The Richard & Dr. Ed Show

#25 - Stop Recurring Back Pain and Rants

Richard Aceves and Dr Ed Caddye

In today's episode Ed and I went at it full freestyle we ended up ranting about the issue with the current approach to helping people with lower back pain. 

If you or anyone you know has not been able to get a long-term solution for your pain and discomfort, be it low back, physical, mental, or emotional. Please reach out, and let’s get on a call. 

Richard Aceves:

Good How you doing, Ned?

Dr Ed:

We're back back on the airwaves after doing the we did a little webinar while I gave a little webinar for your webinar if the academy yesterday, which was nice, I got to know a bit on mitochondria.

Richard Aceves:

Talk about your specialties. The one thing that got me was it said that fat cells, you don't lose fat cells that fat cells grow or fat cells expand?

Dr Ed:

Well, yeah, so it's like muscle, you can either hypertrophy or hyperplasia. So you can either roll more of them or you can expand the ones that you have. Usually you just expand the ones that you have. So that's why we it was in the context of liposuction. So if somebody has liposuction, they're losing the number, but it just means the ones they have if there's a spillover of needing to put fat somewhere, then they just grow larger.

Richard Aceves:

How large can a bet? So get a No

Dr Ed:

it's a good that's a good question to go read up. I'm sure to actually be T will know. And when

Richard Aceves:

I'm gonna go ask Chet GPT right now, I'm not asking chatty PT, so don't expect response guys. Yeah.

Dr Ed:

Chat GPT even the thing to use now or do you have to use baud or Bing chat, or you can get

Richard Aceves:

even on Snapchat now they have a smart chat deletion. Yeah, you can ask Snapchat what it wants.

Dr Ed:

I wonder if you can send nudes and it sends them back to the dealer?

Richard Aceves:

Or shopping for you. Might be against its policies.

Dr Ed:

Yeah. Probably. For Yeah.

Richard Aceves:

You know, I haven't used snapshot. It's been Yeah, I don't know. I haven't tried to snapshot in so long. I keep wanting to get on it. Because Gary Vee says it's an underutilized platform. I don't know. I just feel like there's just so many platforms now. I'm so overly it is hard.

Dr Ed:

I mean, so the our concept of looking for imbalances and deficiencies applies to marketing. Right. And Gary Vee talks about though, the under under utilized platforms were kind of people move between different ones. But yeah, I wouldn't know how to use Snapchat or promote ones. Yeah, I think it's difficult, difficult. I mean, we should be transparent with people is difficult for us to mark it. Because we've come from a background of we try and help lots of people with lots of different issues. And we found ourselves like accumulating clients with more complex issues. Which is the opposite to what you want to when you should mark it, because you're supposed to cater for one specific niche. So we're both going through us. Yeah, we're both going through our own challenges there. So if our social medias change, it's not us changing, it's just weird changing with the times to try and get people our way. be much easier if you're listening to the podcast, just to send people to us if they need,

Richard Aceves:

like a follow a comment something. Yeah, I spend time on these videos sometimes. And I post them like 800 views. I'm like, Ah, so disappointing.

Dr Ed:

To say that. But if you're in a room of people than 800 people, that's a lot of people.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, I know. But still, I want more. I know it takes time that actually I listened to Alex for most his last podcast, which was really good about the time it takes to build a brand and to build, you know, he's like, especially with social media, nowadays, more so than ever, just because it's so saturated

Dr Ed:

podcast for ages before. So we just got to wait for our 1,000th episode or something. Right?

