10 Juvenile Cases, Federal Time, And A Lost Decade | Young Devi

He was building real momentum in Kansas City, dropping music, selling CDs, and starting to make noise in the city. Then everything changed.
In this raw Indelibly Marked conversation, Young Devi breaks down how federal charges, prison time, street politics, police chases, and years behind bars interrupted his rise again and again. He talks about losing key years of his life, watching the rap game change while he was locked up, seeing prison violence up close, and trying to come home with a new mindset.
This is more than a prison story. It’s about lost time, survival, identity, loyalty, music, and what it takes to rebuild after everything falls apart.
Watch until the end for his message on making your life count before it’s too late.
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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:07

I'm saying he got his hand inside his uh his jumpsuit. So I'm already telling myself this about to try it. You feel I'm saying, mind you, I'm kickboxing shit. I'm kicking, I'm gonna kick him up. So I'm like, this nigga come close. I'm kicking these shit out of him. So he gotta come over there and get the charging. You know what I'm saying? Pull that and get the charging. The goofy ass CO, he ain't even like, you feel I'm saying, nothing. So he just he kind of gets spooked and just froze. 2009 shit uh everything. This is probably when I first started like getting my like initial buzz in the like city, as far as like you know, a little shit. Had a few little uh local cookers going around, just dropped a classic local album. Y'all can't see me. Um just getting some momentum. You feel me? Uh I think it was like the album release or something up at Seven Heaven. I'm like, shit, you know, boom. Unbeknownst to me, I got a federal indictment already just looming. So they watching me and just trying to, you know, go on with their move. Now, a couple days prior to that, all type of other shit happening just through the hood. Like my nigga Cameron and shit, you know what I'm saying? From the north side, then got smoked in the hood. Uh all this shit happening on the back of like some other shit happening. I had they I had this heat and shit. I'll go get it from them. They ran from the police. So from coming to able to give, come back and give it to them. Niggas slide on them and shit like that. Some other shit happening. Over it's just shit happening, shit on top of shit happening. You feel what I'm saying? Just gang shit. And uh us and the suckers or the ops or whatever, we're going back and forth. And I think that's probably what made the uh Fez put a trigger, like man, all this shit going on. And somehow, like, even with shit, I ain't had nothing to do with my name popping up and shit. And it's more probably more so because like I'm rapping and shit. I'm like young nigga lit. It's like, I don't know, my name just popping up and shit that I ain't even having nothing to do with. So the feds probably like, man, we gotta like snatch buddy up. So a little bit prior to that, I got caught with a gun. Mind you, I didn't see niggas get caught with guns two, three, four, five times and get out, never go fed. You feel what I'm saying? CCW, whatever, whatever. You feel me? Niggas get right out, you know. So this is the first time I done got caught with a gun. I ain't thinking like, okay, I'm about to go to the feds about this shit. I get caught with it. Like I said, niggas getting out all the time. Um, nah. Like they found a way to make it go fed. Oh, user in possession, boom. So my first gun, my first adult case ever. Like I say, all that other shit, stolen cars and the prey shooting, all that shit. I was a juvenile. And up to this point, I ain't been in juvenile for two years.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

How many times did you go to juvenile before that?

SPEAKER_00 3:18

Like 10. Crazy. And that motherfucker, I was living in that motherfucker. And they be skid biz, I'll probably go do like a month. I get caught with some weed or some dope or stolen car or whatever. Juvenile, you know, put a nigga back out, or I'll go to, you feel what I'm saying, a hilltop or DYS custody. Like the last time I did in Juvenile, I was in DYS custody. I did like a year uh until I turned 18. Mind you, this is 2007. So I had a good two-year stretch without no just uh law interaction. But so my first adult case ever, I go fed. Um, I get caught with a gun and shit and some dope. So they instead of it being a simple possession of a firearm and simple possession of drugs, like they find a way to make it go fed and stick on some user and possession type of shit. Never heard of user and possession, but anyway, I get caught with it. I go do 26 months about that shit. This is 2009, so boom, boom, boom. Like, what the fuck? I get out. I'm like 19 at the time. I get out 22, 22 years old, but I get out, it's what, 2011, 2012. It's my second fab, but I immediately went right back. I was out like two months. You feel what I'm saying? Fucking with my nigga baby J. Uh I just dropped my nigga Ray off and shit. Like, I'm riding around. I just got a mirror. This bitch fast. I just got it out of Bear shop. BJ and Bear them shop. They souped this motherfucker up. Like, nigga, I'm like, oh shit, dropped the new vet engine in it, so I'm out acting crazy. Uh, but I'm still riding, I'm fresh, I'm I'm gonna, you know what I'm saying? I'm young, I've got my shit on me. Yeah. And you know, but I'm tripping because I'm like, damn nigga, if you about to be driving like this, don't have your shit on you, or whatever. So, anyways, I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna run him. I got a vet engine in this motherfucker, fuck him. Oh shit, somehow, shit. The cherries get on a nigga. I'm about to dog him. I'm like, okay, I drop that bitch and load. I'm like, man, that bitch cut out. Like, man, what the fuck? Try to bring it back to life, throw the neutral, start it back up, it ain't gonna do nothing. So I'm drunk as fuck. I jump out. Mind you, this is the time of what them Nike boots was called again. A A C A C G or something like that. Yeah, I'm I got some ACGs. I'm heavy as fuck. Cole Hart uh monkey shooting. So I'm like, it wasn't even my intention. And my mom's gonna run them. They not gonna run them people all the time. So I'm like, I'm in this damn stand of chance. And you was drunk. And I was drunk. So boom, they get on with this bitch cut out out of nowhere. This first time that bitch ever cut out. I'm gonna cut out. So I got to bail out. You feel what I'm saying? Mind you, I'm glad they ain't smoked me, because as soon as I got the car, nigga, I hear the nigga say, he got a gun. Knowing what we know now, that's enough to light me up. You feel me? I and I jumped out with that bitch in my hand. I'm running. I ain't even thinking. They about to, you know what I'm saying? Nothing. I ain't thinking none of that. I know the car I cut out, so I'm like, fucking, I gotta bail out with this motherfucker. So I jump out that bitch in my hand. And I'm running. Hit the backyard. I fling that bitch way that way. And I jumped the fence and came out this way. So I'm running. Police car pull up. This nigga jumped out with fresh lungs. Mind you, at this time, I done, at this point, I done probably ran a half a block. Fresh lungs. He jumped out and just hawk a nigga right down. He ain't like, you feel me? So then he choked me out, do some old shit, some old wild shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? When he called me, he told me about some stop resisting. I'm like, the fuck? I ain't even like nigga. Once you tap on me, I ain't even resisting. He keeps talking about some stop resisting, whatever. So he choked me out. Boom, I go out. I wake up, you feel what I'm saying? I'm sitting on the curb in cuffs. So I'm trying to process. I'm like, what the fuck just happened? I look up. I'm gonna look down my pants and I got pissed off. I'm like, man, what the fuck? So I get a thinking and shit. And then so his partner came and was like uh slapped fives with him about the little chokehold move or whatever he, you know what I'm saying? He put on me. So like, oh yeah, that was what I'm like, damn this. So I'm like, boy, you you just did that to me. Like, oh yeah, you didn't stand a chance, and this and this and that. So I'm like, oh, I ain't never been like choked out, knocked out, nothing. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm like, what the fuck? Like, this nigga just choked me out, like, so I'm pissed. I'm like, boom. And shit, now I'm just they booking me in and all this. I got pissed all on my pants, like, I'm like, damn, bro. It's another situation I had to swallow.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

You think you thinking a little bit, like you run in front of cot drunk and stuff, and your car go out. The car go out to where you can't move it, man. That probably saved you.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Oh, yeah. It's crazy you say that. It wasn't nothing else but that. I probably would have smacked something, got ejected, probably, however. You didn't even know you got choked out. I didn't even know I got choked out. Yeah. I'm just hearing this party.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Somebody else too.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Yeah.

unknown 8:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Yeah, that would have been ugly because I'm one of them type of niggas, especially at the time, like when I'm running, like I'm like, I'm they not gonna do certain shit that we're gonna do. Now I ain't just punching through stop signs and stop lights like I ain't got to carry the wheel. I come through gas break, kind of, but you gotta be fast with it, like immediately, like, okay, nothing. Or if a car is coming, you gotta kind of decide you can make it, or you're gonna go behind it, like, you know, I'm real decisive. But probably that day, man, who knows? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But that shit definitely be ugly like that for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

I swear. And you was talking about going back to uh you was leading to doing your uh first time in 2015. I think we lead, or was we 2009?

