Ep 24 | My Secret Sin: Finding Freedom From Addiction through Deliverance and Sanctification with Dani

Have you ever felt imprisoned in an unending cycle, desperately yearning to break free? What happens when you're a 'good Christian,' but find yourself grappling with sin?  Join us for this intimate conversation with returning guest Dani as she courageously unveils her journey of deliverance and sanctification.

Dani bares her soul about her struggle with the shackles of vaping and marijuana, and how what began innocently  morphed into a tormenting addiction that seemed impossible to escape.

This conversation is a resounding testament to God's boundless love, the life-transforming grace of Jesus Christ, and exhilarating liberation that comes from embracing a life fully surrendered to the Holy Spirit 🔥🕊

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. The Path to Freedom: Discover how surrendering to Jesus Christ leads to true freedom from addiction and sin, and how faith plays a pivotal role in this journey.
2. The Importance of Community Support: Explore the significance of seeking help within a supportive Christian community, sharing your struggles, and engaging in collective prayer for healing and deliverance.
3. How to Navigate  Guilt and Redemption: Gain insights into distinguishing between healthy conviction and destructive shame, and how to approach God with humility for forgiveness and breaking free from sinful patterns.

💁🏾‍♀️NEW HERE?  Jemese is a Christian trauma therapist, women's mentor and Spirit-filled host of A New Creation Podcast. Through Christ-centered conversations and inspiring testimonies, Jemese guides women through trauma healing, deeper faith, and freedom in Jesus Christ. 

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Transcript

Finding Deliverance and Sanctification

Jemese LaChel 0:00

Have you ever felt like other people knew what you were dealing with or what you were doing in secret that it would be so shameful , so embarrassing , if people actually knew what you were battling ? Maybe you give the appearance that you're super put together from the outside , but deep down in your heart you need help , you're struggling . If that resonates with you , you definitely don't want to miss this episode . There is hope inside . Inside , let's go . Hey friend , welcome to a new creation podcast where we're pointing women towards victory in Christ , one Jesus story at a time . My name is Camille Lachelle . I'm so glad that you're here . Let's dive right in to today's episode . Friends , I want to welcome you back to the podcast .

Jemese LaChel 1:00

I am super excited because I've got my girl , danny , here for her part two . If you scroll back to episode I think didn't we say it was 17 ? I think we said seven , episode 17 you'll hear the first part and this is the second part excited to um . Just here with the Lord has been doing Just . He's been moving in your life . We intend it . I don't know , we know we didn't actually say it like this , but we intend it . I think we both thought like part two would come pretty quick , but it's like what six months later ? Yeah , for a purpose though , because I'm Having shot it with you , I I just know that if you had shared it , then it wouldn't have been . It would have been the fullness . Like this is the story that we need to hear . This is this is it , and I'm excited .

Dani Kay 2:03

Yeah , it's all in his perfect timing and I am grateful for his timing . Yeah , always on time .

Jemese LaChel 2:09

So before we get into that , let's pray .

Dani Kay 2:16

So , father God , we thank you for this time . We thank you , lord Jesus , for every person who clicks on this podcast to listen . Lord , we lift up every listener . We thank you for them . Lord Jesus , would you Show them your heart ? Lord , would you Be the center of this whole entire testimony ? Lord Jesus , I thank you for the work that you've done in my life and I pray that you would do the same work in the lives of every person who's listening . Lord Jesus , you are the chain breaker and we thank you , lord Jesus , for what you're going to do in the lives of each and every listener . And Jesus , mighty name , amen , thank you , thank you , thank you .

Jemese LaChel 3:07

Yeah , so I'm not gonna blabber on , cuz I want to hear you yeah , let me hush my mouth and turn it over to you Tell us what's been going on since like Episode 17 , I suppose , and like was I know . People are wondering yeah , you don't have to , you don't have to start like that .

Dani Kay 3:27

Obviously , but I want to hear like a little bit about .

