Supernatural: Tall Tales (2x15) | Recap & Lore

Supernatural Season 2, Episode 15, Tall Tales recap 🧼 Urban legends are coming to life on a college campus, Sam and Dean can't stop bickering, and the Trickster (Richard Speight Jr.) makes his very first appearance on Denim-wrapped Nightmares, a Supernatural rewatch podcast. This is one of our favorite episodes so far.

The boys have been on campus for a while, and they are at each other's throats, so Bobby shows up to referee. What follows is the story told from each brother's point of view, and their versions of each other are GOLD: Sam's Dean is a snack-chowing, shot-slamming horndog, and Dean's Sam is Mr. Morality. Bobby's verdict? They sound like an old bickering married couple. Meanwhile, a professor takes a flying leap out a window, a frat boy gets probed by aliens, and something with teeth is living in the sewer.

Episode Highlights:

• The brothers' dueling versions of the story, as told to Bobby
• Sam's impression of Dean at the bar (accurate)
• The frat boy's alien abduction, including a slow dance to Lady in Red
• A crop circle on campus (of course)
• The alligator in the sewer, an urban legend classic
• A very cute janitor (Richard Speight Jr.) laughing at Dean
• A tower of sweets that belongs at a baby shower
• Our first tongue twister: How many tricks could a trickster turn if a trickster could turn tricks? (LA did not nail it.)

In the lore segment, we dig into tricksters, some of the oldest and most entertaining characters in world mythology: rule-breaking, boastful shapeshifters found everywhere from Norse myth (hello, Loki) to African and Native American traditions. We cover Anansi, the West African spider trickster who got out-tricked by a chameleon (which is why spiders hide in corners), Coyote cutting out the sun's heart, Glooscap tricking Summer into following him north, and why so many scholars think the trickster is one of the oldest figures in mythology.

"Sorry, I'm dragging a little ass today, boys. Had quite the night last night. Lots of sex, if you catch my drift." – The Trickster

Your turn, hunters: Whose version of the story did you believe, Sam's or Dean's? And did you clock the Trickster before the boys did? Tell us in the Spotify comments, leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts (it's how new hunters find us), or send us fan mail. Bonus points for fandom fun facts we missed.

Sources:

• https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Tall_Tales
• https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster
• https://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Tricksters.htm
• https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/tricksters

Transcript

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Berly: 0:01

Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares a Supernatural rewatch Podcast where we explore the TV series episode by episode.

LA: 0:10

over drinks, we'll discuss the lore of gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.

Berly: 0:17

I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the series.

LA: 0:20

I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride.

Berly: 0:27

Hello la Hulu barely. This was one of my favorite episodes so far.

LA: 0:32

I think it's the best episode so far. It was it was comedic. i It was well acted yet again with by both both of our guys, Jensen and Jared,

Berly: 0:45

all of our guys. Yeah.

LA: 0:48

Yeah, there's the new one in play. But ya know, it was good.

Berly: 0:53

Before we get into it, though, let's do a quick reminder of where we were last episode. Yes.

LA: 0:59

So last episode we really like just well, because Jared was a badass and his acting on fire. We realized in the beginning like Sam was missing. When we finally found him. He wasn't quite himself. And which I think it was. So we've mentioned so many times it was so well played that we were like is Something's off. Something's off first. And then it came to a certain point when Sam found Joe that really Oh, that's not Sam. Like definitely not Sam. We learned he had not Dean out for not killing him told him he would regret it. It was basically Sam was possessed by the demon that was Meg prior to this. He was hunting other hunters. So that's why he went after Sam to begin with, but he picked Sam to possess to go after these other hunters he killed. He killed Steve Whelan, I believe. And Sam supposedly who we thought was Sam was so distraught he was a murderer. He goes so his next victim is Joe. He uses her as bait after finding out that that's kind of what his dad did with her father when her father was killed to beit dean. And we do get the full story that John did use Bill's bait but what happened was that this something spawned Hell's Hello spawn that was that we're trying to capture actually ended up attacking bill so horribly that he was just clogged to pieces. barely alive. So John mercy killed him. Dean comes in. Sam shoots him in the in the shoulder when Bobby comes along, realizes Sam's not himself throws holy water on them. They tried to do the devil's trap thing. But Sam's demon has put some lock on him like a brand on his house for arm kind of basically trapping him inside of Sam. So he breaks the devil's trap. As he's kind of torturing Dean and baiting him that he's a piece piece of crap. He's worthless. He can't couldn't have saved his daddy. He knows deep down he'll never save his brother. And Bobby comes in, burns that symbol that's on Sam's arm, and the demon just escapes. Immediately. Bobby mentions later on about the murder of Scott Whalen Whelan that we know that Sam actually did do earlier, but it was the demon. And Bobby knows that boys had something to do with it. And he's just like, keep it that way. Last is Sam mentions that he did remember some parts of the killing and being with the demon, which of course Sam is so dramatic about but really, I mean, okay, you remember it doesn't mean that you consented to it and you were a party to it. You just you were there. You have no control. So

Berly: 3:51

long story short, the demons are still a Platon. Something that has to do with Sam definitely. Yeah, we just don't know what that is.

LA: 3:58

Sorry, that was too long.

