many clinical studies in medicine, which are simply statistical approaches, what is assumed that and we are looking also for that in trying to find out if electromagnetic waves are actually good or bad for health and I'm always asking for which person's health? Because you have as much as you can tell bad things about smoking cigarette smoking, I mean tobacco smoking then you have to admit first of all it cuts the Parkinson's disease risk by half, Right?
Keith Cutter:So, something is going on here.
Pawel Wypychowski:And why is this cutting the Parkinson's risk by half? If you have any drug on the market which is cutting Parkinson's disease by half, that would be the magic drug. But then you have tobacco smoking, but there are other effects. And then you find people who are smoking all their lives. Usually those people are not smoking much, but they are smoking throughout their lives and then live to 95 or 100 years with clear mind and without any problems. And then you have other people who are smoking, but then with health deteriorating very quickly and dying for this or that disease.
Pawel Wypychowski:Medicine tried to point out to lung cancer, but now it's turning out the other way. The lung cancer which is so-called non-smoking related lung cancer is on the rise. So we eliminated what we thought, because in culture now it's not allowed to smoke. But we still don't understand the mechanism. So this is about stimulants. Therefore, the same goes for the electromagnetic radiation and, for example, light at other times. If you put yourself before the computer screen in the evening when you should not do the thing, the result will be different depending on the level of health you are. For the healthy people, which are now very rare, let's say for healthy people it would be okay, with some very tiny symptoms of being not really refreshed, not really refreshed, but then they can go on like that for quite a period of time and then they regenerate quite quickly, even in not perfect environment. But they have very I am telling that they have a good regulation capacity, which is telling that they, let's say, the information coherence in their organism is very good. And that will be. The same experiment will give quite different results, actually sometimes dramatically different, for the people who are, say, in debt or simply with lower regulatory capacity, because they are very easily out of regulation and then the hell breaks loose, then all the things are going downhill and then, if they are prevented from the environment where the body can rest, they cannot recover from that and then becomes chronic.
Pawel Wypychowski:So what I'm saying? The electromagnetic, what you call very correctly synthetic electromagnetic environment is actually doing just that. It's just making the healthy life tough, the healthy life tough. So we will have people who are still in the good regulatory capacity and therefore we have those non-believers and those people who do not feel anything. They can use it for hours and hours straight and no problem with that.
Pawel Wypychowski:So they think so, because there will be also a subgroup of those people who are already experiencing symptoms of electromagnetic or synthetic electromagnetic fields, but they do not connect the dots. They just do not connect the dots. That would be the subgroup. But there will be also others who just don't feel anything in connection to that because their level of health or regulatory capacity is high. But the environment is getting worse and worse and worse and we are all getting older. So you should expect that your regulatory capacity will go downhill anyway, even from the simple life fact that you are getting older. And I am talking now about getting older in a natural way. I am talking now about getting older in natural way, not in the express way by the bad environment, or the exception is if the emergency room medicine, so saving your life, okay, because if you do not save your life, then there is no chance for a generation.
Pawel Wypychowski:That's. That's very simple. And so what the Wi-Fi does is actually a lot of things, and we have to also take into account that this is not only this beacon signal, that is also a lot of data going through it. And I have many clients for consultation and also many people collaborating with me which actually telling me and say, paweł, you know, I had no problem with the old Wi-Fi routers, I could just, you know, work with them, I had them in my office and so on and so forth.
Pawel Wypychowski:But then I put this new Wi-Fi 7 router or the new router with the MIMO antennas and so on, and then I cannot stand it. I cannot stand it, even after one hour or two hours. I just feel very nervous. I just start this thing. Those are the people who are not electro-hypersensitive, they are working in city environments and so on, and they just change the router. But they were aware of it before because they met me or maybe they read things which I did, and they put such a report.
Pawel Wypychowski:And for me it's really not a mystery because, if you take the basic, I mean I try to explain how I think about the electromagnetic, synthetic electromagnetic interference to life. Because first of all, we have to treat it as interference. And why so? Because we have the electromagnetic system inside our bodies, not only inside, but it's a little bit bigger than we think, I mean beyond the border of our body. So we have electromagnetic communication there and then all synthetic fields which are not, let's say, coherent with this have to be considered as an interference for this communication.
