Supernatural: Heart (2x17) | Recap & Lore

Supernatural Season 2, Episode 17, Heart recap 🐺 Werewolves come to San Francisco, Dean is SO excited about it, and Sam falls hard for Madison (Emmanuelle Vaugier), the strong, independent woman the boys are protecting, on Denim-wrapped Nightmares, a Supernatural rewatch podcast. Grab tissues for this one.

A man walks home after being a creep at girls' night out and has his heart ripped right out of his chest. The coroner (with a very sexy blonde bob) is stumped, but Dean is giddy: werewolves are badass, and they haven't seen one since they were kids. Silver bullets in hand, the boys trace the attacks to Madison, whose ex has been stalking her, and Sam takes bodyguard duty. What starts as a protection gig turns into a whole lot more.

Episode Highlights:

• Dean's pure joy at hunting a werewolf (silver bullets, baby!)
• Madison, a strong woman who does NOT fall for Dean's moves
• Sam and Madison bonding over her trashy soap opera
• Sam's arms. Nuff said.
• Sam and Madison finally hooking up (we had a good time watching them have a good time)
• Dean gently taking the gun from his little brother
• The last five minutes. A-plus tearjerker.

In the lore segment, we dig into the history of werewolf legends, from the Epic of Gilgamesh and King Lycaon, turned into a wolf by Zeus, to the Völsunga saga's cursed wolf pelts; Pierre Burgot and Michel Verdun, burned at the stake in 1521 France after confessing to using a werewolf ointment (watch your essential oils, people); Gilles Garnier, the Werewolf of Dole; Peter Stumpp of Bedburg, Germany; Peter the Wild Boy, kept by two English kings; the medical conditions that may explain werewolf legends; and an Australian hospital study on whether violent incidents spike during a full moon. (Plus, Berly's mandatory Michael Sheen in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans appreciation).

"What about a human by day, a freak animal killing machine by moonlight? Do you not understand? Werewolves are badass! We haven't seen one since we were kids." – Dean Winchester

Your turn, hunters: Did the ending wreck you? And is Madison one of Sam's best love interests? Tell us in the Spotify comments, leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts (it's how new hunters find us), or send us fan mail. Bonus points for fandom fun facts we missed.

Sources:

• https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Heart
• https://www.history.com/topics/folklore/history-of-the-werewolf-legend

Transcript

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Berly: 0:01

Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares a Supernatural rewatch Podcast where we explore the TV series episode by episode.

LA: 0:10

over drinks, we'll discuss the lore of gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.

Berly: 0:17

I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the series.

LA: 0:20

I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride.

Berly: 0:27

LA. My Tommy just made a noise.

LA: 0:31

I'm glad you said that because I wasn't prepared to say hello. I can drink. Hello Burley.

Berly: 0:38

I don't know if my microphone picked it up or not. It was like more or all.

LA: 0:43

Mine was doing it all day today.

Berly: 0:45

How you said that?

LA: 0:46

Bubble guns.

Berly: 0:47

Yeah, I hate that word. I hate it. It's too accurate. Change the subject. Tell us what happened on the last episode.

LA: 1:00

Okay. Well, we really liked the girl that was on the last episode. I have to shout her out. I don't think we got her name for the actress. But she played Madison. Nope, that's this episode.

Berly: 1:14

Last episode was Molly. And I'm sure was guest star Helfer.

LA: 1:20

Just kidding.

Berly: 1:20

Just one word like share Helfer.

LA: 1:23

I think that was probably your last name. I don't know. Oh, no

Berly: 1:27

tree. You

LA: 1:27

never know me who. There was a haunted highway where guy and a girl were both haunting the highway one year over once a year on the anniversary of their deaths. The lady unfortunately didn't know she was dead. But the boys helped her to figure that out by the end of the episode. It was it was a different episode. Because they like, played it all out. And then at the end was their investigation instead of like, showing the whole investigation throughout the show. And then the ending happening. It was kind of backwards. Yeah,

Berly: 1:54

it was it was from her perspective. I felt right. Yeah.

LA: 1:57

And it was it was a good one. It was wasn't as action packed. I feel like it's some of them. But no, it

Berly: 2:03

was more it was more thriller mystery. Yeah. Yeah.

LA: 2:06

And I liked the way it was done kind of backwards. Like I said,

Berly: 2:09

I do too. I enjoyed last week. Yeah. This week's I have won't lie. I cried at the end. Not like Boo hooing but I teared up. I had to use my sleeve to wipe my eyes.

LA: 2:22

It was pretty it was sad. It was it was it was a moment that a lot of thing. I just talked right over.