Berly: 4:00

Also, we were both really disappointed. Whenever Meg got exercised, and the person maig died. We were and we got Dwayne next. We were like no offense, Dwayne, but you're no mag,

LA: 4:15

right. She was I love the actress, the plead.

Berly: 4:18

I do I'm so good. And Dwayne, like whatever Dwayne was just Wayne. Sassy. Sam Winchester, to me is an upgrade over Dwayne. Oh, yeah. So I'm interested to see because it escaped. It didn't get exercised. I'm interested to see what it's going to be next. Yeah. Is it going to be Dean is it going to be Bobby is going to be somebody else? I'm looking forward to that. Oh, not

LA: 4:40

Bobby. Not Bobby. No.

Berly: 4:45

All right, so let's dig into this episode. It's a gem.

LA: 4:50

Well, it's funny because last week we were like this one's so different. It's so unlike any other episode, and then we go to this one is same.

Berly: 4:57

So good. This has more comedic time. Eight out of 10 Yeah, loved it. We open up on college campus and we're outside of a building we eventually found out is named Crawford Hall. Beautiful building gets like stained glass windows. Stained Glass shirt. Yeah, it was gorgeous, gorgeous. And there's this suave elderly gentleman, I would say 40s 50s ish, with a scarf and coat and a suitcase, going up to the building. And he looks over. And there's this young woman with voluminous brown curly hair, with her leg up on the like planter kind of thing outside the building, doing her shoe. And I totally thought of chichi from to Wong foo, thanks for everything. Julie Newmar when she was trying to get a car to stop hitchhiking on the side of the road, so it was a move that was being pulled.

LA: 5:58

Yeah, but I feel like I remember thinking her clothing didn't fit. You yelled a woman and white were hurt. That's all I saw. Because I saw a woman on white and then I her feet. And then I was like, Oh, she has nude heels on. That's why I didn't see what her where her feet were. But my main thing was her outfit did not match accordingly to like the timeframe of what he was wearing. Like it seemed more old

Berly: 6:20

fashioned seemed a little more old fashioned definitely seemed way more formal for a college Ed girl hanging out on campus. Just trying to meet a professor late at night. Yeah, well, something was already kind of off if you were paying attention to the details. So she turns around and says, Oh, I was hoping to talk to you. And he said, Oh, my office hours are different from this. She's like, Oh, I wanted to talk to you now professor. And he said, Oh, well, we can make an arrangement because you're being so nice about it. So already smarmy, creepy. Yeah, creepy, not nice, takes her up to his office. And she's looking at a book and being humble. He talks about how he knows that he's quite the celebrity on campus. And she must be so excited to be talking with him. And he gets it because it turns out she's not actually one of his students. So they start making out after he makes a speech about how he couldn't possibly take advantage of her.

LA: 7:23

And I loved that. It was so rude. She was like, you know, I just respect you so much. Oh, she's a fucking stranger who came up looking the way she does into your office late hours, like gushing over that your book and oh, I just was like, geez. And he was like, Oh, you're so young

Berly: 7:39

and wide eyed. I mean, it's just so creepy. Gag inducing all around situation. So as he's making out with her, her face starts to kind of decay and wither. And kudos to the makeup department. Yes. Because with her eyes, the makeup everything. She looks like this almost zombified thing. Really well done. I enjoyed the makeup. We haven't seen makeup that clearly in a shot. I don't feel like very often and the supernatural series, and it was done really well. Yeah, the

LA: 8:15

transition was done really well, too. I agree. So like just seeing the little bits while they were kissing and then her full face.

Berly: 8:22

Yes, a professor flips his shit. And she says what you don't like me anymore. And we cut to outside Crawford Hall and there is a key in the door as this handsome mysterious little jumpsuit stranger is walking away from the door. All of a sudden we see a body fall behind him and oh, it's creepy professor. And he did. Then we have like the supernatural. Then we cut to the guys Sam and Dean in a motel and Dean is being fucking nasty chewing as loudly as he possibly can. Yeah,

LA: 9:01

he was like off screen and I was like, what is happening easier? Like, I was like, Is he making out with somebody? Or is he just like, what's the word?

Berly: 9:09

jerking it?

LA: 9:10

No, no, no. Like when you're slacking your jaws are like with gum.

Berly: 9:16

I don't know what that has a name I didn't Yeah to

LA: 9:19

name No, it does. I can't think of it right now. But I was just I could not it was something that's all you heard something like that. And I was like somebody's making out or somebody's eating.

Berly: 9:29

He was like moaning with it too. Yeah, that's why I was like,

LA: 9:32

oh is does he have a girl over there like what is happening but that was not the case.

Berly: 9:36

Sam is obviously agitated with Dean as they're bickering back and forth it's obvious Dean is pissed off with Sam as well tension they're mentioning briefly things about you know, Dean asking how's the research going and Sam going, Oh, it's going slow. I'd be doing a lot better with my fucking computer and saying something about Dean getting out of here and Dean being like, Oh yeah, I'd love to get out. Out of here if I could with my fucking car. So something's up with the computer in the car we don't really know what and then there's a knock at the door is Bobby and LA was so happy to get Bobby two episodes in a row. We also noticed while they were getting the door answering and Bobby coming in and everything, there are pizza boxes fucking everywhere.