Dani Kay 3:29

You know life alright , so um pretty much within this last six months or so , the Lord's been taking me through a process of Sanctification really is what I would call it . I think we had , you know , we talked about the last one being from Out of the darkness into the light , right , and so part of that is that I was struggling with some sin in my life and it's been a process , and that's why I say in his perfect timing , because it really is a process , and I'm so grateful for deliverance , because really that's that's what he did in my life . He delivered me from the sin that I was struggling with , and that's mainly what I want to talk about is what that process of Deliverance and sanctification was like for me . I'm not gonna lie , it was not easy , but oh , lord Jesus , was it worth it . I just praise him for everything that he's done . And so , with that , I want to start by Acknowledging what it was that I was struggling with . So when I first got saved , I was struggling with a multitude of things , but he it was kind of like one by one , he was taking me through , setting things down right because he requires us to Do our part , and a couple of the things that I was struggling with . The first thing that I put down was alcohol . I had used to drink a lot , and that was the first thing that I put down . The other two things that I struggled with the most was smoking , marijuana and Vaping , and so it was . It was really hard , but I say that to say that it was worth putting it down .

Dani Kay 5:46

One of the things that I was struggling with was One of the first things that the Lord started revealing to me . Was that the sin that I was Doing , the things that I was doing smoking , weed , vaping , doing those things that was separating me from him . And that was the first conviction that I felt was that Even the amount of time that I spent Smoking , the amount of time that I spent Going to vape shops and you know all that kind of stuff that was separating me from him , because that was time that I spent doing something other than Giving him my attention . And he is a jealous god right , he's jealous for us , he wants our time , he wants our love , and that was the first thing that he revealed to me was that was separating me from him . And , of course , nothing can separate us from his love , but it was separating and causing Interference in my relationship with him because it really interferes with our ability to see and hear him clearly , and that was difficult , but you know , in these last days it's so important for us to see and hear him clearly .

Dani Kay 7:11

And you know , any kind of addiction , whatever it may be and it could be drinking , it could be smoking , it could be vaping , it could be fornication , whatever it is an addiction Is a bondage that god wants to set you free from , and when you're addicted to something , you become a slave to . Whatever it is that you're addicted to . John 8 , 34 says that everyone who commits sin Is a slave of sin , and when you repent and you turn away from it , you change your mind about Whatever it is . Then roman 6 , 18 says that you have been set free From sin and you have become slaves of righteousness . And that's what I want to be . I want to be a slave of righteousness , I want to Be set apart , I want to To Be holy , just as he is holy and that was one of the things that he was revealing to me was that that sin that was still in my life was Making me a slave . I was a slave to sitting down and smoking when my spirit , man wanted to be worshiping god . My spirit wanted to be reading the word . My spirit wanted to be doing so many other things , but my flesh was screaming and I was a slave to that and it was oh my goodness , it was exhausting . It was so exhausting . You know , the word of god says that our spirit and soul Really are our flesh , and our spirit is constantly at war with each other . And that is One of the biggest things that I was experiencing in that process of sanctification was that I was feeling that war going on between my spirit and my flesh and I so desired to be free From that .

Dani Kay 9:23

One of the things that I felt led to talk about was that when I was deep in my sin , I was smoking . I was smoking weed like three or four times a day . It wasn't Satisfying me . It got to the point where it was just it felt like a chore and I really struggled because when I would try and go to sleep , I would have to smoke weed first , because for so many years I had unintentionally trained my brain and body to not be able to settle down and go to sleep without smoking first . And the same thing was true for eating . You know , because I struggled in the past with eating . It really was more so of an eating disorder , but , um , I had told myself that it was okay that I was smoking Because I was able to eat on a regular basis , and so I made excuses for my sin and in that it helped me sleep , it helped me eat .

Dani Kay 10:28

But Really , what god revealed to me was that he desires to help us with those things . You know , he is our peace , he desires to overflow us with ease , you know . It also , too , is that those things they're false comfort , they're false Helpers is really what it is , and that is a false holy spirit , because the holy spirit is our comforter , the holy spirit is our helper . I used to hear people say false holy spirit , false holy spirit , and I didn't know what that meant . But while god was taking me through this process , I understood that that is what he means when there's something , when there's something that we're placing in our life or even just allowing to stay in our life , and we are using it as a help , for as comfort .

Dani Kay 11:30

I'm like there were times that I would smoke to get comfortable , but the holy spirit is my comforter , and so it was causing so much confusion and disruption in my spirit , man , and I wanted to be free from that . I wanted to be free from feeling like I was Not doing what I was supposed to be doing . First Corinthians , 612 , says that if you say or you say , I'm allowed to do anything , but not everything is good for you . And even though I am allowed to do anything , I must not become a slave to anything . And I'm so grateful that the Lord revealed to me that we can do anything . Right , we have free will . We can do anything , yeah .

Jemese LaChel 12:27

Yeah , we have liberty in Christ . A lot of people say that I've got liberty . Yep , he's given us liberty .

