150 Your Cell Phone is Not Safe, Julia Lupine's New Book

Homesteader and former cave-dwelling EHS refugee Julia Lupine returns to explain why “effective avoidance”—not pendants, diodes, harmonizers, or “scalar” gizmos—drives faster recovery and real resilience. We dig into life off-grid (wildfires, goats, broken solar), community fights over new towers (with practical tactics via attorney Andrew Campanelli), and the core science behind her new book Your Cell Phone Is Not Safe—blood-brain-barrier leakage, cancer signals, ADHD, fertility impacts, and tech addiction. For those newly sensitized, Julia lays out first steps to cut RF at home, avoid common detours, and start feeling human again. Plus: her Substack series on off-grid skills and where to support her work.

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Chapters

• 0:00 From Cave Refugee to Advocate
• 8:32 Off-Grid Setbacks, Resilience, and Recovery
• 10:22 Effective Avoidance and Ultra-Low RF Living
• 12:32 Small-Town Tower Battles and Policy Levers
• 22:22 Debunking “No Effect” Studies
• 28:57 New Book: Your Cell Phone Is Not Safe
• 35:42 Children, Pregnancy, and ADHD Links
• 42:12 Fertility, Breast Cancer Patterns, and Risk
• 50:12 Blood-Brain Barrier, Headaches, and History
• 56:42 Living With EHS: Triage and Tactics
• 1:02:12 No Magic Pendants: What Actually Works
• 1:09:12 Tech Alternatives and Systemic Change
• 1:13:32 Practical Off-Grid Skills That Expand Options

Transcript

Keith Cutter: 4:02

Have you ever heard of anybody getting better? And I define getting better as decreased sensitivity and increased resilience from harmonizers or diodes or scalar energy and blah blah all that kind of stuff.

Julia Lupine: 4:16

No. I'm inclined to think that they are snake oil.

Keith Cutter: 4:22

My guest today is Julia Lupine, homesteader and former cave-dwelling electrosensitive refugee. She's a tireless advocate for public awareness about the wireless problem. She lives off-grid in the American West with a bunch of cats and goats. Julia, welcome back to the EMF Remedy Podcast.

Julia Lupine: 4:43

Thanks for having me on.

Keith Cutter: 4:46

Has the last year been a challenge for you? Have you had nothing to do but leisurely sit and uh write your book? Or how have things been?

Julia Lupine: 4:57

There's some of that, but then there's always something chaotic going on with the goats or um horrible wildfires um threatening the whole valley, um which happened this summer. We almost had to evacuate. Um, and then drought and grasshoppers and um solar mishaps. Um my solar panels to my well got hit by a dust devil and they went flying in the air. So we were without water. And then it's impossible to get an electrician. We're in a time warp here. That's what I figured because it's impossible to, no matter who I call to work out here, um, whether I'm paying, you know, and these are people I'm paying, they still don't show up. So anyway, we were two weeks without water. So just hauling water from town and the river or the goats and the crops, managed to save the whole garden and get the solar, eventually get the solar fixed. Um, so just life around the farm. Um, there's some leisure time too.

Keith Cutter: 5:59

And a few, and a few challenges, more than a few challenges there.

Julia Lupine: 6:03

But better, definitely better than the challenges of living in the fields in town.

Keith Cutter: 6:08

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So on that note, uh tell me, how are you doing with regard to uh your sensitivity and your resilience? Are you more sensitive than you were before or less? And are you able to more quickly recover or does it take about the same amount of time?

Julia Lupine: 6:28

Right. Um, sensitivity is probably about the same, but recovery is much faster.

Keith Cutter: 6:34

Um what do you attribute that to?

Julia Lupine: 6:38

Uh definitely just being away from it. I barely ever have to go to town anymore. So, and um so I recover maybe once a month on average. So I recover um fast when I do, and I can handle a little bit of EMF exposure and um bounce back pretty quickly. And most of the time I'm in I'm in fields of RF um 0.0001 microwatts per meter square, which is really good.

Keith Cutter: 7:09

Um Wow, that is that is really good. So for you, it's all about uh effective avoidance, is that right?

Julia Lupine: 7:17

Right. And of course, um Verizon's been making a lot of moves in the surrounding communities, so it's always concern. I could definitely lose my sanctuary at any time, and because two cell towers went up in the nearby town, and there was luckily a lot of public resistance against it. Um people are really waking up to this, but it's kind of too late because they moved in anyway.

Keith Cutter: 7:45

Oh Ver I Verizon moved in anyway.

Julia Lupine: 7:48

Yeah, and then they're not in, they're still my valley, still there's a cell tower maybe 10 miles away, so there's maybe one bar on a cell phone here, which I don't feel or notice. And um, and it but people can still get self-service but not be overly radiated by it, and I'm just hoping they keep it that way, but um anyway, it's something something that I sometimes have anxiety about, but I just try to take it one day at a time and not worry too much.

Keith Cutter: 8:22

Yeah, when the whole world um views it as service and we view it as uh a xenotoxic uh poisoning of the environment, it's um it's kind of um alarming, you know, to live in that way and to know that we we just don't have any protection today against involuntary exposures. Do you feel the same?

