Grew Up In A Haunted House | Demons, Spirits & Paranormal Encounters | Marie Jackson

What happens when the paranormal isn't something you watch on television—but something you live with every day?

In this unforgettable episode of Indelibly Marked, Marie Jackson shares her experiences growing up in a home filled with unexplained activity. From hearing voices and seeing shadow figures to encounters that left lasting impressions on her life, Marie opens up about the moments that challenged everything she thought she knew.

She discusses the spiritual impact of these experiences, how they affected her family, and why she ultimately chose to speak publicly about what she witnessed.

Whether you're a skeptic, believer, or simply curious about the unknown, this conversation will leave you questioning what exists beyond what we can see.

What Is Your Testimony?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

All of a sudden the lights go off in the bathroom, everything is just blinking, it just looks crazy. My mom's in the living room. My brother's playpen, from what I heard, was going back and forth across the floor. My sister's in the bedroom, and she's being hung upside down from the freaking bed, like reversed, upside down. So her legs are facing the ceiling. So we're all experiencing something at the same time. So we concluded that there's definitely more than one thing. So I'm the middle child of nine kids. My mom and dad had nine kids together. We're all born and raised in Kansas City, Missouri. We're all still in Kansas City, Missouri, still living. My mother and father, they have passed on.

SPEAKER_06 1:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

But we're still here. So the dynamic that I was raised in, I was raised in a very stable and structured environment. So there wasn't too much that we could do in our environment that would that would go unnoticed, that would go unnoticed with my parents. Everything that we did was was was disciplined to a specific schedule and way of living. My father was an only child, he's from uh Kansas. My mother was uh she's from Louisiana, but she was actually born in Germany. So she has dual citizenship and she's by bilingual. And they met, came to Kansas City, had all of us, you know, and I'm six girls, three boys. And my father was one of those men, you know, alpha men, men that love to be in the field, very strong-willed, very territorial. He was very, very, very dominant in our household, and pretty much anything that went on in our household with him being in leadership, it it was it was all about his direction. So we were very old, we were very obedient. Sometimes to the point where it was it was unsettling how obedient we had to be to his his word, but we didn't go against the grain of his authority. If that kind of paints a picture for our household. We were in a decent lifestyle. We, you know, for nine kids, you walk into our house, you don't know nine kids live there. That's how that's how strong, willed, and disciplined and structured our household was. We were required to clean constantly. We couldn't have dust anywhere in our house, we couldn't have trash anywhere in our house. Everything was all strategically folded and organized in our home. So that just kind of painted a picture of our lifestyle. Because you think with a household with that many kids, it's chaotic. Nah, it wasn't chaotic. Ours was very disciplined. We were not allowed to bring bees home from school. We bring a bee home, we got our ass whooped. That's how our lifestyle was. So being in that home, you know, some things is just if something unique happened outside of that structure, there was always a reason. Okay, there was an explanation from my daddy. Oh, this happened. This is the explanation. This happened, this is the reason why. But there were things that happened to us in in our childhood in these houses that we lived in that we couldn't give no explanation to. Daddy's detailed explanation was not gonna work this time. My mother, very beautiful, God rest her soul, she was very docile, very submissive. Anything that my dad wanted, she gave him. He wanted a bunch of kids. He was the only child. She gave him a bunch of kids. She was very, very, very submissive. But when it came to the dynamics of the household, she didn't have a lot of say-so in a lot of things. Again, like I said, my dad was very, very alpha male in our home. You know, my mom didn't pay any bills. That's one thing that I was like, okay, you know, there's some things and structures that he implemented that I use in my life now. Um, but my mom was not allowed to pay a bill. She took care of us, she took care of the household, she took care of our clothes, she took care of the food, but she was not allowed to take care of anything that my dad felt like that was his responsibility because it was a stag on his integrity. So he didn't feel like he was being a man if the woman had to step in and help you with something that you're supposed to be in charge of. So my mother, she played a role. Um, even if we did, even if we got utility shut off, which we did. We had lights, gas, water, you know, all that stuff used to get shut off. But my mom wouldn't let my mom, my my dad wouldn't allow my mother to pay for any of it. He would go out, he was a hustler, he was a cab driver, you know, yellow cab. You know, we got lifts and we got Ubers now. But back then it was yellow cab. So um my dad drove a yellow cab. They used to call him Storm and Norman. And, you know, he he took care of it. If he couldn't take care of it, he figured it out. You know, you know, back in the day they had those little water poles. If the water get cut out, cut off, he was going outside, he was turning the water back on. I got it. You ain't touching nothing. I'm gonna figure it out. So, you know, just keeping those dynamics in mind, you know, again, we were very structured. When I was about four, we had moved from the inner city and moved to the south side of Kansas City in the Ruskin Heights district. So in that time, back in the 80s, during that time, if you moved to the south, you were kind of like you were kind of moving on up, you know, you were moving to a different location and you were basically looked at as if you were doing well. So we moved over off of Longview and Food Lane, and it was a peaceful neighborhood then. We lived in a very small house. It wasn't the best house, but it was in a better neighborhood, better school district, better opportunities, better location. And it was only like a thousand square foot house, three bedrooms, one bathroom with a garage, but it had a big backyard, which my dad wanted that. And we were the only black people in the neighborhood. Everybody around us, all of our neighbors, everybody was white.

SPEAKER_04 6:25

So what's y'all the huh? Was y'all the poor of the neighborhood still? Because you was out. Y'all may have been better than the people, not better, but doing a little better than the people in the inner city. But yeah, out there, you were a little.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

I can't say that we were considered the poor people. We might have been looked down on because we were black as the poor people, but my mom and dad weren't doing bad. You know, my mom was a nurse, dad was, he hustled, he did his thing. So we weren't in a um, we weren't in a poor status. But yeah, that's what I was asking.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

Was they looking at y'all like that?

SPEAKER_01 7:01

The neighbors probably looked at us like, oh, look at these Negroes that moved into this neighborhood, you know, get a little bit of money. And they they probably still looked at us as poor.

SPEAKER_05 7:11

Oh, God.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

Um, so moving into that house, it was a come up for us. My dad was very happy about it. He had more access to a lot of things. But the strange thing about this house, and this is kind of where a lot of things erupted in my current journey in life, there was just some some off stuff. The very first day that we moved into this house, all of us in this station wagon, my mom was pregnant at the time. It wasn't eight of us, it was six of us living, and my mom was pregnant with my uh sister Monique. And the very first day that we got to the house, my dad drives up in the station wagon. You know, those station wagons back in the day, they um kind of had that, those seats that slide all the way across so that you had all that room, and then in the front seat, it slid all the way across, so you didn't have that divider in the middle, like the armrest, it was all seat. And then the windshield wipers did like this. It was the old school model. So we were all crammed into that car. I was sitting in the front, we get out. My dad and his his cousin, they're putting stuff in the garage. They got the door open, and there's this gravel driveway because I'll never forget this gravel driveway because I used to pick up the rocks and I would throw them at the fence and at the house. And we're making our way into the garage. And as soon as you get into the garage, there's this little hole that you can see straight through to the backyard. So I'm taking the rocks, I'm throwing them through the hole. I'm four and a half years old, almost five. I turned five that May because we moved in towards the beginning of the year. So I'm going on my little adventure. And I'm in this garage and I stick my hand, because I'm taking rocks and tossing them through the back side of the house. I stick my hand through this hole, and I had this electric shock come through my arm. So I run and I run towards the front of the garage and I bump into my dad, and my dad is standing there like, you know, what are you doing? You need to be grabbing some stuff. I'm four and a half, but again, my dad is just everybody is able-body, you know. No, you can walk, your legs work, your hands is operational, your wings ain't broken. You can help pet unpack. That's the kind of father that I was dealing with. So I go back towards the truck because I'm like, something is just not right. I almost got electrocuted. So I turn back around because I grabbed my little tonker truck. I had this, I was a tomboy back then. I had this little yellow tonker truck, and I grabbed my tonker truck because I felt like I couldn't go back in this garage without having something in my hand because I'm gonna get my butt with if my dad sees me stop, grab my tonker truck. And um, I'm heading back towards the garage, and all I see is my dad stopped. And I'm looking at him, and I'm looking into the garage, and I'm like, well, maybe, maybe something of what happened, whatever happened to me, maybe something is connecting with him, or maybe he got shocked too. So he stops and looks, and then he puts down this box and he walks into the garage and he's doing like this, like he's fanning something away. So my mom gets out and she's looking at him like, everything okay? And again, my mom sent out sound. She spoke so soft.

SPEAKER_06 10:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

And she's like, Are you is everything okay? He was like, uh, none. I thought I saw something. So, okay. So I was like, Okay, you know, I'm observing at this time. I'm not saying anything. We can't speak or say anything. I can't go to my dad and be like, Did you see anything, dad? You know, we couldn't have those conversations because its authority was so strong. So um he continues packing stuff in the garage. He comes back out the garage, and he comes, he continues packing stuff in the garage. When you go into the garage, there's a door that leads to the kitchen of the house, and then it leads to the other areas of the house. So everything's small, it's all on one flat, it's all connected. And so he goes in, lays some stuff down. I'm still out there by the front part of the garage, and my dad turns around, and I never forget the look on his face. He looks at the back of the garage and it has get out, monsters and wall. And it was almost like it had just appeared because we didn't see it, or maybe we didn't realize it was there as we were moving and shifting, but it was in big red letters. So my dad looks and he runs back into the kitchen area, goes through that door, runs back into that kitchen, and he gets on the phone. So I'm trying to be sneaky because I want to know what's going on. I just got electrocuted. I want to know what's happening. So he goes into the kitchen, he's on this little pink phone. Back then they had the phones, the house phones with the long cord. So he's on one of these house phones. And I believe he was calling like the property manager because we were renting the house. So he's calling the property manager and he's like, What's this shit on the wall? And I could kind of hear the person on the other phone like saying, you know, what is what are you talking about? And he's like, There's some shit on the wall that says, get out, monsters in wall. Who's been in the house? So he's asking who's been in the house, and the property managers are like, No, the only person that has the key to the house is you, and then I have a copy of the key, but nobody else has been in the house. He was like, Well, I came the other day because my dad had been moving stuff before he brought all of us. Him and my him and his cousin have been bringing stuff. So he was in the house, didn't see that before, and now he's like, What the fuck? So at this point, he's thinking somebody broke in and put graffiti on the wall and vandalized the home. So he takes a garden hose and he takes some soap and water and he starts washing it down. It does come down very easily. And then um, after that, we keep moving stuff in the house. So I'm still in the kitchen because I've been stuck in there and I'm hiding under this table. And my dad had taken pictures of, he took pictures of the get out monsters and wall before he cleaned it off. Let me backtrack a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 13:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

And then back then, you know, there was Polaroid cameras. My dad had the instant Polaroid camera where it snaps and it flashes, and then it gets that instant. So as he's taking these pictures, he's taking the developed ones and he's putting them on the table. You know, he had like five or six of them on the table because he wants to show the property manager what he saw before he cleaned everything up. So while he's in the garage and they're finalizing, getting everything in, I'm looking at these pictures. So I'm going, I'm under the table, grabbing the pictures. Um like this. Excuse me. I'm grabbing the photos at this point. I want to see what's on these pictures. And I'm looking at the pictures, and as they're developing, there's this dark shadow, this tall dark shadow in the photos. So I'm thinking maybe that my dad wasn't holding the camera steady because you really had to be steady with those cameras back then. If you weren't, then it could blur it a little bit, and it looked like it's something else in the photo that's not there. So I'm looking, and then I put one back and I grab another one, and I'm looking at these developed photos, and there's this giant dark shadow that has a silhouette of like a human, but it's so tall. There's it's like, okay, it's bigger than my daddy. There's no way that this could be a human. This has got to be like maybe a shadow, like a maybe a reflection of a shadow from one of us or something like that. And it's reflected in the garage. But it's in the middle of the afternoon, and you know, garages are kind of dark on the interior a little bit, and it had a little bit of light coming, but the light was hitting the bottom. So you got this dark shadow that's kind of towards the ceiling, and it looks like a human shape, but it's kind of just like dark. So every single one that I pull back and I looked at, it was getting closer and closer to where my dad was taking the photo. So I put the developed ones back on the table. My dad comes into the bed to the kitchen. He grabs the developed ones and he's looking at them and he's showing them to my mom. And then my mom's looking at it, and I can hear her say, What is that? And then my dad's looking at it, he don't say anything. Because he's just, he knows something is wrong. He knows something ain't right, but he never says anything. So he's looking, my mom's doing all the talking. Norman, what is this? That's my dad's name. Norman, what is that? And it looks like it's moving. Because in each one, it looks like it's getting closer. So if you was to flip through it, so if you was to flip through it like that, you would see it actually getting closer to you. So my dad gets back on the phone, calls the property manager, and he's like, Who was in my house? There's somebody that came in my house, and I'm not paying rent if I know you're gonna have people in and out of this house. That was his logic on what he saw. At least that's what he portrayed that that's what it was. So as the days went on, you know, we got through that little interesting moment and encounter with the very first day we moved in. Two, three days later, and every every day it was something new. It was something different. So it wasn't like we just got a chance to rest. It was something that was happening every day. Maybe it happened to me and I was able to see it, or maybe it happened to one of the other siblings, but they never spoke about it. But there was some kind of activity every day. So two or three days later, I'm in the kitchen with my mother. My mother, again, we had a very structured, organized household. So my mom was loading stuff into the kitchen. I'm helping her. Um, you know, able body, able arms. We gotta help no matter how old we are. So we're putting stuff in the kitchen. And I'm putting stuff in the refrigerator. My mom's kind of putting dishes away. She's very strategic and organized. And we hear what sounds like a car go through the entire no, let me back up a little bit. My baby brother, uh Norman, was crying. He was born, he was still in the playpen, he was small. He starts crying. So my mom's like, come on, come to the back with me. We're gonna check on your brother. So we go to the back and we're in there maybe 15 seconds, 20 seconds. We weren't back, we weren't there very long. And we hear what sounds like a train or a car go through the house. The whole house shook. It was, it just shook. So my mom runs out, she grabs my brother, my other siblings, they're kind of outside playing in the yard. There's a couple, my brother, my brother William and Bobby were in the backyard. Missy and Shelly, they were in the front yard. Melanie was in the room with uh Norman, so he she was in there with us. So my mom grabs us and we go back into the living room. The living room and the kitchen are right across from each other. Everything is very small, very, very small. And we go into the kitchen, everything that we put away is on the floor. Everything in the refrigerator is on the floor. Everything in the cabinets, the dishes broken, everything is everywhere. There is, we weren't gone that long. So, for that immense amount of destruction to happen in that small fragment of time, it would have taken so many people to have run in there and disturbed everything and tossed it all over. That's how bad it was. So um my mom is looking like, okay, what the fuck happened? And then she's looking for my siblings because during that time, again, we were very structured, so there's no way that we would do anything like that because we feared my father's wrath more than anything. So my brother, she looks out the window, and there's a window that led to the backyard. My brothers are back there playing. My two older sisters, they're in the front. Melanie's with me. Norman's in the he's a baby, my mom is pregnant. So she's looking around like, what? What the fuck? And she doesn't say anything. She knows something is weird, but she starts cleaning it up. She wants to get it done before my dad gets home and sees the mess. So we're in the process of cleaning this mess up. Dish is broken, everything is everywhere. My dad pulls up. So she's like, shit. So he comes in the house and in the midst of us cleaning up, he sees everything all over the place. It's like, what the fuck happened? What who did this? And then my mom's like, it's okay. I, you know, we're just cleaning it up. She's she's he's like, Who did this? And my mom's like, I don't know. I went to go get my get Norman, uh, uh, my youngest brother. And then we came back and it just it we heard a loud noise. She kept telling him about this loud noise. He was like, No, William did it, didn't he? Back then we would call my brother Wolf because he uh had this orange hair and he just looked like a teen wolf. So we called him Wolf back then. She was like, Wolf did it, didn't he?

SPEAKER_04 20:10

And my mom was naturally orange?