Dani Kay 12:34

He's given us freedom and that's true , it is absolutely true , and that's why , you know , in the Word it says that you know we've been given grace , but with that grace , should we just keep on sinning ? No , no , his grace is there so that when we sin , when we mess up , when we fall short , we can run to him . We have an advocate with the Father and you know , his grace is there so that when we mess up , we can go to him and repent and turn away from it . And that was one of the biggest things that he was showing me was like not everything is good for you . So , yes , you can do anything , but you should not just do anything , you should weigh the cost of it . What is it going to cost me Spiritually , and do I want to become a slave to anything other than Christ Jesus ? And when God was taking me through this , he was revealing to me , because there were a lot of times I feel like this is super important to touch on , because this was something that really tripped me up in this process of sanctification , because I was so eager to be set free from the things that were holding me back in my walk with God and I would put the things down .

Dani Kay 14:07

For example , I would quit smoking weed for a few weeks , I'd put it down and then I would pick it back up , and then I would put it down and then I would pick it back up , and it was a vicious cycle of quitting and starting , quitting and starting .

Dani Kay 14:30

And the same was true with vaping . I would go days , weeks without vaping and then I would fall into temptation and I would start again , and it was causing so much frustration . And so I asked the Lord why does this keep happening ? Why can't I put it down and stick to it ? And it was because I was trying to do it in my own strength . I was trying so hard to do it by myself , without relying on the help of the Holy Spirit , even though there were times that I would ask Him for help and I would pray and I would think that I was leaning on the help of the Holy Spirit , but I was still trying to do it in my own strength . And with everything that we struggle with , with every sin , with anything that does not be God , there's a wrong mindset that goes with that there's mindset . So we need deliverance from the thing itself , but we also need deliverance from the mindset accompanying that .

Jemese LaChel 15:52

That's so true because without the deliverance of the mind , you may lay it down , but if your mind doesn't change , you go right back through it . I've seen it happen over and over Yep and I meet the people who win the lottery and then they get all that money and then they're back broke again in six months , because they spent it all , because their mindset didn't change Exactly .

Dani Kay 16:16

Exactly , and that was when I was asking the Lord about that . He was revealing that to me . We have a mindset that needs to change , and that's why , when we talk of repentance , when we repent , repentance is acknowledging our wrong , but it's also changing our mind . It's turning away from whatever it was and changing our mind about it . So you know , the biggest thing that renews our mind Drumroll .

Jemese LaChel 16:52

Drumroll .

Dani Kay 16:53

It's the Word of God , the Word of God , the Bible , renews your mind . So when you're reading the Word , when you're getting filled up on what His Word says , you're renewing your mind . Those mindsets are shifting . You're getting deliverance in your mind from things that sometimes there are , mindsets that you don't even realize are there until you get delivered from them and you look back and you're like whoa , I'm thinking differently about that . Or this is something that happened with me . I would interpret a scripture one way , with a wrong mindset , and then , when I renewed my mind and I got free from that mindset , I would read that scripture and see it completely differently than how I used to see it . And you know , god desires to set us free from mindsets as well that don't serve us , because our mindsets should glorify God .

Jemese LaChel 17:59

Amen , absolutely . And I'll be honest Like I don't believe that I have ever quite heard many people speak on this topic . We love to talk about getting deliverance from the devil , stomping on the devil we love to talk about that , but I think we also have to recognize like there is a battlefield in our mind and , of course , we need to be delivered from those wrong ways of thinking as well , because it's your thoughts , like you were just saying , like you were convincing yourself that it was okay . Yep , you know , like it helps me in some way For that such a lie , it's such a lie , it is absolutely a lie .

The Gift of Repentance and Freedom

Jemese LaChel 18:45

We don't want ourselves to like be talking ourselves into sin . Basically , that's exactly right .

Jemese LaChel 18:52

Yeah , you know , we talk you and I talked about this the other day that , like , repentance and sin have become cuss words to some people . Yeah , people don't want to hear about it , they don't want to talk about it , but it's a gift to know what is sin . It's a gift to know , like man , I'm not crazy , yeah , I was addicted . The addiction , the addiction was a sin pattern . I'm not crazy . Yeah , you know , like that's such a gift of God to know what you're dealing with , first of all , and put language to it , and then to have Jesus who bought all of our sins for us . He's the one who sets us free . The whole thing is incredible .