Julia Lupine: 8:51

Yeah, yeah, it's really frustrating. And um, you know, I joined Facebook a couple of years ago, and I found that I enjoy arguing on message boards way more than I should. So there's this ongoing argument about the tower, and I join in once in a while because I have more facts than anyone else does in the chat. So I linked them to Martin Paul's work on the voltage-gated calcium channels and different um known uh mainstream sources talking about environmental and health effects. And um, of course, some people are like, hey, you don't even live here. Like what and but I got a lot of people who uh found it really informative. And then there's also, and there's been town meetings going on about it because a lot of people don't want the cell tower here, luckily. And so I um wasn't able to attend the meetings, but I talked to the main person who was fighting it because it was going to be next door to her and she didn't want it there. So I called her and told her about this lawyer, Andrew Campanelli, who I talk about in the book. And he's he's been um really instrumental in helping people fight cell towers because the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which takes basically takes away our right to oppose any cell tower on on the basis of health and environmental reasons. Um, what people don't know is that you can stop a cell tower if um I there's five main facts that um you can use again. One of them is if you can if you can prove that there's no gap in service of any carrier, then you can oppose it. And you also have some leeway in the decision-making process of where to put it. Like if you don't want it next to a school and you propose an alternate location for it, which I wouldn't want it anywhere, but at least um so ultimately what happened in in our town was they were able to move it away from the school and out toward the airport where there aren't a lot of people anyway, which is a small victory. I mean, it's still there and still a problem, but at least it's not right next to the kids' school like it was.

Keith Cutter: 15:14

Yeah, so um what do you think about the fact that when opposing a cell phone tower uh placement, that we can't use the one and only argument that should make the most difference, which is you know, danger to life on Earth.

Julia Lupine: 15:32

Yeah. I mean, obviously it's a bunch of BS, but um, you have just have to be creative. You can also say that it's ugly, which it is, and no one can really deny that. And so they they were trying to fight it in another nearby small town. They were it was a scenic byway, and they said that it would be ugly that it would be ugly and destroy the integrity of the um of the scenery, and they actually lost on that count, but some people have won on that count, and you just have to, and then also um when they're doing their propagation, they um when they're like uh you have to prove that there's no that there's no gap in coverage, and they can just tell you there's a gap in coverage. And this lawyer, Andrew Campanelli, he said no, like you make them prove it, that you have to go and go out and spend their time and money and do surveys and just keep messing with them until they break down, basically. And also if they sue you and sue your town, he said, Don't worry about it, just don't pay them a penny. There's nothing they can actually do to collect.

Keith Cutter: 16:42

Oh, that's very interesting. I hadn't heard that part before.

Julia Lupine: 16:45

They try to scare us, but and they have a lot of lawyers and more money than we do. But if enough people just keep fighting them, then that's um at least gonna help. And it seems like this is happening nationwide that people are opposing them. But the problem, of course, that we know is that there's people are still using cell phones, so until they stop doing that, then they're still gonna be trying to put up towers.

Keith Cutter: 17:13

Yeah, it's really um addiction-based, do you think?

Julia Lupine: 17:18

Uh, totally. And one thing I talk about in my newest book, actually, I go kind of into the addiction because I started to almost get addicted to it myself, like looking up evidence. Um, and especially since it was such a personal topic, my newest one that isn't out yet, electrosensorship, is about um the telecommunication industry's efforts to discredit the the um people dealing with electromagnetic radiation syndrome. They basically get people, like the most famous study was done by James Rubin, who wrote the Wikipedia article on electrosensitivity. And what Rubin did is he found a bunch of people who they weren't even really clinical people like us who live out in remote areas. They were people living in cities, London mostly, because that's where he's based. And they re he put up some ads at healthcare centers and put an ad in the newspaper, I think, asking for people who have who felt headaches from their mobile cell phone use. And he took these people and put a headset on them, simulating frequencies from a cell phone, and zapped them with it and had them guess whether it was in um zapping mode or in sham mode. And what he found was there was no difference. So that's what people will pull up on their smartphone when they're trying to discredit you. And so what I did was I went and read his the article or read the research papers in detail. And I found there were some major problems with the study's methodology. And the main one being that the device wasn't even off in sham mode. It still had some magnetic fields that I wrote to you about for your opinion on it. And anyway, it was still um, it was a lot weaker than when it was in on mode. But as you and I both know, even a small exposure can still cause effects. Like I wouldn't have wanted that thing strapped to my head. So they guessed about six, um, the controls guessed um a more rant, a more variable number of times whether it was off or on. But the the people reporting headaches from their cell phone, they guessed about 60% um across the board whether it was on or off. So I think that in itself tells us something. And then also it was in an unshielded room. Um, so there could have been a Wi-Fi router next door. And um and then so I compared and contrasted that study with the studies of Magda Havis and Ola Johansson and others who did provocation studies where um they did find results. And these studies were set up a lot better with more scientific protocol and actually measuring the background levels of radiation. Um and I but they're not the art the studies that you read about on Wikipedia.

