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And I think one of the"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1534.78,"endTime":1537.33,"body":"things we have to be careful of"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1534.78,"endTime":1537.33,"body":"too, in culture is it's easy at"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1537.33,"endTime":1540.96,"body":"times, to think we're doing a"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1537.33,"endTime":1540.96,"body":"really good thing, because our"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1540.96,"endTime":1544.65,"body":"motives are good, but it might"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1540.96,"endTime":1544.65,"body":"not be the right thing. Good is"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1544.65,"endTime":1547.71,"body":"not always right. And it's very"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1544.65,"endTime":1547.71,"body":"similar when Adam and Eve were"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1547.71,"endTime":1550.47,"body":"in the garden and Eve looked at"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1547.71,"endTime":1550.47,"body":"to the fruit and saw it was good"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1550.47,"endTime":1553.38,"body":"to the eye. Good is not always"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1550.47,"endTime":1553.38,"body":"right. And there's things at"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1553.38,"endTime":1555.6,"body":"times that look like it can be"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1553.38,"endTime":1555.6,"body":"good. It doesn't mean it's the"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1555.6,"endTime":1558.75,"body":"right thing to do, because good"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1555.6,"endTime":1558.75,"body":"can be subjective. And I think"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1558.75,"endTime":1561.45,"body":"it's one of the realities we've"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1558.75,"endTime":1561.45,"body":"seen, the outcomes of"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1561.45,"endTime":1563.1,"body":"affirmative action, it's"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1561.45,"endTime":1563.1,"body":"something that might have looked"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1563.1,"endTime":1566.1,"body":"really good, but it's it's not"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1563.1,"endTime":1566.1,"body":"something that was right, and"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1566.1,"endTime":1568.62,"body":"it's had a negative outcome. So"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1566.1,"endTime":1568.62,"body":"ultimately, I think it's very"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1568.62,"endTime":1571.86,"body":"good news that the Supreme Court"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1568.62,"endTime":1571.86,"body":"came out saying that you cannot"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1571.86,"endTime":1576.03,"body":"use race as a top standard in"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1571.86,"endTime":1576.03,"body":"determining who comes to your"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1576.03,"endTime":1579.27,"body":"school. That's good that we're"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1576.03,"endTime":1579.27,"body":"saying let's not be racist in"},{"speaker":"Tim Barton","startTime":1579.27,"endTime":1579.93,"body":"what we're doing."},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1580.41,"endTime":1582.69,"body":"Yeah, good stuff,"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1580.41,"endTime":1582.69,"body":"guys. Almost a good news Friday"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1582.69,"endTime":1584.79,"body":"today, and we're getting back to"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1582.69,"endTime":1584.79,"body":"those founding principles. So it"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1584.79,"endTime":1586.92,"body":"can be a foundations of freedom"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1584.79,"endTime":1586.92,"body":"Thursday, but it's not. It's a"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1586.92,"endTime":1589.53,"body":"regular ol' Wednesday with one"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1586.92,"endTime":1589.53,"body":"of our interviews, but it was"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1589.53,"endTime":1591.3,"body":"great interview. Thanks to Ben"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1589.53,"endTime":1591.3,"body":"Johnson for joining us today."},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1591.3,"endTime":1593.67,"body":"Thank you for listening. You've"},{"speaker":"Rick Green","startTime":1591.3,"endTime":1593.67,"body":"been listening to WallBuilders"}]}