LA: 10:22

The whole place is a mess. Why is this trash? Remnants everywhere

Berly: 10:26

we figured out okay, they've been here for a while, whatever is going on. So what follows made a lot of sense. They're telling Bobby, we've been here for a while we've been researching this case working this case and we're stuck. We are coming in to the story in the middle of it. And now they're going to tell us what's happened up into this point. I like the way they did it this time where it's a narrative of Dean and Sam telling Bobby what's happened so far when we've had episodes like this with supernatural in the past. It started somewhere and then done these cutbacks not only did we have it whereas the narrative that Bobby was being told the story but we got the different perspectives

LA: 11:08

that would make is what made the episode like the the different views of the two of them of each other is hilarious.

Berly: 11:16

It was fun. It was clever. I loved it. It starts with them talking about how they were starting at a bar, you know, there was this professor was seemed weird, whatever. We're at the bar, we're researching it. And it starts with Sam's perspective. So he's talking to two students, one of them starts talking about how Crawford Hall is supposedly haunted. That there was a professor who used to have a bunch of affairs with students and one of the students actually took her own life in the building in room 669. And it just urban legend ghost story thing going on here was Sam talking to these two students. And then he goes to the bar. It shows Dean doing three shots in a row and we thought it was Yeager it was like black it was dark, but it turned out it was Purple Nurple it's appropriate. Which actually, I've never heard that name and so long

LA: 12:11

I feel in a way I feel better than it was purple intervals than three shots a Jaeger because I'd be like he'd be like out.

Berly: 12:17

I can't even smell Gager anymore, man. Like just Alright, so for those of you who don't know, a Purple Nurple is one ounce Malibu. One ounce triple sec, one ounce blue Cracow liquor. I say that right?

LA: 12:33

It's either Corrado or Curacao. I can number no. And then two ounces cranberry juice. It's the rum for me. i The worst hangover I probably ever had. Well, one of the many was rum. One of the worst I ever had was champagne. No, champagne is like liquid. It's like flavored water to me at this point.

Berly: 12:55

It just gives me headaches. I don't know why. Well, you know with

LA: 12:57

so many people told me that my dad said his worst hangover was champagne. Like he was just puking the next day didn't

Berly: 13:04

make me puke. But it did give me such a bad headache that I literally couldn't function. Well. I've

LA: 13:09

heard it's like it's perfume going in poison going out, but not for me. Not for me. Most of the time. Anyway, I guess I should say. I think if I mixed it, it probably wouldn't be good. No, with other things.

Berly: 13:22

So we're still getting the story from Sam's perspective. So he walks up to the bar sees Dean doing the shots. And there's this cute little blonde behind them that has on fishnet stockings with the cut off denim skirt. And she turns around and she's giggling Dean is introducing her, and then she vomits in her mouth and swallows it.

LA: 13:46

She did really well I have to get I liked

Berly: 13:49

the actress. She sold it 100 She went all in Yeah. And she just smiled and was like just trying to keep my liquor down. And Sam was just a pole uphold. And then it cuts over with a voiceover Dean being like, it didn't happen like that. And of course, Dean's version, the girl was this sleek, sophisticated woman and a black dress. Oh, get past the knees. Yes, walk tight lock pumps, who just couldn't keep herself from commenting on how attractive Dean was? She said something along the lines of it's like looking into the sign.

LA: 14:28

Oh my god. I think I read I wrote something about that. What did I say? Uh, yeah, that was the thing. She was like, it's just so hard to concentrate. She, she and she like put her hand on the side of her face. And she was like, it's just like looking into the sun. I mean, just mesmerized

Berly: 14:45

by Dean. And Sam interrupts them like,

LA: 14:47

Dean.

Berly: 14:49

What are you doing and the facial expression that Jared Padalecki made here with Hearst lips and everything you're talking about going all in on the performance

LA: 15:00

He was like a total mom.

Unknown: 15:02

Like, and I feel like you've just looked at and sounded and seemed like a mom. And as Sam

Berly: 15:07

was talking, it eventually blends into blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So good. It was so great. It was entertaining. We cut back to the motel room where Sam is interjecting with Dean now being like, that's not what I sound like. And Bobby keeps trying to get them on track to tell him what's going on like quick bickering and making fun of each other.

LA: 15:32

Yeah, accurate. And what he said because I made you rewind it. Bobby literally said, you sound like to your bickering married couple and I was like, wait a minute, rewind that to make me make make sure he's said what I thought he said because that's exactly what I keep saying there are a couple in love. Even though they're brothers they are the way they behave and their conversations there are a couple of love

Berly: 15:55

like we're not when says shippers but oh, no, no on

LA: 15:59

that. But they're just the intense the intensity of their conversations and the emotion of it all. I just like, I like I told you, I'm like, I would never have that with my sibling. Like I don't maybe if we were in these high stakes situations, I don't know. But it's just very

Berly: 16:16

codependent subject.

LA: 16:19

Oh, no, that may not be the right word. Like it's just to me. It's not sibling, like the intimacy

Berly: 16:27

level is different. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

LA: 16:30

It's not it's not right. It's just the intensity and intimacy, the intensity. It's just on another level of, of siblings that I least have seen or know of.