Keith Cutter: 20:22

Right, right. And that's that's gonna be the topic of your third book, is that the um maybe the manipulation of of information and whatnot as I understand it. But let's let's talk about um your brand new book, the one that's just um just been published. And it is called Your Cell Phone Is Not Safe. So a very subtle title there, and I'm gonna show the front cover of the book. So why did you why did you write this book?

Julia Lupine: 21:02

Well, I um um Under a Rock is about my personal story and tips and tricks that you can do to navigate the electromagnetic world in which we live as a person dealing with um electromagnetic poisoning. Um and I realized that it was a little light on the science and that I actually needed to go more into the studies that have been done. So I started doing some research and reading research papers on um more of the other biological effects of EMF besides um electromagnetic um radiation syndrome, like also called electrosensitivity. And um, mostly I focused on the cancer studies and I tried to make it um short. I'm a really big fan of short chapters and just easy to read, um, something that somebody who's not a total nerd on the subject, like me, will pick up and maybe read a chapter and retain information, you know, people with short attention spans because they have cell phones. And I have an ebook version of it too, so people can even look it up on their cell phone and um and read about it. So I just open I open up with Lloyd's of London, the biggest insurance company in the world, actually an insurance underwriter who insures the insurance companies, they will not touch EMF. So anyone who's and they'll they insure all kinds of other things like Bob Dylan's vocal cords or um really random things. They even um take they're known for taking big risks like hurricanes and um things like that, but they won't touch EMF. So that should tell us more than anything because it's about for them, it's about the money, and they don't want to lose money, and they don't really care about um the health effects, they just don't want to lose money. So I open up with that. Then I go into the electromagnetic spectrum and how it affects people biologically and all life on earth biologically, and I go into the studies of the um different cancer research and research done by the telecommunications industry itself and what they find found, um, which is basically that there's no effects. But then if you actually read their studies and look at the fine print, um that sometimes tells a different story that there actually were some effects, but they rigged it in certain ways to minimize the um effects that were shown. And then um independent researchers and what they found when they weren't being backed by telecommunication industry money.

Keith Cutter: 23:54

And the cover kind of disarms people, frankly. And I think it creates interest in a way that other really heavy scientific tomes uh might be a little bit off-putting or or overwhelming. And so you've got these very brief chapters sometimes, I don't know, it seems like two to four pages and some some maybe a little bit longer. And yet it is full of of data from studies and and whatnot. So of all of this, what what are you getting in terms of feedback or what do you think might be the most intriguing for people to know that maybe if they're not aware of this as uh an electrosensitive and this is all new to them? What do you think is the most startling um part?

Julia Lupine: 24:50

Probably the classification as a to be carcinogen, because they might not realize that this that this isn't actually just some woo-woo um invisible thing. It's actually measurable and being taken seriously by large organizations. And then also just the corruption aspect and and the Lloyds of London, the insurance companies not covering it. So yeah, I just try to, I just really try to make it as accessible as possible to people because um you start talking about the electromagnetic spectrum and people's eyes immediately glaze over because we're not taught this, we're not taught about it in school at all. And when they when they do teach you that lesson in high school, it's so boring you fall asleep. So, and then um ever since like I did not understand what was happening at all when it first happened to me. I almost related it to the woo-woo because I was feeling this stuff, but it was invisible and nobody else felt it. And um I didn't even understand be the difference between electricity in the wall and electricity from the cell phone. It's like was so mysterious and inaccessible. So I just try to like relate, make it relatable. Okay, it's just the light spectrum, the invisible rainbow, except it's the parts of the rainbow we can't see. And some of it is really short millimeter waves, and some of it's really long waves, but they're all um a type of waveform that's incompatible with biology and different than anything that life on earth is um able to cope with.

Keith Cutter: 26:36

So is that is that what you think the problem is with um synthetic fields, is that they're not a part of nature, they're all man-made.

Julia Lupine: 26:44

Right. Yeah, they just um if you can feel it, it feels awesome and it or awful, um, not awesome. And if you can't feel it, it might give you cancer anyway, or diabetes or some other problem that it's been linked with.

Keith Cutter: 27:00

Um so you've done a lot of research in putting this book together, that's evident. Do you think that people who can't feel it are not being harmed by it, or just they can't feel it?

Julia Lupine: 27:10

They just can't feel it. Because people have all these problems, like for I actually talk about this in the newest book that isn't out yet, but have you heard of post uh POTS? It's post-orthostatic tachycardial syndrome. Um, that and it's it's electrosensitivity, it's so obvious. It's like the cordless phone studies by Magda Havis, people um who uh like 40% of the people who test who she tested, their heart rate doubled when there was a cordless phone, and they didn't know if it was if it was plugged in or not. And didn't it didn't matter if they knew it wasn't it wasn't in their head. It was um shown on an echocardiogram of their heart rate doubling, and that's what's happening to these people, and it's it's just all the um the usual symptoms that are so familiar to us, but they have no idea what it is in these kids. It's mostly young women that it happens to, and they're blogging about their experiences on social media and yeah, yeah.