Dani Kay 19:42

Yes , come on , that's exactly right and it . Repentance in and of itself is truly a gift . To be able to recognize our wrong , change our mind and turn away from something is a gift , and praise God that we have the ability to do that . Praise God that we have the ability to get back up when we've fallen and we , when we don't do the things that we should do , we can change our minds , we can change our actions , we can turn away from things that are not glorifying God , and the other thing with that is that we can ask God to remove mindsets that are not glorifying him Right . So we can ask God to help us with that process , cause , let me tell you , doing it by yourself does not work . I tried it . It does not work . It's not worth it . God wants to help you to break free from addiction . God wants to help you to break free from wrong thinking . I've heard people refer to it as stinking thinking , and it is . It's thinking in a way that does not glorify God , when we should be glorifying our father Right .

Jemese LaChel 21:07

Yeah , so it's also thinking in a way that doesn't even honor yourself . You know , this culture is so moved by self self self , self , mimi , and honestly , a lot of the times , that the thought patterns don't even honor ourselves .

Dani Kay 21:31

It's like very double minded .

Jemese LaChel 21:33

Come on you know what I'm saying , like you said you care about yourself . I just need to relax , I just need to take care of me . But the reality is that a lot of times the wrong thinking , the sin causes you to even sin against your own self .

Dani Kay 21:51

Yeah , which is yeah , that's what sin does . We are sinning against our own self . And the other thing , too , is our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit . The Holy Spirit lives in us . So when we sin , thank God to sin with us and the whole . That's a whole revelation in and of itself .

Dani Kay 22:15

Because , you know , when I realized that it made me feel bad , I was like man , jesus , I don't want to . You know like I don't think you want to smoke . Smoke with me , you know like I would . Just , my mind was shifting . I was starting to look at it in a different way , because I used to make excuses for it . And the more that I got in the word , the more that God worked on my heart and worked on my mindset , the more I started to see sin for what it was . I started to see that what I was doing was not pleasing my father , it was not glorifying him in any way , shape or form , it was not benefiting my spirit man at all . And there's another thing too , that another excuse that I used to make for my sin was that it was helping me to focus on him . It was bringing me into encounters with him , which was not true .

Jemese LaChel 23:23

That's so like let's talk about that .

Dani Kay 23:26

Yeah , it just simply was not true . Yeah , I know Exactly , yeah .

Jemese LaChel 23:31

You know to this day , like how many people think that they're using weed to have a spiritual experience , not realizing they are encountering demons . There you go . That's exactly right . That's exactly right . What does the Bible say ? That Satan comes and he masquerades around as the angel of light . Yep , and if you don't have the wisdom and the word of God in you to be able to test the spirit , to even know how to do that , I mean , go on .

Dani Kay 23:55

I think that's first John 4 . I talked about test every spirit to see whether or not it's of God . We are called as children of God to test every spirit . If you are smoking and you are believing that it is taking you into an encounter with your father , can I just tell you , I promise you it is not doing that , it is not doing that . The Holy Spirit wants to take you into an encounter with your father and he can do that , so much more so than smoking weed can . That's right . And he desires to take you into those deep places with your father , god . The Holy Spirit desires to take you into those deep places and those deep revelations and those deep encounters with your father , who loves you so , so much , so much , yeah .

Overcoming Numbness and Addiction

Jemese LaChel 24:55

You told me that at a point you had gotten numb to the conviction that the Holy Spirit was giving you about some of these things . Tell us about that . I did , I did .

Dani Kay 25:12

I absolutely became numb to the conviction that I was experiencing . And you know , conviction is a gift as well . It's there to help us understand that whatever we're doing is not pleasing God . And I became numb to that feeling because , even though I was experiencing the conviction , I would still continue to do it , I would still continue to smoke , I would still continue to go and buy vapes and continue to vape , because you know , I would get so angry with myself when I would experience the conviction and I would continue to do what it was that I was doing . I got angry and it got to the point where I just started to dismiss the conviction I just started to . I was numb , I just dismissed it to a point and what I did not realize was that disobedience is as unto witchcraft .

Dani Kay 26:15

The Word of God says in 1 Samuel 1523 , this is the amplified version says that for rebellion is as serious as the sin of divination or fortune telling . Disobedience is as serious as false religion and idolatry , because you have rejected the Word of the Lord . He also has rejected you as king . So that is really serious . That is you when we are in rebellion , when we are in disobedience and we're dismissing the conviction of the Holy Spirit in us . That's the same as false religion , idolatry , fortune telling .

