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Supernatural Season 4, Episode 20, The Rapture recap 🪽 We finally meet Jimmy Novak, the man Castiel has been wearing all season, and Misha Collins plays two completely different people, on Denim-wrapped Nightmares, a Supernatural rewatch podcast. Plus, we're back after a little break, and still finding our groove.
Dean is fishing on a beautiful, serene lake (a dream, obviously) when Cas appears with an urgent message, then vanishes mid-sentence. The boys track down Cas's vessel, and find Jimmy Novak instead: a devout family man who hasn't eaten in months, has no idea what Cas needed to tell Dean, and just wants to go home to his wife, Amelia, and daughter, Claire. But demons want what's in Jimmy's head, angels want his body back, and his family is in the crosshairs. Meanwhile, Sam's running low on something, and that's a problem.
Episode Highlights:
Misha Collins playing Jimmy vs. Cas, and nailing both
Jimmy's arm in a pot of boiling water (how did they DO that?)
Jimmy and the cheeseburgers (the man hasn't eaten in months)
Jimmy's backstory as Cas's vessel, and the faith that got him there
Anna popping into the Impala's backseat and Dean immediately hitting on her ("Not now, Dean").
Hiding his family... and Amelia getting a little too close
Claire's big moment (we had chills)
Jimmy's heartbreaking choice
Sam's secret, out in the open (YIKES)
In the lore segment, we dig into angelic possession: how angels came to be pictured as winged humans, St. Augustine's theory that angels can take on physical bodies, and Prophet Kent Simpson's case for angels possessing people the same way demons do (if it means flipping over a burning school bus, sign us up), plus why angels and demons both need vessels on Earth (so they don't burn out our eyes, apparently).
"I learned my lesson while I was away, Dean. I serve heaven. I don't serve man. And I certainly don't serve you." – Castiel
Your turn, hunters: Could YOU say yes to being an angel's vessel? And did Jimmy's choice break your heart too? Tell us in the Spotify comments, leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts (it's how new hunters find us), or send us fan mail. Bonus points for fandom fun facts we missed.
Denim-wrapped Nightmares is a Supernatural rewatch podcast hosted by Berly and LA, breaking down every episode of the Winchester saga with lore deep-dives plus cast and crew interviews. Special thanks to David Fesliyan and Fesliyan Studios.
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Berly:
Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares a Supernatural rewatch Podcast where we explore the TV series, episode by episode.
LA:
over drinks, we'll discuss the lore of gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.
Berly:
I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the theories.
LA:
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Hello La a little bit early.
Berly:
So when I was editing our last couple of episodes, I noticed I was a mess. I was sloppy and I just trying to think I was like, what was I drinking? Because I didn't say what I drank in either of the episodes. And then I remembered, do you remember I was like pouring random amounts of liquor and then I did that coconut lime, Vitamin Water zero. And I was like, oh, it's Mr. spot because the contents are a mystery. won't be doing that again.
LA:
I think you're fine.
Berly:
I wasn't hung over anything. The next day. I was perfectly fine. That's good. So I That's why I didn't remember until I was recording this bad. No, you were a champ.
LA:
I think you were fine. I feel like I haven't gotten back in the groove since we like paused, still trying to get back to somewhat being good at this.
Berly:
I think you're perfectly fine. All right. Well, our last episode, a boy named Adam called Sam and Dean looking for John Winchester claiming to be his son, Sam and Dean met Adam, assuming he's a demon or a shapeshifter or a trap of some sort, but they find out. They were right. And they should have gone with their Hunter instincts from the beginning because Adam, although He existed, he actually is there half brother John's the daddy. He was no longer with us. And it was a couple of ghouls who were trying to trap Sam and Dean to get revenge.
LA:
Well, today's episode is called the rapture. It's the 20th episode of season four, and it aired on April 30 2009. And we see Dean fishing in this really pretty suave, beautiful, very, like serene, and the colors. Yeah, he's sitting on a dark. It's like beautiful fall colors. He's by himself. And I'm like, This just seems very nice and peaceful. But then cash shows up out of nowhere, it scares them. And Cass is just like, we need to talk. And he's like, Yeah, let's do it. We're nobody's around. And then he's like, Oh, I'm dreaming. Hmm. And Cass says yeah, and this isn't, it's not a safe place, I guess. And Dean's head that somebody could be listening. He gives them a piece of paper and tells him to beat him here at wherever is on the paper. So then it shows Sam and Dean at some place that is just like wrecked. What was it? Like?