Pawel Wypychowski:And if you look at those things that way, then you can apply simple, quite simple law of Shannon Halflight here about the information. See that to communicate information with a faster bitrate, so more information to be sent in time, then you need more bandwidth, so you need more frequencies to use it, because this is not about telecommunication, it is not about one frequency anymore. People are talking about the frequency of 5G, but this is always channel. This is a set of frequencies which is in 5G, for example, in the range from, let's say, 2 GHz to 10 GHz, now even, or maybe to 6 GHz, for now mostly the channel can be up to 100 MHz, the one channel, and you can have several channels on the one base station. So this is 100 megahertz and if you compare it to 3G, this was 3.84.
Keith Cutter:I think a lot of people lose perspective on that. It's kind of like in the past. Maybe we can think that we had a two-lane road with our telecommunications capability cellular, cellular traffic, voice and data and then one of the things that happened with 5g and I'm not even talking about the, uh, the millimeter wave stuff, but one of the things that happened, at least here in the states is they made the band allocations much broader, so more like a 10-lane highway instead of a two-lane country road, and so a lot more frequencies involved. And then you have the signal mixing and all those things that go with it.
Pawel Wypychowski:But I agree with what you're saying. Did you ask your group why they did so Did?
Keith Cutter:you ask your group, why they did so I don't think they asked us for permission.
Pawel Wypychowski:But that is a very simple answer to that and very revealing if I tell you I mean they had to because of the physical reality. If you have consumers who wants more data and faster, you and and you we are talking about the wireless communication you cannot do otherwise so, and higher resolution, that's a huge but that's the same.
Pawel Wypychowski:I mean the higher, the higher resolution movie you are watching on your headset, it's actually requiring more data in a time. So then if you require that, they have to broaden the bandwidth. And because the bandwidth is already scarce at the lower frequencies, then there was a move to the millimeter wave, when it's still available. But there are costs because in millimeter wave, trying to push the communication through the air, which is the very, very, very lousy environment for putting the electromagnetic telecommunication For example, people are now using mobile and they are talking about the energy saving and I ask them the question do you know what is the comparison between the fiber optic telecommunication and the mobile communication from the mobile tower, for example, for one kilometer distance, and it's about that's an estimate but gives you just about like five to six orders of magnitude.
Pawel Wypychowski:Five to six orders of magnitude, so like 600,000 times less energy is needed to transfer the information through the fiber optic than through the air on this planet. So if you have the society who is simply idiotic and unaware of this physical reality and asking and paying for I want to have wireless for my convenience, then I want to have very fast data and I want to watch the 4K movie on my smartphone, then there is no other way around for the industry to respond.
Keith Cutter:Right, right, yes, so, and you know, you were talking about the difference between fiber optic and wireless. And in addition, of course, banks and large corporations don't use wireless because of the security issues.
Pawel Wypychowski:Sure, so the fiber reason is more secure.
Keith Cutter:It uses less power, as you've already mentioned as well, so there are some really good reasons to to use fiber optic. I don't know that there is any way to move data through the air that's proven to be without physiologic effect.
Pawel Wypychowski:No, that's that. I mean we evolved in the electromagnetic environment of this earth, okay, and so we in other way you can. If you have another set of beliefs and you say that this was the God creation, that's okay, it doesn't really matter. But we were best prepared and best or best evolved for that electromagnetic condition and the natural electromagnetic fields phenomena actually are proved to be indispensable for health. So if we put any artificial electromagnetic fields, of course there will be differences in the, let's say, quality of that and quality of disturbance. But we, if we put in principle, if you put anything which is not natural, no, there will be consequences, there's no other way around. And the and the level of natural things should makes, should make us think, because the level is very tiny one.
Keith Cutter:Right, whereas we have these unlimited increases in the synthetic fields. But I'd like to pivot a little bit here and begin talking about how did you get better? I know how I got better. It was embracing the natural fields and eliminating to a large extent the synthetic fields. But how did you get better? How do you see other people getting better?