Dani Kay 27:05

As children of God , we don't want anything to do with that . That is not our portion . And when he revealed that to me , that that is the same as witchcraft . Ew Right , gross , I don't want anything to do with witchcraft . And by being disobedient , by being rebellious and continuing to do what I wanted to do , it was not producing fruit , it was not benefiting me , it was not glorifying him and it really did become idolatry . I was idolizing smoking weed , I was idolizing vaping . I constantly had those things in my hands when I should have had the Word of God in my hands is the conviction that I felt it truly was . It was a hard revelation to swallow .

Jemese LaChel 28:14

Yeah , yeah . So for me , like outside looking in for our listeners , me and Danny are very good friends . I consider Danny , like you're literally one of my best friends , yes , and so I knew some of this , but I didn't know at all . And that just goes to show you the insidious ickiness of sin and what it does , because not only does it interfere with your relationship with God , but it becomes a thing between your most personal relationships as well . Yeah , any kind of addiction , you know . You feel like you have to hide it .

Jemese LaChel 28:51

Then shame comes in , and so outside , looking and being on this side of the testimony , looking back , I would be praying for my girl , danny , I would be praying for you and it would be like the cycle . I didn't know everything , but I'd be praying and we'd be breaking stuff off and like how many times that we pray deliverance and be breaking stuff off and like , but it would seem like a cycle , you know , and I was like , okay , so it's . It's beautiful to me to see how the Lord truly does hold on to us . He does not let us go . He had you in your hand , in his hands , he was keeping me , yeah , and he was pulling along . But it is such a cycle . It is a cycle .

Jemese LaChel 29:36

It is like a , a merry-go-round , and she wouldn't get off from it .

Dani Kay 29:40

I'm glad that you're off . It's a cycle . It's a vicious cycle , but can I tell you that it does not have to be .

Jemese LaChel 29:49

It doesn't . It really doesn't . It does not . It does not have to be . Let's highlight that in circle , that that's so true . I think with addiction that you get used to these kind of worldly messages of you're going to relapse . So you might as well just like just accepted and being known by that name , being known as all your alcoholic , your , your weed smoker , your vapor being known by those names . But the Lord doesn't call you that . It doesn't have to be a cycle . You don't have to be called by those names .

Dani Kay 30:20

That's exactly right . You do not have to live in that vicious cycle . The biggest thing is that with addiction , with sin , whatever it may be , it requires an action step . It requires you to take a step of faith and to decide to put it down . And this goes in with renewing your mind with the word of God . But it requires you to put it down and that was one of the biggest things that God was showing was that you know , like , towards the end of this process he was . He kept telling me to put it down .

Dani Kay 31:05

I actually had an encounter with the Lord one night when I was smoking . He I heard him so clearly in the middle of smoking he said put it down . And I was like whoa , and so I did , and he told me to go and get a pen and a notebook and start writing . And in that moment that was how he was speaking . I was praying and as I was praying in the spirit , he was speaking to me and he answered some questions that I had had since I got saved and he was showing me that in that encounter , he was showing me that my relationship with him in order to continue to move forward and go , like the word says from glory to glory . For him to take me where he has for me to go , it requires me to make a decision put it down . I was crying out to God one night and I was so frustrated . I was so frustrated Because , let me tell you , after that night , when he told me to put it down , I picked it back up and then I put it down again , and then I picked it back up and I put it down again and I was crying out to him and I was so frustrated . I was so tired of the cycle . I was so tired of continuing to do what I know he did not want me to do .

Dani Kay 32:42

And I heard him so gently , so gently said Danny , I want all of you . I want all of you . And he wasn't angry . He was not angry . I could hear the love , I could hear the sincerity in his voice . He wanted every part of me . He didn't want a single part of me to be held captive by any kind of sin , any kind of rebellion , any kind of shame . And there were parts of me that he didn't have . There were parts of me that I didn't allow him it . I wanted him to have all of me . I wanted him to have every part of who I am and every part of who he created me to be . I wanted to have it , and I know that he wants every part of every single one of his children , that's right , every single part of whom you are . He wants it because he loves you , he desires to set you free , he desires to take you in to what he has for you .

Dani Kay 34:27

And he told me again I was getting ready to go to a conference right after . He said that to me , actually . So I put it down and I went to this conference . And it was at this conference that the second night I was there because I didn't bring anything with me . I put it down and I knew I was going out of town . So that was my step of faith was to put it down , leave everything here and go away to this conference . That was what I did in the second night .

