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Ep 35 | Deepening Your Connection with God (Faith Without Filters) w/ Dani Kay - Pt. 2
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Feeling spiritually unfulfilled despite your best efforts? Join Jemese and Dani Kay as they explore a refreshing perspective on connecting with God. This enlightening episode gently examines popular spiritual practices and offers a path to deeper, more authentic faith. Discover how aligning your heart with God's Word can transform your spiritual journey and bring you closer to the love of Jesus. Whether you're curious about faith or seeking renewed purpose, this conversation provides compassionate insights to help you experience the true richness of a Christ-centered life.
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Manifestation
Speaker 1You become God , you become the author , because here's the thing , when you get that thing that you're manifesting , where does the glory come from ? Do you give yourself glory or do you give God glory Because you did the work right ? You did all the manifesting .
Speaker 2This is part two of our conversation with Dani Kaye . If you have not listened to part one , go back and listen to part one . Go back and listen to episode number 34 . Let's not waste any time , we'll dive right into the intro . Welcome back to a new creation podcast where we are pointing women towards victory in Christ . One Jesus story at a time . My name is Kermese . I'm your host . Let's go . Let's go Before we get started .
Speaker 2Heavenly Father , I just lift your name and I just pray that you would edify the listener , that this word would edify the listener , that they would be able to hear what the Spirit of the Lord is saying . Lord Jesus , God , right now , I just ask that you would cause your daughter , on the other end , cause your son , who may be listening to this episode , lord Jesus , to hear your heart , to hear you , lord Jesus , and let every other voice that is not the voice of the Heavenly Father , every other voice , be silenced in Jesus' mighty name . That your power , that your name , that your will be done on earth as it already is in heaven , right here in this episode , right there in the listener's hearts's hearts . We bless you , we praise you in the mighty name of jesus , amen . You know , like I already I know , I'm seated in heavenly places in christ jesus . I know that I don't have to do all of these very works-based things that seem like they give power , they seem like they are godly , but they're not . It's come on , so you know you ?
Speaker 1oh my gosh , sorry , there was a spider dangling right in front of my face .
Speaker 2I had to kill it . Okay , I was like I know , it's not a cicada you're gonna have to edit that part out .
Speaker 1Um , anyway , okay , oh that was disgusting . I can't believe I killed it with my hand . Um , anyway , um , you you mentioned something . So , janice , I know that you said you came out of new age so you dabbled with new age . You're familiar with , you , know that world .
Speaker 2And I am .
Speaker 1I'm fairly familiar with it . I was around a lot of people who were participating in that and I was participating in it some myself , and so I think one of the you actually mentioned manifests Okay , and I think that that's something I want to talk about , because I think that in the church world there's a lot of believers , there's a lot of born again Christians that dabble in new age without realizing that they're dabbling in new age , and I think you know that's the purpose of deception . Right For the enemy to deceive is for you to not know that you're being deceived , right ?
Speaker 1Right , I think that there's a lot of scriptures that are taken out of context and that cause people to dabble with these things with the mindset that they're actually practicing the scriptures . But they're not . They're actually twisting the scriptures and practicing deception . And you mentioned manifest . And you mentioned manifest and I want to talk about that , because the scripture I think that is commonly with a little bit is to point to prayer and the power of agreement in prayer , and I think sometimes people take that scripture and they think that they can manifest things with their words in it . I really do believe that .
Speaker 1You know , people think that they're practicing that the right way , but they take it just a tiny bit too far , to where then it becomes new agey .
Speaker 1And let me , let me explain it like this so you have people on one side who are saying I declare and decree that you're going to be free from addiction , you're going to be free , you're going to be healed of cancer , I declare you're going to be free from this , free from that , and you're praying and you're declaring over someone health and you know prosperity and good things , good godly things . But then , on the other hand , there are people who take that and they begin to twist it for their selfish gain . And the reason I say that is because you'll have people who say oh , I'm manifesting a new house , I'm manifesting a house that's paid for , like someone's giving me a house . I'm manifesting healing in my body , I , but do you hear ? I , I , I , I . That is pride , and what made the devil fall ? Come on Pride . So I think that you know it can very easily cross over to a practice that is I'm just going to say it , it's demonic .
Speaker 2Yeah , say , yeah , say it like it is it really is .
