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That was"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3098.2000000000003,"endTime":3100.63,"body":"that's that's so powerful, so"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3100.63,"endTime":3105.4,"body":"much forgiveness that I've seen"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3100.63,"endTime":3105.4,"body":"through this process. The"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3105.4,"endTime":3105.76,"body":"founder"},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3105.76,"endTime":3109.06,"body":"is the one who has"},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3105.76,"endTime":3109.06,"body":"pounded that into us catalog is"},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3109.06,"endTime":3112.3900000000003,"body":"pounded forgiveness into us. And"},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3109.06,"endTime":3112.3900000000003,"body":"it really is a very powerful"},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3112.81,"endTime":3115.36,"body":"choice that we can make. Find"},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3112.81,"endTime":3115.36,"body":"Freedom."},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3115.54,"endTime":3118.81,"body":"It is a choice."},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3115.54,"endTime":3118.81,"body":"John, thanks so much for coming"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3118.81,"endTime":3121.8700000000003,"body":"out here to my home office. And"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3118.81,"endTime":3121.8700000000003,"body":"I knew it would be fantastic."},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3121.8700000000003,"endTime":3124.0,"body":"It's been a pleasure to talk"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3121.8700000000003,"endTime":3124.0,"body":"with you during this time."},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3124.7200000000003,"endTime":3126.3700000000003,"body":"Thank you, Dave,"},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3124.7200000000003,"endTime":3126.3700000000003,"body":"for having me, inviting me out"},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3126.3700000000003,"endTime":3129.9100000000003,"body":"here being my friend, mentor."},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3126.3700000000003,"endTime":3129.9100000000003,"body":"And I can't wait for your"},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3129.9100000000003,"endTime":3132.8500000000004,"body":"listeners to hear this podcast."},{"speaker":"John Jackson","startTime":3129.9100000000003,"endTime":3132.8500000000004,"body":"I know that I hope. 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And thank"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3138.07,"endTime":3141.2200000000003,"body":"you for listening, those who"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3141.2200000000003,"endTime":3144.2200000000003,"body":"have been following along."},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3141.2200000000003,"endTime":3144.2200000000003,"body":"Remember, it's not about what"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3144.2200000000003,"endTime":3148.21,"body":"you heard. It's about what"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3144.2200000000003,"endTime":3148.21,"body":"you're going to do as a result"},{"speaker":"Dave Crenshaw","startTime":3148.2400000000002,"endTime":3151.2400000000002,"body":"of what you heard. 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