Dani Kay 35:07

They it was a deliverance service and they called up everyone who needed deliverance from anything , any single thing that was holding them down . They called you up to the altar and I'm standing back there and my heart is pounding so hard . It felt like it was going to pound out of my chest and I knew I had to go up there . So I went up there and they prayed over everyone . They laid hands on everyone , they prayed over everyone and I told this woman .

Dani Kay 35:43

I said I want to be free , completely free from weed and nicotine . She prayed over me and I felt this weight lift , like the spirit of addiction . I felt it live along with the mindset . I felt like I was free in my mind . I felt like I could feel the love of God just flood in and fill up every part of me where the addiction was , where the shame was , where the condemnation was , where all of the things didn't work by him and where I felt the love of God fill those places . And it was so much greater than words can even express . It was huge .

Dani Kay 36:52

And I went back to my seat and I was praying and I said God . I said what is it about this time that makes it different from all the other times that I received prayer , all the other times that I tried to do self deliverance on myself , all the other times that I tried to surrender everything to you ? What makes this time different ? And they gave a message about . He had started to minister this word to me , but then someone else in the conference a day later gave a word on this , about lots wife and about how she turned back . And she turned back at what she had come from and she turned into a pillar of salt and God said to me don't turn back . Don't turn back . He said Jesus . He said your future needs you more than your past does . Let me tell you , if you are listening to this , your future needs you more than your past . Your future needs you more than your yesterday . You are needed in the body of Christ . Your gifts are needed . Your talent is needed . There are things that you have that I don't have . There are gifts that you have that I don't have . And every single one of us is necessary . Every single one of us is important in the body of Christ . Having that revelation of your future and where God wants to take you , that is huge . Don't look back . Don't look back . Don't look back . Getting that revelation that freed me from a mindset of that vicious cycle of continuing to go back to whatever it was , because my flesh was screaming at , because I felt like it that broke off of me that day , that mindset of that vicious cycle . It broke .

Dani Kay 39:30

And the second Corinthians seven one says let us cleanse ourselves from everything that can defile our body or spirit and let us work toward complete holiness , because we fear God . God is not the fear that we think it is . It's not the worldly fear like we would imagine . It's fear of God is reverence , it's honor , it's honoring the King of kings and the Lord of Lord . And so we are to cleanse ourselves , and God does that cleansing in our spirit .

Dani Kay 40:14

And but we have a part to play in our freedom . We have a part to play in our sanctification , and that's our willingness to put down whatever it is . That's our willingness to take that step of faith . That's our willingness to cooperate and partner with the Holy Spirit to become free . God doesn't desire for us to defile ourselves . God doesn't desire for us to live in those vicious cycles . He wants us to be free . He wants us to be free more than we want to be free . He wants us to be free so that he can take us to the place that he has for us . There's a process , but it doesn't have to be a cycle .

Jemese LaChel 41:09

I love that . It's a process , but it doesn't have to be a cycle . That's exactly right . Yeah , there's a freedom in Jesus that you will not find it any place else . So I work as a trauma therapist , as a Christian counselor , and so it's interesting because before I got into this work , I worked in like secular workplaces where we couldn't pray , you know none of that kind of stuff .

Dani Kay 41:41

And it's just interesting .

Jemese LaChel 41:42

Having seen that psychology could take you so far , you need Jesus to get that true freedom . Psychology can give you tools . The Lord made our minds . He knows all the he knows . There's people who think that we don't need , like you know , counseling . Whatever . I'm of the mindset that God made our minds just like he made our body . So you have a doctor for your body . I believe that he made our mind . There's a science to the mind as well .

Jemese LaChel 42:16

You can't get so far in doing it , the the quote unquote normal way with psychology tools , or or follow this many steps and then you'll be free , or you know . But there's a freedom in Jesus . You just won't find it any other way . You don't got to . You got to take one step to him . Yep , that step is yes , jesus , that step is a yes , yes , I'm not going to resist you . No more , I'm not going to do it anymore . Yes , jesus , I want it your way . Yep , yes , I'll lay it down . Yes , you're the King of Kings and the Lord of the Lords . Yes , lord , I receive salvation . That yes to Jesus .

Dani Kay 43:03

He wants our yes .

Jemese LaChel 43:05

Yeah , he does . I've been . I've been on this yes thing for like it feels like about two years for real , like I don't think I'm going to let it go because it's like we got to give him that fresh yes , yep , we got to do it .

