Avalon Gangster Crip Charged With 5 Murders At 16 | Akasha Williams Pt. 2

Akasha Williams At only 16 years old, ​⁠  says he was charged with five first-degree murders, two kidnappings, two counts of disposing of bodies, and five armed criminal actions.
In Part 2 of his Indelibly Marked testimony, Akasha Williams opens up about being homeless as a teenager, surviving the streets, getting charged as a juvenile, facing life in prison, and how one case changed the direction of his life forever.
Akasha also speaks on what he says really happened, the pressure police put on his family, being certified as an adult, and the moment he realized that street life had only left him with a life sentence.
This is not a glorification of violence. This is a raw testimony about trauma, survival, street culture, accountability, prison, consequences, and the painful reality of being raised in environments where violence becomes normal.
Guest: Akasha Williams
Episode: Story Pt. 2
Show: Indelibly Marked
Network: Indelible Arts Network
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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:07

Forty-five days after my sixteenth birthday, I got charged with five first degree murders, two kidnappings, two disposing of a bodies, and five ACAs.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Anyway, when you let's talk about when you start talking.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

How often did you end up getting locked up when you was uh, because you probably did juvenile and so the the the the the juvenile so the juvenile thing came about because my mama had met a dude, right? So I got locked up for I think I got caught in a stolen car or something like that, right? And I got locked up, and I was at this place called Hilltop for like four months. And while I'm at Hilltop, my mama meets this white dude. And I'm coming home damn near every weekend. I and they live together, but I've never seen this nigga. You know what I'm saying? So when I come home, this nigga's basically leaving for the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Like when you say, you say you you were in juvenile and coming home every weekend.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

So my mama got a live-in boyfriend that she's engaged to, right? I don't know nothing about this nigga, right? White nigga, right? I don't know nothing about him. But I'm coming home on the weekends. But when I come home on the weekends, she's telling him to leave. So there's no traces that he lives here when I don't know this dude exists on no type of level, right? Okay. Because mind you, my mama knows, got the mental health. I'm always fighting. You know, I mean, she's hearing rumors about stuff going on. Me and my uncle. She was in LA. She was around my uncle. So when she called, ah, he with his uncle, he with his uncle, he with his, like, what the hell is this boy out there doing? Because I know, but I ain't getting high. I ain't a, I ain't a, I ain't a geek or nothing. So she like, man, it's only two things his uncle does, man. You know, so that's get high and and and do the other shit, do crazy shit. So so she can only assume, you feel me? So she's trying to hide this dude. And as I got older, I realized what it was. She wanted to be happy, she wanted a dude, but in her mind, she's like, ain't no dude gonna want to be with me. And I got a son that's trying to kill himself, that got mental health issues, that has real serious issues. So she's trying to keep the two worlds from colliding. So the day I come home is the day I meet this nigga. And my mama, mind you, it's a white nigga, so I'm already like, man, I don't do this white people shit. You know what I'm saying? Uh, because I up until this point in my life, I ain't never been around no, I don't want to say it, but I ain't never been around no good white people. Only thing I know white people is them teachers that was playing with my name and the police. So, uh, because LA is segregated in my hood, and white people's houses we was breaking into. But uh so I meet him and she's like, you gotta do what he says. What? I don't even do what you say. And you my mama. Like, he the man in the house, you gotta do what he says. Like, yeah, I don't know how you think that's gonna work out. So literally, like two weeks later, my mama like, hey, we don't want you no more. This is February, it's cold as shit. She kicked me out. You know what I mean? She told me to get out the house. She chose her white man over her black boy. So I'm literally homeless. And this is another reason why all that burglary shit wasn't cracking on. I had to man up real quick. So now I'm with my older homies, is letting me stay at their house. So, but then my mama, she turned around and called the police and tell them I ran away from home. So now the police is looking for me for the bird for the burglaries and this running, this uh uh juvenile runaway shit. And so now when they come through the hood, they got a different tool that they use. Like, well, if we catch you with him, you're gonna go to jail for kidnapping because he's a runaway. And if you harbor a runaway juvenile, it's like it's it's kidnapping in the state of Missouri. So now everybody, ah now you can't stay over here kidnapping is serious, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like when they was looking for you for the burgers, they can't do nothing to us because they looking for you. But now they talking about if we with you, it's kidnapping. So I'm literally like sleeping in vacant houses. You know what I'm saying? In abandoned cars. I might be able to sneak in and out of one of the homies' house, a girl house here and there. But uh this went on for a minute. And what had happened was one of my homies from the hood had moved to St. Joseph, Missouri. And he got in tour with some niggas and he came back to the hood looking for some guns. And he bumped into me. Everybody knows I like guns. You know what I'm saying? I have guns everywhere. I like, I always had a thing for guns. So he's like, cuz I need some heat, this and this, and this. I'm like, where are you being? Nigga, ain't nobody seen you like two years. Oh man, we moved to St. Joe, something, something, something. So I'm telling him my situation, he's telling me his. I end up in St. Joe. You know what I mean? I was like one of the first niggas from Kansas City in St. I'm not saying I was the first, but I'm like one of the first niggas that was in Kansas, from Kansas City that was in St. Joe. Like up there on Cutthroat shit. You know what I mean? So I go up there and I'm robbing everything moving in St. Joe. You know what I'm saying? Like the burglar shit is over with it. I'm snatching niggas up, robbing niggas, all of that. I'm taking full advantage of these niggas. Uh, but then I'm coming from St. Joe and I come back to Kansas City one day, and the police just so happened to grab my ass. I can't remember how they got me. I think they got me coming out to Eminem Baker, because that's in my hood. They get me, right? And uh, because the monitor's still looking for me for the runaway thing. So when they get me, man, I did some of the dumbest shit he can ever do, man. I don't know how I did that. I was supposed to be laced tighter than that. They asked me, where your mama at? I'm like, I don't know, man. I ain't seen my mama in five months. Custody of the state. You know what I'm saying? Ah yeah, nigga, we got us once. So custody of the state. They sent me to a foster home or ran away. Send me to a group home. You can't send me anywhere where the doors and windows aren't securely locked. Because I know how to get in the windows and in the doors, I know how to get out these motherfuckers. So uh, and the only reason they was able to keep me in Oz and I mean, they know locked doors, is because they program was so engaging that I didn't even have time to think about running away. You literally got up, went to Breakfast, went to school, came from school, then you went to your sports. So you either play it with basketball season, everybody uh playing basketball, football, everybody playing. I liked it. You know what I mean? I was having fun, so that's the only reason I didn't run away from there. But every other place, yeah, I'm getting up out of here. You know what I'm saying? I'm getting up out of here. And I didn't like ozing them, per se, but it kept me engaged. You know what I'm saying? It kept me distracted from I didn't have enough time to think about my escape plan.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

And at that time when you were staying in the vacant homes, you didn't really have no money like that for real, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Nah, my whole my whole thing was I'm robbing you. I'm robbing anything. Like, that's why I ended up liking DMX when I got older, because I read his, learned his story. I had the dog, him and the dog would rob niggas. I'm robbing you, I'm robbing everything. I remember one time I seen a nigga smoking a blunt, up the shotgun on him, and took the blunt out of his mouth, and he didn't even have no money. But I just done became so upset. Whenever I do something or I say I'm gonna do something, I become obsessive with it. So if I say I'm robbing everything, I'm robbing it.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

