FISA 702 Exposed: Warrantless Spying on Americans? Live Tonight

The controversial surveillance program has lapsed amid congressional fights, raising major questions about privacy and government power. We dive deep into the full history of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, how it allows collection of Americans’ communications through “incidental” gathering, the documented abuses including high-profile cases like Carter Page, and the serious threats to our civil liberties and Fourth Amendment rights.
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SPEAKER_06 0:41

Good evening, Patriots. Welcome to the Ryan Samuel Show. It is 9 p.m. We are live. As always, make sure you hit that like, share, and subscribe button. Let's hit all of those buttons and get everything going. We got some people in the chat. We're off to a great start. As always, tonight, we are going to talk about FISA section 202 and why it is horrible and dreadful and really bad for America. Now, there's a serious history with Pfizer that we're going to over over go over and discuss for the entire hour of the show. This is important, and these are the things why we we do this show, why I started this show. This is a direct and complete and utter violation of your constitutional rights, and it has been for decades. Decades, this has been going on, and it's time that the Republican Party steps up for what they promised to do before they got elected and shut this down. Okay. So the Pfizer section 702 are essentially we are trading liberty for a false sense of security. By allowing Pfizer section 702 to continue, you're eroding very fundamental rights that you have that are inherent in you, just as your arm is. Okay. We've discussed natural law theory on the show. That's primarily what the show is based on, and the and the Constitution of the United States. The Fourth Amendment of the Constitution is clear that you are to be secure in your persons and your papers without government interference or due process, which is the 14th Amendment. Now, the history of FISA 702 started under Richard Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon. Man, I can't. I'm not going to be able to speak tonight. I got to do some warm-up exercises like I used to do in chorus class as a kid. But after Richard Nixon and the spying, it was designed to protect us from foreign intelligence abuses, right? The church committee abuses. It was post-Richard Nixon Watergate scandal. 2008, there was a temporary fix post-9-11. Pfizer Section 702 essentially gives the federal government rights to look at your emails, your text messages, all basically warrantless. Okay. So yeah, is there a need for the federal government at times to look at people's messages and emails to see if they are going to commit crimes against the United States or hurt its people? Yes. Yeah. But they need to go to a judge and ask a judge for his permission. Now the FISA does have courts, but they're rubber stamping. They're not actually a applying process. They're just signing things that are being requested by a federal agent. That's precisely what happened. Now we're going to go over this. It just lapsed in 2026 and it did not pass thanks to Democrats, by the way. Thanks to Democrats, it did not pass. I think that that is a good thing. I think it needs serious reform, if not total and utter elimination. The Founding Fathers would be completely, utterly, and totally against the Pfizer Section 202. James Madison in Federalist Papers number 47 and 57 basically said tyranny of accumulated powers, government must control itself. The government must control itself from tyranny, and the people must hold the government accountable for tyranny. Every form of government in every country, in every state in the history of the world, will become tyrannical without checks and balances. It is human nature. Now, Saint Augustine, for those people who aren't Catholic, he talked about what's called libido dominande or the lust to dominate, that it it lives in all of us, that there's this unquenchable lust to dominate for power and control over other people. It exists and they all flock to the government. Does not exist to be used as a loophole to uh erode your liberties and your rights. That's not why it exists. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights does not give you rights. The Bill of Rights acknowledges that you have these rights within you because they come from God or your creator. They come from your humanity. Your right to think as you wish and speak as you wish and keep the fruits of your own labor. Your right to speak grievances that you feel are wrong and unjust in a society where you should be protected from somebody else violating your rights. That is the only thing that the government exists for is to protect us from each other, not ourselves. The government exists to protect me if somebody's going to come over here and steal my car. Then the government intervenes and persecutes the person because they surrendered their rights by violating my rights. If you didn't violate anybody's rights, then there's no crime. A crime is a violation of a fellow citizen's rights. Anything else is unconstitutional. Period. Full stop. End of discussion. We were warned about this. The greatest men in history warned us about these scenarios. Thomas Jefferson talked about, you know, trading freedom for security, you're gonna have neither. And now we have the Republican Party, who's supposed to be the party of this type of freedom, being outperformed by the Democrat Party. And they're not even doing it out of principle.

SPEAKER_05 8:02

They're doing it out of spite.

SPEAKER_06 8:08

Even George Mason in the Virginia Declaration of Rights said that general warrants whereby an officer or messenger may be commanded to search suspected places without evidence of a fact committed or to seize any person or persons not named are grievance and oppressive. There's a funny thing about power. That before you have power, you speak out against it. You speak out against its tyranny and then its oppression. And then the second you get there, you start to oppress and act tyrannical. John Adams, second president of the United States, first vice president of the United States, stood on the floor of Congress. Stood on the floor of the Continental Congress and argued for independence. He argued for the right to speak freely against a tyrannical British government. He argued for a right to fight back against a tyrannical British government. He argued for the freedom to publish against the government. And then the second he became president of the United States, he invoked the Alien and Sedition Acts. The Alien and Sedition Acts state that if you brought the president of the United States under repute, you could be prosecuted at a felony level. The same person who assisted in writing the Bill of Rights, who was on the Committee for the Declaration of Independence, you wouldn't have a country if it was not for John Adams. And I disagree with 80% of the things that he stood for. But one thing I can tell you for certain, you would not have a country with John Adams. You would not have the Declaration of Independence without John Adams. He was on the committee with Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. The three of them were.