SPEAKER_00 9:32

So we went from, like I say, 09 and to the that's when I got caught up, 7 Heaven, all that shit. They rushed that bitch, had helicopters and all type of shit. Niggas shooting at the helicopter, it was just all type of shit.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

At 7 Heaven. Wait, wait, wait. Who's shooting at the helicopter? Just one of the homies. Okay, gotcha. Wow. Y'all shooting the helicopters, bro.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

I think it was more so a diversion move, trying to just, you know, a nigga just knowing, because we up there silly. Like, they found like 14 guns. Uh, I mean, obviously, niggas see the feds, niggas is just throwing shit. Niggas dropping shit in the uh CD slots up at 7 Heaven. They sold the Feds sold crooked. Every gun they found, they charged, it was a so it was a count two on my indictment. I had to count one from the gun I got caught with, you feel what I'm saying, at first for the uh indictment in the first place. Then it was count two on my indictment. All these other guns that they found at 7 Heaven, they tried to put them on me. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 10:37

Sorry to interrupt you. But because before we dive into that, when you did the when you was on the chase, that was 2009 still? No, that was uh 2012.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

What what was the outcome of that 2012? So 2012, I ended up going to do 36 months. So the 2009 one, I did 26 months. Uh I didn't have a chance to run it up when I got caught in that one. Like they bounced out we was on Brookwood. Niggas shooting dice. I'm standing out there just on, you know what I'm saying? I got my shit on me. Or they jumped out and just started hawking niggas down. Come here, they snatching niggas up. And I got my shit on me. So I tried it, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, nigga, we got you already. Found me with a gun, so boom. That was just a random pull-up. That was just a random pull-up, hop out. You feel me? Uh in the hood on Brookwood, you feel me? Uh but I got right out. I did like a 20-hour investigation, got right out. Already had another heat. I knew I'm like, all right, it got that. That was a uh 40, a Springfield. Fuck y'all. So I'm like, like I said, I'm never thinking feds with that, but you know. So that was 09. I got caught, caught up at 7 Heaven. All that shit happened, you know, helicopters and all this little silly shit. Uh, and all that shit was in my indictment, too, like in court when they reading it to the judge, like, oh, people shooting at the helicopter and this and this and that. Like, uh, it was wow.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

It was shit was and Seven Heaven incident was after the chase, right? That first it was the hop out where they hopped out, just hopped out on you and got your stuff. Then it was the police chase where you were drunk. So nah.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

So from the hop out, then the indictment came out. Then that's when they rushed me at 7 Heaven for the hop out, the random hop out. Okay, so got it. So that's when I went and did the 26 months for that at 7 Heaven, CD release party. It wasn't even my CD release, it was uh Ron Ron's CD release party to uh schizophrenic. We playing tag team, me, him, and Ron Do at the time, like we you about to drop, all right, fuck him up, then it's gonna be on me. Then it's gonna be Rondo. And then we like at the time, if you ask me, that's the big three. You feel what I'm saying? Definitely at that time. Now you had other niggas who was like making noise and doing shit like as far as the neighborhood and shit like that, but like I ain't feel like nobody was fucking with me double and RD at all. Like, so boom. We doing it like that. So this double RD, I mean this double release party, uh, that's when it happened. So I go do the 26 months. And then that's when I got out. Like I said, I was out for two months up to that point, and that's when I just had got that Camaro and got into the speed. That's when the nigga choked me out and shit. And uh yeah, that's 30. I did 36 months on that one. And that's 2012. Fast forward time I got out 2015, and that's when um all the other shit was going on in 2015. You know, so it just was pretty uh eventful for me, especially, because it's like I couldn't catch a break. You feel me? Like every time I get out. Not even every time I get out, every time I drop a CD. Like 2009, I drop a CD, boom. Y'all can't see me, go get locked up. 2012, drop a CD, get Rich or Kill Trying, get locked up. 2015, I got out, I dropped a CD, 16 uh chestnut checkers, get locked up. So it started to be like, hold up, man. Every time a nigga dropping a CD, I ain't even out to see that bitch. Do what is possible, do what they're supposed to do. I ain't out to market it, push it, or nothing. But somehow them bitches still, you know what I'm saying? I'm hearing about everything it's doing, like, boy, they fucking with it. Boy, they up, they sold out again. Seven heaven, to the point I'm like, we can't keep enough in stores. Like, we having to go read. I mean, it's just I'm like, damn, this shit is really so. I'm sitting in my bunk, I'm processing, like, damn, they fucking with my shit running motherfucker. Like, they telling me like often, like anybody at 7 heaven, any workers that tell you like all the time, they like, especially Greg, you feel what I'm saying? Uh, Deb and them, like, like, boy, you a top seller. You are a top seller in this motherfucker by far. Like, you drop this, man. You, you know what I'm saying? Woo! Every time I'm dropped, they like, boy, you are a top seller. You feel what I'm saying? To the point, some at some point, they put some shit out, which I ain't know what it's about. They put some shit on the seven heaven uh marquee thing, like King of Casey. I'm like, but I don't like especially at the time I wasn't feeling like that. Even right now, like that ain't something I'm you know what I'm saying. It's niggas who done paved the way and you know what I'm saying, deserve that. Like, you know, I'm a king for sure. Yeah, but all that, like, you know, I'm I'm graceful, bro, for whatever I've been able to do or whatever I've done. So, you know, the niggas who, yeah. But it's they put that shit up and that ruffled some feathers. And um, it was some fallouts about it was all type of crazy shit about just that. I'm like, damn. Fallouts with you? Just with just me, my people, and all motherfuckers like just back and forth. So my so like my hood, my niggas and shit, like they behind me, like whatever they DVD, they it's they about me, Rondo, and Ronron. Like they nigga, they pushing us, like you feel I'm saying. Even other niggas who rap, whatever, like, and it's a lot of niggas in my hood who cold, who nice, you feel me? Probably might be next up or probably had a shot or whatever, but even they, like, man, these are the ones, you feel I'm saying. But at I guess at this particular time, because I kind of was always under them. It was always, I was always kind of like a protege of either Ron Ron or Ron Do. Like, I was a younger nigga, like 16, 17, while I'm running with these niggas, 18, 19 and shit. These niggas in their 20s. So I'm like little bro to them. I'm just soaking game, yeah. And I'm just doing what I'm feeling like I'm supposed to do with it. Like I'm uh seizing the opportunity. Like, you feel me? At the time, I feel like Ryan Ron probably was the the it guy. And I'm like, you know what I'm saying? He snatched me up. Um, so I'm like, nigga, feeling like I'm doing my post do all I can do is deliver. You feel me? We doing this song, or we doing that with this show, that show, whatever. What's the assignment? And I'm just trying to, you know, do whatever I can, you know, as far as on some team player shit to get us there. Like, if we gotta push double, stand behind him, I'm cool with that. Like, I ain't got no pride when it comes to that shit. A lot of niggas got pride, want to be the one. You feel me? Um, I ain't had that. Like, I knew double was the nigga. I knew RD was the nigga. Like, so if you would have asked me, I'd have been like, nigga, what? Them niggas is the niggas. Like, nigga, I'm just fucking with it at the time until I guess a point in time came where motherfuckers like, nigga, no, nigga, you need to, nigga, you the nigga, like understand it and accept it. Like, you feel what I'm saying? And even still, I'm just so humble and just pay homage. Like, I'm gonna always, you know what I'm saying? I soak so much from these niggas, and you know, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

So they beefing that, so you, but you at the time where they put the poster up or you or whatever, or say you the biggest, you the king of KC, ain't you locked up at this time? Locked up at the time.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Mad at you, they ain't like you. And they kept that bitch up for hellas too. I was kind of real like mad. I'm like, bro, why like what the fuck? Why they doing this? I don't want all that friction, you know what I'm saying? Upon like, because that ain't nothing I was claiming. I never was on some, I'm the king of Kansas City or I'm the best of woo-wout. Like, that was never my approach. Even on some best rapper shit, like to this day, I don't feel like I'm just the best rapper. Like, I'm gonna pop my shit. But this niggas who lean toward bars. I don't really lean toward bars and just lyrics, the lyrical of Sash and the spiritual best. But I don't, you know what I'm saying? Uh I just don't I don't really lean toward that. Ain't my like, I just pop my shit. You feel what I'm saying? So for whatever that's worth shit, man, you know, but I can command that truth.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

So uh, and and I might have missed this. What was your last pickup for?

SPEAKER_00 19:18

And 16?