Berly:
It was a factory of some. Okay, that's
LA:
what I was thinking. But
Berly:
I was there's a lot of machinery so I'm assuming it was a factory. Yeah,
LA:
just broken shit everywhere. I think there's like little spark lights, filling spark lights, whatever that is. They see a symbol in red on the wall. And I can't remember which one of them says it. But that's something about casting angels out or something. Was that what it was?
Berly:
Yeah, they say that and I use something similar to send the angels back to the cornfield. That's what it was. Yeah, just like is that Field of Dreams reference? What was that? cornfield.
LA:
So they kind of like figured out that it must have been cast in like an eight an angel battle fight.
Berly:
Angel fight. Yeah, we know how those go.
LA:
Just by chance. They see a cast laying there on some rubble, and they go over to them and kind of wrestling wake him up. He's tells them that he's not Castile. He's Jimmy. So we are meeting the real person. The vessel Yeah. Of Cass
Berly:
different voice different facial expressions, everything.
LA:
He did a good job with that. With being Jimmy versus cast. Yeah,
Berly:
you could tell when he was each character. Like it was a clear definition or or whatever.
LA:
Yeah. Oh, in that, yeah. Cuz we're flashing back and forth. And this one, I gotta remember to say that. They take Jimmy back to the hotel room and they got him a bunch fast food and he is hungry, just chowing down. And he mentions that he hasn't eaten in months since cast took over his body. And they're asking him if he remembers anything they want to know. Like, Hey, do you remember what Cass needed to tell me? And he's like, sorry, I don't remember anything. I think he mentioned that he saw like a flash of light. And then he was him again. So that's it.
Berly:
Yeah, that's all he remembers. He didn't even get to see the cool fight. Right, right. You know,
LA:
not not got anything for you guys. He says that he is actually Jimmy Novak and He is from I forget the name of the city, but it's somewhere on iaculis There you go. Yep. And so it flashes back and we see Jimmy sitting at the table with his family saying a prayer before dinner because we as we know, he's a devout man. And he's just living his life. The wife daughter,
Berly:
he's got his hair styled very differently. Oh, yeah. No, I think no sloppy sex hair in this scene and isn't even like a button up shirt. Only. Yeah, it's all up. He's his hairs like combed over to the side. Very smooth down.
LA:
Yeah. Well, typical American family. And he is passed out later on Washington State passed out, he fell asleep in his Lazy, Lazy Boy with the TV on, and then it starts doing the whole thing when like When cast is speaking, but datakey.
Berly:
Notice that whatever was on the TV, whenever he was sleeping, it was some guy. It seemed like it was like a documentary or something. I don't know. But it was this guy saying, you know, and then I could look to my side. And I saw there was an angel on either side of me. Yeah, I don't know if it was like an out of body experience being described or something. But I thought that was a nice touch.
LA:
Yeah, he goes over to the TV and tries to like, fix it or see what's going on. And then he starts just seizing, having a seizure like thing looks like. So then it flashes to Sam and Dean, and they're chit chatting about, they don't really feel like they can let Jimmy go. They they're worried that if you know, they're wanting to talk to them, the demons are probably gonna want to talk to him and know what he knows, even though they know he doesn't know anything.
Berly:
Dean was actually wanting to let him go. So he could go back to his family like we saved the man is gonna go back. But that's when Sam was just like, dude, and Dean couldn't help but admit that Sam was right. Yeah, all that he's not going to be able to just go back to a normal life after this, unfortunately. Which is really sad. It is like,
LA:
don't offer yourself up to the angels, guys. You can never go back to your life. I
Berly:
can definitely think of a few entities I let into my vessel that if I could go back in time, I would have not said yes. Yeah, I would have been like, no, no, no. Not this vessel. Not today.
LA:
Yeah, I hear you.
Berly:
You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I get it, Jimmy.
LA:
Well, then, we see that. Oh, they I think they told Jimmy. He's like he's like Sorry, dude. Like, we can't let you go just now. Don't know when what does he say? What's the thing?