SPEAKER_05 10:17

They passed it.

SPEAKER_06 10:23

Even John Adams said, a constitution of government once changed from freedom can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. He felt this way until he got into power. This is just it's the nature of the world. It's it's the it's human nature. And this is what we're seeing with the Pfizer Warrants. Once the federal government gets power, it does not want to relinquish it. We're gonna get to Snowden in a minute, because I think Snowden should be revealed as an American hero. I think Edward Snowden should be he he should be given the uh presidential medical freedom. That's my opinion. If you disagree, comment or call in 561-786-2916. The Patriot Act was was one of a couple of incidents in the United States of America that completely changed its course from being free to being just completely oppressed. Here's Federalist Papers number forty-seven. James Madison. Separation of powers and tyranny The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, or whether self-appointed or elected may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. The separation of powers. That's what a warrant is. A warrant is a separation of powers. When I was a police officer, and I had a reasonable suspicion to believe that this person committed a crime based on the evidence, I couldn't make that determination. I had to go to a judge. And the judge would say yes or no. How many times did a judge say no to me? Not a single time. Now you could make the argument, hey, I was a good officer, I had my act together, I met the threshold, or it's because I had a really good relationship with the judges. I would argue the initial statement is true. Had I gone in there with improper evidence, they wouldn't have granted the warrant. But the FISA court doesn't have that same standard. This is being done under the guise of national security. Here's Madison again, checks and balances. If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administrated by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this. You must first enable the government to control the governed, and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is no doubt the primary control of the government. But experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. Backdoor searches and minimal oversight fail Madison's test of self-control, which is Section O two. Excuse me, Section 702. Now in 2008 they took off the warrant list and they said you couldn't do it against American citizens. Yeah, sure. Because they're only looking at foreign entities.

SPEAKER_05 14:16

But foreign entities talk to American citizens.

SPEAKER_06 14:23

So if a foreign entity is communicating with an American citizen, and because they're a foreign entity, they're now covered under Section 702, so therefore those text messages or emails can be surveilled and used in a court of law with a very minimal due process requirement. What about the American citizen? Does the Bill of Rights only apply to American citizens? Or does the Bill of Rights acknowledge the rights that human beings are born with? All human beings are born with. Here is President Trump's nomination, Jay Clayton, to be the director of the National Intelligence and Pfizer Surveillance Authority. This should be uh let's watch this. I have not watched this video.

unknown 15:47

Mr.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

President, on Thursday, President Trump nominated Jay Clayton, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, to be the Director of National Intelligence. He has an impressive resume with experience in both public, the public sector, and the private sector. And he has a kind of skill set necessary for managing issues as complex and varied as those faced by the Director of National Intelligence. And for some perspective from the other side of the aisle, the Democrat vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee noted on Thursday, and I quote, I have known and respected Jay Clayton for many years and believe he is a capable public servant, end quote. Mr. President, Republicans here in the Senate have built a record of acting quickly on the President's nominees, and we're going to do the same with Mr. Clayton. The Senate Intelligence Committee has already announced that it will hold a hearing on Mr. Clayton's nomination this week. Once he is approved by the committee, it is my intention to bring his nomination to the floor very quickly. And I hope we will have bipartisan support for making that happen. Mr. President, while we didn't know exactly when it would arrive, we knew a nomination like Mr. Clayton's was coming. How? Because the President made it very clear that his choice of Bill Poulti for acting director of national intelligence was a temporary pick. Despite this, Democrats decided to hold Section 702 of FISA hostage over Mr. Poulti's temporary short-term appointment.

SPEAKER_06 17:15

The Democrats are using Section 702 as a weapon, not as a point for protecting your freedoms. The Republicans are now in power. This is a correlation to the John Adams thing I was talking about earlier. The Republicans are now in power. So now that the Republicans are in power, they don't want to relinquish power. They want Section 702. They want as much spying on Americans or American citizens or foreign nationals as they possibly can. After all, there's terrorists out there. We got to protect you.

SPEAKER_05 17:54

But to what point?