Would you say that was the silliest, like the pettiest robbery right there? The blunt.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

I know I was just really being funny. Yeah, I didn't, I don't even, I told you I don't even smoke weed. Like, I don't do drugs like that. I was just doing it. I was immature, I was a kid. We pulled up to a gas station, he had her smoking the blunt. I said, Man, this bitch ass nigga. And just hopped out. I had a shotgun, I hopped out, pulled, look, give me this nigga.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

No, my boy can't enjoy his blunt, bro. He said, It wasn't legal then. Look at this bitch ass nigga.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

It wasn't legal then. He shouldn't have been doing that.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

Yo, bro. But standing and back and on you, you never feel like lonely at these moments.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

Your mama didn't put you out and all this stuff, and you really that shit just added an extra layer to my savagery. Like I said, I was already not really giving a fuck about living. Now I'm like, damn, don't nobody care about me. Like, I got something for the whole world. No one gives a fuck about me. I don't give a fuck about nothing to nobody. And that still is like that kind of somewhat to this day. But it's not, it's not with the anger, it's just with the passion and the focus on my ambition. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

I understand that. And where'd you from juvenile to what was the next thing that got you locked up?

SPEAKER_00 9:40

So when I actually got locked up for the murders, I was a juvenile. Yeah, I was 16. I was 16 when I caught all them cases. So 45 days after my 16th birthday, I got charged with five first-degree murders, two kidnappings, two disposing of a bodies, and five ACAs. So I had three singles and a double. And the double was involved in a kidnapping, and then somebody put the body, threw their bodies away. So now here's the thing. I did not commit these crimes. Did I know about these crimes? Yeah. Was I involved in these crimes? No, not all of them. But what it was was I'm the youngest. I'm 16. So in the police mind, we get him, we call his mama, his mom, they think they about the first 48 me, right? So they like, uh, we get his mama, tell her, we're gonna hit your son with all these crimes, unless you convince him to let us know who did what, what happened. They called my mama, she came in the room. No, no, no, no, no. She didn't call the police. Because they came to her when they looking for me. It was like, your son just killed all these people. And then a chick, baby daddy, so this chick from my neighborhood, her baby daddy got killed. She goes to my mama and was like, bird killed my baby daddy. Then the police come like, yo, your son just killed all these people, where is he at, right? So my mama, like, all right, I'm gonna help y'all get it. So she basically set me up. She lined me up, the police get him. So when the police get me, uh the day that the night that they get me, they can't interrogate a juvenile without their parent being present. So they call my mama. My mama comes in the room, they read me my rights, all of that shit. And they like, uh, you want to make a statement? I'm like, man, I want to see my lawyer. They're like, all right, you want to ask your mama something? And I wish I wouldn't have done that. I said, man, did you tell the police where I was at? She was like, yeah. I said, man, take me back to my cell. That was it. You know, that was the only statement I ever had. And the reason I say I wish I wouldn't have done that, because I hate the fact that they got that one line in my goddamn discovery, me asking her, did she tell the police I was at? Y'all don't get nothing off on me. You know what I'm saying? So they hit me with all these cases. Uh, and they knew damn well I didn't I didn't commit these cases. But they thing was to create an uproar. That's what they'll do. They'll make the case look way worse, or the person look way worse than what it is to get the whole community to go against them. And then you tell on this nigga, because you like, damn, he did all of that. And they like, ah, we ain't got that nigga for none of that shit. Because I end up only getting found guilty of one crime, of one, of one murder. You know what I'm saying? And they end up, as soon as I got certified, they dropped all that shit. So I got locked up when I was 16. Uh, I got certified probably like three months later. And when I'm in the the city jail, hey, it's a funny story. So it's a funny story, right? So when I go to the city jail, mind you, I've never been a little nigga, even when I was a little nigga. When I'm 12, I'm like 5'8, like 170 something pounds. So when I get locked up, I'm like 6'1 ⁇ , like 220, 230. And I always had a little facial hair. So when they send me, this is when the uh the city jail was on top of the police headquarters. So they put me in a separate cell from uh the adults. So I'm like in the cell, then it's like the holding thing. And it's a nigga over here, and he's basically he's fucking with me. You know what I'm saying? He's he's going out his way to get in my way. And he like, damn, what why they got you over there? What's that PC? You over there, you suppose that's a little hallway, right? And I'm like, nah. But why they got you over there then? Boy, I said, man, shit, probably because I'm young. They're like, nah, they like nigga, you don't look young. Nigga, tell them to put you over here, nigga. Come over here with us, nigga. You know what I'm saying? So ain't nobody gonna do nothing to you, so so so. And mind you, I'm always chilled. And when I get mad, I get real calm. I might start smiling because in my mind, I'm like, I'm about to fuck you up, nigga. You know, it's like, okay, nigga, you think I'm scared? Like, and they put me over there, nigga. I'm fucking your bitch ass up, nigga. Bad, nigga. I'm taking all your Danishes and bologna sandwiches, nigga. So uh he keeps just going out his way, fucking with me. So then uh the police come, they read me all my charges. They call my name. I come up to the bars, he said, yeah, man, uh, you've been charged with first degree murder, some, some, some arm criminal action, first degree murder, some, some, some arm criminal action, first degree murder, some, some, some arm criminal action, kidnapping, disposing of a body. Second degree, first degree murder, some, some, some. Your bond is three million dollars cash. Dude sitting there looking, like, damn. So then I see him looking at me, and I tell the police, I say, hey man, won't you put me over there with them? He like, I can't do that because you're a juvenile. I said, I'm cool, man. You can put me over there with them. You just read me these grown ass nigga charges. I want to go over there with the grown-up niggas. I know they about to come with these Danishes. I'm about to beat this nigga ass and take all his Danishes. So he's like, nah, I can't put you over there. So he walked off. I just remember looking at dude. Like, boy, you won't put me over there, cuz. And I just sat down. But that was funny to me.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

After you was going there when he what he started reading them charges, dude. What's the hope he like?

SPEAKER_00 15:32

Yeah, he curved up real quick. Yeah, nigga, you probably ain't here for speeding or something. Nigga, I'm gonna fuck your bitch ass up. They put me over here, man.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

So, and you said they ended up dropping all the charges.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Yeah, so so they read me the charges. Then they take me to the county. Uh, when I go to the county, I get a rain. They drop, they read me the charges, and literally, like the next day, two days later, they drop four of them. They dropped four cases, and and and one of the cases was the double murder, the double kidnapping, and then the two singles. And they just hit me with one first degree murder, one armed criminal action.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

And how much did you time did you have to do?