Pawel Wypychowski:That was a long story and I started not from. I mean, I started with reduction of made in the in the, let's say, last, probably 10 years, when I was much more aware already about it. It was, it was actually the simple thing which I call the optimization of signal-to-noise ratio, so the natural signal to artificial noise, because the technology is doing the other way around. For them, the noise is what is natural. For example, thermal noise is the noise for telecommunication industry, and there is the information sent through the air which is signal For life. This is the other way around. This is artificial signal which is disturbing your biology. And then you have to take into account the whole spectrum, so you have to include the light also. You have to take into account the whole spectrum, so you have to include the light also. And then I say optimization, because it's not really. You cannot really maximize it, because that's not a point, but you have to optimize it not only in terms of intensity but also in terms of time and also in terms of coherence with the natural cycles. So it's much more important to take out the artificial light at night from your environment also. Artificial electromagnetic fields in the microwave range and in the radio range is much more important at night than it is in the day. So if you know that and if you understand that, that you have to optimize, then you take more time to be in nature, in natural fields and with the natural light and with the natural light, and then you try to regenerate in the environment which is as silent as possible from the artificial light which is at night. Actually, our body is very sensitive to any disturbance from the electromagnetic fields, including light. So that's the basic strategy. The most difficult thing is to apply it in the individual life, and so the strategy is really very, very simple. So you have to just optimize that and also that's going a little bit farther, but I want to just put a seed of it, and maybe we'll discuss that further at another occasion.
Pawel Wypychowski:Try to understand that food has also an information, a life information property, and so you can choose food by all those diet experts and so on, which is usually not so good, and diet yourself and so on. But start thinking about the electromagnetic information in food as your ally also, and then you start thinking about and also being coherent with your environment. So, for example, you don't eat a food which is not grown under your sun. That's the one reason and one recipe. Of course you have to adapt to it, to your possibilities and your limitations, but that's very simple. If you think about it that way, that's also electromagnetic signal, the life signal, taken and frozen into plant or animal which eaten that plant and you get it. And if it's coherent with you in that environment, that will help. If it's incoherent, that is disturbance. Okay, so that's one thing which I think is a little bit broader discussion needed for that.
Pawel Wypychowski:But I am seeing the things like also electromagnetic fields. We have to take them with another dimension, with the information dimension. We are so focused now on the intensity of it, but the intensity is not all you have. The information and energy have very strange relation. It's not that simple. You can transmit a lot of information in very low energy and you can transmit a lot of energy without any information. So that's another dimension.
Pawel Wypychowski:So you can have a signal which is from this electromagnetic perspective. You can have a signal which is quite strong but which actually carries not a lot of information and, by the same token, disinformation for your system. And you can find that already in the studies, because if you look, for example, in the guidelines of the European 2016,. You have already very different guidelines for AM radio than for the Wi-Fi. And why so? Because the signal is completely different and then you have three orders of magnitude difference for the acceptable level of it.
Pawel Wypychowski:So I think trying to to judge all the signals now by the same intensity level is just simply wrong. But, on the other hand, most of the, if not all of the modern telecommunication signals are bad or even worse, or even worse. So that's how I feel. So it's really a competition between your body communicating to all your organs and back and so on with the signals from the outside. And it's a competition if you, if you have a good level of health, you, you can survive in the environment because your signals are coherent and your receivers I mean your body as a receiving. As a receiving body is very selective, so it's able to tune to the Schumann resonance, for example, and actually not to the artificial field. So it's called discrimination in electronics and telecommunications. So the high level of discrimination of the junk signal is very much required and it's actually synonym with health and with coherence.
Pawel Wypychowski:So you asked the question what helped me? I think that basic rules relentlessly applied to many things in life and it's always hard and sometimes you know that you are not doing the right thing because you cannot because of the other limitations of life. But that should not discourage you, because then you are aware of it, so you can. You can set your strategy to find, in the meantime, find better ways. Okay, so if I find other options and I think those people who are in the, let's say, so-called good position, having a lot of money, they found that they are electrohypersensitive but they can spend a lot of money on shielding or moving and other things and so on On one hand they are helping easier, but on the other hand, I think in the end they are not doing good because they do not pay attention to understanding and to trying to find the small things which they can change every day.
Pawel Wypychowski:And the other thing which I found out, which is, I think it's extremely important, is that you have to focus on your daily routines and daily things how you do it and how you, how you do it, the the things like two or three weeks vacation, and those things doesn't matter. I mean, they don't matter at all. For example, if you set yourself for a trip to the country with better weather or more sun for three weeks, then the stress from the trip would be much worse than the gains from changing the weather. So that's not something you should spend a lot of money on. You should focus on the daily things to make your days working days, especially with the awareness of the time to restore your energy, the time for the? I mean, how much time do you spend in the electromagnetic free environment? So, for example, a lot of people are discussing those things.