SPEAKER_01 18:02

And thanks to their decision, as of Friday, this program authorization has lapsed. What does that mean, Mr. President? It means the nation is currently operating without the full capacity of its most critical intelligence gathering tool. Let that sink in for just a minute. Thanks to Democrats' actions, the nation is currently operating without the full capacity of its most critical intelligence gathering tool. All over a short-term, temporary presidential appointment.

unknown 18:44

Mr.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

President, you certainly don't have to take my word for it on the importance of the 702 program to the security of our nation. Let me just read a few quotes from my Democrat colleagues. Last time we were in danger of having the program authorization lapse. This was from the Democrat leader, and I quote, this very important tool for ensuring our national security is going to lapse, and that would be unacceptable, end quote. From the senior Democrat from Delaware, and I quote again, this program is critical to the security of our nation. Critical. And we could not permit it to lapse. From the senior Democrat from New Mexico, and I quote again, as a member of the intelligence community, that's enough of that.

SPEAKER_06 19:27

They're going to fight for it. They're going to fight to keep it. They're going to fight to keep it in power.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Surveillance of American citizens?

SPEAKER_06 19:37

Here, let's listen to what uh Rand Paul has to say about this.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

Real quick on surveillance of American citizens, President Trump is signing a short-term extension of the key surveillance law FISA, delaying the expiration until April 30th. This gives the lawmakers, you and your colleagues, more time to negotiate a longer-term reauthorization as the administration pushes for an 18-month renewal of FISA without reforms, Section 702. Senator, I know you're demanding an amendment related to warrants in exchange for a time agreement. Tell us more. Explain to our audience the issues here.

SPEAKER_07 20:15

Well, you know, I agree with President Trump, who in 2024 said we ought to kill FISA, that he was spied on, his campaign was spied on by American intelligence. Absolutely, we should not let a foreign intelligence service FISAM. We shouldn't let them spy on Americans. So what I'm asking for is this. Right now we spy on foreigners without any kind of warrant. We just gather up everything. We gather up sometimes every cell phone uh information in an entire country in Europe sometimes. That's foreigners. They aren't Americans. The Constitution doesn't apply over there. But what happened?

SPEAKER_06 20:49

So the reason the Constitution doesn't apply over there is because we don't have jurisdiction over there. But what the Constitution acknowledges, and particularly the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, acknowledges that human beings are born with certain rights. That's why Americans get so offended when they're killing people in Africa or they're um uh suppressing the vote in Afghanistan or Iraq. Um that's why because it's ingrained in our humanity. It's ingrained in us. You're born with the right to speak freely. You're born with the right to be protected from unreasonable searches or seizures. You have these God-given rights in you. So that's what he means. Now, Rand Paul's on the same page.

SPEAKER_07 21:37

What happens is if I talk to you and you talk to your reporter in the Middle East, and your reporter in the Middle East has a source in the Arab world whose cousin is with Hamas, all of a sudden, your conversation, my conversation, it's all caught up in FISA. And they should not be able to investigate a journalist for your contacts, but they shouldn't be able to investigate me because I talked to a journalist. So I'm not for uh Allowing them to look at Americans' conversations or metadata without a warrant.

SPEAKER_06 22:05

So what they don't need a warrant for overseas people. We've covered that. Sorry if I'm repeating myself. That's one. They also don't need a warrant for the people that they talk to, or for the people that they talk to, who they talk to, who they talk to, who they talk to. It's a loophole to keep the same policy in place as it was pre-2008. If I'm a businessman and I work for an oil company and I talk to somebody who is in Saudi Arabia, who may have some ties to some radical Islamic group, right? They they find out he's talking to me. So they look through all of my text messages and my emails, in my social media accounts, and my Instagram, my Instagram messages, and my Google search history and everything else. And then they see I'm talking to my wife, who's talking to her mom, and the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on. It's a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. There has to be a check and balance against it. Prior to 2008, there was none. They just did warrantless, warrantless searches into everything because it was electronic. It was kind of like the Napster theory. I'm showing my age now. When I was younger, right, and we would download music for free, and then they were prosecuting people for stealing it. It wasn't like stealing it to people who were downloading it because it wasn't tangible. It's just electronic. I just took an electronic download. But the whole music industry industry started taking lawsuits against this kid and her grandmother because he was downloading music for millions of dollars, just to set an example. And the lesson from that was it doesn't matter if it is an actual CD you're taking or it's the music, you're taking the creative content of the artist without their permission or without exchange for money. Here they're taking your rights away, which you have not agreed to. You can surrender your rights. The police come knocking on your door and they say, hey, we just want to look through your house. You can say, sure, go ahead. But when you when you invoke that and say, no, you need a warrant, they need a warrant. Pfizer's not like that. And Trump is right back in 2024. They spied on his campaign. How do you think they did it?

SPEAKER_05 24:46

How do you think they did it?

SPEAKER_07 24:55

If you get a warrant, I would only use that information to stop terrorism or immediate threats. If somebody is talking to somebody who's talking to somebody and they mentioned, oh, you know, I brought some paint home from the office and didn't write it off. You know, it I wrote it off, even though I used it at home, which is a tax violation. But someone said this in private conversation. You found it without a warrant. We shouldn't be prosecuting people for tax crime out of the FISA database. Should only be about terrorism, only about stopping terrorism, and only really about foreigners. So my amendment says you have to require to get an amendment to search an American. If they want to investigate President Trump like they did, they'd have to have a warrant, but then they can never be used for domestic crime only to stop imminent attacks and terrorism.