Richard Aceves:

Well, and I also think that I don't, that's not the problem. That's not what I care about. I'm only using it as a tool to get it to the people that I truly care about, which are those that need help. So that's my problem. Because he was he said that he was with either like this YouTuber kind of summit with people that have over between five and 10 million subscribers. And they were watching a video. And this guy's like, yeah, I spent $50,000 on this video or something along those lines. And I don't know why didn't get the results that it was supposed to get. And they said put it up and they put it up and within like the first few seconds of guys like, well, of course you didn't get the views you wanted to because you didn't reinforce the thumbnail and the clip. And I'm like, bro is two seconds. He's like, and he's like, and that's why these dudes have like 10 million, you know, 20 million 1000 subscribers, because there's just so precise on that stuff.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, well, they have people to make their thumbnails for. Well,

Richard Aceves:

that too. I mean, he was saying they're spending between 50 to $200,000 per YouTube video. So Oh, huge, crazy. But their specialty is creating content. My specialty is not creating content. My specialty is being able to see you and be like, Hey, we should probably work on XY and Z. So I want to do

Dr Ed:

Yeah, well, seeing somebody move in person. Yeah, obviously your specialty, and then knowing where to take them. Joe Rogan just did his 2,000th episode. But he didn't even make a thing of it.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, it was just an IT WAS Duncan Trussell. Yeah, the comedian. He's had lots of hits. He's okay. Duncan Trussell.

Dr Ed:

I never listened to the comedian episodes.

Richard Aceves:

There's some really good ones. You should there's that actually has some good some good ones on there. But I don't know. Anywho I'm not a content creator. Moral of the story, guys. I hate making all these videos. Probably not for my 10 fans out there. So for people happy, right? Yeah, they could share it. That would be better. For the shit, guys. Sure.

Dr Ed:

What do you want to talk about today?

Richard Aceves:

I don't know. Let's talk about a little bit of the low back issues. So that seems to be my my newish, newish nature, I've always had lots of people with with back pain and chronic back pain. But I think in the next two months, I have four assessments that have to do with chronic back pain. Some of them are structural. And there are some major issues going on. So the guy has some herniations and a slipped disc. Another one has no structural damage. There's nothing really there. One was told that they have osteoarthritis. And one another one is again, nothing. Nothing's really there. But there are there is mental. There's mental issues happening there. So yeah, I think the you know, going into the lower back we should we should start to consider more and more the chronic pain and the chronic fatigue, even the acute pain is is what's interesting to me. See, these are these are all people that have had chronic pain that became acute pain and tolerable pain until it's no longer tolerable. Yeah, so I think I explained it in a podcast before but basically, all form had the same exact story. There was some form of trauma that caused the pain to go up like a seven or an eight. They went to see doctors or physiotherapist, massage therapist, osteo naturopaths, you know, a specialist of whatever, because they all come from different walks of life. And I've done the history. And that's why I'm telling you as a story, because even I haven't done the assessment, I know what I'm going to do once they get here, but anywho, so they all went to go see their specialists, they were able to relieve the pain temporarily. Of course, nothing being changed past relieving the pain means that no natural, no movement patterns were changed, and no behavioral patterns for change. So nobody stopped doing CrossFit or change the way they were doing CrossFit. They may have added some act of stretching, which was not necessarily helping in under stress with movement. There was a reduction of stress on their part, because now there are more weary of how they're going to be moving. And so therefore they do less things, they become less active, which means the more efferent muscles, the more structural muscles that need to work obviously become less efferent and less active. And then, of course, time passes, there's less stress on the body, so the body feels a little bit better. But then they go back under big stress. And this usually comes especially for people that are training, and you stop training for a while and you feel good. But then you start training again, and you think about your old PRs and what you used to do in the past. And so what happens, you try and increase the amount of stress quite significantly, because the body hasn't remembered the skill set, but it has lost the neural output of those muscles. So what happens then went from a seven down to a two, then it kind of maintains that a one two or a zero for a little bit and then six weeks, eight weeks, you want to go back to training hard or moving hard or going back to your old patterns, whatever those were, and of course, it shoots back up to a seven or an eight. And so this has happened now for all four clients for the past three to seven years. And now it's no longer a it's it's no longer a shooting up to a seven or an eight because they they have so much fear in their head they're gonna get hurt that they've stopped doing all the things that they've enjoyed doing, whether it was hobbies, sports, training, any of that any of those activities, but the pain doesn't go away. So they're just at a constant three to four on the pain scale shows this which is that it's a nagging, nagging, I don't know and that I want to say I want to say like a nagging ex girlfriend that just doesn't let you go and move on. sitting home?