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Guns. It was always guns. Every time it was guns. Uh this last one, shit, they stole it for real. Cause by then I'm kind of like evolving mentally. You feel me? So I ain't even really moving. I'm still doing hot boy shit, but I ain't just deep in it like a nigga just was. Like I'm understanding like a nigga got an opportunity with this music shit. So I'm really trying to look into that. I'm seeing niggas make millions of rap. Looking at the Meek Mills at the time, the Two Chains and just whoever. I'm like, boy, it's millions in this shit. If a nigga really just like apply this shit and really, you know what I'm saying, go about it in a manner to, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I won't, this is the life I'm wanting to live. Like, cars, you know what I'm saying, the jewelry, all that can be obtained from this. Like, I ain't I got a better shot doing this and getting it than selling zips or crap, getting it, or robbing niggas, laying niggas down and getting it. Like, that shit ain't give me that up to this point. So I'm like, let me try and like, you know, even though I was still doing that shit even at that time at that point, but that one foot in, one foot out shit, it wasn't never gonna work like that. Something had to give him. Shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Yeah. It was harder to hear. It's harder to hear when the homies is calling in. I mean, when they didn't call in, you were calling back home and they letting you know your shit is popping, and you can't really celebrate it like that. You weren't, you don't really get to feel it. I mean, you may hear it through the fans and stuff celebrating or keeping your name alive, but you still locked up.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Yeah, I never really was able to see it or witness it. That's why every time I got out, I kind of was still sleeping on me. Cause I never saw like the fruits of it. I kind of always was still looking at it like I was just a little D V, like, oh, me and nobody. Like, I I fuck with this shit, and I'm I like my I'm nice and all, but like I ain't really know the impact it was having because I'm in there. So it's like I was sleep on me until a nigga like was able to see like fast forward time, the game changed, and you got the internet and analytics and shit like that, and you can see just from the numbers. Like I always even knew, like, from like, like I say, seven heaven selling out, but even still, like, that's not no like we talking about like a couple thousand CDs selling out shit. Like, that's not near what I'm considering successful or Like still work to do. Like, that's on some Kansas City shit.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Yeah, small time.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Small time. Yeah. I wanted to. I'm like, I'm I was I was thinking bigger. I'm thinking like nationwide, worldwide. Like, you feel me? That's why my approach kind of always just been like um trying to establish us on a nationwide or worldwide front. Like, you know, then did it, then, then conquered the hood, then conquered the city, like, then it's like on to the next. A lot of niggas get to that spot where they got the city and they like, shit, I'm cool here. Shit, nigga. They getting the love and the clout and uh and they good with that, especially niggas who ain't never been lit, like through high school or just even in the streets, they get that type of love and they cool with it. Like, but like a nigga like me, I kind of always been like, you know what I'm saying, like kind of lit, just in wherever, hot school, just in the hood or whatever, like you know what I'm saying? So yeah, I was always kind of trying to, you know, push the envelope. Let's talk about that hundred something months.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

You hearing that. I don't know exactly how many I ain't got that kind of math in my head. 10 years, 10 years, 100 something months. You hearing that and then actually going through because this like your longest, this would be your longest bid, right? Yeah, yeah. How did you go into to this stint? Like, what was your mindset going into this stint? Besides, I know your brother passed at this time in your mind, but other than that, like the mindset one nigga.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Oh man, like hearing them type of numbers, double digits and shit, like a nigga never, like, nigga never saw some shit like that even happening. Like, you get to process and like, damn, you get to do the math. Like, okay. I think I was like 27 or something at the time. So I'm like, man, I was just doing the math. I'm like, oh fuck, it's over. I'm like, shit, I'm getting out at what? 30 at the time, like a 27-year-old thinking about getting out at 36. You like, it's over. You thinking that's old. Old, yeah. So you like, damn, man, I'm about to be an old head coming up out of there. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm a young nigga right now, lit. Mind you, I used to like pop my shit at the older homies and shit, like, old ass up, nigga. You 36, nigga. Show old ass on somewhere. Still trying to rap, still trying to rap. You know what I'm saying? So I'm popping shit to them. Now I'm having to process and just accept the reality. Like, damn, nigga, you ain't about to be out this bitch until you that age. So I'm like, I'm just like, fuck, man. That's a lot of. I'm feeling like these are nigga glory years. 27, 28, 29, 30, like 31, 32, 30. Like, I'm like, damn, bro, what the fuck? So I'm out here. I'm like, I'm fighting this shit. I got an appeal, and I had good appeal action. Like, you feel me? So I'm fighting. I'm buying lawyers. Uh, you feel what I'm saying? Sternberg, he wants 20, 30 bands. Get me out. It's looking good, fuck it. I already gave my initial lawyer 20 bands. You feel cashing out all them, all my little hustle money. My, I wasn't having like, I wasn't up, up. So this little 20 and 30 bands, 40, 50 little shit. I'm having this a nigga. Everything. Yeah, yeah. But in my mom, like, nah, and what's the use of having it? And you sitting there like, nigga, fucking spin this shit. And mind you, it ain't even just me, like, shoot. My bitch at the time, you know what I'm saying? She doing whatever she can do. My mom's at this, like, she, motherfuckers, we getting these lawyers this money, and uh, they just ain't delivering. So it's like, especially my initial lawyer, man. I'm like, nigga, how the fuck, nigga, you ain't got this money you supposed to free a nigga. You ain't he ain't fight it the way I was telling him to fight it. And that's why I ain't beat it. So, but yeah, that shit, man. It was hella, it was a lot of the process, bro. Like, you can only imagine. I'm out here lit, you know what I'm saying? I'm fucking with tech every day. We hollering, we talking, he calling me in the morning. What you doing, nigga? What we talking on the phone for hours or later, he like, nigga, come fuck with me. Like, at the time, and we having all types of talks and just plans of just shit moving forward that's going, you feel what I'm saying? Position the nigga and probably like, not even probably, but like change a nigga whole, just everything. He just like, bro, just stay out. Cause at the time, he knowing, like, man, DBS is a is a you know what I'm saying, is a wild card. Like, he's liable to still be out here. So he kind of really, I ain't gonna say reluctant, but he just like, bro, just just just you know what I'm saying, do what you gotta do, handle your business. And we, you know what I'm saying? We better, you know, even him, just all other, anybody, just all my other older homies and my niggas, my uncles near, my niggas who having this money, having their way, like nigga, we're gonna invest in you or whatever we need to do, just show us you can stay out, nigga. Like, nigga, move different, nigga. We're gonna be investing all these hundreds of thousands of resources and opportunities, just move different. So I'm like, all right, yeah, I'm on it. Whole time I'll pull off from them, pull up on some other shit, and yeah, just back that shit out the window.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yeah, it's out the window. That I mean, you can only imagine what these younger rappers, the the big labels that's invested in them is going through. Like, nigga, we didn't put all this money and you dead in two weeks, or you in prison for it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. What's the the the toughest situation? Not toughest, because I can I I feel like I know what the toughest thing you had to deal with. What's the craziest thing you've seen in prison and the craziest thing you've been a part of in prison? Those two different things. Oh shit, man. Yeah, out of all your strength combined, like what's the craziest thing you've been a part of and the craziest thing you've seen or witnessed?