Keith Cutter: 28:17

I was just uh thinking about the the portion of your book called Speaking of Distraction. Cell phones also are linked to ADHD. So is it okay if I read a little bit of your book here?

Julia Lupine: 28:32

Go for it.

Keith Cutter: 28:34

It says for a chilling preview of the neurological devastation that is likely to wreck wreak havoc on our species if we don't clean up our act. Just look at what it's doing to the kids. When I was a kid after I rode my dinosaur home from school, and Julia, you're not that old, so you can't really claim that. But I sometimes watch cartoons, but I also played outside, picked up rocks and flowers, wrote stories, built things in my dad's workshop, et cetera. Other kids seem to watch more TV than me, and also were less creative on average, but they played outside also. And they could generally speak in complete sentences at least. Compare this to the children of today, all they want to do is look at screens. They're good at playing video games and can operate a smartphone better than any adult, but if you take that phone away, they just look lost, wander around with a blank look, or I'm afraid we may be creating a race of autistic savants who will walk right into the trap of the metaverse, a 3D interactive internet world that will be accessed via virtual reality glasses or a brain chip. And it goes on to talk about Hugh Taylor, head of obstetrics at Yale University, and the uh the study that he did correlating children's hyperactivity with how often their moms talked on the phone during pregnancy and et cetera. So let's talk, let's talk a little bit about the potential danger to children.

Julia Lupine: 30:08

I feel horrible when I see kids with phones because their skulls are thinner than ours are. The safety, the safety test, which is already a joke to begin with, they test these phones on Sam, and Sam is a simulated anthropomorphic mannequin. He's a plastic head filled with salt water that they put a phone next to and they see if the fluid heats up. And if the fluid does heat up, they just move, put a spacer in between Sam and the phone so until it doesn't heat up. And then that the distance of the spacer is what they tell you in the fine microscopic print of their instruction manual. That's how far they say to put it from your head. But anyway, so Sam is based on a 200-pound army dude. There's no um like little Sam. There is no kid, and there's no um Samantha. And Sam also doesn't have pets or um, you know, and kids, so kids have a thinner skull, so the radiation penetrates deeper into their brain, and also their brains are still developing, so we shouldn't be zapping them with frequencies during this critical time. And I think that you can tell it's, I mean, I'm not saying it's the only factor, but there I noticed the rise in ADD in the 90s, which is when the towers started going up and personal computers became a mainstream thing. And I noticed the kids who had computers more had more problems. And anyway, I just don't think that it's um that it's good what's happening to the kids. I saw some kids in the library last winter, and I noticed that they weren't reading the books, they were looking at the screen, but they seemed more mesmerized by the screen, and it was like this stupid um I think it was the three little pigs. It was like this cartoon that they were watching on the on the screen, but they seemed not even interested in the story or even to be following what was going on. They were just entranced by the screen itself. And it's like people think that this is gonna help their kids learn faster, but it's not, it's just making them stupider and they're not noticing what's going on in the world around them. And um I just um think that it's really a disservice that people are doing to their kids by letting them play with this stuff.

Keith Cutter: 32:38

And not on not only children, you talk in your book about uh reproductive issues. You've got the obvious reproductive um issues with uh sperm or a man who keeps his cell phone in his pocket, in his front pocket, right?

Julia Lupine: 32:57

Yeah. And they they took sperm from the same dude and exposed half with a I think a sample size of maybe 200 or something, I forget, but but they anyway, they took it in test tubes, and half of it and one half of the sample they would radiate next to a cell phone, and the other half they didn't. And the cell phone irradiated sperm died like twice as quick or even more and stopped, you know, and um yeah, d deteriorated faster and like was you know disoriented and yeah, they were not not strong swimmers, uh so to speak.

Keith Cutter: 33:37

And the really interesting thing about that study was that it was the same donor, right? It was just the only difference was whether it got exposed to what's considered normal now, um the cell phone radiation or not. So I thought that was a great study. So we're kind of talking about kids and the potential effects on them. We talked about the sort of tech addiction portion and the ADD, ADHD. And then there's this wide open, which is the radiation exposure that really I don't know, I d uh it doesn't seem like there's a lot of money being allocated to to uh studying that issue and and repro reproduction, you know, with the men carrying it in their po their front pocket and you know, we can't do studies on on women, but they have a set of eggs when they reach maturity, and that's it, as far as I understand. And so there is no replenishment. And yet we can't easily study what's going on to the quality of the eggs from cell phones being stored on the purse next to them or even on their bodies at some time. You have any comments on that?

Julia Lupine: 34:56

Reproductive tissue seem it's like the reproductive tissue the ner the and the nervous system tissue were the ones that were the most affected by the EMF, it seems like. And then also the skin, dermatological.

Keith Cutter: 35:12

Do you want to talk oh go ahead. Sorry. Do you want to talk about um breast cancer?