Berly:
We'll cross that bridge when we get there? Yeah. And Jimmy says, fuck, you know, I don't think he said that. He did in his mind,
LA:
probably. But he's asleep. He's all curled up in the bed, and the motel room. And then it's Dean. He sees him asleep. He's watching him sleep like a weirdo. And then he looks over and fully clothed Dean. Not under the covers, just with his jacket on him is asleep. This new classic Sam sneaks out and goes outside. But Jimmy is not asleep. sees that Sam ducked out. And he revealed when we get the reveal that he is completely fully clothed. Under the covers what
Berly:
we thought he was gonna throw back at the covers and just like, at least just have on his undershirt or something. But no, like he still had the full Suit Tie. And then his shoes were still on. Weird. In the meantime, Sam is around the corner getting his fix. And the way he was pouring the demons blood into the palm of his hand and then like sucking it out of the palm of his hand. I did not like it.
LA:
Yeah, like just a little flask though. The
Berly:
flask was cool. But why wasn't he just drinking from the flask? Why was it that? I do not know it was so we could see like we would have known or would have known why the end of the hand and then the
LA:
nose because He's weird.
Berly:
I'm so sorry. Your face you get soaps.
LA:
It's just like gross. Watch him. He's like, licking his frickin hand for
Berly:
they're driving the point home. He's addicted to it. Oh, yeah. You know, I get it. Like that's been getting driven, you know, more and more like I kind of feel bad for thinking. The first time we found out what was happening thinking it was blood play like, this is clearly like way beyond that. All
LA:
right, we see that Jimmy is now on a bus home. He ditched them and he has gone back to his family. And it flashes back to him at home. And he has his hand in this gigantic pot that is boiling water. And he's just sitting there with his I mean up to almost up to his elbow in the water. And he's just chillin, no big deal. And his wife walks in with grocery bags, like drops them and he's like, What are you doing? He's like, No, it's fine. It's totally fine. And he's like He told me to do it. Like, Oh, I want to do that she
Berly:
like looked around the room. Yeah. I think it was practical effects that they did for that too. Like, I don't think that was CGI. No, no, it was done really well. I was like trying to figure out how they did it. Logistically, I'm guessing it was just air. Yeah, blowing in the water. But there was steam around the outside of the pie. Or something that looked like maybe they
LA:
did like dry ice under it or something to maybe it
Berly:
couldn't have been dry ice in the water because that would actually burned Misha Collins hand. So I'd love to know how they did that hiding
LA:
under there. Under the pot.
Berly:
It was really well done. I liked it a lot.
LA:
Yeah. When I first looked at it, I was like, what's up? very confused. So then it's then we switch to the guys in the car. And they're just driving. And then all of a sudden Anna's in the backseat and is like, Hey guys, scares the shit out of Dean and he swerves.
Berly:
And he immediately hits on her. You look good. She's like, not now. Not now. Dean. Yeah, keep it in your pants, right?
LA:
And then she's like, reprimanding them for letting Jimmy get away.
Berly:
And she also aside i and sound being like,
LA:
yeah, she's like, something's different about you. And he's like, what a haircut like,
Berly:
she's like, No, and just stared at him until he like, got uncomfortable and looked away. And then she just, she just dropped it. I was like, Wait, yeah, I think no, no,
LA:
no, yeah. She tells them that Cass got dragged back home. And she doesn't know what he did. But that's like a horrible experience. Painful. She said, Yeah. So not looking good for cat. We flashback to Jimmy's old life. And his wife is throwing a pill water bottle in his face and telling him he needs to take his pills. He needs take his crazy pills. So he's taught me to stop being crazy. And he's like, No, I don't need them. I just, you know, you just need to understand that. What did he say? He's basically I'm special. He told me it's in my blood. Granted, I would, I would probably be like her and be like, okay, he's losing his mind. But the fact that he had his arm in the water like that, I would be like, something is up. Right, you know. But anyway, I guess Jimmy kind of knows he's preparing to do whatever Cass needs him to do. And he steps outside and it's talking to him. You know, let me know what I need to do before I lose my family here. Like what's what do you want for me? You see, like a big light above Jimmy. And he I guess he just basically agrees with to being cast as vessel.
Berly:
It's like a one sided thing because we can't understand Cassiel because it's not in our blood, I guess. Right. We're not special. We're not special. We don't get to understand what Cal CL is saying. We only get to hear what Jimmy is saying in response. Yeah. But yeah, he said Yes, I will or something.