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Well, the craziest thing I done been a part of probably was uh shit, nigga trying to shank me, nigga trying to take a nigga out. You feel what I'm saying? Uh it was a nigga, we running him up like shit. All this shit happening with me came on the heels of me running a nigga up. And the feds, you running nigga up, they gotta go. They can't walk their yard. It's just nigga like shit. Like for us who don't know when you say run a nigga up. Like we telling a nigga, you gotta go. Pack your shit, go to the hole, try it on the next yard, or whatever. Or you just go, we pack your shit, we get your shit. Or sometime nigga, just get the fuck, you know what I'm saying? Duff a nigga off and he just gotta get the fuck. So, but uh like the homies had the mid, like I'm at Polak at the time. Polak USP and uh shit, man. Niggas had it's the Midwest car I was with. But niggas had let some Crip niggas jump on a Midwest nigga, a nigga from our car. It's unacceptable. Like you can't, you niggas is out why this shit happened in mind you. We dealing with like COVID shit at the time, so they only letting it's like modified operations. Only the top tier out and the bottom tier lockdown, or the bottom tier out and a top tier lockdown. So I'm on a top tier, bottom tier out. You feel me? Some shit happened. One of the homies, it's a white homie and shit. But he with the niggas and shit with us. So he's on our time. So, you know, some happen shit with him in the Crips. About five, six Crip niggas, you know what I'm saying? Duffy Ma. The whole time. It's like four, five, five, six other Midwest niggas from our car standing there watching it. You feel me? They ain't do nothing. So all them niggas gotta go. Mind you, at the time, like shit, I'm having it for us, you know what I'm saying, in this unit, especially. I never, I don't even be wanting that shit, because I don't like all the politics and all that, like, I don't be wanting to do with nothing, want nothing to do with it. I'm busy trying to be on my phone or sell some deuce or get some money or whatever. So they trying to basically appoint you the decision maker and all that. Just because they feel like you can think and you know what I'm saying, you diplomatic, you can approach, you know to talk to niggas, everybody fuck with you. So if it's a situation, like you can whoop. So a nigga just had it by default, like, man, like, all right, fuck it. So I had to make that call, like, nigga, you niggas was out and watched this shit. All you niggas gotta go. Mind you, our numbers already thin. It's all it's only like seven, eight of us in that unit. Yeah, some 300 shit. They gotta go. So niggas tell him, like, you know, so everybody else got got their shit packed and left. It was just one nigga, you feel what I'm saying? He acted like he was leaving, but he didn't. So I go to uh I'm heading to visit. Um, they come over my door at the top. I'm gonna celly, like, man, take your joint, nigga, and just walk it with you to uh to the visitation room. Just because you know that nigga out there, that nigga might try it. So I'm like, man, that bitch ass nigga bet not. You feel what I'm saying? So I step out. Boom. I'm going down to the front door, waiting to get let out for visit. You know what I'm saying? And this nigga start walking over to me. So I'm seeing him, and I'm seeing he got his hand inside his uh his jumpsuit. So I'm already telling myself, oh, this nigga better try it. You feel what I'm saying? Mind you, I'm I'm 6'3, 6'4, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm lanky, I'm kickboxing shit. I'm kicking, I'm gonna kick him up. So I'm I'm like, this nigga come close, I'm kicking these shit out of him. Like, you know what I'm saying? So he gets coming over there, get the charging, you know what I'm saying? Pull that motherfucker and get the charging. The goofy ass CO, he ain't even like, you feel what I'm saying, nothing. So he just he kind of gets spooked and just froze. So as soon as I send this shit, like I like I say, kick the shit out and bow. He gets to swinging this motherfucker, you feel what I'm saying? But he's faking, he's playing, you feel what I'm saying? So we lock up with each other and shit. I just slam the nigga into the showers, slam the nigga on the ground the whole time. He steady swinging this bitch though. So I'm just like, damn, boy, I I know anyone, any one of these motherfuckers could like anybody train with this shit, even me. I'm just really trying not to get stabbed. I'm like, oh shit. I ain't approaching it on some. I'm fighting for my life. I ain't got no knife. So I'm really just shit, spooked like fuck. Like this nigga trying to, you know what I'm saying? Ham. So I get on top of the nigga. I still feel him trying to hit a nigga all on the side and shit. So I'm trying to grab this motherfucker from this nigga, the goofy ass CO that just seen this shit and know nigga. I'm trying to nigga protect myself, nigga. This nigga start macing me. I'm on top of this nigga just trying to hold his arm with the knife. This nigga start macing a nigga and shit and try to like tackle me and type shit. So all the time, like, man, what? So by the time he tackled me, I see this nigga better try to get up. I don't know if he's gonna go this move or not, but by then it's like 20 COs coming in and shit. So they treat me like I'm the fucking aggressor or whatever, and they kind of just treating him like the victim, like, oh, are you okay and all this little shit? So I'm like, man, that's funny. But yeah, so you know he ain't getting me real good. He got a nigga on the side with a cool and he had a piece of shit knife, but more so than that, them jumpsuits we had on, them bitches thick. And uh he just and he didn't know what he was doing or something, so you know, but that's probably one of the uh you know, craziest things a nigga done been involved in, or even another situation with a nigga, a nigga came in there from my hood. You know what I'm saying? Uh a nigga who I was with every day, one of my niggas, down there like my cousin, came in that motherfucker and uh he hot, he told I'm at Leavenworth at this point, so it's like nigga, I'm trying to give him the benefit of doubt like shit, nigga. You know you can't walk this motherfucker. I push in there, you know what I'm saying, let him know, like, hey, you ain't gonna be able to, you know what I'm saying, you ain't gonna be able to do it here. You had to go. He like, guys, like, oh, that shit ain't even what y'all thought. He told on the nigga, you feel what I'm saying, and I seen the paperwork. I know you did it. And normally by law and the feds, a nigga got 30 days to get their work. Uh, and yeah, straight, you feel what I'm saying? So, but I seen it, I know what, I know what's going on, he knows what's going on. So I'm really I push him there just casual, just letting him know, like, mind you, I grew up with this nigga. So I'm like, yeah, cuz like you just gonna have the boogie. It ain't gonna be able to, you know what I'm saying? He just came out the quarantine unit, he and there, so he like, I ain't going like that. Fuck that shit. You know, he whip out a knife too. I'm in a cell with him, at the you know what I'm saying? And this a uh a nutcase nigga just from my way. You feel what I'm saying? A nigga who I used to ride with, who I know gonna push, like he knows I'm gonna push. We don't want no skits together. So I know this nigga, he know me, so it ain't like no situation. So he whip out, like, nigga, fuck that, dude. Nigga, I ain't going, nigga. You just gonna be fucked up. Nigga, I ain't about to go like that. Whoa, wah, wah, wah. So I'm like, oh shit, this is what you want. Like, you feel what I'm saying? I'm a that motherfucker, I ain't got my knife or nothing. Like I said, I just pushing that motherfucker, really, just letting me like, cuz you ain't gonna be able to just try it somewhere else. You know you can't do it here. So he like, nah, nigga, I ain't walking like that, and I'm gonna go ahead and you know what I'm saying, this and this and that. So I'm like, all right, cool, you got it. You feel what I'm saying? I go to trying to push out the room. Nigga, take off on me. Bow. You feel what I'm saying? Kind of wobble a nigga and shit. But he playing to the point he takes off on me and just lock up with me. You know what I'm saying? Just start holding nigga, type shit. So I'm damn near able to kind of regain. He ain't knocked me out, he ain't even drop me. But you know how you know, I'm walking out, you get you off guard, like you know what I'm saying? I'm kinda like wobble. I'm like, so he holds me, lucky for me, so I'm able to kind of regain my shit. So the whole time you hold me, like, nigga, nigga, you my cousin, nigga. Oh, you supposed to be on my side and this and this and that. Oh, wah, wah, wah, wah. My head, I'm just thinking, like, okay, this nigga got this night. Oh, he we on that, cool. So I'm like, you got it, cuz you have a trip. Boom, yank off. Push up out there, motherfucker. I go get my shit. You feel what I'm saying? By then the homies and shit, they like, man, what the fuck going on in here? This and this and that. They trying to call a little fake ass politic meeting. So in the meeting, they like shit. 30 days, bro. Like, you got 30 days, you feel what I'm saying? Get your work and this and that. I'm like, no, he don't got 30 days, nigga. He getting the fuck, and they trying to like politic against that. Basically, like, I'm uh bucking, you know what I'm saying? So whatever. They get out the room and shit. Cuz guess where I'm like, nigga, put that either. We're gonna put that motherfucker down and go, or we going like this and shit. You feel me? So he put that motherfucker down and shit. As soon as he put that motherfucker down, nigga, open hand his ass. Bow. Bitch ass nigga, just start rocking and shit. Bing, bing, boom, pop. When that motherfucker, boom, police come. This nigga got blood all over his face. I got blood all over my shirt. But I bail out that motherfucker. It's a little rookie guard, so I'm able to push past him. Like, man, watch out. Like, he like, what's going on? I'm like, oh no, man, something just happened. I'm basically had I'm basically making like something something else just happened, somebody else. And me and him, you know what I'm saying, trying to figure it out. But that nigga ended up going to the hole. They see me come out the room, blood all over me. They come get me. Uh he down there though. So he tell him, like, nah, that's my cousin. He ain't do nothing. Like, and they like, what happened? I'm like, shit, I don't know. This is my cousin. I try to help get him together. Blood on my shirt and shit like that. Like, I just try to figure out what happened. And he stamped it. Like, he ain't tell him uh nothing that happened. You know what I'm saying? He freed a nigga, because otherwise, and I had a lot going on up. I had like 50 sheets of deuce in my cell, cell phones, all type of shit. So I'm just like, man, I cannot go out like this. I'm gonna take a loss. He freed a nigga. He like, nah, that's my cousin. He cool. So they let a nigga go. Dodge the bullet. You feel what I'm saying? Fast forward time, though. This nigga get out faking, talking about, oh, I did that to DV, I did this to DV. I slapped him. I stole him. If he tried to hit me, I ducked and this and all this faking shit. But mind you, it's a whole unit. See everything that's taking place. You feel what I'm saying? A whole unit, seeing the whole shit. So I don't engage, you know what I'm saying? Nigga get on Facebook. I don't do all that back and forth, none of that. You feel me? And I be seeing niggas uh engaging with him on some sucking shit, like this nigga, everybody knows the situation with him. But niggas don't give a fuck about that shit no more. So yeah. Then probably just as far as shit I didn't been involved in. Now craziest shit I done seen. A nigga sitting in that motherfucker dead for like four days. Uh yeah, nigga Celly killed him. My nigga from Chicago, BD. It was my little partner. Uh he got he got like, I don't know what they say, like choked out and his head stumped or beat up first and then choked at however the fuck, but uh they said a nigga like, yeah, he was fucked up, but he his celly tucked him in a bed. And anybody was at Polak at the time. Remember this shit, nigga, like it was yesterday, nigga. That nigga sat in that motherfucking dead for like four days. Count time would come through. Somehow he'd lift the nigga hand. Bro, count time come and go. Child come and go. I don't know how the fuck nigga stand in that bitch for four days.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