SPEAKER_00 16:15

They, so I had for first, for first degree murder in Missouri, you either get the death penalty or life without. So when I went to trial for the uh for the murder, they found me with a less included offense, which was second-degree murder, armed criminal action. They gave me life in three rank and current. They gave me a life sentence when I was 18. When you heard that, would you, how'd you feel? Truthfully, when I when I heard it, I felt dumb. Because I'm like, man, all this gangster shit. I remember sitting in the courtroom after they sentenced me. Everybody left for whatever reason, I was just in there by myself. I mean, it was the police, but everybody else was gone. I remember it's like, man, all this gangster shit. This is all I got to show for. The fucking life sentence, man. This is some bullshit. Fuck. That shit was a waste of time. Then they hauled me off to the penitentiary. What was that ride like for you? Well, going to the joint? Yeah. So I got a funny story. So I got a funny story, right? All right, so this is funny, man. This is for this is this is a true story. So before you go to the penitentiary, you gotta go to diagnostic. Okay. And they they run a whole bunch of different little shit on you. Uh they run me, I think they inject you with some shit to help you adjust the jail. I don't know, but that could just be my conspiracy theory. But they do a whole bunch of little tests, you know what I mean, check where your health is, HIV, all this, uh, any uh diabetes, all this sort of shit. So you might be in diagnostic between like two weeks to two months, depending on how fast. They check your educational level and all of that shit. Because my educational score ended up being high, they hurry up and got me. Yeah, I was only in diagnostic for like two or three weeks. So some niggas have been there for months.

SPEAKER_03 17:57

Really?

SPEAKER_00 17:57

So uh they send me to the joint, they send me to the pen. They send me to the old walls in Jefferson City. Mind you, if people look up the old walls at one point in time, this was the bloodiest 40 acres in the world.

unknown 18:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Or some shit like that, right? I remember they told me the story, they said one year in the walls, it was 11 murders in the joint. I say 11 murders in the penitentiary. It's only 12 months in a year. What the fuck do these niggas do take off for Christmas? Or Ramadan or something? These niggas killed the nigga every month, and that's a lot. Because you a nigga get killed in the penitentiary, they'll lock the cab down for two, three weeks. So that means, damn, nigga, you niggas is killing niggas every time they finally let y'all up for killing a nigga, or they wasn't locking y'all down and just letting y'all kill each other. So uh when you go into the old walls, it's a wall. The wall only looks like it's about five or six feet high. But then it's just a drop. And that wall get high as a motherfucker when you get down to the bottom of that hill. But when you pull up to the uh gate, uh you know you're in the school bus. We all shackled the handcuff. And the CEO, like, hey, we need all y'all to look to the sign on your left and the sign on your right. So it's a big ass sign on each side. The sign say the same thing. Depending on what side of the bus you're on, you're gonna look at that side. It says, Welcome to MSP, leave all your hopes and dreams behind. So I remember looking at that, I was like, that's some hell of a shit. And they tell you to make sure that you look at this, right? So we go in, we go down. Now, this is the funny story, right? So when I come in there, Major, I'm 18. I always had long hair and shit. So, like how my hair is now all curly and cute and shit. I had braids, but back then, when you used to uh get transferred from one prison to another, they'll make you take your braids out. Because niggas are high dope and knives and all type of shit in their hair. So Major, my braids is out, and uh my father's grandmother is so I'm I'm a I'm a Native American, you know what I mean? Like I'm Chick-taw, Choctaw, Native. And it's crazy because to this day, my ancestors still own the land that they own slaves on in Arkansas. So Native Americans also own black slaves, you know what I mean? So, and I'm saying that to say, like, my hair all wavy and cute looking like I got Indian in my family, because I do. Uh I ain't got no bunch of facial hair. I'm tall, I'm slim. I can just imagine, like, to these, to these, these, these old predatorial ass niggas, like, damn, that nigga look like Naomi Campbell with the wavy hair. He tall and slim, you feel me?

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Naomi Campbell.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

Yeah, so so when I come in, it's like a uh back then white shirts was like sergeants, lieutenants, and captains. They changed the color, they uniforms. So it's a white shirt. And I remember they gave me my little locker and shit. And I'm putting my locker up. It's probably like seven or eight other niggas with me and shit. Some white niggas too. So uh a white shirt walked past, and nigga double back. He look at me. He came in the room that we like, hey you come here, killer. I'm like, what's up? Where's your ID? When you go to join, they give you an ID and shit. Like, man, where's your ID? I gave him my ID, he looked at it. He said, 84. Mind you, this is 2003. He said, 84. He said, man, how old is you, man? I said, man, I'm 18. That nigga looked me up and down. And he said, man, them boys gonna fuck you in your ass when you hit that walk. I said, what? He said, yeah, man, you got this hair. You ain't got no facial hair. I mean your skin all soft. He said, man, you wanna get fucked in your ass? I said, man, why you fucking me and my ass? He said, man, they gonna, them boys gonna fuck you, man. They're gonna run in your cell and they're gonna fuck you. I said, no, they not. And he said, hey, man, make sure you get you some, make sure you get a knife. I don't know if I can say that on the thing or not, but you know, man, make sure you get a knife. I'm like, all right, so if you get caught with that knife, you tell them Lieutenant Captain, whatever the fuck he was, such and such told you to get a knife so you don't get fucked in your ass. I'm like, all right. Nigga walk off. So they take me from Where I was getting the lockers at to the uh to the housing unit. Now, you ever seen Shaw Shank Redemption? This is exactly how the old walls look. It's like a long-ass walk with probably like 20-something sales, 20, 30, 40 sales, and it's hella high up. You know what I'm saying? When you go in there, you just be looking. This is all sales. You know what I'm saying? And you just got niggas. So they bring new people in. They call them RO's reception orientation. They bring them in on Tuesdays and Thursdays. So every Tuesday, every Thursday, you know, anytime somebody comes on the bottom walk in this wing, they just came to the penitentiary. Right? So it's niggas yelling, hey, that nigga right there with the hair, I'm fucking him. Hey, boy, I'm gonna fuck you. As soon as they pop this, I'm fucking you, young nigga, uh. And the only thing that's on my mind is what this lieutenant said. I said, damn, that nigga one line, man. I'm about to fuck one of these niggas up. They try to fuck me. I ain't going for it. Y'all got me fucked up. So then I get in my cell, and probably like 30 minutes later, they pop all the doors for uh for Chow for main line. So it's like four or five hundred niggas coming out. I don't know which one of these niggas is yelling that shit. I'm looking at everybody. Any nigga push up on me from the rear. I'm I'm gonna shine. I'm gonna have to look like I league because y'all don't know I can fight this good. But yeah, that was like my first error in the joint. Oh, yeah, yeah, I almost forgot. So then right after that, I go to the chow hall and the nigga stab a white nigga in the neck with a lawnmower blade. As soon as I come in the chow hall, my first day in the blade, like the blade that's on the bottom of a lawnmower to cut the grass. Because it's line, you it's lawnmowers to cut the grass, to cut the yarn. And what they'll do is they'll break a blade. You know, the lawnmower is one long blade. They'll break one side so it can still cut. It'll still turn and it'll still cut the grass. I ain't no CO gonna be looking up on there. The thing, and the for whatever fuck reason, they gave the worst penitentiary in the world a metal plant. So they got the little thing that you push and it spin and you can sharpen metal on it, because they they make uh license, they used to make license plates. So these niggas will break the bottom of the lime or blade, sharpen it, and this is what they'll go to war with. So, ah yeah. So I come in the penitentiary, right? I'm tripping over all these niggas saying they're gonna do something to me with this lieutenant. So I'm walking like a rooster, my chest sound, I'm sagging all the way down to my knees. I'm hella tough. Uh so I go into child hall, and I remember like I ain't eating that shit, cuz, because when you come into child hall, everything is sectioned off. Everybody got a section. So you got the crib section, you got the blood section, you got the Kansas City Crip section, the St. Louis Crip section, the blood, the Kans City blood section, the Muslims, you got the Nation of Islam, the uh the uh the Morrisons Temple, uh who else? And then you got Al Islam, you got the white boys, uh, you got the Aryan Nation, you got all everything is sectioned off. And my nigga told me, like, bro, this is your seat. You can't sit in no other seat as long as you here, other than this seat. Was it your homie before the right nigga or something? Since since since uh like third grade, it's on 12th street, nigga. So he like uh, this is your seat. You can't sit in no other seat with this seat, nigga. You sit in any other seat, these niggas will kill you over that shit. So what? See, these niggas pay. It's like, nah, cuz you gotta think, nigga, a nigga been in here 40 years. Been sitting in this same seat three times a day for 40 years. Nigga, he don't got nothing else. That nigga's tripping over this seat. And then niggas will sit in certain seats so they can see. It's it's strategic. Like I sit here, everybody that's behind me is my homeboy. I don't gotta watch none of them, and I can see everything I need to see. So he's like, all right. So I remember putting my foot up on the seat, because I'm like, I ain't sitting down, nigga. Because my uncle told me, nigga, you don't sit down in the joint, then you stand up, nigga. You stay on your toes, stay on your feet. Like, all right, all right. Nigga, I ain't eating that shit, cuz I don't eat no state food, nigga. I put my foot up on the thing. And a nigga like, man, that nigga over there tripping, right? I'm like, who that nigga not be tripping over here, cuz something, something, something, something, bro. I'm tough, right? So I look over, it's a white nigga sitting in the, I mean, it's a black nigga sitting in the white nigga section, right? And he got on the hoodie and he just bent down looking hella scandalous and shit. So the homes keep saying he's tripping, he's tripping or whatever, right? I'm like, that nigga better not come over here tripping. So then his target comes in, he stabbed, boom. I swear to God, this is a true story, man. This shit is funny now. Every time that nigga stabbed him, man, I got less tough with every stab, right? So he hit him, boom, my foot came off the thing. Right? So I'm like, mind you, I'm standing like this with my foot on the stove. He hit him.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