Speaker 1It's demonic because you are not the author of your life . God is the author and finisher of your faith and of your life , and so when you try to manifest things into your life , you become God in your life , and that is idolatry , that is demonic , that is prideful , it's evil . And so I mean I've even heard men and women of God , I have heard leaders , I have heard very gifted men and women of God talk about manifesting prosperity , manifesting health , manifesting marriage , manifesting children , manifesting I mean , the list goes on and on , and on and on .
Speaker 1But I have heard people , men of God , men and women of God , talk about manifestation and like calling you know , oh . And then another scripture that people list is calling those things which be not as though they are . And people try to back up manifestation with that scripture . And again , it's taking it out of context , because you absolutely can call your body healed when it's not healed . You can call someone free from drugs . When they're not free from drugs , you can do those things . That's calling those things which be not as though they are . It's an act of faith .
Speaker 1But when you take it from an act of faith and you switch it over to I'm manifesting a healthy report . I'm manifesting a healthy report . I'm manifesting $10,000 in my bank account . I'm manifesting my husband to come and find me . Again , you become God , you become the author . Because here's the thing when you get that thing that you're manifesting , where does the glory come from ? Do you give yourself glory or do you give God glory ? Manifesting where did the glory come from ? Do you give yourself glory or do you give god glory because you did the work right ? You did all the manifesting , you brought it in right .
Speaker 1No , god is the one god and and oh I yeah , I could just go on and on , but I'm gonna leave it at that , because I think that manifestation and , you know , calling things into your life , is a very dangerous demonic doctrine and it's taken out of the context of scripture and it's dangerous and I just I want to leave it at that context of scripture and it's dangerous and I just I want to leave it at that . But you know , there's even people who consider that like manifestation , a spiritual awakening , and even that is , uh , dangerously demonic well it is .
Speaker 2It's a doctrine of devils , it's a doctrine of demons and , um , I just don't think that the body of Christ talks about it enough . Obviously , we want to talk about the doctrine of Jesus Christ , but he also told us don't be ignorant . Ok , and I think about the early church , I mean , they talked about this kind of stuff a lot because there was all kind of paganism going on . They talked about this kind of stuff a lot because there was all kind of paganism going on . They talked about this kind of stuff . They talked about how deceivers would come , and they talked about that . They talked about this .
Speaker 2And yet , here we are , 2024 , and now you are . What are they I'm trying to think of ? Like some of the weird stuff that I've heard people say whenever you choose to stand on Bible , you choose to stand on Bible , like Jesus told us to do , but they condemn you for that . You know what I'm saying , and it's really not about bringing division . It is about casting out the lies and the devil , though , and you know , um , what you said . To be clear , it's like oh , the only man , like manifestation , that word has been hijacked . Yeah , the holy spirit that that word has been hijacked .
Speaker 2I agree that this word did originate with the Lord . The Holy Spirit has his manifestations of power and glory , but they're his manifestations of power and glory . You know . The Lord is the one who gets the glory for these things . I loved how you explained that , because that's the difference and it's very . It is so sneaky and subtle that that , unless you pause , you would miss it completely . I can see how believers are falling for this mess . When you're instead allowing what feels good , you're allowing culture , you're allowing all these other things to speak with a louder voice than what the word of God said . The word of God is how he chose to lives in me that is a doctrine of demons , that right there .
Speaker 2you know it's like it's so subtle . It's so subtle , but we are living in times where we have to pay attention to this kind of stuff and I want to tell anybody listening like don't take our word for it no , you know go to the lord yourself . You know what I'm saying go to the word go to the word .
Speaker 2Go to the word . Jesus christ is the word . We pick it up . Read what the word says , see what he has to say about this stuff , and and let the holy spirit begin to teach you , because that's his job . Amen , he's our teacher and he will reveal um to us . We just gotta ask , just like I was saying just ask him what is true , yep what is the truth .
Speaker 1There's even been times where , like , I will not know a word , like , what does that word mean ? I will ask the holy spirit , holy spirit , what does that word mean ? And he'll tell me , and I'm like cool . And then I'll even like , like later I'll read the definition of it and go , oh my gosh , oh , that is what that means . But it's just confirming , because you know the holy spirit's not a liar , so he's not going to tell me something that's wrong , but he desires to give us the answers . We just have to ask him If hearing the voice of God or hearing from the Holy Spirit is something that you struggle with , I would suggest asking and then going to the Word of God , because there's been times where I'll ask God a question , and this was before I heard Him clearly , and I don't mean in an audible voice , I mean I heard Him in my spirit .