Berly: 2:27

It was a moment it was Wait a minute. What is it was a moment what is that?

LA: 2:32

It was yet another moment between Dean and Sam. Were those just emotionally charged? And it was just that brother big brother little brother situation. It hurt my heart. Yeah. Like I felt so like Sam crying was one thing. But then dean, no one little brother was what he had to do. And he felt bad for him to do it. Yeah, we shouldn't really be talking about this. Right at

Berly: 2:54

the start, right? Yeah, we're out. We're going out of order. So the episode opens up in a bar, and it's girls night. They're all hanging out around the table. chit chatting, having a good time. And then oh, creepy. Nate comes walking over to the table and he's like, oh, yeah, Madison, I need you to come into the office. I need you to help me with blah, blah, blah. And he's basically trying to say I need you to help me with this COC. And Madison is not falling for it. She's totally just calling him on his shit. Like, oh, yeah, really? Really? You need me to do this right now? Oh, you need a ride home. Oh to you? Well, luckily, I called you a cab. So already we like Madison. Oh, yeah. Take no shit. cute chick. She looks like the three sisters from that TV show. Charmed. She looked like they somehow all molded together with Gina Gershon, and made a new person. Right. Yeah. Beautiful, sassy. Love her.

LA: 3:46

She had real her eyes the shape are really pretty. They're very dark. She had great lips, too. I wish I had her lips.

Berly: 3:52

I liked the personality. I like everything about this character right off the bat.

LA: 3:56

What I like he's like, Oh, can I need a ride home? I've had a couple. And she's literally sitting there with a martini in front of her. It's like, Dude,

Berly: 4:02

come on. No. That didn't stop her from getting in her own car and driving later, though, did she? Which brings us to Yeah, you're right. He leaves Madison. She shoots him away. Like I called you a cab. So get the fuck out of here, Nate. So he's like, Oh, okay. He takes the L and he leaves. And as she's watching him leave, she looks over and it's like, oh, oh, there's wish catalog Winter Soldier sitting in the quarter staring at her watching her and she's like, Oh, fuck me. So she tells her girls, you know what, ladies? I gotta go. There's a creepy guy sitting in the corner watching me. And she goes and gets in her car and drives away. So maybe that was literally the one drink she had that evening and she was just nursing it the whole time. True. Well, we'll give her the benefit of the doubt cut to the next morning. Madison is in her fancy law office. And she's got the coffee pot is over at the water cooler, getting some water and it's very dramatic. It's like in slow motion as she's Getting water. She looks over and there's blood smeared on the door to creepy Nate's office. She slowly walks over and see some blood is on the floor and creepy Nate's office. And then she pushes open the office door and I Oh, creepy. Nate is fucking dead. He's sprawled out on his desk, face up. His chest has been ripped open. Like there's just gases everywhere. And she drops the coffee pot, which dramatically shatters on the floor. And she screams

LA: 5:36

it was pretty bloody. It was a bit overkill.

Berly: 5:38

I mean, his heart got fucking ripped out of his chest. What did you want them to do? La?

LA: 5:43

Well, I didn't know that at that point.

Berly: 5:48

So now we're in the morgue. And there's this very sexy I thought she was a sexy little corner with her blonde Bob and everything. And she's like, Oh, yes, detective. I'll give you anything you want. And it's Sam Winchester asking her these questions. So can we blame her?

LA: 6:05

No, no,

Berly: 6:06

we get it we get it girl. And as they're talking about the corpse, he's asking her you know, pulling out of her What do you think happened? And she's like, if I didn't know any better I'd say a fucking wolf attacked his ass but I'm gonna say a pitbull because I don't want people thinking I'm crazy. I'm Sam says, oh, in his heart was missing wasn't it? She's like, how do you know that? Mr. Detective sir. So we go to the hotel motel holiday and and Sam is filling Dean and on everything he found out of the coroner's office. Turns out there has been a string of killings going on in this area. All near like some pier. I think they said I don't remember what the name of it was. And all hookers. They let us know it was all a bunch of prostitutes that were getting attacked by werewolves and their bodies were turning up without hearts. So this Nate guy is breaking the pattern. Still, they're pretty sure there's a werewolf in the area and Dean. He's happy as hell about it. He says, Oh, they're fucking cool. We haven't seen one since we were a kid. We know exactly what's going to kill them. He's excited about hunting down this werewolf.

LA: 7:16

His it was pretty cute. He'll take a little boy and link got the boxes, silver bullets.