Berly: 16:42

I'm so excited that you're this tipsy because I actually wrote Whoa, I wrote I wrote a tongue twister that I want to try to get you to say, I'm fine. I don't know that I'm even going to be able to tell you the tongue twister that I wrote because I'm not I'm I'm fine, but I'm not like fine. Anyway, so Bobby gets them back on track and they tell Bobby that they went to Crawford Hall to go check things out. We see them walking into the professor's office. They are being led in by the mysterious stranger we saw near the beginning of the episode. This character's name for the vast majority of the episode is a janitor. The janitor outfit was on point to whoever and wardrobe decided we needed to have a belt. Thank you. Yeah, you were into it. I was into it. That taught little waist when they walked into the office. I liked it a lot. Janitor is telling them about the professor and that he wasn't such a nice guy. They asked if he had seen the professor go up to his office with this mysterious woman in question. He said No, but I've seen him come up here with plenty of other people. Direct quote. He gets more asked than a toilet see?

LA: 18:00

Right well, did you mentioned he called him Mr. morality? Because like that was something about his book his book. Yeah, that's yeah, that again, rich. But another reason since this is coming from sans view. They had some sort of snack thing and that

Berly: 18:18

thing it was like brittle or something. I couldn't tell what it was like that. Or like,

LA: 18:21

Chip. I don't know. I couldn't tell what it was. Yeah, but in Sam's mind, Dean was just challenging the fuck down on these snacks that were just in this random apartment.

Berly: 18:31

I mean, his look like a squirrel with his cheek shul squirrel

LA: 18:35

chipmunks I mean, it was didn't even look like himself. How filled his cheeks were with the snacks. And that you could tell Sam was just like disgusted with him. And it was just again, so funny from their different points of view. What went on and it was just too funny, but also

Berly: 18:52

showed a shot of janitor laughing at Dean. Yeah. Which I think that shot was purely just to be like, Oh my God, look how fucking adorable this janitor is as he's giggling at Dean being all silly. I feel like that's what else was the purpose of the shot LA.

LA: 19:07

Just well to acknowledge how ridiculous he looked stuffing his face. No, you just won't believe he's just like, oh, that adorable.

Berly: 19:14

Oh my god. He's just adorable. That's what we were supposed to do. That was the purpose of this. Sorry.

LA: 19:18

We disagree on it.

Berly: 19:20

I don't. I was about to say. I was

LA: 19:22

gonna say I don't disagree. He could be

Berly: 19:24

adorable. He's just, you just don't think he's adorable is I think he's right. Exactly. It's

LA: 19:29

not like if I mean, kudos, I'm excited. Like, if

Berly: 19:32

I was to be like, Oh my god, we're gonna fight over him. You'd be like, No, you could have them, right? Yeah. But if he asked for your number, you wouldn't say no, necessarily. Right?

LA: 19:40

It'd be like, well, you should probably give your number to my girl. That's what oh, I'm a good friend.

Berly: 19:47

Yeah, like, as I just mentioned to the shipper thing, and we talked about how we ship ourselves with the fictional characters. Yeah, so you still just have two ships, right? Yeah, you don't show far. You don't ship yourself with Bobby.

LA: 20:00

I mean, I would shoot myself to be friends, Bobby, like BFFs Best Friends Forever,

Berly: 20:05

but I have three ships now.

LA: 20:07

What do you mean Sam? And was the editor? Oh, janitor. Okay. All right. I'm just still Dean Sam. And Daddy. Oh, that's right. So you are three you can't forget about Daddy. See, I

Berly: 20:20

don't shoot myself with daddy.

LA: 20:21

I mean, not daddy's character but the guy.

Berly: 20:25

You ship yourself with a real life person Jeffrey.

LA: 20:28

Maybe we should say that. Because daddy's not a great guy. So no, no, I'm still just the two demons. But hey, kudos to Geoffrey De Morgan's wife. I forget her name, and I shouldn't I apologize. Because she's I love her. I've seen a lot of stuff she's

Berly: 20:46

most guys or I really like amazing. Yeah. Like kudos

LA: 20:52

to you. And so she was on One Tree Hill. I do want to regret not knowing or knowing but i i do like her. I've seen her advocate for really good stuff. And I like her.

Berly: 21:02

Same thing with apples and paddle lucky and all of Oh, really?

LA: 21:06

Oh god. I love it. I love it.

Berly: 21:08

Yeah. Anyway, I'm

LA: 21:09

sorry. That was get back to you.

Berly: 21:10

We love you ladies. We respect you like oh my god. Yeah, we hope you don't mind that we objectify and sexualize your husband and you

LA: 21:17

have fabulous husbands. Yeah,

Berly: 21:19

let us know if you ever want a Chinese chair.

LA: 21:22

Oh, what? Well, what a Chinese chair. I'll be part of a throttle. Honestly, like if you think about it, like what about a throttle it like you know, commitment?

Berly: 21:37

We're in Dallas. We aren't anywhere near you.

LA: 21:40

You just need to need to come by time and let's just hang out hang.

