Thought The Streets Was Fun .. Then My Bros Started Dying | Young Devi

He thought the streets were fun at first. Stealing bikes turned into stealing cars. House parties turned into gunfire. The lifestyle felt exciting—until the funerals started.
In this raw and honest conversation, he opens up about growing up between chaos, street influences, constant moving, juvenile detention, and the early mindset that made the streets feel normal. But everything changed when close friends and brothers started dying, betrayal entered the picture, and prison became reality.
He shares the pain of losing people he loved, getting hit with federal time, losing his mother while locked up, and wrestling with anger, grief, God, and purpose. This is more than a street story—it’s a story about trauma, survival, loss, and trying to make sense of everything after the damage is done.
This episode is for anybody who’s ever seen how fast “fun” can turn into funerals, prison, and pain.
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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Like no, we stealing cars, we selling dope, we shooting in the air or shooting up house parties. Like it's just fun. Then you get to seeing this in the in the casket. You're just like, oh, what the fuck is this? Yeah, see, my pops were never just, we were never just in the household. Uh I think he went and did a bid like shh. Man, as far as I can't even remember. I can never remember really a situation where it was like a family type, as far as my mama and him and me us just in one, you feel me? I think he caught his bid, I'm probably like one or two or something. And the shoot. As far as I remember, he went off and shit. So a lot of the way it was just my steppops, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

So did you have a relationship with your real pops?

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Uh not for real. Not until later just in life. He came home from uh prison at one point. I'm thinking I'm like, I don't know, I'm in middle school, and he tried to uh you know reach out and try to, you know, snatch his boy up and be like, you know what I'm saying, let's spend some time and kind of bond or something. But at the same time, that was even short-lived. I think he went back and did a bit even then. So the memory is kind of like vague as far as the time spending. The time spending and all that with him. But you know. How was your steppops and your moms in the household? Now that's kind of what I look at and just feel like that's where I got the most family feeling from. Like my steppops, he came in the phone. Like I say, I had two brothers. So it's a dude who came in and just kind of picked up all that. Like, you know, I'm fucking with Shorty, so boom, her and her kids, whatever, you know what I'm saying? And uh, you know, he was doing his one too. And uh, you know, everything was everything. You know, obviously they had their same challenges like any other relationship, but uh yeah, yeah, he you know, he stuck it out with us until he went and did his time too.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Damn.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Yeah. What did good times look like? Uh, you know, I was a wrestling fanatic and stuff, so shoot, we go to uh wrestling mass matches. Who was your favorite wrestler back then? Sting. So it was a uh WCW was Sting, but on WWF, man, I probably um Stone Cold was my boy, but uh uh Kane. I don't know. I've always been a weird, a different type of kid. So Kane and Sting, you know, with the mask and just the mysterious uh energy around him and stuff, you know. Shawn Michaels was my boy too, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Yeah, fly guy. But you said you got a crazy mix of you got a mix of some of those things in you, the mysterious, the fly guy. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

And then Stone Cold, the unapologetic, uh just rebel. Is that why you took to them? Probably so, yep. Yeah, we used to take that to the next level, though. We'll be wrestling in the room, jumping off the dressers, yeah. Niggas would put uh boxers or shorts on our heads, like it's some hair. Did y'all get the belt? Yeah, come on, man. I had every action figure, uh, the belts. I mean, you name, I really was a wrestling fanatic. So, like every Monday I'm watching Raw. Thursday, I'm watching uh SmackDown. Uh, you feel what I'm saying? Like for real. Saturday, uh, like all that. I was glued to that TV. I was a wrestling fanatic. Like they couldn't, you know.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

Were you uh fighting when people, when they were telling you it was fake?

SPEAKER_01 4:09

Uh nah, I mean, I'm just like, how shoot, man, these dudes in here fighting inside of a fire or jumping off the it's tacks all on the ground. Like you see these niggas bleeding. Man, crazy.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

My nigga, uh Man.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Mick Foley, boy, he you feel me? So I'm like, at that time, no, it wasn't as fake as it is now. Yeah. I think well, I think it's just more understood, like, man, this shit is fake. At least the storylines and all that probably was like, that probably was like made up, but I don't know. Them dudes was getting it in.

unknown 4:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

I was there when uh Owen Hart fell. I was gonna ask you that too.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Yeah, so like, man, shit. What was the arena, the feel in the arena if you they just kind of shit picked him up and continued with the show.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

So, you know, at first it seemed like it probably could have been a part of the show. Got it. Uh, but you see all the like the ambulance and all that stuff came and I mean, oh no, they just kind of continue with the show. So you didn't know till after the fact. See, it wasn't no social media then where you could look at your phone and be like, damn, uh this nigga is hurt for real. Or, you know. How long before you actually knew what happened? Probably that night. I think on the news or something, or maybe the next day or something, I don't know, but I know they end up uh talking about it on the news, like, hey man, that was some real stuff. And dude died. And it's like, damn. How'd you process that? I mean, I fuck with Omarhard too, that was my dog. So um, I don't know, he wasn't like my favorite, you know. So I'm just like, damn, that's messed up because I'm looking at it like, man, Steam come down there like that all the time. Or other dudes who come, I'm like, whoa. Yeah. Man, you got to be more careful, bro. Like, he just kind of fell and hit the turnbuckle, and it just kind of, like I say, wrestling, you never know what's scripted and what ain't, you know. So it seemed like it probably could have been a part of the thing, but I don't know. I just processed it like a kid and kept pushing. Owen Heart wasn't really one of my favorites, but just the fact that it's deaf, you like them.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

I got a feeling we'll get back to wrestling and fake in a minute, though. I want to go to y'all traveling all the time, y'all moving and stuff. Uh, did you understand why y'all was moving? Did it do you know now the reason y'all had to move so much?

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Uh yeah, now obviously looking back, uh shooting the Florida. Uh I think we was out one day, what was it like the Worlds of Fun or something? And the house got uh broke into. So I guess like at the time, shoot, uh my steppops and stuff, you know, was innocent stuff and things like that. You feel what I'm saying? Somebody broke into the house and something happened, or whatever the case was. I don't I don't know. But next thing I know, next day, shoot, we was in headed to Florida. It was like a 24-hour drive. Um just remember being uncomfortable, I think whining, like and so you know, we in Florida. We in school down there. Went to a school called uh Ocean City. Um and so we did that for like maybe a year or two or something.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Yeah. And we end up coming back. If you're looking at it now, was it a bit of a culture shock for you? Like even how elementary, how school was versus how school is out there.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

See, yeah, it was crazy because we in there with, I think we was like the only black kids in the school. I think we moved to some type of area where, like I say, I don't know, but uh we it's definitely different being the only black kids in the school and new at that. So it's like, man, I don't know. A lot of times niggas just was the new kid in school. So kind of as soon as you get settled in and uh adapting to what's going on and the who's who's, and next thing you know, like boom, starting over again, yeah, moving, another school. I'm sure we did that a lot. Um and just looking back, street reasons. Like my mama was more, she was real like a real uh Bonnie. You feel what I'm saying? Now that I'm looking back, like she was rocking with her dude, like whatever he into, whatever the case is, cool. Fuck it, nigga. We need to uh get up out of here. Come on, we gone. And uh shoot, man. Yeah, she was a real uh rider when it comes to like you know, her dudes and stuff, you know. I can only really think of two that I just really that really had an impact. But at the same time, like she went through her phase like my mama thought she was like a little player at a point. So yeah, she I got a lot of game from my mama just as far as just females and the shenanigans, all that, just because you know she was in the thick of it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

And you said y'all moved from Florida back to Kansas City, yeah. And then you say y'all moved somewhere else?

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Yeah, oh man or something. So Atlanta, we moved to Atlanta, I think that was just for like that, wasn't even the whole school year. Okay, but uh this was was that before or after Florida? I think that was before Florida. Really? Yeah, we stayed in Atlanta. It maybe it may have been after, you feel what I'm saying? I don't know. Like I said, I'm a kid. Yeah, I ain't really never thought like, damn, what was that? But and that was just some shit, uh like a downtime. We were struggling at that time. I remember just uh living in like shoot, even like motels and shit. Just my mama, just you feel what I'm saying. And just like whatever she was, like struggles or challenges she had, she just always had her boys with her, so shit. We down there, and um I think she got in some uh some trouble herself out in the city because uh, like I say, my mama, she was in the game and stuff, like you feel me. So she hustling, slinging shit and all that. I can't really tell you exactly why we had to up and lead to uh Atlanta, but we did. And um, yeah, fuck with my folks out there, Mona and them and shit, you know. My auntie Tamika was out there at the time too and shit. So, you know.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

If you think back, like now that you have an understanding of certain things, what do you think moving from all these places did to you?