Berly: 7:22

He's ready. He was like werewolves are badass. Like he was very excited about hunting down a werewolf. They decide that their next course of action is to go talk to Madison because she's the one who found the latest body. Let's see what information we can get off of her. They show up at Madison's apartment. And Glenn is there. Mr. I don't know guidance church guidance counselor. Whatever he was he had on like, what's what did they go do? Like a mission t shirt? Oh, was it? Yeah. And he had brought her a casserole. And it's just like, Oh, he's a quote unquote, nice guy was the immediate vibe I got from it.

LA: 8:01

I immediately didn't trust him.

Berly: 8:02

Yeah, immediately. Right away. She's like, Oh, thank you so much for bringing in the casserole.

LA: 8:08

What did he do was like, oh, so thoughtful.

Berly: 8:10

Yeah, exactly. That's what I was looking for. I knew I'd written something down I was looking for. And he lives do we say? He's across the hall? Yeah, yeah. So they kind of Usher him across the hall. But like official police business, we need to talk to this witness and kind of get him out of there.

LA: 8:23

Fuck off. Glenn. Yeah.

Berly: 8:27

So they're asking Maddie about Nate. And it was hilarious. When she was talking about um, they kind of figured out that she was saying, well, he's harmless, but like, what is it? And she said he you know, he's just one of those guys that gets a few scotches in them and I'll hit on anything within a five mile radius. And then it shows Dean like doing his classic smile, flirtatious thing. And Sam staring at him is like, Yeah, I know, that type

LA: 8:53

of stuff. And it's just like, you know, you know, the type. And I feel bad, but aware. I was like, see, I'm not okay. But then the way Dean was laughing like, it was so cool. I was like, okay, Dean. I can't defend you there. Sorry.

Berly: 9:08

So it was just like, Yeah, I know, I know exactly what you're talking about. So she tells them about Nate. And as they're chatting along, Kurt ends up coming up who is wishlist catalog, Winter Soldier that was staring at her all creepily at the bar. And he has an ex boyfriend who's basically been stalking her for the past few weeks. He just keeps turning up. So they're thinking Kurt is probably the guy he's probably seen her boss hitting on her didn't like it ended up attacking him yada yada yada. So Purtz the next person we're gonna go check out after they leave. It shows Madison hanging out in her home, and she looks outside and a wish catalog. Winter Soldier is standing on the sidewalk staring up at her window watching her so yeah, he's definitely a creep. In the meantime, Sam and Dean have broken into Kurt's apartment. They're looking around Round checking things out, we kind of get from the perspective of whatever is watching them. And the vision is kind of hazy, like predator style, what have you. So we know whatever it is, isn't human, it's like rounded. Yeah, and different colors kind of. So we know it's not human is something animalistic watching them that's in Kurt's apartment, and doesn't attack them, but is definitely there and watching them and they're missing it somehow. Then it shows Dean walk out onto the balcony, and he looks over and sees there are these giant scratches in the concrete wall that goes all the way down. So he's pointing that out, like, what the fuck is this? And then we see that same animalistic perspective outside. So whatever it is got out of the apartment without Sam and Dean noticing, and it's now outside hiding behind a dumpster, some poor security guard comes across whatever it is, there's like, whoa, what's going on there? That's like my remember. And he does not live from that little altercation. Sam and Dean, hear him scream, hear the noises from him being attacked, they go find the body, and they call the cops to come get it. Sam and Dean realize whatever their hunting is obviously still out on the loose, still killing shit. Madison might be in trouble. It's, it's gone to Kurt's place. They're still thinking it's Kurt at this point. They go to her apartment and she tells them about how he was there. And they decide one of them needs to stay with Madison to make sure he's safe. He to make sure she's safe and the other one needs to try and go track down Kurt. And at first dean is pretty presumptuous that he's the one who's gonna get to stay with the hot girl, of course. But Sam, to his credit, he fights for it this time. He's like, why are you always the one that gets to stay with the hot girl. I want to stay with the hot girl this time. And it's because she's intelligent. He thinks she's impressive. He's noticed that she has good books around the apartment and all these other kinds of things. So they do rock paper, scissors, and Sam beats Dean So Dean has to head out to go track down Kurt. And Sam gets to stay with the hot girl and the hot girl. It's subtle. I'll give her that it's subtle, but she's definitely DTF

LA: 12:25

well as like as she was walking around at first I was like, okay, she she into him or she annoyed with them like at first. But then I was like, oh,

Berly: 12:33

when the panties came out, right? I was like, there's not a question anymore. There

LA: 12:37

was something she did before that and I was like, Oh, I know what she's doing.