Berly: 21:45

Tag us in. Yeah, and you don't just have to tag us in with them. I'm fine. I can hang out with a woman. I'm in good

LA: 21:51

times what I meant. Oh, I'm saying like this to the to the wives like hey, can you throw up? Oh, yeah, I'll still have a good time. I'm not gonna like know if it's I won't go down on you.

Unknown: 22:04

I wouldn't necessarily say no to you going down on me. Exactly. Right. Right. Like I don't know that I could return the HLC handlers talked about that. She's like, I've done that. Uh, you know, it's fine, but it's like, oh, it was great. But like, I'm so sorry. I'm not gonna do that return the favor. I have no interest in thing I like about some people are just givers though. I'd go for it. Go to town, right. But

Berly: 22:31

tie me up Winchester style. Oh, have some fun. Yeah, yeah. But I hope that uh, thank you will be a sufficient return right now.

LA: 22:39

Good job. Yeah. You were great.

Berly: 22:43

Where's your husband?

LA: 22:48

I'm ready for that now. Thank you. Cindy. The janitor.

Berly: 22:53

The ideal for the janitor. I don't want to Clean up on aisle me.

LA: 23:00

Oh, my God. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, you need to cut off

Berly: 23:12

Okay, so we got Sam's version of this story. From Dean and him talking with janitor. We're still getting the story from Dean's not Dean Sam's perspective. We're back in the motel room. They're talking about everything trying to figure shit out. They were thinking it was a ghost because of the ghost story they got at the bar, but there wasn't any EMF. They aren't really sure where to go from here, samples out his laptop to do some research and immediately gets pissed because it's frozen on a porn site. He asks deems busty Asian Asians best busty Asian beauties.com. Yeah. And he asks Dean about it. And when he says the site name Dean just kind of makes a face like maybe he wasn't sure that he didn't do it. leaves the room. So Sam is pissed because his laptop is fucked now.

LA: 24:05

I will say though, he can't get you mad because Dean walked in on him. Look at it some porn on his own laptop. Prior to this. It was a TV. No, it was I thought it was when they were

Berly: 24:17

in the motel room. Because remember, Sam was sitting at the edge of the bed awkwardly and you didn't like how Sam was sitting. You're right. You're like he looks like he's watching football. Even

LA: 24:26

then, Sam. Don't. You know? Don't shame your brother. Yeah, he had to borrow your laptop and like fuck, like, You boys are on the road all the time. Just the two of you. I mean, come on.

Berly: 24:38

Bobby is asking them questions trying to get more information because they keep interrupting their story to bicker at each other. So Bobby is trying really hard to keep them on track in order to figure out what the fuck they're hunting. The guys eventually get back on track and tell them okay, we found out about another incident that happened at crow offered all this one was an alien abduction,

LA: 25:04

which I was all in. I was like okay, aliens, obviously. I mean, there's nothing that's gonna surprise me in the show at this point. So I was like, okay, aliens. Make sense? Let's do it.

Berly: 25:15

We see the guys in a bar, they're talking to this frat guy who's telling them the story of his alien abduction. And he apparently got probed over and over and over again. His words his words. Sam and Dean are not reacting very appropriately this mostly Sam

LA: 25:36

who I would have thought to laugh. Yeah, which you would think it would have been dean but Sam, we had again, I was like I wouldn't. We watched the scene I was like, is from one of those perspectives because Sam had to like turn his face and like chuckle, which I feel like isn't necessarily Sam, it would have been more Dean. Dean was like straight face. So

Berly: 25:54

but yeah, it was funny. The alien also made him slow dance with him to a total banger called Lady and red.

LA: 26:04

I also just kind of loved how willing he was like, alright, we're doing this we're dancing. You know, how can you not dance, slow dance to that song.

Berly: 26:13

We also see the guys on campus. And they see this basically, it's like a crop circle. And as they're investigating, they're saying this was definitely something that was burned into the grass from a jet engine or something like that. So they're really confused at this point. We've got this ghost story over here. Couldn't find proof of that. Now we've got the alien abduction story. And we've got this weird crop circle thing. That's proof of that. while they're on campus, they ended up talking to a fraternity pledge who confesses that the guy who got abducted by aliens is a piece of shit. And I thought something of note was that he said, Yeah, we heard what the aliens did to him. Now he knows how we feel which we've all heard these horrifying hazing stories. We've got another victim, not a good guy. And the story we find out as being told from Dean's perspective at this point, because of how Sam reacts. He says something along the lines of hey, I know this had to have been hard for you. I'm so proud of you. You're so brave, brave little soldier.

LA: 27:21

And he hugs him in his arms is face just like so. You're too precious

Berly: 27:25

for this world. It cuts back to the motel room where yet again, Sam and Dean are bickering about their perspective on the story, making fun of each other. Sam says I never said that. And Dean says you always say stuff like that. They're also bickering about the laptop and bringing up the car again, talking about the connection between the victims is that they're both dicks just a lot of back and forth. But fortunately, Bobby is observant. And he is picking up all this information, not just what they're telling him as far as things they've collected from cases, but he's also paying attention to Sam and Dean. The next thing that happened was a professor. I don't know if he was a professor actually. We know he was an animal, but they call him his

LA: 28:18

professor. It was okay. But I think he was like doing testing on animals. Yes,

Berly: 28:23

yes. That's for sure.