I said, damn.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Right. He hit him again, my chest is kind of right. He hit him again, I'd have sat down. Nigga hit him again, I'd have pulled my tray in front of him. Nigga hit him again, I'm like this. By the time he threw, I'd have got my head down. Uh and I'm like, cuz where the law lay at, man. Because I don't think I'm my mouth, I gotta win this appeal and get the hell up out of here, man. I ain't even getting stabbed. He broke my whole spirit. I left that child, my back was slumped up, I'd have pulled my pants up and shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

This was all in the first day.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

This was my first day in the uh old walls, man. Did your homie see you start to die down a little bit? Like, I don't think cuz peeed it. I'm glad he didn't, man. I don't think he peeed it though. Because he's still talking like man, nigga fuck Tim Wilson. He been here though. You know what I mean? He he he he been here for about a year already. The old walls, man. That motherfucker, boy. It was that was that shit was treacherous, bro.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

And it it it's a part of the politics for everybody just stand there and just watch, just man. The old walls was treacherous, bro.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Like it was it was fucked up back there. Like, like for real, bro. It was fucked up. Like it's a hell of a thing when you sitting in your cell and next to you, man, three niggas run in the nigga's cell and they take his manhood, bro. And it was so crazy because the walls is just like a sheet of metal. So it's like my bunk and your bunk is connected, but then it's just a sheet of metal. So while they're in here wrestling this fool down and doing what they, I can feel it. My bunk is moving. You know what I'm saying? In the middle of the night. And you just got to just get up out your bunk. Like, man, let them niggas do what they do as long as they ain't doing it to me.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

You know what I mean? That with that, yeah. Old walls was treacherous, man.

SPEAKER_02 28:45

Yeah, it seemed like a lot of dudes was yelling for you, though, like when they seen you, like, so nobody ever attempted it.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Hell nah. So, so somebody had told me something when I was in the county. Uh, and I still stick with that to this day. It's all about how you present yourself. Period, man. And the penitentiary is all about how you present yourself. So by me, I got a high intellect. Didn't nobody know that. You know what I'm saying? I went to all foreign language schools and they was calling me a CEO. I was going to foreign language schools. I could speak like seven different fucking languages. You know what I'm saying? Nobody knows this. You know what I'm saying? Well, I can't speak and I'd have forgotten the shit, but I can watch a French movie and tell you this what they're doing, this is what's going on. Uh so then nobody knows I was hella smart. So I knew coming into the joint, it's two things a nigga got to be able to do simultaneously to beat me. You got to be able to outfight me and outthink me at the same time. Because if you can outfight me, I'm gonna outthink you. And if you can outthink me, I'm gonna have you so scared of me beating your ass that you ain't gonna have time to think about nothing other than me. I hope this nigga don't take off on me. And that's how I was able to maneuver through without nothing ever happened to me. But it's all about how you present yourself. I presented myself as a stand-up nigga. Mind you, I'm the only nigga that's 16 with no co-defendants. Usually when you hear about a nigga that's 15, 16, 17 catching a case, it's about five of them. Niggas pay attention to that. Like, well, you ain't got no, you ain't got to call him a rap pot. Well, you ain't got no rap pot. I'm like, nah, I'm on my shit by myself. That automatically, like, damn, this little nigga was just putting in work by himself. Like, I don't need to go get nobody. If I didn't need to go get nobody on the street, I damn sure don't need to go get nobody in jail. So uh I didn't, I couldn't, I didn't tell on nobody there was nothing to tell by myself. You know what I'm saying? And then just I didn't play no games. I learned early on what not to do. Like I said, that gangster shit is what not to do. Like I don't play, I never, I didn't play basketball. I didn't play cards. One thing I learned, niggas in jail play all day. That's all they do. Everything they do is gonna start with play. Hey, but what you do? I'm about to go play basketball. What you do? I'm on the phone playing this bitch. Hey man, what you do? I'm about to go play a ticket. I don't know, I'm about to go play spades, I'm about to go. These niggas is always fucking playing, man. So I didn't play none of the games. To this day, I don't know how to play spades or dominoes, man. A female told me I need to get my black card revoked because I don't know how to play spades. I just never had no reason to. Niggas get into it on the spade table. So I'm not playing spades. Niggas get into it on the basketball course, I'm not playing basketball, niggas get into it on a handball course, I'm not fucking playing handball. So if I get into it with you, that means we both driving down this highway. Nigga, you done crossed over five or six different lanes to cut me off. And like I said, man, I can live with whatever it is I'ma do to you if you fucking with me.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

So when you come over here and you cut me off, and we get into it on some penitentiary shit. I'm still remembering what that white shirt told me to get you a knife. And my whole time in penitentiary, I kept knives, I kept 100 knives. Niggas, I was the knife niggas. I'll break something down so quick and make a knife. They better not like the little things, uh, like the little pots that you put the water in, like the little plastic joints, uh the boy pitchers. Yeah, that's a plastic knife. I'm about to hurry up, break that, sharpen it up. My uncle was showing me how to make shanks on the street. Yeah, niggas, I used to make shanks in a joint. Like, all right. So, but yeah, now it's all about how you present yourself. And I didn't, I didn't allow myself to get in the mix because a lot of times when that stuff be happening, man, it's because dudes are put themselves in a position from gambling or playing basketball or doing something. I never put myself in that position. So I never I never had nobody come to me with no type of sexual in the window, yeah, nothing. I never had none of them type of issues. If I would have, I wouldn't even made it back to the streets, man. I ain't even gonna hold you. I would have snapped.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

You familiar with Ali Sadiq? Who? Ali Sadiq, the comedian?

