What would you do if your closest confidante turned out to be a master manipulator? How far would you go to uncover the truth? Today, we find ourselves entangled in the twisted tale of Janie's intricate web of deception, spanning from Texas to Chicago, and the emotional havoc it wreaked on an unsuspecting woman she befriended. From exploring her numerous aliases to discussing her suspected involvement in a notorious crime ring, we leave no stone unturned in our quest to understand her motivations.
As we navigate the murky world of online fraudulent activity, we reveal Janie's intricate layers of deceit and her ironic struggle with facing her own truth. We also discuss the heart-wrenching story of a woman who believed she'd found a spiritual connection, only to be victimized. The saga doesn’t end there, as we unpack the mystery of Rudy's discovery, the futile detective investigation, and the shocking revelations from a private investigator's initial interview with Janie.
In the final segment, we dissect the enigmatic bond between Rudy and Janie, highlighting the power dynamics, manipulation, and the sinister possibility of incest. We delve into Rudy's chilling visits to his aunt Pauline, his curious return to his friend's house, and his acceptance of his role as the man of the house without question. We also discuss Stockholm Syndrome and how it may have influenced their relationship dynamics. Join us as we attempt to untangle this complex narrative, shedding light on the disturbing details and allegations surrounding Rudy and Janie's case.
What would you do if your closest confidante turned out to be a master manipulator? How far would you go to uncover the truth? Today, we find ourselves entangled in the twisted tale of Janie's intricate web of deception, spanning from Texas to Chicago, and the emotional havoc it wreaked on an unsuspecting woman she befriended. From exploring her numerous aliases to discussing her suspected involvement in a notorious crime ring, we leave no stone unturned in our quest to understand her motivations.
As we navigate the murky world of online fraudulent activity, we reveal Janie's intricate layers of deceit and her ironic struggle with facing her own truth. We also discuss the heart-wrenching story of a woman who believed she'd found a spiritual connection, only to be victimized. The saga doesn’t end there, as we unpack the mystery of Rudy's discovery, the futile detective investigation, and the shocking revelations from a private investigator's initial interview with Janie.
In the final segment, we dissect the enigmatic bond between Rudy and Janie, highlighting the power dynamics, manipulation, and the sinister possibility of incest. We delve into Rudy's chilling visits to his aunt Pauline, his curious return to his friend's house, and his acceptance of his role as the man of the house without question. We also discuss Stockholm Syndrome and how it may have influenced their relationship dynamics. Join us as we attempt to untangle this complex narrative, shedding light on the disturbing details and allegations surrounding Rudy and Janie's case.
In this podcast we discuss sensitive subject matter. Listener discretion is advised. So D yeah, did you think we were gonna be doing this so soon? I?
Speaker 2:did not actually, and Of course, again we speak before we record and I Cat was asking me questions and I said I don't know, my brain is done like I'm on overload again, like before we even started recording she was done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like what's that?
Speaker 2:and this isn't done?
Speaker 1:No, not even close. Well, you know funny story, didn't we say we weren't gonna do like Multiple episodes? Yeah, what happened?
Speaker 2:Well, again New information came out about Rudy and and his crazy mama. So much so, without we catch everybody up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and just so you know, we're gonna catch you up. But Catching you up doesn't actually mean catching you up, because Nobody ever really gets caught up in this story. No, no, no it's so ever-changing, I mean like minute to minute, but I feel like if we didn't do an update we were kind of doing a disservice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I think the good thing is these aren't gonna be like two-hour segments. No, on the contrary we knew this was a possibility, because the story is ever-changing well and True.
Speaker 1:I mean, look, I thought it would be, we do the first one, then we do something else, something else, and then more information. But nay, nay, nay, literally like each day more information has come out now Yesterday, and I mean yesterday, not when you guys hear this, but yesterday from when we're recording. So that is going to be the 11th of July. Rudy actually had an interview. Yes, he did. Boy was that an interview? Yes, it was. So here's my thing, and I thought about including some of his interview on our podcast here, because I think that it's.
Speaker 1:It's different when you actually hear it versus hearing somebody talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but on the other hand, I think it's distracting, it's distracting as, yes, but I think we're also trying to Be involved, but not be involved, because if we attach our names, to them. We have no idea what the mom is capable of doing.
