Picture a missing 17-year-old boy, a frantic mother, and a slew of social media posts that raise more questions than answers. Was she really frantic? Was it all an act? Where has Rudy been for 8 years?
Today, we're cracking open the confounding case of Rudy Farias, a name that's sparked countless debates in the true crime community since he disappeared back in 2015. As we navigate through the labyrinth of press conferences, search parties, and numerous online accounts linked to his mother, Janie Santana, prepare to be taken on a rollercoaster ride of shocking revelations.
But that's not all. We shift gears and delve into the controversial role of the Houston Police Department and the District Attorney in this case, questioning their tactics and transparency. As we dissect Q's relentless pursuit of justice and his refusal to reveal his conversations with Rudy, brace yourselves for a side of law enforcement you may not have seen before. So, buckle up, folks! We're about to wade through the murky waters of this intriguing story. Trust me, this is one episode you don't want to miss!
Picture a missing 17-year-old boy, a frantic mother, and a slew of social media posts that raise more questions than answers. Was she really frantic? Was it all an act? Where has Rudy been for 8 years?
Today, we're cracking open the confounding case of Rudy Farias, a name that's sparked countless debates in the true crime community since he disappeared back in 2015. As we navigate through the labyrinth of press conferences, search parties, and numerous online accounts linked to his mother, Janie Santana, prepare to be taken on a rollercoaster ride of shocking revelations.
But that's not all. We shift gears and delve into the controversial role of the Houston Police Department and the District Attorney in this case, questioning their tactics and transparency. As we dissect Q's relentless pursuit of justice and his refusal to reveal his conversations with Rudy, brace yourselves for a side of law enforcement you may not have seen before. So, buckle up, folks! We're about to wade through the murky waters of this intriguing story. Trust me, this is one episode you don't want to miss!
In this podcast we discuss sensitive subject matter. The snurch discretion is advised. On a side note I'd also like to mention this is all our opinion. I've noticed a lot of people saying that only because the subject matter we are about to discuss is ever-changing, ever-evolving and ever-crazy.
Speaker 2:And every minute it's changing.
Speaker 1:I mean literally every minute. So first I am going to take a moment to discuss the fact that it's been a while. Yes, again. Again. So, and it's like normally, we'll post on our social medias hey, you know taking a break, gone fishing, whatever the case. But it's been kind of crazy for both of us. You know, my daughter had her birthday. That seemed to take up two weeks, i don't know how, but it did. My nephew was in town. Shout out to the nephew, he knows who he is, he listens, Yay.
Speaker 2:And then you had, you know, a whole bunch of other things going on that they don't get to get into. Lots of things happening.
Speaker 1:The summer was supposed to be the summer of recording.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And it's turned out to be the summer of WTF. Oh capital.
Speaker 2:WTF.
Speaker 1:So apologies ahead of time or not ahead of time, i guess after the fact.
Speaker 2:We're trying, guys, we're trying. We're trying. Who knew life could get this way sometimes?
Speaker 1:Or something You know. kids get older, it's supposed to get easier. What happened? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2:But I'll tell you what. I'm kind of glad it went this way because we're starting the story off with a huge WTF And thank God it's not our life.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, for real. And not only that, but you know the story broke. What two weeks ago Was it even that long ago.
Speaker 2:I don't even know, i feel like it was only like a week ago. Okay.
Speaker 1:It may have been a week ago And, like Dee said, we're kind of glad that you know we didn't start anything else before this, because you know one thing about getting a story right when it breaks is it's kind of exciting. It's ever, ever evolving, ever changing, but most of the time when it does break.
Speaker 2:You get all the information.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And most of it is like they're going to disclose what's important and that we all have the facts Right.
Speaker 1:This is totally different, totally different. And I have a feeling that this is definitely going to be one where it's not going to be a post on social media that I give an update to. I have a feeling that somewhere down the line we're going to have to do another podcast on this?
Speaker 2:Oh for sure, i think it's just because, like we're saying, it's evolving still.
Speaker 1:Maybe we should let them in on what we're talking about. Go for it, okay. I'm sure some, but maybe not all, have heard of Rudy Farrius, or Dolph His mom. Well, but what's her name? We?
Speaker 2:don't know, really.
Speaker 1:Okay, so her given name, i believe, is Janie Santana, right, but is it also Bella?
Speaker 2:Well, i mean, there's. I mean 30 of them.