SPEAKER_00 33:20

No, I ain't got it.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

He got a uh he he he got a Mexican got on boots story. He tell it, but he talked about how he had to go get, they was telling him you gotta go get a knife for this this riot between the Mexicans and uh that's about to pop off. And he had a it was a knife dude he had to go to. And it's all different types of knives. He asked you how you want your knife. Do you want it like this? Do you want it like, was you that knife dude, that type of knife, dude?

SPEAKER_00 33:47

Like, nah. So here's the thing. I'm making these knives for me. I'm not selling you no knife. Because if I sell, it's like on the street, I'm not selling no gun. I sell you this knife, it might get used against me. So when I'm making these knives, it's for me. My thing was I want a knife everywhere I go. Knives in the cell, I got about two, three knives in the cell, a few knives on the yard, knives in the chow hall, knives in the lobby. Everywhere I go, it needs to be a knife readily available for my act. You can't just walk around with them because they got metal detection, they'll be patting you down. So you'll just hide them in strategic locations. Everywhere I go, there's gonna be a knife, and all I did was work out. So when I'm working out up under this bitch that I'm always using, it's a knife. And I'm hovering around this bitch. And eventually, I mean that's Burbitch, he's always on that bench. Yeah, because it's a knife up under here. When I'm on this part of the yard, that's because right here I got a knife buried in the ground. I'm in my cell, it's dives in my legal work. So I'm not selling nothing or giving anything away. Because next thing you know, I'm getting stabbed with the knife that I made. And that ain't that ain't that don't sound attractive.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

You ain't never went for your knife and it wasn't there. Like, because if you chose to hide one there, somebody else probably thought that might be a good place to hide theirs too. Without knowing that you hid George there.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

Nah, nah, I ain't never, nah, I ain't never went for a knife and came up empty-handed. Yeah, because I'm watching it. I'm watching that spot. So I will literally, so like, niggas in the joint of area, they knives on the yard. But you might have six or seven knives attached to a string, and then you would. So I'm probably I'm probably snitching on niggas in jail, but it is what it is, man. So what you'll do is you'll go on the yard with uh uh some hot water. It'll be hella people with hot water. You'll pour this hot water on the ground, it's gonna soften the soil. And then you just dig the soil up with whatever tool you got. And you'll bury the knife, but you'll bury multiple knives. You might bury five or six different knives attached, you know, shoestrings ain't gonna break, attached to a shoestring, and then you'll put a marker, and then you'll put the dirt back over, and it'll have like a little marker where you and your crew know is here. And after so long, the soil is gonna kind of re- uh like link back in with each other, and it's gonna kind of smooth out. But you still can just pull the string up and you and you and you and you got your heat. But when you bury it in this spot, you're burying it in this spot because somebody got a cell right here that can see this spot at night. Because you got ca CEOs that come out with metal detectors and be all on the yard. So somebody got the hey man, the police got the knives last night. So it's always somebody watching this spot. But me, I like to keep them in my cell. Because if I get into it with you, I'm not gonna say nothing. You know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not anybody that was, all right. Here's a fact, man, right? And anybody that sees this that was locked up with me, I will appreciate it. Can I look in the camera when I say this? Okay, I will appreciate it if y'all get in the comments and be like, hey, that nigga ain't lying, because I'm not lying. Anybody from Kansas City that was born in the 80s, that was locked up in the Missouri DOC, other than one person, there's nobody other than this one particular person that was more aggressive, more active, more violent, and pushed a harder line for Kansas City than me. And the only person that did that more than me was my homeboy Tay. And anybody that was locked up around me, they can verify that. They know Bird from the trays is not going for it. Period. And if you from Kansas City and you get into it with some niggas, you come and get me, I don't even give a fuck about the details, as long as it ain't no gay shit. We going. Period. Everything, everything's solid. You know, if you come to me like, hey man, that nigga got a bunch of dope in there. What? We about to go get that. Because when I came in the penitentiary, I didn't care about none of the prison policies or procedures. Nigga, the police couldn't tell me what to do on the street. My mom or my pops could nobody, the fuck, I look like letting you penitentiary niggas tell me what to do. And I can fight, and I can think, and I got life, so I don't even give a fuck if they give me some more time. Man, you niggas is crazy as fuck. And there, there's, and anybody, like I said, anybody that see this, anybody that know me know, man, when it comes to pushing the line for the Kansas City agenda that was born, because it was niggas born in the 60s and 70s that that put in way more work, but from 1980 on down, if you from Kansas City, other than one person, ain't nobody pushed a harder line, ain't nobody been more aggressive than me in the Missouri Department of Corrections. Period. That's a fact. And if anybody come in the comments and be like, that nigga lying, that nigga probably was gay. You know what I'm saying? And I probably done slapped the shit out of him or something. But that's also what nobody, I was, yeah, I pushed a hard line.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

How'd it go from your cousin, not not your cousin, your homeboy telling you what seat not to sit in and all of that, to you basically being the one that everybody falls behind?

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Alright, so let me say this. I'm not saying I was the nigga that everybody fell behind, right? But what I am saying is I was I was very aggressive. Very aggressive. And how it went from that is because I because I started my bit in the worst fucking penitentiary in Missouri. So that gave me an understanding of how vicious this shit can get. Because every penitentiary after that, to me, was soft. All of them after that was like soft. I went to Bontier, I went to Crossroads, I went to Western Missouri. All of them was soft. Missouri State Penitentiary was the one, like, hey, these niggas is tripping. All the other ones, I'd be like, man, these niggas is tripping. It's a difference between Troy, ah, that nigga tripping. I'm about to fuck him up. And the walls, like, boy, that nigga tripping, man. We might have to fuck this nigga up, man. You know what I mean? So because I came near and I got a very high intellect, I was able to pick up. Like, boy, this shit can get dangerous. Don't do this, don't do this, don't do this. Watch this, don't do this. Oh, that's the game you niggas be playing. Okay, boom, boom, boom. So now when I'm going to all these other penitentiaries, I'm so, I'm still on old walls time. I'm still aggressive, like I'm in Missouri State Penitentiary, but I'm in Bontier. I'm in Eastern Reception Diagnostic Correctional Center. Or I'm in uh Crossroads Correctional Center, I'm in Western Missouri Correctional Center. But because I started and this fucked up motherfucker with all this crazy shit going on, man, niggas getting killed. I mean, one time they said told us, like, hey man, don't drink the ice we found the dead body in there a couple days ago. Like this niggas getting butchered in here. Niggas had guns and everything in the penitentiary. I said, Yeah, man. So that that that understanding and that education followed me the rest of my bit. Like, boy, you got to be aggressive. And another thing is just like LA, niggas in the penitentiary got long memories.