Speaker 1:She's scary. So, that said, I'm in a couple of groups, and by a couple I mean more than a couple.
Speaker 2:I'm in just two.
Speaker 1:I Find that hard to believe. Well, it's true, okay. Well, anyway, I'm in. I don't know how many crime groups.
Speaker 2:Oh, crime groups. I thought you meant about Rudy.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm just to, I'm in a lot you in a lot. I'm in a lot. I'm in a lot, okay, so in one of them at least, one that I'm I Follow frequently. It is believed that the mom is in that group. Oh, oh, interesting and is Very active, but no one can figure out who she is.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the problem with mom quote-unquote is that she has so many Different profile names that even people who knew her Didn't know when they were talking to somebody who was or wasn't her right. So it becomes very convoluted. I played a video for D just before we came in here from a woman who quote-unquote knew and I say quote-unquote because it's very hard to get to know somebody who is so manipulative and so conniving to Create so many, and I I call them aliases, even though she doesn't, you know, portray herself in person as these people. But with so many aliases, I wouldn't be surprised if there were hundreds. I think I said that on the first one yeah, because she will. She will create entire Facebook conversations With herself as different aliases.
Speaker 2:I've seen that yeah so.
Speaker 1:So this woman had befriended Janie Santana, which is the actual mom's name, and she did that because she believed that. You know Rudy was missing and you know she felt bad for her, this, that, the other. And in retrospect she believes that Janie befriended her because she had her own. And I Gathered that it's an insurance agency, you know, it's like insurance of all medical, auto life you know it's it's.
Speaker 1:It's one of those agencies where you can get, you know, different types of insurance. That's what I'm kind of gathering. So she believes that Janie befriended her because she believed that this woman had money and it turned out, according to her, that she in fact didn't really have money, she just had an agency. She said she was blessed to be able to open this agency Anyway. So this woman said that throughout her several year friendship with Janie, she met online through Facebook Christina Rob Bella.
Speaker 1:Bella all of these people and it turned out not one of them were real people, right, all of them were Janie, and it wasn't until Years had gone by that she realized, through all the stories that were being told by these people, that the way that each person talked and the stories and all of these things culminated into being just one person and you really feel for her when you hear her telling her story, because she gets choked up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you know she feels duped, totally. You know, and it's One point, janie actually goes to Chicago where this woman lives. Now, mind you, janie's in Texas, right? So it's like it's not a hop skipping a jump away from her. No she actually travels to Texas to go to this woman's house.
Speaker 2:Chicago.
Speaker 1:Did I say Texas, you did. I meant Chicago. See, I don't even know where we're at.
Speaker 2:Chicago. We're in California, she's in Texas. She traveled from Texas to Chicago.
Speaker 1:Thank you for that. You're welcome. You know, I've always said I'm geographically challenged. Here we go Okay. So Janie traveled from Texas to Chicago. Called this woman from a Chicago number. Now one would think that she was calling from a cell phone, because I don't know about other areas, but I know here we don't have paid phones anymore. No, but maybe it was like from a hotel room or maybe.
Speaker 2:Well, that would make sense Okay.
Speaker 1:So anyway, she called her from a Chicago number, asked her for her address and showed up at her house.
Speaker 2:Well, that must have been nice to be able to finally put a face to her profile picture.
Speaker 1:Now funny story. There's a reason why Dee said that is because when Janie showed up, this woman was baffled because Janie looked nothing like her profile picture. And that's a quote on quote. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like literally nothing and it's nothing. You know she wasn't like dogging her appearance or anything. It's just that you know Janie always uses fake pictures on her profile, yeah. So when Janie showed up, she was like who the fuck this?
Speaker 2:Well, I kind of find that part interesting. Only because if you looked Janie up during that time, I'm sure you would have seen an actual picture of her saying my son is missing, right?
Speaker 1:But you know, I'm also sure that this woman didn't really have a reason to doubt, to doubt, you know still, I think if she was really invested in this case, she maybe looked up interviews or something maybe, but apparently not. Okay, lesson learned? And can we put a pin on that, because I have more of that, you know. Interview back in the day stories.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, anywho. So she shows up with a card from a detective, asks her to call said detective and lie to him saying that this woman lives with Janie Like why and to make sure she mentions that Rudy doesn't live there.