Speaker 1:I would. I would put, i would put money on the fact that there's probably hundreds, okay Hundreds, of aliases out there for Janie Santana, and when I say aliases, i don't necessarily mean aliases that she has IDs for, necessarily, but definitely social media accounts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, And you know, the funny thing is as as I was coming here on my way, I was listening to other podcasters and stuff discussing this case And it wasn't even like walking through the door here. My mind is still really confused on it all, because yesterday I kind of had a different mindset, not even a mindset, It was more of just like wow, this is really messed up. But then the new updates that are occurring Yeah, Minutes, it's my whole brain has shifted into a totally different.
Speaker 1:And then she told me where her brain was, and then I had to kind of like shake it a little bit, and then it went a different direction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then it wasn't so that I would think the way that you were thinking No, no, no, no, no, no, it was to get more information.
Speaker 1:It was more information, right, because, okay, let's. So here's how it's going to be, just so you know, we are running all over the place with this one. So Rudy Various was reported missing by his mother on March 6, 2015, when he was 17 years old. I mentioned his age, well, for a few reasons, but one being I was kind of surprised that immediately it's not thought of, as you know, a runaway, or maybe they did. I mean, they don't really talk too much about the investigation into him being missing, except that it seemed like it was fairly extensive.
Speaker 2:It seems like that.
Speaker 1:Well, I, you know, I did use seems like that for a reason, Because, you know, I mean, there seemed like there were flyers, there was press conference, there was all kinds of you know, please bring my baby home kind of stuff. And I'm not making fun of people who do that, I'm just you know.
Speaker 2:But it's also, you know, having it almost felt like they had search parties going for him as well, right Right. And then go find me set up like a whole thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of crazy. I mean, she, meaning the mom, was all over social media. I think she had like a Facebook set up for him, like there were billboards missing child.
Speaker 2:Now, when I first heard this story, i thought, oh my gosh. I really initially thought maybe he was taken and he was sex traffic.
Speaker 1:Well, i think that's what a lot of people thought, because the story came out that just a boy, a Houston boy, who had been missing for eight years eight years, so he's 25. 25 years old found, you know, at the church and he had walked back from.
Speaker 2:Mexico. And he was beaten. Looking Yeah, disheveled.
Speaker 1:He was disoriented. He was all of these things Now, of course you know you think about it now, but you don't at the time. How'd he get across the border?
Speaker 2:Okay, I, I got that now too. Yeah, Like I mean, but if this was a sex trafficking situation, then he could get across the border and maybe no one knew.
Speaker 1:Well, but that would be under the assumption that those who sex trafficked him brought him back and where they were like, oh bye, I mean, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I did too, and of course, hindsight is always 2020.
Speaker 1:So I don't think at first anybody had these things going. How did he get across the border? How did he get free? You know, none of these things were going through anybody's mind because they were so elated that after eight years, probably presumed dead. Here he is.
Speaker 2:Here he is, yay, yeah, and the only time that I got to questioning certain things was when I'm sorry, what was his name? came out and spoke. Oh, i only know him as Q, right, okay. So he came out and spoke and he was very emotionally upset over the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Now, if you don't know who Q is, q is a very well-known advocate. He advocates for all kinds of you know different things. He's a civil rights advocate. He advocates for children. He advocates for he advocates.
Speaker 2:He's very well known in the Houston area, correct, yeah?
Speaker 1:Obviously that has its ups and its downs, its pros and its cons, because he also is smeared regularly because you know he is an advocate.
Speaker 2:So a lot of people are trying to discredit what he's saying but in things that I have read, he's never been wrong, Wrong, Correct. He says these things and even when he was speaking at this press conference. I'm thinking to myself how on earth is he able to give all this information? And I'm starting to read the comments as he's going through and they're like this is an open investigation. How is he able to say everything that this young man is telling him? I just got chills.
Speaker 1:I mean it. Just. Here's the thing about Q. One thing I want to point out is that he, as far as I know and I have read, is doing this pro bono. He's not getting any money for it. So that tells you where he stands. He stands to gain nothing. Number two, he was speaking off the cuff. He didn't have a speech written ready and memorized, so when he stood up there in a T-shirt and he apologized for the way he looked because this is not how he speaks in front of cameras or people You know that this is somebody who is I'm trying to think of the right way of saying this This is somebody who cares about the work that he does and how he is perceived. However, at that moment… It didn't matter, it didn't matter.
Speaker 2:So what we're getting at is He spoke to Rudy Mm-hmm for an hour and 20 minutes in a hotel room and He wouldn't speak to investigators mm-hmm or Q if Rudy's mom was in the room, correct? and this is How many days after he was found, i mean let's, let's.