SPEAKER_01 20:12

It was like a like a sandy brown look. Okay. So we called him whoop. And he's like, he was like, Wolf did it, didn't he? And my mom was like, No, he's in the backyard with Bobby. They've been in the backyard this whole time, and she was trying to explain to him how fast everything happened. Like we were in there cleaning things up, putting everything away. We go in there and then we hear this loud boom. She's trying to explain it to him, but he's just so dismissive of her explanation. It pissed me off because I'm like, I'm trying to make sense of it. My mom is trying to make sense of it. Now we got my dad just antagonizing the whole situation and making us feel like we're nuts. So my mom eventually just gave up trying to explain it. And my dad goes to the backyard, he grabs my brothers and beats them. He beats them. And you know, it's so sad seeing your siblings get disciplined because again, my dad's discipline wasn't just you know, basic discipline. He beats you till you change colors. So seeing them get whooped for something that we know they didn't do, and it was like my mom, she just she had to go with his authority. So they they get set in a room, and uh, you know, I didn't really have a voice to say anything. You know, I I wanted to so bad. I'm so young, but I'm seeing everything that's happening. And it's like I want to explain something, but I know I couldn't. We didn't have a voice to say anything.

SPEAKER_05 21:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

So my brothers got beat. We all came in the house, settled in, you know, went about their next routine. We all had to come in. All of us had to come in the house, clean up the mess. My mom's eight, she was about, no, she was about eight, almost eight months pregnant then. So she's big. So we're all in there cleaning everything up. My brothers are crying. They all got wilts all over them because my dad had a really thick leather belt and he just beat them with it. And you know, and I'm looking at my brothers, I was like, I know you didn't do it. And my brother's like, shut up. Because he didn't want my dad to hear me say that. So I was like, okay. I know you didn't do it though. So that was one another encounter. Again, stuff kept happening.

SPEAKER_06 22:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

So we we had another incident that took place. And this is like, I know my dad knows. Maybe this incident is gonna be the icebreaker. Maybe he's gonna believe us now. Because there was so much stuff that happened. I could tell you all day the incidents that occurred.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

With this last incident, did you already at your I know you was only four, but you seem a little advanced at four to even be grabbing the pictures and seeing what's going on. Seeing how this shadow is getting, this figure is getting closer to your dad. So with that in mind, when your dad's coming home and y'all in a hurry to clean up and stuff, did you already kind of know he wasn't gonna, there was no way he was gonna believe y'all?

SPEAKER_01 23:08

I I knew he wasn't gonna believe us or he was gonna force himself to not believe us. Because he wanted to, he wanted to keep the rain in our house and he wanted to assert the control and the dominance. So if something is disturbing his kingdom, then he's gonna figure out what it is. He's gonna give an explanation to it. We couldn't give an explanation to it. So um, so after that, I was like, and and to kind of go back a little bit on how observant I was, I was extremely observant. My again, my daddy was so disciplined, he forced us to watch those VHS tapes that teach you how to read um at young ages. Uh, it taught us how to speed read. So I knew how I know how to speed read. I knew how to speed read at a young age. It taught us colors, shape sizes. We were groomed early on. So when we went to elementary school, we already knew colors and shapes and word associations because we knew it, you know, from having to be disciplined in it at an early age. But yeah, so seeing that stuff, it was like, okay, something right.

SPEAKER_04 24:12

And you know he had to be on y'all because usually kids who are that advanced when they're in school, I'm not paying nothing because this this I ain't paying attention to this. I'm way beyond this. Like, yeah, but he had to be on y'all for y'all to stay focused in school, for y'all not to be going in there like, uh teach what you on.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were so disciplined. We didn't, we didn't fuck up at school. Yeah, it was not a it's not an option. Like I said, bringing home a B, you got your ass beat.

SPEAKER_04 24:46

We got it for C. B's is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

B's. He he demanded, he demanded perfection out of us. He kind of reminds me of Joe Jackson.

SPEAKER_04 24:54

Yeah, I was thinking that when he was.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

He kind of reminds me of Joe Jackson. He was very, very, very disciplined. He he said, You bring home an A minus, I question you. But a B, that means you're not applying yourself, you're not paying attention, and you're off. And that means you need to be reverted back to focusing. So B's, yeah. So we were straight A students.

SPEAKER_04 25:14

Another thing while we're here, because you're about to get into another story, but I I heard, I think I heard you say a little earlier, your brothers was playing in the front or something like that. Or yeah, so he did allow y'all to or did y'all only get to have fun when he's at home and mamas?

SPEAKER_01 25:31

No, we we were very active outdoors. He did like us being outside. Okay. So he wasn't, we we weren't allowed to not play and be kids and be creative. He did harness that in our household. We just couldn't challenge his authority and his boundaries.

SPEAKER_06 25:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

But yeah, the boys, they were outside, girls outside. We couldn't leave the yard. Um, any this is how bad it was. He pre-screened our friends. We could not, we didn't listen to rap music. We weren't allowed to listen to any RB. We didn't listen to rap music. We listened to classical music, we listened to country, we listened to classical rock. We didn't listen to anything outside of that. I didn't know what our imagine going to school in the inner city to Blenheim Elementary over at off Gregory and then being judged because I spoke very proper. And they used to tell me I spoke like a white girl. Yeah. And I didn't know what that, I didn't know the distinguishment between colors. We weren't taught, we weren't taught racism. We weren't taught that we were less than, we weren't taught that your color is less than this. You know, we didn't, we he didn't distinguish, but and that I can actually be grateful for. Yeah, that's power. Because we didn't know what racism was. Um, and I think it's very I and it's it's very powerful. And I implemented that in what my kids grew up.

SPEAKER_04 26:55

I think it's powerful to not be made less than, but I think we gotta have knowledge of what we're going out into the world and to we we need to be conscious of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

But I also believe as children, we are so we're so we absorb so many different things. So to penetrate their innocent minds with negativity at a young age is making them create these perceptions of life and distinction of what's good, what's not good, what's more favorable, what's not more favorable. The white person is more favorable, favorable than I. And I didn't create those distinction distinctions with my children, and my father didn't do it with us. He never made us feel like we weren't as great as our counterpart. Yeah, and I think that's important for children that are young, but as they get older, you have to educate them on what they could potentially expect because of your color.

SPEAKER_04 27:49

You think like once you're about to get into your teenage years, maybe towards right when you're in the middle school, right when you're anchoring yourself out, anchoring yourself out of elementary school, because that's a little turning point, a social turning point, then that's when you need to start having those conversations because you're gonna start feeling it.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

But at a teen as a teen toddler, no.

SPEAKER_05 28:12

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Um, so I do I do appreciate that because we we hung out with white people in our neighborhood. We weren't allowed to hang out with anything that he felt was toxic or unhealthy. So he pre-screened all of our friends. We had some white friends in the neighborhood, and you know, we didn't see color.

SPEAKER_04 28:32

What does a pre-screen look like though?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

He says, Okay, so if the child knew anything about rap music, if you if you came around and you quote him, you know, rap music from from several different artists, nah, he ain't your friend.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

So he'll say like something like, What's who's your favorite rapper? Or something, and if they even got a rapper, you out of there. You're excluded. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

So but yeah, he pre-screened, he would talk to the kids and you know, let me meet your parents. We had to go, my mom and dad would go meet their parents. He pre-screened everybody before we were allowed to play with them. Um, which was good and bad. It was like, let us be create, let us enjoy, let us connect, let us socialize. But yeah, but yeah, that that was the dynamic that we are unfortunately were raised in. Fortunately, unfortunate. But yeah, in this house, this this it was so many turning points, and it it this was an opportunity for me to really see my father in a different aspect, and to also see my mother in a different aspect because I saw her strengthen in some areas to protect her children and go against the rein of his authority to protect us. So there was um there was an incident that occurred, and I just knew we just knew that he was gonna, you know, he was gonna come around.

SPEAKER_04 29:57

Come around this time.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

So we it's in the middle of the afternoon, my mom's off work, we're sitting in the kitchen, we're sitting in the room. Huh? You still four? I'm I'm five at this time. Five at this time. I'm I'm five. Let me back up some. So we're so it's so many of us, and all of our birthdays are in June and May, Geminis and Cancers. So instead of having one birthday per person, we had all of our birthdays together. So at that time, I had just turned five, and we all were celebrating. Um, matter of fact, it was this day. We were all celebrating, and my dad had gone and bought candles, and he still had different celebratory type things that he did with us. He wasn't a no cake, no, no entertainment type man. Cake, cake, and candles, everybody's gonna have everything on there for each one of us. So he would go in the background, backyard, he would grill. Um, he was big on grilling hot dogs. And when he when he came around other people, you would just think he was the most charming person. He had such a charm about him. He was handsome, he had brown eyes, he just had this charming way about him. And he was very respectful and eloquent when talking to other people. When he got back in the house, it wasn't like he was a villain in our household, but it was don't cross daddy, you know. But when he talked to other people and the neighbors would come over and he would grill, he just was, he had this light about him that we didn't get to see that often.

SPEAKER_06 31:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

So, but this day we were all celebrating our birthdays. And we were in the living room. We had a small living room, so we were all sitting down. My mom had hot dogs, um, potato chips, and we were sitting in on newspaper because we, you know, it was so many of us. So she put down newspaper, plastic plates, and paper cups, and we're eating off of it, right? So we're all sitting in this large circle, and all of a sudden, we hear this rumble through the house. And just to give you an idea of this, this particular energy that was in the home, we used to call it it. We would know when it was coming, we would know what it looks like, we would know what it smells like. There would be this very grotesque smell. It almost smelled like um raw, spoiled meat. It was it was a horrible smell. So when we we smelt that and we felt we heard the growling, we knew it was there. So, and then the house shook. So we're all looking at each other and we hold each other's hands because it's coming. And all of a sudden, my brother Bobby, who is a year older than me, his name is actually Robert, he levitates in the air in the middle of the day and gets tossed across the room. My father's standing right there, my mother's right there. We're holding hands. He gets ripped out of our hands and lifted in the air and tossed across the room. So my mom is like, Norman, I told you, I know you saw that. You saw that, right? And she's like, You saw that. So we're holding each other because we don't know who's gonna get levitated next. And my dad is like, you can tell by the look on his face, he saw it and he was nervous, but he never expressed it. And he blames it on my brother William. He blames it on Wolf. Why you push your brother? Yeah, and you said he levitated, levitated and went and went flying in the air, levitated, ripped out of our arms because we were holding on to each other, levitated in the air and flew across the room. And we're like, we know you saw that. We know you saw that, but you're just gonna pretend like this didn't happen. Okay. Then he blames it on my brother Wolf. He's like, Wolf, why'd you push your brother? Stop pushing your brother. My brother, my other brother, Bobby, is all the way on the other side of the room crying, crying.

SPEAKER_04 34:04

So he blamed William, then blame Wolf.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

For my brother Bobby being all the way on the other side of the room. So William's like, I didn't do it. He's like, I didn't do it. And then my mom is like, he didn't do it. He didn't. He's he didn't. I'm we were standing right here. My brother got a whooping. So there was so much that went on in that house to the point where there's so many stories, there's so many incidents. I got um, I ended up uh having an encounter that was so bad, it put me in the hospital. And this day, it was in the afternoon, we were home, we had those floor model box style TVs, and back then they had those little knobs, and you had to put the antenna on top of them. So we have to move it just right so that way you could get the right signal. So back then I was addicted to Alvin and the Chipmunks. So it was Saturday afternoon, all the cartoons were on, and I could see Alvin and the Chipmunks kind of going through the little static on the TV. So I'm up there, like, uh, and then I'm on the top one because in the girls' bedroom, it was the boys' bedroom, my mom's bedroom, and then the girls' bedroom, and we all had both beds in our room. So um, me and my younger sister slept on the top, and the the older sisters were on the bottom, so I'm at the top. And in the bedroom, there's a window, and the window is kind of split a little bit because it's a little bit lower to the ground. So we got like the top half of the window. So I'm up there ready to watch my cartoon, and all of a sudden, I it I can smell it, it's coming. There's this cool breeze, and it is so cold to where your hair stands up. It's such a cool breeze. And I knew it was there, and I said, okay, maybe if I pretend like I'm not here, maybe, maybe if I pretend like it's not, I'm not acknowledging it, maybe it'll go away. So I just kind of sat there still and I sung the song, Alvin and the Chipmunks, where the chipmunks, and pretended like I didn't know it was there. So I heard the growling, I'm facing the TV, I can hear the growling to my left. I pretended, I still kept singing the song because I was like, maybe if I keep pretending, it won't know. And I can sneak down the stairs and go over there with my siblings so that way I can get to safety. And I'm trying to get down the little stairs on the bunk bed, and it pushes me and it pushes me and it launches me. The doorway was kind of cat a corner, so it launches me into the door. I hit my head on the corner and I slam and fall, and I hit my head on the tonker truck. So my sister, remember, I told you you have to adjust the antenna a little bit. So my sister had just adjusted the antenna, but she was standing in the doorway the whole time. Fear.

SPEAKER_04 37:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Fear on her face. I I flew, I hit the door, I fell in the tonker truck, blood is coming down my face. I could taste blood, it was in my eyes. My sister runs and grabs my mom and dad, and they come into the room. And my dad had just kind of paced back and forth. So he saw my sister when she was coming out of the room. So she he had kind of assumed that she was in there with me. So, and she was for a smidget just to kind of adjust the TV. So he had seen her come through the room. So when she went and grabbed them, he automatically thought that she had something to do with my injury. And I had blood all over my face. I have a scar. It's not as visible because I've had to get surgeries over the years, but I have a scar that required eight inches, and I have blood everywhere. They took me to the hospital and they end up stitching me up, bringing me back to the house. And my mom and dad are in the room arguing. And at this point, she's like, Something's not right. And she's so soft-spoken. See, she I never heard her yell ever. She's so soft-spoken. So she's telling him, Something's not right. And he gets up, grabs his belt, and goes and beats my sister. And I can hear him beating her. And I'm mumbling. I'm like, you know, I got I got all kinds of stuff wrapped around my face because I had guys and I had this mass thing they put all around me and this thing all around my head. So I'm trying to mumble. It wasn't Michelle. And I'm telling my mom, Mama, it wasn't Michelle. It wasn't Michelle. Excuse me. And she, I could just hear her getting beat for something she didn't do. So I'm, you know, I'm in my mom and dad's room. My dad eventually puts me in the book bed back into the room. I'm screaming because I'm like, I don't want to go back in there. I don't want to go back in there. And my mom's like, just leave her in here. She she's she just got back from the hospital. Can she sleep with us? He's like, no. He puts me back in there, puts me in a top bumpy with my sisters. So me and my younger sister, we're at the top. We are a year apart. We're kind of all stair steppers. My mom and dad had us one year after the next. And we're at the top. My younger sister, she's crying. And I grab her and I hold her. I just got home from the hospital, but I know she's scared or something's scared. So I'm holding her. My younger, my older sisters are at the bottom. And during the same time, just about every single night, there was this growling on the outside of the house. It was almost like it was emanating in the walls. We would hear it in the walls every single night. And it would say, get out and growl. And it was so, it was so, so intense. And I'm like, how do you, how do you keep us here with all of this going on? How do you keep us here? We had our dreams were so bad. It was starting to affect our dreams. Um, it was almost like, you know, deja vu. We would have that constantly. We would have these terrifying, terrifying dreams. Every single night in the garage, my dad had to put the garage door down because every single night it would come up halfway. We already knew what it was. He would blame us. Stop putting the fucking garage up. We didn't know how to do none of that. We were so little. Yeah, we didn't know how to pull up a garage, but he would blame us. Then he putting up the garage. We didn't, we didn't, we didn't do it. The red writing that he he washed down in the beginning, he kept washing it. He probably washed it down maybe five more times. It kept coming back. It just he just kept it up there. He was never, he tried painting over it, it kept coming back. So he just gave up. The part that became a turning point, well, it was another issue, was when we I wasn't in school at the time, even though I was advanced. My mom and dad didn't want me to start school until the younger ones started school. So if they wanted us all to be in the same grade. So even though I was a couple years older than them, they wanted us all to start school together.

SPEAKER_06 41:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

So we were not in school. So, you know, I've already turned five, I'm getting ready to turn six. I need to be in somebody's elementary school. So my younger sister, um, my older sisters, Michelle and Missy, they were in school, and my brother William was in school. And when they would go to school, they started having injuries on them, scratches, bruises, warps. And at this point, we don't know if it's from my dad or from the encounters.