SPEAKER_03 41:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

I remember niggas telling, yeah, that nigga got slapped back in the day. Like when? Man, 1973, that nigga got slapped. Nigga, it's 2005. Nigga, you still tripping over that? That nigga been a bitch. So I can't, okay, I can't let nobody quit. I don't let nobody get nothing off. These niggas don't got shit else on their mind, but shit that's been going on in the penitentiary. These niggas don't forget shit. So I can't let nobody get nothing off. You bump into me, I'm stabbing you. You say something out of pocket to me, if I ain't got no knife, I'm knocking you out. Because I can't, because I got a life sentence. You gonna remember this shit 30. I'm gonna have to stand on everything I do for the rest of my life in here. So everything I do, I have to do it with aggression. I have to do it with a certain je ne sais quoi. So you don't try to double back later on when I'm old.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 42:28

Yeah.

unknown 42:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

What was your first altercation in prison?

SPEAKER_00 42:36

That's funny, right? Listen, so this is what happened, right? This is what happened, man. This is this is an hilarious story. I could talk I could talk about this shit now. It's funny, man. That shit was funny then, though. So I'm in the old walls and I had a pack of batteries. I had some, no, no, no. My celly needed a pack of batteries because his batteries and his walkman just die. And I had some new batteries. So my batteries and my walkman die. And now all of a sudden, this nigga down here with his headphones on. I'm like, man, did this bitch ass nigga swap my batteries out? So I'm like, hey boy, how my batteries dead, and all of a sudden your shit popping like a motherfucker, right? So uh he like uh nigga, my homeboy something, something, something something something right. I didn't know that the sun drained batteries. So I have my Walkman out on the yard all that day and it and it drained uh some of the juice out of my batteries. So mind you, this nigga been in the joint about five, six years and shit. I said, hey nigga, I know you took my batteries, but I ain't tripping, nigga. You do this some shit like that again, I'm gonna beat your motherfucking ass in here, right? Mind you, I'm 18. This nigga like 30 something, right? Little nigga. Just came to the joint. He like, uh, like, man, what you say? I said, nigga, you heard what I said, nigga. You do some shit like that again, I'm gonna beat your motherfucking ass in here. Nigga said, nigga, we can go right now. I beat the nigga ass, right? Hogged him out. Like I said, there ain't a bunch of niggas that can whoop me. So after I beat this nigga ass, per prison policy, you supposed to put the nigga out yourself. You can't go to sleep in here with a nigga. You just beat this nigga up, you slit your throat while you sleep. So after I beat this nigga up, I'll never forget this. I never ate this shit again. I made some chili, cheese, Fritos, like the like the Fritos. Put chili, summer sausage, cheese. Stomach get the bubble and I sit down to take a shit. I'm on the toilet. I'm steady talking shit to this nigga, man. Like, yeah, man, don't do no ugly, don't do no shit like that, nigga. I beat your motherfucking ass in here, right? The nigga take off on me while I'm on the toilet, right? Hey, so look, right. So the nigga take off on me. I don't, I don't know. If it was just, I don't know what happened, right? But the nigga took, I don't know how this happened. I don't know if he timed it or just the universe was in his favor. But the nigga catch me mid-drop when he takes off on me, right? So I'm getting up trying to swing and pull my pants. You know you can't fight with you.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

Yeah, they're nothing.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

No, it's dropping. It's coming down. When he, when he, when I'm, so I get up, right? So I eventually get up, back this nigga up. I kind of, you know what I'm saying? Get myself together, right? So uh he ended up wrestling me down and he tells the CO, hey man, come get this nigga, man, get him up out of here. So they come in or whatever, right? So they take me to medical. And when I go to, anytime you get in the fight, you gotta go to medical. The nurse got to check you out for injury. So I go to medical. Cute nurse. I've been flirting with this bitch for like a month, two months, right? And uh, she like, what is that smell? It smells like shit. The CO say, yeah, he beat the crap out this guy. He got crap in his pants. Because when he catch me, I pull my pants up, you know, it's still gonna come out. So I'm fighting with boxes full of full of feces and shit, right? So I get the medical. And the nigga, like, yeah, he got a fucking load of crap in his pants, man. I look at him, you bitch ass hunky, man. You bitch ass motherfucker. You why you why you tell this pretty ass bitch that she starts laughing? I'm telling, then I go to the whole uh shit all in my pants, man. Then it circulates on the yard. My heart bird got the shit beyond some dude had to work. Yeah, yeah. So it came out. I come, I'm killing that nigga, man. I'm killing that nigga, man. I'm gonna kill that nigga. But I never seen that nigga again. That nigga sent me a friend request on Facebook a few months ago. Shit, man. Man, I don't want to be your friend, puck ass nigga.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

Nah, you gotta accept it.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

I want y'all to come talk about another time accepting that nigga beat the shit out of me, man. But that was my first encounter in the joint, right? So to me, I feel like I lost, man. You know what I mean? Because just on the fact, I'm the one that end up with the shit in his pants. You know what I'm saying? But that nigga can't whoop me. Ain't no, that nigga couldn't whoop me on his best. It's just that he caught me mid and got me, man. Beat the crap out of you.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

It's funny.

SPEAKER_03 47:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

Is that the only time you got put down? Well, you didn't really get put down, but it there had a time where you got a fair one.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Nah, it wasn't even nothing. That was close. Nothing, nothing. It wasn't even nothing. Nah, that was the that's why I remember it. You know what I'm saying? Not because it was the feces, because that was the only one where niggas got something off.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Smart with that, and you never seen the beginning. Say that you uh friend request is diabolical on Facebook. I can't wait to put this clip.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

Nah, see, but this this is this no, but uh let me let me explain it to you, right? So when we when I came to the joint, we was like the first wave of the crime bill. So they passed the crime bill in '94. From 1997 to 2003, Missouri built like 10 penitentiaries in anticipation of this crime bill. Because they get $28,000 from the federal government for everybody that's in a level five penitentiary, right? It's in maximum security. So they was hit niggas with five years in the joint and putting them in maximum security so they can get this $28,000 a year. They literally monopolized and made a hustle off of incarceration, right? So we was the first wave of niggas that they was sentencing to these long ass sentences. Because if you give me life, that means you're gonna make $28,000 a year off of me for the next 30 years. And then the next nigga gonna get 30. They're gonna get another 30, you know, so they're lining up this money. So when we all come to the joint, it's all we changed the dynamic of the penitentiary. Because when we came to the joint, it was all boys, babies, and booty bandits. It was all either you getting, yeah, you getting victimized or you the victimizer. But so they was giving so many of us so much time so fast, they was sending us to prisons. When I went to Bontel, they was still building the upstairs while we downstairs. They still up here putting up toilets, they still building the fence around the prison because they got to fill these prisons so fast. So when we come, it's like 30, 40 of us. Ain't none of us over 25, and ain't none of us going for it. We might not have all these different knives like these older niggas, but you got 30 or 40 niggas, we don't need them. That's 60 to 80 pairs of hands. That's 60 to 80 feet. You can't stab all of us, you know what I'm saying? Period. So we literally took the power away from the victimizers, and we had a click called 816 Crips. You know, so we was like the first or second wave of Crips and Bloods. Because you got to think the Crip and Blood stuff didn't come to Missouri to the early 90s. Well, it came in the 80s, but niggas weren't coming into the joints in these prisons until the 90s, and you got to think it's niggas that's been in these prisons since the 70s and never even heard of this stuff. So we was like that second wave, and we coming with all this crazy, these football numbers. You know what I'm saying? So he was an 816 Crip. So when that stuff happened, I never seen him again. Then I start really pushing that A16 Crip agenda. That's why he sent me the friend request. Because even though we never seen each other again, he heard what I became as far as this movement. Like, man, that nigga was. Because when I went to Bon Terra, it was only 17 niggas from Kansas City down here. It's 3,300 inmates. You know what I mean? And we like, hey, we haven't meetings like, yo, we not going for it. We are everybody got to push a hard line. It just so happened that I was the young nigga and I pushed the hardest when I was down there. And any nigga that was down there with me, we like, yeah, that nigga pushed a hard line for that Kansas City shit. I'm not going. So when he sent me the friend request, it's because he's hearing, uh, he opened up this prison. He opened opening up a prison, meaning you got there and you put the flag down, like, yo, this city, this, when you hear this name, we not going for it. So when I got to Von Tier, I planted the flag like Kansas City, Crips, we not going for it. So when other niggas came after that, they like, yeah, them niggas get down.