LA:
Yeah, he wasn't. He said as long as the family is okay. He'll he'll do it.
Berly:
The shot from above during the possession, I guess was beautiful. Yeah. Misha Collins eyes just piercing through that light. I mean, it was it was gorgeous.
LA:
And then he's cast.
Berly:
Yeah. He like, yeah, just on a dime. And his daughter comes out and it's like, Daddy,
LA:
not daddy, not your what is it? I'm not your father. I am not.
Berly:
He turns and looks at her and dislike that side tilt thing with his head. He turns back around is like, I am not your father.
LA:
Poor little girl. Trump. What a way to lacing your dad says to you and then he takes off for a year. Yeah. Yikes. Put her in counseling. So at this point, Jimmy has got actually gotten back to his house from his big bus ride. He knocks on the door. His wife comes to the door. And it's just like, oh, we we stopped looking for you. Thought you were dead. You know, it's been a year. That's what I think that's when we learn. It's been a year. Yeah, she says, And he straight up lies to her and says that. Well after she lets him in and they're talking. He's like I was in a psych ward clinic. I just wanted to get myself better to come back to you guys. Because he learned his lesson last time. He can't tell her the truth.
Berly:
Well, I think it was also partially what Sam and Dean had told him that he thought he was protecting her a little bit too.
LA:
Yeah, true. And he, you know, is asking to come home. She's not ready for him. She doesn't think she's ready for that. And I think his daughter comes by, and he's like, asks to see her and she lives like, I don't think that's not yet. Not yet. And so he's like, Well, what if we just start small, you know, what if we just have dinner? So they sit down to have dinner? He starts to reach for his food? And she's like, aren't you gonna have say grace or prayer or whatever? And he gets teary eyed and he's like, No, honey, I don't think I'm going to so he's lost his faith.
Berly:
Well, I mean, it's not so much that he's lost his faith, right? Like he's got confirmation God and angels are real. He just doesn't want anything to do with them anymore. And that's almost more sad. What's that face?
LA:
Well, no, because I was like, I mean, I feel like he didn't do, did lose faith to in them,
Berly:
I guess faith in them. Yeah. In the notice. Yeah, like he knows they exist now. But his faith in them and what they do for the world and what his purpose in life was like he thought he was special and he was going to have this mission and Castiel just like wrote them around and talks to hot men for a year.
LA:
True. I mean, it's not a bad year,
Berly:
it was not a bad year. But Jimmy, Jimmy doesn't want anything to do with it. And yeah,
LA:
the doorbell rings, and I guess it's their friend Roger, he saw Jimmy show up a little while ago, I thought it was going to be that the wife Amelia and Roger had gotten together while while Jimmy was gone. That's what I thought it was going to happen. But Roger takes us inside. And he's like, you know, I need to talk to you. I forget what Jimmy says, But Rogers eyes, or he's like, I'm gonna get your daughter and make you watch and then his eyes flip. So he's a demon. And he's there to kill them or to get information from him. And you said that the out of nowhere Jimmy had a hangover.
Berly:
Maybe it was the beer bottle because the wife said, Let me go get you a beer. Oh, but I don't think she had brought them the beers before this happened. He just tries to tell Roger, you know, oh, yeah, like just, you wouldn't believe me if I told you and I'm not gonna tell you anything. And then Roger was like, Oh, I'm gonna murder your family. And then Jimmy's just starts beating Roger to death with something some sort of blunt instrument was all of a sudden in Jimmy's hand. We have no idea what it was where it came from. I thought I thought it looked like a like a rubber mallet or something. I didn't see it. I totally meant there was a hard to get a clear shot because his arm was swinging. Right swinging around. But whatever it was, I'm like, what was that? It? Was it something he brought from the dining room table with him? Was it something just conveniently right there on a side table? I don't know what it was.
LA:
I don't either. Okay, help. Yeah, so
Berly:
if anybody knows. I'm curious. I want to know. What was it? Where did it come from? Is Jimmy just walking around? packin just gonna constantly have something now? Yeah, maybe? I mean, that would make sense.