SPEAKER_06 25:39

I like that a lot.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

That makes sense. Senator, it's great to have you this morning. Thanks so much.

SPEAKER_05 25:43

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

Senator Rand Paul.

SPEAKER_06 25:50

It's it's a simple concept that's that government has been trying to use usurp and overthrow since its beginning. Starting with John Adams. Starting with John, that's like when it all began. Hey Michelle, good evening. But I'm sorry, I'm telling you the truth. I promised each and every one of you I would always tell you the truth. The Republicans are wrong. FISA 702 is bad for everybody. It's bad for Republicans, it's bad for Democrats.

SPEAKER_05 26:31

Here is um Donald Trump.

SPEAKER_06 26:35

We're gonna watch this. This is him. I haven't watched this yet. This is him talking about Senator uh John Thune.

SPEAKER_08 26:43

By the Democrats. And they said they were gonna approve Pfizer. And I said, but we want Pfizer approved, but we want the Save America Act approved. Voter ID, proof of citizenship. No mail-in ballots with exceptions, like for the military stick, you stick.

SPEAKER_04 27:00

You're traveling, disabled.

SPEAKER_08 27:04

Very, you know, open and generous. We also want no men playing in women's sports, so we want no transgender utilization of our children. None. Those are five things that are 99 percent to I mean, that's all we want. It's not a lot. The Save America Act. And that can be passed any way they want to pass it, but I'm not gonna sign Pfizer unless it's done. And this was like a rush act. And it was a rush act by the Democrats. All of a sudden they want to get and why are they afraid of this guy? I mean, they're so afraid of him by the Democrats, and they say this you you heard him say it.

SPEAKER_05 27:53

He wants Pfizer passed. Why why? I want it revoked.

SPEAKER_06 28:01

You don't need a law to give our government or intelligence agencies permission to spy on foreign people, on foreign governments? They're not covered under our United States Constitution.

SPEAKER_05 28:16

It's because they want to spy on you.

SPEAKER_06 28:20

It's because the Clinton administration declared white supremacy as the wor the biggest threat to uh Americans everywhere. Domestic terrorism was the big thing. They got all this funding. Then you wound up with Ruby Rich. You wound up with Waco. Yeah, when they burned a bunch of children alive. Look into that story. There's actually a really good series on Paramount Plus that finally documents it accurately. Now, so here's Jon Thune. Here's what he says. Democrats want to defund the intelligence gathering capability that has been responsible for 90% of synthetic drug disruption enabled by the CIA and that's prevented terrorist attacks. Why do you need Pfizer Section 02 702? It's security.

SPEAKER_05 29:17

We're gonna fear monger now. We're gonna fear monger now.

SPEAKER_06 29:25

Here is um here's a Fox News clip. This is this is from uh Senator Katie Britt, who posted this. Hold on, let me pull it up for you guys. Guys, you can call in 561-786-2916. Whether you agree or disagree, doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

First off, let's go back to the fact that the reason that FISA has expired is because of Democrats. Democrats played politics with people's lives. Here we have the World Cup data, like across our nation, where we're hosting all of these events and people, and yet Democrats decided that they were gonna play politics and shut down the eyes of our intelligence community. That is 100% on them. When it comes to what's happening right now with regards to Jay Clayton, remember the Chuck Chamber wouldn't even return a blue slip on Jay Clayton to be the U.S. attorney there in New York. So he is actually serving in that role because of his court appointment. What President Trump is saying is look, let's stop playing politics, let's get a good person in for a U.S. attorney, and then let's move Jay Clayton forward. I know that the Senate has several processes it has to go through. I hope that we'll continue working through those so that we can get President Trump, his um his director of national intelligence, as as soon as possible. But Democrats have got to stop playing politics.

SPEAKER_06 30:43

They've got to actually do the work of the American people, and what we're hearing right here is them Should we be doing the work of making sure people are free, making sure that people's rights aren't violated, making sure that you cannot just cast a giant fishing net on anybody who you may think uh is a threat to the United States and then use the information you get against them. That that's the problem, and that's what Rand Paul was talking about, right? So I am this oil man, right? Say I'm this oil man, I'm like we said before, I'm I'm communicating with somebody in Saudi Arabia. They have ties to international terrorism. I don't know that. What do I know? He works for this oil company out there. Which is the guy I'm talking to. He emailed me, but I'm connected to him. So they throw out this giant fishing net. Now imagine you're fishing and you have one line and you're looking for a fish and you catch a fish. This is just there's a hundred fish in the sea. We're gonna throw out one big net and we're gonna we're gonna hold them all in and eat them all. That's what Faija Section 702 does. And then say I tell my wife, um, hey, here's what we're gonna do to make sure we uh get this tax deduction or this tax loophole, or uh, you know, some something that's maybe not a massive criminal act, but is against the law. And then they use it against you. Say I'm gonna run for Congress. Say I'm gonna run for senator or governor or president of the United States. And then when I do so, they come up to me and they say, Hey, uh, hey, Mr. Samuels, we have your phone records here. And we saw that you did X, Y, and Z, and we're gonna release this to the public unless you play ball with what we what we want you to play ball with. Does that happen? I have no idea. Am I saying that's happening? I I have no idea. Is the question in your mind that that may be happening with Section 702? If the question is there that it's possible for that to happen, then Section 702 should be completely eliminated.