But no, it was a crazy stitch.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Yeah. I mean, no, I didn't even start to stitch just yet. Like, I think that's about the time where the a start, the body start, you feel me? But yeah, like he kept it, like when we out moving around, he had a room pitch black. So when niggas are like I remember myself trying to go past and just looking there, because I'm hearing about, I'm like, damn, I'm I heard him fighting at night. And I just never seen him again. So I'm like, they like he in there dead whole time. I'm like, man, is he for real? Every time I walk past, there is pitch black. And I'll try to look, but I ain't trying too hard because you know I said a nigga who did it, he right there. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, you you gotta be a nuts nigga just to be you sleeping in there with a dead body two, three, four days at a time. So like I ain't even trying to be in your mix, fuck it. Yeah, but it's my partner. I'm so I'm like, damn, man, you done killed my little partner, dog.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

And that shit just was at the I know you move with a non-scared mindset or whatever, but at any time in there, was it somebody there that you was just like, I'm absolutely not getting into shit with this dude?

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Oh, I ain't gonna say just no particular like person, but like just certain cars, you know what I'm saying? You niggas is gonna push, and it's it ain't like I absolutely ain't. I just steer clear. Like I said, I'm trying to get home. Yeah. Now if a situation happened and I'm in a and I'm putting in a situation where I just gotta do my stuff, I'm gonna do it. But like, shoot, man, any nigga doing fair time, like shoot, DC niggas ain't, them niggas is coming, they different. You know what I'm saying? DC niggas is different. Even some situations with some uh just game cars, niggas is different. You feel what I'm saying? So and me coming through, I'm like, I'm a realist. Like, I'll you know what I'm saying? I'm a fly guy, you know what I'm saying? I like to, you know what I'm saying, I do my stuff, you know what I'm saying, but I like to get money, fuck with bitches, you know what I'm saying? I'm got a sense of humor and shit like that. Whereas you got niggas in this bitch, probably with life sentences, don't give a fuck about nothing but banging, or probably got X amount of time, or however much time, and all they know is this, nigga, I'm on this. So if you look at it like a video game where a nigga might be a 99 shooter, but a 40% dribbler or 30% defense or whatever the case is, you feel I'm saying. Uh a lot of street niggas are fake it like they just 99 overall with everything, but every nigga know where their strengths are and where their weaknesses are, you feel I'm saying, and like I say, I just always been a nigga where I'm good with the bitches. Like, you feel what I'm saying? I'm good hustling. I'm good with my hands too, though. You feel what I'm saying? But like shit, even though some gangster shit, I'm gonna slime up, do my stuff, put a nigga up, whatever I need to do. But when you're talking about just some straight, just jailhouse barbaric living type shit, knives, niggas going for a throttle and shit like that. It's niggas who in the 99 club with that shit. I didn't even want to be in the 99 club on some jailhouse barbaric shit, trying to get back to the streets. You know what I'm saying? Push up on some hoes, put that shit on or whatever, bounce out something, fly. You know what I'm saying? I ain't trying to niggas that go pretending like they on some 99 overall, jailhouse with the knife, barbaric shit. Then the niggas who don't make it out, that bitch. Cause you playing. I push to that bitch just humble. I mind my business, get my money. Niggas like niggas I interact with, they be like, okay, bro, on some getting some money. He trying to get that deuce in this bitch, get some phones, this drone hit, whatever. He trying to get the cigarettes. Anywhere I'm getting, I'm hustling. And to where niggas fuck with me, like, cause they know this nigga better wake the yard up. You know what I'm saying? Something gonna hit.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

And shit, that nigga gonna make it happen. And then you some tripping with him or woo wobble him, cause he the way. Just be on some money shit when I'm in prison. Alright, trying to make some money. Trying to compromise the CO or figure out a way to get that shit in.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Yeah. While you on while we on COs, uh, besides this man just letting this dude about to stab you up or whatever, just standing there. Is there bad situations you had with COs? Or was it always smooth?

SPEAKER_00 44:21

Nah, too many. It was so many dickhead COs, man. So many dickhead COs. I just had to understand, like, bro, it's no win with them. We can't win. I can go back and forth. I can talk till I'm blue. At the end of the day, I'm going to lock down in the cell. They're going home to their bitch or they to their nigga or whatever the case is. And I can't win. Because shit goes too far. I'm just going to end up in a hole and lose out on everything. Mind you, have the shit. 98% of my bid, I had phones and shit in my room. I had shit to lose. So I wasn't never just trying to be taking it there too far with them because I'm that's goofy on my part. I got a whole, I got all shit in my room. So a lot of times I just let them have it. They blow me down or talk wet to me, whatever, whatever. You got that. Like, I'm knowing me. And they can't fuck with me outside of there at all. Just as a person, they can hide behind the badge, but like, you know what I'm saying? I'm knowing they can't fuck with me. Nothing outside of that. You feel me? Yeah, they didn't do like random shakedowns.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

And shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 45:29

Yeah, I didn't got pinched on some random shakedowns and uh all types of shit like that. Like for the most part, I was uh I moved like sharp. Like there come random shakedowns. Nine times out of ten, I'm beating them. Cause I wasn't really having like either shit in my room at certain points and certain times. Like, you just gotta know the shifts. When certain people working, I ain't even whatchall it, because I know they be on me. So they used to run down on me all the time, especially at Leavenworth, they running down on me. Or even at uh like some other spots. Like niggas that get to talking, you know, like otherwise, how they know I'm knee deep in this or that. Like, so they'll always try to catch me down bad, count time, or this time or that time. I just wasn't, uh for the most part, I was smarter than them. I'm just it was certain occasions where shit, day one, they run down and you know, catch a nigga down bad, catch 30, 20 sheets or something, or phones, chargers, knives, you know what I'm saying? And shit, nigga just go to the hole, lose that 41 days good time, and be back at it. Get out and shit. I'm on to my next play, try and get some more shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Did you ever uh look at the women CEO and wonder like, why would you why would you work here?

SPEAKER_00 46:52

So I feel like me personally, they do that knowing like at some point, I don't know, it's something within them who really intrigued with that. And because I'm not gonna, if I'm going to a female prison, I'm already knowing like it's potential that shit, man. Some could be attractive to me, or I might want, they know it ain't like they're applying for that job and just all the way lost in the sauce to possibilities of what can happen. I feel like every motherfucker in that motherfucker to some degree can get compromised. And I done seen it, I done done it. You feel me? I done fucked CO bitches, I done got head from nurse bitches, I done have COs bringing shit and all type of shit. It's just really about the nigga who get the drop. Cause it's a thousand niggas approaching their ass. They don't know me from the next nigga. So unless I can get a chance to push up and uh, you know what I'm saying, stand out, which every nigga trying to push up and stand out. So then at that point, you don't even want to push up because there's so many niggas trying to push up and stand out. So it gotta be a rare situation where you can, you might got a job, you can, you know what I'm saying, push up and get familiar with it. Like you gotta start slow. A lot of niggas just jump out fast. Hey, your ass fat or I'm trying to woo wow. But I was always the type trying to get familiar, let them see my like personality and see like like some shit about a nigga just on some cool shit. Then I go in my mood, like check it, man. I'm trying to get some money, or hey man, you you you cold, like woo-woo whoop, and just go with my move from there.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

But you know now there's this I'd be remiss not to ask you this. You and Kiwi did a song, Snakes, or whatever. And I really don't know the politics of that, but he, I think I believe he passed while you were still locked up.

unknown 48:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

Uh, did y'all gain any type of relationship at that point, or was it just a song?