SPEAKER_05 41:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

Um, but they had uh scratches all on their neck, they would have bruises all over them. So, what happens in a district when their children are coming to school like that? DFS gets involved. So DFS called the house, talked to my mom, and said, you know, we got reports from some of the teachers that the children have injuries on them. And by law, we're required to investigate it. So we had my dad brought us all into the living room and said, These people are gonna come to the house. Yeah, don't say shit about what you've experienced. He never said what we experienced, but he said, Don't talk about it. Don't tell them anything about y'all getting whoopings, don't tell them anything about what you guys have experienced. I want you guys to say everything is fine and we're happy. So, okay, daddy spoke. What do you do? We gotta go with the flow. We got a lot of these people. So all these people were coming in the house. They came two months straight. Somebody came in the house, except on the weekends, every single day. And they would come during the certain times after school, they would come and sit and just observe the dynamic. And you know, they would sit for like maybe 30 minutes and observe the dynamic, and we would pretend that we didn't see shadows. We would pretend like there wasn't a dark shadow standing behind the caseworker. Excuse me, and we would have to pretend like we didn't see it. Even when we were experiencing stuff in the rooms when caseworkers were in there talking to my parents, we would have to put on this front. And it was so hard not to cry when we were in the bedroom and I was playing with some Legos, and all of a sudden I got drugged from the bunk bed all the way into the closet and the door slammed. So I'm in there crying because I'm trying to get out and I'm banging on the door, and then the case worker, I can hear the caseworker in the living room like, what is that noise? My dad's like, Oh, they're just playing. And they're very, very active. They're playing. And then he comes back there and he's like, What are y'all doing? You know, he's like, settle down. Then he opens the door, he grabs me and tosses me across. And then my older sister, Melissa, was like, something grabbed her and drug her in the closet. She's trying to solve because she didn't want them to hear her. And he was like, Yeah, better, um, he was like, Yeah, better settle down. And then, you know, at this point, it's like it's getting crazy. How long are we supposed to go through this? This is this is crazy. So eventually they closed the case, and you know, we got back to our normal routine. Fear, and and and basically it was just fear. We couldn't have fun because we were too afraid to. The little jacks ball. My older sister, Misty, she was phenomenal at that game. And I used to think she'd have some kind of sorcery because she was so good at it. And one time we were playing hide and go seek, and in the kitchen, I was the person that was seeking. Everybody else was hiding. Melissa wouldn't, she didn't want to play with us because we were younger. She was, she's about nine years older. So she didn't want to play with us rents. So she's in there playing jacks. And I'm done counting. I'm getting ready to go find my siblings. And I turn around because I heard her stop bouncing the ball, which was weird, because she usually goes for like 30 minutes or an hour. She'll keep doing that. She'll just keep going. She'll start over, she'll catch them all and keep going. So I heard the ball stop. So I turn around. She has, and she's got big eyes too. She has this book on her face of fear. And then I look over to her left, my right, and the jacks and the ball are spinning in the air. She takes off running. Then the jacks and the ball just kind of drop down and disperse on the floor. Then I took off running. Cause at this point, it's like, okay, these they're getting more and more aggressive. So as some of the time went on, um my my siblings and I still kept getting injuries. So one of the teachers, which was my sister Missy's teacher, she was like, something is strange. So she called DFS again because my sister came to school and she had this long scratch on her arm. So they contact DFS again. And DFS comes back out and they're like, we got to reopen the investigation because she's got a scratch on her arm. And she told the teacher that it did it. But she never said what it was, you know, this demonic creature. She didn't go into detail, but she told the teacher it did it. And then the teacher's like, what is it? And then she was like, the theme, it. So they reopened the case. And at this point, my mom's like, I can't do this anymore. I can't do it. So, and this is where I saw my mom have the most courage. She had just had my sister Missy. Um, she had just had my sister Monique. And it was about 2:30 in the morning. And my mom, she quietly goes to all of our rooms and she's like, get up, get dressed, put your clothes on. And I said, Mom, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_02 47:25

She's like, just get up, get dressed, and go straight to the front door.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

And she's whispering, get up, get dressed, go straight to the front door, but don't say anything. So I'm like, you know, where's daddy? And she's like, just go. So we're all getting up, getting dressed, not really even getting dressed. She just wanted us to go. So we went, we got our pajamas. I didn't have any shoes on. I didn't she, I'm like, where's my shoes? She's like, just go. So we're all by the front door. And my mom, this is what she told my dad. If you're coming with this, you can come. If you're not, you stay here. So he looked at her according to what she said, and he rolled back over and went to sleep. I had never seen my mom drive. Ever. Never seen her drive. She gets in the car in the station wagon, and she's got the baby in the car seat, all of us in the back, and then on the uh additional seat, the boys in the hatch. And we left the house without my father. We didn't take anything, no clothes. We all of our photos and pictures and childhood memories, everything stayed in the house. And my mom left, and I remember us pulling up to my Aunt Joyce's house, and they're whispering, and they're like, come on, come on. You know, like we got to hurry up before the big bad wolf knows that, you know, we made this move. And we go to our Aunt Joyce's house and we stay there. My dad finds out where we are, and you know, at this point, my Aunt Joyce hated my father. So they always argued. It was very the same. I could hear the few days that passed, my my aunt and my dad came to my aunt's house, and they're arguing. And there she's like, You're not taking the kids. You Connie's not going back to that house. I'm not gonna do it over my dead body. They're not going back to that house. And then that was the time that we left. We never went back. We ended up moving. Now my dad eventually came back to the family and we found a new house, but we never went back and we never took anything with us. It was crazy. It was crazy. And being in that house and and being silenced the way that we were, it was it was traumatizing. The part that was even more traumatizing is the fact that we didn't know who to tell. Who could we talk about? Who could we we still we still felt like we couldn't speak on it even until adulthood? We still felt like we couldn't have this conversation. When my father passed away, it was the best part of my life because we were sworn to secrecy. He passed away in 2016, and when he passed away, I felt the oxygen come back in my body. Like, okay, I can breathe on my own, I can say what I want, I can think what I want. I'm a grown woman, I have children of my own. I should be able to say whatever I want. Not psychologically thinking that my dad would find out. And my dad was in a nursing home. It was nothing he could do.

SPEAKER_06 50:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

But the the fear that he had instilled in us in such a young age and through our teenage life, it was it was a fear that you just didn't challenge. So I didn't start feeling like I had oxygen in my own body to make my own decisions and to think for myself or to say what I wanted until he died. And when he died, I went to my family and I was like, all right, let's get the funeral over with. It was a sad, you know, homegoing. But now let's talk. So very, I don't want to say he was lukewarm in the ground very long when I went to my family and I was like, all right, how do y'all feel about talking about what happened to us when we were kids? And then everybody started saying, So you remember? I said, yes. I almost thought that I was imagining that. Like I created these scenarios in my mind, and maybe it was a dream that I had. I always I almost convinced myself as an adult that none of that happened.

SPEAKER_04 51:39

So even growing up, y'all wasn't talking to each other about this stuff that was going on?

SPEAKER_01 51:45

No. We we just let it go, kinda. We never brought it back up.

SPEAKER_04 51:52

Right after it happened, never mind.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

We never brought it back up. Just go to school when just operated according to his authority.

unknown 52:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

And when we all got back together after his death, he wasn't even a little warm in the ground very long. We were like, so did it happen to you? And we all corroborated the events and the stories. And I went, we we had to talk amongst each other first. Then we went to my mother.

SPEAKER_05 52:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:21

Then we went to my mom, and my mom was like, Yes, it happened. This happened to you. This is why you got this scar. I remember this. This is what happened to Bobby. I remember it all. You guys aren't making this up. It really happened to us. And again, we were a large family and a little house. So for this amount of people to be able to corroborate these events, it made me feel great. Because I was like, no, I wasn't imagining this. I wasn't, this wasn't make-believe. This wasn't something I dreamt. So I started to go on a journey of truth. I wanted to find out what was going on in the house, why we went through everything we went through. And I started to investigate. Um, I went back to the house because I didn't remember the address. I remember the house. I didn't remember the address. My mom gave me the address, and then everything came back to me.

SPEAKER_04 53:16

How many years was y'all there before?

SPEAKER_01 53:19

We were oh, yeah, we were there a year and a half. We weren't there long. Okay. So yeah, after that, my mom took us out. She we were every day going through something.

SPEAKER_06 53:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

You see those movies like Poltergeist and Conjuring, those movies are inspired by real shit that have people have gone through. But the way that they make it seem and the way that they put it on the big screen is that it only goes and it happens to a certain demographic of people. And that's that's why I felt it was so important for my journey to say this shit happens to everybody.

SPEAKER_04 53:56

So so it's a few things that's kind of important for me to ask you before you go into my journey you are now. Before we get deep into that, like, first of all, how are you socially having to keep all that in as a kid? Like, were you awkward? Because you said you got kids too, so somebody had to mess with you.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

So yeah, socially, again, my dad's wrath was stronger than anything. Yeah, so we never spoke about it. I had a best friend, we were best friends since first grade. Yeah, and best still my best friend till this day. She did not know about any of that until a few years ago. Well, when I started doing my investigations back then and taking it serious, but she never knew. We we couldn't talk about it to anybody. I felt like my dad was everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 54:46

So I'm asking you, like, was it was it making you awkward, period, as far as like just having a life outside of what was going on? Like, could you talk to people, period, about it?

SPEAKER_01 54:59

I could still speak to people. It wasn't, we were trained to put on this face.

SPEAKER_04 55:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:05

So I was so used to putting on that poker face, you would never know what I went through. Internally, it was difficult for me because I felt like I wanted to tell somebody. I wanted to be able to relate to somebody. Maybe somebody else was able to, maybe somebody could provide an explanation for me about what I went through. Or maybe, you know, just having somebody to listen and say, I believe you. I didn't do it. It was an internalization that I kept.

SPEAKER_04 55:33

So, did it make it hard for you to understand the part of your the other people because of what you were going through, going through, like if kids say, Oh, I couldn't have ice cream, I got in trouble, or something like that. I don't know. Make it hard for you to relate to the little stuff we would complain about.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

It did. Yeah, it did because I have this mentality uh now is no excuses. We were not made to allow to make excuses. You couldn't say the word can't. It was not a part of our vocabulary. So when I hear people complain about little shit, I just be like, suck that shit up. That ain't nothing. You know, I have this mentality, and I've had to be a little bit more softer because I've I've been trained to believe whatever you're going through ain't that bad. Suck this shit up, keep it going. Because that ain't nothing. You know, kids would complain about little stuff. I didn't get the new pair of Jordans. Jordans, what we we never had Jordans. We have, we had, we looked nice, we were dressed nice, but we were not labeled children. So the little stuff, you know, it it just it was hard to understand how a kid did not get an A. How did you not get an A? What's wrong with you? Are you slow? Did you not study? You know, I would I I would I I would have that mentality towards other kids. Like, you gotta be stupid, or maybe your mom and daddy doesn't care. So it made you a bit judgmental. It made me extremely judgmental. Because at this point, it's like there's no way you can't do it. You've you gotta be able to be successful. Success was embedded in my brain. So it made me very judgmental. Even in even in elementary school, I was the um, I was on principal's honor roll. I didn't understand how kids could not be, because if you did it the way that I I did it, you would have it. You would be a teacher's pet. You would be the the child that had all the stars, the one that was on, I think I was on Kansas City Five News for being the smartest kid in the district and having perfect attendance. And A A A. I was I was in um who's who. I was very, very academically like starred. But that was that was because of all of the control and discipline and the preconditioning that I had to go through. So yeah, it made it difficult. When I went to school, I was very meticulous. I I wanted to socialize with the kids and have fun, but it was work first. Teacher says, raise your hand, who knows the answer? I better know the answer. I knew the answer. Anybody besides Marie know the answer? Anybody? Anybody? I was that kid. So when work was done in that manner, oh, it's okay. You you you can give yourself permission to go have fun. It's okay to play hops, hopscotch. It's okay to play double dutch. It's okay. Give me give yourself permission. Daddy's not here. You can jump rope and be okay. And Daddy not say, Did you get your homework done? Did the teacher have any extra credit? Because if there was extra credit, we we it was mandatory for us to do it. We didn't get a choice. We had to do it. We had to go to extra. Um, they would my dad would try to get us to go to summer school or these additional programs just because. And the teachers would be like, well, they don't have to because they're so academically ahead of everybody else. I still want them to go. So it was mandatory. So we so we had childhood activities that we would do, but we had so many strategic responsibilities.

SPEAKER_04 59:07

It it seems like it would be very difficult for other kids to even like y'all. Just because, and I'm I'm just being honest, just because the way you're coming, and it's no fault of yours because it's what was put on you. The way you come off so judgy, it's like shit. I can't even make a mistake around her because your father starts to come out of you in a different way. He does. So it's like you're trained for that, but I'm not trained for that. Yeah. So yeah, what I'm going through does affect me in this way. And just because you're saying don't that's little, don't go through. I mean, go through it. Get the no excuse. Hey, you trained for that. You know, so I can imagine like it was very hard for kids to even want, even if they didn't verbalize, no, we don't want to play with you. You could probably see it on them.

SPEAKER_01 59:57

Yeah, we were competitive. We were trained to be competitive. Um, I was in jump rope for heart. I was the number one person in the district for jump rope. Like, I'm good at jump roping. My brothers were in the cobras. Y'all remember the cobras? They could backflip their ass off. They were the number one flippers. Like my dad was very, we're gonna be, he was Joe Jackson. We're gonna be the best in every single thing. We're gonna be the ones they always talk about. And so we were in activities, but we were exceptional at activities. So if I saw a kid that wasn't measuring up, you know, you can't be on my team. You can't be a part of my group. I need succeeders, I need, I need, I need people who are able to do it without saying I can't. I don't need crybabies. I call the kid a crybass. You're a crybaby. You gotta go over there. You can't play with us because you're a crybaby. I didn't tolerate crying because we weren't allowed to be emotional.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:55

So you're beating them the way you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

So I'm I'm I'm keeping that same mentality and I'm noticing it. Even as a child, when I'm getting older, I went to college, I went to high school. I had to unlearn a lot of things to fit in. When we were in elementary school, we spoke so proper, we were so eloquent, and we still have a little bit of eloquence to us. We've had to we've had to condition it away a little bit, but when you go to the school and you, yes, hi, my name is Mary Jackson. And I they're like, why do you talk white? And I'm like, what do you mean? Why do you why did I talk white? What do you mean? I I don't speak white. Yeah, you talk white. Why do you talk like that? And I didn't understand that I I couldn't relate to them not pronouncing their words all the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:46

I couldn't relate to that.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:47

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

What I had to get, they had to explain to me what certain things meant because I didn't even listen to rap music. So the expressions and things that they understood and the way that they could connect, I couldn't connect.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

So they call you bootsy, and you don't even know what boots is. I don't even know what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:09

What is that?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

Why did you what does she mean by that?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:15

So you don't even know you you're supposed to be offended right now. What's your talk?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

I didn't even know at times I was being insulted.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:21

Yeah, that's what I said.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:23

Because I didn't know the dialect. You got this proper spoken, very strategic-minded child that's trying to integrate with with other children, but I couldn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:34

I know dating you had to be rough.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

I I okay. As I got older, and I ended up actually having two kids at the age of 17. I got two girls. Um, I was telling him I went to my daughter's college graduation. She just graduated from Sam Houston University. She's an educator. And she was my oldest. She's 25, and then I have a 24-year-old. They're side, they're Irish twins, is what they call them. So I was on a mission of rebellion. I wanted to go against everything that I was taught because I questioned it all. My dad was so pissed when he found out because I was in, I was in collegiate. I had a 4.5. I was going to go to uh LA. I was going to go to UCLA to study cardiology, but then I had this phobia of blood. That's why I was, it was funny you said that shit. Because I started realizing that I have a phobia of human blood, not necessarily animal blood, but human blood. Oh my God. So I opted out of that. And then I ended up getting pregnant. And I had my first daughter, and then I ended up having my second daughter. My dad was so pissed. And I was so happy. I was so happy because I said I did something bad. And he has this whole idea that I'm going to be the number one in the family to go to college and have this collegiate. He, I was so happy to do something bad. And I ended up having my daughters, and my dad was pissed and kind of wrote me off. And I was like, I don't care. I ended up getting my first apartment when I was a little over 17. I had to forge my birth certificate so I could get my get the apartment because you had to be a certain age. So I lied and said I was a certain age, forged my birth certificate and all that. I was smart. I knew how to do that, manipulate that shit. So I ended up having uh my kids and then I brought my baby sister with me. She was living with me. I'm a teenager. I got kids. I'm living in this apartment by myself, paying bills. I went and got a job, and I just went against everything, and it felt so good. But dating wasn't difficult. And I didn't, I was told I was cute by boys, but I didn't know I was cute. And I didn't care that I was cute.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:52