SPEAKER_05 32:58

Completely eliminated. Hakim Jeffrey said, let's listen to this.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Hakim Jeffrey said over the weekend he will not support the extension of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. That expires this week, FISA, uh, unless the president withdraws his nomination for Bill Poulty. And you say?

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Well, that's an irresponsible position on behalf of the Democrats. Another irresponsible position. And it goes along with open borders, defund the police, sanctuary cities. Now we're going to defund the intelligence gathering capability that has been irresponsible for 90% of the drug bust um that we've had, and it's prevented terrorist attacks. It is a tool, it's a national security tool, it needs to be reauthorized. The Democrats have indicated they and they did, they when we moved to proceed to it last week, they block voted against it. Um we've got to take care of the business of national security. If we don't get that right, the rest is conversation. And the Democrats right now are dug in uh over this Bulti issue, and it's an irresponsible position to take. Why are they so dug in, Senator? Well, I mean, I think they they view the the um him as part of quote weaponization um at the at the housing agencies and are at least fearful, or they're saying that this is that they think he'll do this in the intelligence world. Uh this these things are totally unrelated. Reauthorizing, if you're worried about the management of the DNI, what you want is guardrails around whoever is in there. This bill does that.

SPEAKER_06 34:38

This is a bipartisan bill that was negotiated between the What I want is I want safeguards around the United States of America spying on its own citizens.

SPEAKER_05 34:52

That's what I want. I don't think that's that hard.

SPEAKER_06 34:58

Here is um I don't want to play Charlie Kirk yet. I'm trying to save that one. It's a long one. Here is even I know I saved it.

SPEAKER_05 35:10

Where'd it go? Here's Tom Cotton. They're out in droves.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

Mr. President, Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as FISA, is a critical national security tool.

SPEAKER_06 35:31

Critical national security have to have it. Can't not have it. Didn't have it for hundreds of years. Didn't have it for 200 years. Have to have it now. We we need access to everybody's personal messages and everybody's personal emails and everybody's personal love notes. We need to switch on their web cameras when they're not home and make sure they're not doing anything bad in their own homes. The technology that they have to spy on you is unreal and incredible. Right? This is a smartphone. This has a camera on it, on the front and the back. Right? It also has a microphone on the front and the bottom. I could turn this off. I could put it down. I could have a conversation like I am now. They can turn on your microphone and listen to the whole conversation, even if the phone is off. There was a certain time period where you could remove your battery from your phone. You can no longer remove your battery from your phone. Your battery's in your phone. What do you mean remove it? There's no reason to remove it. Why would you want to remove it? That's just an inconvenience. We're gonna make it so you never can remove it. Fact check me right now. Google it. They've done it. They've admitted it. Your Alexa, they can listen to what you're saying. Your webcam on your phone, your OnStar in your car. The CIA came out and said that they have the ability to take over people's driving cars. Maybe to stop them from running away, or maybe to stop them on their way to a terrorist attack. Great, awesome. But maybe they turn you off a cliff if they don't like what you have to say. Are these true safeguards for the United States of America? Who is preventing them from doing that? What system is preventing them from killing you without warrant warning? What system is preventing them from listening to your private conversation with your wife or your child? Because your friends, friends, friends, uncles, nephews, um, brother-in-law is an oil man and talk to somebody in Saudi Arabia. So now whatever they heard against you, they're going to use against you. What's stopping that? That's the problem with Section 02. Not what they're I keep calling it Section 02. Section 702. That's the problem with Section 702. What they are doing is presenting it to you like they always present things to you, as this is for your safety. First of all, if the government tells you it's for your safety, it's not. It's to convince you to give up one of your liberties. Because the only time a government can violate your constitutional rights or your rights under under God, the natural law, is if you willingly allow them to do it. And they do it through a series of persuasion. Fear is the biggest one. They did it with COVID. They can't force you in your house. They can't force you to get a vaccine passport. They have to convince you, or at least the majority of you. They have to convince the majority of you that it's right and just and what's good for America. Then you can start taking away the opinions of the minority. You can start taking away the rights of the majority. Who's going to be held accountable? 60% of this country agrees with us. They're not going to vote us out of office for this. They're thanking us for taking their rights away. Fear.