Speaker 2:Okay, but like.
Speaker 1:I'd like to also mention this is somewhere in 2019 or 20, because this woman can't remember, because she's been trying for so long to get cops news somebody to listen to her story for so long she can't remember what year this is it's so odd to me that Janie would go to basically a total stranger's house and say, hey, here's this detective's number.
Speaker 2:Will you please call him and tell him that you live with me? I know it's not true, but I need your help here.
Speaker 1:Don't you know? I mean, she's being harassed, yeah, and of course this woman is like you know. I was kind of like, oh, I didn't understand, because I'm sitting here thinking, if this guy's trying to help you find your son, why do you want me to lie? And her first well, that was her first thought. Then her second thought was, well, I mean, I guess, maybe, oh my. And then she then spoke. I'm assuming at some point Janie left and she was speaking to members of her family that were in the house.
Speaker 2:And they were like they said please don't do this, Yep, they were like girl.
Speaker 1:you need to, not. What you need to do is you need to talk to the detective and tell him everything that you know, because that girl is a liar she's. I think her words were crazy bitch.
Speaker 2:This just makes me think that maybe she's very book smart but not very street smart, and there's a lot of people like that.
Speaker 1:And she even says herself I may not be smart, but I'm not that dumb.
Speaker 2:Well, but I'm sorry, I feel for this lady. I listened to her the interview. She really is traumatized by this whole thing. So that aside, I wouldn't even say she is that smart. Here's the thing. I do think she's that dumb.
Speaker 1:You know we're going to talk a lot about Stockholm syndrome and things like that going forward, but I also want you to take into consideration this Imagine four years you believed this woman was, you know, going through the pain of losing a child, losing a husband, having a missing child, and you've poured all of this time and energy into this be it online relationship. There's a part of you that doesn't want to be a part of this relationship. There's a part of you that doesn't want to believe that anything that she's saying is a fallacy. Now, that's not about being smart or dumb. That's, you know, that's a part of your, you know, emotional self that just doesn't want to believe that you let yourself fall for it. I don't. I don't think falling for somebody because falling for somebody, falling for somebody's stories, because you're a good person, has anything to do with being smart or dumb.
Speaker 2:And I, and I understand that and I agree, I think the thing is is that there's so many thousands, millions of people that believe everything they read and on the internet be, it social media news outlets, whatever it is.
Speaker 2:So I think a lot of stuff. You can meet the person on the street and have the same reaction, but then, all of a sudden, you're reading this on Facebook and you're hoping that this is God. I hope this is the truth. I hope you know and you pour yourself into their life story. Come to find out it was all a lie. So social media is, isn't it? It is really not a good thing. I mean not a good tool, Well again, I'm.
Speaker 1:you know I'm not here to advocate for this woman. All I'm saying is is that, you know, I think that she was wholeheartedly doing this for what she believed was for the right reason. Yes, and it was very difficult for her to come to terms with the fact that, you know, jani was a lying bitch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and no doubt I mean she genuinely went into this with good intentions to help this person and this family.
Speaker 1:Now here's what I find interesting. So you know, we'll, just we'll. We'll put a period at the end of the sentence by just saying that her family had convinced her to talk to the detective. They played phone tag for a while. They finally got in contact with each other. She told her the detective everything that she knew. He said he was going to investigate it. She never heard anything back. That was. She did her due diligence. She did, and she tried to get in contact with news organizations and all kinds of people and nobody seemed to be real interested. So she's done everything that she can. Yeah, Now fast forward to June 21st Of this year, Of this year, Of this year, which would be eight days before Rudy was miraculously discovered.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I use miraculously very loosely. So Janie contacts the same woman via Facebook and asks for insurance, Said she can afford $200 a month. Now, she's not real specific on what insurance Janie asks for, but I'm pretty good at putting two and two together, because when Rudy was found, do you remember? It's come out little by little. Now I didn't know when we recorded at the time. Now we knew that he was found at a church, Mm-hmm, and he was, you know, scratched, bruised all of that stuff. But there are some things that I have found out since then that I didn't know, such as the mom's credit card was found on him Right and he was in an accident with his mom's car.