Dr Ed:

And it is most of those they want to squat what they used to squat or is it deadlift they are used to deadlift? Or is it just like snatch? Or is a is there a pattern to that? One particular movement,

Richard Aceves:

there's no particular movement, they just want to go back to not feeling the lower back. I think it's a, it's like a rock bottom position where it's like, I've gotten so accustomed to having this acute pain, but it is just so bothersome for most of them. It's just like, I want to be able to sit down for dinner and not have to, like move my hips around to try and get out of pain. I've been it's, yeah, it's you know, so I think it's those simple things, like, one of them has a massive amount of stress of going on flights, and he works a lot. And so he's having to travel on airplanes, you know, three to four hour flights. He's like, I'm just, I get anxious, knowing that I have to go get on the plane. And I tried to get out of it by doing zoom calls or something else, I can't travel. I can't fly anywhere, because I know it's gonna be so uncomfortable. And then I need to stand up and move around. Like, it's just, it's those small things. I think once it truly hits home is like when you can't be comfortable on your couch watching TV, or working on the office. You know what I mean? Like that's a that's got to be a bothersome pain to have on a daily basis and should not be a natural pain.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, and just to jump in. To give people some value, I suppose is lying is a stressful experience on most people. I mean, people can say that they don't mind flying, but it's like it's a very abnormal thing to do. So there's ways to mitigate it changing timezone is stressful. Being in the air, the oxygen saturations are not as good as they are on the ground. So there's, there's all of these kinds of physical chemical exposures that you are exposed to on top of the psychological stress, whether you perceive that or not. I do lots of things when I fly to try and minimize that. One thing that works for a lot of people is trying fast on the day that you do long flights, it just allows your body to not have to deal with digesting food at the same time. And your gut is the slowest thing to turn around when you're jet lagged. So you can swipe by avoiding eating or eating. Like when it would be nighttime in your new destination, then your body gets used to knowing when the food's coming in at the right time. So if there's one thing that you do is knowing that you're going to a destination try not to eat at night time on that new destination for the day or maybe even two days before so make this stick to one meal a day.

Richard Aceves:

This will definitely not work with Mexicans. It's not what is Mexican bro.

Dr Ed:

In Mexico, I just got a drink as soon as I mean,

Richard Aceves:

that's really just the way to do it. Just have a party when you arrive to your next destination. My problem is I love Okay, let me put it this way. I love traveling when I have free upgrades. And I love traveling when I don't have the kids. I love traveling with my kids don't get me wrong, but it's so nice to just be able to have your small little backpack on it as a carry on. Go straight to security, no need to worry about anybody else. Fasting on I understand fasting inside of the airplane because the food always sucks. Uh huh. But the lounge access bro like once you get at once you get access to the lounges and you're like, you know, and then my head goes, I need to take advantage of this. So it's usually like you have a nice little whiskey on the rocks. And then you have some nice food and then you get to go I go on the plane and I won't eat on the plane unless the food looks good. Because that's that's something I need to work on on myself. There's always that voice of back man. It's like it's free food. You should take it Yeah,

Dr Ed:

I mean sometimes I hear that voice too. I've never been in a lounge so I don't know what what's on offer. I always imagined that there's like caviar and oysters and I if I went there I would just be like handed all of these things and