Julia Lupine: 35:20

Sure. Yeah, so I kept seeing uh breast cancer studies too, and like this one, it was a small study, but he found that the tumors lined up exactly to there were three or four tumors in the breast, and it was this girl who went jogging with her cell phone, and she'd been doing this for a decade or so. And the tumors were actually uh correlated with where the antennas would have been, and there were like it was a cluster of three or four little tumors, and you know, that's terrifying, but it's not an isolated incident that's been seen before, and it's so it's this new type of breast cancer that surgeons have been reporting. That's the that are these little clusters in one of the in a quadrant of the breast, generally correlating with where the cell phone was. And it's getting more and more common in young people, and people always carry, people carry their cell phone in the bra. That's why I chose the title the or the cover of my book, which is um for people who can't see the video, it's a pair of boobs in a pink sports bra with a phone, and on the phone there's a warning sticker that says warning. This product does a class two carcinogen may cause and um all these issues, yeah. Uh-huh.

Keith Cutter: 36:44

Yeah, so I and I and I think it is um the cover is very captivating in that way. Um, I'm just gonna read, if I may, um, in the chapter called Don't Put Your Phone in Your Bra. Lisa Bailey, a surgeon and oncologist, says she's been noticing a pattern of breast cancer in her patients. Rarer types of tumors in young women with no family history of breast cancer and who tested negative for breast cancer-related genes with tumors directly where they carried the phone in their bra. The tumors were often in three or four little clusters directly under where the antenna of the phone would be with the surrounding tissue all normal. So that just doesn't get enough uh enough attention in in our society.

Julia Lupine: 37:34

Um yeah, they focus too much on genetics, and I really think that genetics is a, you know, I'm sure there's a correlation, but there's hundreds of different genes that can be correlated with cancer. Like basically it could happen to everyone, to anyone, regardless of their genes. And but if you look at the CI research for that book, the um American Cancer Society, etc., and I looked at where their money's coming from. From and where they're the heads of these um societies where they previously came from. And what I saw was that there's a lot of money, the focus is on genetics right now and genetic engineering, basically, and biotech. And that's completely distracting. For one thing, it's I'm not going to go into the potential harmfulness of that, but it's completely distracting from the actual source of the problem. It's like I related in my book the metaphor of like you can spend, because we have a lot of flies here and they drive me crazy in the summertime. And anyway, it's like, so you can spend um hundreds of dollars on all the newest fly trap, fly killing contraptions and poisons, but ignore the dead raccoon rotting under your porch. And that's what these companies are doing is that they're um focusing on all these little things, all these cancer treating technologies, but ignoring the obvious cause of cancer when you can see the cell phone in the tumor in the breast, that's not a good thing. It's and it's just super obvious. And even people like acoustic neuroma is another big one. And it's always on the same side as where where the person holds up the phone. I mean, it happened to my boyfriend's brother, even, and he thinks it's from the cell phone, and he still uses it, but he puts it on speaker now. It happens to um it's not rare. I'm seeing brain cancer in people I know, and um it's like, you know, it's very it's very, very alarming.

Keith Cutter: 39:45

Yeah, not to mention the potential for neurodegenerative disease.

Julia Lupine: 39:49

Oh, I was just saying the blood brain barrier. It's yeah, that was one of the big focuses in my book because people it's an easy explanation of what's going on. And there was this research, and the blood brain barrier leaks, and then all these proteins and things get in that aren't supposed to be there, and that's what causes the headache and inflammation. And it can last for hours after an exposure, even a small exposure.

Keith Cutter: 40:13

And the studies have been there since the 1970s.

Julia Lupine: 40:17

Right.

Keith Cutter: 40:18

And and yet we went ahead and implemented cell phones starting in the 80s anyway. So um Yeah, and it's it's just um it's heartbreaking to see, you know, not only people with the cell phones and not being aware of what the potential um dangers are to them or their loved ones, even at some distance. But the the infrastructure that's required to make all that work, so somebody's gotta live next to those cell phone towers. And they're gonna get much more of exposure because of the inverse square law. And uh never mind, everybody living in in a service area is essentially living in a sea of unnatural radiation. So yeah, the the um the implications are pretty profound. So I want to talk, I want to shift a little bit to you've got a small section in here on electrosensitivity. And I'm gonna read here just a little bit. Overnight you go from worrying about normal things such as, oh no, the cat threw up on the rug, or how will I pay the phone bill, to worrying about the fact that the world is turned into an inferno that zaps you with pain rays and you can't get sleep and can't eat without vomiting, and can't get near anything electronic without shaking uncontrollably, and your muscles spazzing out, oh yeah. And you can't talk on the phone or pay your bills online or go to work or even get food out of the refrigerator, and yet everyone else around you uh doesn't seem to feel it, and they just think you're crazy. Hopefully you're good at wilderness survival, but even that is no guarantee of safety. Uh cell towers are everywhere. Uh and there's even a push lately to get cell service in the Nash National Forest. Plus, Musk's satellites are always a looming threat. Well, let's just say there's a lot to worry about. So um what a great uh encapsulation of of what uh what it's like to become sensitized to uh synthetic uh uh field exposures. And it's not a not an easy life for people who who are affected in that way. But I would argue we're the lucky ones because we end up, I mean, we're driven to it if we want to survive, but we end up avoiding the uh exposures that other people consider to be normal. What are your thoughts about that?