Speaker 1This was before I heard Him in my spirit . I would ask a question . This was before I heard him in my spirit . I would ask a question and then I would randomly open the bible and more often than not I would open directly to where I needed to be in the word of God , because God knows what scripture I need to read , knows where I need to be in the bible to answer my question , and he will speak to you that way if you're open and willing to take the time and listen to him that way .
Speaker 1And here's the thing you have to know the Bible . I don't care who you are , I don't care what church you go to , what denomination you are , I don't care if you were a Christian from the day you were born or you just became a Christian today . You have to know the Bible . You have to because if you don't know the Word of God , you will be led astray . The Bible says that even the very elect , even those who are very familiar with the Word of God , who speak to the Holy Spirit daily , who are walking in the Spirit with God , even the very elect will be led astray . And so you have to know the word . If you want to stay on the straight and narrow with Jesus , you have to know the word .
Speaker 2It's just the way it is .
Speaker 2You know , I went a lot of years . I went a long , long , long , long time with a Bible that I would take with me . I would pack it up in my boxes . I would move it to the next department , I would pack it up . I had a Bible but I did not read it for the longest time . And that lack of knowledge , oh man , I suffered . I suffered so bad . The devil was beating me up , deceiving me . It was just craziness . And then the Lord told me . He said you want to know ? You want to know who I am ? He said there's a whole book about me . He said pick up your Bible and read it . And I read that thing , I read it , I read the whole thing , and it doesn't take as long as you may think . But I began to know him and he said that my people perish for a lack of knowledge . Right , well , the Bible is knowledge and I don't want to perish .
Speaker 1I don't either .
Speaker 2You know , I don't want to perish and I also . I just want to add this you know , a lot of some people have said and I used to be one of them that reading the Bible is hard because I don't know what it all means . But it's the Holy Spirit , it's the Lord's job to help you understand . Your job is just to engage with the word . He will help you understand what you're reading . Your job is to engage with the word of god , and that that understanding will come in very unique ways , like you were saying . You know he would . He would point it out to you . I have asked him a question in my heart . I didn't even speak it out loud , me too . I'd asked him .
Speaker 2There was a um , if you remember , when the pharisees . The scriptures tell us how the pharisees were trying to trick jesus so that they could bring a charge against him . They were trying to trick him and jesus said who does this coin belong to ? Whose face is on this coin ? You know what I'm talking about . Whose face is on this coin ? And they said Caesar . He said give to God what belongs to God and give to Caesar what belongs .
Developing a Daily Bible Routine
Speaker 2I had a lot of question about that . I was like what were they trying to get Jesus to say ? Because the scriptures don't outright tell you that to say , because the scriptures don't outright tell you that ? And then the next day , I saw a random video pop up on my feed that answered that specific question . I was like , oh , and that's how I began to realize , okay , well , this is how the Lord , like he speaks to me and he's , he is alive and he , he's alive . You know , he's not just an idea , he's not just he is literally alive right now and , of course , he's going to answer your question .
Speaker 1He loves you .
Speaker 2You know , he wants you to know , you draw near to him , he draws near to you and you notice , and that's just the way that it is that that verse starts with when you draw near to god , he draws near to you .
Speaker 1You have to make the first step . God is always , always , always seeking you out , but you have to take the first step towards him , because he's been there the whole entire time waiting for you . But you got to step forward . And here's my advice If you struggle to read the word of God , if you struggle to understand it , like we were talking about , read it anyway . Read it anyway , because the more you do , the more you'll be surprised that you begin to understand it . You begin to make sense of it , because it's the Holy Spirit that's actually helping you understand it .
Speaker 1And if you struggle to read like I know some people struggle to just sit down and read , like they can't stay still or they struggle to focus then download the Bible app and while you're working or while you're taking a walk , or while you're taking care of your children or whatever you're doing , put some headphones in or play it on a speaker and listen to the Bible app all the time .
Speaker 1If it's routine for you to drive to work , put it on in the car and listen to it when you drive to work . If it's routine for you to work out at the gym , put it on in your headphones and listen to it when you drive to work . If it's routine for you to work out at the gym , put it on in your headphones and listen to it while you work out . There's so many ways that you can get the word in you without sitting there and struggling to understand it or sitting there and spending hours and hours and hours . If you make it a habit to be in the word of God , it will be the best decision that you've ever made in your entire life , because then you're building yourself up spiritually , and you it will be harder for you to be led astray when you have the word of God in your heart .