Richard Aceves:

yeah, depends like each country has its own unique like depending on which lounge you go to the American Express Lounge on lax is that has been one of my favorites because it's they do they'll have caviar oysters I think that's like first class at Virgin in or Emiratis Emirati lounge for first class may have that stuff. I'm not that fancy yet. But like the Centurion lounge and lax is amazing. They have like big chickens and like there's chicken and veggies, roasted veggies, and they have like a full blown bar. You can just get whatever you whatever you want, which is always nice, which helps with me not having back pain, since sedative having a whiskey before the flight. It's been a long time since I've not had since I've gotten on a plane and come out with hip pain or back pain. I will say that and I used to have it all the time. So I know when people are suffering like I feel like That's also why people reach out to me, you have to remember my hip was broken in 45 places, 35 places, whatever was destroyed. And I've had to rebuild my hip and trunk area from scratch. And so I think I that's why, you know, I would say you attract people that you can relate to the most. And I can really relate to people that have hip pain, because there's nothing worse than taking 35 minutes to get out of bed, because you're trying to figure out the best way to do it to not feel pain, and not have that weird spasm mean sound come out of your mouth. But there is a way out. And so one of the ways again, add value you want the answer? Contract your so as major, high neural output of the size major in glute max Morrison likely take away a lot of that discomfort. Is it a lot easier said than done? 1,000%

Dr Ed:

Do you think I mean, I get the impression like once you've managed to get hold of this. So so in the group major, you almost like compound interest, like any movement that you do, almost like continues to fix the issue. Like, I'm sure that there are some people, maybe even yourself that have to keep doing this. So as raises to stay on top of it. I don't know, I don't know if you've seen like, once you get into some people, they don't need to keep doing it.

Richard Aceves:

Well, it's constant, right. So it's a constant, my hip gets aggravated when I work with. I'm a I'm an empath. And so my hip gets aggravated when I do a lot of seminars. So I do a lot of one on ones and I start to do a lot of a set or like super heavy emotional assessments, even on mine, my left hip will set will get aggravated. And so that goes into the emotional component of it, right. But there's a maintenance thing. So now it's just a matter of like, you feel your hip, it's like, okay, don't be lazy, go do this. So as races, go do glute bridges, it doesn't take a whole lot of work to keep that neural output. And to make sure that the muscles are active in the discomfort goes away. As we're discussing in the next couple of weeks, because I'm doing I'm trying, I'm trying to be as efficient as you and creates life, which probably won't happen. But I'm going deep into the Gogi tendon organs, which you brought me on to, I think it was early last year. And I'm kind of going back at it again. And you know, we're talking about these mechanical receptors and how the Golgi tendon actually communicates with his external environment, and tells the body whether the muscle should be turned on or turned off. And what I mean by turn on or turn off is, if a muscle is overloaded, basically, the Golgi tendon organ will essentially shut off the spindle cell muscles. So you don't tear your muscle because we don't want to get hurt. And I'll go to the antagonist muscle. But I think the antagonist muscle is the first line of defense. And then eventually, it starts to go towards that Ferrant line, which we'll talk about in the motional mapping and into the trigger points and everything that I'm seeing. So it's now super interesting how I'm able to find, you know, your lower back, discomfort may come and go. But if it's coming in, it's because your body is understanding that there is a threat of some sort, that your hand your body cannot handle that load, whether it's physical, mental, or emotional, which I think that so far, they have only looked at on the physical component. But I think that there's a lot of communication going back and forth. And so going back to the original statement, I still get discomfort to my hip when I'm extremely empathetic, because my body starts to warn me that I'm overloading and how much energy I'm putting into people, or how much energy I'm getting out of people. And so that's a interesting thing to go into deeply. But that's going to be for the mentoring program, maybe not so much the podcast,

Dr Ed:

or losing your sense of self. Yeah,

Richard Aceves:

or losing your sense of self. That too.

Dr Ed:

Yeah. So I suppose that kind of leads us into thinking about back pain from the emotional side, and maybe not going into those two deep areas, but maybe talking about people that struggle to express anger or their frustrations to the world being a fairly common cause that we would see.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, yeah. So

Dr Ed:

or associate?