SPEAKER_05 39:18

Or safety. What's more important? You're watching the deep state in droves here.

SPEAKER_06 39:27

This is this is an actual exposure of the deep state. With a party, we elected to stop this type of thing. And I'm not always going to be happy with the Republican Party. I'm honest. I'll never be happy with the Democratic Party. But the Republican Party more aligns with my political philosophy. The problem is, it's just like John Adams, who's the perfect example, who wrote parts of the Constitution. He didn't write it, but he implemented parts of it. He argued for independence. He stood there and preached about freedom. Famously said, if I may live, let me have a country. Second he got in office. Alien and Sedition Act. No, you know, you speak bad about the president. Lock him up, put him in jail. There was a congressman. Congressman Lyons. Called him fat. And you know what John Adams did? Put him in jail. Because he called the president fat. That was an act of sedition. It's the silence and sedition acts. The same person who fought for the freedom against tyranny once got power started being tyrannical. This was the downfall of him and Thomas Jefferson as friends, called him a hermaphrodite, and calamitous election of 1800.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

Well, over half of every item in the president's daily brief is derived from Section 702. It has stopped terrorist attacks. It stopped the flow of deadly drugs into our country. Regrettably, the Democrats, led by the two minority leaders, are going to allow this critical authority to expire tomorrow night. Again, this program, which has been on the books for almost 20 years, is one of the most important intelligence tools that we have.

SPEAKER_06 41:35

It's the most important weaponization that you have against your own people. It's the most important tool of control you have against your own people. It's one of the biggest calamities in American freedom that ever eroded. It was the Patriot Act and Pfizer Section 702. Warrantless searches. Give me a break. Give me a break. There's not a logical legal argument you can make against warrantless searches unless you not a single argument that you can make.

SPEAKER_04 42:33

And why are they going to let it expire? I I guess the minority leader is mad about who Donald Trump chose to run an intelligence agency on an acting basis.

SPEAKER_06 42:44

Now, what he's saying is true. So just because the Democrats are stopping this isn't because they're they care about you, or they care about your freedom, or they care about Pfizer. They're using it as a tool to get what they want to push their agenda, which is, of course, more power. That's what it's all about in DC. How can we amass more power?

SPEAKER_04 43:10

An agency, by the way, that has very little to do with Section 702. To the extent it does, legislation I proposed with Senator Warner and other leaders in this Senate would impose more guardrails on that agency. And by the way, if the law expires tomorrow night, all the guardrails on that and every other agency expire as well. So even though we haven't been able to pass the legislation that Senator Grassley and I co-authored with Senator Warner and others, uh the responsible next step is to have a short term extension of this legislation, especially as we begin. Welcoming literally millions of foreigners to this country for the World Cup and for the America 250 celebrations right around the corner. If we don't extend it for at least a few weeks while we continue to try to work on our differences, the consequences could be severe.

SPEAKER_06 44:19

Severe. We have the World Cup coming. There's millions of people coming. If we don't have the ability to look at everybody's cell phone, oh my goodness. It's going to end for everybody. How could you possibly allow the World Cup to happen unless we get to look at everybody's cell phone? This is unfolding before your eyes. This is happening in real time. You're watching the federal government fight against your privacy. Fight to hold on to power, to keep looking at your private things. The party I'm sure most of you love and agree with and voted into office. I worked at the highest levels of government. I used to do nuclear security. I was in the Marine Corps at a top secret clearance. If the federal government can't look at Jim Bob's cell phone from Austin, Texas, I really don't think everybody at the World Cup is going to pass away. I can confidently say that. I think they should be spying on other countries. Yeah, that's why we have them. That's exactly why we have the National Security Agency. That's why we have the Central Intelligence Agency. That's why we have all these three-letter agencies that half of them, honestly, shouldn't even exist. But that's why they exist. To protect us from foreign threats. Do we have domestic threats? 100%. But guess what you do with a domestic threat? The same thing I did when I was a police officer. You gather the evidence, you take it to a judge, and you get a warrant.

SPEAKER_05 46:15

It's not that hard.

SPEAKER_06 46:21

Our ancestors have sacrificed their blood and treasure for us to live this way. For us to be away from this oppression. What do you think is going to happen when AI gets big and takes over and starts doing these things? Don't tell me AI is not running this. Don't tell me AI is not crawling through this guy's cell phone into this guy's email and bypassing this firewall and entering Dottie's phone records and then going into her Netflix account and then, oh, her credit card account. Let's see who that's attached to. Oh, that has her brother on it. Her brother is a user on this credit card account. Maybe she's exchanging money with him because this guy in Saudi Arabia 15 people ago. Don't tell me AI is not taking this thing over and running through and and and forcing all of this and then summarizing it and presenting it to a person. Of course it is. There's no way a human being could do that that fast.

SPEAKER_05 47:25

Or process that amount of information. Federalist paper number 84.

