Hand Battles & Trash Talk Are Dying in Pickleball

Is trash talk dying in pickleball? Are hand battles officially over thanks to paddle technology? And who the hell is Lucien Goins, and how did he just take down Ben Johns?! In this episode of Bad Calls, Travis and Graham break down the wildest storylines from the Cape Coral and Texas Open tournaments—wind-induced chaos, paddle controversies, and major upsets.

We dive deep into why some top teams are struggling, why Tyra Black might be the fastest player in the sport, and whether playing with your significant other is a good idea or a recipe for disaster. Plus, a heated debate on the new “Red Dot” replay system—is it actually accurate, or is it just another bad call?

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Welcome to Bad Calls, formerly Tennis Sucks podcast. We've got our guys, Travis and Graham here. We've got two tournament recaps to go through. And I want to start with saying you had a rumor that I thought was a bad call, but was not a bad call. So you're the only one who makes good calls. It was the Bouchard-Meghandi's Own Trade. Yeah. Which we were like, we were certain. Bullshit. But you were right. I got that good intel. We'll give you, no quid, no kidding. I will give you more respect from now on. Yeah, I got that good. Actually, I'll shout out to my, well, I don't know if I should reveal my sources. Yeah, that's not a good idea. I know who it is. He knows who he is. Eric Tice or something. I'll bleep that out. Oh, why? Because it is him. Is that the last name right? Tice? Tice, yeah. Tice, Eric Tice. Yeah, solid source. Knows what's going on before anyone else does. So yeah, I guess let's start with the first recap. We came and visited you in Cape Coral for the day. That was a fun trip for us. Sorry, guys. Started well. It didn't take too long to get there, but we spent more time in the car than we did watching Pickleball. 100%. Hey, we won the first game. We got to see that. That was fun. And then we didn't. Then we went, you know, just went. Yeah, I liked how you were, Fahey did that. Nope. Travis's next four hits. Nope. Nope. I did it. Yep. Yep. Yep. That's amazing. You don't ever realize the wrong guy to chirp around. Well, no, I don't mind it, but it's fine. She can do whatever she wants. But what I have realized lately with the chirping, which I'm really disappointed about is there's now like a contingent of players that have no wit whatsoever. None, zero. There's not even like any craft in their shit talking. It's just raw. Yeah, that's it. It's like, come on. Call me bald. Call him slow. Right, right, right. Anything, but don't just raw in my face. Like, be sharper than that. You got it. That's all. That's all I see. I want to hear. I want the days of like, you know, purely Hayden, where he calls me names. And he goes, you know, Matt. He's obviously had the greatest line of all time. The Rogan right-sider, right? Like, fucking, these are epic. Nice. Yeah, I see. Still, is he chirping the same way anymore? Is he, is he chilled out on the chirping? Less, but he's still, he'll still throw it out there. It's less, but he'll do it. Yeah, maybe he just waits for the right person. Have you played, you played him recently? Has he chirped at you recently? Yeah, he was making fun. He, even though that it worked, he kept saying like, such a bad speed up. That's so bad. Can't believe that would work. How did that work? Stuff like that. Okay, got it, got it. But nothing like super creative. We got to get some like, real zingers. He was kicking my ass too badly. I think if it got close, he might try to throw out some of your shit. You got a good lob on him. Yeah, he corrected my math. I think I said two for three. He was like, actually, one for three, one for three. He's right. He was actually, I meant to say like, one for three, 33%. And I spoke wrong, and he was on top of it, which I appreciate. I was always like a good math kind of guy, you know, who keeps you up. Numbers got to be sharp. Right. That's awesome. So, so yeah, you, I think that you went to round of 16 with Alisa? No, 32, I think. We won our first one, and then we lost to David Villiers and Cade Fahey. A lot of good teams these days. We didn't play very, I mean, Alisa and I hadn't played well, really, since Daytona, for a variety of reasons. And like, not to put it on that, because everyone's dealing with the same thing, but in Cape Coral, the winds were like 40 mile an hour gusts. You know, the day before we practiced, it was insane. Yeah. And so we just never got any feel or any rhythm. Yeah. And they were ugly matches, and we didn't handle as well as maybe they did. I did notice that, like, what's nice, though, is you stayed on the court for quite a while after with Elise, kind of talking about your strategy and what you might do differently, which I think is kind of different for you, because normally on a loss, you're like, all right, I'm out. Yeah, I