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, I think the first first step is people have a misconstrued vision of what anger is, because we think of it on the how do I put this correctly, we we see anger as what we think it is, which is people getting fights in the streets, and so on, so forth. I'm looking at it as energy output and the capacity to express energy. So

Dr Ed:

I think the I mean, we've talked about this even on the last one is like people get very tied up in the words because of what those words mean in social contexts, but really, they're the best. They're the best words that we have to do. ascribe, but if you think of the principles of anger, it's just expressing your view without worrying about what other people are thinking or will respond. In the modern world, we, we suppress anger, in inverted commas a lot, because we have to engage in a more socially acceptable way. And by maybe if somebody at work annoys us or little things, these things add up over time, and you're expressing those things.

Richard Aceves:

And even if even if you think you're expressing them, so meaning like, you're, you're somebody that's short fused and get angry rapidly, that's not really anger, that's falsified anger to try and cover up your empathy. And your sadness. So that's the that's like the double caveat of that, right? It's like when you see people that are always wanting to fight in or say, as well remarks, or are these very short fuse people, or when you have a reaction where you go into this rage mode, you start breaking things in a house, because of you know, like people that are in like domestic Valette about violence, like, it's still a dysregulated nervous system that still doesn't know how to express anger. Like it doesn't know how to express the energy. It's, it's looking for a reaction by them acting this way.

Dr Ed:

Yeah, it's a displacement of tension in a way that is not where it should have gone, but it's the way that they've learnt which if you want to know, Are you falsifying anger, or actually expressing anger? The best way is to let Richard take you through a workout, and then he will tell you or show you out.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, or, you know, I mean, come work out with me, I need to try and make some weekly I like I like your Sunday deal where you do like your group class, I'm gonna build that up. But you know, I think the the cool thing would be, go do a really hard workout that requires very little skill, and push as hard as you can I talk about, like, the philosophy of the exercises, you know, go push beyond a point of cognition with an exercise. And that'll be a true expression of anger. And you know, we have, I have different workouts that you've tried, where you just kind of you, you stop thinking and rationalizing, you just start doing, that's an expression of anger, that's you, you releasing so much of that energy. So you know, you've truly released anger when you feel a calm mind, first of all, because what's the biggest thing? Well, we'll get into that later lesson on side rant. But if you have a calm mind, if you feel a lot less heavy, whether it's on the shoulders, or the hips, that you feel kind of floating, that's a great sign of intensity, that you're actually able to, you know, formally speaking, kind of flush the lactate out of the brain and bring mental calmness and, you know, get the dopamine effect and all that. But your, if you can have the capacity after your workout to lay down and breathe, and not have to be thinking or moving or wondering what other people are doing, or they're staring at, you're not staring at you, that was a beautiful expression of anger. Right? So it's, are there ways to displace this 100%? Because, again, you know, the, I don't want to keep going back, I don't I get infatuated with things. But the communication system between the muscles, the skin, and the nervous system are all so it's amazing how reactive they are and how observant they are. So that you know, we pick up sense we pick up things visually, we pick up things with the with the hearing. So any little thing that makes you feel unsafe, will trigger a response to react and disconnect from that tension. So that's the that's the biggest thing is where can we push, push, push, push. So that's the key is, as I'm continuing, I'm ranting because I'm like processing in my head. So you guys get you guys get to understand how my brain works. How can we allow somebody to push enough to have enough safety within their external environment and internal environment to truly express how they're feeling? That is the key of expression of anger. It's not about how it looks. It's about how much energy expenditure can we put out there while you're physically mentally and emotionally connected.