Pawel Wypychowski:What should I do with my wireless router? You know, switching this off at night, that's a good strategy, and so on. I just don't comprehend those people. Throw it out of the window to the trash, don't try to sell it to other people because you are doing. You know, I do not find if you start to be aware about this electromagnetic environment and how it makes your life much more difficult. I mean, from the health perspective, I just cannot find any human justification for keeping that fucking router. Okay, so laying the cables is a problem, really, you know, it's just.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, on a similar note, I had a client recently want to give me about $10,000 worth of harmonizers. She realized that these were not helping her and she was very generously wanting to just give them to me and I can go sell them or whatever I want to do. And, of course, how could I do that in integrity? You, know, those things, the routers, they need to be thrown away.
Keith Cutter:So you covered a lot of ground with regard to getting better, both yourself and how you see other people, and I think all of those are so important. And this business of the information content being just as important, or perhaps more important than the intensity, I think is something that a lot of people don't really recognize. So when you're moving information through the ether or through the air, there's a cost to that, and the more information you're moving over the same period of time and a broader bandwidth, you know a number of different places. It's somebody's going to have to pay for that, so do you have. And the whole discussion is signal to noise. I think is brilliant. I think that's a great way of looking at it For people who have never, they're not familiar with this term.
Keith Cutter:Signal to noise, you know, think about it very simply as a. You have a favorite radio station. It's not online, it's not on the internet, it's not on your computer, anywhere, it's on a. You know actual radio and you're listening and the station is far away and you hear it very clearly. Um, but then other stations are, are placed in the environment and whatnot, and you have trouble tuning in exactly to the one that you want to hear.
Keith Cutter:So this is an example of the signal that you always listen to and found benefit from hasn't changed. It's just you have more noise in the environment, so the best way to reduce the noise, of course, is closest to you because of the inverse square law. So you can control. You have control over the things in your domain, in your own home, and you can choose not to expose yourself, get rid of all the wireless and whatnot not so much with the environmental issues and improving your own personal coherence and whatnot. That's great. If people take it to the extreme, you end up living in a shielded home, and so you and I this is the first time we've talked, but we exchanged a couple of emails and you have a concern about living in a a well-shielded home and I wonder if you'd talk about that a little bit.
Pawel Wypychowski:Oh, I actually am quite pro-shielded homes, but still applying the same principle, as I told you. I mean, if you think about it, like and this is typical American thinking which is proliferating to the, to the all western world I mean more is always better, okay, and that then you intensify, intensify to the max, and that's, that's not. This is why I'm I am talking about optimizing, you know. This is why I am talking about optimizing Shielding. It's a very I mean this type of shielding which we are actually applying typically in the clients or our own houses. It's actually very much helpful if it's, of course, done well, if it's, of course, done well and it's quite selective in terms of natural fields, because, if you think about it, it's like if you put canopy over your bed or you shield with the paint or with the wallpaper, shielding wallpaper and so on All those materials actually are shielding very well in the radio frequency range and microwave range. Of course, if the shield is tight, because no openings and slots, but in terms of the magnetic component of Schumann resonance, which turns out to be a little more important than electric field, it's actually that those shields are transparent For the magnetostatic field of the earth, which is also very important for the health. Those shields are transparent, completely. So the only thing which you actually reduce is the electric component of the Schumann resonance. That's the one thing, but that's actually the exactly same scenario, like sleeping in the cave or sleeping in the earth hole, which was evolutionary way of doing sleeping by humans. So I think it's evolutionary quite a good way if you remember that you have to get out from this house in the morning and not stay there for the whole day or for the day and night, day and night, because then you don't get the light properly, then you don't move and moving not really doing sports, but moving, walking and so on.
Pawel Wypychowski:It's all those piezoelectric signals from oreo collagen in your bones and in and in your muscles and in your skin and so on. Collagen is piezoelectric material. So electric signals to the brain and so on, that you are walking, that you are walking, that you can stand up, that you are walking. That's the life information, and if you prevent yourself from that, that's not a good thing. And if you prevent yourself from that, that's not a good thing.