Berly: 12:39

She told him to sit on the couch. Yeah, you were saying I know what she's doing right away.

LA: 12:44

I get it girl. And then she was she goes and gets her laundry basket. He's sitting at her table and she flips it over and it's like nothing but under watch. How long

Berly: 12:53

do you wait to do laundry that was a shitload of panty that's more than I own. It was all bar lot of pants. Like we're talking a small laundry basket full of nothing but pani it was a pile a big pile. Yeah. And who folds her panties like that? I don't have the patience for that.

LA: 13:13

I do. And usually because after watching Marie Kondo, I was like, Okay, I'll just fold them and put them in this row.

Berly: 13:20

Maybe I should be folding my panties. Maybe because I don't fold my panties is why I don't have a Sam Winchester hanging out in my house trying to watch TV and hang out with me.

LA: 13:31

Maybe I need to unfold my panties and leave them in a pile and then when I do have one over, which I never have,

Berly: 13:36

maybe I need to say fuck panties altogether.

LA: 13:39

Oh, maybe I don't know. nares. But she she's playing them good. Yeah, they have

Berly: 13:46

bonding. Yeah. She puts on her dramatic Soap Opera TV show and he actually gets into it and they joke around about it, which I called this back in season one. I said Sam, he loves tea. He likes rom coms. He likes soap operas. I called it way back then. I think it was route 666 that I was just like, Sam likes him some drama. I can just tell. Oh, yeah. Now here we are. Sam getting all wrapped up in this soap opera, whatever it was. He likes his stories. He does. He enjoys his stories. It was cute. It was cute. They had really good chemistry. And they definitely you could tell they were hitting it off and that there was something there. They wanted it. Yeah. So while this whole bonding moment stuff is going on, Dean checks in with Sam and let him know that he got a lead on where Kurt is. And he's kind of teasing Sam being like what she wearing and stuff like that. Dean is able to track down Kurt, but when he finds him, Kurt is in the process of being attacked. It's in the middle of the night. And oh, it's Madison. She's aware. Well, she like slams Dean back up against a wall. Luckily he's able to keep consciousness just long enough. To like slasher with a silver knife, which since she's a werewolf and it's silver, it's going to leave a mark before he like conks out. She escapes though obviously because she knocked him on his ass. Dane call Sam the next morning and he's like, Oh, hey, great job watching her. She's the werewolf by the way. She totally fucked me up, but I managed to get her. It's on her right arm just under her elbow, go look and see if there's a scout a gash there. So Sam goes in and checks on her and she's magically naked, and yet also completely wrapped up in a sheet under the covers so that she's just able to stand up and walk out from under her blanket. Always just, you know, magically bring it up like that,

LA: 15:43

not me were ragging it out from being tucked under.

Berly: 15:47

I would have had like one tip out already like. So Sam sees she does have the gash, and he's just like, Ah, he's trying to explain to her what's going on. She of course, thinks he's insane. ties her up to a chair, all kinds of stuff. It's not cute, sweet, fun. You know,

LA: 16:10

I also would have been a little worried when I woke up naked, and he was the only other person in my apartment.

Berly: 16:15

Well, she did ask what happened in my pajamas. But she was concerned. She didn't seem that concerned.

LA: 16:21

I mean, in a way, I can't blame her. But it's still I'd be a little freaked out. Well, he

Berly: 16:24

was obviously pissed off also, like agitated, so I think she was more like what the fuck is going on? Anyway,

LA: 16:31

I also meant to mention, in the last episode, how Molly just like willingly got in the car with them. No, that's a no go.

Berly: 16:39

See you say that. But you and I have had conversations many times about how and this is not me bragging just to be perfectly clear about how we've been out and like a guy's brought us a pitcher of beer. And I've just been like, look, and started drinking. With you being like,

LA: 16:54

what are you now? I've got real stranger danger. And

Berly: 16:59

I need it. I need it. But

LA: 17:02

I mean, these ladies just are willingly trusting these guys a lot of the time which says puppy I say we get it. But in reality, I'd still be like, strangers. They could be hot psychos.