Dr Ed:

So the examples that you would have well, that I would have seen you use in the past would be pushing a sled. especially helpful if you have back pain because it requires you to hinge and low without thinking or the rope pulse for the same reason for the upper body because you can activate the chest and the lats or sandbag carries, and then maybe a bit of the phylogenetic workouts which you lead people through No question. Have you had anybody with back pain? And I'm sure the answer is yes. Who has made it worse by pushing a sled or doing a rope pull? And why

Richard Aceves:

sabotage first of all? If I'm there, no, if I'm not there pushing the sled, I've yet to see somebody really get hurt. I had people that were feeling their back. And that's because they would displace attention right away. And so you would see, there would still be a lack of intensity. You know, like, I had a, a, somebody in Greece. And there was just constant governor, you know, like, no matter what there needed to be a justification, and then we're to talk all the time. So we're basically in the flight state the whole way through, and so put them through. We did a sandbag, a sandbag squats to I think it was bring Sally up, bring Sally down, like one of those songs. And she quit. And then we started to have a conversation of why did you quit? So of course, I want them to, you know, the higher the stress, the higher the lesson learned. Where did you quit boredom, anxiety, frustration, and grit, me and her and others. She was like, I don't know, I just wanted to quit. I was like, okay, so you were bored. So none of this is important to you whatsoever. And she's like, that's not true. And I was like, it is true, because you quit. And when I asked you, why did you quit? You said, you don't know. So if you don't know, then there's no importance to what we were doing here that you didn't want to have an experience. And so we started to have this conversation. And then eventually it led towards, but I just want to feel intensity. And I was like, okay, so then let's go to do something intense. So we did the sled sprints every minute on the minute till you die. And so I was like pick a weight, you know that you can push, and we'll kind of start to go from there, we'll start to figure out how we can go. And so we started going, and she kept going and going and going, but she would finish every workout and she'd be able to talk like every every sled sprint, and you've done that workout like past seven minutes. I mean, you're, it's just it's destroys you. Or it needs to be heavier, or it needs to be lighter, so you can go faster. So if I would go heavier, or I want lighter, she would go the same speed. I was like you're missing the point here. Like, I think that you're trying to show me that you can survive. You're You're, you're not making this about you, you're making it about me. And so that's the sabotage that people do is that they're trying to, and it's not sometimes done caution consciously, but they're trying to prove a point and be validated by me, which is never the case. The whole point is that you're doing this for yourself. You're the one that wanted to experience intensity. So why don't you push harder.

Unknown:

And so I think like that, that moment, she finally realized that it was her that needed to push harder, not that she needed to survive the minute because that's never the point of the workout. Right, that exercise is the byproduct the point of the workout was or the exercise or the movement, the point that we're trying to get a stimulus. And that stimulus is the ultimate amount of intensity that you can put into something.

Richard Aceves:

And that's a learned behavior, because there's a lot of reasons that we learned to shut off by showing for intensity, and that's part of conditioning of human beings into communities and following the crowd. Yeah. But you know, it can happen, it's just self sabotage, you just don't want you're afraid of what's going to happen at a subconscious level. And it's just it's learned.

Dr Ed:

So if somebody is struggling with back pain, listening to this, and they want to get back to exercising and haven't been able to and want to feel intensity, again, that might be a good workout to start with. The sled pull, push, sorry,

Richard Aceves:

yeah, they're having low back pain. Obviously, consult your doctor blah, blah, blah, or send out a message to myself for ad. You know, because we don't know what's happening. I hate making assumptions because I can be wrong. And I've been wrong many times and I just make assumptions. But if you are having back pain, the one thing you can do is go try the SWAMI it's on my YouTube channel. Try it for 2030 minutes, just try to make make the connection. So let me not even put a timeframe on it. Go try Swami out, learn how to engage the so as major transverse abdominals, the lower abs, the glute max, see if you have issues with any of those. And then from there, you can go try pushing a sled is never going to hurt you. If you're going to do any sort of sandbag work, or any sort of carry, go heavier rather than lighter so you don't displace tension, because it's a lot easier to get into improper movement patterns when it's lighter. Once it gets heavier, you're being forced to be in the right tension. So that would be my suggestion is always go heavier, not lighter. You can do sandbag carries or heavy sandbag deadlifts. Understanding that we want to feel less lower back we want to feel more glutes inside here. hamstrings, you know, you won't feel the low abs or the or the obliques all that much, because they're very efferent muscles, and they're supposed to be there to be helping. So just make sure that you're not feeling the spine, make sure that you're feeling the glutes as much as possible below abs as much as possible. Just don't feel your lower back. It's that simple. If you aren't feeling your lower back, you're not doing the right movement, change what you're doing go wider on the feet go more narrow on the feet. If you're still feeling lost, again, send me a message, I'm more than willing to look at the videos that you have, we can get into an assessment, we can get into some one on ones, I can for sure find an answer to lower back pain. It's not a I'm going to fix it in one day. But we will find if you need to push intensity or lower the intensity. When it comes to lower back pain, I realized that you need to push the intensity a lot more. And if you're having more shoulder pain and anxiety, or shoulder pain and mental issues, you need to hold yourself back a little bit. So that's an interesting thing that I've noticed. But I think that you know, go find your glutes, like just focus on contracting the glutes. I don't care about the exercise, just find the glutes. Have you noticed that Steffi Cohen has recently started talking about quit the old way of thinking of strength and conditioning and positions and teaching the squat and everything. She's actually starting to teach them more neutral spine and actually starting to engage the obliques correctly and all of this

Dr Ed:

beautiful.

Richard Aceves:

I wish it was my fault. That will be really cool. I don't know where she's getting the information from. But I love that she's making changes. Because she has a large influence.

Dr Ed:

It's interesting what you say about the lower upper body of efforts, upper body be kind to yourself.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah, it's been interesting because I find it a lot. So when I find when you have people more with upper body issues there. I mean, outside of the high anxiety compared to lower bodies, usually more towards the depressive side.

Dr Ed:

They're trying to reach a standard. Yeah, for somebody else.

Richard Aceves:

And they're always very much the or themselves. They have themselves on this pedestal where they just need to continuously achieve or perform even if that's just subpar. Like there's always it's never good enough. So they usually need to be held back a little bit more.

Dr Ed:

Interesting. Yeah, it's I mean, it's a it's a paradox. And it's, it's always it's something I've had to overcome is, I mean, coming from the medical world and doing movement assessments with people with pretty bad back pain is what you said about the using the heavier sandbag actually protects them as opposed to is more scary, even though socially the constructors that the heavier sandbag is potentially more risky. It's much more difficult for them to do it wrong.

Richard Aceves:

Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's so counterintuitive, isn't it? Yeah, I'm gonna put this out there. If anybody's trying to help you with your lower back pain, and they're using stretching, or massage therapy, or rolling, or any of this mobility type shit without stress. And you can quote me on it and send me to their pages have them come to me and we can have a conversation. But I'm tired of seeing people telling you that they're going to get you in this this part of the cells, like you think it's been popping up on my feed, which is pissing me off. It will only relieve the pain temporarily. Because as soon as you go back to your stressful situations, the shits going to come back. So make sure so please make sure that if you are doing any sort of stretching, if you're doing any sort of, you know, rolling around or releasing of the psoas, which just drives me up the wall. You know, any of these sorts of methods to try and get you out of pain. It is to please the ego of the instructor that you are working with it is not for your good especially there's no plan afterwards. Because if you come from a functional fitness background or bodybuilding background, any sort of hobby, triathlon, anything, any specialty, any sport, any discipline, and you have low back pain,

Unknown:

and you're gonna go to a physiotherapist and they're gonna get rid of the pain, but they do not understand what you're doing outside of their office, you're gonna go straight back to doing the same movement patterns and nothing, absolutely nothing is going to change, except that you've just lowered and diminished the signals giving you a false sense of hope, and making the body feel safe even though it's not so as soon as you go back to that stressful situation. Whether it's running back to your marathon, sprinting, jumping, CrossFit, weightlifting, powerlifting strongman name, the discipline, I don't care. As soon as you go back under that stressful situation, your body will scream louder and you will be in more pain and it's going to take longer and longer and longer for you to be able to be out of pain out of discomfort and back to performance. I'm just gonna put that as a disclaimer that it just it's been driving me nuts. Sorry.