Speaker 1:I mean, it was probably within a few days.
Speaker 2:Because initially, all of us were under the impression that Rudy was in the hospital getting care because there were pictures, i mean of Rudy. Now, one thing that I found very interesting about those pictures and I don't know, maybe it was just me Anytime I've been in the hospital staying the night or anybody else I've seen at the hospital, mm-hmm, they've always been on their back right now those pictures are in the hospital.
Speaker 1:Of course, they're just not from 2023. No, they are from 2012 right.
Speaker 2:So Let's say that is not somebody who is a 25 year old man correct.
Speaker 1:But you can't really tell, because he's covered, he's covered.
Speaker 2:But he, it was so weird because, like normally, you're hooked up to all these things and it would be very kind of difficult to get to sleep On your stomach right in the hospital, and I just found that odd, right.
Speaker 1:So the pic? just a side note. So the mom was posting pictures of Rudy, aka Dolph his name is Rudolph, some people call him Rudy, some people call him Dolph In the hospital and she posted on Facebook and or Twitter or wherever she posts, saying basically You know we're so happy He's home, he's, you know, he's got cuts and bruises, you know we're here in the hospital, yada, yada, yada, yada, and then has those pictures and It was. You know, you got to be careful when you post stuff on Facebook. I got to tell you I'm in a lot of true crime groups and I don't know, i'm pretty sure D is pretty good at it too. I know that I myself and my You know armchair investigator. You can't post that stuff unless you expect to have it investigated by People on the internet. No way did they do that.
Speaker 2:Not only that, but other posts that she's posted. Oh my god, i can't. She actually has the Getty.
Speaker 1:The.
Speaker 2:Getty Museum.
Speaker 1:The credited thing for Getty on it that she never Cropped out?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, but those were supposedly recent pictures that we were saying they were from 2012, right. And so then we find out that he denied going To the hospital, right, and she was like, yeah, we don't, he doesn't need care, right. Denied the care, but then all of a sudden he goes to the hospital and now he's in the hospital, right, okay, so when I walked in and saw cat today because it's been a little while since we've seen- each other.
Speaker 2:I said this is starting to smell a bit like the Gypsy Rose situation. What were your thoughts?
Speaker 1:on that. So I definitely see how it can be perceived that way, but I think that there is a Significant distinction between the two. One is, oh, you know, i guess it depends on whose side of the story you believe. So I know that in the documentary on Hulu for Gypsy Rose, there was a period of time where Gypsy was made to believe that if Everybody found out the truth that you know, she would go to jail and she would be in big trouble, and so she went along with it. So there are parallels that there, because what we have found out is that He did leave on March 6, rudy did leave on March 6, but he actually ran away and He returned two days later and The mom has had made him believe That if anyone found out, the authorities, other people, blah, blah, blah Found out that he came back, that she would go to jail. For what? for, i guess, fraud, because she had gofundmes and she had.
Speaker 1:But at the time she thought that he had gone missing, correct but I think that she had no intention of, you know, giving back that money right.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing as well. Is that When I say the thing about the gofundme and the fundraisers that that's all so Eerly similar to totally gypsy's mom?
Speaker 1:totally whatever.
Speaker 2:Also Here, she's getting all this attention right. So there's that, and I think that those are where I sit there and say this is so much more, so much the same right, but there's more. Yes, there's more.
Speaker 1:I mean a whole lot more, yes. So We then find out that now remember he's home, right, so I Guess she's had him Take on a different name.
Speaker 2:Okay, wait one second, let's get back to the part. Let's let's talk about Rudy's dad, because all of this really kind of took place after Rudy's dad, right, right so He was reported missing March 6th.
Speaker 1:However, tell me about Rudy's dad. That happened pretty. I mean, it was right around the same time.
Speaker 2:Rudy's dad worked for the Houston police department correct and Rudy's dad committed suicide Right.
Speaker 1:And how much prior to Rudy leaving or running away was that?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. Well, it happened in August 2014 and he was reported missing March 6th 2015.
Speaker 1:Right, so we're talking about a seven month period. Yeah, now I also read that his brother and best friend three years prior were killed in a car accident. Yeah, so he's had some tragedies in his life, huge trauma, huge trauma And I mean young life. Yes So, and you know I get it. We all have our traumas, but you know it's hard, you know, at that age, when you have impactful traumas like that so close together in three years, while it may seem like a long period of time, it doesn't not, especially not when you're young.