So I it didn't register. So when boys would come up to me and say, You're so pretty, huh? Because we again, we didn't have that compassion in the household. We weren't told you look beautiful by our dad. You're beautiful little girl, you know. Yeah. It was go get dressed up and don't get dirty. So when boys would come and say that to me, it was registered like, ew, you know, stay away from me, you know. But they would think I was so cute, but I didn't see it. I didn't care. I didn't, I wasn't trained to see it. So as I got older, I started to, you know, get a little bit of a friend circle. And one girl, um, her name is Amanda, and she's my best friend since that timeline, since elementary. And she would, she came to me and she was like, You do know that you're cute, right? And I was like, What do you mean? You're pretty. We're pretty girls. And she was pretty, light skin, long hair. Back then in the 90s, you know, that was a thing. So I was like, Okay, you know, cool. What does a cute girl do? What is what are the operations? What do you what is the what is the cold of you know, ethic? But you know. And then as I got a little older, I started to realize oh, cuteness comes with benefits. So let me figure out how to use it. So, but I never really like just used it as my leverage in life. I never did that because I just wasn't that person. And I was very tomboyish. So I never wore dresses. I even when back then I never wore dresses. I always wore pants, little tights, never dresses. I didn't start wearing dresses until I was in my early 20s to be comfortable in a dress.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

Until I was in my early 20s. I didn't wear makeup. I didn't, I didn't wear lashes and makeup and lipsticks, and I didn't do none of that. Uh I was cute, but I didn't entertain any of that stuff. So as I got a little older, you know, I started come kind of coming into my femininity and okay, all right. It's okay to be soft in a girl. And, you know, I got daughters at this time. So I got to learn to be a different version of myself for them. So then I started developing this feminine mindset and feminine lifestyle, more of a softer discipline because I didn't want, I didn't want to have that strong arm discipline like my father. And I noticed when I was rearing my children at a young age, I was like that. And I was very, you know, don't bring home a bee. What's wrong with you? Were you sick that day? You had something going on? You know, it was very strategic. And my kids kind of adopted that. And then I had to change it because I was like, I'm, I feel like my dad, I don't want that. So I started to change and transition and start calming down a little bit. No more yelling. Um, and it wasn't even me yelling, it was just more of a look. Because the same look my daddy would give me, I give him that look. And it was an unspoken conversation that we would have. So I had to let them have a little bit of a voice because I had to realize what you went through was difficult. You didn't get to speak. You're not gonna take these kids' voices away. You're gonna let them have a voice and say what they feel, what's on their mind, and you're gonna show organic love because you didn't get that. So every chance that I get, I hug my kid. I love you. How was your day? What did you do today? Oh my goodness, you don't like that girl? I don't like her either. You know, it was bonding, and I didn't get that. So it felt so good to have this. And me and my children are very, very close. We share everything. They're still, you know, they ain't my best friends, but they we are very close to where they're comfortable with having conversations with me about different things that they're going through. I let them have a voice. Uh, they're very supportive because I know a lot of people say, you know, how do your kids feel about what you do?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:36

I mean, you reached out.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

My daughter, you know, my daughter's the one that reached out. And but they love that I'm living my my journey and in my truth. And they are so supportive. They are so supportive. I have uh events and things that I do. I do investigations as well, I do paranormal investigations. I get so many people that hit me up. I have to weed out the crazies because it's some crazy people that communicate with me. And I have to I have this uh process of um, I call it the preliminary process. I gotta decide, are you just nuts or you really got some shit going on? Or do you just want to see me sitting in your living room or coming to your house because you need some company? I literally have to go through a filtration process.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:22

Um, but I get a lot of inquiries. I've done investigations all across the United States.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:28

I got a few questions. Uh, I do want to jump back on from uh earlier before. Yeah. Um, you stated that around a certain time every day, what time was that?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:40

Well, it didn't discriminate. It was all the time when the uh uh occurrences would happen. It happened all throughout the day. I I kind of gave you a tad bit of the information on the days where it was traumatic and most memorable. But during the night, about 2.33 in the morning is when we heard the banging in the walls, the growling in the walls. And in the early parts of the morning is when we would smell this very grotesque death smell. And it just would linger. It was just randomly throughout the day.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:16

Was it a sweet death or a sour death?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:20

It was a sour death.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:21

A sour death. Um, secondly, on top of that, you mentioned they.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

So there were plural.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:29

There was more, there were multiple energies in that house. I would see one on my side of the house, in my room, my brother would see one in his room. So we concluded that there were several in the house. My mom and dad were in the living room, and my mom was laying down on the bed. She had just had my baby sister, and she had my brother in the playpen. My mom was in there. I'm in the bathroom, and all of a sudden the lights go off in the bathroom, everything is just blinking, it just looks crazy. My mom's in the living room. My brother's playpen, from what I heard, was going back and forth across the floor. My sister's in the bedroom, and she's being hung upside down from the freaking bed, like reversed, upside down. So her legs are facing the ceiling. So we're all experiencing something at the same time. So we concluded that there's definitely more than one there.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:23

Okay. Next one is like a double Emmy. Um, when it happened and then your father disciplined you, do you feel like that that was a sense of them using him to get at you to inflict pain and torture? And then on top of that, when you did conflict pain and torture, was it worse versus when you did something wrong comparing those two as far as the punishments?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:46

That first part, I felt like my dad definitely was a vessel. And as I got into doing investigations and researching a lot how people can be manipulated, and uh his energy was so strong. There were things that did happen to him though, but his energy, his energy was so strong to where I felt like they were manipulating and utilizing him as a vessel to discipline and attack us. And it it's almost like they did certain things that knew they knew that would disrupt him. And when he was disrupted emotionally, we got our ass beat twice as much. So I noticed that was the other part. I felt like we got beat twice as much when something happened like that, than rather just on our normal situation. But but I definitely feel like my dad, and if you look at some of the movies, the father is always the vessel. Yeah, he's always the vessel, and there's the in either the father is the one that's possessed or manipulated, or because they feel like maybe he's the stronghold in the family. If we get through him, we get through everybody else. Either that or one of the little kids or something, or one of the younger kids, which I felt that I was the one that was under attack the most. And I was I was the one that was attacked, you know, we were all attacked though. But I think I was just so conscious in it, so much, so much more conscious in it than the other ones. But we were all physically attacked. But as I did research, oh, you got another one?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:26

No, I was gonna say, I I think you might have been the one attacked because you were the first one that actually discovered it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:32

To my knowledge, to your knowledge, to my knowledge, um, because I was just observing of certain things that happened with me and my father. I don't know verbatim exactly what might have happened with the other siblings as they were kind of like navigating the house. They could have had their own experiences, but just never shared it. I just was with the one that shared it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:53

But you had the electric thing. I had the electric thing that happened. That was that's probably one of the more abnormal things that happened. So for for them to they probably had little things happening, like but you had and I know, and like was like I said, we were so afraid of my dad.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:13

Yeah, I don't know if Wolf might Wolf was always rescuing me. He was always my brother The one that told you shut up, yes, the one that told me to shut up, he was always protecting me. There was one incident where um there was a lot of incidents. We were in the garage, we were playing hide and seek, and my brother heard me. I was in the station wagon. We're not allowed to go in there. I went in there because I was the bet, I was the one that could hide the best. I go in the station wagon, and my brother, um, he's in there. I'm in the station wagon, uh, it's coming. The car turned on, the whole station wagon shut on. The windshield wipers was doing like this, the radio was blaring, and the doors locked. You know how they had those windows that was like, you know, the manual ones, and then the dot the locks you didn't have automatic. You had the locked in bad boys, all of them locked at the same time. I started screaming because it's right behind me. And my brother, William, he comes, he looks in the backseat and he's terrified. So he's trying to figure out how to get me out of the car, and he's opening the doors. He runs and grabs my dad. My dad looks in the backseat and he's staring in the backseat like he sees. I say, I know he sees it. I know he sees it. So my dad tries to open the doors. He tries his key. Key won't work. So he goes to the front of the garage and they have those four by four things that you do for the tires. He takes it and he busts out the window in the driver's side, pulls me out. The car shuts off automatically as soon as I get out. I end up getting a cut on the side of my hip because there was uh charred glass and it was kind of poking out. So I got a scar on the side of my hip. I'm bleeding on the side of my leg. But my brother, every time something happened, I remember one of them hung me outside the window. My brother was on the outside. He saw what was going on. He saw it levitate me and hang me on the outside of the window. He runs in the house. He's trying to grab me and pull me back in. He's trying to pull me back in. The neighbor saw what was going on. The neighbor runs over. The neighbor thinks that my brother is holding me outside the window.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:27

So I drop, my brother runs out to the front door. He runs out the front door. The neighbor's like, Why are you hanging your sister outside the window? You know that's dangerous. And he's like, I wasn't. He was like, and then they tell my dad, guess what happens? He get beat. He gets beat bad with a water hose, not even a belt. And he's light skinned. So he gets beat so bad he's got welts all over him.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:50

And the sad thing is, he can't explain it because your dad said, Don't. And furthermore, they probably wouldn't believe it anyway at the time. Well, unless they were going through some of those things in that neighborhood, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:02

Here's what we found out. Um, as we were playing with our our our white neighbors, um, my dad selected certain ones we could play with. This one was Melissa Missy, and I forgot the other girl's name. But they told us they were not allowed to go in our house. Then they said that's the bad house. So we didn't understand. What do you mean the bad house? My daddy said that's the bad house because I wanted them to come in the house and play with me. But they said they couldn't go in the house because it was a bad house. So we didn't understand what was going on, but we knew that we never had friends inside of our house because they labeled it the bad house.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:45

Were your were your father and mother religious?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:50

No, they weren't very religious. They we didn't go to church like that. Only time we really went to church is if my grandmother came in town, then we would go to church, and my my dad was the only child, and my grandmother, she was very Baptist. So that's as much religion as we got. We were in Bible study when my grandmother would come. She was very, very, very strict. So we were in Bible study, we were in church all the time. That's the only person that I can say knocked my dad out of his place was his mom. Um, she was just as strict. So, and she was older. My dad didn't start having kids until he was in his 30s. So he was older. And my grandmother, yeah. That's why y'all gotta go and get it out the way. Knock it down out. He said he wanted a big family and he got one. But yeah, yeah, they they were older. His parents, my grandmother died in 2013 when she was 97. Oh, so but his family was very, very old. Um, but yeah, my grandmother was very meticulous and very structured, and I see where he got it from. Yeah, so so and but my you know, there's a lot of trauma in that too. On my dad's side, there's a lot of trauma. Like my grandfather, he committed suicide. He blew his head off with a shotgun in the backyard, and my dad found him when he was a teenager. When my dad was there when he blew his head off. So my dad went through his own trauma. You know, my dad would call him a coward. You know, you only have one child. Why you kill yourself? It wasn't that bad. So he grew up with this, you know, this traumatic mindset of I'ma do different things differently when I have kids and I'm gonna have a bunch. So, but yeah, we went we went through some some very disturbing things, but it also built camaraderie amongst us. Yeah, so we are still very solid siblings. We we are riders. Um, we we we've been through our traumas and things in our own individual lives, but we are straight riders for each other. We're very close, and it's very difficult, it's very difficult to see that amount of siblings still so close-knit.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:57

You don't see that, you don't we talk all the time, and it's dope that y'all all are from the same mom and dad.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:04

We don't see that a lot and you don't see that, especially in that amount, in that amount, and my mom, her parents had nine kids, and she was the baby. So their their legacy, she wanted to keep that legacy. I don't know who you're gonna keep it with. I'm not having nine kids. I stopped at four. I got four out of four.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:21

It's three girls, and my son is the youngest, but I I got another thing before because I want I do want to get right into the uh what you do for a living.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:30

The journey, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:32

But one more thing, because you may mention that I didn't even think to ask earlier of your dad. You feel like he had his own experiences with it too. And your mom, too. Like, did like do you have any stories of anything that they went through?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

Yes. There have been my dad was asleep in his bedroom, and my mom was laying next to him, and this is what my mother told us. And my dad started growling in his sleep. So my mom tried to wake him up, and he's growling and he's foaming at the mouth, and he's twisting and turning back and forth. So my mom, she got afraid, and she went in there and grabbed my brother. So my brother's in there when they're trying to wake up my dad. My dad levitates in the air and levitate and drops back down on the bed. So my brother Wolf is the one that saw it, and my mom, and she just tells us, you know, what happened in that situation. But he had that one time my mom said that he was up sleepwalking, like he was up pacing, like he was sleep, but he got up out of the bed and he just started walking up and down the hallway back and forth. And he went to the kitchen, got one of the butcher nights out of the cabinet, came back, and was just pacing back and forth. And then he dropped it and fell into the hallway and went to sleep in the hallway. That's according to my mom. So there were other things that happened with my dad, but he's so dismissive and doesn't want to admit there was things that happened in front of him. Dismissive.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:07

So I imagine he just wakes up and acts like didn't nothing happen. And I know why I'm in the hallway. Why am I laying in the hallway on the floor or whatever? He just act like nothing happened. Yeah, he probably knew it was happening.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:17

He knew something. Um, my mom noticed that he would have nightmares because he would say these things and his voice would change in his dreams. So she knew that he was having these very disturbing nightmares. Um, my mom was pregnant with my sister, and she was in the kitchen. She was cooking and then she was watching us in the backyard. And then all of a sudden, this face appears in the lit, in the in the window, because the window leads to the backyard. So she's looking at this face, so she's thinking that there's a white man standing at the door, at the window. So she calls my brother. My brothers come in and they see this white person staring in the window. So my mom, like, go back out there and tell him, you know, get out of my window. Because she kept yelling at him and he wouldn't leave. So and he had, he didn't look, she knew he was a white person because of the way that he he he looks and his his appearance, but he was faded kind of. So they're outside and they're doing like this, mom, nobody's out here. But there's this white guy that's like growling at my mom in the kitchen. My mom, excuse me, my apologies. My mom also was in the kitchen, and there was these marbles in the kitchen. They had just kind of bounced in the kitchen towards her when she was cooking, and they formed a circle around her in the kitchen, and they were bouncing around my mom in the kitchen. We could hear them. Like they were loud. We're talking about marbles for crying out loud. So you could hear these things just dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Yeah, that's so and then she ended up going to the hospital that day, and that's when she gave birth to my sister. I don't know if it in helped induce her labor, but something happened, and then my dad had to rush my mom to the hospital. Oh man, I remember them leaving us by ourselves. And then the neighbor, he had one of the neighbors come over. The neighbor lady, there was a lady that used to babysit us, and she would come over and she would watch us. And I remember she was in the living room smoking her cigarette, and her, and I went to the living room, her little cigarette thing, we couldn't tell her what was going on. And her little cigarette pouch, because back then they had them little pouches, and she had more cigarettes, those long, and her little pouch slid across the table. And then I looked and I turned my head. It seemed like I couldn't see nothing.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:36

Did she see it slide across the table? She seen it slide across the table. My last minute second, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:45

She saw it slide, I saw it slide. I had to ignore it, but then like it didn't happen because we weren't allowed to tell anybody. She was sitting there with her hair because she was blind and she was just doing like this and smoking her more. She was an older white lady, and she she saw that thing slide. I saw it slide, she looked, and I looked, and I just was like, going about my business because I can't talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:11

So I feel like we we're about to get into what you do, but we're still in that realm of yeah, how so I imagine when you went back because you said you went back to the neighborhood, I believe.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:22

So you probably investigated what was going on. Why is this house haunted like this?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:29

And all these other ones may or may not be experiencing the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:33