Speaker 2:Okay, I didn't know about the accident part. I knew he took her car, but I mean, here's my thing.
Speaker 1:What is he had in her car for eight years?
Speaker 2:But we do know now, obviously, that he had been I don't wanna say held captive or he wasn't a prisoner, he just wasn't missing. He wasn't missing. He was at her house.
Speaker 1:Right, so June 21st. What insurance is she asking for? Is it auto insurance of some sort?
Speaker 2:Is it?
Speaker 1:I mean. Well is it though, Because it didn't happen until the 29th, so has she not been insured auto? Insurance, either that or maybe she upped her insurance to include, maybe theft, uninsured motorists because he doesn't have an ID or a driver's license.
Speaker 2:I thought he had a driver's license, he got pulled over going 70 in a 50 mile an hour area and he had a speeding ticket.
Speaker 1:In 2015.
Speaker 2:Right, so that still means he had at one point yes, and we even discussed this that if he had turned 21, he would have needed to upgrade his driver's license.
Speaker 1:Well, but or it was expired. At that point it was definitely expired, so he would be driving illegally, right? So it doesn't matter how you slice it, right, he was uninsured. He stole her car supposedly.
Speaker 2:When did he get that speeding ticket? How old was he?
Speaker 1:I don't know, Dee. I mean, that's kind of a story.
Speaker 2:Well, that is a story, but if what we before we knew that other part of the story, would he have been 16, 17? Because he went missing at 17.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I believe. I'm not 100% sure. I think his birthday's in May, okay, so if his birthday is in May, then according to his mother at the time, he would be 18 at the time he got the speeding ticket, because his birthday is in May and he went missing in March. So March, then May he turned 18, and then in December he got the ticket.
Speaker 2:Right so, but according to his mom, he went missing when he was 17.
Speaker 1:Correct. In March, then May happened, he would have been 18, and then in December he got the ticket, so in December he would have been 18.
Speaker 2:Right, but then he still wasn't really missing because he got a ticket and they could have looked through the database.
Speaker 1:They could have.
Speaker 2:Oh, red flag missing kid, they could have yeah but it didn't, but no, nothing seemed to occur. So being that we're saying according to mom Right. Here's another little doozy.
Speaker 1:That's a whole thing. So the mom, with the many of GoFundMe's that she did, raised money for a private investigator to find the son that wasn't missing and the private investigator basically said that they knew something was wrong from the get go, and one of the things that raised red flags for them was in the very first interview or what have you. They had her fill out an intake form and she filled out supposedly the wrong date of birth. And I say the wrong date of birth. Hate when that happens. You know it happens to me almost well, never actually.
Speaker 2:It happened to me one time with my middle child. You have three kids, I get it, but I only had two at the time. But what I did was when I enrolled him in school, I gave him my due date as his birthday and when he arrived a week earlier, and then I didn't really what happened here. Oops, now he's middle child, so he claims middle child syndrome.
Speaker 1:Okay, but here's a funny thing about that, wasn't it the same year he was born though?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it was in the same week.
Speaker 1:Just different date. Yeah, okay, so I wasn't that far off, right? So when she filled out the intake form, she gave him the right month, the right day Oops, see wrong year. So it turns out that the private investigator learned pretty early on that when the mom filled out the intake form, she filled it out as if Rudy was a minor, 17 years old, and they found out from HPD that he actually was not a minor he was 18 years old. She put that he was born a year later than she actually stated. Right Now, you and I had a discussion as to whether or not this is why HPD isn't pressing charges and stuff like that, because technically, when he went quote unquote missing, he was an adult. Now it could be.
Speaker 2:And again they're stating that the Houston police department hasn't pressed charges. But they're still investigating this situation and I respect that in itself, just because they're wanting to investigate, if that's truly what they're doing. But there's still charges that she should be facing, absolutely fraud fraud Number one. And if she was holding him captive, regardless of what age that is?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Kidnapping is kidnapping.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and money, like the whole thing with scamming people for money, absolutely. And I get like there's that party that goes gosh, you know, you see all these go find me pages and you wanna help out, especially ones with little children or families that have lost a loved one, or whatever it might be. So it's really on the person that goes and gives the money, right. So it's like you did that, nobody twisted your arm, correct, you did that in good faith, right? So at what point is the person taking the money responsible? But obviously they're not putting in a correct story, right?