mean, but, you know, she and I established a partnership, so it's not like I'm going to bail, and we'll have the conversation later, but we're going to sit there at least for a moment and see if our initial thought about what took place is jiving. We're like both fucking way off the map, and that's not good. Right. And you communicate more than most other partners you've had, I think, in between points, which I think is nice. I think especially in that one, it was interesting, because I think her paddle had D-landed a little bit, and it's one of those moments where she was struggling with her drop. Like, she probably missed 80% of her drops as far as high. They're all high, and that's the opposite generally for Elise. She's like 80% nut, 90% maybe even with the drop, and it was like, is my paddle? So I was like trying, I didn't know whether to, like, reassure her, hey, you're fine, it's going to come, or you got to change the paddle. Yeah. And I probably should have told her, and that's actually primarily what we were talking about. Like, hey, if you think it's D-land or something, fucking tell me, and let's get that hot paddle out of there. It's hard in the moment, because you're playing, and you're trying to focus on what you're doing, you know something's up, but you're like, is it me? Sure. Are my nerves making the ball fucking 12 feet over the net, or is my paddle way poppier than it should be? And so I think it's up to us as partners to be like, hey, that's not normal, it's not coming off normal. Grab another one. Right. And Graham, you'd notice, I think, that one of the ways that, was it Devillier was targeting Elise in that match? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if people care, but it just seemed like, you know, it was almost just like a flip up, kind of, you know, high towards her head. A soft flip, not like targeting. Preparing for her counter, because she was countering, you know, like, actually trying to go for a counter from a step or two off the kitchen line, and that speed's not quite enough to stop a player like Jay from— A male in general. A male from just putting that next one away. And she backs up, right. It was like a lift at the face, she backs up, counters it as hard as she can, and then Jay's sitting there with a forehand or a backhand ready to put it away. Right. And it happened a handful of times, more than a handful of times throughout the match. I told her this, I said, that's the play when I played you last year, I would do it over and over. As soon as I see you back off the line, I have zero issue thinking you're going to hit through me, so I'm just going to pop it at you, and you can swing as hard as you want. Odds are I'm going to outhand the next one. And so, if she's going to back up off the line, she's either got to reset it, or she's got to hold the line. One or the other. Right. But yeah, it's pretty standard. In general, most girls, if you see them back off the line, you're going to make that play. Right. Very few have enough power to just sit there and just beat the shit out of you. Right. Makes sense, yeah. So, the other headlines from that particular event was that John Lucien Goins beat Ben Johns, saying Pete Player? Yeah. Tampa Bay, yeah, Lucien. You guys know him? Have you met him before? Yeah, go ahead. We beat him. We did beat him. We played him, actually, on Moneyball, and I remember playing against him and thinking, like, this kid's cardio-ish. Like, his wrists are so floppy. Yeah. He's, like, the way better floppy version, you know? Ten times. I always call Graham floppy wrist, because he, like, I don't know, the wrist is never in the right position, at least as far as I'm concerned. It just, like, flops like this. And Goins, man, his wrist is so loose and flexible, and he's doing all kinds of crazy shit with the ball. He'd be really good. Wow. So, I technically have a win against Ben Johns, another win against Ben Johns. Indirect is the appropriate term. Indirect win. Indirect win. Yeah. I beat Lucien, and then Lucien beats Ben Johns and Gabe Tardio, therefore, I beat Ben Johns and Gabe Tardio. Right. And the other one was, what, Fetty? Is that right? No, he has never beaten Fetty. That was me with Ryler to heart. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Who was your other indirect win against Ben Johns, then? There's tons of them. I can't even begin. Wait, maybe it's Wes Gabrielson. Did Wes ever beat Ben, maybe? An indirect. Yeah, I know that's a direct. Yeah, whoever Wes beats, I've beaten. Probably still a little bit better than you. Whoever Spencer Lanier beats, I've beaten. Mark those down. Yes. Kyle Yates. Whoever Kyle Yates beats, I've beaten. That's true. And he was, like, six-time world champ, so. Yeah. But, no, that's awesome. Him and George. You know George's last name? Rangelove. No, I don't remember. Both those guys train locally, play all the money balls around here. I guess they were losing too many money balls to the locals, like us. They're like, let's take it at national, see if we can win some on the road. And they found some easier players to beat. Yep. Nice. Sounds about right. Yeah, that Rangelove kid used to play against my student, Harrison Shepard, in tennis all the time. I remember the little brothers. I think they had two or three brothers that would play all the local tennis rooms. Shout out to Bardemore and Damon. He's training up some players over there. He's got Rachel under his belt, and now George, and a little bit of time with Lucian. He's got a resume going as a pretty elite coach. Yeah. Yeah, I was saying that we should get him as an MLP coach. But you were saying he's probably pretty happy with his tennis coaching still? He likes to teach. He's a tennis guy at heart. UF, Gator, right? Gator tennis player, like Ryan Sherry. And I think he prefers tennis right now over pickleball. I wanted to go real quick with Pearl Gables and talk about Ben winning with Diescu. Diescu on the right. They beat Klinger and JW in the semi. I actually thought they shouldn't have won that match. They were not the better team, but they ended up winning. And fucking Diescu is a machine no matter where you put him. The guy is just not making any errors. I don't think he attacked on the right off the bounce one time, but talk about making 764 dinks in a row, and he did. And then, I mean, it was crazy. Like, I don't think he missed one fucking dink. And so you can really make the argument right now that compared to different partners, right side, left side, that he's the best men's doubles player in the world. I wouldn't have guessed that, but it states that as of now. And then, you know, after Dallas, obviously Ben's now won three events with three different partners this year. He dealt with the wind in both of them very, very well because, man, Dallas and fucking Coral Gables were the two windiest events I've probably ever played in. In Dallas, 100 miles away in Amarillo, apparently, was 100 mile an hour winds. Jesus, that's crazy. And they lifted the cap, so you have to play these now, right? Like, I mean, what's the situation on when they call it? You know, one of the PPA people asked me that, and it was like, you know, tennis doesn't have one, but the ball doesn't move quite like in tennis. You know, obviously, it's so light to whiff a ball, it moves a shit ton. But with that said, like, I think he's got to play. I think it is what it is. Unless you can have everything in door, he's got to fucking play. And we made a mistake in our round of 16 in Mixed. Elise and I were outdoors against Eric Onsen and Alex Truong. Did you complain about the win? No, I did not. They did. They were adamant, and we had actually won the toss and were on the better side. I think they had even, like, scored a point and still were like, we don't do this anymore. Yeah, they did. And then I said, all right, we'll go inside if we restart the match entirely. And they're like, all right, we'll do that. Oh, wow, they sacrificed the point? They did. How far away was the inside? 10 seconds. Oh, it's at the same facility? Yeah, at the same facility. Why were they not using those full time, then? I don't know. It was an outdoor event. What? They couldn't probably run the whole tournament on it. Wow. But either way, you know, we went indoors, and that was an error. We should have stayed outside. The speed with which Eric Onsen was hitting the ball with that fucking YOLO4 was like, I mean, the guy's a 25% better player than he was. Sweet spot is so much larger, so much more. The response is consistent. He nutted every drop. He nutted every reset. He blasted forehands at mock speed. So they tuned it back. They tuned back those paddles like you said they were going to. I don't think they started doing that yet. I thought that was September. You think they're going to tune back the 4S in September? I have no faith in that happening now. None. So blast paddles. I think we are where we are. I think so too. I think as unfortunate as that is, that's what it is. I think players will adjust, and everyone will get better. Everyone will get better at handling the speed. No, no. You don't think so? That's not relevant. No, it's not even a fair point. It doesn't matter about that. What matters is that once you start a hand battle, there's no way to keep up with what's transpiring. It's impossible. But I think that everyone will get faster and better overall, and there will start being hand battles again that are longer. Absolutely not. Nope. Not even close. It'll never happen. Mark this moment down in podcast history, please. I'm telling you, it's humanly impossible. It's impossible. It's so fast. And now the problem is also is driving is so much, statistically, is like so much better in theory than dropping, that why statistically would you go back to, you know, when it used to be 80-20 in favor of the drop? Oh, no, I'm