Yeah. So as things transition in my life, I went on a journey of truth, as I called it. I want to know, I want to know what was going on in the house. Was it something with the house? You know, was there some type of engineering thing with the house? Or, you know, what was going on? So I started doing some research. My mom gave me the address. And the moment I walked up to the house, I felt like I suffocated. My cell phone battery completely drained because I was getting ready to document some things and I couldn't, I found out the house was vacant, first of all, nobody was there. So um, I was getting ready to document some things because I wanted to document my journey of truth. My cell phone battery immediately drained. So I'm walking around the house and I'm starting to feel this heavy weight of suffocation. And I said, Oh gosh, just felt like when I was a kid. So, whatever energy that we dealt with is still in that house. And I started researching the area. Um, I left that day, came back the next day, and I just kind of sat and looked at the house. And I was like, okay, let me go talk to some of the neighbors and see if anybody remembers anything or if the neighbors are still the same, or I just want to know. Um so I sat there and I just kind of stared at the house, and I got out, and there was a house that was directly behind ours. So we faced the street. So you know where long is that food lane? Longview is and it runs, and then food lane runs right into it, and then there's a strip of houses that's facing the street. So I, there's a house directly behind it, and we never paid attention to it back then. But as I got older, I realized they had a lot of religious artifacts all over their house. It was so many. It was in the windows, it was in the driveway, it was in the front of the house, it was in the back of the house. They had crosses and crucifixes everywhere, but we didn't understand why. We thought it was just the way that they decorated their house. Because you know how some people they have um gnomes and yard things. We thought this was just their decor. When I came back in 2016 to that house, it still had a bunch of religious artifacts all over it. So I walked up to that door and I knocked. An old white lady comes out and I say, I, you know, this is awkward. How do I how do I enter this conversation? How do what do I say? I didn't rehearse this. So how do I enter this conversation? And I said, I um, you know, I just want to introduce to introduce myself. My name is Marie. I know you don't know me, and I know this is a little uncomfortable for you, but I used to live in this house right here years ago. She said, when did you live here? I said, back in the 80s. She said, Oh, okay. Um, I've been here all this time. I said, So you did you know a lot of the families that lived here? She said, I seen them come and go. I said, okay, well, you know, I don't mean it. At this point, I'm awkward. I don't know what to say to her. I'm like, am I being too intrusive? Does she even still want to keep talking to me? But I'm like, you can't give up. Just keep talking to her. So, and I'm like, okay, well, how many, you know, I don't mean to, you know, be intrusive, but how many families? She looked at me and said, lots. Lots of families have lived there. They don't stay very long and they leave very fast. And I said, Well, my family was one of the families, and we were there in the 80s and the early 80s, and we didn't stay very, very long, and we left very fast. And it was because of some things that were going on. And at this point, I'm still trying to figure out how to open the conversation of ghosts and paranormal. How do I how do I say this to her?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:23

Seemed like she knows where you leave.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:25

But she knows, you know. So I said, We didn't stay very long because of a lot of things that happened in the house. And she's like, A lot of bad things. I say, Yeah, a lot of bad things. So she said, I don't want you to come in the house. Let's go outside. So she walks me out to the driveway. She's old too. So we go out towards the front of the driveway close to the mailbox. It was almost like she didn't want something or someone to hear us talking. So she escorted me out towards the front of the driveway. And then she's like, There's a lot of things that have happened in this neighborhood to a lot of people, but this house, people don't stay very, very long. And she said, There's been a lot of things that have happened in my house. And I said, I think I remember your house when I was younger with all of the religious things that you have, all the crosses. I remember there was one that was kind of blue and purple, and it was really big, and it sat in the window that faced our backyard. Because I used to stand out there and I would like to like let it reflect off of me because it had this rainbow look to it. She was like, Yeah. She said, I still have it, but it cracked. And it cracked, she said, it just cracked randomly one day. It was very pretty. And I said, Well, I remember that cross because I used to play with it when I was younger. And she said, I said, So why do you have all of this in your house? She said, This is the only thing that keeps me. This is the only thing that protects me. And there are things here that I have experienced. There's things that are in this house that are in this area that other people have experienced as well. And this is my way of protection. She's like, I'm not gonna, it's not gonna make me move. So I said, Wow. I said, Did you ever have bad dreams? She said, Yes. They've attacked them. They have, she said they. She said, they've attacked me. They've attacked her grandchildren. Um, when they come over, they attack her grandchildren because she didn't, she had her little children back then. They're all grown now. She said they attacked her children and they would attack her, but she was determined not to leave her house. So I found out recently she passed away, and then the children have the house. And one of the daughters, she's in her 50s, 60s, she's living in the house. But she was telling me that a lot of people in the entire neighborhood had been experiencing something. So I told her, well, we went through some crazy shit in this house, and I'm investigating it, and I want to kind of find out more. So she was like, Well, all you need to do is walk up the street and start asking people and get their testimony. So I was like, okay. So then I started documenting things, and this is, mind you, this is my own journey of truth. I didn't have any desire for it to go beyond that. I just wanted to find out what we went through, document it, corroborate things, and then take it back to my family and share it with them. And it just kept going. So I started going to the neighbors in the neighborhood. A lot of them had passed on, reared their properties to other people. A lot of those houses are in the property management, but they're still experiencing disruptions in their homes. So um I went and had conversations with a lot of people in the neighborhood. So people started finding out about me. So they said, Are you a Ghostbuster girl? I said, Well, not really, but kind of. I'm not really gonna take it with me, whatever you're going through, but I definitely want to find out what you're experiencing because there's been other people, including myself, that have gone through something. So in that neighborhood, I just went on a little journey and I had 15 different people corroborate experiences in that neighborhood. So then I'm like, if everybody's going through this, then there's something in this land that is causing a disturbance. So then I took my investigation a little further. And I started researching the property and the land prior to all the houses being built and started discovering some very disturbing shit. So back in the 1800s, because you know, I don't know if you guys know, Missouri was the last state to abolish slavery. They were the very fickle state. They were pro-slavery, they were harboring slaves back before uh KCI was ever an airport. It used to be a um plantation. Plantation, yeah, yeah. It was a full-functioning operation plantation, and it was also um an auctioning block. They used to auction the slaves off to the South. And the slaves that they had, they didn't know that they were slaves because they were ignorant. They weren't taught to read or write. So, and and their children were groomed not to read or read and write. So they were taking the slaves illegally and then selling them to the South, because the South was emancipated. So Missouri was fucked up. So in the 1800s, there was this order that came through because Kansas was a free state. Missouri was not. So there was this order that came through from the Union saying if you still have slaves and they know and you know they're supposed to be emancipated, then you are going against the uh the emancipation proclamation. And everything that you own can be taken. Your slaves, your property, your houses, everything, and your land. So either surrender to the um the anti-slavery, or we come in and destroy everything. So in this area, and I did some very intensive research, I had to go to the Jackson County Historical Society because a lot of this information ain't on the internet. I had to go to the genealogy center, uh the Midwest Genealogy Center out in Independence. I had to go to so many different locations to get archives, microfilmed. I spent months researching that area, and I came across um some information about a gentleman. I'm trying to remember his name, and I hate that his name is Charles. He came from Philly, bought up a bunch of land, 3,600 acres of land in the um Southwest region, all throughout that entire sector of the Ruskin Heights district, the Ruskin High School, all of that territory was owned by this gentleman. And he had Native Americans as slaves, he had blacks as slaves, and when the order number 11 was enacted, he did not want to surrender. So what he did was, well, you ain't gonna, they're not gonna be free. I'm very cocky, I'm very prideful. If I'm going down, I'm going, I'm going down with a fight. So he took everybody that was a slave on his land and he murdered them. And he buried them in that entire sector where those houses were. He buried them. Um, he buried them 10 feet deep. So that way, just in case, if they weren't dead, they you know, they could crawl out of that that deep um uh mold, whatever they trench, they could crawl out of it. So they built, they dug them deeper than six feet deep just in case, because some of them would crawl out. So he buried them, killed them, killed their families, killed everybody, and buried them in that entire area. So when they came through, the militia came through, the union came through, there was guerrilla groups that was coming through, raiding everybody's territories. It was pretty fucked up. And they couldn't take the slaves, but they were like, you're gonna have to surrender your land. The fact that he did not get uh reprimanded for killing these people is the disturbing part. It made the news and everything, but he never got he never got um discipline for killing them. He nothing, no corrective action ever happened. They just took his land. And when they took his land, they knew that these uh these graves were built there. They were very, the union was very aware of that. So they were like, well, we're gonna have to do something with the land. We're gonna have to put something here, otherwise, we have to surrender it over to the state. So they were like, what can we do? So they started building houses, flats. So if you notice some of those houses out in South Kansas City in the Ruskin district, they don't have basements. They're built on concrete slabs for a reason. And they started building houses. And towards the 1800s, early 1900s, all of these houses and and everything started becoming into development. The Ruskin High School was actually one of um Charles's mansions, it was one of his huge mansions, and then there's a church out there, Memorial Missionary. I don't know if you guys know that one. It used to be a Home Depot right off '71, but they turned it into a church. But that was one of his mansions. So he had a mansion there, and then if you go over to another sector, he had Ruskin. Most of most people don't know that Ruskin Heights is known, its nickname is called the Battleground. So if you went to Ruskin and you don't know that, that's actually where a lot of the battles happen with the Union. And a lot of the uh the and the pro-slavery individuals, it happened right there. And it was a lot of bloodshed, a lot of death, but they end up turning his mansion into a school. So once I started doing more deeper dives and doing more investigating, people started telling other people about me. And they called me the ghost girl. I started getting emails and calls, and I was very casual and clueless back then. I was giving people my phone number. Yeah, just call me. Not really thinking about how intense this was gonna get. These people have my private cell phone number, all these weirdos. So they started contacting me. And I said, okay, I'll come out and do an investigation. Because at this point, I'm in a journey of truth. I need I love researching. I'm very obviously I was groomed to be a nerd. So I was on this journey and I started going out doing investigations for people. Obviously, I needed to get some kind of preliminary evidence, and it was good because it was black people. Black people were hitting me up. First, it was a little a little awkward for me because a lot of black people that heard about me, they were like, oh, you into that stuff? You shouldn't be doing none of that stuff. You, you know, you're black. We don't do that. This bitch does because I had to figure some shit out. But I got judged a lot more by black people than I did anybody else. But anyway, yeah, so I started doing investigations. There was black people that would hit me up, and I would go out and I started finding interesting things in their houses and showing it to them, like this is what you're dealing with, this is the level of what you're dealing with, and you're not crazy. And that for me was a success. Being able to tell people, especially black people and people that come from our dynamic, that you're not nuts.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:08

What you're experiencing is not a figment of your imagination, and you got somebody that looks like you that's telling you that. My name started getting out there a lot more, and I was kind of just doing this to help people. I got contacted by um um a podcaster, and I did it, a podcast interview, and then I got contacted by the pitch weekly, so they're like, Oh, we heard about you, we want to do a story of you. Said, okay. I think about you know the long-term thing of it and actually giving a damn about where it was going. This was an opportunity for me to share all of these stories. So I did an interview with the pitch weekly, and I ended up being on the front cover of the pitch weekly. They contacted me about a month after their release, and they was like, Do you know that your your release was the number one demanded pitch weekly we've ever had? Because they had never really back then, it was 20, I want to say 2019, 2020, they didn't really have a lot of black people on the covers.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:08

So, and they were kind of taking a dive a little bit because pitch weekly wasn't around like that, like it's like it was, like it is now. It's a little bit more heat now. But they were like, yours was the number one, and we had so many people asking about your story, and I had got such an influx. My pitch weekly made it to LA. How I got out there, I don't know. But it made it to LA, and one of these producers contacted me, and they were like, We saw your pitch weekly in a coffee shop, and we want to interview you. So I spoke with them, and there was a producer for the Travel Channel. So they're like, We want to document all these investigations. How many have you done? During that time, I had done maybe 80 investigations. And the only thing with um disclosing some of the stories in Missouri is Missouri has this psychologically impacted statute where you're they're not required to tell you what goes what's going on with a property when you purchase it, when you lease it, when you rent it. They're not required to disclose anything. If there was a homicide, a suicide, a murder, HIV, STD, they don't have to disclose it. So they're protected by the statute, which changed in the early 90s, which was an indicator that there was a lot of shit going on. There's a lot of shit going on. A lot of people reporting paranormal disruptions. So I'm I'm in the process of working with the state to try to reverse that, but it's it's legislatively, it's it's it's it's not easy. It's not because it's it's protected um economically because it's gonna mess up a lot of um you know real estate investments and things like that. If they start finding out about the history, people may not want to invest, they may not want to purchase. But um, but yeah, so I'm I'm I'm I'm lobbying for that. I'm lobbying to get that statute reversed to where they have to disclose it. But a lot of the findings and investigations I've done in Missouri, a lot of the people are renters. So I can't go against the game. I can't disclose this stuff if you don't own the property. So I had to sign non-disclosure agreements and to protect the integrity of the person as well as the integrity of the people that actually own the property. Because if it got out, you know, I could be sued. There's a lot of liability involved in that. I started doing investigations um in multiple different areas. So anyway, the network's like, you know, we heard about you, and we never heard about a black woman doing this. So I was like, it's definitely different. And, you know, they interviewed me, and then I ended up starting to do some um filming for them. So I did some filming for uh uh Painless Productions for the Travel Channel, it never got released, unfortunately, because during that time they were going through a shift with their connections and networks with the travel channel. But I end up having so many other interviews. I I did an investigation at Fox News Studio down in their basement. I've done investigations at barbershops, nail salons, hair salons, daycares, um, ranches, wells. I've done so many investigations, just giving people a peace of mind and truth. I've done investigations out of town. Now, if they call me out of town to do investigations, you don't have to pay me. I got I'm not I'm not flying out there for free. So um I was contacted by there was a couple guys named Sam and Kobe, which are pretty popular YouTubers, investigators. I didn't know who they were. I I don't I didn't really know who anybody was because I wasn't really tapped into that industry of knowing people. I was taught to be my greatest success. So I didn't really know. I didn't watch TV like that. You know, I just I started kind of tapping into different networks of people because of this industry I'm in. So Sammy Kobe, they hit me up, their producer hit me up. I end up doing an investigation in Atchison, Kansas, just on the whim. That got 27 million views. And then I end up doing interviews with Fox News, KCTV, radio stations, everybody's interviewing me. And it's just so surreal for me because this was just me researching what I went through and what my family went through. Now I feel like it's my journey, it's my mission to keep going. And I still get contacted by people, I still do investigations, and now I have a podcast called Paranormal Impact, where I interview other people and let them come into my studio and they share their stories. And, you know, I've heard some unique stories, very unique stories. So what I'm doing with their stories is I'm taking their stories and I'm turning it into an actual reenactment series, and I'm gonna reenact these stories. So I'm working with the network, I can't say the name, but we're they're they're putting together some stuff so that way I can be that blackface. Like I said, I'm I'm the female Jordan Peel. Yeah, that's that's my goal. Jordan Peel, what's that other guy? Um, he just put out that that vampire movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:11

Uh uh Start with R. What you talking about? Michael with Michael B. Jordan? With Michael B. Jordan.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:17

What's his name?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:18

Ryan Kugler.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:19

Ryan Kugler. Yeah, you know how they had those eccentric style movies. And I've written short films, I've written full feature films. I wrote a book too, and I have a second book coming out. The book that I wrote is called Ten Feet Under, which is the truth about it. It's my story about what happened when we were kids, but 10 feet above, which is my second memoir, that's gonna talk about what I'm doing right now. That's tough in this journey. But I had to write a book about it, so you can get that on Amazon, get that on Barnes and Noble, and I did bring a copy for you. Okay, so you can have that copy.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:54

Um posted that up.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:55

Yeah, oh, it's in I think it's in my purse. You don't go in women's purses, do you? I know, I already know, but it's in there. But yeah, I brought a copy for you.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:04

Did you want me to grab it and yeah, you can uh it's a nice cover, too. This the actual house?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:12

No, everybody says no, it's not the actual house, but it's uh my designers, they created that, and it is a uh it's the story about my childhood, my family, us living in that house, what happened to us. And you know, I got my siblings permission to write it, and you know, they're writing their own stories, but yeah, it's it's it's it's the jump off.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:37

You said this for us?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:38

That's for you. Oh, okay. Yeah, I gotta sign it though. I gotta sign it for you. Please. Yeah, so the second one is called 10 feet above, so it's gonna talk about this. But yeah, I just I just started getting recognized, and then I felt like, you know, I need to shift because you know, I was on a specific journey and I was trained and conditioned a certain kind of way.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:56