Jemese LaChel 43:20

We don't want to get so familiar with him To the point where we think that we got it . Yep . Oh , I don't like that phrase . People say I got it , I got it , I got this , you got this , but the fact is we don't got it . We don't If we , if we got it , the word would be the need for a savior . If we could do it in our own strength .

Dani Kay 43:43

Yes , we were talking about that . We were talking about that . Why would Jesus have had to come ? Why would we have needed a savior if we could have done it ourselves ? Yeah , we can't . And that was what he was showing me when I was trying to do it in my own strength , trying to get free in my own strength . I couldn't do it Right . I failed so many times , I fell so many times . But it's not about how many times you fall , it's about how many times you get up . But the thing is is that limit the amount of times that you fall and just say yes to Jesus helping you . Just say , yes , jesus , I want the freedom . Yes , jesus , I want to submit this to you . I want to lay this down . I want what you have for me in exchange for what I think is good for me . I don't want what I think is good for me , I want what you know is good for me . Yeah , and we really can't do it ourselves .

Jemese LaChel 44:48

We need Jesus , we can't . And also , if you don't want to say yes to , if you're listening , you're like what are they talking about ? Because I know how that is to feel . Like , oh , somebody else is so much further ahead in their faith walk and like , oh , I can't ever be like that , you know which is just not true , first of all . But if you don't know what yes to say , say , yes , jesus , I trust you Because in that statement , you lay down your need to understand how it's going to work out . Because , yes , jesus , I just trust you . You lay down your need to have to fix it on your own . Because , yes , jesus , I just trust you . Yes , jesus , I trust you that you're good and you're going to do this thing for me and that you want to . I trust you . Yes , jesus , I trust you . Start there .

Dani Kay 45:48

Yes Jesus , yes Jesus . Well , you know , we get deliverance . There's pretty much three different types of deliverance . There's deliverance from death , which is our salvation . We receive Jesus as our salvation . So we're delivered from death on the grave . But then we get deliverance from our mindset and we get deliverance from sin and saying yes to all three things . That is how he takes us from glory to glory . That is how he takes our hand and he walks with us . We're not supposed to try and do this on our own . God does not desire for us to try and do it on our own . Do you know how overwhelming it would be to do this on our own ? Yeah , impossible .

Jemese LaChel 46:46

We can never carry the load . We couldn't carry it we just couldn't .

Dani Kay 46:50

No , he wants us to partner with him , to say yes , yes , jesus , I trust you . And then to walk with him , to talk to him like he's our best friend , because he is , and the Holy Spirit , the Holy Spirit's also our counselor . So the Holy Spirit will help us , he will counsel us , and there's so much freedom in that , there's so much freedom in having a Savior that will hold hands with you and walk with you , will walk you through the things that are difficult , will walk you through the process of sanctification , will walk you through deliverance , will walk you through healing , because healing and deliverance go hand in hand . That vicious sin cycle that I was in . It was hurting my heart because I knew that it was not pleasing my father and it was hurting my heart that I was not pleasing him . And with the deliverance from that , my heart was healed from the wounds that I continued to inflict on myself . It was a heart healing , a mind healing , all in one .

Jemese LaChel 48:29

Yeah , amen , praise God . So I don't know how much time we have I feel like we're running up on time but I do feel led to ask you this question before we pray . Yes , so I know that there are people listening who are in the church and believers , but they are struggling and it's in secret , nobody knows . I wonder what you would say to that person .

Dani Kay 49:05

Yeah , yeah , I was one of them . I would say that talk to someone that you trust . The Bible says to confess our sins one to another and to pray for each other . And not only are you not supposed to do this alone , in the sense that God wants to help you , but you have brothers and sisters in Christ who also can help you and want to help you . If there is someone that you trust , you trust the spirit of God on the inside of that person , talk to them , confide in them . And I will say this you know , there's not a single thing that you are tempted by that other people are not tempted by , and that is why we have each other to bear each other's burdens , to pray for each other . You know , I had a couple of very close , trusted sisters in Christ that I confided in about this , when it got to the point where I felt like the Lord was nudging me to talk to someone because it was gnawing at me , and I did , and it helped so much because I didn't feel alone . I felt like there was some type of accountability , like there was some type of freedom , and even just talking about it that is also a form of feeling , and deliverance is opening up and talking to someone , confiding in someone that you trust , and having that person pray with you , having that person believe for your deliverance with you , that was huge , that was a huge help to me , and so I would say that talk to someone and I would also say that you're not alone .