Berly: 17:14

You've watched too many Ted Bundy. I know things back to the show. Yeah, back back to the episode. So while she's tied up, Dean shows up and they're talking about Madison debating about you know whether she knows she's a monster or not. Does she blackout when it happens or not? Can we save her or not? And Sam brings up that in Big Daddy John's journal. He had a theory that if you killed the liken or werewolf had been a person that that could potentially heal them. And Dean at first says there's no way for us to even know when she got bit. Sam says, Oh, but I think we do because when they were having their bonding conversation, Madison mentioned how she had gotten mugged. And that changed her life. It really just put things in perspective. She didn't want to fuck around with Kurt anymore. She didn't want to fuck around with being insecure and passive anymore. So Sam knew she had had this violent act happened to her. They go out and they're talking to Madison. And Sam asked her Hey, how long ago were you mugged? She said it was about a month ago. And he said, did the guy bite you? She says how do you know that? That question gets asked of them so many times. How did you know that? How could you possibly know that? They go on look at her neck. And Dane makes a comment about how Oh, that's a love bite. Like he could have really fucked you up more than that. I wonder why he didn't. And you actually had the suspicion at the beginning of the episode that it was neighbor Glenn, who was the werewolf which technically ended up being true, just not the one they were just not the one they were after. Well, I mean, he was the one they were after they just there were two eventually. Yeah, it was it's kind of like last episode. It wasn't one ghost. They were hunting. It was two right same thing and this one is not one where whole there's actually two I said where hope. They figure out okay, you were near Hunters Point that's where all these hookers have been getting attacked. That's obviously this OG werewolves hunting grounds. So they decide Dean is going to go and hunt down the OG werewolf kill him. Sam is going to stay with Madison and see if she doesn't turn. Dean goes hunts down the werewolf saves a hooker. She doesn't say Thank you, Dean seems very offended by it. She runs off and Dean looks down and sees that the werewolf is in fact, Glen. And as Glen is dying, he turns back into a human and he doesn't know what's going on. So now Dean feels like shit that Sam was right. That Madison didn't know what was happening when she was turned. She's not a lying dirty bit. She was trying to get away to go kill people. She's not evil. She literally doesn't know what happening when she's turned. Dean goes back, let Sam know what the deal is. Sam and Dean tell Madison that should be okay. You shouldn't turn. And she says thank you. They go sit in the Impala and are kind of staking out just to make sure she spots them. She makes a comment about how their car isn't really, like, you're not inconspicuous with this ride. Like I spotted you out here. If we're gonna wait it out, you guys may as well come upstairs and hang out with me. So they go upstairs, they just kind of hang out all through the night. They tell her you changed in the middle of the night last time. We really got to wait till sunrise to make sure she doesn't turn. And so they think Oh, we did it. We saved her. We killed the vamp, not vampire. We killed the werewolf and we're good to go. And they're all happy and Dean just kind of as awkwardly hanging out there. And then he's like, oh, yeah, so I'm gonna go back to the hotel. And yeah, as he's leaving, he does the Breakfast Club, like punch to the ceiling. And Madison says, oh, yeah, that was real smooth. And Sam tries to apologize for him. And Madison's like, oh, yeah, cuz he thinks you're gonna get laid. And I'm sitting here thinking, Yeah, bitch. What are you doing?

LA: 21:10

What do you think? What

Berly: 21:11

are you waiting for? And they have this conversation about how Oh, you know, I tied you up to a chair and you turned into a werewolf and scratched me up and we can't go back to how it was before. It's just too awkward. But then they just go for it.

LA: 21:27

She goes, we're really good for her. Yeah, kudos, CUDA. And it was his arms looked amazing. Oh, my God. Next scene, and I don't know where the fireplace came from.

Berly: 21:39

I didn't see a fireplace in that bedroom earlier, but whatever. It's fine.

LA: 21:42

I don't give a shit. I liked the ambiance.

Berly: 21:44

It was nice. It was a nice touch. Yeah, yeah, there were close ups have his face and her face and his arms and bitter cheek. Yeah,

LA: 21:53

yes. Arms. I was like God day. Yeah.

Berly: 21:55

You said that out loud. It was like get it get it. You didn't like the song this time? The song didn't bother me this time. It just It was It wasn't a great for that. It wouldn't have been my pick. Just like with route 66. It wasn't terrible. But that wouldn't have been my pick. Yeah, it didn't. It didn't bother me for this one, though.