saying it's still going to be there. I just think that people are going to get sharper with their volleys. They're going to get faster with their hands. It's just a little hand. I was going to get faster. Everyone's just going to get sharpened up. They're going to catch up. My sense is all of a sudden like the human form is going to alter drastically. I think it's like I can only keep up with something at certain speed. It makes no sense. Like, here's a good example. No one. It's probably not a good example. It's probably a bad example, but I'm giving you an example. Nolan Ryan threw the ball at 100 miles an hour, right? In pitching. Yep. And like, he was the best pitcher of all time because he threw it so damn fast. Right? Now people, a lot of people throw like 96 to 98. And people tee off on that all the time. I feel bad already because he started with, this is probably a bad example. It's such a bad fucking example. Because what you have to realize is that the guys are throwing maybe at an incrementally higher speed than Nolan Ryan was, let's say 1%, 2%, 5%. And the variation in paddle velocity now is 30%. Slight differential there. I told you, big math guy. What about serving in tennis? Hasn't that gotten faster? Not substantially. Yeah, it's gotten faster, but it's not like overwhelming. The thing that's changed a lot is the RPMs and the speed of the court. But serves maybe were 120 in the 90s. And now they get up to 140. Yeah, but guys generally serve still around 120, 130 at the peak. And they slowed the courts down a lot. Even at 120 then, guys couldn't get the balls back. So they really slowed the courts down so people could make more fucking balls. All right. Listen, if somebody is sitting on a counter and they catch it leaning in, I don't care if you are fucking Spiderman or Batman. It's over. Yes, will the guys with faster hands still create a longer rally than is happening right this second? Yes. Will it ever be like it was? No. All right. Sadly. Interesting. So you're still on the train of let's slow the paddle, let's decrease the speed of the paddles. Yes. It's not happening. No, it's not happening. And it's funny because someone said to me, you got to talk more about this. I was like, first of all, it's all I fucking talked about. And second of all, it's one thing to say like this should happen. And then to say what will happen. I'm not, I can say it should 50 million fucking times. Right. No, it's like ultimately you accept the fate. It's a different fucking game. It's going to remain a different game. It is what it is. Generally, anything we've said should happen in the game. Didn't happen. Yeah. I mean, we've made a lot of recommendations. Who are we? We're a bunch of fucking idiots in here. Look where we are. Someone actually came to me the other day. Like, hey, I went through with St. Keith. I kept hearing about, you know, those Crescent Lake ports to talk about. There's just shit. And I was like, hey, watch your fucking mouth. All right. Like you guys really play that. Yeah, we do. All right. Right. So point being is we are slum of the earth, scum of the earth. And this is where we are. Yep. Our opinions don't matter. Exactly. Yep. Well, looking at some of the headlines back at the Texas open, the top two women's double teams didn't make the finals. Yes. So Annalie and Catherine beaten by. Yes. How do we say her last name again? I think I got a funny story on that. Why did her name change? Oh, really? I knew it. Oh, my God. Graham absolutely roasted me. I, I don't know for sure. I think that's a common sense. No, it's not common sense. It's actually not. I say to Luke, I say, what did the name change for? And he goes, she got divorced. And I'm like, why would you automatically jump to divorce? Couldn't she have gotten married? He wasn't married. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, so she got the wrong with you guys. I didn't know that. Well, but you're right. So I guess I somehow knew I was married, but I couldn't remember why. But then I said that when Graham was like, why would you just assume she was married? It's like, I don't know. I just thought she was getting divorced. I have no idea. Most people want to see a name change. You jump to marriage, not divorce, but Luke right away was like, okay, well, let's, let's be really logical for a second. I didn't know she was married. Looks like her. That's also maybe part of why I thought. Like, that's her fucking maiden name. And yes, it's very clear that, yeah, maybe she could have gotten married if it went from like, right to Williams. I've been like, all right. Yeah, it went from right to Tullio Neta. Damn. All right. Well, that was back on. I believe that I could be, I could be wrong. I think she got divorced, but yes, she and Callie Smith beat the, you know, the number one undefeated champions of the world in 75 mile an hour gusts and nothing against them. You know, they had to fucking