Speaker 1:So this is just a PSA, you know from me to you, from my perspective, unless you know the person Absolutely. Please, please, please, Don't just willy-nilly give money to go fund me's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know I have given money in one go fund me in particular which I think you probably did too, because it was somebody regarding a child in our community. And when I look back at that, I think to myself, I feel like we were duped and the fact that once the whole story came out, we kind of go, oh, I get it Maybe. Now I kind of wish I hadn't, but fortunately I didn't give a lot of money.
Speaker 1:Well look, I mean, I think at the end of the day, especially in that situation, I think both parties wanted what was best, so I'm not totally upset about that.
Speaker 2:Well, if the child received the money, I wouldn't be upset. Well, there's that, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what? Well, just at least we knew who they were. I'd been to their house. I knew who they were. Oh, their kid still goes to my child's school. So at least they weren't strangers, right. But we still didn't know the whole story.
Speaker 2:We didn't when it all came out and even afterwards.
Speaker 1:So all I'm saying is that just know what you're giving money to exactly before you do it Exactly, because you just never know. Yeah, it's kind of a scary thing, it definitely is, and some of these people probably gave hundreds of dollars of doubt. And when listening to the private investigator, one of the things she said is that some of the things that they did that was volunteer, like their resources, were things that came out of their own pocket that they had to do, and it was for what Right? Nothing Right. He wasn't lost.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then when you hear Rudy's story, you feel for him and again you wish that those resources went directly to him.
Speaker 1:Well, and here's more stuff. So for several years and I think we may have mentioned this, but I'm not sure so for several years, family reported to HPD that the mom was keeping Rudy in the house, and HPD went over there and said no.
Speaker 2:Oh, because they checked all the doors in the rooms and the door and had her open all the doors that were locked.
Speaker 1:Right. So it's kind of a sad story when you think about how close he was to being found and these family members were basically told you're nuts, he's not there.
Speaker 2:So here's this Rudy has stated that if anybody came over to the house that mom didn't want in their tiny inner, tiny little circle, she would have him go into a room, she would lock the door and she told him be quiet, right, and he did as he was told. Correct, allegedly.
Speaker 1:Allegedly so to me, ok, ok.
Speaker 2:Go ahead Personal. If I knew, if I had a gut feeling that my niece or nephew was locked in a room and I knew they were there and the police department wouldn't do anything to help me, I would bust down a window.
Speaker 1:I mean right, but here's. The other thing is that people really thought she was freaking crazy.
Speaker 2:More of a reason to go and break in. I get they probably have that. Oh, I can defend my house, type thing.
Speaker 1:So there was. I was reading some messages from the stepdaughter of Jeannie.
Speaker 2:Oh, by the way, she was married eight times. Right, just throwing it out there.
Speaker 1:Like I don't know how she got these men.
Speaker 2:I don't either, but she was married eight times. I mean that's right up there with Elizabeth Taylor Now. That woman was gorgeous and had a ton of money.
Speaker 1:What did she have? I don't know.
Speaker 2:She's not gorgeous and she doesn't have any money, apparently.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, unless you count the GoFundMe, I don't know. I'm just saying there could be a whole lot of other GoFundMe's in there. Hey, I mean you have no idea. You can't look to see how much money she's made out of them, because you try to go to the GoFundMe's and they've been shut down. So I have no idea how much money she got out of these GoFundMe.
Speaker 2:So again, the Houston Police Department would come and search the house, supposedly, and there was no side of him.
Speaker 1:Wait before you go there. The stepdaughter, OK. Ok, Just to understand her craziness. She would threaten family members with bodily harm, that she was part of the Hell's Angels and the Hell's Angels would come after them. So I'm just stating that you have no idea if these family members actually feared her. That's all I was saying. Ok, I get that.
Speaker 2:But I'm just thinking I would gather my family members that were so deeply affected by this and have us just storm the house and screw Hell's Angels and any other little cult thing that they would. You know, I get it.