LA: 28:24

He wasn't mine. If he goes, Yeah.

Berly: 28:27

He He's the next victim of whatever it is that they're hunting. They show him leaving Crawford Hall and he spots something shiny in the sewer grate. And he goes to reach for it and I commented on it was a fucking watch like fuck that. Why would you do that? But la commented on how if it's a Rolex, that you might be sticking your hand down there.

LA: 28:50

Like a condo somewhere for that much for just a wad.

Berly: 28:54

I had no idea. I don't know shit. While his hand is down there, we start hearing growling and then he's screaming and yelling, trying to get his hand out of there. It turns out it was an alligator in the sewer. We see Sam and Dean go to the morgue to check out the body and it's literally just an arm and a leg in a bucket is pretty gross. Like we're not a bucket. What is it? Like a box? Something like that? But they comment you know, he experimented on animals. He was a dick. So it fits the pattern. It was pretty fucking gory.

LA: 29:28

Yeah, yeah, it was not. It was great.

Berly: 29:30

We had to rewind it. We were like, is that an arm and a leg?

LA: 29:32

I was like

Berly: 29:36

because I assumed it was just two legs. Yeah,

LA: 29:39

I did it first do and then when they're they went to a different angle. I was like, Oh, that's a hand.

Berly: 29:45

The guys comment that they searched the sewer trying to find the alligator and they acknowledge that it's an old urban legend that somebody flushes a baby alligator down the toilet and then it ends up growing up to a full size and wandering the sewers and yada yada yada. Dean is climbing out of the sewer. So we're getting the story from his perspective. He moves the giant manhole cover aside and seems coming out and climbs out. He turns the corner and he sees baby parked down an alleyway, all for tower tires. I almost said towers. tires are flat. And there's a money clip on the ground, which he picks up and it's happens to be engraved with SW, and he just goes sale. He goes match.

LA: 30:36

Also like why would Sam slash all of his time, right? Oh, I mean,

Unknown: 30:41

he did.

Berly: 30:41

He did say whenever Dean was giving him a hard time for being upset about the computer. He did say how mad would you be if somebody messed with the Impala? Well, so I understand how that seed got planted. Very different. But I don't think Sam would ever actually fuck with the Impala, right? And that catches us basically up to when Bobby shows up at their door. They say you showed up like an hour later. So that's why they were being so pissy with each other. At the beginning of the episode, Bobby reveals that he's heard enough. He's got all the information he needs. And he knows that what they're dealing with is a trickster.

LA: 31:20

Obviously, huge jackass.

Berly: 31:23

He's does the biggest clue was the two of you the fact that you guys are going at each other. It obviously knows who you are. It obviously knows it's on your trip that you're on its trail, and it's trying to throw you off by pinning the two of you against each other instead, classic, Bobby has to school them all what a trickster is they haven't because they try to act like oh, yeah, okay. But what is It's cute. It's a cute little so once

LA: 31:49

again, it's sir daddy, be surrogate daddy.

Berly: 31:53

Hey, explain to them that it's more like a demigod and that everything matches the pattern. They tend to go after the high and mighty they're not being great people like karma. kinda, you know, they ask what do tricksters normally look like? And Bobby says like, typically, they look like humans. And so Dean and Sam look at each other and think okay, who do we who do we know? That's been at Ground Zero all along? The fucking hot, sexy janitor.

LA: 32:22

I don't think that's where their mind when

Berly: 32:25

it was. We cut to somebody sitting at a chair looking through frickin National Enquirer magazines, Star magazines. That's right. But that's what we looked up right? Yeah. Where they're seeing the ghost and aliens and alligator in the sewer. And he is just chuckling away having a grand old time and he calls his doggy over, says, Hey, let's go get some food. And then he gets up and he shimmies his sweet little ass over to a table of like all these desserts and he's in silk boxers that you really liked. Yes. Silk boxers because ever like think he stuck his finger in like some whipped cream or something

LA: 33:04

like a tower of just like treats and cakes was like something you'd see it like a wedding or a baby shower. It was just like tears of things. Sweets, all these sweets, to ladies. Yeah, either side of him in like lingerie.

Berly: 33:20

He goes, something's missing. And all of a sudden these two women manifest a nurse standing beside him. So now LMH

LA: 33:26

I mean, could you imagine if we could do that with a woman's like, I hardly

Berly: 33:30

leave the house. Now if I had those skills.

LA: 33:35

I would never leave ever.

Berly: 33:40

I wouldn't even need a job. Yeah,

LA: 33:43

if I can manifest the two of them. To me all the time. Man.

Berly: 33:50

All right. I told you. I wrote a tongue twister. And honor a janitor. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so are you ready for it? Okay, how many tricks could a trickster turn if a trickster could turn tricks?

LA: 34:03

How many tricks could a trickster turn if a trickster could turn tricks a bass? Fuck no. Not right now.

Berly: 34:12

How many tricks kind of tricks or turn up a trickster could turn checks? Look,

Unknown: 34:14

good cheer.

LA: 34:19

Yeah, good. Good for you.

Berly: 34:25

You can't do it under your breath.

LA: 34:26

Yeah, I still failed. I still failed. Exactly my point of not doing it.