Speaker 2That's so true . That's so true , that's so true . I think about the people who have passed away , like my mother and my father , both passed away recently . I think about their life and I think about just some of the things that , like I know , my mom didn't know . I know that she didn't know from just not studying the word of God or I don't know . You just think about that kind of stuff and it's like he's put his word at our disposal . We have more access to the Bible than any other time in history .
Speaker 1Why is that ?
Speaker 2You know right , because the scripture , the scripture does , the scripture does tell us OK , the time is coming where there will be a lack of the word , we'll be wanting to get that word , but right now we're so blessed , we have it on our phone , you have it on YouTube for free . You have , you know , and this country is getting persecuted . You got to smuggle the Bible in yep it's illegal to have a bible .
Speaker 1I just think of some places .
Speaker 2Yeah , I guess I just think about all that kind of stuff like I'm someone like , okay , well , what does this say ? You know ? Uh , there's so many ways to get it in . I also just um , I shared something the other day about this . This is something else the Lord has been teaching me , not just about Bible , but just in general . He was teaching me that if we do the bare minimum and we do that bare minimum five , 10 minutes a day , but we're consistent at that , over time that bare minimum becomes your new standard , becomes your new baseline . And so you just went from not spending any time in the word to spending five minutes . That's the new standard . Okay , after five minutes , you can grow like the baseline grows you right , and and it'll increase over time and it's just a natural thing that will happen . The Lord will make you hungry , like you can't taste , oh yeah , and not want more . That's you know . He will make you . He will do that that is the thing .
Testing Every Spirit for Deception
Speaker 1That is the thing is the more of the word of god that you get in your heart , the more you read the bible , the more hungry you are . It's like I think about it this way when you eat a little bit of food , that jumpstarts your digestive system and it makes you more hungry . You want more food and so , in the same sense , the word of God is our spiritual food . So when you eat a little bit , or in other words , read a little bit , then you're going to be hungry for more of the word and it's it's natural , like you're naturally going to want more of the word because you're going to go . Wait a minute . This is really , really good . This is really good stuff . I want more , and you will notice yourself being more hungry for the word , and it's a beautiful thing and it's easy to see . Like you were saying , know , if you start out with five minutes a day , that's going to eventually turn into 10 minutes a day and it'll be natural you won't be striving or pushing yourself in a stressful way .
Speaker 2You'll actually desire to have more time with him yeah , so good , so so good and uh , oh , it's just so good because it really is all about more than I mean .
Speaker 2Yes , it is about knowing the word so that we do not fall into deception , because that's kind of a very sobering thought . It's kind of I mean , I want to say scary , but to think that you could be believing something is of god and it's not . That's kind of like whoa you have , you have to know the word in order to be able to discern those kinds of things . But more than that , your word is helping you know Jesus . It's helping you know who he is . It's helping you to see even what he says about you and your own identity . You to see even what he says about you and your own identity . You know more than we've been talking a lot about just knowledge of truth and making sure that we are walking that , that path , that he's leading us in , this path of righteousness . But it's so much deeper than just that . It's . It's really about him . It's about coming into right relationship , if you will .
Speaker 1Yeah , fellowship , yes , fellowshipping with him , spending time with communion with him that's really what it's about so I want to ask you , what is something else that you believe could easily deceive the church ? Something either from like the new age or some kind of teaching or doctrine that could easily enter the church or already has . That could be deceiving the people of god this is so good .
Speaker 2Where do I start ? Goodness , I feel like I could look around at any . I got a couple .
Speaker 1I got a couple too I got a couple too , but I want to see uh , I want to see which one . What is on your heart that you said so .
Speaker 2Okay , so I'm gonna say it . Um talking to spirits talking to um I . I know for a fact that there's people who believe that they're talking to angels . They believe that they're talking to um even I don't know , just spirits , even deceased loved ones .
Speaker 2People believe this that's necromancy it is , it just is , and that is , um , it's such a nasty , nasty scheme of satan . It's so ugly and wicked that he would , um , just take advantage of a person's pain , because usually it is pain in a person that's causing them to seek out a message from their dead loved one . Right , yeah , but that kind of stuff . I have definitely the Lord's allowed me to see some of this happening in his church , and it's not of God , it's . We just need so much more teaching on this , on what is a familiar spirit . That kind of stuff I'm on for sure that would be one big one . You know , the lord tells us to test every spirit of you know of the same word of god tells us that the devil is masquerading as an angel of light . Then why are we not out here testing every spirit the way he told us to do ? He puts it into the scripture . He tells us how to do it , he tells you how to do it .