deal with it, but it was crazy shit. Yeah. And they handled it really well. Yeah. And then the girl, he's lost to the most improved player in women's pickleball by a fucking country mile. Got to practice with her for a little bit. Tyra Black is not the fastest person or fastest girl in pickleball. She's the fastest person in fucking pickleball. The fucking defense is insane. We were playing mixed against her and Donald is like her feet are fast. She's fast. Her hands are fast, but her anticipation is so fast and her first step burst from like here to that middle line. I feel like I wouldn't have even moved yet. She's so quick. So do you think that is primary because she's so good at anticipating where the ball is going to come? I think she has all, all, all aspects covered. She is an incredible defender and I think that comes from tennis is like real reading where the ball is and the probability of where the ball is going to go. And then she just has an innate sense. Okay, the ball's gonna go here and then she's fast to it really quick. And then she's got very good hand eyes. She will put the center of the paddle on the ball in adverse positions. The things she doesn't do well require her to be good at defense. Like she's not a great drop. She's not like super crafty around the line, but her hands are super fast. And again, her fucking foot speed is like, holy shit, next level. So yeah, she's the most improved player. She and Paris Todd beat the girlies and then they went on to win three straight games in the final against and, and, but can you explain to me why Tyra Banks is always is always falling over because she's so overextended. And I think she's sliding the balls and I think part of it, I don't say it's like an act, but I think part of it is like, you know, a little extra flair at the end. Let's just say that glare. Did she do that in tennis? I couldn't tell you. Oh, you didn't watch her play tennis. I don't know much about her. It just seems like I'm always seeing her roll on, like roll an ankle, but she's okay. She's sliding and fully extended and like look at her body positions. If you slow down, like when she's making contact at times, it's like, holy shit, that's an athlete. Are you slowing on mine? I'm like, oh, all stiff. She's fucking looks like joke of it. I heard that she doesn't drill. She's like a latency. She just does like really extended warmups and just like practices shots that way, but she doesn't like generally drill. She just likes to play games. I'm with that. As long as you get the reps and you're having fun, I think that's critical. I feel like that. It probably makes sense for having great defense though, right? When you're playing games, tends to force you to get good defense maybe. Maybe, but I think her defense comes from tennis. Tennis and just a sheer innate ability and athleticism. I even say this to Donald that I've talked about. You can see when guys are like really good at pickleball, they weren't really good at tennis because there are certain things like when the ball goes up, particularly from an overhead, guys who play tennis at a really high level will innately go to a certain spot. Guys who play pickleball at a high level do not. They're like wrong almost all the time. It's like the probability is so low that the ball is going to X position. Got it. And so, you know, I won't name names, but I'm serious. You can see it. It's like they didn't move. And if you've played at a high enough level of tennis, like she does, she's literally moving towards the right spot every time. I'm trying to like remember from in my head where this person normally hits it. And I go for those spots like they tend to hit this shot. So I go cover that spot. Let's give your probability example. If the guy has an overhead here on the right. Okay. Yep. I forehand. Yep. I'm on the left and you're on the right. Where do we go? I'm covering middle. The dumbest shit I've ever heard. Okay. And you're covering the line. I'm covering middle. You're covering wide. We leave the lines. The highest part of the net, the shortest bit of court is the hardest shot to hit. This one right here. You leave. Yes, because. Oh, got you. You move that way. You're right. You're right on that. You're right. But my point is, he would probably have to think about it. But I would have hit my overhead straight down the line. You would have missed it wide too. You would have missed it wide because you only get this much space to hit it too. That's the point. Were you there when he was yelling at me about hitting it down, like covering the line too far over? Oh, I remember this one. And then I was like, but Josh, I was like, he always hits it there. I got to cover this spot. He never hits it there. He's like, no. I know that Josh listened to me. The next shot he hit, he burned Travis down the line not covering the line. That's amazing. That's why I cover it, dude. They should just have this