LA: 22:17

I just didn't think it flowed well. Anyway,

Berly: 22:19

they hook up. They have a good time. Yeah, they do. We had a good time watching them have a good time. Good for you sound good for everybody. And that it shows them laying a bed. They're sleeping. And it cuts to later on. Sam is in the bed by himself. And he wakes up and Madison is at the window. She's walked out. He jumps up and he tries to catch her but he can't she's gone. We cut to Sam running to the motel banging on the door waking up Dean being like it didn't fucking work. She turned anyway. They're leaving. Sam says he got in touch with Bobby and Bobby let them know that yeah, that doesn't work. There isn't a known cure. Even if you kill the wolf werewolf that bit somebody that's not going to work. And Dean's just like Fuck man, like I feel bad for but she's a monster. We're going to have to take care of this. And Sam is still insistent on there has to be a way for us to save her. As they're having the argument Madison calls them. She doesn't know where she is. She tells them like a street sign that's nearby. They go pick her up. They take her back to her apartment. And Madison just kind of says I can't live this way. I don't want to be somebody who's going out and killing people every night. I don't want to die. But I just can't live this way. And she looks directly at Sam and hands him Dean's guide and says this is how you save me. And Sam and Dean go to the kitchen and they have a little bit of a chit chat. And God dammit, I just Oh, I melted like

LA: 23:47

but isn't that like Dean like gently takes the gun? Yeah, while they're dinner. Like he's like, I got this bro.

Berly: 23:53

Yeah, Dean did try to say I'll do a but that's when they went to the kitchen to talk and sampling she asked me to. And he's just crying. He's so upset. We've been seeing this debate going back and forth for a lot of the season, where Dean is saying, like, we kill monsters, I don't give a shit. If they're good, if they're bad, or whatever. If they're a monster, they're not human, we kill them. And Sam has been having more of the gray area battle of we kill evil. Just because they're not human doesn't mean they're evil. And this is one of those situations where it Madison's not evil. Like she's not in control of herself when she turns but Sam's having to go put her down anyway and it's just it hurt my heart. I couldn't help it. I teared up so much. Especially whenever Sam like took the gun and was like I have to do it. I'm the one that's gonna do it. She asked me to do it. And he's leaving and he looks back at Dean and he just had so many tears on his face. His face was almost wet. He is crying so hard. And then it showed Dean with the single tear going down his face and just that gunshot and Dean flinched at the gunshot and it cut to black just that Yeah, that ending. Yeah, it was a good episode. Yeah, it was a good episode. Anyway, that's that's my recap of heart. I know I skipped over a few things, but I think I got what was important.

LA: 25:13

I don't think you seem to. Well, I

Berly: 25:15

forgot to talk about how she turned into a werewolf when Sam had her tied to the chair and she attacked him and he threw her in the closet and she tore up the closet. Oh, yeah. And that's when she realized like, oh, fuck, I don't think she realized it completely until she woke up and didn't know where she was like outside of her apartment. But I think she started realizing there was an inkling of these guys aren't crazy. They're not lying when the closet thing happened. But you know what? Now I've covered it. So there we go. Problem solved. So there wasn't any Well, I guess there actually was more the glorious thing was Nate creepy Nate getting caught on his office dal sprawled out and him in the morgue was disturbed me a little more to be honest for some reason. Did you adore anything about this episode? Oh, actually, we already know what you adored. What's that? Sam Winchester is arms back? Yeah,

LA: 26:05

man.

Berly: 26:06

It was nice

LA: 26:07

blown. I thought it was cute. Their little chemistry and dynamic and,

Berly: 26:12

and I liked the actress. I liked Madison. I liked her character. I was sad to see her go man. I liked her. I liked her more strong female characters. Even if you're gonna kill them off at the end of the episode. I'd like to see it. I'm hoping I'm hoping we get more and supernatural. I liked Madison liked the sex scene. Who Yeah, yeah, it was good.

LA: 26:32

I did love the moment where like, Dean went over and like took the gun from Sam because he's like, Yeah, little brother. I got this and he was like, ready and willing to do the job for his brother again and and then just the fact that he felt so much for him that he he was tearing up to and

Berly: 26:48

yeah, the whole last five minutes of this episode. Yes. A plus. Yeah, yeah. The last five minutes of this episode, Madison overall sex scene and the scene toward the beginning where they were talking about oh, you know, the type that he has scotch and was a hit on the Dean just being like, completely oblivious that he's that guy. I adored all of that same. So take me into the lore la

LA: 27:15

All right, well, we're doing the Lauren werewolves. And it's usually thought of as a mythological animal and it's been in tons of stories throughout you know history. Michael Sheen. Oh, I know. I already knew you were gonna be talking about God. I thought we would wait until I got through the first

Berly: 27:36

part but no Michael Sheen, but as naked hanging off a cliff getting fucked. All right. What is that movie? The Underworld? Is that the rise of likens? Whatever it's a terrible movie, but I recommend it to everyone. Because Michael Sheen naked, just with his arms out being like, oh, as he's getting fucked.

LA: 27:57

And that floor of where?

Berly: 28:05

Yeah, no, I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. Like Good God. Michael Sheen.