Speaker 1Every spirit , test every spirit . He wouldn't say every spirit if he didn't mean every spirit .
Speaker 1That's right you know , and you have to know , that not every spirit that speaks is of god . Not every spirit that tells you what you want to hear is of god . I mean , like for you mentioned familiar spirit . I think there definitely needs to be more teaching on familiar spirits . Maybe that's something we can talk about in another one , some other time , cause I think that could be a whole entire podcast on its own .
Speaker 1But I will say that I know people personally who have dealt with familiar spirits , and I even had dealt with familiar spirits before the Lord delivered me . But there are people who believe that they're hearing from the Holy Spirit and like hearing off the wall . Things like that are completely contrary to the word and believing that it's from God and it's not from a familiar spirit , because a familiar spirit will study a person and know exactly who their loved ones are , exactly who their friends are , exactly . You know the kind of advice they receive , the kind of instruction they receive , that they can lead that person astray because that person will believe that familiar spirit and so it's bad .
Speaker 2Yes , it is bad .
Speaker 2Yes , it's bad and I'll be honest . The Lord is not offended whenever we ask him . He's not offended when he's speaking to us . Yeah , we get to the point where you know , you know the Lord's voice , but he's not offended by us testing something that we believe that we heard from him . He's not offended by that . He's not offended by that by any means . Right , why would we not test every spirit ? It says every spirit , just like you said yeah , and so , yeah , you're right . This false Holy Spirit like , come on , that could be its own episode .
Speaker 1It probably has to be . This false Holy Spirit .
Speaker 2Yeah , I feel like this is really leading into like a deeper conversation , because it is this false Holy Spirit that has believers thinking that it's okay to read these weird books , it's okay if I just ascend up to heaven and walk around , it's okay if I do this meditation , because they feel like they heard the holy spirit say this kind of thing , like it's dangerous . Um , we just don't see that example , and this is , I mean , it's all , like we're all keep coming back to the same point . You got to know the word because if it is contrary to the word of god , then you need to pass that thing out , pass that thing down .
Speaker 1you know , and here's the other thing too , for a very practical step . A very practical application to this is we keep saying test every spirit , test every spirit . Well , if you're listening to this and you're like , how in the world do I test the spirit ? What does that even mean ? How in the world do I test the spirit ? What does that even mean Then ?
Speaker 1What that means is , when you hear a voice , when you hear a spirit speaking to you or you hear something , you test it by saying did Jesus Christ come in the flesh and or is Jesus Christ Lord ? Because the Bible says that any spirit that has not come from God will not testify that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and will not testify that Jesus Christ is Lord . So how do you test the spirit ? You ask those two questions and if you hear that spirit say no , jesus Christ did not come in the flesh or jesus christ is not lord , then you know that is not a spirit from god . And if you hear it say yes , jesus christ came in the flesh sometimes I'll hear the whole sentence , sometimes I'll just hear yes then you know , okay , I can trust this spirit , I can trust that this is the Holy Spirit speaking to me , and the same applies for people , like , if you're listening to different pastors , different evangelists , different prophets , different people or leaders , you can even test the spirit behind those people .
Speaker 1And I think actually that's extremely important to do because , I mean , there's been times where , like I , I will very much so trust the person that is preaching , or trust the person that is leading , and I will test the spirit behind that person and , very surprisingly , I hear that no , jesus Christ did not come to the flesh . Or I will hear something else very specific to the situation or the person , and it's alarming because , you know , someone can very much so be led of the Lord and very much so be of God and then very quickly take a left turn and then be operating in a wrong spirit . And I think it's important to test the spirit behind those who are leading you , because I don't care what seminary they went to , I don't care what bible college they went to , I don't care if they've been a preacher , a pastor , for 57 years , I don't care , they can lead you astray just like anyone else can .
Speaker 1So you have to even test the people who are leading you . And that's not like in a like a dishonorable way or like a oh , like you're saying , like I you know , not to trust the people . No , I'm saying be conscious of those who are leading you , because you don't want to end up in the category of those who are going to be led astray . Like you have to be willing to test the spirit behind people , behind ministers , behind spirits that are saying to you . Like you have to be willing to because you know not again , like we were saying earlier , not everyone that says that they're of God or every thing that seems like it's of God is of God . So you just have to be mindful of that .