SPEAKER_06 47:37

Hamilton. Bill of Rights and Encroachments. It has been several times truly remarked that the Bill of Rights are, in their origin, stipulations between kings and their subjects, abridgements of prerogatory in favor of privilege, reservation of rights, not surrender to the prince. Such was the Bill of Rights passed by Parliament in Great Britain, 1689. Here, in strictness, the people surrender nothing. And as they retain everything, they have no need of any particular reservations. Because in Great Britain they were granted rights by the king. It's whatever rights the king wanted them to have, whatever the king saw fit.

SPEAKER_05 48:28

The king didn't have to circumvent anything. He was the king. Not here, and that's Alexander Hamilton.

SPEAKER_06 48:41

One of our worst founding fathers. Wanted a central bank. Him and John Adams got into a major fight because he wanted to expand power. Him and Jefferson wouldn't even sit in the same room. Thomas Jefferson wouldn't even sit at the same table with Alexander Hamilton. That's how far apart they were. Here is Brett Bear. Again, John Thune is just taking he's fighting and fighting and fighting this. I wonder why.

SPEAKER_01 49:21

I hope he gets through this week. He will get through the the um the confirmation hearing will happen tomorrow, the intelligence committee. They will report him out. We will take him up as soon as we can, but that will take some cooperation from Democrats. If they want to, they can they can slow walk it. They can slow it down. They can't slow it down forever. We'll get him on the floor. But if we want to get him confirmed by the end of the week, we're going to need a little bit of help. And right now, we're getting mixed signals about whether or not the Democrats will participate in help with that. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

Bill Poulty was a non-starter for some Republicans and definitely Democrats in that role. Does this break that logjam on FISA?

SPEAKER_01 49:57

It should. And I hope that that unlocks FISA. FISA has, in an unprecedented way, gone dark in the FISA, which short for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, there is a section there, Section 702, which is the principal tool by which we keep this country safe. It prevents terrorist attacks. It's helped us in times of war, protects American citizens, and that program right now is quote gone dark when we say that it's no longer authorized by the Congress. And so the Democrats had agreed to passing it with reforms that Republicans had agreed to was a bipartisan deal. And then when Poulti was nominated, they completely block voted against even getting on the bill. So right now, my view, they own this. That was an irresponsible thing to do on a program that's critical for America's national security.

SPEAKER_06 50:46

Critical. We've never not had it.

SPEAKER_05 50:53

Absolutely critical.

SPEAKER_06 51:38

I don't know what's going on. I I had to update my graphics card here. Here is um section 702. These are excerpts, all right? This is this is the core statutory language. The Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence may authorize jointly for a period up to one year the targeting of persons reasonably believed to be located outside of the U.S. to acquire uh to acquire foreign intelligence information. Persons outside of the U.S.

SPEAKER_05 52:12

Doesn't say non-American citizens. Persons located outside of the U.S.

SPEAKER_06 52:23

May not intentionally target any person reasonably believed to be located in the United States and may not intentionally target a United States person reasonably believed to be located outside of the United States. So these this was updated in 2008. When this came out that they weren't supposed to do this in 2008. Now, in 2013, Edward Snowden, does everybody remember Edward Snowden? Who blew the entire lid off of the PRISM program? Now the PRISM program was similar to AI, right? He used to work for the National Security Agency. He was a contract. He leaked this. Thousands of classified documents revealing the massive scale of U.S. government surveillance programs, including Section 702, which was PRISM. The PRISM program, the NSA collected data directly from tech companies, Google, Apple, Microsoft, ATTs, Verizon, Netflix, anything that they could on foreigners, but also swept in Americans' communications. It was the warrantless collection of phone records, internet data, and more. What did the United States government do when Edward Snowden came out and said, hey, this program is a complete and utter violation of your Fourth Amendment rights? You have a right to privacy. We're looking at people's private webcams, we're looking at their emails, we're looking at their text messages, we're looking at their phone call logs, we're looking at their kids' school grades, we're looking at everything and anything. We're looking at their cars. We're looking at their OnStar records. We're looking at their GPS location. All of this without a warrant, without just, or without probable cause. All without oversight. Just an analyst going rogue, looking for terrorists, looking for problems. Great, awesome. That doesn't mean you get to look at my emails for terrorists, not without some sort of judicial review. He brought this, he brought this to everybody's attention. But here's the thing. If FISA was updated in 2008 that it no longer applied to American citizens or people located inside of the United States, only to people outside of the United States, then how in 2013 did Edward Snowden blow the lid off of this program about how it has infiltrated almost every American's phone, computer, anything digital that any American had, the federal government was looking at compiling data, analyzing it for crimes without a warrant.

SPEAKER_05 55:36

Five years later. And here's the thing about Edward Snowden. Where is he now? He's in Russia.