Speaker 2:And when you've lost your brother, who you were best friends with right. And your dad and your dad and your best friend. And the thing is is, you know, going back to Rudy's dad, he was being investigated for, like, issuing tickets, so parking enforcement tickets, something to do with overtime. It just doesn't seem to me that that would be a huge reason to kill yourself. I mean, if we look at it, his brother died. So the dad's probably dealing with the trauma of that.
Speaker 2:Right Now he's under investigation. Maybe that was a lot to handle And maybe there were a lot of other things going on.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking it had to be more than that, because you know, like when I'm reading and listening and all that stuff it was, it was almost as if you're led to believe that his suicide had something to do with not so much what he was doing, but something more to do with what he knew what he knew And part of what bothers me about this is Rudy's mom is in that case an utter psychotic. And as we go, into it.
Speaker 2:You're going to find out this weird connection that she has with the Houston police And there's like this thing, like like she's really involved somehow or there's some type of special relationship I feel that she has with the Houston police department, something, something So. And maybe there's a connection there with the dad and the wife and the police department.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i mean, the reason we see that is now. Remember we were talking about Q. Yes, when Q came out and talked about the hour and 20 minutes that he talked with Rudy, it wasn't like you know how sad. This poor kid had trauma in his life and well you know he just wanted to be left alone.
Speaker 2:No, that's not what happened And also my theory of the sex trafficking was not right. No, he didn't suffer the abuse of total strangers.
Speaker 1:No, no, not at all. He suffered abuse, just not a total stranger. So, as we mentioned, rudy came back two days after he left and mom basically told him and this is, of course, all according to the conversation he had with Rudy, so allegedly, allegedly this is all alleged, because there's no actual factual proof Allegedly told Rudy that if you know she, you know, if anybody knew he was back, that she would get into so much trouble, they would arrest her, she'd spend her life in jail or you know whatever scary things she could think of to tell him, and so he had to basically be missing. He had to continue to be missing. So this is the scheme, basically that they put on for eight years And this is why it it smells like Gypsy Rose. Is that that kind of manipulative, you know scheming kind of thing?
Speaker 2:But the other thing too is that doesn't come out of nowhere. So this woman has been manipulating this family for years. Oh for sure. So you know that goes back to the dad's suicide. Yeah, there's, there's something more.
Speaker 1:Anyway, go ahead, Okay, So. So then we go back to. He basically is pretending to be somebody else and is told to say he's 14. Wow, But what's weird and odd is that the neighbors have been interviewed, Have you? Oh yeah, They were like Oh yeah, we see Rudy all the time and dole fin whatever storehouse Yeah. And it seems odd to me, because it doesn't sound like Rudy was using his alternate name. No, like they knew it was Rudy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so odd because, again, allegedly there's this young man living in this house being abused by mom Right Grandma lives there.
Speaker 1:Oh, this is fun. When do you get a load of this one? So grandma, so Janie's mom? Janie's mom is living with Janie and this other dude who is obviously Rudy, but whatever And grandma tells other people in the family what are you talking about? He's missing, he's here, he's here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he comes in and asks me how I'm doing, right, and Janie's sisters are like no, he's missing. And so they tried to go to the house. It takes them like 20 minutes to get into the house because everything's locked up. Yep, they even stated that doors in the house were locked and they go. You know, mom Rudy's missing. No, no, he's here. So they try to confront Janie about it And she says that's, that's my nephew, and mom has Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like I, don't know what you're talking about, that's. that's like Jose, something. I don't know what you're talking about. Mom. mom's got dementia. She's old. She has no idea what she's talking about. She's thinking so, and so over here is Rudy, because she doesn't know what she's talking about. Yeah, weird.
Speaker 2:But now Rudy. Rudy in the interview with Q states that mom has been drugging him. Correct.
Speaker 1:And and not like you know, here's some Xanax, but actual like hallucinogenics, mushrooms, all kinds of stuff to keep him basically sedated. Right, and apparently now he is like he's addicted, he's got some real issues now.
Speaker 1:He really definitely, and as Q said, needs some serious professional intervention rehab something, The other things that Q had mentioned that were, I mean, horrific. And I say horrific because just the thought of this occurring in a household is just it's mind blowing. So if I'm using the acronyms S? A, in case anybody is sensitive to any kind of abuse that involves that of the sexual matter, But it it's bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, You know any. He did state that he at some point ended up having to take the role on as the father, and that's what.