Speaker 2Is like it's of God is of God , so you just have to be mindful of that . Yeah , and so , for those who are wanting to dig deeper , go read 1 John , chapter four . Yes , 1 John , chapter four . Beloved , do not believe every spirit , but test the spirits to see whether they are from God , for many false prophets have gone out into the world , so important , and it goes on to tell you , just like you were saying so so good , it is so good .
Speaker 1I've even like prayed that and asked the lord is this person you know , a person of god , or is this person you know ? I ? I've prayed that , I've tested the spirit behind leaders before and like I'm not specifically like calling out any particular leader . That's not my heart posture at all , but I will say there has been times where I have tested the spirit and I have heard the Lord very clearly say that they have been deceived .
Speaker 1They've been compromised , they have been compromised and even like the week before that , it might not have been that way . I have heard the Holy Spirit say one time soothsayer . And I was like what in the world is that ? What is a soothsayer ?
Speaker 1and I actually found it in the word and oh yeah and I , I was looking into and praying into it , and a soothsayer is someone who says everything that you want to hear . They will . They'll . They'll say what you want to hear , but they won't say the things that are going to convict you and cause you to live a holy life . They will say what your flesh wants to hear , not what your spirit needs to hear .
Guarding Against Deception and Idolatry
Speaker 1And and that was alarming I was like , wow , what ? Because I just gotta protect that . And so that's why , like you can't just assume that everyone is of God , because and I'm even listen , I even this is so serious that , if you're listening to this , test the spirit behind Jamis and I , because , like the two of us , just because we're listening to this , test the spirit behind Jameis and I , because , like the two of us , just because we're talking about this , we are not above , like you know , making a mistake or being , you know , like we're not above that , we're not above , um , none of us are above being deceived . And so I just I say , like it is so serious that you test every spirit because you just don't want to fall into that category of being led astray that's so true , this is so good .
Speaker 2I wish we could talk longer . I don't have to hop off me too . Is there anything else that you feel like ?
Speaker 1yes , like , needs to be said yes , two things and I can be very quick about it , but I want you to chime in especially on one of them , because I know it's I , I know you're gonna have something to say at least about one of them . Yeah , so these two things I think are extremely important to touch on . We don't have to go into too much detail I don't think it'll be necessary because it'll narrow down to the point but one of them is oneness , and it's the belief that everything is one and connected . And so I mean , if you think about , there's so many groups , church groups and even groups outside of the church in the secular world , that push for unity , and I think unity is a very necessary and beautiful thing and we absolutely need unity in the body of christ . But when it comes to , like you know , the world and the world system pushing for unity , and then we have , you know , christians pushing um , one of the things is that , um , I think sometimes christians will adopt the idea of unity as if it were the gospel itself , and so , like , being one and being in unity can easily become an idol and um , you know what goes along with that is like oh , keep the peace , you know , keep the peace , keep the peace , never call out people's beliefs , never call people out when they're wrong .
Speaker 1Um , just keep the peace , the immunity , and like that's a dangerous thing , because if the you know the Bible says that we are to righteously judge , well , how can you righteously judge someone if it will be seen as disunity ? Right , how can you call out a wrong teaching or a wrong doctrine if it will be seen as disunity ? How can you separate from people that are leading you astray or separate from people that are not healthy for you , if it will be seen as disunity ? And so I think the concept of unity is obviously very important in the body of Christ , but I think it can also be taken out of context and you know it kind of pushes like you don't want to be intolerant or you don't want to be in disunity , but we're never commanded to be doormat to false teaching , to false treatment , you know , like bad being treated badly or terrible theology , like we're never supposed to stand for those things .
Speaker 1And so if if you do stand for those things , so if you do stand for those things , then you could very easily be seen as causing disunity , and so you know we shouldn't allow harmful teaching in the church just to keep the peace , like when you do that , like literal souls are at stake , and so I think that it was important to mention . You know , unity is very important , just like having faith in the scriptures and declaring the scriptures and declaring health and healing and you know the actual word of God over our situation . That is important . It can easily be taken out of context and it can easily be twisted and become idolatry , and so I just wanted to mention that because I know that that's something a lot of church communities and even people outside of church are pushing for unity , and you know I mean the bible even says like not to be united with evil right , oh yeah , psalm one .