SPEAKER_00 48:45

Yeah, uh before Kiwi passed, uh, we spoke shoot a few times. Like, especially at the time when he passed, we had a uh a cool little, like, you feel what I'm saying? It never really like, I don't know, just on the strength, and I feel like I can speak for him too when I say this, just like he Kiwi from the 30s, I'm D V from the 50s, so it's like by law, it's just could, you know what I'm saying? I don't know, but like even when we was in jail together, like we fought and everything. Just kind of like uh him standing his 10, and you know what I'm saying, me standing mine and shit, you know what I'm saying? I respected the shadow of him because you know shit, a lot of niggas in that motherfucker tucked their tails, especially like me. I'm pushing up. Like at the time, I'm young, nigga, I'm feeling like I got shit to prove, and I'm feeling like nigga, I'm pushing up on anything opposite of this 50 shit. Uh and Keeve, like shit, he stood his 10. Like, nigga, what's up, nigga? Where we at? Where we going with it? We fought a few times, for real, for real. But um shit get to the point where we end up getting cool. You feel what I'm saying? And uh in there, uh, we sat down after after the fact and ended up starting, you know, uh just gradually just start, you know what I'm saying, growing on each other and shit. We didn't went out and hit laps together, just run the track, just talking to the point, but it just never was like we too prideful at that time. Whereas fast forward time when he came home from prison this last time, before, you know what I'm saying, the situation that happened with him, he was like way more just mature, just as far as his mindset and all that shit. So he wasn't like letting pride get in the way of nothing. Like he holler at me like, man, bro, like nigga, woo wop, da-da-da-da, just whatever the conversation was. And I just seen like, damn, bro, that's this nigga done grew a lot just mentally, and even to the point, just made me look at myself like nigga. That's that's something like you can, like, you know what I'm saying? That's where a nigga wanna be as far as like able to bury whatever like shit that it was on the strength. Like, mind you, by law, we supposed to be odds with each other at odds for shit to life. It's supposed to be nigga fuck you, and it's supposed to be fuck me. Like, nigga, you from the 30s, I'm from the 50s, and like nigga, you the face of that shit on some like, you know, whoop in the face of this shit. So, and a lot of niggas wasn't um alright with the fact that we, you know, uh, that we just kind of grew past all that to a point where shit we probably could have been in the same room and nothing, you know what I'm saying? Uh I'm certain that's like I said at the time, I'm locked up. And so we just kind of hollering at the on the phone or on Instagram and shit. Like, even when my mom passed, like he uh he reached out, you know what I'm saying? IG and just kind of you know I sent this condolences and was even like bro, shoot, what you whatever you need me to do, bro. I got you. I can only imagine you and they're going. Mind you, my mama and his mama was like this. So it's like he knew her. So even aside of aside from just being like, damn, bro, I can only imagine what you're going through. He like, damn, bro, that's kind of like, you know what I'm saying? Uh that's his mama's best friend. It was like best friend. So his mama missed Shannon and shit. And my mama was thick as thieves and shit. So, you know, he uh, you know, that nigga was just a sharp thinking type nigga. Like he was a real like thinker type nigga and just matured his mindset. And I was I I was impressed by how that nigga was able to um get to that point.

SPEAKER_01 52:21

I know your mom was just probably on your head tops at a point, like what y'all got going on? Like, what damn right.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

Now for the longest they was like, man, this shit can't happen until it just was so far that they even couldn't like like you know, once so much shit happening, like they even kind of like bagged up from their friendship. You know, and a mama's love is different, so they gonna rock with their son. So, you know, she rocking with uh him, that's her son, and my mama rocking with me. Not like they static and with each other, but they just like knowing it's too serious to the point they can't like they probably hollering still here and there, maybe texting or something. I don't know how, like, you know, but I know they wasn't as close as they was, and I know that's only because of us and the the differences we was having and shit.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

And it's crazy how close y'all names is too when it comes to that. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

It's it's uh it happened that that wasn't by coincidence, you feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 53:17

And for both of y'all to be up here amongst the city, so uh knowing how like his potential and where he could have gone with it and how people looked at him, y'all both two are the only people I know that and besides tech, of course, that got like the million got millions in views on like YouTube and stuff like that. Uh well I don't know. As far as I can think of. Maybe give or take another uh nigga or two, but yeah, for sure. Maybe bird up there or something. But to hear somebody with that potential, and then you knowing your potential and all the shit you going through and all the deaths and stuff like that, and to lose another Kansas City great like that. And at this time, y'all started to mend a little bit. Well, I don't know if it's y'all was ever cool, so mend is I don't know if mend is the correct word, but y'all started to get cool. Yeah. How did that impact you? How did that loss impact you?

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Honestly, bro, I was shocked. I was, I just couldn't believe it for real, because I'm I'm knowing like niggas like us, uh, like we we gotta move a certain way, just knowing, like, when you the face of it, like somebody will kill you, they don't even know you, just wanting that on their hands. You feel what I'm saying, or just wanting to try to, you know what I'm saying, or whatever the case is, and like I don't really know the ins and outs, like details about his demise and how it happened, but like like I say, just throughout the years, like this was like my main opt. At least on the on the I can't even say just in the streets because on paper. On paper, yeah. Because on the streets, it wasn't like we ain't really had no just like you know, encounters like, but just on paper, it's D V versus Kiwi. Unless it was like Kiwi versus like like double or some shit like that, but like as far as motherfuckers like it's like water and grease, like we wasn't never supposed to mix. And just being like that, we knew it, and we was just more so like nigga, yeah, nigga. So when it happened, I'm just like, dang, cause he made it through the the phase where he was really, like when he was really popping that, like when he dropped that top gun shit, and like if he was really like, I'm like, you made it through all that, you done got shot in the head when it was thick and all that. And so it's like then you get to the point where like you really playing chess, you done leveled up your mindset, and now it's like it's like damn, that it just threw me off. Like, what the fuck? You feel what I'm saying? Because I watched his growth. Even from in there, I'm paying attention to everything, like niggas like him, uh, even like like niggas like Delio and shit. I'm seeing niggas gradually like up their rank. You know what I'm saying? I'm just monitoring like how nick what niggas do with it and how they, you know. So I'm like, uh, it just was a shock, you know what I'm saying? Niggas just kind of like the game go, you can never you can never say how you're gonna go out, you know, when or how or whatever, but it was a shock to a nigga like damn boy and let him catch up to him.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

And shit, you know, and especially knowing you one of them ones. And I to be totally honest, I'm in and out of y'all music. You know what I'm saying? I ain't about to act like I was there from the beginning or whatever. I didn't get on Kiwi to like uh I'm done that shit. Like, I like real shit that like really talking. All that pop out shit, I don't really care for it. Like when you really talk me some shit, like your your latest stuff that you talking about, I'm hit. I'm on that shit. So shout out to Studio B. Cause when B that shit happened, and I even just seeing the cover, the snakes and how it was, and then hearing now, while I'm not listening to all the music and total, when I heard that was I clicked on that shit so fast. I'm like because it was just so big for the city to me, like just to see like those two tie in, and uh, I gotta commend both of y'all on the noise around everything y'all passed, and then to make that happen, putting pride aside to make that happen, bro.