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Oh no, like as far as because I I hear it all the time, motherfuckers would be like, well, you don't just move like a Kansas City, like a straight Kansas City nigga, which I'm Kansas City as it get, yeah, obviously, but just with having these different uh changes of environment or just meeting different people, different cultures and stuff like that, and sometimes even taking to it, or just whatever I grabbed from Florida or Atlanta or whatever, or even my pop side down in uh Louisiana, Streetport, nigga, go down there and just you know what I'm saying, be fucking with my family down there. So um I don't know, it just kind of created, you know, I don't know really what I grabbed from it, but I know something because motherfuckers tell me all the time, like I don't really just move like a straight Kansas City nigga or something. So but mind you, this was hell as a go too.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Yeah. When you say your pops, uh, you talking about your steppops or not, my real pops.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

So even while he was in prison, uh his pops, which was my grandpa, and that was probably the more uh father figure I had outside of my steppops, my grandpa always just being hands-on, always fucking with me, rocking with me, uh, whatever I needed or whatever, you know. He was like a father figure to me. So he'll come get us, me and my cousins, and them. And uh we'll go down there uh to Louisiana, some like holidays or some summers and stuff. And um shoot, just fuck with my pop's side of the family down there.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Do you do you are you inquisitive when it comes to that stuff? Do you like ask a lot of questions about how your father really is and stuff like that? Or do you just go along with the so now he out?

SPEAKER_01 12:19

So he's been gone. I think he probably did like 20 some odd years or something. So, but he out now, and uh we be talking, you feel what I'm saying, all the time. Um trying to uh make something of, you feel what I'm saying? Because when he was gone, I was kind of coming up and stuff. So by the time uh he came home, I was in the streets, you feel me, doing my stuff and things. And next thing you know, I end up start going to jail and stuff. So it's like almost a hit and miss. And I just did this last stretch, you know, a decade, and you feel me. So from his 20 and my 14 odd some years in the feds, like, you know, we land here. Yeah. So we're trying to piece it together.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Decade sounds so much worse than 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

Just the word. Man, wait, and no, when the judge said 100 and some months, that sounds worse. You like, oh a hundred and some months? What? I'd rather have said 10 years, 120 months. You know what I'm saying? Like, not even 120, 124. You had 124, but so.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Oh, that's probably what made you say, huh?

SPEAKER_02 13:35

Me start.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

I'm like, Tell her, what the fuck? 100 and some months. Because he dogged me, like, it wasn't even supposed to have been that. Yeah. He went over my guidelines and some more stuff. Like, I'm, you know, before sentence and you calculating the time, you like, okay, even if I gotta go do this, what's that, five, six years? Cool. At the time I was already locked up two. And on five, six, you're gonna do like four total. So I'm like, fuck it, I'll be right back. Either way, go. If I go in here and he, you know what I'm saying, give me the hot end. But um you got a nigga like Judge Case. Anybody in the Western district know Case, he ain't like it's a different animal you working with. So he's smacking everything coming before him. He ain't tripping, he ain't nothing. He like, fuck you. Bam! He just banging niggas left to right. So I'm like, man, how'd I get this fool? When was Louisiana? See, Louisiana was just kind of uh ongoing. It wasn't just a like the Florida thing. We went and came back. Louisiana, like I say, my uh pop side of the family down there, the Lewises. Yeah. So shit, man. That kind of was just was a whenever it happened. It wasn't every single summer or every single holiday, but just whenever my grandpa, like, hey, your family wanna see you. Um, I know my mama Jean, RIP, which is my grandma on uh on my pop side, she was crazy about me. Like, you feel what I'm saying? She loved me. So but I think her and uh my mom's had their differences. And so uh a lot of the time my mom's like, man, you ain't fucking with them. Like they don't really be embracing you, or nigga, they ain't really woo-wop. Fuck that, you know what I'm saying? On some shit like that, or whatever. Another thing a nigga had to process later, like, damn, what the hell was it all that about? Like, all the tension and um nigga, like, damn, I just like shit, nigga just wanted to see my folks, but she like, nah, they don't really fuck with you for real, like, you know what I'm saying? More so, like, uh, I don't know, she probably just wanted more. Or probably was uh it was probably a point in time where she probably was needing to lean on them or needing some help. Like I say, she got three boys, so she like, man, gotcha. Shit probably just wasn't moving, you know, at the speed she wanted it to, or whatever. My mama was crazy, man. You feel what I'm saying? God bless her soul too, RP, but she was, she was, she was, she was something else, man. For sure. I'd be the first to tell you. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

So when you want now that you're older, you you when you think about some of that stuff, because it it's a few people who came on here and said like that father wasn't in their life, but as they got older and really got to speak to them, they were able to really process what may have been going on back then. Like it wasn't totally like they thought it was on the past right, and you kind of like I could see why.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Yeah, uh, I see that like, especially in terms of like, so like me, like me and my brothers used to have these little things we'd do, like uh when we get to popping our shit at each other, like nigga, your daddy, you know what I'm saying? And like they daddy Mexican and shit. So I'll be like, nigga, your daddy woo up. They be like, nigga, yo jailbird daddy, nigga, that nigga ain't even woo up. You African booty scratchers, shit like that. Just kids being kids. So we get to talking about each other's daddy, and it was always like uh some shit like that, like nigga, your daddy ain't even here, nigga, they ain't in jail, you know what I'm saying? So I think a lot of some resent came from that end. Just my mom's kind of, she probably was just like, man, this nigga ain't so some of the shit she just uh you know used to pop about it too, but I got older and um shoot, you just looking at it like a nigga in the streets. You feel me? The nigga was in the streets, he got some time, and he he went and knocked it out, like shit, deal what he's supposed to do. Like, ain't no smut on it, like I ain't no hot shit, no rat shit attached to it. So who the fuck am I to be mad that a nigga had to go do his time? I'd rather that, I'd rather him go do his time and however many years that was than to be having to accept the fact that I got a rat ass pops. You feel what I'm saying? And um, yeah, so as I got older, I took that for what it was. Nigga just did his time solid and knocked it out. You feel what I'm saying? Just like my uncle, my uncle Animal and shit. That nigga was a real jailhouse uh dog too. You feel what I'm saying? Niggas had to knock this shit out. I got older, I started doing bids my own self, so I learned first hand, like, damn, nigga ain't wanting to do this, but shit, when it's called, you gotta go do it, shit, you gotta go do it.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Were they fathers in their life? They Mexican fathers?

SPEAKER_01 18:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

They had the same pops.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

Yeah, so my two oldest brothers, they got the same pops. You feel what I'm saying? Um Gaberto, you feel me? They used to uh Yeah, they had him in a he ain't never I can't say he ain't never did a bid, I don't know, but he definitely was in their lives. Probably not to to the degree like my mama was something else, you feel me? So probably not to the degree she wanted him to be, but you know, just times where he always had a spot where them niggas could go to, or he'll come grab them, or he'll even come grab me though, too. Like, you know, uh when he picked them up, or you know, he shit. I was the kid that the black kid around the Mexican uh family, and uh they love the nigga too. They embraced me. Um I ain't know till later in the game where you know like Negro. I'm like, I ain't I ain't know really at the time, like what like Negro, what the fuck is now I get older, I'm like, okay, how Negro, oh okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

You know, but so you didn't never feel left out then when it came to daypops always took you, or it was yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

Okay, so I mean, unless I just wanted to stay, I ain't wanted to go, but uh yeah, nah, man. Coberto was uh that's my pot in him. I just hollered at him the other day, too. He he say uh Trump looking for him. Yeah. He says he's ducking ice is man. Damn it. I mean not ice is uh ice. Yeah. So yeah. But nah, man, they fuck with me. Man, I fucked with them. And when I got older, got to doing my thing and stuff, they was you know, proud of me. Proud to say, like, hey man, that's my nephew or my son or my, you know, whatever, my cousin. They claim a nigga and stuff. Pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Yeah. You said y'all was bad kids. So of course you bad in the house, bad, and then you start a little doing little things in the neighborhood, like you said, stealing bikes and stuff like that. What was like, and I also heard you say you do some did some juvenile time too. So when did it really start like turning a little bit once you got outside? Or once you got a little when it went from just stealing bikes and shit like that. Uh what landed you in juvenile? Well, shit. Oh one at all.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Well, shit, man. Just me and the niggas I'm running with, my cousins and them, bro, niggas was in the streets. You feel me? They was already in the streets before I jumped in the streets, so you know, them influences and things. Uh I think my first time in juvenile, some shit down at the parade, some shooting shit at the parade or something. And uh boom. When got locked up for shooting at the parade. Then after that, uh just in and out stealing cars. So I graduated from stealing bikes to stealing cars. So I stayed in that motherfucker, getting caught in stories and shit. You know what I'm saying? I don't know, I just always wanted to pull up. I fucking bikes. When I started like driving, I'm like, shit, I'm trying to pull up nigga, skirt. Like I ain't trying to put my foot on the back pet on the back wheel and stop. Like I'm cars, you know, so niggas hopping in cars at the gas station. Going to brookside or whatever, stealing cars when they people leave and running or whatever. Or even just you feel what I'm saying, jumping in them motherfuckers. Uh-uh. We just start stealing cars and getting caught in them bitches. I'm driving them in the same neighborhood as I'm stealing them from. Five, ten minutes away. So silly.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

Going back to the first time at Juvenile, though, after you did, how long did you have to do in Juvenile?