Pawel Wypychowski:If you lay you have a very different relation to the polarization of the electromagnetic fields than when you stand. So, for example, the so-called fair weather electrostatic field which is everywhere in nature, not in your house and not in the city, everywhere in nature or in very remote cabin which is, you know, disconnected from the grid completely, and so on. This field is about about 100 volts per meter. So your head has actually about 180 volts higher potential than your feet and you think that that has no meaning for the body. Oh, it does. And when you are laying the situation is completely different and also the, your relation to the, to the magnetic field of the earth, completely changes also. So I don't know.
Pawel Wypychowski:But one thing struck me a lot.
Pawel Wypychowski:It's just that do you know magnetic resonance technique for the medicine, when you visualize the tissues and so on, with the very strong magnetic field, actually up to even 4 Tesla or something like that, and then rotating fields of kilohertz range typically, but higher frequencies, and there is such a technique which is possible in the field of the earth, so in this about 45 Teslas.
Pawel Wypychowski:So I just wonder if our body just doesn't do like magnetic resonance in the field earth when we are laying, and that is the reason why the building biologist has this measurement of the gradient of the magnetic field of the earth over the bed because the field should be uniform. Okay, probably because the body is seeing itself in this field and nobody actually tried to study that, just my hypothesis. And you have to take into account how complex this system is and how everything is actually taken together by life to just amazingly communicate and build, let's say, optimal health for the person, and that's something that the people don't understand. So if you shield your home very well, then don't try to treat it as a castle and don't stay there all the time, because that's not the solution.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, you would have to ignore the natural electromagnetic fields and and just imagine that they have no meaning. You mentioned the vertically oriented electric field.
Keith Cutter:That varies you know, according to storms and whatnot. But yeah, there is sort of that static level that you talked about. It's not small, I mean, it's a huge gradient. Yeah, it is, and you would just have to assume that that has no purpose. So I appreciate your comments about laying down versus standing, in order that your body will reflect that gradient. And then magnetic field there's this sort of stationary field that points to the north.
Pawel Wypychowski:It's strong enough to pull a compass needle and if we're not honoring that, we would just have to imagine that that has no effect on life into account, that it's not only the magnitude of this field but it is a vector, so it has direction in the three-dimensional space and that's very complex over life. But birds are actually using this vector changes of the magnetic field to navigate, and we know that they do so and also butterflies, and there are butterflies flying from the Canada to the Africa simply navigating by that mechanism. But those who actually reach Africa are three or four generations than those which started in Canada.
Pawel Wypychowski:So this mechanism is over generation even it's coupled on that. So if you just and they have no GPS and they still navigate quite efficiently, and through the generations, the mechanism is going through the generations. I can put the lamp here with the electric fields of 100 volts and work with that and so on in the vicinity of such an environment, and then computer and computer screen and this and that, then we are just I cannot find a good word, but this is simply idiotic. It's simply idiotic to feel that way or to think that way, but of course it's beneficial for many interests of very many people. And then there is that mechanism which I told before, the psychological mechanism, which is very.
Pawel Wypychowski:I think we should learn in elementary school to not to be prey for that psychological mechanism by admitting that we were wrong, Because that's the prerequisite of learning.
Pawel Wypychowski:If we are scared of being wrong, then we will not go very far with the understanding of the life and health and everything else. So I am just devastated by how strong this mechanism is and how strong it is in the society that the people are not. You know, they somehow cannot distinguish between me and my beliefs. They think that the belief, but the belief that also should be taught in the elementary school that the belief is only a mental construct. It's nothing else. There is no real belief. I mean there is no reality to be touched. There is no real belief. I mean there is no reality to be touched. And then people are eager to kill for beliefs, but that's only the mental construct. So if I had a not good mental construct before then I should feel great to admit that I found that this was not the right way to think about it, and then I'm curious to find better ways. But that's not very common.
Keith Cutter:Yeah, I agree, we are living in a quite unusual time, maybe unprecedented in history, maybe unprecedented in history, and this ability to form new opinions based on information seems to be becoming increasingly rare, and people's desire to conform with what other people are doing, taking their signals from the environment. It's very interesting. I think a lot of people own cell phones and use cell phones. Because a lot of people own cell phones and use cell phones, what I'm saying is it's normal, it's become normal to put this microwave oven up to your head uh, basically, and, uh, and, and use it that way, simply because, um, basically, other people doing it and it's very difficult for people to form new.