unknown 51:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

Because I set the precedent. So he was here and that's why he sent me the for I know why he did it though.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

After we put this clip out and then put a certain, like, uh, what's it called when you try to call to action in the thing, and it's we get that many amount of people to do it, would you accept a friend request? If I tell them to do a certain thing and they do that in the comments, you do what? Accept his friend request? No, would you expect any comments?

SPEAKER_00 51:50

Yeah, if I if I say accept his friend requests, I would never do that. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna remember. No, no, I'm gonna tell you why I wouldn't do that. Because if I did it now after the interview, it's gonna make him famous. That's what a lot like a lot of shit with people done done. I don't acknowledge it. Because if I acknowledge it, now you gotta now you got something, a claim to fame. Now he can come out, I don't know he's talking about. He didn't say no name, ain't no. Yeah, but don't nobody know. You can't prove it, nigga. I damn sure ain't gonna verify or deny it. Right. I'm just gonna ignore it.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

That was me. Yeah. What was the worst situation you you was a part of in prison?

SPEAKER_00 52:35

As far as like some violence shit, yeah. Well, none of I'll none of them really, like my spent my whole, like I said, my whole life was in violence. From being born, uh, artists are going out there 85 to the shit with my mama to going back and forth. So the violence didn't really, yeah, that shit didn't really bother me. I ain't never got stabbed or whooped, or other than the shit I was talking about then. He really didn't whoop me for real because even the second time we thought I got the best of him. But it ain't never been a situation where I was like fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 53:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How was the CEO storage you in there?

SPEAKER_00 53:11

How the COs? Yeah. COs, man. So I'm gonna put it to you like this. You got police and they press a hard line on black niggas, they kill unarmed black men, beat black niggas up. They got a cousins that's less qualified, less trained, less, less important, but have a hundred times as much power as them. Cause can't nobody record them. And they cousins is correctional officers. So who can tell on a CO when it's a CO that's controlling the camera that's watching a co-worker beat you to death? I done seen COs, they'll have a wife that work here. They wife will see an inmate. You gotta think niggas doing a thousand push-ups a day, niggas' chest is up here, niggas, they'll fall, they'll start liking this nigga, flirting with this nigga. This bitch chose me. How you know how white niggas is over black women, I mean over white women. Now they done came in this nigga selling beat him to death because his bitch was uh on some bullshit. And I done seen this, I done literally been in supermarkets, so they done came in the nigga selling beat him to death. You hear this nigga in here screaming, and you just like shit, shouldn't have been fucking with that white bitch. And ain't nothing you can do because they control the cameras.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

How does that person's section react to that type of stuff though? Has it ever been a war on the CEOs?

SPEAKER_00 54:38

Fuck nah. Every nigga I seen get killed, this is honest to God truth, bro. Every nigga I seen get killed in the Missouri Department of Corrections, it was behind some gay shit. Niggas in Missouri be on real live gay time, bro. Like for real. That shit now is deuce. Now everything was revolved around deuce. But when I first came to the joint, it was booty, man. It was like the episode of the boondocks. Booty is everything, nigga. I love booty. Booty, booty, booty, booty, booty. Booty getting paid right now, too. Yeah, yeah, that nigga, yeah. It's a bunch of them in Missouri. Because when I'm hearing the stories about CDC, California, it's gang shit. It's power, it's drugs, it's it's I come out here, I'm thinking it's that. But every nigga, I seen a lot of people get killed. No, I'll take that back. One dude they killed in the old in the old walls was something different. They was about to escape and he told him he didn't want to go, so they killed him because they thought he was gonna tell. But everything after that, like, man, what happened? Why they kill him? Like, man, they said he took his booty, man, and he came back. Why did he kill him? But they was getting into it over that boy. A boy is a homosexual that's not uh that's tied to somebody. You know what I mean? So, like, if this dude is gay, this dude is gay, and then this dude is is the the dude, because the dudes that mess with men don't consider themselves gay. Booty bands don't consider themselves gay. So a boy is the one that he's married to, or he's in a relationship with, and a baby is just like a renegade. You know what I mean? Like, man, what happened? I was messing with his boy. They killed him. Him and his boy killed him, you know what I mean? So down there every every murder I could think of off the top of my head, man, it was yeah, it was some gay shit.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

There was one point where you didn't believe you was getting out, right?

SPEAKER_00 56:28

Yeah, that was shit from from from yeah, up until 2021, when they passed that law, I'm like, I'm here.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

And what was that? The law that got you?

SPEAKER_00 56:38

If you was under the age of, I don't know the, I can't remember the number, but if you was under the age of 18 and you caught your crime after 15 years, you'll be eligible for parole. By the time they passed this law, I've already been locked up 21 years. And mind you, this is post-me writing a hundred-something books and selling a million paperbacks worldwide, like making all this bread in jail, buying houses and business and shit, sitting in the penitentiary. So when they changed, I said, I'm about to go. Ain't no way y'all keeping me in here. I'm too successful at this point. So I go to see the parole board, they like, yeah, we're gonna let you go. A year later, I was back on the street. So literally, like in 18 months, it went from I'm never coming home to I'm on the street in the Lexus.

SPEAKER_02 57:25

Did they uh have you writing letters for girls when you was in prison too? Like the homies have you writing letters to their girls and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 57:35

Fuck no, I wouldn't have done no shit like that. Hell nah. If they would have, I would have done no shit like that. I don't work for nobody.

SPEAKER_01 57:43

Hey, you couldn't hook that over me up a nigga that don't write that good.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

Nah, fuck. Now that nigga nigga, here go G D book. Yeah, nah, nah. If a nigga would even ask me that, I would if a nigga would have asked me that I probably would've knocked this bitch. For one, uh obviously you ain't got enough gain to tame her. And two, you got to be a lame, bro. Like, I don't respect no whole ass nigga shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you like, you don't have to be aggressive. You don't have to be tripping. If you're not an aggressive nigga, then to stay in your lane, bro, chill. I'll make sure don't nothing happen to you. You feel me? But like certain niggas will be soft, but then be trying to portray like they not. And I'll be like, oh, you wanna be tough. Fuck it. There we go. Pack of wolves, let me see how you do. I was, yeah, I was real militant when it came to a lot of, yeah, I didn't fuck not want to do no shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

What was your mindset uh uh upon getting out of prison? And did you did things start to change within your mind as far as how you gonna move and all of that?