SPEAKER_01 22:26

I did uh like six to eight months.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

So after them six, after them six to eight months, you didn't during those six to eight months, what did it feel like? Did it feel like hey, I'm gonna get out and change, or it was like I'm turning up even more once I nah, I feel like I wanna because I was like, so my mind at the time, like I say, I was just always a follower to my brothers and my cousins and them.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

So I was just, I was the youngest. So I'm in my mind, I'm feeling like, shit, okay, nigga, this go this gonna solidify, nigga. Like, nigga, I'm knocking this shit out, yeah. You feel me? Then I'm in there doing little shit, I'm fighting, I'm uh, you know, doing all the little shit. You feel me? Uh so I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna get out, nigga. This, you know, like you say, getting them stripes. So in my uh young mind, I'm like, yeah, nigga, I'm I done did some time now. Nigga, fuck what niggas talking about. Niggas ain't doing time for real. So I don't know. But yeah, so I feel like that was more of a stripe than a learning curve. What what are the politics like in juvenile though? Shit, it's hood politics. You had us, I'm from the 50s, yeah. So um got the 50s, uh, you got the the 30s, you feel what I'm saying? 20s, down north niggas, and all that shit. So I don't know. At the time it was like the 50s and 27th Street niggas was kind of like uh super into it. So it's like most of my run-ins at the time was from like 27th Street niggas, pro niggas and shit. Yeah. Uh yeah, just inheriting all the static and funk just from my folks, my cousins and them and shit, you know, my niggas, it hardly wasn't ever just my, like me, like niggas probably wasn't knowing me, especially at the time, like you kid, like who the fuck are you? But like, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

So, so when you when you I know we see on TV all the time the entrance to prison, how they get there and all this. How is it like going to juvenile though? How do you get there? How do you what's what do they make you do when you go on injury? You know how they spray them down, check them and all that. All that same shit. Same stuff in juvenile.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Yeah, oh yeah. Okay, the most probably to me at the time was probably the most like what squat cough, like what? Yeah, spread what? Like, mm-hmm. Oh, I think I had to do uh a couple days in the hole because when I first got there, I'm like squatting coughing. No, I'm not doing none of that. What are y'all talking about? No, you feel me? And uh, yeah, so I never made it past intake, and I was in the hole, the little hole in the intake part, and saying till a nigga was ready to squat and cough. I think they just more so was just making a uh statement to me more than anything, because like what the fuck nigga ain't got shit.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

And when you get in there, how do they know? How do you know who you with? You know what I'm saying? Like, is it the same as prison?

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Yeah, to a degree. I mean, you knowing, like I'm from the 50s, so who like who in this bitch from the 50s or whatever? You just go in there and just say that. Nah, because it ain't like on some Cali shit. Or it's sometime it was. Like, nigga, who you where you from? Who you, you know what I'm saying? But like you knowing some niggas and shit, and mothers be them tells you like nigga, yeah, we over here, like nigga, them the suckers, or whatever the case is, and like, okay, cool. This us right here, who this the home you too, slap fives with him or whatever. But I mean, something uh it'd be something to let you know like who your old folks is and who the suckers is, or the ops, or whatever niggas call that shit, and shit. Yeah. But like I said, at the time I was a kid kid. I'm like 14 when I first went through there. So niggas wasn't knowing me. I'm just a kid, probably who they feel like, man, just what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 26:32

So you what were you scared on your way to juvenile? Because you didn't know what you were going in there to.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Uh yeah, I ain't gonna say scared, but like nervous, like as far as the unknown or what the fuck was about to be like, you know what I'm saying? So I can I can say that, but at the same time, I'm knowing too, like, I'm just saying in my mind, like, man, I got to stand tall, like however or whatever. Fuck it. Like, you feel me? Uh it's just gotta be. So I'm thinking I'm feeling like I'm having to, because you always hear motherfuckers say, like, when you get somewhere you go to jail, you just take off somebody, let niggas know you ain't bullshitting. So as a kid, in your mind, you like, I just gotta let these niggas know I ain't faking. Like, nigga, I ain't that. Like, nigga, ain't I ain't going. Just like I ain't going. I was a kid, a scriny little kid too. So, but my mindset just was I ain't going. And that been my mindset still through my whole uh little career as far as bidding.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

What was your first statement when you got in there? You know what I'm saying? Like making your statement like I'm I'm him, ain't nothing. Really?

SPEAKER_01 27:35

And it's crazy you say that based off what I just said, because my first encounter was a nigga, a nigga had dropped me. You feel what I'm saying? Uh I'm going to get my shit from the uh to go to the shires. I think I was like on X team or Y. I was on Y team or something in detention center. And I think a nigga already was knowing, like, okay, I'll fuck with to them, the suckers, like I'm from the 50s or something. So a nigga like, shit, I'm grabbing my shit to go to the uh to the to the Shire. I turn a corner and nigga take off on me. You know what I'm saying? Drop me. Boom. And I ain't get a chance to, because by the time he did that, like, it's Gans at the time. I think um did somebody say Gans died or something. This was one of the COs, one of the staff members there. Everybody, whoever did like detention time, they knew Gans. So he jumped up and he tackled buddy and shit like that. Then oh, the other uh staff nigga, niggas know him too, he grabbed me. So I a situation I had to eat. Like, damn, like that nigga got off on me, like, okay, cool. Fast forward time though, like some other shit. And I'm not saying I fixed that, but at the time I just had to like, damn, like, this bitch ass nigga got off on me. Like, fuck. Like, I was pissed. You know, but shit wasn'thing I could do.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

How long did you have to sit in that though? Like, was it fucked? How long was it fucking with you?

SPEAKER_01 28:56

It fucked with shit. It fucked with me until I was able to, you feel what I'm saying? Like, and that was probably like two, three years after the fact. Like, so I only did like six, eight months then, but I never like caught up to Buddy, you feel what I'm saying, until like some short time later. And by then I'm like, oh, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, that sat on a nigga that whole time, because that was kind of the only shit that, even though any, like, especially now, I'm looking at it like, okay, a nigga get snuck, you get dropped, like, well, what can a nigga do about that? You feel me? But I just feel like because the way the nigga was blowing, really more than just that. The nigga was blowing like, yeah, nigga, while we getting like cuffed and took to the whole, I'm like, eh, I'm like, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

That's just what's that. So you really didn't really get to like establish yourself off of that right there, because you took the bad in, even though it's like it wasn't like y'all y'all got to square up or nothing for real, like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

But in that kind of went to the street, like it kind of was a thing, like, nigga, you know, I said, oh, hey, motherfucker, put you down, type shit.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Yeah, yeah. Oh. So when were you able to like really put put it? I'm not talking about on this person, I'm talking about actually like let them know your name. You, you know.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Every time after that, I'm just like, I got to be the aggressor. I I didn't want to feel like that again. Like a nigga able to, because I knew dog was like a a sucker, but I I wasn't even painting no mind. Like my nigga already told me, like, nigga, this nigga and them niggas, like, you feel me. But uh, like I ain't really, I ain't feel like it was like pressure toward Ollie. I need to be like, you know, on it. But I guess whole time, they like, man, get on him. Talking about me. So sorry, I mean shit after that. I just made sure I was the aggressor every time I'm initiating it, you feel me? Every time after that. And since then, like I say, at that point, I was probably like 14 or something, 14, 15. Every since a nigga done been the uh just I'm taking the initiative. Ain't no more taking off on me. I'm taking off. Yeah. And you said you did eight months? Six to eight. Six to eight. Well, that was my sentence. I ended up doing like I think I think just like six, like six months or something.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Six months. So by that time, you you probably like soaking in the lifestyle of juvenile, and certain things are attaching to your mind. So when you get out of juvenile, how do you, if you looking back at it now, like what do you feel like was put on you from juvenile that made you start acting different in the street?

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Uh probably really just man, just understanding, like, man, this shit is real. Just this hood shit. Like at the time, I was so just wrapped up into like this 50 shit. Like, as early on, five block shit. Like, I'm I just you know what I'm saying, love my hood. So, like, and a lot of niggas, a lot of the city, like, you know, don't fuck with the 50s or whatever. So me just understanding that, like, oh shit, we we kind of got the eyes stacked against us, like anywhere nigga go, it's always tension, it's always static. And it, I don't know, nigga just was willingly ready to uh engage, I guess. Like, whether it's on some juvenile shit or just in the streets or whatever. Like, I'm just like, in my mind, that was you feel me, like my calling or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

Yeah, did it it made you a little more ruthless or whatever when you got back out on the streets? Yeah. Or maybe a little bit more of a renegade problem.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Just wanting to dive deeper. Yeah. Uh just knowing, like, man, these niggas, I just don't know, especially then. I just felt like niggas can't fuck with my niggas. Like, we, what you call it? So I'm like, man, however, we gotta show it. Sometimes niggas, like I said, I was a scrawny little kid too. So I know dudes was looking like, man, anytime we can get up with that little nigga, you know what I'm saying? Go ahead. But nah, like, you know, I'm going.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

You um I'm sure you're probably familiar with how small the Hoovers was in Cali at one point, compared to all the other gangs and stuff. Would 50s be compared to that, having to like solidify your name and like everybody ain't fucking with y'all, so y'all gotta.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