Pawel Wypychowski:It's the same that we touched on just just a couple of minutes ago.
Pawel Wypychowski:It's just like you know, throw away your router, your Wi Fi router. Okay, and that's the most common thing you hear is like I can't, I can't because. And then you have a set of explanations, and this first one I can't is the most important one, because this is the belief of the person that she or he cannot okay, he cannot do without it. And then if you show them even that you can use cables and you can even connect your smartphone by this type of thing and use it completely without radiation, and you have all your apps on your phone and so on and so forth, you can do it then it's still not convincing for them, because you know I have to put the cable and it's uncomfortable.
Keith Cutter:Okay, yeah, I've spent a lot of time when I was very sick. I had a lot of time on my hands because I sounds like you as well couldn't work, and so I have a theory that it is our desire, our unquenchable desire for convenience, amusement and stimulation that led us into this entire realm of living and working in artificial electromagnetic environments.
Keith Cutter:But we'll have to leave that for another for another discussion but um, yeah, I want to thank you very much for uh for your time today, and is there a way that people can get in touch with your work?
Pawel Wypychowski:Unfortunately I am still short on that. I have a Patreon blog which is about electromagnetic vitality engineering, which I call it. So if, which I call it, but it's mostly, mostly, let's say, not alive. By not saying I don't want to say that, but but really I, I was unable to, so work on it as much as I wanted. I hope the situation to change. I am available and I am commenting on LinkedIn so people can find me on LinkedIn and then can follow me and find comments and other things.
Pawel Wypychowski:I try to comment to the things related to the electromagnetic environments and beyond also, which I feel are connected to it and to the, let's say, human thinking, independent thinking.
Pawel Wypychowski:This is something which is very important for me, especially in this, in those times we are living.
Pawel Wypychowski:But this Patreon blog, I will try to, I will try to revive it in in the coming months and most probably there will be more articles and also Q&A sessions with me on video and when the people can ask questions and it's probably a little bit different level than most people are talking about and especially those most popular shows which are trying to sell all those things. I have quite a critical approach, not because I don't like this or that people or that company or that meter or that thing, but because I want people first to understand, not to, not to just buy this or that or give them the recipe. My way is that I think it was a Roger Penrose who just said that knowing why the rules work and why they are that way gives you much more than just following the rules. Some of my clients are saying that you know, I know that you know all those things, but I don't have time to listen to you and so on, and just give me the solution.
Pawel Wypychowski:Just give me the solution. I very much dislike to work for them, because my solution, actually my most valuable solution, is to give people the framework for understanding what is going on with their health and with the electromagnetic environment, and then the tools to navigate in this world. But the course and the navigation is theirs, not mine. Okay, I cannot do this and I would not like to do this. And if they find things different than me, then I am not only okay, I feel great about it and I want to hear it and I want to learn from that.
Pawel Wypychowski:So I put the things usually when I'm making the courses, for example, or trainings or things like that, I usually now start them with the following frame that I don't want to tell you what you should do or you shouldn't do. I don't want to tell you with authority anything about the electromagnetic fields and so on. I just have 17 years of my own study, experiments and reversing my health conditions and those things, and I want to tell you about it, how I see those things, how I see those things are connected and what I feel is important, what is less important, and so on and so forth. And that's the frame which I would like to work from, because, if our way crossed, that's the best thing we can do each other. That's the best thing. Yes, that's the best thing we can do each other, that's the best thing.
Keith Cutter:Yes, that's great, and I so much agree with your observation that most people just want a pill or a book, or not even a book. They want some kind of magic thing that they're going to do or they're going to take and it's going to make it all go away. But we're dealing with a much bigger picture here and it all has to do with optimizing that signal-to-noise ratio, and that's something that you or I can't do for somebody else. They need to. We can help them with a proper environment and learning the way, but then they've got to walk in that as well. So I really appreciate that.
Keith Cutter:I hope we can get you back again when you're ready to talk about any of these specific issues and more. I'm sure we could talk endlessly. But thank you, pavel, so much for your time today. I appreciate it. I really appreciate people who are in the afflicted camp and they've suffered greatly and come out of that on the other side with a desire to help other people. I think that is really telling. So I appreciate all the work that you're doing to try to help people and thanks again for being here.
Pawel Wypychowski:Thank you very much, and thank you for having me. It's an honor.
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