Speaker 1:I mean He's husband. Yeah, so she. and it's not even so much that. It's not even so much that he took the role She allegedly allegedly actually said to him like you are now my husband, Yeah, Like you literally are my like telling him he had to act like her husband. You know, but it sounds like it started very slow, You know. He talked about how she would go in the bathroom when he was taking a shower and open the shower door or the shower curtain and then just stand there and stare.
Speaker 2:I mean, and then it came to him having to wash her Right.
Speaker 1:So it was a, it was a gradual progression.
Speaker 2:I don't think that this happened when he returned in March I think it was prior Why he left. I know Right, right, but like I think it's even before dad died, i wouldn't doubt that there was definite abuse before dad died.
Speaker 1:I would definitely say that things progressed to him being the husband and him being definitely role had to have started when the husband committed suicide.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously there's not that much room in the bed.
Speaker 2:So I mean yeah, but I mean I think the mental abuse, the mental abuse was way before, and then you don't just start out of nowhere.
Speaker 1:Exactly, So I mean, but just it's just, it's mind blowing. So all of this, i guess I should have started with that. All of this is what occurred prior to him running away. It's why he ran away, right, he ran away because he couldn't handle the abuse anymore. Right Now, i don't blame him, but my question is why did he come back?
Speaker 2:That. I mean, that's a really good question. Why did he go back to her? Why, you know? you know, seek out family. Oh well, maybe he just maybe that mental abuse was so strong He just didn't know what to do, right.
Speaker 1:So now, in the very beginning, obviously, when this story broke, the cops were like, wow, he's back. Woohoo, everybody's celebrating, and then everything just from there Nose dives like it's press conference after press conference. It just keeps changing and evolving and evolving and eventually the cops come out and say basically, yeah, he was. He was never missing and, in fact, in one of the groups were in. They posted a speeding ticket that Rudy got in December of 2015, Clearly not missing. I mean, it had been what? nine months since he had been reported missing. I mean I Like it's. It's mind-blowing to me. That Here's my thing. By the way, the speeding ticket was in his name, right? Why Wasn't there anything like from the cops or like you would think there's something in the system?
Speaker 2:Okay, but not only that. Thinking back, if he got let's just say he got his driver's license at 16 mm-hmm, when he reaches 21 he has to get a new driver's license. Oh, i'm sure he didn't. So was it an expired driver's license? Oh, because they have.
Speaker 1:You have one, you have to renew it, but I Have to look at the ticket again, because it's possible that It was more than just a speeding ticket, because it I mean it looked, it looked very, very appear in court ish so either way he's you always have to, but I have to look at it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it. This whole thing is very odd a hundred percent, very.
Speaker 1:Then I start thinking of myself. I'm like but then we go back to the HPD again. Yeah, i know. I mean, is What is going on there?
Speaker 1:because you know, the investigators have come out and said yeah, they totally lied to us, they deceived us, they gave us different names on many occasions that we've approached them, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, but they're, they're lying, they're lying, they're Flat out lying, and they've now eat it to all this, by the way, they've conceded to the fact that they, that they've lied and deceived and did all of this and then, at the same time, in the same breath, they've said You know, while, while these things that they've done may be illegal, not everything rises to the level that the, the DA, feels Is worth.
Speaker 2:Prosecuting? are they trying to keep their crime rate low as well as California? Yeah?
Speaker 1:maybe, maybe it's they're on the same track, i mean, so they've decided not to press charges. They they're not Prosecuting the mother.
Speaker 2:so here's the weird thing We know that he Allegedly, allegedly, has been abused, according to the conversation he had with Q. Okay, we also Allegedly know, because it was said that he was being drugged against his will, correct. So there's sexual abuse, drugs using Fragulent names, right taking money, uh-huh, from those doesn't rise to What the DA would consider to be a winning case. No, okay, i don't understand how that is, but okay, yeah so I I mean I don't understand how that is.
Speaker 1:Personally, i mean maybe Not enough evidence. I mean I don't know, you know.
Speaker 2:But it's but one, it's all over Facebook, or I mean social media.
Speaker 1:You mean her accounts.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:She's completely psychotic and plays herself in many different ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but also the go fund me, right. Okay, so where's Rudy today?
Speaker 1:so my understanding is, originally he was with a like a neighbor, friend person and From there he actually ended up at his aunt's at his aunt's house.
Speaker 2:Okay, and where is Janie?
Speaker 1:Janie's got a gun. She's on the run. She is on the run. Oh my god, it is. Janie's got a gun song for real.
Speaker 2:Is that Tom Petty? Yeah, i mean, he wrote this like so many years ago.