And now it's like my journey is completely, it's it's different. I have a series coming out with three other black women. I had to find some people like me, women. I found three black women, and not many of us out there, and these young, amazing black women, one's in California, uh, one's in New York, and this other lady is in Kentucky, I believe. And we're gonna come together and do a series called Supernatural Sisters. And we're gonna go out together, four black women investigating, kind of like you know how our counterparts do. And we're gonna put our faces out there so we can make more young black women comfortable with spirituality, talking about um what they're experiencing as far as any type of supernatural, paranormal encounter. We're gonna put the face out there. So I got these three three ladies, and we're gonna work on filming here in Kansas City very soon.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:48

Almost like the women Ghostbusters in a different in a different way, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:53

Exactly. It's just like the female, black female Ghostbusters will have our uniforms and going into locations.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:01

Are you getting uniforms too? Yes, I like it, yes, yeah, yeah. Well, I hope y'all film that really good. Yes, get it shot really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:09

I do, like I said, I love the the setup here. It's very professional. I've watched a lot, uh I watched a lot of your um your interviews. The quality is amazing, by the way. But yeah, I do have a team that I'm gonna be working with to do the filming. Um, but the quality of it is is gonna be phenomenal. Good. Yeah, it's gonna have it's gonna have a lot of interesting things. We're still gonna have the comical side because you know, we black women, so we're gonna have our comical moments and we're human, you know. But we are definitely gonna have our serious side, which is the side that we don't get recognized on a lot. I want y'all to know we're serious about this. So, but yeah, so we got that coming out. But so now I'm just I'm on this journey of let's let's get this exposure, let's get these stories out here, the things that we were exposed to when we were younger, movies and stuff like that. That stuff is real. That's based on real life stuff. Real life traumas, traumas that I had to go through with my family, and experiences that we don't talk about because it's such a taboo conversation in our culture. It's a stigma in that in the culture. We don't have those conversations about it. So I'm breaking, removing the veil from all of that, and we're going to talk about it. We're going to normalize this shit. We're going to get out here and we're going to showcase us black women. There is a um a group of black brothers called the Ghost Brothers. I don't know if you've ever heard of them. You've heard of them? Dalen Spratt, he's the one that put it all together. He has his own little segment called the Graveyard Shift. But uh we're gonna be doing investigations with them, building a bridge with them. Um, they're the only other black investigative group that I know. There aren't any other ones. So I said, we're we're gonna get out here. We're gonna be the new Zach Bagan. You know what I mean? We're gonna take it, we're gonna take over. We're gonna take over. Our faces will take over. So that's what my my mission is is to bring visibility in the paranormal, supernatural um subculture for black people. That's the goal. And you know, here's one thing that a lot of people misconstrue about me. You know, they go to my Facebook page, oh she's cute, oh she she's unique, oh, she must be weird, she must be strange. Because I know you mentioned Dayton must be difficult for me. It's a it's interesting. It's interesting. Uh, I'm single now because I'm focused on my objectives. And I move around a lot, I do a lot of things, I research a lot. I'm always gone. I just came back from LA and I did a uh filming for Dan Ackroyd show called The Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:48

Oh, Dan Ackroy. So I he a Ghostbuster too.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:50

Is that Dan Ackroyd or Ghostbuster?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:52

Dan Dan Ackroyd wasn't ghostbusters. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, he was. So he's a host on the show called The Unbelievable. So they they contacted me, they saw me on a podcast, and it was like, we gotta have your face. So it's gonna be on the History Channel, which will be on Hulu. So it'll be out this year. So I'm I'm always on the go. Thank you.

unknown 1:52:12

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:13

I was that was I love me some Dan Ackrid. Dan Acker is an amazing, he's an amazing actor. So, but yeah, I'm always on the go. So I don't stand still enough to be a conventional style woman. Um, but you know, I'm a mother, I got children, I know what it is to be in a relationship. I've been in that dynamic before. But at this point in my journey, because when I was in relationships, at that point in my journey, I was submissive to my partner. I was I was very submissive to the point where I was dismissive of what I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:48

And I was so concerned about appeasing their journey.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:51

That's your mama coming out.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:52

And that's me. And that's why I know this is my mom. I had to unlearn this because my mom was such a beautiful and creative woman. I feel like so many of her creativities were suppressed and just dismissed because she wasn't allowed to have her own voice and her own identity. So moving away from that mindset and unlearning that conditioned lifestyle, I started saying, okay, if I really want to do this, I cannot, I can't, I can't pamper my partner the way that I would like to, or in this, this, this kind of dynamic, because I'm neglecting myself. And I know I'm gonna have to move around a lot. So my partner would have to be strong enough to understand that. I I move around with a lot of different people and I network with a lot of different people. So would he be strong in his emotional capacity to deal with that?

SPEAKER_06 1:53:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:43

And I have not run into a lot of men that are, and I'm not saying I'm no independent woman and I don't need a man. No, I want a man. I need a man, but in a certain capacity. I gotta have him in a certain capacity. So I have not yet run into a man that I felt was comparable for this journey and that understood it, respected, valued it. So I'm idle. I'm idle. I'm not searching, I'm not looking, I'm just stationary. I like it though. I learned I'm learning a lot more about myself and what my desires are. And then my children are so supportive of it. And that is the thing that matters the most to me. They're so supportive, they're so involved. When I do investigations, you know, my my two younger ones, my son is he's 18, but he's been doing investigations with me since he was 15. And he knows, you know, set up the camera, set up the equipment. Mom's gonna want me to be in this, mom's gonna want a microphone here. Mom's gonna want a camera. He's groomed, but he loves it. And they're so supportive. My daughter Jada, that hit you up, she's like, I need you to be on everybody's podcast. I need you on, because I'm not as aggressive in that area. Because I'm like, if you request me, I go. Yeah, but her, she's like, no, we need to get another setup for you. So she's she's kind of like my AR person now. She's reaching out, and she's she went to LA with me, and she got a chance to um go backstage and behind the scenes, and and it's pretty interesting. But she's like, Yeah, I need to make sure you're in these spotlights with black people. So I said, absolutely. And then she hit me up that day. Yeah, she she hit me up and was like, I need you to hit this person up. And I'm at dinner with my sister, and we're in a very strong conversation. She was like, I need you to stop what you're doing because he needs a response now.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:33

It was so fast, and I never told her to be now.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:37

My daughter, she and she was in the Navy, she's very militant-minded and she's very strong. She said, No, put down your fork, and I need you to respond. I said, All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:47

Because I said that I was like, This is the fastest response I ever got. Like, that was quick.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:53

Yeah, I responded because my militant baby said, get on it. So I did at dinner. I'm like, my sister's like, What are we doing? I said, just hang on, I gotta do this for Jada because she needs to tell me I gotta get it done. So I'm at dinner and I'm sending you a message. But um, but yeah, they're very, they're very, very supportive. But you know, like us, like I was saying earlier, and I think I kind of drifted. But a lot of people, they just kind of misconstrue me because they think that I'm into all this demonic stuff. Uh, she's gotta be into be into witchery and she's gotta be into demonology, and she's probably into voodoo. I ain't into none of that shit. I research it because a lot of people that I build bridges with and a lot of people I've done investigations for are into those things. So I have to be conscious of what I'm walking into. Because I've I've been into some houses where they've had some energy that was not very, not very becoming because of the things that they're practicing and the belief structure they have. So I have to be conscious of those things. But I don't practice none of that. I'm a regular woman that went through an experience, that went through situations, that wanted to find out the truth, and now I'm on this journey.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:03

I want to be clear, and I'm gonna let you because I feel like you got something. You got something. I want to be clear on what I meant when I asked you that, though, as far as the difficulty and how it may be difficult to date you. I was saying that because of what your father put on you, not because of you ghost hunting, right? That's different. Because of the the militantness and you gotta have shit this way and that way, the way you were talking to the other kids. I'm like, I can't imagine how it was when you were dating then.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:30

Yeah, when I when I when I was growing up and having to relate to other children and other people, it was a no-nonsense mentality. Yeah, so and then the way that I was rearing my children as no nonsense. But when I got in a relationship, though, I'm docile, I'm submissive. I'm like the order of operations goes to my man.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:49

Okay. That's that's so that's why I said that more because of your father, not the ghost stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:57

I I got a series of questions. It'll be all over the place. Um first, you said your mother's from Louisiana.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:04

Her family's from Louisiana. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:06

Do you know what part?

SPEAKER_02 1:58:07

Tree Point.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:08

Tree Point? Okay. So there is a possibility that you do have some Creole blood somewhere depending on the cheekbones, the skin color, kind of kind of gives it off in that direction. Um, your father, after he witnessed that, have you ever talked to him about the incident or what happened afterwards?

SPEAKER_01 1:58:27

I never spoke to my father about any of that. We we were not. There was one time I tried to, and he was in a nursing home, and I felt like what can he do? He's dependent, he, you know, has to be fed, you know, and I asked him. Um, and this is probably two months before he passed away. I said, Dad, do you remember what happened to us in that house? Did we have bad things happen to us in that house? So he rolls over and looks at me and turns his head. So I never said anything else about it. Never, never brought it up, never talked to my siblings either.

unknown 1:59:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:08

Um do you have deja vues?

SPEAKER_02 1:59:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:12

Deja vu's in a sense of you dream it and then weeks, months, years later, you can re-encount, revisit, re-see, and almost be able to pinpoint everything kind of unfolding.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:23

Yes. And that was a very difficult thing, thing for me to deal with in a relationship because I had these dreams and these visions that were so strong. And I have what I call a seventh sense. I have this sensitivity where I can see things, I can feel things. Um, I hear energies when they speak. I'm not a medium, but I have that sensitivity where I believe I'm so calibrated to the energy form that it's able to penetrate my energy. So, but I see them a lot. They're it got so they became so frequent to why I had to keep a diary. I have a book of my premonitions that I have. So anytime I dream about anything, any type of scenery or setting or anything like that, if it's a plane crash, I document it. I document the smell, the color, the sound, the person, the description, the clothing. I document it all in that actual vision. And then it comes true. Because at one point I was sharing it with my partner. He didn't believe me. He was like, you know, I understand you, I could, I hear you, but and I never told him about my paranormal stuff. My my he never knew about any of that until after we had separated. So I would tell him about my dreams and my visions. And one day something happened to a very major um soccer team. They ended up getting into a plane crash, and I visualized it. I visualized the location, I visualized the players, their faces, their colors, where it crashed at, the time of day, the clouds. And I woke up and told him I had this terrible dream. He was at work one day, and it came on the news that there was this plane crash. A couple weeks later, it came on the news that there was this plane crash. It was a soccer team. And it happened in the same sequence of every detail that I dreamt about. So again, I tried to explain it to him. I didn't give him as many details of what I had dreamt, but I did bring it back to his attention. And he was like, you know, that's probably a coincidence. That's when I started documenting and timestamping everything. Because I'm like, there's no way nobody's gonna believe me unless I have. And then I started sending text messages because, you know, that's a timestamp. I started uh doing messages and I would send them in a group chat to my kids. And I'd be like, all right, this is the story, and then I'll document it and I'll sign it and I'll put a date on it in my book. And that way it was more credible and they can refer back. Oh, we got this text message on this day. You did say it was gonna be exactly that. But here's the thing about that. Who when I have these premonitions and these dreams, who do I tell? If I if there's something that happens with a signature individual and I see it ahead of time and I go, how do I connect with them, first of all, to give them this information? And they're gonna be looking at me like, are you are you trying to commit a crime? Or how do you know any of this stuff before it has even happened? How are you conscious of this? You know, it's gonna be an interrogation.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:34

So I said, How how do I how do I insert myself in this to make myself visible and make sure that I'm able to maybe interject in this to prevent it from happening? How do I do it?

SPEAKER_03 2:02:47

You don't.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:49

I just document it.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:50

Yeah, you don't. A lot of the times what I believe in my direction, because I've been what you're experiencing, I experienced my entire life, even all the up into adulthood. Um, for me, I think a lot of the times it's the knowing of it, yeah, but not necessarily participating in the knowing of it. Um, I feel like that having access to that fourth dimension or that seventh sense. Um, you're fed this information, but it's not meant to be shared.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:21

And that and that's that's another thing. I am putting myself on this platform of visibility. So if I say, hey, this is gonna happen, or if some people that are connected to me have these premonitions, I'm on a status that's high enough to get people's attention, to make them stop and say, we need to listen to her because she's credible, she's she has proven certain facts, and we need to listen and stop. So that's one of the things that I'm anchoring towards is more visibility so that way I can start telling these stories or telling these premonitions and maybe intercept something and maybe prevent some things from happening. But then, you know, I also think about it too, and maybe, maybe, maybe it's crossed your mind your mind, maybe it hasn't. If we do intercept that, right, it changes the trajectory of something. Something else could have been entered, you know, something else is not gonna happen because this didn't happen. So would it even be beneficial?

SPEAKER_03 2:04:25

I excuse me. I think no. I think that a lot of the times say that if you were to prevent a catastrophic event, right? Yeah, something else has to take its place. Because it's just like in physics, for every action there's a reaction. If you create a ripple, that ripple is going to basically continue to move on. The only thing that's going to disturb that ripple is time.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:47

So if you were to prevent something from happening, something greater can also happen. But something greater can also create something that's going to impact a lot more people versus a few people that might, you know, in that direction. So uh I don't know if you remember Cynthia, well, her name Sylvia.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:07

Sylvia.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:07

Yes. When she would go out and she would say these things, don't get on the train, don't do this, don't do that. I kind of feel like that it was pushing us into an alternate quote-unquote dimension or an alternate route than what it was supposed to. Um, what is that movie? Got on a plane, do stop you from getting on a plane, and then they start dying one by one. Final destination.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:32

Was it? Well, it's the first one.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:34

It was like the first one, wasn't it? Yeah, because I didn't see many of them. I feel like that that is the perfect representation of having that that that knowledge.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:44

Of preventing something, and then next, you know, it's still gonna happen, right? But it can happen in a much worse way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:52

And that and that makes me think about too, because the job that I do, I'm a claim adjuster. So I respond whenever there is catastrophes, when there's storms, bless you, whenever there's hurricanes. And although those destructive forces may be, you know, detrimental to a lot of people, it actually creates another effect where it employs a lot of people and like myself. So I'm I'm considered a storm tracer because whenever the storms happen, the hail comes, hail storms and tornadoes, that's job security for me. That's true, which is unfortunate for somebody else. So, and I kind of keep that same mindset when I'm thinking about those premonitions. If I stop this, then who suffers as a result of that?

SPEAKER_03 2:06:40

But another one, um witch writing. You heard of it?