I guess you can say that, especially how the Hoover like shit branched off from like the actual like Crips and you know, went like criminal with it or whatever. Oh, you can say that because Hoover's definitely static, and it's on it seemed like with all other Crips, bloods, or whoever, like, and with the 50s, it's like we like the smallest hood almost. Like, you think in terms of the 50s, you think 20s, 30s, or anything else down north, that shit kind of go from damn near like either Van Brynt way to like truce, it's just all types of different hoods. Whereas our shit really, you know, I'm from Prospect to Purcell, but like, you know what I'm saying? We got some folks over on the other side, Bell Fountain and shit, Waber. Um, but it's really almost just prospect to perceive and like some forest niggas, a block, give or take on the other side, but it really is just that little portion. So it's like, damn, everybody, all these other, you know what I'm saying, big ass hoods or whatever, like, you know, it's static with just us. So you know, definitely. But even still, I feel like like shit, my niggas always been, you know, we was pushing shit before all type of other little shit, niggas getting exposed or ratting and all that other shit. But like at that time, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:53

I'm gonna jump back a little bit. When y'all was still in the bikes, and of course, when you say you were still in the car and stuff like that, and you were staying in the same vicinity of where you took them from, y'all ain't never had no run-ins.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

Hell yeah. It was a run-in right on uh like a block away from my house, man, on park. Like, we coming through. So, like, we had a thing, we used to steal bikes and sometimes like we'll spray paint them or just do something different to where it's like, you know. Sometimes though niggas probably would just say fuck it, and you know, at the time you had mongooses and shit like that, where it's like nigga pegs, gold pegs. Like, it's probably one nigga in the hood probably had a mongoose with gold pegs. So you come through that motherfucker, mongoose with gold pegs, and a nigga hit shit missing. Like, you like hold up. But yeah, it was a situation. Um, and it was just a big ass hood fight, even. Like a little nigga whose shit I stole, well, I didn't even steal it, but I was riding it, and his pops had came out in us, and they chased that motherfucker down, down to get my people, and we came through that motherfucker. And shit, his pops made him like fight me, like nigga, go fight him. Like, so he pushed him, egging them on, like as you can imagine, the pops like nigga, go handle business. You feel what I'm saying? And uh, yeah, like niggas and got into uh fights and shit, you know what I'm saying? All type of static and shit about that stuff. Like it wasn't it was shit to it for sure. I forget this one nigga from the hood name, he used to steal everybody's bikes, man. Uh this nigga, he was kind of slow. I feel like, oh, this nigga Donald, that's yeah, fuck yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? He used to, so it's crazy because we stealing everybody's bikes, and he come through and steal bikes we stole this nigga Donald and shit. And then he'll come through riding the bike. And like, I think he used to keep like some headphones on, and he'll come through on the bike and just tripping. So then you go to try and chase nigga down, you can't never catch him. Like, it's crazy. Like, anybody from the 50s know this nigga, I swear to God, and he'll come through, he'll steal your bike or whatever the case is, and he just swing through with his headphones on, just casually, like nigga. A slow, he like retarded. Yeah, it's uh bro, I can't even process it. It's crazy. Something like he can't even talk, he talked like like he can't even talk type shit. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

I don't know. It's wild though. So the the mix up with you and the the other young fella that you took his his bike, right? Well, you didn't take it, but somebody else took it. Uh how did what was the outcome of that?

SPEAKER_01 37:35

Uh his pops just, I think we ended up fighting like three, four different times in the same period. Okay. But like, so I he was like way smaller than me, type shit. And at the time, excuse me like we like so like me and all the homies in the hood and shit, we always be like slap boxing and shit like that. So niggas knowing how to like I'm I'm feeling like I'm too like no more experience. Yeah, so he just was like just short as fuck and shit, and I'm moving, I'm linky, you know what I'm saying? Uh-huh. And his pops like whole time in the background, like, you know, agony moan and shit. So I think at one point, you know what I'm saying, he caught me with a good one, I think, bust my nose and shit, or whatever. I don't know. I can't really like it. Just was a kid fight, and he just felt like his he like fuck it. Pop say fight and I'm fight. I ended up knowing the nigga after that though, and you know, cool nigga and stuff. Did he get his bike back? Nah. I mean, because like as far as we like, nigga, it's not y'all bike. This, you know what I'm saying? That's messed up, man.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

It's it's it's our bike. Thinking about that, like now, like, do you see how messed up that is? Yeah, for sure. One, you took his bike, so he has every right to be messed up. Two, he's smaller than you, really ain't probably ain't got the experience you got. So he's taking two beatings in a sense. Three, he probably taking a beating from his pops, too.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Yeah, it was kind of messed up, man. But like somewhere in our warped minds, like we like, I don't know. I feel like that's our bike. Yeah. Kind of like a nigga steal your lighter. He had it for over like a day or so, two, three, or a week. That's his lighter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

I don't know. Like, I don't know, it's just our bike. And when it came to the car situations, y'all never had an issue.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

Yep. Uh, I ended up stealing my nigga Tommy Gunn car before. He stole your own homie. I didn't know it was like he wasn't my homie at the time. Oh. And I didn't know it was him till later we was doing, we was, we was bidding together. And he was talking about a situation that happened. Like, man, yeah, some little niggas over there. Whoa, whoa. And I'm like, damn, I'm listening. I'm like, nigga. Cause the way it happened, yeah. My me, my nigga Wayney, RP and shit. Uh yeah, we he left it running. Like on our block. Mind you, I stayed out, I stayed on 50 feet between Wabash and Olive. So this a nigga, and we always up and down Olive and Wabash all through that motherfucker. So, like, nigga, we stealing cars heavy at this time. So a nigga just pull up, jump out, leave his car running. Yeah. The fuck this a gimme. This a layup. Like, nigga, what? It's on, it's no second guessing. Nothing. Like, nigga, what? As soon as he walked in the house and that door shut. I only think we had a discussion, like, who walk immediately? Oh, it's like with second nature. Hop in that motherfucker. So, boom, I go hop in that bitch. Pull off. I think it was like a camera or something. Shit. But at the time, I ain't processing like, all right, go somewhere far and what you call it. So I end up just pulling like around the corner and down the street a little bit, like nigga, boom, to a spot. So when I get in that motherfucker, I'm seeing all the shit. He got dummy throwbacks in this motherfucker. Mitchell and this, Hardwood Classic. Boom, a little step a little step further. We open the trunk. Niggas, pounds of weed and shit in this motherfucker. So I'm like, oh shit. So while we in the process of going through the car and just kind of getting all this shit, like we ain't even thinking, like, you know, he the nigga done jumped in the car with somebody else and looking for his car. So they must have hit the block and shit. Where we what where we was at, he jumped in the car, you know what I said, with my nigga, my other homie Tito, you know what I'm saying, at the time too. Ain't they my nigga at the time, but I fed fast forward time like then that was you too. So they spot us. So they pull up, jump out. Mind you, these grown-ass men. You feel what I'm saying? We kids and shit. So okay. Yeah. So they, you know, based on whatever in their car, they like nigga, nigga, they tripping. So they pull up, they bounce out tripping, like they got heats and some more shit. Like, yeah, we like, oh shit. So immediately I just bail. So I start running. Boom, the niggas start chasing me and shit. And uh, I'm just too fast and shit. So I can get away, jump a fence. You feel what I'm saying? Run, run, run. And uh, I think they caught up with my nigga Wayney though. So, however that ended up turning out, I don't know. But obviously they got that shit back and uh like we ain't gonna from it. So, fast forward time. I learned that was him. He like, nigga, yeah, learned the where is what kind of cars and all that. I'm like, damn, boy. Like, well, your little bass boy was gonna fuck you up, boy. I'm like, shit, you weren't about to catch me at all. Like, nigga, I was gone. A little a part where I ended up getting away, because I just remember it was a driveway, and it was a car in a driveway, and it was like some type of deck that poke out from the house on the side of the house with some stairs. And I'm like I said, I'm scrony, so I'm running from this nigga. I was able to squeeze through that little bitty part where he he probably couldn't. So I was able to squeeze through that, and then I'm slowed him down, bucked that fence, got somewhere on his ass.

SPEAKER_00 43:11

Yeah. Yeah, but they basically from your area, right? Yeah. You know, niggas is petty. They don't let that type of shit.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

They come ride through looking for you every yeah. So mind you, at the time that happened, I was like 14, 15. By the time I finally ended up catching up with him in the joint and we talking about it, I was well in my 20s. So it was more so like, boy, we laughing about it for real. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 43:37

No, no, I I didn't mean after you then told him who you were. I'm saying, like, because he seen your face as a kid, right? When you was a kid. Oh no, because it was I don't even I can't just dusted him so quick. Oh, okay. Cause that that's what I'm saying. Like, usually when something like well, a lot of the times when something like that happens, if they don't get you, they coming back the next day to see if they see you. You know.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

But if he didn't see you that I think they know like these is kids, man. They probably just would have beat us up or something, but I don't think they really had because otherwise he'd have started firing and just it could have, you know, smoked me for real, hit me all in the back. Boop boop boop. True story. And it could have been that. Like, but cause he even said it too. Like, well, I started to. I'm like, shit, I'm glad you didn't.