Berly: 34:32

So we have our culprit laid out they know who they're hunting now. At some point they figured out how to kill it, which is these giant fucking wooden stakes that look like they've been dipped in something like that. It

LA: 34:45

looks like the tip has been like burned. Burned or tip

Berly: 34:49

Doyle and Yeah, who knows that apparently that scene got cut apparently, because they did not explain it. But they're going after him. They have this whole big plan where they go to Crawford Hall and they're telling the janitor or they need to take a look at something again and they fake this fight scene. So the janitor thinks that he's dealing with Justine. The janitor tries to seduce Dean with some of his illusions. He tells the Dean I really like you guys. I don't want to kill you. I don't want to fight you guys, you know, just hang out here have fun with these illusions. Let me like fuck off to the next town. Let's just call it square. But Dean says I can't do that. I can't let you keep hurting people. And as he's saying that the Trickster realizes that Dean's not alone. Sam and Bobby have come in for backup and they've gotten massive wooden sticks as well. The Trickster creates like a Jason type figure that has a giant fucking chainsaw. So Sam and Bobby are fighting them. And the two ladies that he created to distract Dean end up kicking Dean's ass, but they do throw him right at the tricksters feet. And Sam happens to drop his wooden stake right near Dean. So Dean is able to grab it and stake the Trickster right in his heart before the Trickster can hurt him did not like it. They're leaving the scene of the crime. Bobby says we gotta get the fuck out of here before somebody finds that body. They're getting in the Impala. And Sam and Dean have their little makeup moment where they're like, hey, no, I'm sorry. I didn't. I didn't mean anything. And they're like, Yeah, me too. And then Bobby pops out of the Impala and says, You guys are breaking my heart. Could we please just leave. They get in the car and drive away. And fortunately, we cut back to Inside Crawford Hall, we see the body of the Trickster sitting in the auditorium. And then some mysterious part little ass appears on screen and a janitor outfit from the back as the janitor as the tricksters body like eviscerates into like nothingness. And we see that the Trickster is alive and well. He lives to see another day. All right, so Gore the only literally the only gory thing was the leg. Arm. Yeah, in the tub this episode. And it wasn't even that bad. It was just Damn, that guy got fucked up. Right. So what did you adore about this episode?

LA: 37:27

I thought it was hilarious. The two views of the brothers different views of each other. And I mean, it's probably for everybody, like in a friendship or relationship or whatever. But it was just the stark difference in their views of what happened and what went down. What went down with each other. And the different scenarios like it was so funny, especially more so Sam's view of Dean or 17th of Sam. Although the one that was so funny of Dean's was when he was like, You're so strong. You're too. And then yeah, and then a deed was like, Well, you always say pansy, stuff like that.

Berly: 38:07

You didn't like it at the bar or whatever. It was like, What are you doing? You'd like that impression?

LA: 38:12

Oh, my God. Well, yeah.

Berly: 38:15

Okay, well, what I adored about this episode was Richard Speight, Jr. Oh, I know, I adore him. So compact body. I did enjoy the bickering and the different perspectives

LA: 38:29

as well. But it was cute. It was funny too. I don't think I've laughed more in an episode than this.

Berly: 38:34

Same same. We were cackling Yeah, it was so 10 out of 10. It was so good all around. I enjoyed all of it. Alright, so on to the lore. What do you have for us today La?

LA: 38:47

Well, as Bobby mentioned, they were dealing with tricksters and Tricksters are not something that's uncommon in our history, while some of us anyway, they are among one of the most entertaining characters in our world mythology. They are usually male. They delight in breaking rules boasting, playing tricks on both humans and gods, which that was one thing I was curious about this. So he was supposed to be like a demigod, right? Yeah,

Berly: 39:18

Bobby said more like a demigod. He mentioned Loki for sure. Because I know that name. I remembered that name. He mentioned somebody else that I think he said was from Africa. So he said there's a variety of them in the lore.

LA: 39:32

Yes. Which I found which I we know Loki we know. I think that I touch on some other ones later on that we kind of somewhat know but I was taught I picked these two that I didn't know much about. Others may know, most Tricksters are shaped changers, and they can take any form, but a lot of times they appear as animals. tricksters play a prominent role in African American and Native American mythologies. They can be found in myths also from Europeans, Asians. Pacific Islanders, and the aborigines of Australia, many of them and are really Gods demigods and heroes from around the world. And they obviously have characteristics of tricksters and the qualities of those as stew, which is ES. Hu is from African mythology, and they are a trickster hair. And it appears in some myths and tales as a trickster spider called a Nazi, and an Aussie. It's on on an Aussie, I think. Yeah, that's what Bobby said. Yeah, on an Aussie. And it's widespread throughout West Africa, and Ana Nasi is a cunning fellow who acts as a Gods assistant, but sometimes the stories reveal him trying to trick his actual God. Occasionally, the Trickster himself falls victim to a trick one myth about an a Nazi tells how he cheated the chameleon out of his field. And for revenge, the chameleon created a fine cloak of vines decorated with buzzing flies, and everyone wanted the cloak. But chameleon would not sell it to anyone but only to the spider, and the price was, he merely had to give a little food just enough to fill the tiny hole that he created in his storehouse. So the spider agreed, and went and sent two of his children with grain. But it turned out that the chameleon had secretly dug the deepest hole that anyone had ever seen underneath a little tiny hole that they could see. So on an ICS children poured the grain into a hole for weeks and weeks, and it still wasn't full and the chameleon ended up with most of the spiders wealth, and unknown Aussie received only a few winter divines for his part of the bargain, and fled from the mocking people that just like he was a joke, you know? According to the myth, this explains why spiders hide in corners of houses now because they were made a mockery, I guess from this this little myth. Oh, myth or history? I guess. I don't want to discount lore. Yeah. Now, with Native American, the tricksters, prominently, and their mythologies took form of animals, although they also have some human qualities and appear if it suits their purposes, whether it be human animal, but the majority they were coyotes, ravens, crows, Blue Jays, rabbits, spiders, or raccoons bears, and they often appear in a lot of different Native American tribes. This was a tribe I had never heard of. I'm sure there's so many I've never heard of because I'm ignorant that yeah, this was a myth of the core did Elaine Alene sounds very French to me.