SPEAKER_00 57:27

Yeah, I feel like it was definitely huge for the city and for like the youth, and just for motherfuckers to see, like, I don't know, after that shit, and like we had to talk, it's just like, man, we could make way more money in this shit. We just, you know what I'm saying? Rather than like, of course, it's gonna be money and controversy and like beef, but like shit, like, especially with Kiwi being one of the rawest niggas to touch a mic out the city, top five for sure. You know what I'm saying? Hands down, easily top five. Maybe you might can go further than that, but like shit. I ain't gonna never doubt a nigga pin game.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

You ever heard uh uh uh Shadows and Stones with him and Nick? With him and Nick? With him and Nick, Nick B. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Nick B Nick Nick been dope. Both them niggas went crazy on that. For sure, them niggas went crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:15

Nah, that's that motherfucker is crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh yeah, Nick, uh, we done hollered and shit since I've been home and just supposed to be figuring something out. So yeah, nah, that motherfucker is insane. Yeah, uh, but just even earlier than that, because like that was some later shit. But just from from the from the jump, like man, that nigga, I shh, the nigga been bussing. That nigga Kiwi been bussing, just like I say, the top gun is that's what first got my attention. This game got me on the run. I'm popping niggas for fun and stuff. Well, he naming niggas.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

So even when y'all was going through what y'all was going through on the the bad side of things, when you hear stuff, you can still give credit. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

That's he always been to me, like I I done told him, like, boy, bitch, yo ass boy, even at that time, like, man, this nigga, like, he one of them niggas that it that's just gonna give you hell. Like, you gonna be up, he gonna, you gonna have you, he gonna have you up late. He drops something, you gonna have to like, you feel what I'm saying? Cause you know he coming. And he didn't make it to be the hardest nigga from the 30s just from or just hardest nigga, one of the hardest niggas from the city, just from from not coming with it, like that nigga came with it, bro. So I always applaud that nigga uh his pen game, you feel me? Cause it's just when you look back and it's like, damn, you see how you know, like I say, a nigga could never know how they gonna go out or when, but it's just like, damn, boy, you know what I'm saying? Uh you just look, you looked forward to see what uh where his journey was gonna take him as far as you know what I'm saying, in this lane on this music shit, you know what I'm saying, to even hear the uh the vent and just all of his later shit. Like, I ain't like when I heard that vent, I'm like, damn, boy, this nigga ain't missed a step. Yeah. And I'm in there listening to it, you feel me? Uh and mind you, like at the time, like shit, this before me and him was even like hollering, like I said, we've been kind of like cordial, but it's still been that competitive type, like, so when you when you do see like your op, or not even your op, your competitor or whatever type shit. Uh he come home and he comes with some shit like Vent. I'm like, damn, man, bitch. He comes with that shit. Fuck. Like that nigga, you know what I'm saying? It's like, damn, okay. Up the end, he yeah, he the type of nigga wanna make sure you stay on stay on your toes, nigga. Keep coming, cuz you know, that nigga gonna come.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

So that's how fire you read that like that. Like it you let it build you versus like, ah fuck that. That shit that's fire, bro. I commend that for sure spirit, bro. Would you say before you left got released, you were already free in mind?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Uh yeah, for sure. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

Being released and getting out here, what was that like? And what's the journey? What do you plan on the journey being?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:24

Uh just getting out here. I've been like really just kind of peeping changes in this shit, just the game. Like I say, with social media being what it is to the game now, streaming platforms being what like ain't no more CDs for real. It's streams, like, and niggas getting paid pennies on the stream, like just all this shit, and seeing like the real uh the movers and pushers, like you know what I'm saying, and this game, like podcasts, kind of like leading the charge with just entertainment and you know, uh content streamers and shit like that, like just seeing the change of the game and just seeing like almost like right now, rap being probably at the lowest it ever been. Like at once upon a time, this being one of the most, the most impactful genre music, it's like now it's like damn. So I just try to look like how can what's the way I can, you feel what I'm saying, move the needle or have an impact. You feel what I'm saying, splash in the ocean, fuck just in a puddle. Like Kansas City, I look at that like it's a puddle, like fuck splashing in the puddle. I'm trying to, you feel what I'm saying, figure out a way to uh make this shit count on a large scale. So I've just been trying to just play it by the eye and play it by the ear. Uh, you know, learn the game for what it is now. Shit. A decade a long time to be gone. And um, you know, so nigga, I I never was supposed to just bounce back and try to just jump right in it like ain't nothing changed, like shit different. Like the same shit that whatever rank or whatever uh hits I had then, it don't mean nothing right now. Like I I'm in a whole rebranding phase. You feel what I'm saying? And just trying to see that for what it is and you know, make my mark. Like nothing that it was, it just don't matter no more. And I just was really shocked to see how when I came home, uh like a nigga could go do a year or two and lose all steam, all momentum, like gotta start from rock bottom. Like it's that easy. That's whereas I'm I done did damn near a decade, so I'm just knowing like my work cut out for me, and it is. But it's like once I came home and I got to putting out little snippets or little just like you know, shits, and I'm seeing like okay, like it's it's still a little, you feel what I'm saying? Like, I still got my work cut out for me. Don't get me wrong, but it just ain't what I thought. Like, I thought like this shit was gonna be at a zero or one or two, yeah, and it ain't. It's a it's a cool like five or six or something. So it's still seven, eight, nine, and ten to get to. It's just some work. So I'm just trying to see the best way to go about it. Position, you know what I'm saying? Myself, not even myself, just this next level brand. Like, you know, I'm looking at it in terms of the brand. I look at cash money, baby, and slim, or I look at P with no limit, you know what I'm saying? And just that's the type of shit that I try to, or nip. And you know what I'm saying, the all money in shit. Like, I'm like on some, like fuck just on some rapper shit and clout. Like, I'm I want to have this next level shit booming. And, you know, we get money and being successful, establishing ourselves, me and artists and merchandise, touring and content, you know, whatever. Just building some shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:05

And uh, this would be my last question. Then I'm gonna ask you to mark us out if you remember what that is, too. Leave something on the mind and the heart. Um, I said earlier, wrestling would come back around. And if you could compare out all you remember, I asked you, do you think wrestling is what you felt when you heard wrestling was fake or whatever. You remember when I asked you that? Um when you learn what you learned about the streets before you really after all the things you'd have been through in the streets and you really sat back and look at it, can you see how it compares to wrestling?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:48

Damn right. It's almost synonymous, like just the way like this shit, not even just saying the streets is fake, but because it's very much Real, obviously, like, but like, man, just shit superficial, like, especially with social media, you feel what I'm saying, and just the way, just the antics and just how motherfuckers would go about this shit for the clout, or just for you know what I'm saying, for the sake of a name or some bitches, this, or whatever the case is, like you'll see all the man. When I was locked up, I seen I had a phone, I told you, the whole time. So I'm seeing all the faking. I'm seeing all the facades, all the just the shenanigans, especially through uh through COVID. I'm just like, damn, I'm seeing motherfuckers is just I don't know, just I'm seeing how motherfuckers was landing on thick on some character-ass wrestler shit. So I'm just like, man, like this shit is almost a joke. I know it ain't a joke, but this shit is, I can see how they draw parallels, you feel what I'm saying, to the people who do. Like, a lot of these niggas is they gimmicky. They live in off gimmicks. They whole makeup, everything about their makeup is just a gimmick. You feel me? You got niggas who in this shit who ain't playing, and it ain't no gimmick, but a lot of niggas, especially like, you know, who we seein', niggas is faking. You know what I'm saying? It's no different than a nigga who go put on a mask or put on some face paint and um run down to the ring and uh, you know, catch a rock bottom or something, or get stunned, whatever the case is. It should be like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:33

But you can really hurt yourself playing out here.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:35

You can really hurt yourself playing out, just like wrestling, though. You see, buddy fell down, hit the turnbuckle, and died in real life. So playing, you you you can play, or you can what you call it, but like nigga, at the end of the day, like on this shit for real.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:48

So the nails, the fire, the chair, all that shit is real. Coughing.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:52

All that shit. That shit used to be, I used to be sitting in front of that TV, bro. Wrestling was crazy to me, bro. Undertaker out there, nigga. You hear that bell ring or stone call, you hear that glass break. You like I still get chills when I hear that glass break.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:08

Man, me too. Same chills I got when I heard you and Kiwi together.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:13

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. When I first heard that shit, too. I just I was I was amazed. I'm like, damn. Cause like I said, I'm in there, so it's like how it was put together. I'm like, and I just knew the impact it was gonna have just on uh I feel like people look at it like um, like some of my niggas, they wasn't for it. Like I kind of had some words with some of the homies about that shit, like, you know, um, because everybody just mindset, everybody not gonna see it for the everybody ain't gonna see the bigger picture. So some of my niggas is just strictly 50s or strictly just 5'7, strictly five, whatever they rep. And that's just that. Like, even so much so they ain't even with the, like, you know, it was just it was a whole 58 deuce movement type shit. Some homies ain't with none of the east side shit, wouldn't none of the north side shit. That's just they, yeah, that's just their position. They wasn't never with it, even when we was. Like, they just wasn't never, you feel me? Um, and that's just it's gonna be like that. You know what I'm saying? You make certain decisions for for the uh for the cause or just the overall, like the better and betterment of something, some niggas just ain't gonna see it. And that's just gonna happen. If you're basing it off of that, you lost already because you're gonna you ain't gonna never get ahead or cross that threshold because you so worried about what certain individuals are gonna think or feel about something. So if you know it's a certain move or power play that's gonna, you feel what I'm saying, splash in the ocean, then yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:42