Julia Lupine: 42:57

Yeah, I didn't feel lucky when it first happened. I um was very upset and distraught that it completely upended my life. But in retrospect, um I made it work and I was strong enough to deal with it. And I'm probably not going to knock on wood, but I probably won't get these other degenerative diseases because I'm not exposing myself to this on a daily basis and holding a microwave antenna next to my brain.

Keith Cutter: 43:28

Yeah, and um, you know, you are one of the people that I know that has um embraced to an incredible degree the idea that whatever it takes, and so once you became aware of what was causing all of these issues in your life, you really took a whatever it takes um approach that I think is is really admirable. It it's led you to where you are today and the life that you you have today. Which is not an easy life by any means, but um, I I worry about the people who become afflicted and they just they they ignore it. And their sensitivity begins to increase little by little. And their resilience begins to decrease so they're less resilient. And I've just seen sort of the trajectory of of uh where that leads to. So do you have any thoughts about that whole thing about staying proactive and and doing what it takes? I mean, if you could talk to people who might be listening to this, who are maybe in the beginning part, maybe they're just beginning to get sensitivity in their hands, or maybe their heart is just beginning to act up, or they're just beginning to realize they can't think straight when they're anywhere near Wi-Fi. What what would you say to those people?

Julia Lupine: 44:53

I tell them, don't panic, but do take it seriously. And like you were talking about with the inverse square law, there's a lot you can do to reverse or to reduce exposure drastically without even having to change your life majorly and move to a cave. But um it's best to reduce as quickly as possible so you can bounce back so you don't become a Wi-Fi refugee and have to go live in a cave or somewhere off grid, because once it gets to that point and you reach a thresholding event like I did, there wasn't really an option. It was either stay in town and be basically disabled and sick and feel horrible all the time, or live off grid in the wilderness and lose my whole social life and ability to work. And um so there um just reduce distance, um, yeah, increase distance, uh, turn off Wi-Fi at night. Um, hopefully, if you can, just get a landline and turn off the Wi-Fi entirely. Um, hold the cell phone away from your head, but preferably don't use a cell phone at all. Get a landline. And definitely don't be texting and doing stupid stuff and playing games on your phone, um, because there's a lot of exposures that people do that are completely unnecessary, Fitbits, Alexa, like all this stupid stuff that doesn't even increase your quality of life. It's just maybe a little bit convenient. Um, but you know, if Alexa is telling you to um buy toilet paper or reminding you of your to-do list, like maybe you're gonna lose your memory and then rely on it. So perhaps it would be better to just um not be outsourcing our thinking to these devices for one thing, and then also using them just for the bare minimum of what we need for communication while taking steps to get rid of the wireless components altogether and just go back to hardwired fiber optic, which works just as well, except that you can't walk around with it. And so what? You don't need that in your pocket.

Keith Cutter: 47:10

So are there any magic cures, anything that you can you can buy or you can wear around your neck, or um positive thinking, you know, whatever is gonna is gonna make this all better for you once you become sensitized.

Julia Lupine: 47:27

Oh, you'll love it. I did a whole two chapters on um bliss ninny paraphernalia in my newest book that's coming out. And I actually called the companies and I and I borrowed your idea of going into the microwave antenna with what or into the microwave oven, giant room-sized microwave and um oven with one of these pendants and holding it around in front of you to create a strong, coherent feel the quantum. And I just thought so I wrote to these companies and one of them didn't call me back, but the other two two emailed me back and said, Well, we do not endorse dangerous experiments such as going into the microwave oven. But here's our list of studies of, you know, they look very convincing if you don't know what you're looking at, but I'd I wasn't fooled by their studies by experts because obviously they just paid them. They're just as guilty as the cell phone companies, in my opinion, because they're preying on people's hopes to get better and stealing their last bit of money. They're like trolls under the bridge, and I just do not have any respect for harmonizer salesmen and pendants and stickers you put on your phone. Like, hey, that would be nice if that worked, but they're not based on science at all. They're um just a bunch of um stuff that sounds scientific to somebody who doesn't understand about the electromagnetic spectrum. And no, none of it works, but um uh low low-tech technology like rocks do work to block the fields or my underground house that I'm building, that'll block everything.

Keith Cutter: 49:15

Right, but not like one rock you can put in the corner of your house and and everything's magic.

Julia Lupine: 49:20

You're talking about surrounding yourself with rocks, and they don't have to be shunite or crystals, they can just be your generalized sandstone that I get out of the desert, but it is gonna take a lot of it, and you can't just carry it around with you. And I was probably too nice to shunite and crystals in my first book because I was wearing some shungite bracelets, and they kind of made me feel a little bit they crystals have mild um piezoelectric properties, and um but again, if you're not surrounded by them, then it's not really gonna do anything. So I'd say they make a nice alternative to metal jewelry, which can conduct the fields and make things worse. If you wear a crystal, at least it's not doing that, but it's still not gonna save you from EMF, and neither is a pendant or organite or any of this other stuff. Um basically, you just have to stop using your cell phone, and that's the only um thing that's really gonna work.