SPEAKER_00 44:23

And how long you said y'all had it before they caught it? Not even probably 20 minutes. Uh, so you ain't even like you saw what you saw the Metro and Nases and the and the weeds and the shit.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

Oh, shit, like straight from the cleaners in the back. So normally I'm just coming for the car. But I'm looking at the shit, the the uh throwback jerseys and shit in the back, all wrapped in plastic, like from the cleaners and shit. So mind you, at this time, throwbacks is that. You throw it. I used to, nigga, I'm still on my cousin, them throwbacks and shit. Like, nigga, throwbacks, nigga was nigga. Hey, so I'm looking at a stack of these bitches back here, a cool 20 of them. I'm like, oh, fuck the game up. Nigga, I'm about to come with different throwback A rich. Oh, you were just gonna wear them. Of course, yeah, I'm just gonna wear a wear that man.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Yeah, I was gonna wear them bitches for sure. I thought you was gonna sell them. So had you had you uh had you dealt with weed or anything at that time before seeing it in the yeah, I was selling weed at that time.

SPEAKER_01 45:26

I was probably like a a cheeseburger selling it, a quarter pound, probably an ounce. I'm probably buying an ounce and sagging it up at that time for real. I don't know, somewhere near, just buying enough to do what I'm needing to do and sell it enough to recop and keep going, keep, you know.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

And when you seen that, you was like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

I was already, I'm like, damn, boy, I'm about to be, I'm about to fuck him up in these throwbacks like niggas, niggas about to have me fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

Then seeing that in the trunk is kind of like, I don't know if you're familiar with Martin, the show. Yeah. The show, and you know he won he won a million, two million dollars. He thought he won two million dollars, the lotto, and so he started buying all this shit for his apartment and stuff, and found out it was a split between like a lot of people, so it came out to like $20 a piece or something like that. So he you start adding up all the stuff that you're gonna get once you like.

SPEAKER_01 46:28

I say, with that, I was more so like these throwback jerseys. I'm like, I'm about to fuck them, I'm about to fuck the game up.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

I'm about to have a different throwback every day. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So what when did stuff start like getting kind of scary in the streets for you?

SPEAKER_01 46:46

Probably around a time where shit, like my nigga Marlo got smoked. Marlo and Cali and shit. Uh that was probably like the first brush of death that motherfuckers had to deal with. How old were you? I was like 15. This happened uh Christmas Eve 2004. So uh, yeah, like them, like they got smoke trying to hit a lick. You know what I'm saying? The same shit we doing every day, they got smoke trying to do, so it's like, like, damn, like you know, a little wake-up call, like, oh shit, like shit be fun and shit up until niggas start getting smoke and shit like that. Like, you know, but before that shit happened, you a young nigga, you banging like this shit fun. Like, we stealing cars, we selling dope, we shooting in the air or shooting up house parties, like it's just fun. But, you know, then you get to seeing niggas in the in the casket, it's like, oh shit, what the fuck is this? Especially somebody that you would every day, sleeping in the same spot. Like, we had a little spot on Euclid. We all everybody there together at the same time. It's like, then you get to living life without these same niggas there all the time. It's like, damn, this shit different. Then it's like shortly after that, shit, shit just kept happening. Like, shit. Then niggas get to catching fed bids. Like my cousin ended up going to the feds. I think that was like 05, and then shit. My other nigga, other niggas just start getting smoked, 05, 06, 07. Like niggas just start getting smoked and shit. Like, shit start getting real. So you like obviously this shit having an impact on you is humbling you along the way, but at the same time, you you you out here, so you like, man, you know. But that's running time, shit start getting real. I think really more so when my nigga Wayne got killed, because it was like some uh like you know, back door shit, like some homie shit, and it's just like you just you you gotta acknowledge that and be like, whoa shit, and kind of start looking at that shit through a different lens, like nigga, homies killing homies. Like, what the fuck, nigga? Part of the game is that like and then after that another situation happened, you know what I'm saying? The fat guy and shit like that. And you know what I'm saying? Well, the fat guy got smoked after tank, then tank got it's just all niggas start getting smoked, so you know, you start looking at the game like, man, I can't, like this ain't no game. I can't be out here playing. It's not a joke. Yeah, you know, it's not no joke where it's just not all fun and shit like that. House party, like, it's no gimmick, like niggas is getting smoked, so tighten up. Still be out here doing all that same shit, though. Just tighten up, I guess. And it's kind of what I told myself.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

What was your mindset between the the first uh death you dealt with versus the one uh in between the one where you dealt with what you said Wayney, his name was with it being somebody in count with uh with the first one, like I said, that shit kind of happened.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

Them niggas was trying to hit a lick, and some type of just something happened, like they ain't really map it out right. So that kind of like was the game, I guess. Like you you going on these licks playing, you can't play. Like if niggas would have been more put together, that probably wouldn't have happened. But like And that's still like a brother to you though, right? That person, yeah. Yeah, more low, like that was my my oldest brother, like they was best friends and shit. So obviously that's like my big bro. Yeah, so um it was just like you feel what I'm saying, like okay, you can't be playing on these licks, like it's not all just fun. You gotta be, cause you can die. So it's like I understood that, like, okay, cool. Then the other shit happened with Wayney. Now it's like another uh revelation or realization that damn niggas is snakes too. Like, nigga, it's all type of this shit coming from all types of different angles. Hitting the lit, get smoked. Homies smoke you. Then, like I say, tank after that, nigga, suckers smoke like this shit just niggas start knowing like damn boy. Your ass can get smoked.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

How how do you figure out how to move when you got a Judas right beside when you possibly got a Judas right beside you? Dressed up as a friend.

SPEAKER_01 51:15

It's like it ain't even no nothing, like you just gotta be just count your blessings because anybody, it could have easily been me. Like you not knowing this nigga a Judas, you can't spot it, because if you know like then this nigga probably killed me, you probably won't be with him. So it's just one of them situations. And that same that same shit too, like it almost was a a close, it was a close call with me. And the same way, like that shit happened with Wayney, it almost like happened with me like shortly a little bit after, too. But like the way shit unfolded, I was able to peep. And uh, like, yeah. But it ain't no way to know. Like, if they had a sign or some type of way to be like, man, this is a Judas, or this nigga uh smoke you, like I said, I niggas would have moved different and wouldn't have been trusting their life in these niggas' hands or letting these niggas be behind them or whatever the case is, but niggas ain't know. So, like I say, that shit just it's a sticky situation when you fucking with niggas who, you know, and almost most of the niggas I fucked with all got smoked by like homies, like in the 50s, it's that shit sticky like that. Yeah, real.

SPEAKER_00 52:25

It's important to make mention of that because a lot of the people, like if you listen to a lot of this content, even like from Chicago and stuff like that, and you know, they're they're actually artists and stuff, like, why don't you move out of your hood or whatever, or move from where you're from? Well, I know how to move. I know exactly how to move, but not knowing it could be a jewelry.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

They think they know how to move. Huh? They thinking they know how to move, but every nigga who done got put under thought so too. Like I say, really just be shoot, God with certain I ain't gonna say just God would him, because God would everybody, but I don't know. You just gotta, man, I don't know. You feel me? Like, just tighten up and just don't put too much stress in that none of these niggas for real. Like, you feel me? Unless you just know beyond a shadow of doubt, or this family or some shit like that, but even still, then you just gotta be mindful, man. Like that instinct of motherfucker. I feel like it's always gonna be something in a nigga gut, but sometimes like we just ignore it. But you can't ignore that. You feel what I'm saying? You gotta, like, nah, I ain't about to be over here. I get an instinct, and I probably was gonna go somewhere or do something, but it I get a gut feeling, or just some my intuition that I'm cool. I'm listening to that motherfucker, and that probably will work. That's probably what worked shit for me up to this point. Like, I ain't by the grace of God, but I ain't never been shot or none of that.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

Like, you got a story of your intuition telling you not to do something that you really wanted to do, but you didn't do it, and found out something happened, and you would have been there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

I got hell of them, but I guess one of the uh one of the main ones is even just uh my nigga fat guy, you feel me? Yeah, uh when he got smoked and shit, uh he was supposed to I had been going to hit a lick. And uh was telling me, like, well, let's come on, like niggas supposed to be like this and that much in that motherfucker, and it's late at the time, but it wasn't even like uh like normally I'm jumping on any, I'm like, nigga, where? Come get me, or you know, but this particular time I'm like shit, man. Uh fucking with it. Cause at the time, uh, we just start like rapping and shit and like doing a little shit like that. So I think I ended up was fucking with uh my nigga Rondo that night, Rondo and Lil Mo over Lil Mo House. So I'm like, no, I'm about to fuck with cousin. I'm like, nigga, we on this. Um then fast forward time the next day, shit, niggas get up. Niggas like, where the fuck fat? Ain't nobody heard from fat. And then shit, it was just niggas ain't heard nothing until we found out, like, damn. And they found him in a uh vacant house type shit, shot in the back of the head, type. So I'm like, damn, boy, like, you know what I'm saying? It makes you be like, damn, uh, you know, probably for a fact, like nigga probably been laid next to the nigga probably, type shit. It's yeah, shit like that. It's just that intuition. Sometimes you you consciously following it, sometimes you unconsciously just but you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

And then the environments we're raised in, and you we're taught even if they don't say it, we're taught not to cry. And all of that stuff. When you first dealt with that type of death, was it hard for you to cry? Did you cry at the funeral? Did you cry to yourself?