SPEAKER_00 58:51

So what it so success changes everything. You feel me? This is this is a fact that success changes everything, right? So mind you, from 20, so from January, I dropped a book in uh January of 20, no, June of 2016. So from January 2017 to December of 2019, I dropped the urban fiction book every single month. Through that whole time, I probably dropped about 30 books. So it's money coming in, it's fame, it's Instagram models, it's all this other different shit. Success made me be like, Yeah, I ain't tripping. Success changes everything. It even changed the way I react to sucker shit that niggas do. Like a nigga might do this, you know what I mean? And before the success of these books, nigga, I would have thrashed you. But I'm not doing that now. Why? Because I got this Instagram model, bro, that's on my line. She got like a million followers from Houston, and she's super bad. And you know, I like talking to her on the phone. I like looking at her pictures, I like going on visits with her. I got this fucking uh actress, super bad actress that I'm fucking falling in love with from Philadelphia. You know what I'm saying? She's coming out here. Yeah, I'm not tripping. You know, I said I'm eating, I'm winning, I'm doing me, even though I'm still in the penitentiary. So that was prepping me for when I got out. So by the time I get out, I'm already successful. So my mentality on how I react to situations is different.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:31

Gotta jump real quick. Since you talked about women a little bit, your take on love and relationships.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

So uh, like I said, man, I'm a gangster. And uh I don't trust respect or fuck with niggas that cheat on their wives.

unknown 1:00:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

Because I look at it like this if you'll cheat on that bride that's sucking your dick, taking care of your kids, cooking you food, doing whatever for you, nigga, you'll most definitely cheat on me, because Paul's and we ain't in no type of relationship. So my outlook is, and one, I don't do no lying. People only lie when they're scared of something. And I told you I don't fear shit. Last time I feared something, I was 11 years old. I didn't like that feeling. And I told myself I'll never feel like this again in my life. So there's no reason for me to lie to no woman. You feel me? So a lot of shit that niggas do, I just ain't into that shit. And I don't smoke weed, I don't drink, I don't do no drugs, I'm a devout Muslim, you know what I mean? So my outlook on relationships is if I'm saying this is my woman, I'm saying this is my homie. And I know if my lady don't want, if she looks at any other bride that's trying to give me some pussy as an enemy, ain't no motherfucking way in hell I'm about to go fuck with my best friend. If this group of niggas is trying to kill my homeboy, I'm not about to go over here and be slapping files and going on dinner dates with these niggas. So why the fuck would I turn around and do that shit with these bitches knowing this is my girl's ops? But niggas to sacrifice that shit. I got a motto, man. You never sacrifice what you know is right in order to satisfy the urges of your lower self andor your fears or lust. That's like the most gangsterous shit in the world to me. And I never sacrifice what I know is right. So if I'm in a relationship or in a situation with somebody and I feel is right, I would never sacrifice that. Because you can't sacrifice what you know is right, then turn around and expect shit to go right.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:30

That's like crazy to me. So, but that's my uh outlook on that shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:36

So have you had to like drop friends or homies that you found out cheating on their wife or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

Nah, I ain't gonna say I stopped fucking with them because that's them. They a man, they're gonna make their own decisions. But I'm not fucking with them. Like on no real shit, on no serious shit. I keep that in mind, like, but nigga, we cheat on that bitch. Now, if it's like your girlfriend, your baby mama or something, all right, that's cool. Fuck her. You know what I'm saying? But if this like your wife, that means you took an oath to honor her, to all of this. That's different. If you cheating on your girl, like, man, I don't give a fuck. Tell her what? All right, nigga, yeah, now that nigga with me, we here, I'll help you. But once you get married, we're gonna have to have a talk, like, hey, bro, don't do that shit no more. That shit was cool when y'all was just going together, but you done took an oath, man. We men of honor, bro. We gangsters, bro. Your word is bond, baby. When you take an oath, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

Have you ever uh put that wisdom on any of them and it it it changed the way they move? Fuck nah, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:38

Them niggas gonna follow their dick, man. Them niggas don't give a fuck about that shit. Let's something with a fat ass. A fat ass is the is the black man's downfall, man. A one it don't even matter if it's a fat white ass, a fat brown ass, a fat black ass, if alien bitches popped up and they was thick. That's that's that's black niggas cryptodine, man. So I can tell, like man, don't be doing uh niggas don't give a fuck about none of that shit, man. Them niggas gonna go try to fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:06

Or you you with all that you have as far as in your head about people and all that, that makes it, does that make it hard for a woman to penetrate your mind and actually get to the point where you wanna?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

Yeah, I'm glad you said your mind. That was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

We see the ball and then I'll see your mind. I was like, where is this going? That's why I did the part out. Your mind.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:32

My thing with the women is I'm an exclusive nigga, man. I don't got no kids. Uh I own a business that's worth a lot of money. I got a lot of power. Uh I know I'm a hell of a catch. You know what I'm saying? And that ain't me being arrogant or nothing, man. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I ain't I'm intelligent, you know what I'm saying? Uh I went a long time without having sex, so my stamina and drive is crazy. You know what I mean? Uh so I try to keep it exclusive. You can't just let anybody just, you know what I'm saying? And then if I'm just like messing around, jumping inside, jumping in and out of you, it ain't nothing serious. We just we just messing around. But being on some like serious like relationship shit, nah, I keep it exclusive.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

Hate that it has to come to an end, man. Because I enjoyed myself. I didn't even know we were talking that long. Do you mind leaving us some words, you know, for the minds and hearts marked out?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:32

Uh yeah, never sacrifice what you know is right, man. Uh, because you can't sacrifice what is right and then things should have ever go right. Because you already done sacrificed what's right. So there's no more right left. Just stand firm.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Oh, yeah, one more thing. Was it anything else you had that you wanted to let the people know?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:52

Yeah, yeah, ah, yeah, yeah. It's one more thing. Shout out to my sister, Jay Renee, and my brother, Kwame Dutch T. Anytime I do anything, I have to make sure that everybody knows that anytime you see me doing something, it's because both of them, and whenever I think about them, I get a little, you know what I mean? They embraced me, they showed me love, and when I came home, they made sure I was right. You know what I'm saying? And my bro Kwame has been locked up since 1994. But this is a nigga that put me in the film game. Literally called me, hey, go here, you're gonna be in this movie, go here, you can invest in this movie, go here, you can do this with this movie. So I owe him and my sister, which is his wife, Jay Renee Teague and Kwame Teague, Dutch. Nigga that wrote the books, Dutch, and the movie Dutch with Lance Rose, that's all bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:43

That's my, I gotta always shout them out, man. I love them to death, man. Them is my foes. And when you say, you say you get a little emotional and low. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because they, because so they, yeah, they from the they from East Coast. We just so happened to meet, and it's just been love. It's just been genuine love, and then they just introduce me to hell. It's hella other people in this conglomerate that we got, but they are the ones that initially embraced me and was like, yo, introduce me to him, yo, meet him, meet her, meet them. And from there, I've been able to do that with people in Kansas City. So, yeah, they always go back to the other folks, and I love them to death.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:27

Well man, I thank you for coming on and opening up and telling your story. Like I said, the time went by so fast, there was so much other stuff we could have talked about as soon. But you know, there'll be other time. I'm sure they'll probably actually have you back on too, probably. But in closing, the goal is to leave a lasting imprint on their minds and their hearts. We pray you've been indelibly marked. Appreciate you watching it.