Speaker 2Blessed are those who don't even walk in the council of the wicked , oh , like it's right there , it's very clear , and I so I wanted to mention
Dangers of Mysticism and Idolatry
Speaker 2that .
Speaker 1And then the other thing I wanted to mention , uh , is mysticism . And mysticism is seeking a divine , spiritual experience and discovering a hidden meaning about god or the universe . And I wanted to mention this because it's dangerous , specifically because , obviously , like , we all want to have deep encounters with the Holy Spirit and deep encounters with God , but did you know that you actually find that in the word ? Like , you will have those deep encounters with the Holy Spirit in the secret place , in the place of prayer , and you don't have to go searching , you know , and striving to have these moments , because you know the Holy Spirit actually desires to encounter you in deep , intimate ways . And I think that the concept of mysticism is , it's almost like thriving .
Speaker 2It is and , if I can just be blunt to say it like it is , it's new age . It is absolutely Like if what we're seeking for is deeper encounter with the Lord , okay , that's what I want too . I want that deeper encounter with the Lord . But I will say that , yeah , a lot of the language of mysticism and the practice is works , it is striving , and we don't have to do that . We just don't have to do that . And , oh man , I just feel like we could just talk forever . We should write a book , girl .
Speaker 1No , I know .
Speaker 2There's so much about like new age . There's so much about that subject that needs to be explored , because A people don't even know what it is . They're practicing it . It sounds cool , it sounds beautiful , it is . It sounds like light , but it's it's not it's not , it's not truth . It's not truth . And that's really the question is this truth ?
Speaker 1yeah , and the thing is is that people who are practicing mysticism , they're looking to get hidden knowledge and to understand things about God that other people have not had the revelation of , and I think that that's even a dangerous place to be , because the word of God is clear , that his word is all we need .
Speaker 1And are you going to have experiences with him outside of the word of God ? Yeah , of course , in the place of prayer . But you know , I think a lot of times mysticism is seen in like hyper charismatic circles , and it can be seen in other circles as well , but I think hyper charismatic is a big one , um , and not that charismatic is bad . I think charismatic is great , but obviously , like , just like we were saying with , everything can be taken out of context , everything can be twisted , everything can be taken way further than it needs to be . And you know , I think , with mysticism , the reason it's enticing to people who desire to have those deeper spiritual encounters with god , because there's a lust for the supernatural and that that that is what leads people astray and it's demonic yeah , yeah , red flags .
Speaker 2We can't want the , we can't want his hands more than we want him . We can't want to see . Uh , I love , I love the fire of god , first of all . I love the fire of god . I love to see the miracle signs and wonders . I love it . But I , we cannot want that more than we want him . And when you get that backwards , when wanting the , when wanting that becomes an idol , that's when you've crossed over and that's when you're in the danger zone .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah you know well , I mean mysticism , you know , desiring that hidden knowledge is very similar to like narcissism and we won't get into that . But I mean that is dangerous too . So , um , yeah , I think overall , if you speak his face , if you seek his word more than anything and you truly , wholeheartedly desire to please the Lord and desire to stay on the straight and narrow , you will be okay .
Finding Truth Through Conviction and Prayer
Speaker 1You'll be okay , because your desire is for the Lord , and only the Lord , jesus Christ , and that's how it should be .
Speaker 2Yes , he said seek first the kingdom of God . All these things will be added to you , so we don't have to go seek out an encounter . We don't have to seek , we don't have to seek it . He said seek the kingdom and his righteousness . You put that in right order and his righteousness . You put that in right order and his righteousness . And then you do that . Everything else , everything else falls into place . You got to put it in right order . You can't make an idol out of anything , right ?
Speaker 1god's a god of order . He's a god of order , so he's not going to do things out of order . If you're not seeking his face , if you're not seeking his word , he he's not gonna give you these grand experiences if you don't even want him because those things could destroy you .
Speaker 2Exactly right , he's not gonna give you something that you don't even know how to manage and store it and it could destroy you . You think that you manifested it ? You think , yep , I don't know . You gotta , you gotta humble yourself , just like we started this conversation . Go low , go , low go low and he will .
Speaker 1He will exalt you yeah , go low and he will meet you right in that place and actually , when you're seeking his faith and you're seeking his word , and your whole , entire heart is for the Lord , he will actually give you those intimate , deep , revelatory encounters with him , because you're seeking him first . That is where you will encounter those intimate moments yeah , because he wants those intimate moments too .