LA: 28:08

Alright, now that we got that, and we'll talk about it again. I'm sure. So most Legends say that there are people who morph into vicious, powerful wolves. Other times it's a mutant combination of human and Wolf. But no matter what usually they're bloodthirsty beasts and they can't control themselves and they are murderous go and murderous rampages killing people and other animals. There's no like set one that like set the legends or started it but they think scholars, smart people think that the werewolf legend started in the debut of the epic Gilgamesh which is the oldest known Western prose and when guild Gilgamesh jilted a potential lover because she had turned a her previous mate into a wolf that's supposedly the first start of the tale which fiction

Berly: 29:08

I have I have bad news for you what supernatural the TV show or watching it's actually well

LA: 29:15

I know but I'm saying like so they're saying this is the first start of it but then it's like all these people truly believe well, actually back then. Okay, nevermind. I take about another earlier appearance was in Greek mythology, which I had never heard of this and like I'm an expert on Greek mythology.

Berly: 29:31

You're not

LA: 29:32

I know it's a surprise but the legend of the like up like on its LIC a on what's which I know like in it's just no oh like on like on like on like on like on like It's like Chaka Khan Chaka Khan okay. Like on well with this legend like on the son of Pele discuss Alaska's I've heard She thought it was Pegasus. It's not. So, like on the son of Poleski. This angered Zeus, when he served a meal made of the remains of a sacrifice boy, you're a monster. And as punishment, the enraged Zeus turn like on and his sons and two wolves. And another one in Nordic folklore is the saga of the vault songs where the father and son discover wolf pelts that have a power to turn people into wolves for just 10 days, which I feel like that's probably where the lunar thing came from maybe. And so this father and son were the pelts transformed into wolves and went on a killing spree in the forest as one does, obviously. Yeah, I mean, what else are you gonna do? And the Rampage ended when the father attacked his son causing a lethal wound, which I guess they got a little too excited. And they son only survived because he had a a kind Raven came and gave the father a leaf with healing powers.

Berly: 31:07

Oh, it's like Hunger Games. Right? Somebody sponsored them.

LA: 31:14

Other ones of them. These are these aren't mythology, but these are from history. And a lot of these ended up I mean, from our school art yet again, our scholars smart people. They say that they were actually serial killers that just, you know, wild stories came about them. In 19 Oh, no, not 19 No, no, we're not there yet. Okay, we're in France, and in 1521 Frenchman Pierre burgle. Or go, and Michel Verdun. Do you like that accent? I'm putting on the ideal. I do. You know what I'm saying? They swear allegiance to the devil. Supposedly.

Berly: 31:55

Wasn't that around the time of the dance pandemic, whatever. Oh, was it wasn't it wasn't that 1400s 1500 I

LA: 32:04

think you're right. Yeah.

Berly: 32:05

So the devil made them do it. Is that what you're telling me?

LA: 32:09

I don't know. Because they have this special ointment. Oh, that turned them into wolves. Oh, watch out for your essential oils people never know. They confessed to brutally murdering several children. Monsters Jesus. And so they were both burned at the stake. And they at that time, birding was thought to be one of the only ways to kill a werewolf probably plus witches and many other things. I mean, Bernie is normally going to do it. True. You know? Yeah. As we know and supernatural. Yeah, exactly. Now Giles, Garn, yay, was known as the werewolf of dole dulay. I don't know, another 16th century Frenchman and he had an ointment as well, that had wolf morphing abilities. And when he was the wolf, he would also killed children, but he ate them as well.

Berly: 33:02

All these appointments, man I know who knew.

LA: 33:05

And guess what he was burned at the stake. Now, they say, whether Burgo Verdun or Garni were mentally ill or they just acted under the influence of like a hallucinogenic substance or just we're simply like psychos. That's for debate. They don't really know. But it doesn't really matter, because it was just so many superstitions back in the day that the 16th century with the Europeans, I mean, to them, these heinous crimes, like I guess in their minds, it was too much to handle to believe like a regular ol human person could do these horrific crimes. So it helped them I guess, in a way to make this story that it had to be some beast,

Berly: 33:46

Wolf, was the appointment. Now they turned into wolves.