SPEAKER_06 55:52

What's he doing in Russia? He had to seek exile because the United States of America was going to prosecute him for treason. Do you know what the sentence for treason is in the United States at the federal level? Death. Death. So he had to go to our enemy, one of the most tyrannical governments in the world, for protection from revealing American citizens' freedoms being violated. And you know what you saw on the news everywhere? Oh, he put American lives at risk. He opened us up to all of these security issues. This is a critical program that protects American lives. Without it, they're going to produce yellow cake in Cincinnati, Ohio, and put dirty bombs in Alabama. If we don't get the spy in every American citizen without a warrant, then we are just going to all not be living. The founding fathers of this country never in a million years would ever intend secret mass surveillance on the American people. They seceded from Great Britain. We, the Americans, seceded from Great Britain, which set a precedent. The Declaration of Independence is a declaration of secession. You violated our rights. We are claiming that we are no longer a part of you. We're allowed to do that because we're humans. And we choose who controls us.

SPEAKER_05 57:57

So we're seceding from you.

SPEAKER_06 58:01

There were a series of uh tyrannical acts by the uh British government during that time. One was the Stamp Act. So the Stamp Act basically said any piece of paper had to have uh a stamp on it with a picture of the king, and you had to pay money to have that. So every legal document, um book, anything you had to pay, right? And they do because they were trying to get money to pay for the French and Indian wars. Anyway, it's important that we focus on the issues, Ryan. Pay attention. The Stamp Act. What did these defiant Americans do? No taxation without representation. This is outrageous. This is ridiculous. So what did the British government do? They enacted a series of acts called the Townsend Acts. What did the Townsend Acts do? The Townsend Acts gave British regular troops the right to enter your home, go through your papers, and ensure you had the king's image on every piece of paper in your home without a warrant.

SPEAKER_05 59:22

They would also help themselves to the liquor cabinet or the food in the pantry.

SPEAKER_06 59:31

There was a reason our founding fathers put everything that they could into the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States and the Federalist Papers, and reason the state's constitutions mirror these things. Was to protect you from repeating history. This is a modern day Townsend Act where the federal government has carte blanche to enter your entire digital catalog, the Constitution be damned. They don't care.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:13

If it wasn't for Edward Snowden, you wouldn't know anything about this program.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:20

But he's gone now. Exiled in Russia can never come back to the United States or face the death penalty. For revealing to the world what they were doing. This whole system is not what I intended, what we intended it to be.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:12

We're way off the mark.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:18

JD, hey buddy, how you doing, man? Thanks for coming in. Edward Stoughton is American Hero. I 100% agree. Hamilton is probably my favorite musical. I actually kind of like it too. Even though I despise Alexander Hamilton. If it wasn't for Alexander Hamilton, we would have a uh we would not have a national bank. We wouldn't have a lot of things. He uh definitely uh was a big problem. But we need to make sure that we analyze things and that even though our party's in office, the Republican Party is in office. It's my party, right? Uh even though I'm a registered libertarian, I just can't um I can't focus on the Libertarian Party at times because they drive me nuts, and that's a conversation for another day. But the um Republican Party is the one who actually has the power to get in there. But it's important that we, as members of this party, and some of you are not, and some of you are, call a spade a spade. There is no logical argument for Section 702. We have completely decimated the entire Middle East over the past 30 years. Iraq, gone. Afghanistan destroyed, Iran, there's nothing left. Yeah, you have little cells of terrorists. Of course you do. Does that mean you have to look at every American citizen's private photo gallery on their phone? Or their ring doorbell camera? Or their cameras outside of their house.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:10

There are times when this technology is great, and I'm glad we have it.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:16

Luigi Mangioni couldn't get out of Manhattan without being seen because of facial recognition software. These are public places. There is no expectation of privacy in a public place. When you walk down the streets of New York City, there's cameras everywhere.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:36

But when you enter people's private effects or their private papers, you have a problem.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:48

I see you, JD. I know you posted a bunch of times. I don't know what's going on. I've been having technical issues all week. I even called the the um the customer service number of the software, and they were basically useless. The Fourth Amendment says this the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the person or things to be seized. That means the warrant must say, we're entering Ryan Samuel's home because there's cocaine there. We're entering his bedroom of his home because we have information there's cocaine there. It has to be very specific. It's it's important. Look at it. And you you make the decision for yourself. And then I want you to call your congressperson and tell them to reach backwards and pull their head out of their ass and vote against extending Section 02, 702, or at least implementing safeguards to protect American citizens from this warrantless friggin' system. Tear the whole thing down and rebuild it with something else. Thank you very much for tuning in. I'm so grateful to have all of you here. Um make sure you hit that like, share, and subscribe button. We will be back tomorrow night. Um haven't had a topic yet. There was an attempted, I guess, attack on um the UFC. I've been waiting to get some more information before I release that. It's it's kind of interesting um the subject matter on that guy. I might talk about that or something might else uh will come up tomorrow. But thank you so much for tuning in. God bless you, God bless your family, and God bless the United States of America. Good night.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:07

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