Speaker 1:But my thing is is that if I knew that the cops were going over there, I'd want to go with them. Yeah, Do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not on your own.
Speaker 1:Because if you storm it and you find them and nobody's there to verify it, then what's it? Nothing's going to happen, right? You know? It just boggles my mind that HPD had gone over there, from my understanding, on more than one occasion, because they had made these claims on more than one occasion and found nothing, right.
Speaker 2:It just it mind blown Well then again, here we go to what I was about to say.
Speaker 1:Sorry.
Speaker 2:Is that? Well, at least I didn't lose my train of thought. I am on it today. Anyway, the thing is, is every source that we've been listening to that's close to this situation has stated that woman, janie, has something with that? Houston Police Department. Right there is something no one has figured it out yet. We stated it in our last podcast. There is something that doesn't add up that she is in like cahoots with, like something is not right.
Speaker 1:I mean, I want to know what this woman has. Well, eight husbands and the HPD in her pocket, I know, I mean tell me your secrets. Although, if you think about it, eight husbands means she can't keep them either.
Speaker 2:No, but what do they know? Why aren't they coming out and saying yo, this woman is psychotic, or what would she already know? But what were the things in their marriage that were crazy. I mean, we know one is dead, how about the other ones?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's crazy, it's nuts, like the stepdaughter. She said that Janie pretty much made it to where her dad no longer speaks to her, like it's to the daughter. Yeah, Wow, yeah, like she completely tore them apart. Wow, it's sad.
Speaker 2:This woman is just, and here's the thing. This is just one woman that's been publicized right now. There are a gazillion people out there that are just like her.
Speaker 1:Which is scary, very scary, and I'd like to give Dee a little bit of credit because I don't get this often.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Somebody else had mentioned that it's very similar to the Gypsy.
Speaker 2:Rose, gypsy Rose, 100%, and I think that's where we can start talking about the Stockholm syndrome, right, yeah, so in the interview I also want to say something.
Speaker 1:Ok, well, anyway, I'll get to that. So in the interview with Rudy he mentioned over and over and over about Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 1:Now before we talk about what he was saying, let's go ahead and define what Stockholm syndrome is for those people who don't know what it is.
Speaker 1:So Stockholm syndrome is the psychological condition of a victim who identifies and empathizes with their captor or abuser and their goals. So when you think about that and you really take that in, you can definitely put that label on somebody like Rudy, where he sits there and he says I didn't want my mom to get in trouble, I didn't want her to get arrested, I didn't want blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. It also turns out that, while I had heard that the way that she kept him hidden was that she had told him that she was going to get in trouble, it turned out it was the other way around that because he had gotten a speeding ticket, this, that and the other, that she told him he was going to get in trouble and he was gonna get arrested and that he had a warrant for his arrest and all of these different things that if he didn't hide that, they were gonna take him to jail and this, that and the other. So I just also wanted to say that before I forgot.
Speaker 2:And there were times that he described, he just begged his mom to take him to the police department, turn himself in, whatever it might be, and she just absolutely refused. Now, this kid, well, he's not a kid and he's 26,. He's very smart and very well spoken and the words he uses are not somebody who hasn't read or who hasn't. Whether he was educating himself. We have no idea what his school situation was leading up to it.
Speaker 1:I don't know that he necessarily was schooled after this, but it doesn't seem like he would be. But he definitely said that he was online and he read a lot, yeah, and I don't know if that's where he got the whole Stockholm syndrome or it seems to me and I could be wrong he sounds very coached.
Speaker 2:He does sound coached. Now, going into that, I think something that bothers me, and I'm sure it bothers you and it seems to bother a lot of other people, is that now that he's out of his mom's control if you wanna say, because I don't think he is he's not living with family and he has a lot of family that loves him and wants the best for him so they would take him in in a second, but he's living with his mom's friend Right now, in the last episode I had mentioned that he was staying with his aunt Pauline.
Speaker 1:It turns out that so he had left wherever they were with the mom's friend, and then I had thought he was then staying with his aunt Pauline. It turns out that he went to go visit his aunt Pauline and stayed there for a bit whatever that means, whether it's hours or what have you but then left again and went back to the friend's house. Okay, so? So he didn't stay with the aunt, he is still staying with the friend.