Keith Cutter: 50:19

Yep. And a lot of people will a lot of people will stay in the cities, and they'll continue to get sicker and sicker, and they won't be able to divorce their cell phones. But we can make the information available to them, and you can keep writing books, and we can keep um hoping for greater awareness. And um, if only one thing, maybe we can keep people from uh going down that detour of uh harmonizers and neutralizers and scalar energy devices and uh stickers and diodes and uh pendants and bracelets and all those those different things that um will have the effect of uh shrinking whatever's left in your wallet. P potentially for people who can no longer work because they're so sick from electromagnetic poisoning. But uh anyway, so thanks for um discussing that as well. So there's no in your in your experience, there's no magic way out of this. The it it's that these fields are poisoned. Is that is that right?

Julia Lupine: 51:25

That's correct. The only long-term solution is that we start using a totally different technology, which so far hasn't been invented that we know of, but where uh we could just go back to using fiber op go back to using landlines and fiber optic. It's the only it's gonna be inconvenient because our whole uh civilization is based on the use of microwave radiation, but um the health care cost is going to be astronomical and everyone's gonna be sick and dying and have cancer, which will be great for the pharmaceutical industry, but not so great for the people. And that there's no solution except to change what we're doing here.

Keith Cutter: 52:10

Yeah, yeah. So two more two more things real quick on harmonizers. You and I both know a lot of people who are electrically, we'll just call it electrically sensitive. Have you ever heard of anybody getting better? And I define getting better as decreased sensitivity and increased resilience from harmonizers or diodes or scalar energy and blah blah, all that kind of stuff.

Julia Lupine: 52:35

No. Who am I who am I to say what helps any particular person? Um, I'm inclined to think that they are snake oil.

Keith Cutter: 52:44

And the last question I would ask is if they worked, wouldn't it be easy for either one of us with our stories and our backgrounds and all we've given up, to just embrace one of those and represent them and be an affiliate and make a fortune?

Julia Lupine: 53:03

No, it would be nice, but you know, I still um will never sell out.

Keith Cutter: 53:09

Yeah.

Julia Lupine: 53:10

I just I want to be able to sleep at night, huh?

Keith Cutter: 53:13

Yeah, yeah, me too. So anything else you feel passionate about that you would like people to know um who may become afflicted or think they're becoming afflicted? Um, maybe the idea of getting to a pristine place. Um, what are your what are your thoughts about that?

Julia Lupine: 53:30

Definitely I would say um, you know, get back to nature. And if this is happening to you, it's a wake-up call from your higher self and from the um from the earth, we could say, to stop poisoning the world around you with synthetic artificial um frequencies that aren't native to earth, just unplug and stop spending your life on it. And it's I know it's difficult because people depend on this for work and for every aspect of our civilization, but it has to change somewhere. And instead of spiraling into this electromagnetic dystopia that we're going into, we need to be going the other direction and growing our own food, getting back to nature. And whether we do this voluntarily or we're forced because we become too sick for it uh from this, um, it's best to get an early start as quickly as we can. And um, and uh I've never met anyone that regrets it when they embrace an off-grid life or adjust them more, even if you're not totally off-grid, just taking the steps to get back to nature. That would be my advice to people.

Keith Cutter: 54:49

Right, right, yeah. And off off you mentioned off-grid living, so there's this whole category called off-grid living skills. And I think the majority of people have really no idea what that means. But there are different ways to cool your food. There are foods that don't need to be cooled, there are ways of heating your home that that don't involve uh electricity and they and on on and on and on. So my thought, and I'd like to know what your thought is, is that when you develop off-grid living skills, it opens up an entire universe of housing opportunities that are much better than anything that's on grid. So your your thoughts on that.

Julia Lupine: 55:41

All right. Well, it's a lot easier than people think. I um don't have to worry about pipes freezing in the winter or um not being able to pay the power bill or any of these things. I have a pretty simple, it takes a little longer to do dishes and laundry, and I take cold showers with the hose. I had a propane shower at one point, but it broke. Um so it's just like learn to live without things, but it's not as hard as people think. And it just takes a little bit of um uh learning to think differently about what um what what's convenient and um then there's also a lot you can do with DC power. I actually have a refrigerator now, but it's DC, it doesn't bother me a bit. But for years I lived without a refrigerator, and there's not much that actually needs to be. And I live in the desert when it gets over 100 degrees in the summertime, and then you still don't need a refrigeration, like stuff doesn't go bad as quickly as you would think it would be. And I just buy a lot of dry goods like um rice, beans, and then I'm cooking a squash or sweet potato or whatever, and I just cook enough that enough for each night and eat it, and then cook more the next day. And it's like you don't need a refrigerator for as many things as you think you do. I use it for the cheese now because I'm make cheese making and milk and yogurt, so that's kind of why I got it. But um, and then as far as heating goes, you can use a propane heater or this camper is heated by a wood stove. So it's a little more work, but the quality of heat you get is a lot nicer. There's something really great about a wood fire.