Dani Kay 52:00

There's people all around you who are struggling that you know nothing about and you know we are all as the body of Christ . We are all pressing on towards the mark of the high calling , which is Christ Jesus . We are all , every single day , we are striving towards Jesus . We are trying to be more like Jesus , and so don't get in condemnation . Condemnation is not your portion Conviction pay attention to , but condemnation is not from God . For those who are in Christ Jesus , there is no condemnation . So do not get in shame . Beat yourself up . Confide in someone . Go to your father . You have an advocate with the father . Go to him . Talk to him . Talk to Jesus , ask him for his help . And go to a trusted friend and ask them to pray with you , ask them to believe with you , because there's power in numbers .

Dani Kay 53:22

You know the word says one , two or three agree as touching something . It will be done for them . That is true for deliverance , that's true for healing , that is true for all kinds of things . But touch and agree with someone that your freedom is now , your freedom is now , and partner with God on that , because he wants to set you free , completely free , and he wants to take you to where he has for you in his kingdom . You are necessary , you are important , you are needed and your gifts are needed . So that that is my heart , that is what I would say , because I was one of those people and I felt like I was living a double life . You don't have to live a double life . You can set one of them down and that is the one that doesn't glorify your king . You are so important to the body of Christ and your holiness , your purity , your righteousness is a huge part of that .

Jemese LaChel 54:50

Thank you so much , Tanny . Thank you , I am so grateful . I just thank God for you . I love to see you on the side of it . I can see , I can see by the spirit , the difference in you and it just , it just makes me glorify the Lord . I'm just so grateful for , for his name and the freedom that is found in him . But he loves us so much . Yeah , I just want to see any one of his children left behind struggling . He doesn't want that for any one of his children . No , he does not . Would you pray for putting you on the spot ? That's okay . You're powerful Intercessor . Would you pray as you're ?

Dani Kay 55:36

led . Yes , absolutely , I would be happy to Abba , Abba , abba , father . Lord Jesus , we thank you . I just declare and decree freedom over every single person listening to this podcast . I declare that a newness of the spirit of the living God come upon you , that the desire for holiness , righteousness and purity would grow in your spirit .

Dani Kay 56:24

Father God , I pray that you would cleanse each person's heart and renew a right spirit within them . Father God , I thank you that your love for each and every person is so , so great , it is overflowing . God , I thank you that the work that you have done in my heart , that you are doing it in each listener's heart . God , I ask that you would raise an awareness in the spirit realm of your love , that the awareness of your Holy Spirit living on the inside of every believer would be raised , that they would come to an understanding of how much you desire their freedom . God , I ask that you would hold each person's hand , that you would be their wraparound love . The wraparound love of Jesus would be with them .

Dani Kay 57:44

God , I ask that if there are those that are struggling with sin , lord Jesus , help them to lay it down . I find every spirit that is not the Holy Spirit and we command it to go now in Jesus' name and not return . Lord Jesus , your desire for each and every person to walk in the fullness of who you have called them to be is greater than any desire we could ever want . So , lord Jesus , I pray that you would give each listener's eyes , ears and ears to hear your Holy Spirit , that , god , you would reveal to them their calling , that you would reveal to them their giftings and that you would help them to walk into their future and not look at their path . I declare and decree deliverance and freedom from all sin In Jesus' mighty name . Lord Jesus , help them to walk forward , not backward . Thank you , Lord Jesus , for your freedom . Thank you , lord Jesus , for your love . We praise your Holy Name , god . We praise your Holy Name . In Jesus' name , we pray Amen , amen . Amen .

Jemese LaChel 59:15

Amen , Amen , Amen , Amen . Yes , thank you . Thank you so much , Danny . It has been a pleasure . If anybody listening is moved by this testimony , how can listeners reach you if they want ?

Dani Kay 59:33

to connect . If you want to connect , you can reach me by email at Danny D-A-N-I 414 1399 at gmailcom . Wonderful . Thank you so much , danny and Jimmy , I want to thank you for having me on . Thank you so much for giving me the ability to share my testimony . I honor you , I respect you and I love you .

Jemese LaChel 1:00:01

Thank you , danny . Thank you all for tuning in and listening . If any one of you has a testimony for Jesus that you want to share , please reach out , go to our newcreationpodcastcom and connect with me there , and , until the meantime , may God keep you and bless you until we meet again .