Speaker 2:So this friend obviously knew that he wasn't missing because he feels safe enough to be with her Now, as if he knows her, as if he knows her Now. The other thing that bothers me a lot is the fact that this woman says, yes, certain family members can come for just a certain amount of time to visit him. So he's still under control, absolutely under control. And imagine the things that he can't say, because I'm sure she doesn't leave them alone.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:so you know, like he's denying any essay which we went over, what that is Well yes, but I did hear in his interview that he never questioned his mom when she said you're now gonna be the man of the house, you're now gonna take that place as my husband, he didn't question her Correct.
Speaker 1:He said he made her dinner, that she requested he, you know, sleep in her bed, that he did all those things, but, however, he did say that there was no essay. However, you know there are some statistics on number one, how long it takes for a male to admit of any essay yes, because it's not as common, right yeah. And then you have to add to the fact that it's his mother, add to that he's staying with the mom's friend.
Speaker 2:So again, like we said, there's still some control there and honestly, if he is that manipulated in the head to think that sleeping with his mother in the same bedroom along with having sex with her, maybe that was an okay thing that was put into his head Right. That's why maybe right now he's not saying he was essayed.
Speaker 1:Right, and I'd also like to point out that you know we mentioned that Janie's got a gun and was on the run. God, I really wish we could have used that song. But, anyway, it's been in my head for the last few days, totally. So it turns out that I want to say it was the day of the interview. She returned, mm, and I find that kind of curious, ironic. So the day that she returns, he does an interview where he denies any essay.
Speaker 2:Now I know that there are certain states I don't know the ones off the top of my head, but I know there are certain states where incest is okay, you mean it's not illegal? Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, let's get it straight. So I guess.
Speaker 2:Maybe it would be kind of wise of us to look and see what states that is. But I wonder.
Speaker 1:I wonder. I mean, there's some states that you know like sodomy is illegal.
Speaker 2:So I mean it's like but it makes you wonder like what loopholes is she finding to make it so she's not in trouble? Now the thing is is when he ended up on the stairs of that church, he flat out said I was so done, I was so done being controlled, I was so done not being able to make my own decisions, and that he goes out to work for 12 hours a day and is only making $60. I would love for someone to show me somewhere, because I can't find it. Where it is that he was working.
Speaker 1:Well, he makes it seem like he's working for her, but he gets in the car and goes.
Speaker 2:He's not working in the home yeah, I don't I. So I wanna know where it is like a sweatshop like where is he working? What does she do for a living?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I haven't. Well, she cons people at a fraud.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get it, but like, what is it that he's doing? I have no, I Right. So somebody knows, please inform us, because we can't find it.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing I'm just letting you know ahead of time. Our plan, our plan, is to not do another update.
Speaker 2:Right, it's not over.
Speaker 1:No, I meant before we do something else. Oh right, yeah, yeah yeah. Because this isn't gonna be episode one, two, three, all the way to like 15, right, but I think what's fine.
Speaker 2:Okay, you know that sounds so bad. I'm so sorry that you know these lives go yeah, these lives go the way that they're going. That's heartbreaking to me, that anybody feels that type of pain, abuse and so on it is. I'm teasing you.
Speaker 1:I know it is.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't wish that upon your worst enemy. So, but I like that it's real time yeah.
Speaker 1:So I do wanna mention one aside, because it was kind of weird, the interview With him. Mm-hmm, okay, I asked you if he sounded like he was high Right, and we didn't know. Oh, there's wait, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2:Finish, finish what you were going with first.
Speaker 1:So we didn't know because we had never heard an interview with him before. Right, the reason I asked that is because he spoke of everything being algorithms and when you see certain colors, it gives you certain feelings. I'm wondering if that's some sort of mind control that she was doing on him or I mean, we know that he was doing mushrooms Right.