Keith Cutter: 57:33

Yeah, we had a um when we lived off grid, we had a wood cook stove, so you could cook on the top of the wood stove, and then it had coils inside the firebox that heated the water. So that's how we got hot water. And then of course it would heat the entire house because it was a wood stove. And then the oven. You talk about it being superior heat, you had heat from all six sides. So cookies, bread, whatever, were were perfectly uh um perfectly cooked. And it is more, it is more work, but somehow more I we found it more more satisfying. So one day, maybe there'll be a Julia Lupine School of Off-grid living skills. Julia, what do you think?

Julia Lupine: 58:27

Well, considering it, it's a bit disorganized still here, and I'm going to offer um so some off-grid living skills photo essays. I've started a Substack blog, and I'm just writing articles with pictures about daily life here on the farm and how um not complicated it is, actually. I'll probably I'll probably even, what do you think? I might even do simple things like how to do dishes without a without running water and how to how to do your laundry. And then also bigger things like how to how I'm building my underground house or how to do a clay. I did a clay straw floor for my porch, um, just with materials I found here in the desert. So just thing um things like that, and then maybe some stuff about goats and um gardening and stuff like that.

Keith Cutter: 59:21

Yeah, you could you could do how to do a bucket bath, um, you know, heat put a little bit of very hot water on a stove and pour that into a five-gallon bucket with cold water and you know that type of thing. But there's there's a lot, and I think people when they have those opportunities or they have those skills, it it just opens up for those people who are the most afflicted and they need to get to a pristine place, it um it opens up people's opportunities. So you just mentioned Substack. Um, why don't you tell people the name of your Substack so that they can they can follow you there?

Julia Lupine: 59:58

Yeah, it's just uh it's at Julia Lupine, and it's I'm posting articles on um some well, some of its chapters from the book or chapters of new books that I'm considering writing, testing out the ideas on Substack, and then the off-grid living skills that I mentioned, and I'm kind of doing a series on goats and weeds, basically, invasive plant management using goats. Um, so kind of a variety of different things. I have a chapter on the metaverse and just different things that didn't make it into the books like that. Um, so yeah, you can um definitely subscribe and um feel free to give back feedback also um for anyone who's interested.

Keith Cutter: 1:00:47

That's great, yeah. And um folks, um I'm gonna encourage you to support Julia. There are two kinds of afflicted, and Julia is the type that she's been made ill by this um poisoning of her environment. And she's gone a long way out of her way to help other people to bring awareness, to to tell her story, to talk about um what's worked for her, what hasn't worked for her. So let's let's support her because you know what, my friends, there are not a lot of people who are courageous about saying that harmonizers and such don't work and pointing to a lot of the things that are distractions and saying, no, it's about effective avoidance and it can be done, and here's how. So I'm gonna um I'm gonna encourage people to get a copy of your cell phone is not safe by Julia Lupine. Julia, is this available everywhere or is this just an Amazon thing right now?

Julia Lupine: 1:01:53

For right now, just Amazon.

Keith Cutter: 1:01:55

Okay. And also uh with regard to your Substack, I hope you have the option for paid subscriptions on that. And I would if so, I would encourage people to um go out of your way a little bit and support uh Julia's efforts there as well.

Julia Lupine: 1:02:14

It's free actually.

Keith Cutter: 1:02:16

Well, you might want to think about giving people the option of a paid subscription.

Julia Lupine: 1:02:24

Right.

Keith Cutter: 1:02:25

Just as a way that people might want to um what might want to bless you.

Julia Lupine: 1:02:31

Yeah, and also I for I haven't mentioned this yet on a podcast, but I also have I sell sage bundles, is one of the things I've been able to do out here for money. And it's Colorado Sage Company, that's on Etsy, and I sell these bundles, they're wonderful for um all kinds of things, not just for an incense. They actually clean the air. If there's a nasty chemical smell, it'll get rid of it. Or you can, whenever I get books from thrift books, I have to I sage them because it gets the chemical smell out. And you can also put it in your laundry to take out detergent smells or it kills black mold, all kinds, all kinds of applications. So anyway, I sell these online and Colorado Sage Company, and that's a another way that people can support me.

Keith Cutter: 1:03:19

I um would encourage people who haven't already uh gotten a copy to pick up a copy of Julia's first book, which is called Under a Rock. And there's a subtitle on that. I can't remember. You help me with that.

Julia Lupine: 1:03:34

An electrosensitive survival guide.

Keith Cutter: 1:03:37

Right. And it's just a very raw tour of discovery about living a normal life and then this element of discovering what the problem is. And as I said um earlier, following the the idea of doing whatever it takes to get out of the synthetic fields to the greatest degree possible, including living under rocks, you know, um in in caves in the desert. And although that was very, very difficult, it allowed you to improve and to discover a a new life with uh perhaps more meaning. So Julie, I just want to thank you so much for um for writing another book. Um you've already told me you have a third book that you're not only writing, but you're near finishing. And I'm gonna um I'm gonna tease people a little bit and just let them know that much because I have to get you back. When you're ready, I have to be your first interview for that book as well.

Julia Lupine: 1:04:44

For sure.

Keith Cutter: 1:04:45

And thanks for taking the time to be with us today, Julia. I appreciate it.

Julia Lupine: 1:04:50

And thank you. It's been fun.

Gwyneth: 1:05:03

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