conversation, Donald and I. That's amazing. It was great. If you're wise, you almost straddle the middle line when the person is hitting their fourth. That's awesome. Their third, excuse me. Have we tackled this question before? But like, if you took all of the top PPA pros right now and you made a tennis tournament, who would end up on top? That you maybe wouldn't expect. What kind of tennis singles or dummies? Donald. I think he still plays the most. I think that's a good question. I'll just go Jack. I think there's probably 30 men who are probably 1 through 30 and then it goes down. Some of those younger guys are probably really good too. Yeah, they're still probably really good. Guys who are just coming out of college, that's a really high level. I'm not even the top 35. I'd get my fucking ass kicked. Really? You think so? No, because I can't serve like that anymore. Service is a huge factor. Oh, I see. Got it. If you were just rallying in the middle, you're like, oh, he hits the ball nice. Girls are pretty. But you actually play and move like that and I can't serve like that anymore. Yeah, I bet a lot of those younger guys that just came out of like, oh, right in the balls. Those guys that just got out of D1 college playing tennis are probably solid. I'd say DUI would probably win. He still plays quite a bit. I mean, at least was. And then he played like a qualifier for the Atlanta Open last year and beat a couple of guys with like 400 or 500 in the world. That's not easy to do. We also saw a new replay. Oh, the red dot thing. Yes. What am I trying to say? Is that new or did they brought it back? Replay. Right. System. Yeah. Replay system. Spot on, I think is what it's called. Is that not the same one they used before? That was the black dot. Right. This is a red dot. This is their own homegrown version. Oh, really? Oh, that's right. They didn't want to pay the fee for that software. So they just made their own. Yeah. I think I made this comment too about something, right? You're like, you said, oh, it's really expensive to use it. And I'm like, let us make their own. It'll be cheap. And six months from now, everyone will be using it. Yeah. And now that's what's happening. Is that what this was? Yeah. I thought it was great. We've had this conversation long ago. And I love how no matter what said, you're like, I probably said this was right too. And you were probably wrong. No matter what is said, that's how you interpret everything. Actually, we talked about it. You agreed with me. You were like, this is really expensive right now. I'm like, yeah, but in six months, they're just going to make duplicates of this and we'll be able to get it for 50 bucks. I think they had already made the indication that they were going to copy it. Like they scammed whoever. Like, oh, really? How do you guys do this? How do you guys do this? Yeah. They hired them for one event, saw how they did it, and then went to the drawing board and made their own. This is really looking good. Pretty much. Fucking works. Good shit. It was really good. That stuff's accurate, right? Uh-huh. I guess it is. I mean, I don't know if they tested, but it looks like it's good. But can I tell you what I get mad at is when I see the red dot is like almost touching the line, but that one's out. I don't know why. That drives me nuts. It's way too close. Oh, okay. How do we know? That red dot, if it's anywhere near the line, that one should be it. How is this pinpoint accuracy exactly happening? I think I gave a little, I think I gave a little way more. Margin of error. You want leeway? So you want balls that are out to be called in? Like a hair. Like a millimeter. I literally almost spit on my face. I'm going to bend the rules to a more lenient direction. Did you just cut to Graham and just be like, what do you think, Graham? He's like, we'll call that one in. It was a hair out. Yeah. How many has? I mean, getting it right. Forty nine percent of the ball is hanging over the line. The red dot is trying to touch the white line. Right. But it didn't touch. I know. These are black and white things. You're talking, you're just like a big gray area. But man, that's it's accurate. I love it. Yeah. You got to love that. Yeah. That's a big step up. And it definitely improves the cheating and challenging, I think, didn't it made it better or more cheating? Yeah. People were like, get away with it. No one was trying anything weird. Right. Unless they're trying to get a free time out. But it's in tennis, the the ball is called out by the sound system immediately. Right. Isn't that how it happens for Hawkeye? Yes. It's not others. I mean, they don't have rest anymore at most events. Right. Oh, so like you don't even have to think about whether to play the ball. It just decides for you as soon as it bounces. That's only true for serves, though, right? No, for every ball. Every ball, even on the baseline? Every ball, sideline, baseline, a noise