Speaker 1:Wait, or is it aro smith? It's aro smith. Oh, is that?
Speaker 2:yeah oh, I'm thinking last dance with Mary Jane.
Speaker 1:No, janie's got a gun is aro smith. Oh my god, it's literally the words For Janie's got a gun.
Speaker 2:Okay, so she is on the run, but now, if she's on the run with a gun, i get Texas. They have the. You can carry your concealed weapon.
Speaker 1:But my favorite thing is her reasoning for being on the run. Okay, why is she on the run? It's not because they're pressing charges. No, no, they're not pressing charges. Right, i Mean, i mean to boil it down. She's offended.
Speaker 2:She's offended and, and it has a what everybody is saying about what you know, about it being, you know I, i guess the allegations against her and we know this, because any time somebody Would speak out about her on social media, mm-hmm, oh, she lashes out, lashes out, she goes for the attack.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, like if you say anything that she doesn't agree with And you happen to be on a page that she has control over Your band, gone by which, you know, When somebody knows they're doing something wrong they usually get that massive mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:There's some, there's an issue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it usually means it's true, but yeah it's. This case is Freakin insane. It really is now what I found. Now. Did you see Q's interview After the initial one? I don't think I have, oh MG, so that one was super fun because I believe it was directly after the investigators Press conference and he was Levid now this press conference was so juicy That we actually decided That we needed to listen to it up for me mostly again, and I wanted D to hear it not only that, but The questions that they were asking.
Speaker 1:Q Oh yeah, was like oh my gosh yeah, so we actually paused recording and Decided to listen, and it actually had let enlightened a few things, and I don't know if I miss heard his first one or If it's being maybe he was just because he was speaking off the cuff. Either way, there were a few things that were cleared up a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Well, i think also, with everything that has come out, Certain things that were told in the beginning were overshadowed, because I do remember Hearing that this boy Was yeah, was non-verbal non-verbal.
Speaker 1:So that was. That was an interesting thing. Now, for Those of you who don't know about Grizzly, grizzly is Like the most amazing. I mean I I call her a journalist, but really she's just like your average person who, who Go, gets out there and she reports on what's going on in the Houston area.
Speaker 1:Yeah and Besides the, she actually reports on a lot of different things, even if it's not in the Houston area, because people reach out to her right. She is Amazing, and it's anything from traffic accidents to the weather, to something like this, and originally Jeannie Santana had reached out to Grizzly, because most people in the Houston area know who Grizzly is. If you live outside of the Houston area You may not be as familiar.
Speaker 2:I hadn't heard of her until I Heard about this case.
Speaker 1:I don't remember how I heard about her. I just know that That something was going on and I started following her.
Speaker 2:But let's get this straight. It's not spelled like Grizzly bear, it's GRIZZ. Why I Don't?
Speaker 1:know why I call her Grizzly. I know I, but it's funny cuz I actually I actually saw her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, make a remark that it's.
Speaker 1:I know I always say Grizzly, i, it's how I well, i mean the girl, i know she's like a bear.
Speaker 2:She is she's not gonna put up with anything. It's crazy, yeah, so good for her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway she was. So the mom reached out to her first and And she ended up coming to the house. This is right after Rudy was, quote-unquote, found Okay, and at that time Janie had said in front of Grizzly that you know he was nonverbal And it was actually at that point that Grizzly had told the mom about QX. Now I don't.
Speaker 1:I've heard of him, i've seen him, you know Never did, but what a amazing speaker And I don't know what QX means, or is short for, or if I don't know what QX is, a lot of people call him Mr X. Don't know why.
Speaker 2:That's just He even referred to himself when he said that he spoke with Rudy. Right, mr X? yeah.
Speaker 1:So so Grizzly had told the mom about Mr X, also known as Q or QX, however, and it was the mom that reached out to Q Q. That was something I didn't know.
Speaker 2:I didn't know either. when we both listened to that, We looked at each other like what Jaw drop Yeah. We were like oh, damn So there's And I think, our first response to what we were thinking like why? And then, as we were thinking why, he answered He did he said that she was thinking that he would help her cover up? Yeah, and he answered our question like he was a mind reader. Yeah, it was crazy, It was so crazy.