Berly: 42:50

It looks French Yeah, I'm looking at your notes.

LA: 42:54

So the but this article said the core doline their people is illustrates the sly and bumbling sight of the coyote. The first people selected the coyote as their moon. But when they learned that he spied upon them from the sky and told their secrets. They replaced him with a chieftain who turned the tables by keeping watch on the coyote itself. Because the sun had killed some of the coyotes children the Trickster cut out the son's heart, plunging the world into darkness, which would be night, I would assume since they took out the son's heart. The coyote wanted to take the heart home with him but he kept stumbling in the dark, couldn't get to it. And in the end, he had to return the heart to the Sun which is stored the light to the world. But I also think like that there has to be more to that story to think that's what created in their culture. The sun daytime in the night, day and night. Yeah, you know, day and night. Day and night were delayed. Cord delayed or delayed. I was saying core to Elaine core Delaine okay, it sounds very French. Yeah. But yeah, probably just

Berly: 44:01

us being ignorant again, though. We see like in a middle of a word and we're like,

LA: 44:07

Americans were around a lot longer than the French so which this article didn't say much more about that but like just my impression of reading that I'm like that's in their native american culture probably was is what created Sun CliffsNotes version. Yeah, sun in the moon and night and day, and which I love. Anyway, there were also the myths of the Algonquian speaking people up in more, I think, Canadian territory, and they had a trickster named glue, Scott glue, Scott luscom and glue Scott lived in the cold north. And during a journey to the warmth of the South. He tricked summer a beautiful female chieftain into returning north with him and after she melted the cold of winter goose flopped. Goose glop, glue Scott Gless plus cap glass cup glue Scott plus GOP let her return home. So I think that's it's so crazy to me. I think both of these were more so like creating day and night season. Yeah. And I want the other ones were more definitely tricksters playing on people and animals. Yeah. And then this article also mentioned like now we have the Hawaiian culture as a trickster Prometheus in the Greek culture. And I think a lot of people I assume, maybe it's stupid Amido assume, but Loki in Norse mythology, just because the Marvel character, yeah, I would think that he's become more more mainstream people's knowledge, but he really does come from somewhere as far as mythology and history, which I love. And so some scholars have suggested that the Trickster is one of the oldest figures in mythology.

Berly: 45:55

Oh, he said, he's very an episode sexy janitor was

LA: 45:59

like, I'm very old I've been or something. He said something about how I'm very old. I've been around for a really long time, or something like that. There you go. Look at that. So you don't know. I mean, I wonder if he's really a form of one of these are something that from, like real mythology later on down the line? Yeah. Okay. Don't Don't tell me any who I'm gonna start back to where it was. A lot of scholars have suggested that the Trickster is one of the oldest figures in mythology, a chaotic and disorderly character that acts out many urges and desires that people living in communities learn to control and maintain social order, but that we have underlying that they just, he allows that to come out. And the Trickster myths, especially those in which the tourists, especially those in which the tricksters deeds backfire against him in some way, may have developed from the teachings of a moral lesson about the penalties of misbehavior. I could say a lot about this. And we could go like deep diving into it. But I don't know. I just, it's clearly based. Like, that's the thing that gets me all these mythologies, all these religions, it's like, it's all so similar. It's like the good and the bad. I'm really

Berly: 47:14

so happy. We decided that we were going to research the war at the end of each episode and just kind of Google is this true? What what could be true about it? Yeah, we obviously we know like that. It's not necessarily true, but just the actual mythology to it.

LA: 47:29

Well, I love mythologies. I love conspiracy. Like I love that's why we decided to do Yeah, so some people we've touched on already, that some of it I would like, love to go back into that and do more in depth,

Berly: 47:42

or some of it we're going to be revisiting in later episodes. I can tell you that right now. Oh, yeah, I'm sure because there's gonna be there's gonna be repetitive. Well, we already have Yes, yeah. So well, to close it out. I have a quote from the Trickster himself. When Sam and Dean had figured out who the culprit was, and went back to Crawford Hall. They were walking up the stairs, and the Trickster said sorry, I'm dragging a little ass today boys had quite the night last night. Lots of sex if you catch my drift. Cheers. Jealous. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.

LA: 48:22

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