LA: 33:50

Watch out, I got to watch out for my Tiger Balm. Limit your icyhot okay, I guess I gotta be a tiger. Up at the top. Huh? Ridiculous. Alright, so we'll talk about real quick, a few other ones. The bedbug werewolf when I was reading this, I thought it said the bedbug werewolf at first so that was really confused. Peter suits Dube Stubb was a wealthy 15th century farmer and bed Berg, Germany. And they say he might be might be one of the most notorious wolf of them all. Again, I haven't heard and I'm an expert, so I don't, I don't understand. He turned into a wolf like creature at night and devoured many citizens of the town. And he was actually eventually blamed for the gruesome killings after being cornered by hunters who claimed they saw him shape shift from wolf to human form. And he experienced a really grisly execution when he confessed to the torture to when he confessed under torture to savagely killing animals, men, women, and and children and eating them all. So he didn't just go after the kids down. But he also said that he had an enchanted belt that gave the power to transform into a werewolf at will. And it's in this article it says Not surprisingly, that belt was never found. It's another controversial one that he may not have been a killer but the victim of a political witch hunt, or perhaps a werewolf hunt. Either way, circumstances surrounding his death, life and death stoked rampant fears and were that werewolves were on the loose. Some legends maintain that werewolves shapeshifted it will others say they transform with this, you know, the cloak or sash or, or belt, Wolf pelt, you know, ointments, all these things we've discussed. Then there's still the one where a wolf comes up, and scratches are bites someone and then they become a werewolf, or the werewolf itself does these things. And a person only turns into a werewolf when there's a full moon, and that they say that may not be too far fetched. I mean, not the werewolf part but at least at least the full moon part because according to a study conducted at Australia's cavalry, Mater, Newcastle hospital,

Berly: 36:20

okay.

LA: 36:22

Full Moon brings out the beast and humans.

Berly: 36:25

I agree with that though.

Unknown: 36:27

Yeah. Why?

Berly: 36:28

Have you ever been out in Deep Ellum during a full moon?

LA: 36:32

I would never know is scary. Okay. This study found that 91

Berly: 36:39

Really?

LA: 36:43

Sorry, I read that wrong. The study found that of the 91 violent acute behavior incidents at the hospital between August 2008 And July 2009. That 23% happened during a full moon. The patient's displayed wolf like behaviors and attacked staff. They bid them spit them scratched at them. I like this. Then it says although many were under the influence of drugs and alcohol at the time, it's unclear why they became intensely violent when the moon was full. Why were they why did they have alcohol in the hospital? Like I get if you're giving them some drugs prescription wise, but what the fuck? Anyway? I like our werewolves we will or they will other we'll let's see. They say there could be a medical explanation that there is somebody called Peter the wild boy. In 1725. He was found wandering naked on all fours through a German forest. And a lot of a lot of people thought he was a werewolf or at least he was raised by wolves. He ate with his hands and couldn't speak. And he was eventually adopted by the courts of King George the first and King George that second and lived out his days as their pet in England. What the fuck yeah, real nice guys. Oh. And but research says that he most likely had Pitt Hopkins syndrome, a condition discovered in 1978 that causes lack of speech seizures, distinct facial features, difficulty breathing and intellectual challenges. And other medical conditions that could be mistaken for some of this. You know, mania of the werewolves is like like entropy. It's a rare psychological condition that causes people to believe they are changing into a wolf or other animal, very much a mental health issue. Food poisoning. That's odd, and then hypertrichosis to psychosis, a rare genetic disorder causing excessive hair growth, rabies and then hallucination most likely by hallucinogenic herbs. Even though throughout history, we've got many myths of these werewolves and beasts that are supposedly unexplainable. I think, in our modern times, we have a little more logical situations of what it could have been back in the day. And now of course, it's in pop culture from the beginning of Hollywood's 1941 flick The Wolf Man. And now we have our set supernatural werewolf, but it's got kind of a cult like following and of course, even today, there's sightings that are reported and, you know, the legend lives on.

Berly: 39:26

And Michael Shane.

Unknown: 39:28

Mm hmm, exactly.

Berly: 39:31

Interesting. I gotta say, I don't like that. This royal family kept a person has a pet.

LA: 39:37

Uh, yeah. And through to Kings lives. Yeah, I mean, he was like, probably an old man. That's insane. Yeah.

Berly: 39:46

I don't like all the children killing and stuff like that either. But I mean, you know, that's just

LA: 39:50

that's just cool. Yeah. Don't try to like rehabilitate him or help him in any way.

Berly: 39:55

Goodness. Well, close it out. On that So, on that joyful, upbeat note, right? We have a quote from Dean What about a human by day a freak animal killing machine by moonlight? Do you not understand? I mean, werewolves are badass. We haven't seen one since we were kids. With your dean. In hindsight, I don't know that that was the best quote to do after your lor, but it is what it is. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.

LA: 40:32

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Berly: 40:38

This was fun.

Unknown: 40:40

Church in only this bitch.