SPEAKER_01 56:13

Did you No, it wasn't hard for me to cry. These are my brothers. So shit, that shit hurt. Shit hurt a nigga to the core. Like these niggas, you just realizing these niggas you with every single day, like they not here no more. So life is just different. You wake up, probably call these niggas like, damn, bitch ass nigga, where you at? Nigga, I'm about to pull up or nigga, nigga, roll up or whatever. Like this, you you with these niggas every single day to where you realize I'm like, damn, these niggas ain't no calling this nigga no more or woo-wop, or you know, hell nah. Like, shit, nigga, cry the river. Yeah. About them niggas for sure. Did you ever become numb to it? Yep. I did. It's like at this point now, I feel like, like, I don't know. I kind of sometimes question myself, like, damn niggas, you like human? Like, where's your like what the fuck? Because I didn't got so numb. It's like a nigga can't, like, you know, I still cry just about whatever I allow myself that moment to. You feel what I'm saying? Cause like I say, fast forward time, I done lost damn near everybody who, you feel what I'm saying, really means something to a nigga, aside from just, you know what I'm saying, a select few, but so I just allow myself a moment, you feel I'm saying, just throughout the course of like, man, it'd have happened, it'd just happen fast. You know what I'm saying? I allow myself a moment, literally fast, like within seconds.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:44

And then boom, I'm back to regular shit. Cause this, we're talking about mamas at this point, brothers and shit like that. Like, so that shit just to randomly come over you. Boom, something just out of nowhere. You be riding down, or a song would come on or something, or just a certain something, something that just to put you in the mindset, and then you just miss the shit out of the ass. So then you just process it. But I'm one of them type of people I don't like being like sad type, I don't like accepting embracing just sad shit or none of that. Like I won't, at this, you ask me, I'll I probably won't attend no more funerals or none of that shit. Just because I don't like, bro, I I I like to control the energy I'm in. Yeah. And so if it's up to me, I want to just be all, you know, good vibes, like, you know, shit like that. So if I'm noticing I'm in a sad mood or mad, any of that shit, I immediately try to just shake it. And that's just kind of that work, that's what works for a nigga. Yeah. Do you think that's healthy? Uh it is, but sometimes it ain't, because if it if you just allow that shit to build up, then that shit'll kind of uh take on its own way of uh letting itself out in just a crazy random way. So you just gotta allow yourself some time to decompress or just like just have that moment, you know. Like I said, when I had them little, and they just be random. They random. You don't even know I could be driving down the street, bobbing my head, listening to some some shit or whatever. I look over and just something like I've been seeing a car my mama used to drive, or just something that my brother, something, it just would be something random, then you just kind of drift and think about the ass and miss them. Yeah. And then it's just like, you know. How'd you lose your middle brother? Shit, and it got killed. Gun violence, man. Same, just like I say, some inner, some inner uh, some inner doings, you know. But um his situation wasn't just like a fat guy type situation or Wayne, it was more so like my brother Wani was a you know, uh it was a different type of nigga, you know. So he moved just in a a certain type of energy, like he was real just hoggish, like he just kind of always be on bullshit, you feel what I'm saying? Like a bully type nigga, yeah. You feel what I'm saying? And just a situation one day. At the same time, he should smoke them sticks, you feel me? Yeah. So he'll be on juice and just get to bugging or whatever. And um he he created a situation, uh, he put himself in a situation, you know what I'm saying? And just me understanding, like, I ain't gonna never uh sugarcoat something and act like, you know, like bro, put that he put himself in that situation, you know, where he drew down, he drew his shit and didn't um like if you draw that motherfucker, use it. Yeah, if something's gonna be that serious or deep where you gotta pull your shit out, you might as well go ahead and you know, do what you're gonna do. But um shit, cuz didn't like drew his shit and didn't, and he's a situation happening, and um as you know, shit, he getting stood over. You know what I'm saying? So yeah. Was you free when you found out about it? Nah, nope, I was locked up. Yep, uh Lieutenant came in, broke the news to a nigga. I'm in my cell, uh smoking. Like at the time, like shit, we smoking some weed, some I was thinking some like K or something. I don't know, we in that motherfucker smoking. And uh shoot, I hear the door open. We think they coming because they smell the weed, but so when you open the door, I'm running to the toilet trying to like flush the whatever left, the half a blunt or whatever. You feel what I'm saying? He sees me, he like, we ain't tripping on that, bro. Like, go ahead and do whatever you're gonna do, but like man, just I need to holler at you. Like, I'm gonna tighten up. I need to holler at you. So he kind of closed the door a little bit. So I'm like, I'm looking at my celly, like, what the fuck? This nigga gonna I flush it anyway. Like, I ain't fucked that. I go to the door, like, what's up? He like, I need you to uh he like he ain't looking me in the eyes, type shit. So I'm like, what the fuck? What's going on? He like, man, I I need you to come to my office. I got big mama on the phone. So I'm like, what? Like I say, he just ain't looking me in the face. He keeps looking at the ground, doing all this other shit. Like, did you feel it? When he said that, when he said he got big mama on the phone, I'm it can't it can't be nothing else. I'm like, man, but I ain't knowing what it is. So I'm like, what you mean you got big mama on the phone? He like, just just come talk to her. Immediately I'm knowing, like, damn, something, but it's some like it's some bullshit. So boom, I follow that nigga, you feel me, to his office and shit. He goes to his office, we get there, and uh, he got Big Mama on hold. So he he picks up the phone, like Big Mommy still there, it's on speaker. And so she like, you know, yeah, I'm here. I can hear it in her voice, like, like she crying. So he like, all right, I got uh Williams here. Well, you know, that's what they call me. So he like, I got, you know, buddy here. And he kind of like step out, type shit. So uh, so she like D. So immediately I'm like, man, hell no, I'll jump up. I'm like, man, what the fuck y'all got going on? Like, what's up? I'm knowing it's about to be something heavy. You know what I'm saying? So I'm I get spooled. I'm like, man, I ain't even trying to face it, whatever it is. I'm like, I'm like, nah. So I kind of like bag out the off. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, bro, I don't know what y'all got going on, but nigga, I'm I'm cool. He like, bro, just he like just holler at Big Mama, man. Like, you feel what I'm saying? Just sort all that out. Get out, you know what I'm saying, get to the bottom of that. I go back in there and I holler at her, I'm like, what's up? And she gets to telling me, like, you know, what's going on? She like, man, we up here research. And you know what I'm saying? Da-da-da-da-da. So I'm like, what? So she like, yeah, man. And so I'm like, shit, is he is he is he straight? Or you know what I'm saying? What? She like, nah, like nigga, it's over with. I'm just like, mind you, this is my nigga. Like, this my closest brother, me and him. I'm the youngest, he the middle, so we the you feel me? Uh so shit, man. I just I walked off. Like I left Big Mom on the phone. Well, I just start walking back to my cell shit. Like, nigga. Like it ain't like I'm processing it, but it ain't really like, and it just hit a nigga like a ton of bricks right then. Um so I'm just go back to my cell and I'm just sitting spaced. I'm like, bro, what? The fuck happened? Like, it just was a weird way trying to process it. It ain't seem real. To like that next day or two or something, and it till it really, I'm like, damn, you you like what bro? Dead. Like, ain't no way. Shit. Yeah, it was just a hell of a pill to swallow. And that motherfucker, mind you, like, then that next day I went and got sentenced. So that was a hard little 24 hours on me from that nigga getting killed. Next day I go get sentenced. Like I said, I'm thinking I'm probably the worst. I thought I was gonna beat it, but you know, but then I go get sentenced 10 years, and I was like, damn. That was a cold little like back to back. So at that point, I'm like, man, fuck everything, fuck like this life shit. I'm tripping with God, like on some like the what niggas, like the fuck you on, like you know what I'm saying? I'm I'm tripping. I was in a fucked up space with that shit for sure, because I'm yeah, it was some whole other shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

You weren't even able to sleep that night, right? Nah. Eggna. Yeah, that's heavy. Getting finding out that, then getting all that time slapped on top of you two. I couldn't imagine going through a situation like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

And it was crazy. And mind you, I just, I was, this came on the heels of me being out really chilling. I wasn't, you know what I'm saying? Uh like I'm fucking with this rap shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I really was just out trying to like push the rap shit. This ain't even happening when a nigga was deep in the field type shit, you know. So this come at when a nigga trying to straighten up and trying to do shit the right way. And then it's like now I'm having to deal with this type of shit. This is it was crazy to me. And like I said, I'm like at I'm taking it all out on God. Like, you know, I'm tripping with him. Like, you know, some bullshit. Like, fuck it. Like, man, you just how you want to play it and shit. Some crazy shit, battling some some shit like that. Yeah. You talked about being real.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:04

You you gonna call something what it is. But that's also your closest brother. So when he was juiced up at the times when you was out, I would imagine you know he was dealing with that stuff. What was your like interactions with him?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