Speaker 2:Which is, you know, a hallucinogen?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean the amount of times he mentioned algorithms and when you see red. First of all, it was when you see red, you thought of anger, but then later on he said when you see red, you think of love, and yeah or lust yeah, Because I think that's what that color represents, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was weird that the same color represented the different things to him. And it's also weird that colors actually I'm not saying, look, I understood what he was saying to a certain point Right, because my husband hates having a clock with the numbers being red. Okay, because to him that's it's very negative. He likes them to be blue because it's calming. So it's not like I don't understand what he's saying, because I do. There are things that you know colors do represent, oh, 100%. But first of all, he has been held captive, I guess, for eight years. He hasn't really had any kind of formal training or understanding. He sits there and he says that he doesn't understand. When he's angry, when he's sad, when he's happy, he doesn't understand the most basic emotion. But he's going into depth about algorithms and colors and what they represent and all of these things.
Speaker 2:I think it's because he probably was reading up on stuff like that. I I like how are you? How do you know what feelings you're having at this moment? So confusing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what I got so excited? Not excited, see I know it's so hard.
Speaker 2:It's really hard.
Speaker 1:Ugh, okay, two things, and then we're going to wrap up because we are not doing two hour episodes, but we so good, I know. Okay, number one when he went missing, they had said that he was walking his dog dogs because I think there was two.
Speaker 2:Yes, and everybody's wondering where these dogs are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Mm-hmm, anyway, and his inhaler and backpack were found because he has asthma. Turns out he doesn't have asthma, oh, oh yeah. And it also turns out that the backpack and the inhaler were planted by who Gee. So that was number one. Number two you had mentioned, you know, way back in the beginning when we were talking about that woman who befriended her in interviews and stuff like that. It's struck a memory. So, years prior to this, rudy was in the hospital. Because you know Are those the same pictures Could?
Speaker 2:be Okay.
Speaker 1:He had cancer or a tumor or something catastrophic and she had go fund me, you know, to help with that. I also believe he talked about it in the interview, because what we didn't know about that is that she had him take some medication to make him groggy and I think he said a handful of them and he asked her why. And basically it was don't question it, this is just what we're doing so that he can be put in the hospital.
Speaker 2:Gee, if this doesn't sound like Gypsy Rose's mom.
Speaker 1:It was at that moment that you popped in my head.
Speaker 2:I'm just curious how do people get this kind of medicine? I mean, I have to like go in begging for something to help take away some pain, and they're like I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it's harder now, for sure, but you know, 2010, 11, 12, it wasn't really that difficult, right you?
Speaker 2:know, I don't know, it's just weird yeah.
Speaker 1:By the way, she was on camera in a news conference talking about her son and how sick he is and how much help she needs. That's what jogged my memory. There's an interview with Jeannie. It is unbelievable the lengths this woman goes to. Okay, so let's leave it at this. Rudy is with Are we really leaving it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for right now Rudy is living or staying with mom's friend right, having limited contact with his family, right. That really is very concerned for him. Okay, so there's that. Jeannie has come out of the woodwork. She's been seen after this interview that he had, so she's no longer on the run. No, jeannie's not on the run with a gun.
Speaker 1:The cops, allegedly, are still in full investigation mode Allegedly and and this is all alleged, just so you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and again, I love how some people say it we're no experts, but you can do your own research on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we now know that he is not 25, he's 26. Correct, and he's not 25, he's 26. Correct, and there's that. I mean I don't know which more we can say, except for Holy cow, when we get the next round of new information, we'll definitely jump on it and tell you yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate again, it's very unfortunate, absolutely. But it's kind of fun being able to do it in real time. Fascinating. It's really fascinating and mind-blowing and mind-blowing. And I don't like cat, I don't sit and go through all these groups and all these videos and go down those rabbit holes. Oh, I do 100% I know.
Speaker 2:So when she tells me things and starts playing videos for me, I'm like ooh, ooh, ooh, and then I'll play my own and I'm like holy moly.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean it's just they're everywhere.
Speaker 2:If you guys look, it's everywhere, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1:It's absolutely crazy. And just so you know, when I look at the post from Janie or allegedly Janie in the group that I'm in, she's freaking nuts. It's so much fun.
Speaker 2:Okay, so just go on Facebook, look up Rudy's name, you will find you will find lots of groups.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And you will go down those rabbit holes, so enjoy.
Speaker 1:All right, so until either the next subject or the next update. Yeah, we will see you then, bye, bye.