Speaker 1:But yeah, he, the whole thing is just insane. But so the mom calls Mr X I kind of like that because it's kind of I don't know little sexy, but anyway to come in and, i guess, assess the situation or, as he said, help him cover, help her cover it, cover it up, whatever the case. But apparently now I had said in the beginning that Q was getting accused of things, his name was being smeared, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And boy was he hot about that. He, i mean like if this man was able to yell, because you can tell that he was heated and you can tell he was raising his voice And his mannerisms were that of somebody who was yelling. But he wasn't really yelling, it was just his presence and the way he was projecting.
Speaker 1:But it was for those of you who think that I inserted myself in this case and in this position. You're wrong And that is what I was talking about in regards to him getting smeared right now, because there was another case in Houston and I can't remember. The little girl starts with an M and it's on the tip of my tongue.
Speaker 2:I just heard about this one too.
Speaker 1:And it was another one of those things where he was an advocate, and I think it has to do with the fact that he holds HPD accountable for their actions, And it's because of that that it becomes an issue. The fact of the matter is is that I am very pro cop, I know you're very pro cop, And I say pro cop in the sense that we're not like haters or anything.
Speaker 1:No, and I definitely support our law enforcement, when, of course, they do the right thing, Right, and I think that what ends up happening is you have certain areas in Texas where this is it's maybe frowned upon to question law enforcement without looking like you're on the opposite side of law enforcement. I'm really trying to dance around this without getting to in the weeds with politics, because it's not my intention. I'm trying to stay away from that, but it is what it is. This is the climate that we live in And, unfortunately, because of where they're at and the way they're at, unfortunately because of where they're at and the climate that we're in, i think it gets caught up without him wanting to or meaning to. It's just the way it is, and when investigators or policemen or whatever the case may be, when they fuck up, they have to be held accountable, and I'm a hundred percent for that.
Speaker 2:Absolutely a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:Because I think we've discussed, there are times where investigators completely drop the ball. I mean most of the cases we discuss are because of that, of course. I mean we wouldn't have anything to talk about. But it's not to say that there aren't great investigators or great officers or great police departments or whatever.
Speaker 2:Obviously that's not what we're getting into, or cue Right his point is just that there are.
Speaker 1:Oh well, he was slinging some names at the officer. He was Because there were officers that were with him when he questioned this nonverbal kid. Yeah, and I'm saying that facetiously in case you were wondering.
Speaker 2:And the sad thing is is if they were there to hear this I don't want to say it can't be, it's not a confession, but his story if they were there, they should be taking action. But, like he said, they screwed up, they're embarrassed and they're trying to not make a deal about it, right.
Speaker 1:And that's basically where his anger is coming from. Yeah, because his whole point is you were sitting there throughout that entire interview listening to what this boy was saying, right, and you're doing nothing.
Speaker 2:Well, you had said that you recorded this conversation.
Speaker 1:He did because and he validated it I knew he had recorded it, but I wasn't 100% sure. You know, it's one of those things that I was aware that it was mentioned, he had recorded it, but you know where I heard it.
Speaker 2:I didn't remember, but he validated it, and on top of that, q has an attorney that's working with him. So he's gonna do he's always going to make sure that he is doing everything legally Right. Yeah, so maybe at some point we'll be able to hear about some recordings, right?
Speaker 1:I'm sure not the whole thing, but Well, his thing is he doesn't want to release the recording. So basically, what he said was is that his reasoning for mentioning the recording? and he didn't actually say it was recorded? All he said is that he covered his butt, because if the officers want to try to blame Rudy for any of this, say that he was in on it, because that's some of the things that are coming out is, people are saying that Rudy was a part of it, that he was a part of the scheme, that he was, you know, partly to blame, that he was taking drugs willingly, any of those things.
Speaker 1:You know, basically, what Mr X was saying. I don't know if he wants to be called Q or Mr X, so we'll go with Mr X. Basically, what Mr X is saying is is that if you want to try and run on any of that, let me tell you I covered my butt, right? He's like I have the proof necessary to call you out on this, but I don't want to use it, right? I want to protect this boy's privacy And you know this should only be heard between him and his, as he said, therapist. That was the cutest thing I think I heard.
Speaker 2:There she goes with her Southern talk, again That therapist, therapist.
Speaker 1:And you know he said but if they push me, you don't want to push him apparently. No, if they push me, i will bring it out. Yeah, there you go. I was like there's a part of me.
Speaker 2:Actually, there's all of me that really hopes that they push him. Well, that's cause you're nosy, i'm no, i'm nosy, but at the same time, validate him and validate Rudy, and show that these cops are embarrassed and, just like every other little case well, little case, big case that we've covered they're not being held responsible for their actions or lack of, And that's the other thing is that they were perfectly willing to just take whatever it was that the mom was saying as usual.