Uh, I mean, because we done had our own little run-ins when he'll get on that shit. You feel what I'm saying? Uh I ain't fuck with him when he like got high. Like, I'm gone. Like, you on that shit. Like, he get to, or sometimes I just had to go get him from situations and take him to his baby mama house. Cause like it done been times he we'd been in the hood. And like anybody in my hood will tell you like he get to tripping, like he get to just taking off on niggas, rocking niggas, bop, bow. About four, five, six, seven different niggas, all in one type. You know what I'm saying? Just trying to fight niggas and shit. He always gets to he get on that shit and get to tripping. So one time, like, shit, he rockin' niggas, and I normally I'm the only nigga, one of the only niggas who can talk him down. It'd be like me and probably like one other motherfucker. So normally he'll hear my voice and kind of shake back. But like when it's it was one time where shit, the nigga didn't, like, I'm trying to hold him from tripping with other niggas, because mind you, like nigga, these are street niggas. So like nigga, and if you scare a nigga enough, like, nigga kill you. Like, what happened with him? He scared a nigga enough to the nigga killed him, like a scary nigga gonna smoke you. So I been trying to prevent that. Like, so I'll give it a trying to hold him, like, man. Surprised a nigga probably ain't been just, you know what I'm saying? Approach you like that with him when he trippin', doing all that. So one time I'm just trying to hold a nigga and grab him like nigga, you trippin'. And the nigga looked at me and he locked on me. I'm just looking at his eyes, he possessed. And so he gets to trying to come toward me like nigga, nigga, you up. And I feel how he tried to grab me. So I'm bagging up. I'm like, man, chill out, nigga. Like for sure. You know what I'm saying? He coming toward the nigga like he trying to, you know what I'm saying, do me something. Uh draw down like nigga. I'm hey, and nigga, hit you in the leg or something. Like, I obviously wasn't gonna, you know, but like nigga, chill out, because I ain't about to tussle with you while I got this motherfucker on me. Then it falls or something, and you get a hold of it. And I'm telling how you, bro, chill, because I'm about to hit you in the leg for sure. So chill out, you know what I'm saying? So then he gets to snapping more, like, nigga, oh, nigga, you pulling your gun on me, nigga. And man, that just was a that was a different nigga, man. Yeah, so I already know how you get when you on that shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:36

How did you feel and knowing your brother was on that? Like, how this is your closest brother. Like, how was that making you feel in the times back then?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:49

Like, bro, I'm from 5-7. You feel me? Um, that was like the niggas in my hood, like drug of choice, like everybody smoked juice. All the older homies, not like my niggas, not like niggas my age, a couple niggas my age, but like the generation before us and all, like the older his, they smoke juice. Like, that's was a that was their thing. So, like, you know, I ain't really feel much. I just tell him like, bro, this ain't us. Like, nigga, how we gonna be on some shit, nigga? You you fucking with that shit. Like, nigga, I ain't never smoked wet ever. Like, you feel me? Oh, I don't know, I guess that nigga just, you know, it was his thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:30

So at this time when you got sentenced and you lost your brother, and you was at least in Kansas City, one of the biggest artists in Kansas City. So that's another thing. Knowing that your future was bright or had potential to be super bright, how did you soak that in? Did did you ever even think about that at that time?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:54

Did you have that's what kind of really made me that's why I was reacting, how I was acting. Like on some, like I say, when I say I was um hey god, yeah, like I'm like, why you well wait till now with you know I'm saying uh shit shit was looking up. So that's a hard pill to swallow when I'm knowing, like, damn, bro, I could have like shit could have went and looked real like good for a nigga with labels or just I'm pushing and they fucking with it. You feel me? So then at the time, mind you, all this happening while I got a uh a single that's going crazy. You feel what I'm saying? The don't judge me shit is getting traction. This bitch going crazy on the views, crazy on streams, millions, millions, millions, and all along, I'm dealing with all this shit. You feel me? Uh so that was just added another layer to everything I had to take in. Like, damn, bro, what the fuck? Like a nigga had a career laid out to where it's like, you know, my whole not just my situation, but nigga, motherfuckers around me, like bro, like whoever, like if I'm on and I'm making millions or I'm in the industry, like nigga, of course, niggas like that situation gonna be different too. Like, we out this bitch, you know what I'm saying? The whole thing is nigga to shit, find a way up out this motherfucker, like you feel me.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:18

But at what point did you lose your mother?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:25

Uh so a couple years after that, even. Uh I'm well in my bed by then, so shit. Uh she kind of got sick by then it's like 22. She passed in 22. Bro died in 18. Um, so I'm shit, I'm bitten. You feel me? Mind you, I get locked up 2016. Um, I mean shit. The fucking uh the Chiefs just played the uh the Bills in that divisional uh, or was it nah? Was that the uh the AFC championship game? Oh no, where Mahomes and uh Josh Allen going back and forth the little 13-second game shit. So boom, this last time I talking to her, I call her geek. Mind you, I'm a crazy Chiefs fan. So I call her like, damn, I know you watching this shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? She like, boy, I don't care about that stuff. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa up. I'm just telling, like, man, you tripping like this stuff is, you know what I'm saying? Because the whole time the game just got a nigga anxiety all over the place. I'm, you know what I'm saying? You know how that shit'll be. So boom. So I'm just telling her, like, no, you tripping. You feel what I'm saying? This and this and that. And then uh next day, you feel me? Boom. Uh I got the news and shit. My big mama sent me a uh core links email, like maybe I need you to call me, like, man, shh, it's your mama, you feel me? So uh in the midst of me trying to sit, stand in line and call her, they call a nationwide lockdown. Some shit happened in Beaumont. Uh nigga got smoked, the black hand or somebody got smoked by some um rivals. I don't know how that was, but MS-13 shit or something. So the feds get spooked nationwide lockdown. So we're going to nationwide lockdown for like two, three weeks. So whole time, I ain't even able to call and uh funeral or none of that shit. Like, so but she called and tell like the same way like she did with Wine. She called and told the lieutenant the same thing, like, hey, you know what I'm saying? Tell my grandson, like, you know, this and this and that, man. I need y'all to let me call. I mean, let him call me. So they came and told me, like, hey, man, well, this is what's going on. We're gonna make sure you get a call. So boom, close the chuckle. I'm like, what? And just left it, left it on me like that. So I go, I'm going banging on the door, like, man, hold up. They ain't coming around for a minute. So when they come through for count, like I'm tripping, so I got this shit hung up and I'm I'm bucking. I'm like, bro, y'all gotta let me know something. Like, what the fuck? Like, what's going on? It's the only way I can get their attention, because like, you feel me? So they like, man, boom, boom, boom, whatever, whatever. Just let us see your face, man. At the count clear, you know, we got you. So I boom, I'm like, all right, if they they play, I'm back at it again. They're gonna jacking the slot and all type of shit. Lieutenant came and told him, like, yo, man, your mom's man. And woo wop. We can't let you get on the phone though, because shit, you know, it's a nationwide lockdown, emergency, nationwide lockdown, nobody out. No orderlies or nothing, like, nobody out. Like, niggas ain't coming out for showers or nothing. One at a time, matter of fact. So I'm like, man, I'm just having to process that shit. So I get to tripping in that motherfucker, jacking the chuck hole. Uh, I'm just tripping. I'm like, man, get me on the phone with my people. Like, fuck it. Like, how you gonna tell a nigga his mama pass and you ain't even letting nigga call the family? They ain't fucking with me. So fast for a time, shoot. A few days. The fucking assistant warden or somebody like, man, they just broke. They like, man, we're gonna let you go at least talk to your big mama, man. I'm gonna give you five to ten minutes, man. Just make what you make of it, man. Cause I don't know if you're supposed to be doing this. Nobody supposed to be out. So I went and called, shoot, big mama, and uh, she told me, like, man, this funeral was coming up. Trying to see if I'm gonna be able to call. I'm like, wasn't able to call, none of that shit. So that was just another layer of like, what the fuck, bro? Nigga locked down. Mama passed, ain't I can't talk to the family, funeral. I can't, none of that shit. Which it kind of worked, at least how I told myself, in my favor, because I wasn't able to hear all the crying, I wasn't able to hear all the like everything that'll just make me respond in that same way. So I was able to kind of uh void it out on some just, you know. I just started doing working out, going crazy, just trying to, you know, shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:11

Before then, you never really talked to your mama about sports, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:15

Yeah, I mean, I always she never really was a sports fan, but I always just talked to her about little shit. It was just like, you know, she knows I fuck with the Chiefs and fuck with like LeBron.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:26

So what made she was the first person you called when you found out they won? Yeah. So what do you think that was that made you call her at that time, right before all of this stuff happened?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:41

Uh that you were able to talk to her. I don't even know. I guess probably shit. That was just, you know, God way of like, you know, just get let me get another, you feel me? I don't know. Shit. I mean, I'm glad it happened because that whole time she's like, boy, I don't care about that stuff, boy. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, nah, you tripping. This probably was the best game I ever seen. Um, you know what I'm saying, over the top with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:11

Shit, you know. And that's why I was thinking, because you said she didn't care nothing about that kind of stuff, but that's the person you called in that moment. And then right after that, is you get that news the next day. You said the next day, right? Yeah. The next day. Yeah. I also heard you say, um you be fighting. Your heart has crazy fights with your mind. What does what do those fights be like?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:45