Sometimes you gotta leave people behind. It's in my own mindset. Everybody ain't gonna see it, bro. Speaking of seeing it, a few people come on here with shades and stuff. Is that just a fashion statement for you, or you wear those shades for a reason?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:56

Nah, actually, shit, man. These motherfuckers just I threw them hoes on. You feel what I'm saying? But yeah, you know, them hoes that come off. Yeah, I started to not even, you feel what I'm saying? But I'm like, fuck it, you know what I'm saying? Right ass light, shit. You know, I'd be on some blah shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:13

Yeah, you know. Wasn't nothing wrong with them, I'm gonna just say because a lot of people hide behind those glasses.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:18

Yeah, see, niggas that hide behind them, but shit like me, uh, it's more on some fashion shit. Like, I can look myself in the eye in the mirror and be cool with what I see, like happy. You feel what I'm saying? A lot of niggas can't look in the mirror because they know, like, damn, I'm I'm flawed or whatever the case that ain't the case. A lot of niggas do hide behind them lenses, but nah, man, this shit is, you know what I'm saying? I can look directly in the camera and feel, you feel me?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:46

And I know I said that was the last question. But when you search yourself, what's the hardest part of you to fuck with? What's the hardest part to fuck with? What you mean? Like the the the hardest part of you you know you need to get past this, but you just have it in growth, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:11

Um probably it'll be this turf shit. Uh I'm like this shit is who a nigga is. This shit what I uh took on earlier. That this shit done got me probably in all the bullshit I done been in, but at the same time it done it done protected a nigga from a lot of bullshit too. Like, so I just kind of um I'm always gonna be about this fire shit, like, regardless, even in some corporate shit. And that may not be, may or may not be oh the greatest route. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, the best route, but like even some niggas, like even Snoop, like Snoop ain't abandoned cripping to this day. You feel me?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:56

But it's certain things he won't involve itself in, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:01

Yeah, so he knows where to draw the line. So it's like I'm learning more and more like where that line in the sand is, and kind of like, you know, but it's almost like I know I ain't got to that point because for the cause, like shit, man. Like, you feel what I'm saying? Back against the wall, and just if it's ain't nobody else gonna push about this shit, I know I am, you feel me? And it's like uh it's just one of them things, like you feel me. I took this on though, so it's like shit. Um you put the number before yourself. So I put the number before myself. Uh I have for a bulk of my life. That's that's kind of how I've been. I don't think nobody's just putting anything above itself, probably but family. Shit. You feel what I'm saying? Uh, but because like will I you at will I die about that shit? I done created situations where my life was on the line, my freedom was on the line. So I guess you could say like shit about that number, about that five shit. So in terms of that, like shit, man, uh I nigga done risk risked it all, but at some point you gotta you get to a point where you know, like, man, I ain't even doing this number no good if I'm in the dirt or if I'm in a cell. Uh I gotta be out here making an impact. You feel what I'm saying? Even just for the betterment of that number. I got to be position myself to where shit I can thrive and I can make the five thrive. Ah, you like that?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:33

Nah, but uh yeah, for sure I do.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:36

Uh like the words that's coming with it. I just, you know, you get to a point where you just gotta level up your mindset, and I just like I think more about myself. I when I ride through the five, or when I just think about what the five has become, just how I done collapsed in terms of like my peers, the niggas I grew up with, all the static it is now, and all the uh tension, the friction it is, like this shit divided, or even just coming through that motherfucker, it's like you know what I'm saying, it's gentrified, it's all it's white people running their poodles. Like at a point in time you would have never seen a white person jogging with their motherfucking uh AirPods and with their dog or something like, or just up and down these uh 50 blocks. It's you know what I'm saying? It ain't what it was, you feel me? So it's like niggas be like, damn, but what the fuck is this shit? You know what I'm saying? But for what it's worth, man, you know, I still uh I'm still the face of this shit. You feel what I'm saying? Me and some of my uh a handful of my comrades who don't take this shit light, isn't being too much sure. Just you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:54

I just think the real name has to get in front of the five, and young D V has to if Young D V is still running with the five, y'all don't multiply, y'all continue to subtract. Yeah, but if the real name is leading the charge, you got so much up here, bro. And it's so much in here. If the real name is leading charge, it's people who ain't gonna embrace it. But I bet I bet they'll embrace that in go, that inline, that inline, because you gonna you you want that thing to multiply, bro. That ain't gonna happen if you still the same person. I know I ain't gotta tell you that. Yeah, no, for sure. You ain't lost some, you said it was a big three. It's only two of y'all still living, and we didn't even talk about Doe living his losing his life and how you had to deal with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:48

That was the gravity of that was crazy too. Cause like I say, man, RD was uh, that was my brother, man. Every day, a nigga I'm with. You feel me? And even though we went and was doing our time and we went to the feds, and that shit kind of got in the way of everything, kind of like what you were saying a second ago. If you put in this number in the front of it, then you subject to doing all this time and these, and then the the name don't even it get it, it gets further and further, it fade further and further from the actual the number or the cause or just the overall being of it. So um, and it's gonna fade like that. Reality is shit, we all gonna die one day, and 50, 100 years from that point, motherfuckers on the same numbers we rep and probably won't even know what it was or what it meant to this nigga, or whatever the case is. So a nigga really just wanna make something substantial that's that even exceed that five shit. You feel what I'm saying? You take that five shit and make some more of it. But yeah, like Rondo man, uh RIP, you know what I'm saying? It's my bro. That nigga snatched a nigga up or took a nigga under two at a time where it shit. Like I said, I'm 15, 16, 17, I'm a kid, I'm a teenager. Him and cuz, him and double these niggas in their 20s. Probably ain't had no business with my young ass, but they probably saw something like, man, now we fucking with cuz like niggas, this nigga woo-wop or whatever. So um, yeah, man. That shit, when that when that shit happened with cuz, that shit touched the nigga, man. Cause I was looking forward to getting out and uh getting back to it with him for sure. We talked about it. For sure. Like, well, we gotta make this shit shape. And so even with double shit, like oh like cuz not, I guess he's not fucking with it. Yeah, he uh he on to some other shit. You get to that point in your journey, I guess sometimes, man, and that's life.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:43

So I don't know if you got any words for us to leave us marked out, but um, some words for the mind and the heart.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:54

Uh man, just cherish this shit, man. Uh life is short, you feel me? Uh we don't never know when we're going out, how we're going out, you feel what I'm saying? Love yours, you feel me? Your people, your family, you feel what I'm saying? Don't take none of this shit for granted. You could be here today and tomorrow I'll be facing a life sentence, or just you feel me? Even worse, you feel me? Just make an impact. You feel what I'm saying? If you got the tools, the resources, even if you don't, just make it count for whatever, however, you can make it count, you know what I'm saying, in your situation, because it might have an impact on the next motherfucker, and that motherfucker might take something that he gathered from you and make some world-changing or just whatever. So I just, man, don't take this shit for granted. You feel me? Uh, I done lost so much, so many people, so much time. You feel what I'm saying? And just for the Y's, like, I know it's easy to look at time and not really think much of it, but you be done looked up, and next you know, you like me, you 36, and you now you looking at time like, oh shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? You monitoring, you watching it close now because like you like, hold up, you know what I'm saying? Next is them 40s and them 50s, so like, don't take none of this shit for granted. You feel what I'm saying? You able to wake up free, go to the refrigerator, you feel what I'm saying, drink out the carton or whatever, man. Just know none of this shit, man, and guaranteed love yourself, man. Love your people, make it count, man. You feel what I'm saying? Uh give praise to the most high. You feel what I'm saying? Because I mean, without that, if you ain't got no kind of connection with the most high, and you know, it's a dangerous place to be, especially like I just told you, I went through the little situation I went with. I was like bucking, I was rebelling against like even just him, but I know I know I was in the wrong mindset at that time. So, and that's one of the craziest things I ever went through in life. So, man, that's all, man. Just make it count, man. Whatever your situation is, make that shit count, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:08

Don't let the names of those you lost go in vain, bro. God got you here for a reason. Make it game. All that loss, turn it into game, bro. That's your purpose. The goal is to leave a lasting imprint on their minds and their hearts. We pray you've been indelibly, Mark. I appreciate you, man. Thank you, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:25

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:25

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:26

Watch your head. Oh, snaps. You know my tall ass. Thank you. Thanks for the opportunity, man.