Speaker 1:It's kind of weird. So then we found out we weren't sure how many days it was until they interviewed Rudy Right. Well, it was eight days, and even at that point it wasn't really that they were willing. It was more like Mr X was like dude, he's here, yeah, why aren't you interviewing?
Speaker 2:him He's nonverbal. Mom said he's nonverbal.
Speaker 1:Well, and then you know Mr X said well, he's talking to me, so obviously that's not the case And they're like well, only if Rudy's okay with it. and Rudy was fine with it.
Speaker 2:Let me just state this You look at it's crazy, because you would think that a department, maybe small, in a small town, might make really stupid hodunk like mistakes. Are you trying to say Because they don't have, like, the resources? Yeah they'd make really dumb mistakes. But we're discussing Houston Police Department, other ones Baltimore, other ones Los Angeles.
Speaker 2:Like you're looking at a huge well, and then you all of a sudden go oh yeah, that's right, they're corrupt, yeah. So again it goes back to the dad was being investigated for like ticket frauds, like, really Like. Yeah, there's more to this.
Speaker 1:There's gotta be. There's something somebody's not saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the fact that she's got them wrapped around her fingers again. You don't take somebody who's possibly a child abuser and go and oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we're just gonna listen to everything this woman has stated, because she's not a known liar, right? Yeah, there's just something not right.
Speaker 1:I mean there are things that he said that I mean, some of it I knew, but others, like she locked him up sometimes and it's like this poor kid and I keep saying kid, i know he's 25, but do you Where did his mental development stop? I was gonna say do you really think that the last eight years he really matured into an adult?
Speaker 2:It probably really kind of stopped when his brother was killed.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's my whole thing. It's like originally, when Rudy was quote unquote released, he was released to his mom. They let him go with his mom and that was one of the things that Mr X was pissed about because, he asked the cops why are you allowing him to be released to the mom?
Speaker 1:And they're like well, there's not much we can do because he's an adult, but at some point there has to be a time when you know victims who have been abused, or what have you have to be declared, you know unable to make these decisions, or a war to the state, or something.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, they do it for the elderly with social services for them, I mean come on. I don't understand how so many other departments were involved.
Speaker 1:No, i do remember reading that they were bringing the adult social services. I forgot what it was called in, but that's only recently and that's probably because he was with his family. Not only that look how much press coverage this got I know they don't really have much of a choice but to get involved.
Speaker 1:But you know, it boggles my mind that officers who deal with so much trauma when it comes to, you know, domestic violence, be it with spouses or children or what have you don't have the wherewithal to sit there and make an assessment and say he is unable to determine what is good for him. Right, he needs to have like a mental health evaluation. He needs to go to a facility and I don't mean like a cuckoo's nest, no, i mean like an actual mental health facility where he can get some treatment, he can get some help. You know help him, you know figure out where he's at before you release him to anyone.
Speaker 2:Right, especially his mother. So my thought is this I think the best thing that the Houston Police Department could do is go.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah we messed up, We messed up own it.
Speaker 2:I go from this point on we hear you all. we're going to do a thorough investigation, even if they have to bring outside investigators in to help take care of the problem, because if you don't, no one is going to be able to trust and they are already not trusting law enforcement.
Speaker 1:And it angers me when you know it's like you're lying child. Not that my child lies she's actually pretty decent at that But in general I mean she used to when she was little, but that's beside the point It's the lying child you know. It's like when you own it, even after you've lied, you sped up that holds so much more than people realize You know what I'm saying. Or when you make a mistake, you own it and make good on it. That holds so much more water than digging your heels in. Absolutely, do not double down. No, and it seems like that's the direction that the police department is going in is they're digging their heels in at least the last I've heard. So I wish that they'd understand that, if they can just take a step back and take accountability, you know what We've messed up and we apologize, instead of sitting there and saying we did everything we were supposed to do. I hate that shit More than you can imagine. Just say we messed up and we're gonna make it right. Right, yeah, that's all I ask.
Speaker 2:That's it So, until we know more Oh.
Speaker 1:I see an update happening and I can't wait for said update, i know, so this is obviously gonna be a quick one, thank God. I think we're gonna stay away from like series for a little bit.
Speaker 2:You know, we're just gonna do these little quickies.
Speaker 1:You know, i think our next one's gonna be fairly quick. Yep, yay. So I hope you enjoyed this and We'll do updates when we can, absolutely Until next time. Bye, thank you for now.