SPEAKER_01 2:06:46

Say it, say it again. Witch writing, witch writing, yeah. I have heard of it a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:51

Okay, that is uh my grandmother told me about that. She's Greenville, Mississippi, is where she's from, which is why I'm directly up north and you know, in Memphis. Um, she was in touch with a lot of that. Um basically she told me because I encountered a situation where I was quote unquote Rich Rotan. Um my story is I 18 years old, just graduated high school. You know, every kid when they first graduate in high school, and you wake up, the first thing hits your head is I'm fucking free. I ain't gotta go to school, I ain't gotta do shit. So I'm I'm cool. So I I lay in bed. Um, we lived on a street called Shiny Road. Right down the street on Shiny Road, if people know what it is, it's called Cyrus Castle. Uh Cyrus Castle's been vacant for X amount of years, but it has its own set of histories. But this entire street just has this um what do you call it? The atmosphere is like butter, you know. So as I wake up on this particular day, I'm stretching, I'm cool, I'm laying down, you know, I'm enjoying my little sense of peace. And on the bed, I feel the cat jump on the bed. And I feel the cat, you know, crawling towards me. I'm like, oh it's just a cat. And then it dined on me. I don't have a fucking cat. And as soon as I thought of that, all I felt was pressure. There's pressure on top of me, like on my chest area. Uh, my hands are stuck behind my head. I cannot move my arms, I cannot breathe, I cannot rotate my head. I am stuck in position, paralyzed. I can see everything and I can recount everything to the second. So as I'm sitting here trying to fight, trying to fight, I'm starting to lose my strength because I can't breathe. But I feel something holding my like right off my face. So I'm sitting there and I got to a point where I'm just like, okay, this is this is it. You know, this is how I'm gonna go out. So I might as well go ahead and say my prayers and just get it all over with. So as I go through God, um, sorry for my sins, I'm sorry for this, forgive me this, this, everything in that direction. And as soon as I come to the point as I'm about to fade out and I say, Amen, I'm released. As soon as I'm released, I jump up, I have boxes on and a tank top and some socks. I run outside and I'm just out there, just stuck. And I'm pacing back and forth, not really knowing what happened, calling my mom. She she comes. Come to find out, um, things have been happening in this house for a very long time. Um, I've witnessed it, but I just I just figured I was just tripping. You know, I kind of see shadows from the side of your vision. You're like, oh, it's just shadows. Uh, you go downstairs in the basement and you just feel this uh just suffocating pressure. But I'm like, okay, maybe it's just I'm just kind of afraid to go down in the basement, you know. Um, the owner of the house actually committed suicide downstairs in the basement. That's where my room is. Um white man, um, very racist. Very racist. Uh, the owner of the house actually told us this. And once she said this and we all knew about it, things got worse. So now we are understanding of the situation. Now we know what's going on, we know what this is and who this is. And the moment we actually make that first contact of understanding, everything just goes completely crazy. Doors are left open, doors are being busted out, cabinets being opened, um, garage doors being opened, um, toilet paper literally strained across the entire house. You know, just like everything is just out of whack. And then we end up moving. Um, we end up moving to a different place, and it followed us. It followed us because it was attached to something that we had.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:53

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:54

Somebody, as we were packing stuff up uh from downstairs in the basement, uh, there was this box of photos that did not belong to us, but we didn't know this. But as we went to that house, it followed us. Then we went to another house, it followed us. So the point is where once we figured out that box and we got rid of that box, I guess you can say things kind of stopped, but my experiences didn't. Um ended up getting a job at Lake City, and anyone who knows what Lake City is, it's an army ammunition plant. Uh, back in 41, 42, 43, 44 during World War II, they used to stage soldiers there that were killed in action. So all everyone that was actually killed in action went to Lake City. Um, this land itself is just it's full of energy. You can sense it when you're there. But you will see things, you will hear things, and you will feel things. There will be times where you would hear somebody say something, but you're the only person in the room. Kind of make you question your schizophrenia, you know. Or you will see cabinets being slammed shut. Or you'll go into an area where we have like the bunkers and you'll see people just walk by, or you'll look through a machine and you see somebody on the other machine, like, hey, let me get some help over here, and you walk over there, and there's no other. You know, so that for me, I think being in that environment kind of flip the switch that I'm now everywhere I go, I see and witness and feel all these different entities.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:28

So you feel like you also have a sensitivity now?

SPEAKER_03 2:12:31

Highly. Highly, highly. I can be in an area and I can, I don't want to say I can feel your energy, but I can sense it.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:38

You can sense it.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:39

I can sense where you are in my daughter. This girl, she she has it down to a T. We can be in a grocery store and she'll stare at somebody. And I'm like, what's wrong, baby? And she like, that's not a good man. And I'm like, okay, but we're gonna stay away from him then. We're gonna we're gonna head over this direction.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:00

Was your daughter born here or in Middle East?

SPEAKER_03 2:13:03

She was born here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:05

Okay. So do you do you do you still experience this?

SPEAKER_01 2:13:11

I feel like I'm on the podcast now. Do you still experience a lot of those things that you went through when you were in was it Mississippi or Memphis?

SPEAKER_03 2:13:20

Um this this was here actually. Oh, that happened when I located here.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:25

When you located here.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:26

When I here, yeah. In Memphis, I didn't really, I don't think I really encountered it a lot. Not until I actually got here. Um, when I got here, I feel like that incident kind of opened the floodgates.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:43

And where was that location again?

SPEAKER_03 2:13:45

Uh 811 Shiny Road is the address. I'm sorry if the person lives there now. 811 Shiny Road. 811 Shiny Road. There's a house, there's a big mansion called Cyrus Castle. Um, this castle was built by a man um and his wife, and he went off to war, World War I. Um, he went off to the war, and she basically took care of the house or the mansion in this case in this case. Um she waited, she waited, she waited, she waited, and then um one day she came to a point to where she thought that he was never gonna return. You know, because World War I was horrible. Yes. So she thought he was probably killed in battle. So she hung herself in the bell tower. When she hung herself in the bell tower, the next day he came home and found her. And so he blew his brains out.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:33

That sounds like um um it's that vampire movie. I love this movie too. Um Dracula. Yes. You ever heard the story of Dracula? Um Elizabeth The origins.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:48

Yeah, she thought that her husband died in military and war, and then she plunged herself to death, and he came back and surrendered his soul to the devil, whatever. Um that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:01

I want to go visit that location.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:03

Yeah, but I'll I would think it would be when's the last time you've been there since we moved. I've never never been back to it. How long ago was that? How many years ago? This was 2007.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:15

Oh, okay. Almost 20 years, almost. Yeah, make me feel ill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:22

Yes. Yeah, 2007 was the last time I was there.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:26

Now it's interesting because Kansas has a disclosure law on um psychologically impacted properties. Well, their laws will fickle. Theirs is disclose if necessary.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:37

Well, we were privately renting. We knew the actual owner personally. Okay. Because after relocating here for college, that was where we actually went to because we already knew somebody was like, Oh, it'd be easy to, you know, just to relocate, and we went directly to her because her and my mom were friends.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:55

Yeah. So you had that inside connection to that. And so she never mentioned to your mom about any of the history? Well, she was just like, all right.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:04

Lied into that day. Not into that.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:06

Did she ever admit that there have been things after you guys went through it? Did she ever admit to you that there was a history?

SPEAKER_03 2:16:13

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, because we wanted to get to the bottom of it because I was not entering that hospital so I get answers. I was not going back because I get answers. Um, once we got our answers, once we asked her, like, hey, something weird just happened to my son. This, this, this. And she's like, oh, yes, my uh my father committed suicide in the basement. He uh shot himself in the head. Um probably doesn't help that he was really racist. And I'm the, I mean, we're all black, but I'm the only boy out of four, five women, including my mom.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:48

I don't know why sometimes those spirits are more aggressive towards males than females. Sometimes. As in my situation, it didn't, it didn't discriminate. That's another thing I say. Ghosts don't discriminate, they don't give a shit sometimes. They'll make themselves visible, they'll attack you under any condition, just depends on their strength. But I would classify what you went through as what is is very similar to what I went through. And I consider that to be an energy for. And I rate them on these types of levels because associating them with religion gets a little too risky. So if I say spirit, I'm associating with a specific religion. So I instead of saying an association, I just say energy because that's essentially what they are. They're just recycled energy in different forms. But you were definitely dealing with an energy four. One, twos, and threes are more so one, two, ones and twos are more so grandma ghosts. Visible, active, present, but not physically able to harm you. Threes and fours are more malevolent type styles. They're very aggressive. They can be shape shifters, they can get in your dreams, they can touch you physically, they can harm you. Those are those are the ones that are a lot more, and those typically are the ones that are summoned, you know, because there's there's different strikes of energy realms and energy existence. And those are the ones that are usually summoned. You know, they put the stars on the ground and the candles and they're summoning these energies, and they tend to come through these portals a lot more aggressive than the ones that of a of a person that just transitions over to, you know, like I just died and my ghost is transitioning over to just a you know spirit or my I'm transitioning over to a ghost. They're not summoned. There's just that's just a traditional method. But if you're summoning them, they're bringing a lot of other energies with them. And that's when they get more aggressive. Some of the houses I've done the investigations on, they've had some very disturbing history, and it wasn't necessarily because um somebody died there, grandma died natural causes. It was more so that they had ritualistic practices somewhere in the house where they were summoning demons, summoning demonic forces, playing Ouija boards. Like that shit is real. That I had did an investigation in um Shawnee, Kansas. It was a big husky white guy, and he had two twin boys, and they were just the the whole the idea of a jock fits them perfectly. The just he was just so tough, you know. But they his kids played with a Ouija board and they had an energy in the house, but he brought the win, he brought the Ouija board from Colorado from when he was a kid. So he kept it because you can't just destroy a Ouija board, you can't just burn it, or there's certain things that you have to do to keep the energy in a Ouija board, and but you can't just destroy the object. That's why Ed and Lorraine had that whole um house full of objects. They can't just burn them because you'll make it more, you make it worse and you make it more aggressive.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:03

You set it free almost.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:04

Yeah, you'll set it free for it to connect with something else. So, but yeah, they had this in they they had this Ouija board and they they brought back some very demonic stuff in their house. And yeah, that was pretty disturbing. I had to have a conversation with the father, and I'm like, somebody adding up, you're hiding something. And that's when he confessed to me, it was my Ouija board, my grandmother gave it to me. I played with it when I was a kid, and I had she told me I had to take it with me. So she took it with, she took it with them, and he had it in the attic. The kids find it, trying to impress, found it, and trying to impress their girlfriends. They were playing with it and they unearthed some things. That stuff is real. That stuff is real. You don't go summoning some shit because some stuff you might summon, you may not be able to get rid of.

unknown 2:20:52

True.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:53

Can't go bringing a scepter to life like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:58

Uh, one of the reasons why I don't take objects from strangers, or if I go to garage sales, is what is the one when you go, a person passed away and you go and they have everything for sale?

SPEAKER_00 2:21:09

You said what is it?

SPEAKER_03 2:21:10

Yeah, it's it has Oh, a state sale? Yes. Yeah, cannot do any of those things. For me, I just feel like if I did do something, I'm gonna pick the wrong object and then bring somebody home with me.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:23

Very true. And what you having that sensitivity, like I can walk past objects. I've got objects that I brought, I purchased from antique stores, but I have such a sensitivity, I could feel if there's something connected to the object or if there's something demonic connected to the object. I won't get it. There's been investigations I've turned down because of how strong the energies are in the house and how active they are. Some I just won't take.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:52

Yeah. Uh can you talk about the Hutchison?

SPEAKER_02 2:21:56

What which one?

SPEAKER_03 2:21:57

The Hut's Hutchins. I cannot say Hutchison for the channel.

SPEAKER_04 2:22:00

Hutchison, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:00

Hutchison? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:03

Hutchison, Kansas.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:04

Yes. Can you talk about that? I'm not sure if that's going on one of your shows or not.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:08

Um, okay, what what happened with Hutchison? Because that's where my dad's from.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:12

Oh, I thought you did something there.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:16

And oh, okay. Let me think. Let me think. So when I went to Hutchison, where when my father, let me see, what did I do? Atcheson. Oh, okay. Yeah, I did Atcheson. Okay. Okay. Because that's I was gonna say Hutchison. Oh, yeah, Hutchison. Okay, but that's funny because that's where my father's from. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:36

All his family's from Hutchison. Is that the Sally House or Atchison, Kansas is at the Sally House. That's the Atchison. Okay. Yeah. It's Hudson the graveyard of emptiness.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:48

You said is Hutchison the graveyard of emptiness?

SPEAKER_03 2:22:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:51

No, Hutchison is a city in Kansas.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:53

Yeah. No, I'm saying, is there like a there's a graveyard? Is there a graveyard there that's uh what is it called? Uh Hollow Tree.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:01

There is in in Hutchison, Kansas, there is a graveyard that is coined the sad location, but there's a lot of older people in that community that are there. So there's a lot of historical and a lot of seniors from you know 1800s that are there, the whole families are there. Um, but as far as Attrison, Kansas, where I did the investigation at, it was at the Sally House. Wow. It was at the Sally House. Have you been to the Sally house?

SPEAKER_03 2:23:33

Uh I've seen it. I've never been inside of it because of the energy that I felt by the gate.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:39

You went to it. You physically went out there.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:42

I physically went there seen it. It was like, yeah, I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:45

Yeah. I I got brought into that again, Sammy Kobe. That was the first time I went. And when I went there, I had to leave the investigation. I got sick. I got sick during the investigation. I've been there for maybe 45 minutes. Me and my brother, he came with me. And but yeah, I ended up leaving. And then I got called again to go. There's something so strong, and it's multiple ones. And in the basement, they you and I know they say that it's based on this little girl. Nah, it's a lot more to that house than this little girl that they're talking about that died because of us. I think it was like a laryn, a laryncectomy or something like that. But no, it's deeper. They used to have satanic rituals in that basement. So in the basement, they painted over it, but over time the paint kind of warped, and it was a six-point star, but they used to do devil worshiping in the basement. So that's why it's so active. Also, that entire land, that land out there is Native American burial ground. And they used to have uh what is called earthlodges. They had earthlodges back in the day. All of that's Native American burial ground. And Native Americans are very particular in how they bury their dead. They have to have them in high-rise locations. They worship them to this, it's like they're offering them to the stars and the sun. And then when they bury them, they bury them very, very deep. If you get sick as a Native American, they isolate you. They'll put you in a deep dug grave, and you have to sit there till you die. So in that entire area, it used to be Earth Lodges, Native American burial grounds. There's a location called the 1889 McIntyre Villa. I did investigations there. It's right around the corner from Sally House. There's another one called the um Dilbert House, Dilgert House. That thing is infested. That thing is horrible. But Sally House is a very hot spot. It's very, very, very strong hot spot. But yeah, they call me the Sally House girl, because when networks contact me, they want me to come out there because they saw me. Like I have a documentary on Tubi um because of my investigations at the Sally House. It was through some some scariest places in America, some show. But yeah, but because of that, Sally House. Me and my girls, we're gonna go to the Sally House.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:09

I'm taking them.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:10

Uh I mean, I would say I would love to see I'm I'm not going, but I would definitely love to see it leave the energy for me, yeah, just by being that close to the house was just around for me.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:20

It's very strong.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:22

Let me ask you this.

SPEAKER_04 2:26:23

Like through throughout, wait, did you get your answer?

SPEAKER_05 2:26:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:26:27

Uh um, throughout your uh investigations and stuff like that, I know it happened to you in your own home, but does it do things happen to you while you're investigating?

SPEAKER_00 2:26:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:26:40

What's some of the uh things that have happened to you? Well, the standout things that have happened to you while investigating.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:49

So there was one investigation that I canceled on when I first walked up to the house. Whatever it was, the whatever energy that they had in that house, it was in Independence, Missouri. It scratched me across my chest and my shirt ripped. And the lady told me, I told you, whatever's here is strong and it doesn't like females. So I canceled that investigation. There's an investigation that I did in South, was it South Carolina? Yep, South Carolina at William McCorkle's uh house. It used to be a house owned by a Confederate soldier, and it was also a they had so many slaves there. It was a it was a uh military outpost. Um, when I went to that foyer when I first walked into the house, walking into the house and meeting the lady and her husband, their last name was uh Heinz Ketchup. Hines, I used to call him Heinz Ketchup, but meeting them and standing in their foyer in the center of the foyer, and when you first walk in the front entry, a big giant, gosh, it was a it was blue fire. It was an inferno of blue fire, and it just went straight through the ceiling. There, that same house, I was upstairs doing the investigation. I saw a lady pass me, and like it was a black lady, and she had on these old school cloth clothes and um what's it apron? She had on an apron, she was carrying a baby, and she comes up to me and she rushes through me and she's crying and she rushes through me. So I tip backwards and I almost fall out this lady's window because she had these big bay windows. I almost fell out the window because the lady rushed through me so fast. Trying to think of another time. They don't really, they're not as aggressive, like levitating me, like all of that stuff I went through when I was a kid. I've never experienced that in an investigation. But I have experienced being rushed through, seeing certain things, um, getting a scratch on my chest. That was the most physically damaging one was that one.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:56

So it's still they don't, some of them don't want you there.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:29:00

Just like they don't want these people in their house right now. Yes. So it ain't, you don't have to necessarily live there to be like get out.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:08

Yeah, to be under attack. Nope.