goes off. Every ball. Yes. Wow. I didn't know that. I mean, there are some events like the French Open, for example, which was like a big point of issue. Roddick made a big point of issue, which he's right. If you have the technology to make sure the call is right 100 percent, why have human error or interpretation like just get it fucking right? Yeah. And so, yeah, for most events now, they use Hawkeye system that is automated and it just calls, calls, calls, calls. Um, but what does the Tennis Association own Hawkeye? They probably bought it, but I don't know if they own it. That's what I mean. They both. why didn't they why weren't they smart enough to just knock it off instead of paying for it every year? Yeah, like PPA. Get that guy and find him and find that guy. Guys, a lot of money. They should get they should talk to us. We've got the technology, guys, we can help you out. Now, we would license that out for millions at this point. We're fucking crafty businessmen. Let me tell you. That's funny. Do you think that you would prefer to have that system where you don't have to make the call, just calls it right away? Not me. Absolutely. You wouldn't like that? No. What do you what do you say? I love the banter. I love the thrill of seeing it on the TV. For a guy who's so non-controversial, timid. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no. I like the call. And then I like to see it on the screen. Everyone's like, ooh, just me. I love that. I love that moment. Can't you do that with the Hawkeye? Like calls out. No, the Hawkeye's beeping, doesn't it? Yeah, but no, it just goes, it literally makes a sound like, oh, yeah. And then, but you can ask, can I see the call? And they'll show it up on the thing. It's like, ooh, because they don't trust the noise. No, they just want to see how far they missed it by. Yeah, it's just like in case you missed it. Here it is. OK, then I like that system. Yeah, I like if it's calling it for you right away, but you can say, let me see it on the big screen. OK, got it. I like that system. Like some revolutionary new shit that I'm playing for fucking years. I like that fucking tennis. OK, buddy, we apparently got some pretty important tennis guests coming on. I need you to fucking know some more shit. We can have this guy. So you're saying who's Debbie Griff? I'm going to do that. I'm going to ask them all about Hawkeye. Oh, God, that's great. She'll have every answer for you. That's amazing. But you, you had a better run with at least in Texas, right? Yeah, we got a little better. It was the weirdest, craziest match ever. First round, we played Marshall Brown and Alex Walker and legit, like I hit a lob that I hit almost as hard as I can. And it went bounce on their side and came back to ours. Just how windy it was. Love that. You couldn't play at all. And we squeaked out of it somehow ugly as shit. And then it was definitely windy for the second round, but not nearly as like we almost found a little area of normalcy. Yeah, at least played great. She was like, I kept on her shack as a joke because there was a couple points where she was like driving and you can crash and putting the ball away. I was like, listen, that's like shack taking threes. Don't do that. Like you're now you're getting this false sense of confidence. You can do that. You can't do that. We're joking about it the whole time. And so I was like, diesel diesel. Nice. She was having fun, but she played great against Matt and Lucy. I think we were like, maybe down or seven all game one. And then from there, seven and three or something was Matt talking. Was Matt talking shit? No, no, no, not at all. Matt. Matt and I have, it's turned into like this very respectful banter relationship back and forth. Maybe like one little word here and there, but nothing like is normal for either of us. So what's going on with them? Why, why do they, I feel like I don't see them in the round of sixteens or quarters as often now. I mean, there's probably a few reasons. I don't think it's just one. I think it's difficult to date someone that you play with, you know, So it's like that probably doesn't help. Yeah And then, you know it the older you get as I as am I it's hard to be as agile and take over the court at the same clip I think as the paddles have gotten faster and faster and faster and faster and faster and fucking faster. Yeah kitchen faster faster then You know the really good things that Matt's good at like speeding up off the bounce or dinking They're not as prevalent because you can just fucking blast the shit out of the ball at the girl and it becomes like this You know, let's call it agile chaos So I think it's it's difficult If you had a girlfriend or a wife that also played pro pickleball Would you play with them or would you split up and have different partners? I mean depends how good she is She's the number one in the world. I can play with her every time. Oh, really? Yeah