Dr Ed:

Yeah. I mean, it's good. I mean, as well, like, this is the thing that I love people tell me oh yeah, my physio or massage therapist tells me like one leg is longer than the other. And that's when they're lying flat, oh, Jesus on the on the table. And this is why we do the eye test with weight, or stress. Because sometimes the like, the relaxed position is not actually what your body's doing under under load and under stress, which is the thing that was causing you pain in the first place. So you if there's one thing that I hope and wish of Physiotherapists of the future do is they go into the environment of the person who's has the issue, and they watch and learn how to assess them movement under load. If they're interested in that, they should probably join your academy. Because you can see a lot more, you know more about a person in in the environments that they spend time in, like, it's a completely new environment for somebody to walk into a physio office and just like lay there, like, there's a lot of different things going on. But yeah,

Richard Aceves:

like doing those table assessments, like, I didn't cheat, but you know, when I was doing competitive powerlifting, and everything, and I would go to see the physios and they would make me do these, you know, Table, Table assessments, I would cheat all of these things. So I could prove to them that I was fine. Even though I was in pain. You know, I mean, like, I've been in these positions of a lot of you guys where I was in a lot of pain, I'd go see a specialist, and I was like, Hey, what the fuck is wrong with me, and I'm like, You're not gonna know how to fix me, but I'm still gonna do what I want to do. But none of them ever paid attention to hi deadlifted. That's the reason I found Julian, he was the only one that actually paid attention to what I was doing and changed my movement patterns from the ground up. You know what I mean? So it takes a watchful eye to have, it takes time and effort from you, as a client, from you, as a coach that's pulled from the coach broker, it takes time and effort from you as a coach, to put yourself in that person's shoes and understand where their stress points are coming from and find a solution. Because you telling them what isn't working, what is working doesn't give a solution for shit. How many times I said find your size major and find your glutes and I still have people that come get assessments. Why? Because 99% of people don't know how it's your job as a coach or an athlete to understand how to create the tension for that person, not just per program deadlifts because they've already been doing deadlifts for 510 15 years. And guess what, the back still hurts, bro. So apparently the deadlift isn't working the glutes? Can we just put that into consideration?

Dr Ed:

Yeah, and I guess then if you were a coach or somebody that wanted to learn that aspect of it would be choosing or finding a movement for a particular muscle for yourself and spending hours on connecting to that muscle and then videoing yourself and then applying that one by one to clients.

Richard Aceves:

Right? Like, yeah,

Dr Ed:

you need to an exercise to find your left lap, find your own left lap with exercise, and then go on a plan

Richard Aceves:

and and build and build and build. Yeah, as Alex Ramos, he says I can sell the ship because I did it at home myself. And I've done it on a shit ton of people. And I continue to deal with the extremely high success rate. Anyhow, I have to get another call guys. It was very pleasant having myself an outlet to rant about people that pissed me off. So thank you very much. Let's read. It's been a pleasure, my man will keep in touch. If you guys are looking for us head on over to rare Barracuda or Dr. Ed caddy on Instagram, head on over to Dr. Ed caddy river Coode on Twitter, find us on LinkedIn, message us, talk to us comment with us share ideas with us. If you want to learn a lot more about how I apply movement to both physical mental and emotional issues. Head on over to move academy.com join my group mentoring program. It's just becoming more and more badass. by the minute. I have a lot of content on there. If you're wanting to work with me one on one, head on over to Richard southern.com book a free call. Let's jump on a call. I will make sure to give you some great pointers in that call. And then we can make a plan on how we can get you to best get to your goals. And I think that was read

Dr Ed:

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