SPEAKER_04 2:29:10

Yeah, nope.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:11

You could be under attack, just like that lady that was sitting there and her cigarettes, you know, slid across the table. They don't give a shit. They don't want anything disturbing where they're at. And and that's kind of where that house was built. It was built on a burial ground. And when you're disturbing their rest, they're gonna get aggressive. They they they're gonna try to uproot you because you're not supposed to be there. But um, but yeah, that's that's the worst thing. The scratch on my chest, I was like, ah, I'm out. I can't do it, ma'am. I'm sorry. Whatever it is you're dealing with, you need to sell this fucking house and get out. You don't stay here. It's nah, nah.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:56

I don't want to ever talk to you. Whispered.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:58

Yes. I did an investigation recently with Dalen Spratt from the Ghost Brothers. This was about a month ago. And him and I went out to Asherson, Kansas. We went to the Dilgert house, and um, they all they always speak to me. They'll and it doesn't come in, it doesn't come in a summoning way. I can't be like, hey, are you here? Talk to me. What's your name? Nah. For me, it's more telepathic. So one, excuse me, one was reaching out to me, and we were downstairs in the basement area, and I started seeing, feeling these energies, hearing kids playing. And one of the voices was a little bit more mature, and it was like a woman's voice, and she kept saying, Vanessa, Vanessa. And she was getting more aggressive, and she kept saying her name, and it was almost like she was trying to get the lady that owned the house. It was almost like she was trying to get her attention. So when I went over to the lady and I'm like, I gotta stop this investigation. There's an energy here that keeps saying her name is Vanessa, and I think she's trying to get your attention. So the lady's eyes lit up. And she's like, Are you sure that's the name she says? And I'm like, I'm positive. She keeps saying Vanessa. So she takes me and Dalen upstairs. Dalen's got it all on film. I don't know when he's gonna release it, but he's gonna release it. But she takes me and Dalen upstairs and she said, Are you sure the name was Vanessa? I said, Yes, it's a Vanessa. And she said, How old do you think she is? I said, Well, she might be in her late 20s, early 30s. I don't know. She could be younger, but sometimes when energies come through, they come through as their younger self. It's not always when they how they died.

SPEAKER_06 2:31:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:30

So I said, but I don't know. It's but she sounds like she might be anywhere from a late teen to the early 30s. So then she takes out this photo and says, My sister's name is Vanessa. So I'm like, okay, well, that explains why she was being so aggressive with trying to get your attention, because it's your sister. And I was like, so your sister, you know, transitioned. She's like, Yeah, she died a year ago from a drug overdose, and they keep her ashes in the living room. So, and she did ask me questions. She said, Is she connected to the house? I said, No, she does. I don't think she's connected. I don't think she has anything to do with the house. And that was a point that I had to make to people. Sometimes the energies that are in your house are not necessarily because they died there. You know what I mean? There's energies that are connected maybe to that person or to something associated in that area, not necessarily their demise in that house. And that's a misconception, too. People always think that. Not the case. I've had some energies be. I had two sisters live in the same area, one a block away. One was in this house, and this was over off of 75th and prospect. And there's a little subdivision, there's a school, and then there's a little subdivision that sits right across from that school. I think they made it into like a blind institute or something. But she stays on one block and her sister stays on another. And they were both experiencing the same ghost in their house, and the ghost didn't die there, so it's just how's happening? You know, she's thinking she's experiencing one thing and she's no, y'all have the same energy that you're experiencing because they're doing the same things, the same name is being called out, it's the same energy, but it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:24

Have there been any stories shared with you that may have even freaked you out, or just like that's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 2:33:35

I have been a lot to freak me out, except that house in independence that freaked me out. Um there was one trying to think if this was in San Antonio. I want to say this was in San Antonio. There was one gentleman, he hadn't him and his family had just moved in the house and they bought a real nice house in San Antonio, and when they were Doing, they were doing a lot of remodeling in the house. So the construction crew, they were going and they were doing some remodeling and stuff. But their tools kept moving around. One person said he saw like a dog or a wolf or something come up from the basement and go through the house. So they installed some cameras. And they started seeing these dark shadows that look like animals running across like fast in the living room from the basement, in the living room, back and forth. They even seen one shadow meet up with the other one and then run across. I've never dealt with animals. Yeah. Like the animal spirit, I've never dealt with that. But again, depending on how severe and how strong that energy is, they can be shape shifters and they can morph into other things. Or depending on what went on in that house, too, there could have been some things that they brought over that are not traditional ghosts, like silhouette and structure. They could have brought some demonic, aggressive type animalistic demons from over. That was one that I did not take, but he did send me the footage of the little animals running across. That was creepy. I didn't take that investigation. I did go down there and take pictures of the house, but I didn't go into the house. And they sent me some footage of these dark figures. You ever seen the movie Ghost?

SPEAKER_04 2:35:37

What uh Whoopi Goldberg, Patrick Swayze's?

SPEAKER_01 2:35:41

You know those dark figures that come at the end?

unknown 2:35:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:43

Take your soul. So there were these dark figures surrounding this baby's playpen. And they had just installed cameras. And legally, in certain areas, you're not allowed to film, but there was so much going on that they started filming in these private areas because some things just weren't adding up. So they sent me the footage and there was these dark figures standing around this baby's playpen. That was some creepy shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:36:08

There was some real creepy shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:09

Well, you just kind of answered.

unknown 2:36:11

Let me grab this.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:12

So you just kind of answered my next question. Um, do you feel like that people can be beacons and they can attract or ghosts can be attacked attached to them or spirits, energies?

SPEAKER_01 2:36:26

Yes. Yeah. I I think I know people can be vessels and they can they they can either be a weaker or stronger vessel. If you are a weaker vessel, just like poultry guys, they're able to um easily attack you and attach to you, and you can carry that that um energy with you everywhere until you um until you exercise it, as they say. But and then and then there's just unfortunate vessels that you could have practiced something with somebody done like the Ouija board, and then you would, you know, unfortunately get something that latches onto you because of that association.

SPEAKER_06 2:37:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:37:11

So that's why I tell people it's you gotta be very careful what you say, what what you do. The things that you the games that you play, you know, I I know everybody with real seekers and they're they're looking for their next wow factor, what can disturb me? And but you gotta be very careful because you can attach things can easily attach themselves to you because of what you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 2:37:40

Do you believe in casters, like friendly ghosts? Or do you think they're like friendly ghosts out there?

SPEAKER_01 2:37:47

Yes, I do, and that's funny because people always associate ghosts with being bad. And they're not all bad. That's why I got levels. You know, there's one's and twos, which are grandma ghosts, and they're just active, but they're not harmful. They're just they're just present. But they don't, they're not out here to destroy you or to harm you. Um, there have been very friendly ghosts in people's houses that I've done investigation with. There's been ghosts that are protectors that um that do certain things and are around you to protect you. Or they'll I had one lady, she said, every single day there's this newspaper that comes and sits on my bed. I don't go get the newspaper, but the newspaper's on my bed because she liked to read. So that was something that one of her family members used to do. They used to get the paper. So she just sits the newspaper and she's like, you know, it's a nice ghost. It's just getting the paper for you. So, but yeah, there are there are energies that are, you know, less evasive, less aggressive, that are just active. But they're caught up in this world where there's a lot of other things going on, and they also have to, they have to establish their placement as well, because there are energies that are so strong that they can, they can, how do I put it? They can gatekeep. So in some houses, like the Sally House, Sally House has a a demonic gatekeeper, and it keeps certain energies within the house in certain sections of the house, like the doll room in the basement. It gatekeeps. And so some energies they have to succumb to higher energy forms.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:29

What do you call those? Um not the gatekeepers, but the protectors, those spirits or energies that are there to quote unquote protect.

SPEAKER_01 2:39:39

Some people call them angels, um, depending on what your religious belief is. Um I call them sometimes spiritual gatekeepers. I have a name tattoo right here, spiritual gatekeeper, because I believe I'm a spiritual gatekeeper.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:56

Um they're just more the what people will consider the angelic protectors. They're just present there.

SPEAKER_01 2:40:06

Some people say, Oh, it's your grandparents or your ancestors coming back to kind of help you and protect you from things. I definitely believe that they are they are protectors to each his own defining of what you would like to call it.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:21

So, what do you call it? So I know we're almost out of time, but like for me, I had a friend when I was six named Tony, right? Yeah. Uh me and Tony were really close. They were really my only friend, because like you, I was isolated, you know, from the house. My mom was extremely strict. Education, education, education. Uh, Tony was a next door neighbor, really, really, really close. Um, but he had a heart condition. Um not sure exactly what it was, but it was a heart condition, and that was like my only friend. Um one day he got in trouble with his father or his stepfather. I should say they were married, he wasn't his actual biological father, and he snapped and punched him in the chest. And his heart stopped. So to shock him back, he put him in a cold bath, you know, to wake him up. Yeah, you know, so he's in their cold bath and this and this, and he slips, hits his head, and busts it completely open, then he dies. Um then my mom breaks the news to me. I'm five. I don't really quite understand the idea of death, you know. So, um, but I've noticed that when I'm in, let's say, when I'm in certain relationships and I find myself in a bad situation, or if I lose my temper, things happen.

SPEAKER_00 2:41:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:40

You know, like there was one time we got into a heated argument, and I got so mad that um we had this, these big giant um stone little wedges I was putting for the fireplace. They're about 75 pounds a box. There was two stacked on top on top of each other, and I got super upset and it just fell down and slid across the room. But it's 75 pounds. Um there's times where we could probably be sitting here, we can be arguing or something like that, and out of nowhere you just hear a big smack on the table, but we're far from the table.

SPEAKER_05 2:42:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:17

What would you call those kind of entities?

SPEAKER_02 2:42:25

Those are I don't know, I will probably put them in a category number three.

SPEAKER_01 2:42:31

And considering okay, run that back again so I can I can get a better idea.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:41

There was an instance, this and this is right here, this is the worst out of all of them. Um we were, we just had my daughter, um, and she was going through uh what do you call that? Um uh is that depression?

SPEAKER_01 2:42:57

Um paramenopause, not uh perimenopause, but uh postpartum.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:01

There we go. She was going through postpartum and um really, really huge fight. It was all about waking up and getting her getting her bottle, something very small. Um eventually everything got settled down. She went to sleep, and then she said when she woke up, she seen a small figure of a boy standing at the head of her head, at the head of the bed where she was, because she flipped over, but she could not move, and he just stood there and just watched her, and she could not move, and then eventually went away and then she got up and then she woke me up about it.

SPEAKER_02 2:43:38

So you said what what would those type of energies be?

SPEAKER_01 2:43:42

What would I consider the thing?

SPEAKER_03 2:43:44

Never harmed me, never get anything, but it's always when I find myself in an angry state, he's more active.

SPEAKER_02 2:43:55

I would say because they feed on your energy.

SPEAKER_01 2:43:59

So majority of the time, these energy forces, if you're disturbing a certain um temperament, then it can make them more responsive. So, like for example, when I go into any investigation, I do a cleansing of myself, I do a prayer, I do um, I just have to cleanse myself emotionally because once I go in there, they can gravitate and latch on to whatever emotional state of mind that I'm in. So if you are experiencing those emotional disruptions and shifts and the energy is present for that, it might heighten based on your energy. It might become more active. In itself, it may not be, it might be a docile style energy, but once you activate certain things, because if it is really attached to you, it's feeding off of the different volumes of energy and output that you're giving. So then it's gonna magnify and quantify based on your temperament. So once you start dialing down that aggressiveness, you know, because once we get worked up, it's just we our heart rate increases, everything magnifies in our energy, even our our skin starts to, you know, give off this radiation. And that is an energy source that they extract. So you have to, you have to level yourself out to keep them at a reasonable, energetic reception. Because it at the end of the day, all of these energy forms, whether it is ghosts, people consider ghosts, spirits, um, demons, all of them are feeding off of the kinetics of our force field. And we are energy, we are compromised of energy and water, but ultimately we're energy and we're recycled energy. So if you if you understand like um reincarnation, how things recycle themselves. It's all energy, it's just coming back and reverting into a different form, sometimes some stronger than others. So you ever felt like you was in a room and your energy was stable? But when you feel like your energy shifted a little bit, you could tell like other people, and it's not like you said anything. Yeah, it's not like you spoke it, yeah, but your energy just got a little different and it affected other people, or you could feel the energy of somebody else. That's kind of the same thing, it's the same kinetic. They can feel that. Did that make sense? That makes sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:46:31

Do you uh were you still gonna do that?

SPEAKER_01 2:46:33

Oh no, now you're dead.

SPEAKER_04 2:46:34

Uh do you believe and forgive me if you asked her this already? And forgive me if you made mention of this already. Uh, do you do you believe people actually can have full-on audible conversations with ghosts? Do you do do you believe?

SPEAKER_01 2:46:50

I do believe they can. It depends, it's it depends on the level of their sensitivity.

SPEAKER_06 2:46:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:46:56

I can't have full-on audible conversations, and the the information and words that come to me are in like spurts. It's it's it's never it's never a full, complete sentence. It's it's words, it's scramble sometimes. And I gotta kind of make sense of it like a spirit box. You ever heard of those spirit boxes where the words will come through like death, get out, you know, it's scramble because it's trying to come through a different realm of energy receptor. Well, it's trying to come through a different energy field to our receptive field, and it's not always the same type of communication. So um, I do believe some might be able to telepathically, um, depending on the essence of their sensitivity. Some might be able to sit and have conversations with other energies. I don't know the depths of those conversations, like if it's scramble or if it's an actual, yes, I went to the park today and I got a flower from the flower. You know, if it's that or if it's more broken.

SPEAKER_04 2:47:57

Okay. And I'm not necessarily saying the people that are in your field or connected fields. I'm talking about like just you come into that, you come into here right now, and I'm sitting here just hollering at somebody, and y'all looking at me crazy, but I'm really like hollering at this spirit or this energy.

SPEAKER_01 2:48:15

Yeah. So there was another person that had, she was having a full-blown conversation with an energy, didn't even know that it wasn't real, but she was she was she thought it was a real person. She was sitting in a cafe and they were having a full conversation. And on camera, she's sitting there having a conversation with somebody that she thought was real.

SPEAKER_04 2:48:37

So she actually sees this thing that we don't see.

SPEAKER_01 2:48:40

That nobody else sees. Like I said, there's different people and different sensitivity levels. So, but she's sitting there and they caught it on camera because they started having other people complain about the energy in their in their shop, in their cafe. And then she's like, Yeah, I had a conversation with a woman in a cafe, and then they had it on film film, her talking. She was like, I had a full-on conversation.

SPEAKER_04 2:49:01

And she seems completely sane.

SPEAKER_01 2:49:03

She seems completely sane, completely sane, at least from the aspect that I was able to observe, but she didn't seem disconnected or disassociated.

SPEAKER_04 2:49:13

But yeah, you can. And one more, and then we'll close out. You're good. As far as uh, and you you I this not mean this not meaning that you were necessarily scared or freaked out, but any of the conversations of on your podcast have any of them gave you chills? Have you got chills from hearing it?

SPEAKER_02 2:49:34

Like Yes, yes, I did get chills.

SPEAKER_01 2:49:38

There's a young man, um, he sold my daughter her car actually, and he came and did an interview. And he was explaining to me about this energy that's in this basement when he was a kid, and how it kept presenting itself to him. But this night he was downstairs and he stays in the basement because there's no other rooms, and it's kind of like one of those, one of those semi, um, semi, um, how do you how do you say it? It's not a concrete basement, semi-finished is what I'm going for. So he had his bed, didn't have no headboard and none of that, and he's he's facing this TV. And he says he's looking at this TV, the TV comes on, and then this creature crawls out the TV, and he's got that state of paralysis, like you were explaining, and he can't get up. But the creature crawls and it's it looks like the static in the TV, and it's hovering over him, and it's just there, and it's growling over him. I got chills because it reminded me of the things that happened when I was a kid in those energy forms, but the way that he described it, and his is not on there yet, but I'm gonna be putting his on there. But the way he described it gave me chills. Yeah, it it's and it reminded me of the movie Poltergeist, too. But and I'm doing an interview with the lady that owned the house next weekend.

SPEAKER_04 2:51:03

Man, yeah. So y'all know what goes on on that if you're interested in hearing that kind of stuff. It should be it should be plenty, plenty for words.

SPEAKER_05 2:51:13

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:51:15

Um, we we're about to close out. So, are there any words you got for the people like to leave us marked out? Words for the minds and the hearts.

SPEAKER_01 2:51:22

You know, um, this is what I would leave everybody with. Don't be afraid to be yourself. And life is going to bring you all things that you might question. Trust yourself. And even if you have to stand alone in your journey, even if you gotta stand there by yourself, just be willing to stand. Even if you don't have nobody else with you, sometimes you gotta be the poster child for truth.

SPEAKER_04 2:51:57

Okay, hopefully we can get you back here again for because I I I feel like I feel like this is gonna be one of those ones where people are gonna have plenty more questions. This time around, I'll have questions that they probably want us to ask or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 2:52:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:52:11

But the goal is to leave a lasting imprint on their minds and their hearts from crazy been indelible, March. Appreciate you coming.

SPEAKER_00 2:52:18

Absolutely. Thank you.

unknown 2:52:22

Thank you.