LA:
Yeah, right. You seen some shit? Well, he Yeah, he beats Roger. And then Roger's wife shows up at some point in this mix of this little
Berly:
fight. Yeah, the wife shows up Sam and Dean show up. There's
LA:
a big tussle. And Sam is trying to exercise I think the wife. But he can't do it because he's so low on his stash of demon blood. How do the demons leave?
Berly:
So Dean killed Roger Dean slit Rogers throat with the demon with the magic. Oh, that's right. Yes, yes, yes. And then he went to help Jimmy. Jimmy's wife and the daughter get out of the house. And that's when Sam was trying to exercise the wife demon. And she was like, you can't get it up. Oh, yeah. And then dean came up from behind. It was like, nope, but I can because of course he can. Oh, yeah. And that demon bailed out? That's right. Oh, and that demon went in possessed Castillo's wife. But we don't know that. Yeah, right. Go outside and shove the Novak family in the Impala and take off.
LA:
And then have another chat with Jimmy and tell him that these demons are never going to stop coming for him. Like he's going to be constantly putting his family in danger. He can't be with them. Which is awful. Thanks, Cass. And so he's kind of starting to accept it. He goes over to his wife and tells her that they're gonna get him get her a car and she needs to go to their friend's house for safety. I thought the the way he said goodbye was odd. Like he went over the daughter and basically said goodbye to her and then just like walks past the wife and gets in the backseat. I was like you didn't want to give her a hug or kiss me they
Berly:
already had their moment. I mean, when she was sitting in the car, I guess
LA:
I would have been like Hi. Lug maybe. Anyway, they drive off. And I think the the little girl I forget what she asks, but the mom just straight up slaps her.
Berly:
She was like, why is Daddy leaving again? I don't understand. Okay. Yeah. And then the mom backhand sir.
LA:
And that's when we realized she's she FEMA now.
Berly:
She called her a little bitch. Forgot about that. We're calling children that now too. Well,
LA:
then we're in the car. And Sam and Dean are talking about how Sam couldn't exercise the demon back there and he looked like he almost fainted. So Dean's a little concerned about what's going on with him. And the phone rings or Dean's phone rings and he asked who it is and hands the phone back to Jimmy in the back seat. It's the wife telling him to meet her somewhere. She's got his daughter, blah, blah, blah. And they take Jimmy to some building. He goes outside It starts calling on casts asking him like, Why the hell do you do this to me, you know, ask him for help, but nothing shows up. No, you nothing happens. i So he goes into the building and finds his wife and his daughter tied up. And I forget what what their little conversation is, but all I know, oh, she's like, I thought I told you to come alone. And he's like, I'm alone. But then these other demons bring in Sam and Dean. He, like caught them. And they had already agreed that this was probably some sort of a trap going into it.
Berly:
Dean was like I have, but don't worry, I have a plan. So when they got inside, Sam was like, great. Blandina he was like, I can't always bad 1000 I thought that was funny. Yeah.
LA:
Then the Amelia wife, demon. I forget she's talking and she's like, a time for the punch line or something like that. And then she pulls out a gun and says, like, everybody's gonna die. And she looks like she's gonna shoot Dean. Which I was. No, Sam, I think was it Sam? Doesn't matter. Anyway, I was worried. Just for a second. Or she turns and then she shoots Jimmy in the stomach.
Berly:
She was bitching about how she was pissed off that she was getting a sent to retrieve a empty vessel. But now she was really happy because she captured the Winchesters it ended up being a great time.
LA:
Like a bonus. Yeah, and one of the demons goes over to the daughter and I guess they're gonna kill her. But get a light bursts from her and her chains, or whatever was on or just pop off.
Berly:
She writes his ass. Oh, I
LA:
know. While he's getting to that. Sam's fighting one of the demons and he cuts. I don't know if he cut the throat or if it got cut in the midst of the fight, but he starts sucking the demon blood from the steamin like a vampire. And he lifts up with his bloody fucking mouth turns around and Dean's just standing there watching him pretty disturbed
Berly:
Castile was next to Dean and Castiel little little girl Castile. Yeah, they were both just standing there staring like a
LA:
gross ad, he turns back to the demon stabs or with the special knife or whatever. And then he immediately exercises Amelia. To little girl. Castile tells Jimmy that it's time to go home. They are very grateful for what he's done for them and everything.