Um just a nigga heart in it, a nigga heart still beating for all this shit that it been beating for this street shit, this um just all this block shit, this turf shit, this the game. A nigga heart in it, and a nigga mind just knowing better, like, bro, you tripping, like nigga, tighten up. It's more, it's better. Like, nigga, that ain't your, you feel me? A nigga mind coming with all the logic. But a nigga heart, like, man, nigga, we out here. Fuck all that. Like, you know. That's why I say something like nigga, don't do this or don't do that, or whatever. It's a nigga mine, but nigga heart, like, nah, fuck that, nigga. Sell this, go shoot that. That's legit, kind of like what it be. A nigga knowing better, a nigga knowing he shouldn't be this, that, and the fifth, but nigga heart in it, you feel me?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:40

So the heart wins more.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:44

These days, nah, not so much. Like, you gotta be a thinker. The heart, you moving off the heart, you moving on emotion. So I feel like you when you really playing chess, you're gonna have to think your way through situations, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:59

So, I mean, we're talking about a tough time with your mother. What just happened with your brother not too long ago, you being locked up, and the whole you supposed to be the one when it comes to the music thing. Do you was your heart and mind fighting at that time with something in particular?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:22

At that point, yeah. Uh my heart and mind was fighting, like I say. I was just like mad at God type, you know. So I just was like doing away with any logic and sense or any like rational thinking, and just kind of like, this is his doings. Like, he got the final say on anything. So I'm knowing my be like, no, it's just the devil. Like, but at the end of the day, like, he gotta sign off, you feel me? So I'm just like, why? I couldn't process like you, you know what I'm saying? Like, what is you on? I'm just like, bro, what you on with a nigga? Like, you feel what I'm saying? Back to back to back to back, something, something, something, something else. So I'm like, oh, it's fuck me. Like, nigga, that's what I'm getting. Like, you shitting on me. I just was like, me just battling that, battling a sp- It was a spiritual warfare at that time, like, like just battling them type of demons and like shit that or siding with the demons. You know. So you was on F God at a point too. Type. Yeah, not necessarily just F God, but like, ah, you ain't fucking with me, fuck it then. Like, I ain't because I'm knowing the whole time, I ain't never like, oh, he's not real, he don't exist. I'm knowing he right there. So I'm just like, why? I'm just like, what you doing it, what you want all that for? You feel me? Because I'm uh I always been a spiritual nigga. I like I say, raised in a church, you feel me? All my family was Christians, you know what I'm saying? Even just through going, just uh converting and all that, just always being a spiritual person. So I just couldn't understand why he was just landing on me so thick. But at the same time, after wow, after so many blows, I'm like, oh, it's fuck me. You showing me it's fuck me. So nigga, fuck it then. Like, nigga, I ain't tripping. Whatever it's gonna be, it's gonna be then. I ain't fuck it, whatever, dog. I just was on some whatever, dog. Nigga, you you shitting on me. That was just a dark time, man, for real. Like, I it was just a a real, real dark time, and even like I knew it was wrong to be thinking and feeling like that, but at the time I just didn't give a I'm I didn't care. I'm like, bro, if if you taking everything that mattered to a nigga, what I'm even about to be caring about, like only thing that's left that can happen is like I die, fuck it. You feel me? Like you take a nigga brother, you take a nigga mama, you know already took like uncles, cousins, best friends, a nigga freedom, a nigga career. Like, man, you taking everything that I give a fuck about. You feel me? So, but it's like I always like, even my mama just was always like, man, like Job, the book of Job, Job, Job. And it's like, uh.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:14

That's crazy, you bring that up.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:17

Nah, for real. And it's like I kind of just always, even in the back of my head, with all this shit, this stuff shaking, I just kinda had like that to kind of uh, I'm just drawing parallels to that. Like, you feel me? Like, and it's like God, he didn't lay it all alone, Joe, but he allowed, you know what I'm saying? You know, the story, he allowed the devil to go ahead and like Satan, like, man, let me ooh. And God, like, alright, just don't kill him. Like, whatever you feel like you need to do, that's one of mine, but you know, just don't ooh. So somehow I just kind of always just like, you know, and then it's just fast forward time to like where the headspace I'm in now, I just feel like it all was for something. I don't really know what. But it like just knowing how I think now, how I move now, I'm way more sharper. I I move with more clarity, like, you feel me? Uh I'm just more humble. You feel me? I got a lot of priceless just uh insight and just knowledge just from dealing with all that. I learned a lot about myself and just where my strengths lie or my weaknesses, you feel me? Like, I'm like, I just learned a lot about a nigga shit that I ain't know prior to. And I feel like that was crucial just in my development as far as leveling up and just getting to the next level in life and just trying to, or whatever's to come. Like, I'm feeling like I ain't gonna say I'm feeling like I'm knowing, like, okay, at that point, this shit is for something. Like, he was, and it's fucked up that it took that. Like I say, my favorite people. You feel what I'm saying? For a nigga to just kind of see and just be like, damn. Like, cause if you ask me, would I sacrifice them just to get whatever is to come, I'm gonna be like, no. But it ain't up to us, you feel me? So I just like I said, nigga got more mature and humble, and just every sense, I'm just kinda like, you know, just trying to um move more toward my purpose, just whatever on my journey, like, you know, whatever that purpose is, like, I'm just I'm knowing it is something.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:30

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:32

You said you didn't get the anchor, you know. I was gonna ask you what answer you got, what answer you came back with, and you said you didn't really get it. But you also we also talked about you supposed to be the one, the leader or whatever. And like his strongest soldiers go through the toughest battles and stuff like that, and maybe he felt like he wasn't getting your attention, he needed your attention, and there was only those ways to get your attention.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:06

Because he wasn't, he wasn't getting my attention. Even if I felt like I was sharp enough to be knowing better and had the time, I would, I would know better. But like, so like it was a time and point where I found myself, like, mind you, I got out of jail, not even just this last bid, but the bid before that, 2015. Mind you, I went back in 16, but I got out before that, 2015. And uh even before that, I'm telling myself, like, man, you know, get out here, you know. I never was in this mindset I'm in now, where I'm like, man, I ain't like, it's shit that I just won't do. It's ways I won't move, it's places I just won't go. At the time, like I'm knowing even like, man, I'm about to get out. I got it even to score with some niggas. Or I'm already knowing, like, man, I'm uh, what's the numbers on that? Oh, I'm gonna get killing, like, even on some, I'm already knowing I'm jumping back in the game. Um, so one time I like when I got out in 2015, I just found myself riding around. And I just looked at my just everything I'm in the car with, and I'm just like, damn, how the fuck? I how I get back deep into shit like this. Like, you feel what I'm saying? I'm riding with a life sentence. You feel me? Uh, and I was just like, shit. I just remember telling myself, like, shit, fuck it. You know, I'm out here. And I punched the gas and just, you know what I'm saying? And that's just I'm like, damn, that was probably the telltale moment for me. Like, damn, you you don't get it. Like, you still was, you know. And God saw that too, like, nah, you out here, out here, huh? And like you say, just sometimes it probably just took other things to be like, oh yeah, no, let me shake this shit up. Like, cause you taking this shit for real. Especially if you supposed to be, like you said, the one or the one that's, you know what I'm saying, supposed to be leading the charge and making a difference for uh not just you, but your your peers or your community, your city. Like, nigga, you steady moving like a little nigga. Playing with it. Playing with it. You know what I'm saying? You got this gift, you got these resources, you got all this shit in place where you can capitalize and make something of it, and you still look at you riding around with a life sentence, punching the gas, or still jumping out on shit and doing all this net. Like, mind you, I'm still everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:26

So, you know. That's what you keep saying, that is a tough title. I don't know if you got a song called that, or somebody got a song riding around with a life sentence. That's deep. Yeah. I might name this riding around with a hell with a life. That's that's deep. For real.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:47

Oh, and just knowing the feds and the guidelines and all that, yeah, it's real. Like, riding around with a life sentence for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:56

You gotta you gotta give us a song. Ride around with like our album or something called Riding Around with a life sentence. Nah, cut that little part out. But yeah, that that's tough. Nah, for sure. Because that like that can entail so much. You could put so much depth into that.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:15

Yup. You didn't you didn't start a song, but I'll cut that out. Consider it done. No, no, you ain't even got to at that point. Cause that'd be the catalyst to where boom, like, damn, uh, it burst. That'd be the because now like I'll be looking for some type of um inspirations. Yeah, I'm looking for inspirations on shit anywhere, bro. I'll be fucking at Walmart, bruh, coming down the aisle, and I'll be done drill inspiration from some random looking at a fucking macaroni cheese box or something. It'd be done said something like, oh, just my brain, just me being a uh just like I said, this nigga passion just as far as just writing or creating music, shit like that. Like, so I'm always trying to think of ways to be crafty or be witty, punch lines or something, subject matter, yeah. So shit like that. You feel me? Like I said, when I just was saying it, I wasn't thinking like, oh shit, this could be a when you first said it, I thought it.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:11

I'm like, yeah, but that's how I am too. Like I hear something and I be like, but anyway, to get back on on subject, since we aren't riding around with a life sentence, we didn't talk about uh going to do your prison bids and like uh how we can go back to the one in 2015. Was that the first major one?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:34

Uh yeah, so when I got out, so it started in 2009.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:40

All right, let's go from 2009 and then work our way up.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:45

Okay, 2009 should uh