Speaker 2He loves you deeply . He wants those intimate moments . They have to come in the right way , exactly , you know . Um . So anyways , this has been lovely . I wish we kept going . Would you ? I know you have have it in you , so I'm going to ask you would you release a prayer over the listener and whatever way the Lord is leading you . I can just . I know he's deposited something in you and I want you to release that .
Speaker 1Yes , of course .
Speaker 1Ok , Lord , god , I pray for those who are listening . I pray for the person who has unintentionally been deceived by any of the things that we've mentioned , whether it's the manifestation , the law of attraction , unity in the wrong context , mysticism speaking to spirit , wrong spirit , or whatever it may be , and even those things that we hadn't named . But right now , they have a burning in their heart , like they know that they've been participating in something that is not of god , or maybe they've been reading books that that is not of God , or maybe they've been reading books that they know are not of God , or listening to teachings or things that they just they have that feeling in their spirit , even right now , as we're praying , that they say wow , I don't think that's of God , I think I need to let that go . Lord , I pray for that person listening . I pray , holy Spirit , that you would give them an understanding of the things that we've spoken about tonight and give them a deep yearning for your truth , for the only truth , which is the truth of Jesus Christ and your word . God , I pray that you would break down and dismantle the lies that they have believed , to break down and dismantle the demonic doctrines that have led them the wrong way . And , god , I also pray that you would reveal to them that you are a forgiving God , that if they have been led astray , if they have believed things that are not of you or contrary to the word that you are a forgiving God , you're merciful and you are willing to receive them , you are willing to wash away the things that have attempted to lead them astray . And , lord , god , I pray that you would just welcome them with open arms , like a big daddy God hug . And I pray , lord , that those who are listening would run into your arms , would jump up into your lap and would receive the comfort that you offer , would receive the forgiveness and the grace that you so freely offer .
Speaker 1And , lord God , I even pray for those who maybe they haven't participated in these things , but they have a fear of being led astray , a fear of being led astray by leaders or led astray by different kinds of teachings , or whatever the case may be . Lord , I pray for those who are fearful of being led astray and I pray that you calm the fear that's in their hearts , calm the fear that's in their mind . Actually , we uproot that fear in Jesus' name and I pray that you would replace it with fear for the Lord , the deep honor for you , lord , and that you would reassure them that you have your hand upon their life , that you're a good , good , good father , and you can't be anything but good . I pray that you would realign the spirit of the person listening and bring them into a deeper understanding of your word and stir a desire in every single one of us to read your word more , and more and more , until we just can't get enough of it . I thank you , holy Spirit , for shedding light on these topics , and I pray , lord , that the understanding of these things would set people free .
Speaker 1Lord , because we know that we can receive deliverance even through knowledge . When we receive knowledge of your word and knowledge of your ways , that alone can set us free , and so I pray that freedom would come to those listening in any way that they need it , and I thank you in advance for that . God , you're such a good father . Continue to reveal yourself to each of us , continue to pour out your spirit on each of us and continue to stir a desire to know you better , to know your word better . I thank you , god , that we don't need all these extra things , because we have you , and I just praise you , lord . I praise you , god , that we don't need all these extra things because we have you , and I just praise you , lord . I praise you , thank you for your Holy Spirit , which is our teacher .
Speaker 2In Jesus' name , amen , amen , amen , and I will end with this Is that a feeling to the listener ? That feeling is conviction . It is not condemnation . Come on , that's true . That feeling is , it's conviction from the holy spirit . My conviction is is love good , not condemned ? Just return because he's already . He's already here , yeah , you know so . Thank you so much , jannie . This was so good , thank you we gotta do this more yeah , we do .
Speaker 2This was really good , and I have a strange feeling that we've been doing this for just a little strange feeling , yeah , strange feelings that we'd be doing this for Just a little strange feeling , yeah , oh man , time flies . That's a wrap for this episode . As always , we thank you to the listener . We thank you so much for tuning in and we just pray that this edifies you in some way . If you want to connect with Dani , all that information will be in the show notes of this episode . If you want to connect with me , go to my Instagram Action Meets LaShelle . That's the best way . That's where I hang out on social media . Or you can just go to the website at newcreationpodcastcom . I pray the Lord blesses you and keeps you until we meet again .