Berly:
She's like, your real home. So essentially, yes. Feels like Jimmy you did a good job now die.
LA:
Yeah, cuz? And well, I think Jimmy starts like saying like, no, take me don't you know, don't take my daughter. She tells him You know, if you're agreeing with this, you will never age you won't ever die. Like you're just going to be this vessel for me. And he agrees to it. And so we see casts again. Cast takes over Jimmy. And I don't think we'll be seeing Jimmy again.
Berly:
I don't think so either.
LA:
He's just going to be with us.
Berly:
He's just going to be a vessel forever. Down. Jimmy
LA:
gave up his body and his family. Now that he's Cass Dean kind of leans over and he's like, I guess you know, what was it you was that you needed to tell me? And sassy casts turns around your quote. Oh, sorry, not say that.
Berly:
You want to? Oh, just reminding you. You'll be saying it again.
LA:
Okay.
Berly:
Well, leave it on a cliffhanger. She'll come back to that at the end. She's really excited to say it. The build up is phenomenal. Oh, yeah.
LA:
Well, so we'll skip that. And then we're in the car with Sam and Dean. And Sam's. Oh, come on. Give it to me. You know, let me have it. He wants Dean to reprimand him for being a blood sucking, demon sucker.
Unknown:
Demon sucker.
LA:
And Dean's like, what do you want? What do you like? What do you want to say? I'm disappointed. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I'm tired. I'm just tired. And I'm done. He's like, I'm fucking tired of your shit. Sam.
Berly:
Lies. Yeah. Liza Minnelli like
LA:
could you imagine seeing your
Unknown:
sibling? Just like, like, ferociously
LA:
sucking on this like demon blood with the canal covered in blood just turns around like, oh,
Berly:
after knowing for almost a year, he's been lying to you. Yeah. And it's something shady is going on. And then finding out this is what he's been doing.
LA:
I feel like I'd be just like, do you wanna be like, alright, like, Yeah, I'm done. Yeah, too much. Yeah. Bobby calls D or Sam's foam. And he I forget what he says but he Oh, he's like, hey, you need to get over here and Sam's like was like the the apocalypse. Yeah. Forgot about that bounce off and get over here. Yeah. So they show up to Bobby's and they're walking. He says he wants to show them something in his bunker little thing that you Panic Room. Yeah, that no, no, nobody can get into No, none of the demons are angels and blah, blah, blah. As they're talking, Dean or Sam walks in. Sam walks in ahead of them and I forget what they're What do you remember what they said to him before they shut the door on him?
Berly:
Probably was just saying, you know, go in there. There's something in there. I want to show you. Yeah. And of course, Sam trust Sam because it's Bobby. But no. And Sam was like, what? And they were like, we got a demon problem.
LA:
That's what it was. Yeah. And then he's like you and shuts the door on him. It drops him in there. And they didn't like Sam's like still trying to talk to them. And the little thing that where you can, little flap where you can speak big people? Yeah. And they just fucking shut it on him. They're like, We're done with you. We told you.
Berly:
I would like to know what the conversation was like when Dean called Bobby. Or texted Bobby. Well,
LA:
he had no tie like, Well, did
Unknown:
they have texting back then on those little phones? I
Berly:
can't remember. Yeah, we just had to push like, oh, it was like the number three. We had to push the numbers like over and over and over again. I probably have to pull letters. What's the code for hates Sam's Sam's demon blood setup. The Panic Room fam. Your problem? I like it showed when Bobby was on the phone talking and walking away from the panic room. It showed that there was like a cot. I felt there was always there. It was in the it was in the middle of the room though. Oh, like it was purposely out where you could see it. I noticed it. I didn't know why it was there. But I was like, why is that in the middle of the room? Because it's like with the fan thing. It's like a light shining.
LA:
He's just getting the linens ready.
Berly:
But my point is Bobby knew. Oh, yeah. Bobby knew they were walking salmon. So what was that conversation like? Well, it
LA:
was probably after he saw what Sam did. He's like, Okay, I need to I need to get Bobby on.
Berly:
Well, I did it. I'm just saying what was the conversation?
LA:
I don't know. Sam's a problem. Hey, Bobby.
Berly:
I just saw Sam slit a demon's throat and suck the blood out of them. It looks like ketchup smeared all over his
LA:
face. So bad. So bad.
Berly:
This episode was written by Jeremy Carver and directed by Charles Besian. Gore, who's a little bit of blood in this not too much Jimmy getting shot. He was bleeding now. Pretty bad. The only thing that really made me cringe was anytime Sam was drinking demon blood in this episode.
LA:
Yeah. Oh, Rogers bloody head for beating.
Berly:
Yep. Yep. Not particularly gory. Was there anything you adored about this episode?
LA:
I liked Jimmy. I thought he was a sweet guy,
Berly:
Misha Collins performance of different characters and clearly distinguishing between the each.
LA:
Yeah, and I like that. Dane's over Sam. Yeah.
Berly:
La has been over Sam since the premiere. I feel like this, Sam, this version of Sam. What about you? We didn't get that. Well, Misha Collins. Yeah, the performance. This was his episode. You said it when we ended it. That this this was his episode. That was really and getting to see who this vessel was. That was interesting. And yeah, the character progression was Sam and Dean. Me too. I'm happy. We're finally took the whole damn season, but we're finally where the secrets are all out. Do something everyone knows what's going on now. Yeah. For lore, I looked into ANGEL possession. Oh, according to britannica.com and Christian iconography, the spiritual nature of angels has been almost universally represented it Whoo. I've just had it. I've just had one white claw. I'm not even done with that one white claw yet, has been universally represented until the 20th century, by winged human figures, their spirituality and therefore, their non Corporal reality led to various kinds of speculation among theologians and common people about the nature of the appearances of angels, which has been recorded in both scripture and legends based on popular piety. Some theologians such as St. Augustine, in the fourth or fifth century, stated that angels who have ie ethereal bodies may be able to assume material bodies. This problem however, has not been solved to the satisfaction of later theologians. So that's all I could get from Botanica to dive further and dive further and go to another source. Oh, wow. All right. Now, this expert excerpt Oh excerpt is from Prophet Kent Simpsons book. What's your angels name?
LA:
Oh, okay.
Berly:
You will find very few spirit filled Christians who disagree that a person can be possessed by a demon If Satan has possession of a person's spirit, soul and body, he can use that person to fulfill his evil deeds. However, many refuse to believe an angel can possess a person. Why is this? Both Angels and Demons are spiritual beings directed by two separate forces, the Holy Spirit or Satan, the possessor of one's spirit will determine who has eternal rights over the person's body, soul and spirit. supernatural events recorded over many centuries have told us how possessed people have accomplished phenomenal feats. Some have been demon possessed, what just happened? You're hunting others possessed by an angel, you may not like to look at it this way. But where there is negative, there is also always positive, it is easy to see that a person committing evil is demon possessed. If God needed me to perform a miracle, like flip over a burning bus full of schoolchildren, and he wanted an angel to take possession of my body to get the work done. I would not have a problem with that. I don't think you would either. However, you probably would not agree with me. If I were to say that God could possess me with an angel anytime he desires. We have also seen supernatural signs follow God's people. But why do we not say they are possessed by an angel? It stands to reason that if Satan is going to work through one of his people, he will appoint a demon or demons to fulfill his evil through that person. Demons are simply fallen angels. And that's all I got from Prophet Ken. All right, Angel possession. It's apparently like, really? What's the word controversial? Yeah. So whether or not it exists,
LA:
I never really thought about it. You know, we always hear about being possessed by the devil or demon
Berly:
there, right though. Like if angels are described as having multiple faces and hundreds of eyes and all this, but in all these paintings, they're just people with wings like, Yeah, how did they get that form? Then?
LA:
True. Good point.
Berly:
You know, there's a point here. And I think Prophet can you know, even though in the world of supernatural demons are not fallen angels, they're corrupted souls, and they're black smoke, angels or white light. They all need vessels to be on Earth for some reason. I guess so they don't burn out all our eyes. You know? I think it makes sense. Yeah. Anyway, that's all I got for close.
Unknown:
I will close it out.
LA:
We have Castillo's closing quote to Dean when Dean asks him, what he what he needed to tell him. And Cass slowly turns around to Jean and says, I learned my lesson while I was away, Dean. I serve heaven. I don't serve man. And I certainly don't serve you. Feel like you should have put a bitch at the end of the
Unknown:
day. Cheers.
Berly:
Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
LA:
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